FTSU

Fuck their shit up

As anyone not recently under a rock is aware, Dr. Greg Canning resigned his teaching position at James Cook University in protest of that university’s failure to investigate the activities of gender ideologue and pro-violence bigot, Betty McLellan. McLellan also has a teaching position with JCU, exposing her virulent ideas to many impressionable youth.

Dr. Canning’s complaints to the school’s administration were initially ignored, till he pressed the issue and was finally told (in so many words) that James Cook University is unconcerned with bigotry and sexually targeted violence, as long as it is only happening to men, male children and male fetuses.

Predictably, the media in Australia turned the story of his resignation over to the usual suspects, who promptly began to paint Dr. Canning as a misogynist who can’t handle a woman with an opinion. That the woman’s opinion in question happened to involve demonizing half the human race and supporting calls for mass violence doesn’t appear to matter.

I won’t bother with a point by point refutation of Tory Shepherd’s latest round of propaganda journalism. I have already done that here, and so has JtO, here. Our own Uncle Bern weighed in on it here.

The more important matter here is the continued attempts to create a red herring out of AVfM, intended for sale to the general public.  As John pointed out in his article, Shepherd (or her editors) gave a subheading to her piece which read:

Hate site’s motto is ‘F***king their s**t up

Misuse of the transitive verb aside, and ignoring the fact that even when properly quoted it is not the site’s motto (which is “Take the Red Pill”), the use of that phrase in the sub-header was calculated to make AVfM appear to be a hate site.  It is intended to make us look as though we have violent leanings; that we are a threat to the personal security of feminists, and indeed to women in general.

Their hope is that this puts us on the defensive and that it will send a convincing message to the public at large that we, and of course by association Dr. Canning, are dangerous.

On a slow day it might be fun to re-explain all this for the benefit of those who are entering this forum for the first time because of the lies told by Tory Shepherd, but I have a better idea.  I have a personal, deeply personal message for her and for two others of her ilk associated with this “story.”

Tory Shepherd, I am here to fuck your shit up.

Betty McLellan, I am here to fuck your shit up.

Michael Flood, I am here to fuck your shit up.

And in case any of the three of you are as stupid as you sound, I mean it literally. I want your shit fucked up in a permanent and irreversible way. I want the harsh, unforgiving light of truth to shine on you and other hateful swine that spread bigotry and violence under the guise of advancing the cause of women. I want the public to see (which they can HERE) the hateful, pro-violence cult of monsters Betty McLellan supports at Radfem.com.

I want the public to see (which they can, HERE) the disgraceful nature of Tory Shepherd’s dishonest, yellow propagandizing, which she pawns off as journalism in order to protect advocates of violence and hatred.

I want the public to see (which they can, HERE) the outrageously deceptive and dishonest tactics of Michael Flood, who,  after taking on the false identity an estranged father, gained access to the organization Fathers4Equality and sent abusive emails to Australian MP’s in their name.  As is summarized on their website:

 

He then proceeded to misuse these facilities and send out offensive letters in the name of Fathers4Equality to every member of the Australian federal parliament, in an effort to discredit and undermine our efforts and reputation.

Do I want to fuck these peoples shit up? Oh yes, I certainly do. And it has already begun to happen. Just a very few years ago the men’s movement was sequestered away from even having a strong presence on the internet. We were a ragtag group of social renegades that mainly talked amongst ourselves because the rest of the world was caught headlong in a sweeping tide of feminist agitprop.

Fast forward a really short bit of time and we just witnessed a university professor, an esteemed medical doctor, who resigned his position in protest of what anyone can learn by clicking through the links provided in this article. We are also seeing a rapidly growing effort to attempt to shut us up, including the efforts of the SPLC, which you can read about here.

They are destined to fail.

This, and by that I mean the truth, is fucking their shit up. It is happening in the best possible way and all their powerless wailing and lies about FTSU meaning violence won’t stop it.

The growth of this movement depends, wholly and completely, on our ideas being exposed to rational people who value fairness and justice. We are now getting that exposure, and it is scaring the living shit out of the likes of McLellan, Shepherd and Flood.

That fear looks damned good on them.

For those men’s advocates who are always encouraging us to tiptoe around on eggshells because of what people may make of our ideas, or how they will twist our words, this should be a lesson to you.

Nowhere is there a more upstanding, decent and productive member of the human community than Greg Canning. I have never read a word of his that was not thoughtful, intellectually diligent and honest. He resigned a prestigious post, making a significant personal sacrifice in order to call attention to a very serious problem at James Cook University and academe in general. He did so with spotless decorum, befitting a human being of his caliber.

His reward was to be called a woman hater and a whiner, and of course to have all of his concerns totally brushed aside…for the time being. If they didn’t lift and twist something from AVfM to use against him, they would have lifted and twisted elsewhere. It’s what they do.

Folks, it does not matter much whether we push the envelope to the edge or whether we take painstaking care to reach the ridiculously unreachable goal of speaking hard truths while offending no one. We are dealing with liars and bigots. They have no sense of honor or decency.  When I call Michael Flood a sociopathic pig, it is not an adolescent ad hominem used in the absence of substance, but an unavoidable conclusion rooted in the reality of his conduct as a human being. All you have to do is read about him.

We are not compelled to play nice with these hateful ideologues any more than we would feel compelled to politely discuss race relations with the Ku Klux Klan, or debate reproductive rights with people who bomb abortion clinics.

Our one and only job is to fuck their shit up; to make them suffer the pain of truth, and to keep doing it till they have no place to hide.

We are making progress. We see it in Radfem’s ouster from Conway Hall. We see it in the emergence of a never before seen scrutiny of VAWA and most importantly in the fact that men are starting to come out of the closet as human beings, taking a public stand against the hatred that has come to be a social norm.

The only thing we can do wrong at this point is change.  If anything, we will benefit from becoming even more intense; more unyielding.

All we have to do is fuck their shit up, then wake up tomorrow and do it again. They are powerless to stop it.

About Paul Elam

Paul Elam is the founder and publisher of A Voice for Men, the founder of A Voice for Men Radio, and appears weekly on AVFM Intelligence Report, Going Mental with Dr. Tara Palmatier and monthly on MANstream Media with Warren Farrell and Tom Golden.

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  • JFinn

    Preach!

  • TheUnknown

    Dr. Canning, it is a real shame you felt the need to resign over this. Academic and social privilege is where these extreme feminist ideologues are coming from, and academic and social privilege is exactly what we need to fight them. People will listen to you if you’re a professor. But a site like this, even if you expose with wonderful evidence these scams and messages of hate, the thick-skulled media can just dismiss it all as a “hate site” without ever reading it. Academics, journalism, if we can get just a little more of these things on our side we will have such a powerful message.

    • Paul Elam

      Sorry, but I have to tell you that you are living in a dream to think that way at all.

      • TheUnknown

        Why don’t you explain? Tell me what his resignation will accomplish when the media can just write him off as a misogynist.

        • http://menzmagazine.blogspot.com/ Factory

          The media has been anti male for decades, it’s been hostile to the Mens Movement for years, and in fact the very recent development of the media allowing MRM viewpoints to be published only happened because they HAD NO CHOICE.

          The media is not, wasn’t, and will never be our ‘friend’. If anything, they serve as little more than a mouthpiece for entrenched interests, reading off Press Releases and calling it Investigative Journalism.

        • Roger O Thornhill

          Posters can be costly to print, but how much did that wallpaper cost?

          That is awesome!!!

      • http://www.shrink4men.com/ Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

        FTSU is a rallying cry.

        In my mind, FTSU = I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore! (Network – 1976)

        I find it odd that this seems to have gone completely over the heads of most members of the media, especially the journalists.

        • Kimski

          Is there a mental disease that fits the description of Predictable Avoidance of the Obvious??
          ;)

        • Skeptic

          Yes it’s an obvious sign that far too many mainstream media journos drink the feminist coolaide, when you spoon feed them a sensationalist phrase lie “Fuck their shit up” and so many won’t run with it.

        • Raven01

          Journalists these days are barely able to spell correctly and, very quickly disabused of an notion of integrity in journalism by their employers demands.
          It makes the now rare real journalist very valuable.
          Fortunately with technology, even without formal journalism education people with integrity bring home the messages that need to be spread.

        • Transhuman

          Tory Shepherd is not a real journalist, she is an apologist for violent women and misandry. Her two weak-tea “MRA” articles in the Punch were not even thinly concealed hate articles in which she painted all MRA’s as extremists. She uses dog-whistling articles to get her comment count high but she offers no insight. She is a glorified blogger, nothing more.

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/ KARMA MRA MGTOW

        Massive FTSU.NET freeway banner will be going up in the next few weeks…

        • Jay

          You’re a champion. Applaud everyone who is getting the message out there that men and boys are human beings too!

        • Paul Elam

          :)

    • kiwihelen

      The main problem is by NOT resigning Greg Canning would have been seen as condoning the inaction of JCU over what is a clear breach of their academic code by Betty McLellan
      First rule of activism is never start on something you aren’t prepared to see through to it’s logical conclusion. By pointing out her behavior he had to be prepared to resign. He is fortunate from the perspective that his primary income remains unaffected by this action, although I suspect that there is a degree of personal loss in losing contact with undergrad students, which is hard to quantify in terms of the satisfaction it brings.
      How do we expose misandry? If I said that there are parallels with some of the early sufferagettes, I am taking a bit of a risk, but I think I’ve got a point (and as the great-granddaughter of a politically active suffragette, some responsibility to speak up against the distortion of her vision of true equality between the sexes)
      The radical fringe of that movement realised that any publicity would result in their movement being a topic of discussion, and there was a fair chance that open minded individuals would think about the arguments and start supporting their cause.
      We are still a fringe movement, so we need to get notice…
      I would hazard a guess that each time some ‘bad press’ hits, the traffic to this site spikes. I don’t know what % of those coming, read, digest and understand. From that an even smaller % will become activist. But if even 10 men (or zeta women) emerge as active in some way from this latest spotlighting of AVfM thats 10 more.
      As an aside, Aimee (Gt Grandmother) was a census abstainer…we can track her in academic and other sources from the late 1880s in Edinburgh, but not in the census, despite her husband and son being there – and she still abstained in the 1911 census. Would men out there be prepared to make a statement like that in the next census, if they feel that they are utilities not humans to be counted?

      • TheUnknown

        Thank you, kiwihelen, for responding to what I said. I’ve heard “no publicity is bad publicity” before and to an extent you’re right. This is a movement from which most people have not read a word, and it certainly helps that the first Google result for Greg Canning is his profile on this very site.

        There probably was more to the situation than meets the eye (as Turbo points out below). He probably was experiencing backlash or discrimination for his views. I’m just sick of seeing the MRAs relegated to the back alleys while the media and Wikipedia and everyone says “look at my list of decorated feminist academics.”

        • kiwihelen

          Both the media and Wikipedia are pretty much ‘soaking in it’ when it comes to blue koolaid, if you ever want to see how much of a bunfight is going on in the MRA page of Wiki, look at the edits…lots of Feminazi contributors regularly re-edit the page to meet their agenda.
          As for the mainstream media, they know lots of women are their primary audience, so promoting ‘women as victim’ stories allows them to sell column inches. I had a brief glance at the stack of mags in my Drs waiting room the other day (before I ignored the dont use your mobile and read S4M) and they all headlined the victim agenda.
          There is a women’s mag in the UK called psychologies, that I usually do read in which about 1/2 the articles do promote activities and thinking that will develop agency in their readership if acted on, and I do wonder if one of our zeta contributors would be accepted for publication there.
          I guess I am acculturated to the long view in change: my faith community was prominent in the abolition of slavery movement and it took many people working for their lifetimes to get that shift accepted as mainstream. The acknowledgement of the legitimacy of the Maori claims under the Treaty of Waitangi for reparation based on persecution by colonial forces took several generations. Oaks take 100s of years to mature.
          Even in the 2 years as part of the S4M community, I’ve seen positive changes in the public understanding of MRA.
          Ideally we capitalise on the ‘bad news stories’ by working to get the good news out into the wider sphere. But we need activists prepared to act to do this

      • Tawil

        Love that you referred to “Zeta Women”…. that phrase deserves to catch on…. and you are one of them.

        • kiwihelen

          Tawil, I’m like a kid with a new toy when it comes to the term ‘zeta femininity’ – I keep going round going ‘Look, that’s zeta, so is that, oops not that.’
          My Mum is currently digging dinosaur bones in the Aussie outback (so zeta – she is 76, and does all kinds of self defining and cool things), and is out of Skype contact. I’m dying for the chance to explain zeta femininity to her. She ‘got’ MRA totally after a couple of long chats and a few of her usual searching questions, but expressed a concern that yet again I had marginalised my feminine identity in my search for a philosophy I could live up to. She will be equally challenging and thought provoking on zeta femininity and will help me work out some of the finer points in my head to formulate coherent ways of sharing this idea more widely.
          I think I can thank my Dad for his unconditional belief in my abilities despite some of the challenges I faced in the education system and my Mum for demanding intellectual rigour and personal accountability from her children regardless of gender. Those things and their love made me a zeta.

    • HurleyHacker

      What planet did you just step off of?

    • Turbo

      I think this point has also been made in a previous article, and on the face of it has some merit.
      But really only Dr Canning knows the real situation that he faced at the University, and what he was up against. It may well be that he believed if he continued to advocate for the rights of men and boys, which he clearly is intending to do, that he would have eventually been relieved of his post anyway. So he chose his own exit. That is just me pontificating.
      What he has done is bring in a lot of MSM coverage to our cause, perhaps more than just complaining to the faculty would have done.
      In any case, I think we need to respect Dr Canning’s decision and give him full support for the great work he is doing.

      • Turbo

        And I might add, applaud him for the sacrifice of an important part of his professional career, that he has made for the cause.

  • Truyardy

    I absolutely LOVE this website Man. This site does so much for the men’s movement. I cannot tell you how many feminists and white knights I have hammered in debates by simply coming to this site and copy and pasting your materials.

    Let’s fuck their shit up indeed.

  • Kimski

    Absolutely effing AWESOME!!

    That the way to do it!
    Being nice and polite has never accomplished a single damned thing with these bigoted monsters, and the consquence is the continued suffering of men and boys around the world.

    Stay the course and FTSU.
    You don’t fix a thing that is working, and this is working beyond my wildest expectations.

  • Skeptic

    Unknown,
    Do you seriously think that after resigning Dr Canning will simply go whimpering off into the Ozzy desert and die quietly so feminists can continue spewing misandric bile in Universities and elsewhere?
    Seriously?

    Do you think the main stream media isn’t day by day, hour by hour, blog by blog, pixel by pixel, smartphone by smartphone being rapidly supplanted by the internet?
    Seriously?

    Do you think anything can stop the spread of free thought and the Men’s Rights Movement given today’s push button access to information, ideas and images?
    Seriously?

    Do you think you could drop the negativity and get more solution focused instead?

    Seriously………fuck their shit up.

  • externalangst

    The comments section of Shepard’s post reveals an impressive advance for the MRM from past years. From the non-existence of anything critical of feminism in the MSM to active challenges to this misandric doctrine. Feminists hate debate. They just want people to believe whatever they say or feel.

    The next years and decades are not going to be happy ones for feminists were their hate-mongering, self-aggrandizing nonsense will crumble under the weight of reality and justice. The reactionary forces of feminism will not play fairly and it will be a bumpy for MRAs. There will be highs and lows. Just remember:

    Life is mostly froth and bubble,
    Two things stand like stone,
    Kindness in another’s trouble,
    Courage in your own.
    Adam Lindsay Gordon

  • TPH

    The media will bow and scape to their masters, the almighty $$. When they are forced by events to look at the MRM and the Mens Movement, they will only do so when it either can gain them $$, or more importantly LOSE $$ from advertisers. Look at what a bunch of pissed off Dads did to Kimberly-Clarke and Huggies Diapers.

    It’s simple, really, FTSU by not buying products from companies that are openly misandrist, and let them know why you won’t be buying their products. 100 hundred men not buying their products is no concern to them. 10,000 men not buying their products elicits a touch of concern and a new marketing strategy. 100,000 men boycotting their products causes concern to senior management at these companies. 1,000,000 men boycotting misandrist companies gets the attention of the board and the shareholders, and the media.

    The liars, bigots, feminazi’s, radical feminists and their white knight supports will only be swayed when the light is turned on them by facts over and over again.

    We cannot compromise our messages, nor accept Trojan Horse peace pacts and “understandings”.

    Feminists seek to undermine our movement by shaming language and tactics via the media, when that fails, they will resort to inane legal challenges. When that fails, they will seek compromise and will supposedly understand our viewpoints.

    At that point we will have them between a hard place and a hard place. Fuck the rock. They have no idea at the amount of fury that will FTSU when they are seeking to find an advantage through their tried and true method of marginalizing messages they don’t like by compromise and “inclusive collaboration”.

    In war, you pick the battles you have to win to win the war. In this war, gentlemen, we cannot even consider an Armistice at this point.

  • Rper1959

    Thanks Paul and JTO , Despite the media coverage , there has been overwhelming support for my stance from comments added to posts on the internet (and may not published presumably “moderated” out) and letters and text’s to the editor locally. Many of my patients openly commend and support me. It is becoming more and more apparent that the radical feminist influence in academe, the government departments, the public service, NGO’s and “social” service providers do not want an open debate based on quality research and logic, they want to maintain the illusions of feminist dogma that women remain oppressed and discriminated against, despite all the evidence against this, they want to invent new oppression and discriminations out of highly selective advocacy research, after all the feminist industrial complex* relies on this to sustain itself, if one could agree equity for women had “largely been achieved” then feminism would be redundant. If anything I am more determined than ever to expose this corruption and bigotry, and to fuck their shit up!

    Next sexist to expose is our commissioner for discrimination against men – Catherine Broderick- coming soon!

    *( a multi billion tax payer funded system supporting the teaching of feminist dogma, it’s conversion to policy, legislation and service delivery, funding jobs for feminists )

    • Rper1959

      OPpS Freudian slip , its Elizabeth Broderick, not Catherine , that was Catherine McKinnon , after a while these feminists all sound the same.

  • Turbo

    Wow, guess who is back in town

  • Kai

    Just because it’s working now doesn’t mean there wont be unintended consequences down the road that will end up fucking your shit up. The fact that you need to keep coming back to justify yourself makes me think there might be a seed of insecurity. A need to justify an increasingly radical perspective on the gender wars.

    I agree that we are dealing with bigots but I think you have this false dichotomy in your mind that you’re either real nice and sensitive or brash and aggressive. I believe in being smart. Thinking about possible long term consequences of my actions and how I choose to confront feminism. It’s poking a hornets nest. While now you’re more an annoyance that they struggle to figure out how to handle, things can get serious fast. They have the backing of world governments on their side who want to keep the status quo. It wont be that hard to get you guys to shut up if it really comes down to it.

    • Paul Elam

      Well, if I wasn’t prepared to have my shit fucked up, I would not call myself an MRA. At least not with a straight face.

      Being “smart” is not always the best way to be effective.

      As to the “false dichotomy” you’re off base. I don’t see things near as rigidly as you imagine.

      • Kai

        You sure act like you do. Also, being smart is synonymous with being effective. But I don’t mean to persuade you from your current path. I’m very interested in seeing how this evolves. I can learn a lot from this experiment.

        • Paul Elam

          If you were smarter, it might have registered to you that I put “smart” in quotation marks. If you were smarter still, you would know what doing that implies.

          Apparently, you’re not. You demonstrate that lack of intelligence even further by making sweeping inferences about both my personality and state of mind based on your own projected bullshit.

          We could argue this shit all day, but rather than that I will simply offer you what has already been offered. If you have something better to offer, then shut the fuck up and start doing it. I will be happy to support you, and without the armchair quarterbacking as long as you are actually getting anything done.

          In the meantime, piss off. I’ve better things to do than to debate with you about what you imagine is happening in my head. I have my head right here, and unlike yours, it is not up my ass.

          • Kai

            No thank you. I enjoy watching you get pissy from a distance over the smallest slight. Some character. I also find your work both good because it has deconstructed a lot of our modern zeitgeist, which has saved myself a lot of work. But it’s also like watching an impending train wreck because you’re so insistent on doing business with piss and vinegar and expecting something good to come out of it. I’m at the seat of my pants waiting to see how that works out long term.

          • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

            Oh my.

            That is funny.

    • Turbo

      If you have a better plan Kai, go for it and the best of luck. I mean that.

      But seriously, do you think that Paul, JTO and the rest of the team at AVfM would put their ass on the line like they do here without considering that there may well be some backlash. If so, I think you underestimate them.

      As for “makes me think there might be a seed of insecurity”

      I don’t see that at all.

    • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

      Then it is one’s duty as an MRA to poke the bloody nest then! We should bow before no one. I, for one, do not want to be one of those cowering activists that Manwomanmyth spoke of in the last radio show.
      This Saturday, the Vancouver MRA group is to meet, publicly, right in the center of the hive – nay, in the Queen Bee’s bedroom – in the feminist nucleus that is the Commercial Drive in East Vancouver. We are taking the fight right to them. You see, we are a de facto human rights organization. The average feminist is nothing but a bigoted, highly charged electron of hatred.
      Yes, I might get outed. I will take that risk. I will take it on as a man, for my own psycho-sexual and political integrity and, as a father: for my beautiful young boys whose future is cast through a glass darkly precisely because of this unrelenting gender hatred. I am sick and tired of being afraid.

    • Skeptic

      Kai,
      I reckon if the swat team response was on the cards it would have been delivered by now.
      As for false dischotomies, I think you’re the one setting up one that is a straw man as you mention “you have this false dichotomy in your mind that you’re either real nice and sensitive or brash and aggressive. I
      believe in being smart. ”

      Contrary to your thinking I believe it’s possible to be brash, aggressive AND smart at the same time. The two aren’t mutually exclusive ways of being after all.
      Your inference that your way, which isn’t so brash and aggressive is smart is patronizing.
      I think we live in interesting times. As feminism is increasingly exposed for the Emperor with no clothes’ that it is; As feminists and their mangina consorts react ridiculously with attempts to impugn the MRM with misandric slander perhaps it’s easy to imagine the jackboots of armed white knights coming to save the collective ‘damsel in distress’ and crushing down on us MRA. But that’s all it is – imagination.
      Facts -
      Did aVfM radio get stormed by any feminist inspired SWAT team? No.
      Did any FBI (Feminist Bloody Idiots) sniper fire a rain of bullets down on Paul in the shopping mall recently? No.
      Did JtO recieve any parcel bomb mail recently? No.
      And yet for years these guys have been really OUT THERE with an MRA message.
      Hell, as I see the pendulum swing back I’m felling so emboldened I’m just trying to get my head around how to with most impact stop using the name Skeptic and come out with my real name in a way that will Fuck up their shit big time.

      • andybob

        Contrary to your thinking I believe it’s possible to be brash, aggressive AND smart at the same time. The two aren’t mutually exclusive ways of being after all.

        Mr Skeptic

        Exactly. Smart and aggressive are not mutually exclusive traits. Think about it. Who is more aggressive than Dr Elam? Yet, his strategy has always been smart.

        Tory Shepherd and Clementine Ford are two of the best-known journalists in Australia and both of them have made numerous embarrassingly amateurish attempts to undermine the MRM. Their stock-in-trade, lies and shaming language, may sound sophisticated in their elitist circles, but in the court of public opinion, they just sound dumb – and significant numbers of people are begining to notice.

        In the time since I began arguing with feminists, I have noticed that most of them melt into puddles of hysterical indignation at the first sign of real opposition (and I have crossed swords with some very well-credentialed feminists). Most of them are entirely unskilled in defending the worst excesses of their ideology. How do you defend a pile of dog shit anyway?

        We need to be relentless before they figure out a strategy that works, because the one they have now (send in the clowns – hello Tory) is a massive fail. So let’s keep FTSU. It sends a message that we do not intend to play by their rules. We make our own rules and we can back them up with truth and intelligence.

        • Kimski

          *I have noticed that most of them melt into puddles of hysterical indignation at the first sign of real opposition*

          I had a very disturbing experience with a hardcore feminist only a year ago: She threatened me with suicide i.e. slashing her wrists, if I kept on throwing facts at her, everytime we met.
          This was a 45 y/o woman, who has spend years in a university, getting a degree in the usual gender crap from a feminists perspective, and who in no way were unfamiliar with debating any topic.

          A true feminist academic in a discussion with a blue collar man over gender issues, and the outcome was a suicide threat.

          I am still wondering how the hell this woman ever got a degree, what she was taught, and how she later got to work in a gender studies program in an eastern goverment.

          I thank the authors on this site for having my facts straight, ’cause everytime we had a discussion, she went straight home and checked everything that I had said.

          Judging from her response, I’d say she didn’t find anything to put a finger on, and I’m still sure that caused her to wonder what the hell she had been taught, for all those wasted years of indoctrination.

          • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

            Nothing like the value of a good education, eh?

          • OneHundredPercentCotton

            Her degree was HANDED to her…as expected.

          • Kimski

            @limeywestlake & OHPC:

            Right on both accounts, guys!
            You win a bundle of firewood, a box of matches, and the right to burn a witch.
            Congrats.
            :D

    • Alan Vaughn

      They have the backing of world governments on their side who want to keep the status quo. It wont be that hard to get you guys to shut up if it really comes down to it.

      Do you honestly think Paul wouldn’t know that?

      Your comment would be closer to the truth if it were something more like:
      “The feminist movement controls and directs world governments, demanding them to keep the status quo and the governments dare not dissent or even argue with them, because they like most of society are (needlessly) afraid of them. It wont be that hard to get you guys to shut up if it really comes down to it”.

      Sure they can and they will, but they’re not going to do anywhere near as easily as they expect to, nor will we stay ‘shut up’ for very long – maybe a day or two, while we regroup.
      And the more they try to shut us up, the more we will resist and each time they shut us up: more and more people out there are going to hear about it and little by little: the truth will emerge…

      We just won’t go away, not EVER!

    • Shrek6

      What the Eff!
      How can you live with that kind of attitude Kai?

      “Thinking about possible long term consequences of my actions and how I choose to confront feminism. It’s poking a hornets nest.”

      To hell with your ‘scaredy cat’ attitude. I say let’s smack the bloody hornets nest with a damn big stick, then spray the little bastards with insecticide as they all fly out.

      I am sick and tired of hearing so-called MRA’s who say don’t do this or don’t do that, because you will end up being attacked by all these feminists who have the backing of the whole bloody universe.
      That is what the other once prominent MRA organisations did here in Aus just a few years ago. If you ever espoused fighting these damn bitches head-on, you were vilified by the very men in that movement, who should have been standing alongside of you. I have often been referred to as a woman hater in these men’s groups here in Australia, simply because I hold the majority of women in this country as being implicitly guilty of furthering the cause of ‘Feminazism’.

      I now have nothing to do with any MRA group in Australia, because they are filled to overflowing with Blue Pillers!

      I saw a wonderful cartoon drawing many years ago that depicts the correct attitude for all MRAs’.
      This cartoon showed a mouse about to be grabbed by the huge talons of an approaching Owl, standing tall in complete defiance, giving the Owl the Bird/two finger salute.

      It’s when they say you will suffer if you go up against the establishment, that this is precisely when we should all stand up and fight like it’s our last fight!!

      Don’t be a coward. Where is the valour and honour of men today?

      • Tawil

        I dig your attitude, Shrek. although I hate the tools of chivalry being used to hurt men and pamper women, I applaud the chivalrous qualities of valour and honour being deployed against our enemies: the feminists. Fighting feminists is the one remaining area where I’m happy to ‘Man Up’.

        • Shrek6

          Thanks Tarwil. That is precisely what I meant by my comments. Men, and I mean “Real Men”, need to ‘man up’ and be prepared to fight the enemy that threaten us today. And at the moment our one common enemy is feminism.

          I would like to see men everywhere get pissed off, have marches on parliament houses, demanding change, or there will be an uprising. Let’s smash this bullshit and send it back into the abyss from whence it came!

    • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      We’re not buying it,Kai so go tell your feminist sisters it didn’t work.

  • http://www.lastlegionary.com Andy Man

    Thank you to Greg for brining Betty McLellan to my attention, but more importantly, for putting his neck on the line in order to expose her to the wider world.

    Excellent article.

  • ActaNonVerba

    I like a mix myself, MRA’s with different approaches and styles. I do agree, generally, with the idea of not changing our style out of fear. Our culture, unfortunately, currently enforces a code that feminine traits = good and acceptable and masculine traits = pathological and dangerous. This includes arguments and debates.

    Feminine (not female…see “Piers Morgan”) style of argument includes beating around the bush, being catty, indirect name calling, etc.. Masculine (not male….see “GirlWritesWhat”) style argument includes getting to the point, direct name calling, confronting matters (not physically). *Please note I said “INCLUDES”…in other words, not all-encompassing. There are many others feminine/masculine argument styles (e.g. feelings–>feminine, logic–>masculine).

    I guess there’s not real point of what I’m saying here other than saying being afraid to act like men = bad, showing solidarity and accepting different sorts of men with different styles = good.

    When arguments stir emotion, most men prefer

  • http://fathersunionaustralia.com/wp/ quolls

    Send some words to Fem Central

    Vice-Chancellor’s Office
    James Cook University
    Townsville Qld 4811

    Vice-Chancellor and President

    Professor Sandra Harding
    Phone: (+61) 7 4781 4165
    Email: vc@jcu.edu.au

    Executive Officer

    Mrs. Stephanie Hunter
    Phone: (+61) 7 4781 4207
    Email: Stephanie.Hunter@jcu.edu.au

    Executive Assistant to the Vice-Chancellor

    Ms. Debbi Taylor
    Phone: (+61) 7 4781 4165
    Email: Debbi.Taylor@jcu.edu.au

    Executive Support Officer (Acting until January 2013)

    Miss. Julia Nielsen
    Phone: (+61) 7 4781 6259
    Email:Julia.Nielsen1@jcu.edu.au

    Executive Support Officer (Events and Protocol) (Acting until July 2012)

    Miss. Elizabeth Gilson
    Phone: (+61) 7 4781 6847
    Email: Elizabeth.Gilson1@jcu.edu.au

    http://www.jcu.edu.au/vc/Contacts/index.htm

  • Gamerp4

    “All we have to do is fuck their shit up, then wake up tomorrow and do it again. They are powerless to stop it.”

    Men’s Prophet Paul has spoken, we need to put their dreams into nightmares, their days into thunderous nights, we need to fuck their shit up SO FAR that never again would a sane human being hear their bigoted and hate filled words. THAT day will soon come, today its was DR Canning tomorrow MORE MEN will rise up against feminists and so called gender ideologue dogma and when that shiny day comes we will have TRUE EQUALITY.

    • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

      I do hope so, Gamer. All my fingers are crossed. We do need to take this into the MRM 2.0 phase, however. We need to meet in the real world.
      The MRA’s I meet are some of the finest individuals I have ever met. Keen intellects one an all.
      I am lucky. I get to eat eggs and bacon with the illustrious JtO every Saturday morning. What a way to start the weekend!

  • AntZ

    Powerful and compelling writing, as always from Elam and JtO.

  • Robert St. Estephe

    Dr. Canning deserves applause for choosing to resign. Let us not wait to deal with the crimes of genocidal ideologues after the fact, as in the Nuremberg Trials. The time to fight back is BEFORE the power of the social engineering lunatics is fully consolidated. We are already at at an advanced stage of tyranny (forced drugging of boys, etc.). As we move forward, college students will demand refunds for being subjected to fraud (fake theories, lies sold for money, fraudulently). The global financial crisis offers the opportunity to undermine the education industry’s rampant fraud and its financial shakedown of its students by demanding the students be indoctrinated with bogus social engineering hate theories. We need to start forcing some of these institutions into bankruptcy.

  • lovingfather

    I haven’t been a part of the MRM Long but am very vocal to most men, young or older about the MRM and what the cause is really about, and direct them to the AVFM site, I am so Proud to be a part of the MRM and everything it represents…thanks Paul, Jto and everyone involved for opening my eyes and making me proud to be a Man…

    • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

      You should be proud to be a man, Loving Father. Despite what the gender ideologues spew, men are very compassionate and fair minded; they have a genius in their ability to create problem solving technologies born of societal concern. They have the logical and rational problem-solving skills that are going to prove very handy going forward. The only problem with men is that they have a gender preference for the female which has made them put the needs of women and girls before those of men and boys – an atavistic trait which was once helpful. Now, not so.
      I love men. They fucking rock.

      • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

        One thing we need to do is start complimenting each other more. We need to express a ‘working’ loving compassion for each other. At the same time, we need to drop all those tired qualifiers. I hear all them all time. Actually, a colleague fired one at me, just five minutes ago. You know the ones:
        “I didn’t mean that in a ‘gay way;’”
        “I don’t want to sound queer or anything;”
        “Really, I am not being homo-erotic here…”
        Really, guys – drop it. Who gives a shit? If you are gay, be gay. If you are not, great. I went at a few guys once, in my 20′s, just to see what it was like. Found out it was not my bag. No big deal.
        Guys, touch each other if you have to. Do whatever you need to get over it.
        If we are not 100% there for each other, we will lose this war.

        • kiwihelen

          I’m smiling at a memory your post evoked. My beloved is small, slight and shy. He spent most of his time at school and early uni being accused of being queer or being hit on by gay men. Yet he is one of the most masculine and straight men I know.
          When I went with him to his home town we came across a former classmate of his who has built up a successful business and lives happily and openly with his civil union partner in what is still a homophobic place. Beloved and he were chatting away and as they parted he gave the bloke a big hug and complemented him on just how well he had aged compared to my darling’s badger’s arse coloured beard (white/grey and black streaks). Men who feel good about themselves can express love and affection for each other openly…and we need more of that!

          • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

            Yes we do, Helen.

    • Paul Elam

      Proud to have you here, brother. Thank you for the kind words, but thank you especially for speaking up for men!

  • Robert St. Estephe

    Here is a video that might serve to open up the debate on REAL rape vs. feminist fake rape. “Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns.” Who the hell is going to keep the sociopaths at bay once the marxist feminists get their bureaucratic dictatorship (elimination of Bill of Rights) in place? http://www.infowars.com/troops-ordered-to-kill-all-americans-who-do-not-turn-in-guns/

  • lovingfather

    the sad fact is that these pathetic “Feminists” have brothers, nephews, uncles and fathers that helped raise them, all with nothing but Love in their hearts, all I have heard on this site is men doing what is right, with no hatred of women, only seeking true equality…

  • keyster

    It seems when you’re measured and temperate, you’re called a “woman hater” and “whiner”. But when you’re vitriolic and bombastic, (often using the word “fuck”), you’re considered “extremist”, “radical” and “violent”.

    Either way, THEY get to define YOU because they have the MSM at their beck and call.

    They’re desperate to keep the MRM painted into a little corner of obscurity, hoping no one will notice. As soon as there’s the slightest break-through they mount a major offensive of ad hominem invective and pettifogging, hoping to divert and distract from the actual core debate.

    (Again, read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and you’ll understand.)

    The tactics are getting so transparent, that it can’t last much longer. The counter-punch to the biased MSM is the internet.

    • Paul Elam

      “The counter-punch to the biased MSM is the internet.”

      Ayup. And with the respective trends of both the internet and the MSM, it will eventually be a knockout blow.

  • Paul Elam

    @ Kai

    After having nearly burned myself out to a crisp, sacrificing my personal health, sacrificing any chance I will ever have at meaningful employment, weathering attacks from a whole shitload of people with a lot more clout that I have, I have come to a couple of conclusions.

    One, it is all worth it. I love what I do, even if it is not the best thing for my health or longevity, it is what I was born to do.

    The other thing I am sure of is that I have earned the right not to come on to my own website and put up with fuck-knuckles making personal insults about my character, pretending to read my mind, or offering armchair psychoanalysis regarding my personal life.

    And yes, that even applies when said fuck-knuckles think their personal insults are the “smallest slight”

    Now, I would love to stay here and give you some more attention, but you’re stupid and it is a waste of time. I am also busy. I have to go ban your IP.

    • Tawil

      Appears Kai is the one with the vinegar and caustic piss to spray around, and looked to be his primary objective despite a few decoying compliments.

      In order get an outrage-free environment he will need to go over to the GMP… however not much deconstruction going on over there.

    • kiwihelen

      Go Paul!
      Anyone who is an agent of real change pays a huge personal cost…and those who have passion for a cause should be supported not derided.
      Even though I’m missing the man woman truth show for my comuting pod-casts, I’m glad you are taking care of You!
      If any dietary advice would help your well-being PM me through S4M. I’ve been red-pill on men’s health longer than anything else and know just how much BS (in this case this is also meaning ‘Blue Shite’) is given in the way of advice in this sphere…

    • Shrek6

      Paul, don’t allow this idiot to get under your skin. You should not need to explain yourself.

      This clown was/is probably some old fish wife harridan, who hasn’t had a date in decades and felt like coming here to stir some shit. Ban this twat if you will.

      Best we remain focused in one direction, than to be distracted by dipsticks who have nothing better to do with their time.

      By the way, and not that you don’t already know, you are greatly respected and supported by ‘red pill MRAs’ here in Australia. Yep, even us Christian MRAs’!

    • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      I’ve noticed a lot of “let’s play nice” idiots show up lately,possibly trying to derail us. It tells us we’re on the right road and continuing to FTSU is way to do things.

      • http://thereluctantmysogynist.blogspot.ca/ limeywestlake

        They are out in force on the Male rights subreddit, too.

        • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

          That confirms we’re on the right road.

  • http://fathersunionaustralia.com/wp/ quolls

    Repeat after me send this to JCU … they are just ‘anti social’ ‘feminists’ ‘bigoted’ ‘treacherous’ ‘politically factional’ … who voted for that crap?

  • Skeptic

    “When I call Michael Flood a sociopathic pig, it is not an adolescent ad hominem used in the absence of substance, but an unavoidable conclusion rooted in the reality of his conduct as a human being”.

    What’s the bet that quote gets lifted and the word “pig” gets used to accuse Paul of dehumanizing.
    Personally I wouldn’t have used such a description as I fear it can invite such an accusation.
    I’ve had the misfortune of meeting Michael Flood in person many years ago at a Men’s leadership gathering and he struck me as a deluded and dangerously misandric individual. I don’t see any evidence that’s changed only calcified, and I’m glad his underhand ways are being exposed at aVfM.

    • kiwihelen

      Only thing I am worried about is we are de-pigifying pigs if we compare people like this to the porcine genus. ;P

      • Skeptic

        It concerns me that as valid as our claims of misandry and immorality are against the likes of Michael Flood, once we start describing them using dehumanizing terms such as “pig”, or any other non human animal – cockroach, snake, rat (fill in your own blanks) we cross a line I personally don’t want to go over.
        Myself I prefer to stick to descriptions which don’t do that, of which there are innumerable forms – liar, cheat, misandric, gynocentric, pathetic, inept, irrational, self-centered, narcissistic, pathological, etc, etc; You get the picture.
        I remember well the days of the late 1970s and early 1980s when women en masse were starting to call men sexist PIGS. It was chilling as around that time I had the good fortune to meet Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. He was fresh from his deportation to the west and many years in Russian Gulags and I’d read his epic books “Gulag Archipelago” and “Cancer Ward”.
        He alluded to an age old psychological truism that in order to brutally dispose of a human enemy, as Nazis, USSR Communists and the Khmer Rouge had done by the many million, we can trick our minds into thinking that they are non-human.
        Now, I’m not saying Paul, or you, or anyone else I know that is associated with aVfM is headed too far down that path.
        But the thing is aVfM is gaining traction and there’s a lot of understandable rage out there given the levels of misandry.
        I for one don’t want to wake up one day hearing that some low intelligence guy with low impulse control who has flipped in reaction to misandric oppression goes on a killing spree (possible I fear in a country with as many guns as USA), because he chose to eradicate those ‘vermin’, ‘pigs’, ‘cockroaches’ etc and it’s then discovered he has a hard drive full of articles from MRA with dehumanizing language.
        Worse still would be such a scenario with a ripple effect resultant in emboldened copy cats repeating such carnage.
        Such events would, apart from the tragic carnage involved, set back the Men’s Rights Movement a lot, which would be a shame as it’s gathering steam nicely.

        • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

          I’m more or less with you; although we already face an overwhelming bias with a presumption that we’re violent, it isn’t helped when some people’s understandable rage–understandable because they’ve been so incredibly fucked over in many cases–lets them lose sight of the humanity of others.

          When reading this forums I think so often about the Malcolm X/Martin Luther King dichotomy. Malcolm was and is one of my personal heroes but his anger got the best of him more than once. Then again possibly his anger made MLK look even more palatable to an already racist audience, of the “Well this guy scares me but this one doesn’t” variety.

          Men, even angry hurt men, are generally nonviolent creatures. But there are too many women in my life I love and care about, and sometimes the anger it looks to me needs to be channeled in a more creative direction.

          Look at the recent Anita Sarkeesian situation. It’s pretty clear from her actions that she knew the reaction she was going to get and hyped it to help her. But angry guys sick of her misandrous crap fed into it and it only helped her. More creative ways of answering her are called for. I for one would like to start a Kickstarter project of my own, called “Toxic Feminism: Demonizing Men, Patronizing Women.”

          Lucky me I still have good decent caring women in my life who do not either kiss my feet or pat my head but just love me as a man. Toxic feminism hurts them too, and although sometimes they can’t see it when you point it out to them they start to notice. The kind of fauxminist who runs away crying from a Skeptics’ conference because she sees a t-shirt she doesn’t like embarrasses any woman who hates being seen as a delicate flower in need of constant protection, and is an insult to practically every man on the planet except clueless white knights (who are themselves, by the way, patronizing women and demeaning their fellow men in the process… how quick we are to forget that so much “feminism” is really SO infantalizing of women.)

          • Rper1959

            “Toxic Feminism: Demonizing Men, Patronizing Women.”
            love it Dean, love it!

          • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

            Dr. Canning (and everyone else): I’m quite serious about this. I am entirely prepared to be chief writer/point man for such a project. But it would require some of the following:

            Camera work (I have no ability here)
            Someone with significant video editing skills (mine are only basic)
            Other writers
            A person to be its main public voice and face, which I firmly believe for a wide variety of reasons must be a female face.

            I believe that, even if most MRAs believe feminism itself is the enemy, the documentary series must dial that back a bit and be willing to say “a feminist who agrees with these ideals and backs that up with more than words is not our enemy” and instead concentrate on specific feminist groups, organizations, and ideas that needs to be attacked, not a nebulous singular Jell-O word that is too open to interpretation and misinterpretation.

            The question is, could we locate people to help with such a project? If we have the basic resources in place, we can do a Kickstarter and I’m convinced raise significant money for resources to get it done.

            Once again, the working title: “Toxic Feminism: Demonizing Men & Patronizing To Women”

            I think there could be quite significant public interest.

        • kiwihelen

          I’m with you on this brother, just my coffin humor getting in the way of discussion.
          I’ve been participating in and am now removing myself from a FB group, which is currently doing self-destruct because it won’t accept that if individuals who have leadership skills are not given the scope to lead then groups of humans fracture.
          MRA as a movement is beginning to get a core of leaders, and we need to start thinking hard about normative standards. IMHO, one has to be to avoid the trap of emotive, irrational label assignment such as “pigs”, given our vulnerability and exposure as a fringe movement, which until recently was confined to the blogosphere. We have to hold ourselves to higher standards than those whose ideologies we wish to call into question.
          It brings me to an interesting thought on the rallying cry “Fuck their shit up” (or variants of). The ‘women as victim’ brigade I suspect sees this as a manifesto to destructive behavior. We need to be mindful of this possible misinterpretation and make sure it is understood that we are looking for new social contracts and constructs rather than chaos and anarchy

          • Skeptic

            Totally on the same page as you there KH.
            We do indeed need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than ad hominem attacks and “fuck you” type comments (see Dr Greg Canning’s latest post).
            I understand men are hurt, but I’m afraid such comments will be seized upon by feminists and their chivalrous enablers to further misrepresent MRA humanitarian aims as plain hate speech. Unfortunately some who sit on the fence won’t then hop down onto our side.

          • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

            No,we don’t change shit. We stay the course. There is no need to change. Our style is what has gotten us here. The militant FTSU is very effective. To those that demand altruism from men no matter what I say put your money where your mouth is. Practice what you preach IOW put up or shut up.

        • http://menzmagazine.blogspot.com/ Factory

          I agree we shouldn’t give Blazing Frank any more ammunition.

          More importantly…you’ve met some awful big names…I gots to say, I’m curious…

          • Skeptic

            What is it exactly you’re curious about? Let me know then perhaps I can fill in some details. Not promising though as I enjoy flying under the radar for now these days having been previously pulverised by institutionalised feminism.
            I had started to put together a post about that harrowing experience which drove me deeper into the Men’s Rights Movement. But I’ll bide my time whilst ad hominems and “Fuck yous” persist and choose my moment.

          • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

            I didn’t know what “Blazing Frank” meant but thanks to Google I found this essay, and I think anyone who’s on this site ought to read it:

            http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2010/03/counter-feminist-should-be-policy-wonk.html

            Blazing Frank helps the enemy. Always.

  • Rper1959

    meanwhile over a radfemhate.com pamela is protesting
    “I see the same hate site is also calling me a “mass murder advocate”, using my
    kept-private real name without my permission. That is a bald-faced li(b)e(l). All my work in the women’s movement centers around the prevention of violence. I propose that more scientific research be undertaken to try to determine the cause of the male violence that threatens to destroy our world. As the mainstream author Stephen Pinker pointed out in “The Better Angels of Our Nature”, his recent bestseller, at page 517: “And men are, of course, by far the more violent sex. Though the exact ratios vary, in every society it is the males more than the females who play-fight, bully, fight for real, carry weapons, enjoy violent entertainment, fantasize about killing, kill for real, rape, start wars, and fight in wars (citations omitted). Not only is the direction of the sex difference universal, but the first domino is certainly biological. The difference is found in most other primates, emerges in toddlerhood, and may be seen in boys who (because of anomalous genitalia) are secretly raised as girls (citations omitted).” What I am hoping the future will bring is peace, and looking for the causes of male violence is a small first step, as Dr. McClellan pointed out.”

    left a comment but will be moderated out because of my sex and presumed carnivorous and necrophilliac behaviours !

    http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/07/21/348761_news.html awaiting betty’s comment on this one.

    • Kimski

      A somewhat different rhetoric style she is using now, than the smug, self satifactory and laid back approach she presented, when she wrote her original piece on the genetically ‘fixing’ of men and boys.

      Besides her obvious avoidance of mentioning the fact that boys and girls learn about violence from their primary caretaker, women, it is also nice to see that we got the right person by the neck, as there was some uncertainty about Vliet Tiptree’s true identity in the beginning of all this. Nice of her to confirm it.

      This is a quote from the book ‘The Primal Wound: A Transpersonal View of Trauma, Addiction and Growth’ by authors John Firman & Ann Gila:

      ..Aaand a trigger warning to the FemBorgs reading these pages…

      “It seems countertransference reactions are a major dynamic behind child abuse and neglect. When a child expresses a type of experience that resonates to the primary caretaker’s own repressed wounding, the caretaker will be mobilized to change the child’s experience at all costs. The caretaker may not, for instance, be able to tolerate the infant’s pain because this energizes the desperation of the caretakers own pain. One study reported that 80 percent of primary caretakers interviewed said that excessive infant crying was the reason for the battering. The caretaker may actually FEEL that the child is CREATING these terrible feelings in the caretaker, rather than energizing latent feelings already present. In such a case, the infant’s pain may trigger physical violence or cold withdrawal, because the caretaker must keep this raw nonbeing state repressed both within and without.”

      Now, all you need to do is throw the increasing numbers of single stressed out mothers, perhaps working 1 or 2 jobs and trying to be all that, while simultaneously trying to run a household with no man present, and add the DV stats on women on top of this, and the conclusion can only be that: ‘You made your own bed, -now lie in it’.

      But let’s not stop at that: Let’s throw in the hundreds of reports of female-on-boys rapes, that surfaces in the global media every year, and goes mostly unpunished in the majority of the cases. I’m not even going to mention the ones that goes unreported due to silence from the victims, in fear of shame or ridicule, but I’m guessing the numbers are substantial.

      It’s a perfect recipe for a growing amount of violence and rapes, and the primary reason for this development are the very same gender, that at the same time claims to be the biggest victims of it.

      But I’m not surprised to see that Pamela O’Shaughnessy seems unaware of all these facts, and even if she does know about it, she’s not going to mention it to the choir on the hate site RadFem.hub. It just doesn’t fit into her kind of description of an alledged “gender equalist”, now does it?

  • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

    Right on,let’s continue to fuck their shit up.

    Also:

    It seems as though Dan Matthews is flip-flopping. He’s taken down his webpage where he states he wants to hold women accountable for falsely accusing men of crimes. This is the site in question:http://danmatthewsforcongress.com/dans-words-violence-against-women-act Now let’s go to my site,especially the words in blue which quote Matthews: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2012/07/dan-matthews-sticks-up-for-men.html Some feminazis may have gotten to him so it is up to us to counteract what they have done. Dan Matthews can be contacted here: http://danmatthewsforcongress.com/contact

  • http://fathersunionaustralia.com/wp/ quolls

    Feminism is the disguise for misandry, an aberration causing frustration and anxiety.
    Solution is to always couple feminism with misandry by starting and ending any mention of feminism with words like ‘narcissistic feminist abortionists’ ‘bigoted feministic narcissism’.
    This exposes the true form of feminism to the populous and redirects frustration and anxiety back at feminists, is a legitimate way to vent the negative energy back to the source of origin.

  • Carlos

    FUCK THEIR SHIT UP!! That is all.

  • http://forsakeneagle.blogspot.com/ ForsakenEagle

    No matter how much the yell, scream, and cry, there is no stopping the tide of men (and women) waking up from the real hate movement. They think they have an absolute monopoly on human rights. They can’t be further from the truth. They think they are the only ones filled with anger and a desire to have greater value. They WILL come to know we have a right to greater value, and they WILL NOT benefit themselves by opposing the inevitable.

    FTSU!

  • DruidV

    Wherever an idea gains popularity, there will always naysayers. It is as unavoidable as a negative charge from your car battery, if you want it to start anyway.

    Negativity, in the form of naysaying, is actually a form of self indulgence sometimes referred to as “the pity pot” and many individuals enjoy sitting there, squarely upon it, shooting down any and all positive thinking, if they can.

    Many times these individuals will cling desperately to their negativity and thus cannot be talked out of it or otherwise disabused of it. This only poses a problem within a group if this negativity is shared by and begins to spread among others within said group.

    Fortunately for the positive thinkers here, FTSU is tried and true and it sells itself. The goodwill and elation we feel at each small victory via FTSU, cannot be eliminated by naysayes, though they still try ceaselessly.

    In case I didn’t mention it:

    FTSU!

  • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

    I didn’t know what “Blazing Frank” meant but thanks to Google I found this essay, and I think anyone who’s on this site ought to read it:

    What causes the Blazing Franks? They didn’t just one day to decide to become a Blazing Frank. Something made them that way.

  • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

    @Dean

    Blazing Frank helps the enemy. Always.

    So do you when you tell us to mellow out.

  • MichaelFlood

    Paul, I’ve only recently seen this article. You wrote, “I want the public to see… the outrageously deceptive and dishonest tactics of Michael Flood, who, after taking on the false identity an estranged father, gained access to the organization Fathers4Equality and sent abusive emails to Australian MP’s in their name.” You need to do your homework a little more thoroughly. As I wrote on the site to which you refer, I wrote under my own name and not under any false identity. Yes, I used the Fathers4Equality email system, but I did so transparently.
    Cheers,
    Michael Flood.

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Been talking to a reporter, haven’t you, Mickey.

      So, you “transparently” used someone else’s email system to attempt to discredit them with lies you knew would be attributed to the fathers organization you were working to hurt, and now you are indignant that you think some of the facts were wrong?

      Well, my sources tell another story. And since you make a living off distortions and hiding evidence (as you know you did with the perpetrators of child abuse in Australia), then who do you think is more credible?

      I have not spent too much time on you in the past, Mickey. You know, so many liars, so little time.

      Checking my calendar.

      • Tawil

        Yes, Mr. Flood has a chequered history when it comes to professional integrity. Here is a bit of a dirt file in Flood, by no means comprehensive but revealing nonetheless:

        http://bricabrakaaa.blogspot.com.au/

        • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

          Fascinating link Tawil.

          The ABC making statements to amend errors it made when it took Michael Flood at his word.

          http://www.bananasinpyjamas.com/news/2008-11-17/forcing-sex-not-a-big-deal-boys-survey/208604

          [quote] -Editor’s note: This story was amended on December 3, 2008 to acknowledge an error made by the authors of the White Ribbon Foundation report. The original story reported, in part, that “one in every three boys believe it is not a big deal to hit a girl”. In fact, the author of the report, Dr Michael Flood, has advised the ABC that this finding was in fact wrong. Dr Flood’s team transposed information in compilation of that part of the report. The original report by the National Crime Prevention 2001 study upon which much of the White Ribbon report was is based made no reference to “boys hitting girls” and referred only to “girls hitting boys”.

          Michael you are disturbed old son.

          • Turbo

            Hey Doc
            I am getting a “Sorry, Page not Found” when I hit the link, also tried a search on the main website, couldn’t find it. I wonder if they have removed it.

        • Tawil

          Oh, and be sure to check out the fascinating comments on the talk page of the Wikipedia article about him – a page which he secretly edited numerous times (which is against WP policy) and for which he was found out and reprimanded by Wikipedia admins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michael_Flood

          And the hidden archives of the Flood Wikipedia page are just as interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michael_Flood/archive1

      • Rper1959

        Anyone with a strong stomach and time to waste my like to listen to Flood distort and misrepresent the current status of domestic violence research by 1. admitting he has been wrong in the past in attributing the relative proportions of DV instigated by men and women because just hitting is not “real DV” 2. Redefining DV to be different from the general definition accepted in most research to date in favor of a feminist / Duluth informed definition and hence setting the scene to ignore the findings of the ABS personal safety survey being re-conducted this year and likely to be more telling in terms of female perpetrated violence then the previous survey.

        Continued intellectual dishonesty and grovelling adherence to feminist dogma as only Flood is capable.

    • Tawil

      Michael Flood: “As I wrote on the site to which you refer, I wrote under my own name and not under any false identity. Yes, I used the Fathers4Equality email system, but I did so transparently.”

      No you didn’t, Michael Flood!!! I was an admin on the website in question at the time of your deceit and I can vouch right here and now that you wrote under an alias. Further, you did not use the Fathers4Equality email system designed for contacting politicians transparently, and i was witness to it.

      • Tawil

        Here’s an interesting testimony from Dr. Michael flood:

        http://www.f4e.com.au/blog/2011/11/17/michael-flood-when-equality-becomes-the-new-enemy-of-feminism/#more-1330
        “I can’t remember if I signed the message I sent… I agree that my use of the email service wasn’t appropriate. As I wrote on the Dads On The Air list at the time, “It’s true, I did try to (mis)use the Megaphone to send that message. I’m somewhat embarrassed about this though. I did it on the spur of the moment, but I can see on reflection that doing so contradicts the ethics with which I try to conduct my participation in public debates etc… These are certainly the ways in which I try to conduct myself on the DOTA Forum, and in any public debate. Using the Megaphone to send that message doesn’t fit with the first of these principles, and clearly was using the Megaphone for a purpose directly contrary to that for which it was intended. So, I apologise for this action.”

        Didn’t sign it hey Michael… and you call that transparent?

        • Turbo

          Thanks for all the info you have posted Tawil, great stuff.

    • gwallan

      I am one of a group of male survivors of sexual abuse spread all over Australia. Among them are many who can tell you of trying to get help from services funded to help victims only to be laughed at or called liars. Across the land victims of rape need to travel thousands of kilometres and pay thousands of dollars to get despearately needed help that is available for free to others in their own neighbourhoods. The reason – they’re male or, even more pitifully, they were abused by a female.

      Michael Flood. You, Sir, are one of the active agents in this marginalisation and it’s maintenance. You do so knowingly. You do so deliberately and for reasons of gender political ideology. Understand that when you marginalise victims you contribute to the harm their experience of abuse causes them. In effect you may as well be a participant abuser.

      Half the victims of child sexual abuse are boys and they are as likely to be abused by either sex. Rendered invisible by idealogues. Michael Flood you should hang your head in shame.

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  • Roger O Thornhill

    Slightly OT here, but please here me out.

    I was first lead to this site from an article on a local news site about the postering of Monash University in Melbourne Australia. Bad AVFM press brought me here and I’m glad. I’m in awe of the grasp of the subject matter that the contributors to this site have, and also their indefatigable efforts.

    I try to visit this site everyday, but at times I feel a bit overwhelmed by the enormity, complexity and gravity of all of this. But I keep coming back!

    The type of people that will join this movement in the future are the ones who already disregard the old media and its lies about the state of our society. The medium that you’re looking at now will connect more and more people searching for the truth. I’m not saying anything new, but it brought me here.

    This site has allowed me to make connections with fun, decent, honest and most importantly sane people both here in Australia and in other parts of the world.

    I’ve even been able to contribute to some things in my own little way, which has been a grand experience.

    I have seen many incredibly positive developments in connection to AVFM in just over a month after my initial visit and registration here. I have seen a huge increase in the number of new articles that appear here. I’m not forgetting the new forum either.

    I’ve visited other sites, but I find some of them to be filled with people who are no better than the most vile of RadFems.

    If anyone thinks I’m trying to blow smoke up the arses of others, just bring your arse a little closer to me. That’s so I can shove 75 pages of rolled up burning old media up it!

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Roger, thanks for that. We are proud to have you. Also, your posters should be going up today.

      I would love it if you could write out this story, focusing on how the Monash event led you to this site and plying your wares to the MRM. That is great stuff and I would love to run it here as a feature article.

    • Turbo

      Great to have you here Roger, and a hearty congrats to the guys who did the postering at Monash Uni.
      Tangible evidence of your work, well done.

      • Roger O Thornhill

        Thanks Turbo!

    • scatmaster

      I try to visit this site everyday, but at times I feel a bit overwhelmed by the enormity, complexity and gravity of all of this. But I keep coming back!

      Wow!!!!

      Someone who articulates exactly how I feel.
      It depresses me sometimes as it is hard to grasp and overwhelms me with as you say the “enormity”.
      Glad to know I am not alone.

      • Roger O Thornhill

        Thanks Scatmaster, no you’re not alone and as I’ve happily realised neither am I.

        I know I’m not the first to say this, but I’m rather envious of your clam on a stick.

  • Roger O Thornhill

    Paul, thank you! I’m quite chuffed by all of that. I’m suddenly all giggly and shy :-) As my library is full of books with big pictures and few if any words, I’m not sure what my writing would be like. I’ve never felt it to be my strong-suit. The first thing I thought about was the image to. accompany it… But I’m more than happy to have a go. I’ll gladly elaborate on my journey here, but also what I thought the MRM was about, from a brief and very distant encounter with it in the mid 90′s.

    I’ve stopped giggling now, but I’m still blushing and staring at my feet :-)

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Please have a go. We can help you with editing (within your approval, of course) and get it out there where it will do some more good. Still working on the posters, so it may be tomorrow before they go up as I want to write a short piece with them.

      Thanks!

      • Roger O Thornhill

        Hi Paul,

        I was happy when you replied to my email asking me to send them to you. I’m glad and somewhat mystified as to what you would write about them?

        Please go right ahead, it will be interesting to see what you and others here at AVFM think of them, and if they ultimately have an effect.

        I will put pen to paper and then fingers to keys in the next few days and send you something. I’m not sure I’ll reach 500 words but I’ll give it a good go!

        I’m rusty with construction, grammar and punctuation which makes me a little hesitant to write.

        But I’m sure, you’ll have an intern in the AVFM marketing department building to take care of editing my copy for you? Because you have more Government funding than any struggling and underfunded Women’s group right…?

        I was giggly before, now I’m peering out from behind the sofa :-)

    • scatmaster

      Roger:

      Dr. F is a righteous dude.

      He may be willing to give you a hand.

      If I am not speaking out of place.

  • MichaelFlood

    And, in response to the material about the mistaken “one in three boys” statistic…
    The White Ribbon Foundation’s report An Assault on Our Future (2008) contained a small error regarding one aspect of young people’s attitudes towards violence. At one point, the report stated that 31% of young men agreed that ‘when a guy hits a girl it’s not really a big deal’, but here ‘guy’ and ‘girl’ had been transposed (National Crime Prevention 2001: 65). Unfortunately, this mistaken statistic was highlighted in a media release (not written by the reports’ authors) and thus compounded in media coverage. The error was corrected as soon as it was known and the report was re-released.
    This minor error did not take away from the main message of the report: that young people are exposed to violence in their families and relationships at disturbingly high levels, that this violence has profound and long-lasting effects, that violence is sustained in part by some young people’s violence-supportive attitudes, that young males have more violence-supportive attitudes than young females, and that prevention efforts can stop this violence from occurring and continuing (Flood and Fergus 2008). The full report is available here: http://www.whiteribbon.org.au/media/documents/AssaultonourFutureFinal.pdf.
    There was other, very considerable evidence in the report regarding the fact that young males have more violence-supportive attitudes than young females. For example;
    • One in three boys (33%) believe that ‘most physical violence occurs in dating because a partner provoked it’, compared to 25% of girls (NCP 2001: 65).
    • 15 per cent of males (but only 4% of females) agree that ‘It is okay to put pressure on a girl to have sex but not to physically force her’ (NCP 2001: 65).
    • Over one in eight boys (12%) believe that ‘it is okay for a boy to make a girl have sex, if she’s flirted with him, or led him’, compared to only 3% of girls (NCP 2001: 65).
    • 7% of males (but only 2% of females) agree that ‘it’s alright for a guy to hit his girlfriend if she makes him look stupid in front of his mates’ (NCP 2001: 65).
    In fact, there is greater tolerance for females’ violence against males among young men than young women. Close to one-third (31%) of boys and young men agreed that ‘when a girl hits a guy it’s not really a big deal’, compared to 19% of girls and young women (National Crime Prevention 2001: 65). This may reflect a more general tolerance for violence espoused by young males.

    • Turbo

      Yeah right. The study found that 31% of girls had no problem with hitting boys. But by sheer accident “girl” and “guy’ got transposed.

      By sheer accident you reported the complete opposite of what the study actually found.

      By sheer accident the findings are reported as diametrically opposed to reality.

      And by sheer accident this error just happens to support your sick, twisted Feminist ideology.

      Fucking Bullshit Flood.
      You need to stop lying, you’re no good at it.

      • Kimski

        And the article itself probably ended up on the front page, with a big fat headline, while the disclaimer was brought in small writing on the bottom of page 20 or something.
        Same shit, different day.
        No buyers here.

        • Turbo

          Dead right, exactly why they do it.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      No Michael, you have not succeeded in decoying us away from your original lies to the Australian public.

      So, to keep everyone’s eyes on the disastrous stereotyping you perpetrated against innocent boys we will examine your ‘work’ more closely and with honesty this time.

      I advise for the readers here to read this slowly, in order to take in the information as this comment is being quite long. It needs to be, as the issue here is important, on the record and a reminder of the slippery way this man chooses engage. He is after all skilled at tampering with the truth, as does any craftsman who has time to ply their profession.

      Let’s have a closer look at this shall we ?

      Flood fabricated extremely damaging stats about boys’ tendencies to violence, and promoted this false info to numerous media outlets just prior to the White Ribbon Day. (Flood is a “researcher” for WRD whose aim is to to promote men’s roles in building a feminist future)

      Basically Flood told the press that his research confirmed the startling truth that “One in every three boys think it is okay to hit girls” …. and that is exactly the line that appeared in over 30 news outlets (including the national ABC). This ‘finding’ had journalists verbally smashing males all around the country for their pro violent attitudes.

      This research was published by Flood just days before the White Ribbon Day in 2008 and led to a huge surge of interest in the event. However someone checked on his sources and found him out to be lying, and alerted the media, and a few in the media published tiny retractions that basically nobody read, for example.

      [quote] – “Editor’s note: This story was amended on December 3, 2008 to acknowledge an error made by the authors of the White Ribbon Foundation report. The original story reported, in part, that “one in every three boys believe it is not a big deal to hit a girl”. In fact, the author of the report, Dr Michael Flood, has advised the ABC that this finding was in fact wrong.”

      “Dr Flood’s team transposed information in compilation of that part of the report. The original report by the National Crime Prevention 2001 study upon which much of the White Ribbon report was is based made no reference to “boys hitting girls” and referred only to “girls hitting boys”. As references to this incorrect information formed a significant part of our online news story, the story has been amended accordingly. Since some of the user comments attached to this story were based on the incorrect information, user comments have been removed from this story.”

      [quote] “Domestic violence on teens AM, ABC News Online, 7pm TV News On Monday November 17, 2008 ABC News carried stories reporting the findings of a study into the impact of violence on young people. The study was commissioned by the White Ribbon Foundation. It reported, in part, that “one in every three boys believe it is not a big deal to hit a girl”. The author of the report, Dr Michael Flood, has advised the ABC that this finding was in fact wrong. Dr Flood’s team transposed information in compilation of that part of the report.”

      “The original report by the National Crime Prevention 2001 study upon which much of the White Ribbon report was is based made no reference to “boys hitting girls” In fact the report referred to “girls hitting boys” as being no big deal. As references to this incorrect information formed a significant part of the our online news story, as well as an interview conducted for the AM program. The online news story has been amended accordingly. The AM transcript has been edited and the story audio removed.”

      Flood on two or three occasions threatened legal intervention to Wikipedia Admins because the Wikipedia article made reference to his 2008 use of false statistics (above) that some media publicly corrected (see also above). According to Wikipedia policy all cited material can be mentioned in an entry (eg, the error by Flood). But Flood successfully intimidated the Wikipedia Admins into removing all trace of the incident lest he litigate. This was little more than bullying by Flood. Since his mention of legal intervention he was allotted his own special Wikipedia administrator ‘MishMich’ to help police his Wikipedia entry to make sure it is the way Flood wants it to be.

      To summarize:
      The original study which Flood cited made no reference whatsoever to boys thinking it was ok to hit a girl. The original report ‘Young Australians and Domestic Violence’, Australian Institute of Criminology, (page 5., 2001) stated that a significant proportion of young people agree with the statement “when a girl hits a guy its no big deal”.

      Clearly Flood could not have reversed the genders by mere accident. Here is an interesting blogger account of the scandal, to which Flood replied:

      “I understand that you orchestrated this deception in order to boost concern for The White Ribbon campaign. All you have succeeded in doing is bringing disrepute and suspicion onto the aims of the project.”

      Is it a wonder that men around the world are stepping back to question the veracity of the The White Ribbon campaign ?

      • MichaelFlood

        What’s bizarre is that you or anyone thinks that this mistake of mine was deliberate. The mistake didn’t do me, or the report, any favours, and distracted from the report’s significance. I was embarrassed by the error, and corrected it as soon as I knew of it. I’ve told you what happened above, and it’s pretty straightforward.
        Cheers,
        Michael Flood.

        • Shrek6

          Damn, I accidentally clicked on Flood’s ‘upvote.’ I retract that click most vehemently!!!!!

          • OneHundredPercentCotton

            I’ll hit another down vote for ya.

          • Shrek6

            Thanks OHPC!

        • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

          It was so far departed from any study, that the possibility for it to be a mistake is extraordinarily remote especially for a man with the title of doctor.

          The “error” did you no good as it was discovered and brought to the fore. Not giving your retraction with this matter was therefore not an option.

          Furthermore. http://ozconservative.blogspot.com.au/2009/05/embarrassing-stuff-up-by-feminists.html

          It turns out that the team headed by Dr Michael Flood made a very embarrassing mistake in their report on domestic violence. They misread the original research (National Crime Prevention study 2001). The research did not show 1 in 3 boys thinking it OK to hit girls, but 1 in 3 young people thinking it no big deal for girls to hit boys.

          It was about boys being hit, not girls.

          And another:
          And what of the other claim, that 1 in 3 fifteen year-old girls have had unwanted sex. This is a case of some of the feminist commenters misreading Dr Flood’s report. The actual statistic is that 30% of Year 10 girls who have had intercourse have had unwanted sex. 24% of Year 10 girls have had intercourse. Therefore, it is around 7% of year 10 girls who have had unwanted sex, not 1 in 3.

          An error indeed. How about two beauties Flood ? Nobody could have missed this one or the other one. I believe due to evidence on record that you are being untruthful with your assertion of making an error only.

          Pardon, two errors.

          • MichaelFlood

            Actually, we got that statistic right. To quote page 18 of the report “An Assault on Our Future:
            Among girls who have ever had sex, 30.2 per cent of
            Year 10 girls and 26.6 per cent of Year 12 girls have
            ever experienced unwanted sex (Smith et al. 2003).

          • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

            This comment from you is entirely irrelevant.

            It is an example of your style of ‘debate’ where you appear to have responded where in fact you have not.

        • Turbo

          Bullshit !!!

          The report in its original form with the so called “error” was shouted from the rooftops as publicity for WRD. Retractions and corrections are never given much time or publicity. The rallying cry was out, no need to worry about a small error of truth. We all know how it works. You are being disingenuous at best.

          I will tell you what is bizarre, you coming here expecting us to believe it.

          But then I don’t really think you expect that, it is just for the record, hey?

        • scatmaster

          We are coming after you Flood.

          You are a disgrace.

        • gwallan

          How could that mistake possibly occur? If I’m to accept this I need to believe Mr Flood was relatively unfamiliar with the source information. Were this the case he should not have referenced the information at all. I’ve worked in the statistics and database field most of my life. I’ve never made an error of this sort. That is NOT something that can be described as an honest mistake. It is more correctly incompetance. He presents himself as an expert. Needs to do better to earn that label.

          I’m afraid Mr Flood has no credibility. This “error” conforms utterly with his track record of rendering male victims invisible and providing cover and protection for female perpetrators of abuse. Whether mistake or not he owes every boy and man in Australia an apology for this slander.

          I’ve long argued that in order to develop effective strategies to prevent abuse it is absolutely essential to be inclusive of all victims. Michael Flood presents positions developed from a gendered ideology which erases victims and perpetrators from view. This cannot possibly contribute to the inclusive approaches needed to reduce or prevent abuse.

          • Sasha

            I couldn’t agree more. This is incredibly bad research and statistical practice; poor reporting, poor analysis, poor design. Flood’s research is so bad, it’s not even wrong, as they say.

            It’s a startling demonstration of the weaknesses of this kind of advocacy research – inflating and distorting results in order to enhance the case for funding and public action in an extremely biased way.

            Flood seems fully conscious and aware of his own deeply prejudiced beliefs; to put it bluntly – it is deeply inappropriate that someone who self-identifies as a radical feminist should be receiving public funding to carry out research into this subject. Radical ideologues cannot be trusted.

            Flood’s also sadly a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. This occurs when incompetent people not only fail to realise their incompetence, but consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. Basically – they’re too stupid to know that they’re stupid. Flood portrays himself as an expert, but ignores evidence, skews research, misreports the facts and misleads the public and government. It’s wrong on many, many levels.

          • MichaelFlood

            Actually, making the mistake was easy. I’d taken notes in a Word document in 2001 on the NCP report, including on boys’ and girls’ responses to a series of attitudinal statements. I’d accidentally gotten one of the statements wrong, transposing ‘guys’ and ‘girls’ in the statement. So when I drew on these notes in writing the 2008 report, I repeated this error. And only realised it when the error was drawn to my attention.
            Gwallan writes that s/he has never made such an error. I’m impressed. Even the Australian Bureau of Statistics has made such errors: in its first release of the Personal Safety Survey (2006) (on women’s and men’s experiences of violence), its reporting on p. 31 of the data included a significant error, which was only corrected in a re-release.
            Anyway, it was a mistake, and I corrected it as soon as I could. And as I’ve noted above, it didn’t detract from the bulk of the report.
            Michael Flood.

          • gwallan

            All Mr Flood can do is have a dig about my claim to be pretty much error free? The upshot of his making an “error” is a little media correction. The upshot of my making an error could, for example, have meant no school in the state having any money. I’ve never had the luxury of being slipshod with my data or analyses like some. My errors wouldn’t have been small print corrections. They would have been front page news.

            More telling was what he didn’t address…

            I identified myself as Australian

            I identified myself as a survivor of child sexual abuse by a woman

            I further identified myself as part of a nationwide collective of male victims.

            I wrote of the experiences of many victims when trying to get help and the lengths they need to go to merely to find somebody who will believe them. They are victims not only of abuse but of discrimination which currently starts with the federal government and seeps through systems and institutions and agencies. They see the butt end of an ethos that has undoubtedly been influenced by Mr Flood, among others of similar idealogical pursuasion, over a lengthy period of time.

            I’m sure he is proud of the influence he has wielded in these fields. I’m equally not surprised he has nothing to say to victims his ideology has so casually cast into oblivion.

        • Aimee McGee

          Mr Flood, would you agree even one assault of any one by anyone regardless of gender is wrong?
          If you do, surely it is in your interest there is equal promotion of the anti IPV message to both men and women.
          I’m in a relationship with a man who has survived 18 years of IPV; emotional, financial, sexual and physical. I was the first person he disclosed to. His story is tragic enough without considering the sequel – his 14 year old daughter assaulted him just over a year ago, because he did not want her visiting a friend at 2100 on a school night, and the family courts enabled her in not being held to account for out of control behaviour.
          I am sure you believe you are doing the right thing, but I respectfully ask you spend some time talking to male survivors of IPV so you understand that men and boys also suffer from organisational abuse, as their experiences are belittled by the police, family court, churches and NGO groups such as the Whit Ribbon campaign.

          • MichaelFlood

            Some people on this site seem to be under the impression that I see violence as something done exclusively by men and to women. I don’t.
            In my writings, public speaking, and policy and program work, I have routinely acknowledged that violence is used by women, and I have routinely emphasised that violence of any form is unacceptable, whether by men or women.
            In my writings for example, way back in 1999 I acknowledged that “Some victims of domestic violence certainly are men. … some have been assaulted by women. Male victims of domestic violence deserve the same recognition, sympathy, support and services as do female victims. And they do not need to be 50 percent of the victims to deserve these”. (“Claims About Husband Battering.” DVAR: Domestic Violence Action and Resources (Domestic Violence Resource Centre) 8 (2000).) In a 2003 encyclopedia entry on domestic violence, I wrote that “Men too are subject to domestic violence at the hands of female and male sexual partners, ex-partners, and other family members.”In a 2007 encyclopedia entry on male victims of violence, I wrote that “males also are subjected to violence by female perpetrators”. (Flood, M. “Violence, Men As Victims Of.” The International Encyclopedia of Men and Masculinities (2007).)
            In my writings therefore, I have consistently acknowledged the fact that domestic violence includes violence by women against male partners. The same goes for my public speaking. I have never pretended that interpersonal violence is exclusively by men.
            I have also addressed women’s violence against men, and men’s subjection to violence more generally, in my involvements in policy and programming. For example, I facilitated a one-day workshop a few years back to help develop the work of the Service Assisting Male Survivors of Sexual Assault (SAMSSA), which supports male victims of assault by male and female perpetrators. Over 1998-2001, I participated in a Men’s Reference Group to give guidance and feedback and the development and implementation of a phoneline addressing men – both men living with domestic violence and men using violence themselves. (As a matter of interest, both these services were set up by feminist organisations. SAMSSA was auspiced by the Canberra Rape Crisis Centre, while Mensline was set up by the Domestic Violence Crisis Service.)
            More generally, I have been a keen advocate of the need to address violence against men, through op-eds and other public work. (See for example “Booze, bravado and male honour make for a culture of violence”, The Sydney Morning Herald, 23 January 2004.)
            However, what I have *not* done is to repeat the lie that domestic violence is gender-equal. I have said over and over that the victims of violence often are male, and I have noted that they are most at risk from other males. According to the recent national survey by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, twice as many men as women suffered at least one incident of violence in the last year. Among male victims of physical assault, in 94 per cent of cases their assailant was another man.
            Sincerely,
            Michael Flood.

          • Rper1959

            Your a fucking hero for equity Michael , 6 sentences out to reams of published and spoken gender ideologue diatribe and you some how expect us to consider your propaganda balanced? Get real!

            BTW how are you defining DV this week, why not include the trademark techniques of women, emotional abuse, abuse of sexual power for their own advantage, belittling, repeated derogatory taunts etc etc and heck, actually go out and survey EQUAL numbers of men and women and ask them the SAME questions ??

            Dare you to actually do some balanced research, but wont hold my breath.

          • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

            Michael Flood: “In my writings, public speaking, and policy and program work, I have routinely acknowledged that violence is used by women..”

            Always followed with a but.

          • Aimee McGee

            Mr Flood, I note with interest that your articles and participation in the equality agenda all appear to be more than 5 years ago. I find that interesting.
            Much of the research on gender reciprocity in IPV is more current than this. Can you cite more current works and activism using more recent research?
            You are also conflating interpersonal violence with intimate partner violence. While interpersonal violence is a problem it will include ‘street & pub’ violence, which by its sheer public nature is likely to have witnesses and prosecutions. Also, there is an element of shame associated with the reporting of IPV when it is inflicted by a woman against a man, so there is likely to be under-reporting. Do you agree this might affect statistics?
            My question is the same as Dr Canning, do you consider sexual, emotional and verbal violence used by a woman against a man as IPV? Would you be prepared to research this area?
            I’m wondering also whether you see it as a problem that there are almost no safe houses where men can take their children to escape abusive relationships?

          • OneHundredPercentCotton

            Mr. Flood – gotta ask here. How much of that violence inflicted by one male upon another was at the behest of a woman?

            You know? Violence by proxy?

            Most male rape is also male on male – but how much of that is also rape by proxy? You know, as in innocent men sent to prison on false rape or violence against women charges?

            I know that “rape is the most under reported crime” theory is deducted by self selecting surveys interviewing women asking if they have been raped.

            I have to wonder just what the numbers would reveal if MEN were surveyed “Have you ever been falsely accused of rape, threatened, bullied, or blackmailed into doing something against your will by threat of false rape accusations, or had your reputation hurt by false rumor of having raped?

            One has to wonder as well if men were surveyed to see the extent of their sexual assault experiences by women – even if they don’t consider a 14 year old babysitter experimenting with them as a 6 year old to be “sexual assault”.

            I suspect such surveys would reveal that false rape threats and accusations are probably the second most under reported crime…if not the first…

            …or that female on male unwanted sexual advances are truly all that “rare”.

            ..that would be, of course, if making false rape accusations were indeed considered a crime instead of the rarely prosecuted minor consideration it is currently is.

            You see, MichaelFlood, it helps to keep things in balance to question the notion that one gender is “good” and only one gender is “bad”.

            Much as I enjoy my status as the “good” gender, I must admit my sons really aren’t as bad as you let on.

          • gwallan

            Michael Flood said…
            In my writings, public speaking, and policy and program work, I have routinely acknowledged that violence is used by women, and I have routinely emphasised that violence of any form is unacceptable, whether by men or women.

            I’m a little older than Mr Flood and because of my long time involvement with victims have had cause to notice his public utterances over a very long time.

            His use of the descriptor “routinely” renders this claim a little inaccurate to say the least. “Sporadically” would have been more than adequate and, as has been pointed out elsewhere, it’s inevitably accompanied by a rider.

            To victims it’s a little act of cruelty every time. They’re shown a fleeting glimpse of acknowledgement that will always be ripped away as soon as possible.

        • Booyah

          “The mistake didn’t do me, or the report, any favours” <— Another fat lie. It allowed you to publicly promote numbers which were falsely obtained and promoted your cause. One of the oldest feminist tricks in the playbook. Did you seriously not think we had figured out that one by now….. Furthermore your continuing behaviour is constantly shown to be deceptive, which is also once again completely in line with your Ideologically addled companions.

          No favor indeed. What a joke. You seem to enjoy destroying your character, please continue. I dislike you a great deal and I am thoroughly enjoying it.

      • Shrek6

        Dr. F, thanks for putting up this rebuttal.

        I couldn’t find the stomach to respond in any intelligent fashion, save and except for a bit of my own dribble.

        This jerk always causes me nausea and I always have the feeling that I need to go have a sex change, every time it sticks it’s vile head up into the public arena and speaks its lies.

        There is one person who is worse than your enemy. And that person is a traitor!
        Quoted from the treasure trove of an Ogre!

    • Shrek6

      How come every time you write anything Flood, it is to show that men/boys are the ‘ONLY’ perpetrators of the bullshit classification of DV?

      How come is it that every time you open your mouth, nothing but pitiful anti-male diatribe dribbles down your chin then on to the floor?

      Flood, you know what this website is. You know this website and its owner has been labeled as a hate site filled with men who hate women!

      Why is it that you are here dribbling your over abundant and out of control catarrh all over this page, when you know full well you will be called out for being the man hating, feminist obeying puppet that you truly are?
      Of course. You have deliberately come here to do some shit stirring. No probs. We’re up to it and will gladly oblige!

      Oh and by the way, there’s a whole bunch of women here who can see the lies that you and your ilk peddle and they are working very hard at supporting what is becoming one of the strongest family and child friendly sites on the internet.

      After all, the safest place for any child to reside, is in the same home of their natural father, but preferably in an intact family. Mothers (especially single mothers) are downright dangerous. Always have been, and always will be!

      Go take a hike!

      • Bewildered

        Shit ! This appears to be a never ending nightmare.
        These crazy manginas seem to be getting worse and worse.
        But HTH can the general public be so callous ?
        Why pretend to be civilized at all ?
        If the authorities keep behaving like Marie Antoinette manginas in particular will have a lot to fear about.

    • scatmaster

      minor error

      Fuck You!!!!!

    • MegaTuxRacer

      “Small error”

      Apparently magnitude is lost on you.

    • Tom

      There is a difference between “agreement,” “belief” and “action.” I don’t really care about statistics on how someone answers the questions you’ve quoted above, I watch what they actually do.

      It seems to me, Michael that you need to do more thorough research and become better educated on this issue. Find ways of eliminating violence and the potential for violence for EVERYONE not just women.

      Your statistics do not stand up to meta-analysis.

      Consider:

      http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

      “…Last updated: June 2012
      SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600….”

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/MRAGreatestHits MRA Greatest Hits

      Sounds suspiciously like Liz Katz’ little effort to claim that Warren Farrell advocated incest. You know, when “gently caressing” children is exchanged for “genitally caressing” children. Some ‘typos’ are just too convenient I suppose. Error correction does little to clear deliberately muddied waters doesn’t it Michael? Besides, (insert any number of Christina Hoff Sommers’ quotes here)

  • scatmaster

    Flood????

    Your response????

    Didn’t think so.

    Well done Dr. F my brother.

    Still owe you an email. Apologies. It may be awhile.

    Will explain when I contact you.

    • Turbo

      Don’t worry Scatters, the response would just be more BS. Besides, he is too busy sucking on the public tit with his feminist, man and children hating overlords at the White Ribbon Foundation.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/ KARMA MRA MGTOW

    The next generation of feminists I am here to fuck your shit up!

    How? By going on poster and sticker runs where I know YOUNG MALES hang out. I will do this for the next 25 years if I have to!

    Later tonight I will be targeting a local high school.

    We must get to the teen boys before they enter UNI and the wider world.IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

  • Roger O Thornhill

    Am I the only one here with a Shepherd’s Crook within reach?

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    I read this from a poster on the site from a year ago. It’s worth repeating.

    “Submitted on 2012/02/09 at 1:57 AM | In reply to Dannyboy.
    I’ve tried to communicate with Chisholm asking what was being taught regarding male victims of abuse and pointing out that Fisher advocates a discriminatory attitude toward them. I’ll be going after him again at some point but this time with the banner of a statewide victim support service backing me.

    The article that originally raised my shackles was published on Flood’s website and included such lovelies as…

    “We should not be surprised when men claim victim status (even when they have directly harmed someone) and attempts to dissuade them are unlikely to be effective.”

    His wording effectively includes ALL males who have been victims of abuse. Not only should they, by default, be disbelieved but they should also be coerced into a belief that they are NOT victims.

    In it’s original presentation a banner across the top read “CHISHOLM INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY” in the page’s largest font. I did put it to Chisholm that they should consider whether they wanted to be associated with Fisher’s position in such a bold way. Notably that heading is gone now. I’ve yet to be able to confirm anything about course content however.

    Re Deakin it is also the source of Rebecca Deering who produced a study in 2004 showing women responsible for a quarter of child sexual abuse. According to her the treatment of male victims in Victoria was “despicable”. Things have improved since in terms of services but the female rapists continue to go unpunished. The state doesn’t honour consent for boys or men where any act by a woman is concerned.”

    • gwallan

      Where did you find that? That was me.

      That’s still on my radar. After initially being well received by Chisholm staff I spoke to they clammed up. With a new state govt in place it may be an opportunity. I have been fostering communication with a couple of non-Labor MPs recently. I’m now well placed in the victim services area I mentioned but don’t have planets sufficiently aligned to utilise that avenue yet.

  • MichaelFlood

    gwallan, don’t take my silence in response to your or others’ postings as indicating a lack of concern with the issues you raise. I’m relatively quiet on this space because I don’t see it generally as a productive or respectful space in which to participate. Given the routine attacks on my personal and professional standing on this page, I see little point in trying to engage in reasoned debate here.
    Sincerely,
    Michael Flood.

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      You are quiet correct, Michael. There is no point in your being here. No one here is fooled by you for a second.

    • gwallan

      don’t take my silence in response to your or others’ postings as indicating a lack of concern with the issues you raise.

      That’s perfectly fine Mr Flood. I was already aware of your concern. I’ve heard it in your voice and read it in your words for a very long time. I have, after all, been quite motivated to absorb information and discussion relating to abuse for much of my life. You have yet to surprise me.

      Over the years I’ve communicated with quite a few similar spokespeople to yourself Mr Flood. Often they are CEOs of crisis or DV services. A common response to my questions as to why so many victims are excluded from their advocacy and education is “convenience”. I have promised each of them that, at some point in the future, I will give them the opportunity to thank some of those victims who have been sacrificed to their verbal convenience. I will do the same for you.

      I’m relatively quiet on this space because I don’t see it generally as a productive or respectful space in which to participate. Given the routine attacks on my personal and professional standing on this page, I see little point in trying to engage in reasoned debate here.

      I’ve been involved in party and union politics all my life. This environment is relatively controlled and tame compared to many I’ve seen. As for your treatment I can attest to experiencing much worse(my treatment by a prominant feminist site was independently documented on Feminist Critics.) I lack an ivory tower to hide in unfortunately.

      I am entirely neutral as to your personal and professional standing. My concern is your political and professional actions and the impact they have. Where these matters are concerned you are not a specialist/expert. When you promote a political orthodoxy your status changes. You go beyond specialist/expert and become a “politician”. From that point on any possible immunity from political critcism is forfeit.

      At this point it seems your primary concern is protecting your reputation. Well and good. In a couple of months I’ll be at a regular gathering that includes victims whose experiences I’ve previously mentioned. Undoubtably I will meet more like them. You’ll be pleased to know reputations will not be on the weekend agenda. That sort of thing seems rather trivial in light of the experiences those people survived. I’ll be sure to pass on your greetings.

    • Aimee McGee

      Mr Flood, I’m somewhat disappointed you feel this is not a space for reasoned debate. There are people here like myself who want to find out more about your perspective. While other people’s opinion of you informs me you have not made friends in the MRM, I’m a believer in listening to people speak their own case.
      My three main concerns regarding your former responses
      1. Have you more recent papers and work than those cited, as much of the evidence around reciprocal violence has been published since your cited papers
      2. You appear to be conflating interpersonal violence statistics with intimate partner violence, do you agree there is a substantial risk of under reporting of female on male IPV because of the shame
      3. Do you think the lack of shelters for men to bring their children is an issue that needs to be addressed?

      • MichaelFlood

        Aimee, to answer your three questions above:
        1. Yep. And I’ve made many of the key, recent overviews available here: http://www.xyonline.net/content/domestic-violence-and-gender-xy-collection.
        2. I do agree that “there is a substantial risk of under reporting of female on male IPV”. And the evidence is mixed regarding whether this level is greater or less than the level of under-reporting of male on female IPV.
        3. I do. While I was in Canberra, I helped set up, and then remained on the management board of, a shelter for homeless men with accompanying children, the Canberra Fathers and Children’s Service (CanFaCS). I’d love to see more such services.

        • TheSameDog

          > 1. Yep. And I’ve made many of the key,
          > recent overviews available here:
          > http://www.xyonline.net/content/domestic-violence-and-gender-xy-collection.

          You don’t say? Every last one of these overviews opposes the idea that men can be victims of IPV. True, the opposition no longer takes the form of outright denial because you guys have realized that this simply cannot fly in the face of overwhelming evidence. So yes, you begrudgingly admit that female-on-male violence exists, but you do everything to argue that it is less important than claimed. You are still pushing against the idea of female-on-male IPV being a real issue. You have been forced to retreat a lot from where you stood a couple of years ago, but you are still facing us as enemy.

        • TheSameDog

          > 3. I do. While I was in Canberra, I helped set up,
          > and then remained on the management board of,
          > a shelter for homeless men with accompanying
          > children, the Canberra Fathers and Children’s
          > Service (CanFaCS). I’d love to see more such
          > services.

          Since you are on CanFaCS management board, you might want to investigate why their website is down – assuming of course that your involvement with them was anything but a token gesture so you can say “look, I support men’s shelters”.

  • Codebuster

    “However, what I have *not* done is to repeat the lie that domestic violence is gender-equal. I have said over and over that the victims of violence often are male, and I have noted that they are most at risk from other males. According to the recent national survey by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, twice as many men as women suffered at least one incident of violence in the last year. Among male victims of physical assault, in 94 per cent of cases their assailant was another man.”

    But child abuse is domestic violence, with boys being subjected to higher levels of abuse than girls. And women are the primary perpetrators of child abuse. I have referenced Child Maltreatment studies on several occasions in order to substantiate my claim. For example, the latest incarnation of the ACF website can be found here.

    And children first learn violence from their primary nurturer/abuser… for example, refer here. When you suggest that “94 per cent of cases their assailant was another man” it is clear that you are stuck in an old, genocentric paradigm that needs urgent revision. Mothers wield far more power and influence than the sexist bigots of the Anglosphere are prepared to acknowledge. It is the likes of you, with your twisted chivalry, that renders women invisible and inconsequential. Your 94% figure means 100% nothing without factoring in not only the nature of child abuse but also the degenerates, thugs and bad-boys that feature among women’s preferences. When women choose, they validate, they are accomplices in the benchmarks that men aspire to. These are the same benchmarks that women’s sons internalize. Your failure, Michael Flood, is ultimately the failure of the paradigm that you are stuck in. It’s a paradigm that has failed to apprehend the nature of culture, and how everyone’s lives are interconnected in what their culture stands for.

  • Bewildered

    ” All we have to do is fuck their shit up, then wake up tomorrow and do it again. They are powerless to stop it. ”

    Great mission goal ! The general public is in great need of some high voltage shock treatment to wake it up from its slumber.