Imagine that you are a fly on the wall of a private meeting. The attendees include a legislative lobbyist, an arts council member, a political writer, a bestselling novelist, a communications assistant for a national chamber of commerce, a web developer, a special education teacher and a child care worker.
What do you imagine you would hear in that meeting? Maybe plans to improve children’s education, especially those with special needs? Perhaps a call to mobilize resources to ensure school kids are not attending class hungry, or that they are safe from abuse and exploitation? Maybe you would hear concerns about the quality of education and school budgets during the global recession, or other problems faced by the upcoming and developmental generation of world citizens.
Well, one such meeting has been happening, conducted by well-placed individuals who fill the job descriptions listed above. But educational and welfare improvements were not the topics they discussed. The agenda of the meeting was the shared desire to abuse and murder children, to trap people in wooden buildings and blow them up, to throw children from, through, windows, to pursue infanticide and forced eugenics, and to seriously entertain and secretly pursue ways to exterminate half the population.
If you are waiting for a punch line, don’t.
Radfem Hub (Radfem is short for Radical Feminist), is a website featuring articles from well-known activists, many of whom are in significant real-world positions of political and social influence. The site has been the focus of some attention since Simon and Schuster novelist Pamela O’Shaughnessy, posting under the name Vliet Tiptree, penned an article there advocating human scientific experimentation and forced eugenics, in order to “extirpate” certain aspects of masculinity.
The publishers of Radfem Hub frequently profess and promote philosophical solidarity with the late Valerie Solanas, author of The Scum Manifesto, a violent ideologue who advocated the extermination of men. She also gunned down artist Andy Warhol, maiming him for life.
Some well-known figures are closely associated with the Radfem Hub. Loretta Kemsley, publisher of Moon Dance Magazine, which was given an award by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, is listed as having a “board presence” on her public profile there. Sheila Jeffreys, feminist author and professor at The University of Melbourne has a public presence there and frequently provides articles. Julie Bindle, author and columnist with The Guardian, a well read newspaper in the U.K., has also posted there. (see Wikipedia Links Below).
Underneath Radfem’s veneer of social consciousness, however, and hosted on the same website, is a private forum; the underbelly and engine room for the site as a whole. The discussions there, assumed to be out of the public eye, are virulent and hateful; often peppered with calls for violence. For a long time, they have been successful and maintaining both secrecy and anonymity. Until now.
Over the past several months an operative ,who will only be identified as Agent Orange, has successfully infiltrated the group and has collected trove of information, including over a hundred screen shots that document what can only be called the most shocking evidence of extreme hatred in the feminist movement seen to date.
Not only have these conversations been documented with screen shots but Agent Orange, with the help of an investigator, has tracked down the identities of several of these individuals. The confidence level of the information is compelling, and more is on the way.
Here is a portion of the individuals identified, along with some of their statements.
Danielle Pynnonen (screen name “Allecto”), a child care worker whose employer is unknown;
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Kat Pinder (screen name “Amazon Mancrusher”), a community development coordinator for the City of Perth in Australia and former U.K. Game show Big Brother contestant;
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Isabelle Moreira (screen name “Izzie”), a web developer in Curitiba, Brazil;
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Mary Syrett (screen name “Mary Sunshine”), a writer and member of the City of Kingston Arts Council in Ontario, Canada;
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Julie LeComte (screen name “Rain”), a communications assistant for the French-Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry in Australia;
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Lorraine Allen (screen name “White Tiger”), a special education teacher at The Center for Discovery Hurleyville, New York;
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Laila Namdarkhan (screen name “yabawife”), a well known feminist activist who was instrumental in passing legislation in the U.K. Regarding the mental health of women in prisons;
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And of course Pam O’Shaughnesey (screen name changed from “Vliet Tipree” to “karma”), an established writer, publisher and lawyer. In this post, the complete depravity of O’shaughnessy’s ideology shines though with a clear willingness for mass murder as a “last resort.”
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These screen shots represent just a sample the images and other data that document real people engaging in what can only be described as an orgy of gender hatred. What’s more, these are not individuals who live on the fringes of society. They are people who hold public offices, positions in academia and the media. Their voices and ideas are heard in legislatures all around the world and even in the chambers of the United Nations.
In the very near future, the complete body of data collected by Agent Orange will be made available to the public at large. This means that anyone interested learning more about these people and publicizing their own analyses on their blogs, Youtube channels or other media will be able to do so. It also means that interested members of the general public can voice their concerns regarding these individuals to the press, as well as anywhere these individuals may pose a direct threat, particularly to the welfare of children.
For a long time men’s advocates and others have tried to point out to politicians and the public that feminism was, at its heart, a movement rooted in hate. Those contesting this point of view claim that radical feminism isn’t recognized as legitimate by most feminists and that radical feminists aren’t taken seriously. This new information demonstrates those assumptions are false.
This data, and the mountains of it to soon follow, reveal that radical feminists with bigoted, violent leanings are thoroughly entrenched in the media, governmental and education systems worldwide, and that they are exerting their influence to further legislation and policy that reflects not only their hatred of men and boys, but a desire to put themselves in a position to inflict as much harm on them as possible.
I will be joining Paul Elam on AVfM Radio tomorrow night, when we will be speaking live with Agent Orange, who has a great deal more information and perspective on what has been happening at Radfem Hub. Another surprise guest will be appearing.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moondance_Magazine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Jeffreys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Bindel
http://radicalhub.wordpress.com/
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I am at a complete loss for words on this. There very well may not be any reasoning with people as irrational as this.
I’d suggest some electroshock therapy for them, but it probably wouldn’t work.
Nah, we should just lock them up in a dark concrete room and then throw away the key.
Who’s talking about reasoning with them? What can be gained from that? These people are clearly dedicated to their willful ignorance, their hate, & their violent supremacist ideology. I’ve debated enough of these scum-bags to learn its best to just for-go that useless endeavor before you even start.
Better to focus our efforts towards getting people like this immediately fired & publicly outed for their blatant, unmitigated bigotry. I don’t wish any physical harm or retributive violence on them or their families, but I want them to SUFFER. I want their careers & reputations forever destroyed.
Nobody THIS obviously hate-filled & bigoted should possess anywhere near the power & authority these people do. For certain, they shouldn’t be put in charge of caring for, or educating children & they definitely shouldn’t be allowed to earn a living off this.
I’m sure you agree.
They are definitely beyond reasoning. Keeping the public safe from them is the only sane solution. With any luck, their exposure will be enough to get the word out to the world.
How they can talk candidly about wanting to kill off men and still even think that we are the bad ones is beyond belief.
I want to echo
“complete loss for words”.
I’m sure there are several hundred people all reading and re-reading this right now, and not knowing what to say.
Just… just wow. Do expect a ton of links from all over the internet. This is going to be massive.
I have to say that I am not surprised at all. Who did you think we were dealing with? Bigoted haters of men and boys everywhere who won’t stop their monstrous campaign until we are all dead. Those women are no different than the Nazis that gathered together one day, behind closed doors, in order to plot the holocaust. They are dangerous, evil, snakes.
Atleast now we can try to out who is really in control of feminism, but I don’t think that most people will care. These comments will mostly just be fuel for current MRAs to keep up the fight.
Feminism is bigotry, in its purest, most refined form.
Well, if AVfM/Agent Orange got this, I’m sure the NSA/FBI did, too. Whether they will prosecute or investigate remains to be seen.
It is heartbreaking to grow to a stage in life and realize that all that “Sugar and spice” you were fed as a child was pure bullshit. This post was a Red Pill the size of a fucking basketball. It’s that hard to swallow, and yet that convincing that this is a war. People are actually planning to murder other people for their sex.
These evil whores are no better than Ed Gein or Adolph Eichmann.
They’ll probably investigate Agent Orange
Sadly Poster99 you are right.
Absolutely no doubt about it.
I am sure however that Agent Orange has taken the necessary precautions.
The NSA/FBI, no doubt not only know about this, they support it.
Feminists have always been useful idiots, and will remains so.
A divide and conquer strategy if you will. Laws are enacted with feminist support and initially used solely against men to remove rights and freedoms handing ever more power to these organisations.
These laws are often couched in gender neutral terms to sound less offensive. The kicker is once enacted they will then be used against the very feminists that sponsor such laws aswell. It is done slowly lest the useful idiots catch on to their own culpability in their own destruction along with that of society in general.
This is why I have always said that one tactic of FTSU must include brave men using these laws designed to outlaw men against women. If alcohol consumption =`s rape, go get drunk, get laid and insist that the woman be charged as a rapist. This is where the bravery and perseverance comes in, initially you will have to fight tooth and nail to have the charges laid and conviction rendered. You will be moving outside of the desired timeline and causing these harlots to recognise their own foolishness.
This removes a weapon from the arsenal, the useful idiots will then be useless to the other enemies of the people and will no longer have `protected status`, making them easier to permanently hobble as a fringe group of crazy fanatics.
Oh, this is good. This is real good.
Agent Orange, whoever and wherever you are, I can’t thank you enough for the craftiness and dedication you have displayed here. I aim to make this a part of my letter-writing campaign, and to turn this into one hell of a blow to feminism.
I’m not stopping until every last one of these women has lost their jobs.
Quite clearly, Feminism is a mental illness unless you believe Satan exists.
Wow! A child care worker referring to the male children as little fuckers and Mr. Rape Threat. How can anyone hate children like that? How can anyone be THAT FUCKING EVIL? I hope this gets a lot of public attention.
“How can anyone hate children like that? How can anyone be THAT FUCKING EVIL?”… and be allowed anywhere near them?
I am in no doubt that this level of male hatred is endemic and very deeply rooted in the domain of the public and social services in the west. Not just that, but it is a desired feature, welcomed by those who wield the power in our society. The bearers of this power are, of course, the usual suspects: feminists. For the sake of our children we must purge the evil force that is feminism from all areas of our life.
Yeah I had to deal with these type of bitches as social workers when I was a single Dad and also when I tried to get some marriage counceling. Its amazing the amount of damage they can cause even to their own gender when they try to stick a wrench in things. They went out of their way to wreck a marriage wich was already suffering from way too much female selfishness and tried to take my daughter from me over and over again because they couldn’t stand to see a Man do a better job as Parent. I was actually surprised when it all first started. I thought “child protective services” was supposed to protect children. How naive!
Oh.My.Goodness.
Good hustle Agent Orange and Robert. Thank you for bringing this into the spotlight and I will certainly be writing a letter or two over Christmas.
Ps. You have typos on Lucy Nicholas: should be Uni of Edinburgh and Uni of Portsmouth.
http://www.sociology.ed.ac.uk/research_students/nicholas_lucy
Amazing work, congratulations.
It’s really hard to believe how these women can be so evil, yet so stupid.
Don’t evil and stupid pretty much go hand in hand tho?
After all, any stupid, undisciplined asshole can be evil, it’s really no effort at all. Look at just about any feminist and its words and actions, for an excellent example of evil stupidity.
It takes intelligence and self control ( among many, many other virtues) to walk the straight and narrow.
Single file only, Men!
Safety first…
Still reading the article but noticed some errors.
Edenburough – is Edinburgh.
I don’t really know what to say. Agent Orange has done great work for the MRM. I really admire the united effort that has been made between the different parts of the MRM to get this information out, coordinating and forming alliance between the different areas is essential to acheiving justice and equality for men.
Have any Fathers rights blogs chosen to post this? I’m not really involved with that struggle directly but hopefully someone here who is could pass word along.
Loss for words is an understatement.
It hurts on a deep, deep level inside to read this.
At first I got angry, but as it grew worse…I don’t know..
-I’m just really, really sad it has come to this.
I thought there was hope, but no…-No hope.
That’s all from me for tonight.
Sorry about that, people.
Any remaining part of a white knight in me fell off the horse and broke his neck last night. I still seemed to be able to be surprised over the depth of hatred, though I should know better by now.
I won’t make that mistake again.
I have no doubt that all these women have degrees in some form of liberal arts.
Or law.
And, sorry, but this does not surprise me a bit.
I have met women like this my entire life.
The depravity and lurid display of hatred makes me physically ill.
Oh, and a special hello to Lucy Nicholas. You said, in your disgusting rant, after acknowledging there were laws against your hateful and dangerous speech, “But I should be safe [to talk] here in a private forum.”
Well, not so much. In fact, you will never be safe from the light of day again. I am willing to spend the rest of my life making sure of it.
Gents and ladies, I suggest letters to a couple of Uni’s, complete with image attachments and links to this article.
You got it.
Oh, and there are many more articles to come. There are individuals we have not gotten to….yet
http://i.imgur.com/jq6F3.png
WOW!!!
This beats the crap out of anything I might find under the tree this year!
What a Christmas season it’s turning out to be so far!!!
There aren’t enough ways to say thanks for this, so
Merry Christsmas to all and Cheers!!!!
Here comes Santa Paul, here comes Santa Paul right down FTSU lane…
Holy crap!
A significant amount of these misandric dirtbags are teachers and/ or have degrees.
Utterly disgusting.
As I said, my guess is they ALL have degrees – in liberal arts.
I agree, but I think it’s much worse than that.
Organizations such as the aauw are pushing for every single category to be dominated by feminist women.
We are currently seeing a substantial increase of feminist scientists.
Yes, “feminist” scientists. “Scientists” who completely discard the scientific method when something doesn’t fit the model of their cult.
The kind of people who try and push scientific data that electrons, protons, neutrons, etc. are “patriarchal” entities.
Tangible progress, factual, and ethical research is under attack in all areas.
WHAT.THE.FUCK. Really?.
Here is fun article as an intro,
http://menstribune.com/atom.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ai66987jzRkC&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=feminism+and+the+periodic+table&source=bl&ots=fVtAsUUTma&sig=eNOK1Mi5013sUB8EJSlAQjF0U_8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=u3brTp3xDIXu0gGm5NCqCQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=feminism%20and%20the%20periodic%20table&f=false
A couple of commentaries on this subject,
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ai66987jzRkC&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=feminism+and+the+periodic+table&source=bl&ots=fVtAsUUTma&sig=eNOK1Mi5013sUB8EJSlAQjF0U_8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=u3brTp3xDIXu0gGm5NCqCQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=feminism%20and%20the%20periodic%20table&f=false
http://menstribune.com/atom.htm
oops, sorry. i didn’t think the first one took.
– Contributors here are at a loss for words? I’m at a loss for words over that.
Wasn’t Solanas locked up in a nut house for her lead part in advocating “cutting up men”? And perhaps there was good reason for this – maybe she truly was bonkers rather than posing as such as an excuse for attempted murder for a pussy pass away from culpability.
As for the others, identified above, – they may very well be of the same company as Solanas. But they all have the perfect cover for the insanity – responsible looking public positions.
– I do not know so much about elsewhere, but in Canada, where I reside, public officials can not be sued for any involvement with repressive damage inflicting policy making. If any of these creatures were to inhabit any Canadian bureaucracy they would have immediate and automatic indemnification. But on a more positive note, the court of public opinion could pressure other bureaucrats to fire such a scourge. With a spotlight shone upon these ? ‘people’ ? maybe termination from their employment is on an inevitable path.
Thank you Mr. O’Hara for the investigative journalism. You’ve helped restore in me some confidence for reporters.
Kat Pinder???
Read this little gem about her Big Brother TV appearance.
http://katpinder.blogspot.com/
A quote from the blog: Victor said, as he nominated Kitten to lose her suitcase: “She’s not all there mentally, she’s mentally more at risk than the last slice of pizza at the celebrity fat farm club.”
This woman is dangerous to all of society, not just men and boys. Whew!
This is one of THE most ironic things about rad fem lesbians who preach the gospel of male violence and female victimhood. The domestic violence rate among lesbian couples are going through the fucking roof and at very rapid pace, yet the feminist movement as a whole have made great strides in keeping it in silence.
I read a comment made by a youtuber that made a great point. Women like this want to take the absolute worse traits of men and expand on them. Women like this, rather they want to admit it or not, take the very stereotype that they place on men, and apply it to their own personal traits as part of their everyday life. They mirror what they say they “hate” to the letter.
In previous times, such people would have been residents in lunatic asylums. I used to think such places were a bad thing. Now I’m not so sure!
As I read some of the disgusting posts I thought- wow it’s almost like a sci-fi movie. Only this isn’t a movie. These soulless freaks are sickening. Can anyone think of a time when a group of men from around the world were caught discussing the killing off of females? Much thanks to everyone who played a hand in uncovering these snakes.
I’m not the least surprised, in fact, I believe this is the very smallest tip of the iceberg. I have beleived for a long time…….you show me a feminist…..and I’ll show you a person that wishes to do harm to men and boys. There are no exceptions, only degrees.
Of course, I recognize that there are women and men who call themselves feminists…..who are not feminists…..those that have the most superficial understanding of feminism…..and know nothing about the movement except the sugar coated dictionary meanings and soft fluffy propaganda.
Seriosly, if someone was to uncover and publish details of a plot tomorrow, involving dozens of high profile female politicians, where serious meetings were being held and serious plans being formed to enslave, torture, and murder men and boys……….my reaction would be…….tell me something I don’t know.
Thank you so much Agent Orange for making my statements that I make occassionally likening feminists to Nazis….more believable to more people…….this is a really really big and jagged red pill to swallow…..but it’s true.
I would go as far as to say that practically all feminists in positions high and lofty, of significant influence are involved in plans to dehumanize men and boys and make them suffer. Think not…….what do you think VAWA is……what do you think Dear Colleage is about……what do you think false rape culture is about…….what do you think the false DV epidemic is about…..these are just the workings of a group of depraved, murderous sickos, trying…and succeeding in getting their policies peddled to the public as something other then it is.
And there are those that live in the matix, plugged into their pods….and they are our enemies too…..untill they unplug and wake up.
Wow, this is amazing work. Great job AgentOrange.
I trust that the necessary work has been done to confirm their identities, but if we’re going to embark on a letter writing campaign to expose them to their co-workers and supervisors then we need a more detailed dossier showing the link between their real name and their online persona.
Agreed Denis.
I have done a cursory look up on Mary Syrett from Kingston. I was born there and have a few contacts but can not find much on her. Not even on the Kingston Arts Council website though as I said it has been cursory. I will get out my widgets and my Li, err, my other computer and do some digging.
still looking too, found a pdf from 2005 kingston town council meeting. on page five it lists her address as;
her name pops up a few times in relation to kingston’s waterfront parks etc.
[admin edit: please do not post anyone's address on the site without management approval. Thank you]
We are going to look at preparing a summary of that, and some details will be divulged in a few minutes on the show, but we also want to be careful not to publish a training manual for them on how not to get caught.
Tough balance, but we will figure something out.
Perhaps it might be better not to divulge the methods at all….in public. You have the proof, and that’s good enough. If any of these women want to deny that they are these people, they could always step forward……with there lawyers…..and give this campaign a great deal of publicity
I agree with Stu. Give them nothing.
The media won’t touch it. Quite a catch 22.
Let’s pull all this filth into the sunlight and burn it clean. Nothing harms feminism worse than public examination.
Turn on the lights…..the cockroaches scatter. I love it!
I literally feel ill reading this. The most important part of this post is showing that these people are in respectable positions of power and authority in society. People will discount these comments as rantings and ravings of lunatics, but they cannot discount it when shown that these people are on arts councils, child care workers(!), lawyers, scholars, professors, writers, etc. This is serious business. Really important article, Robert. I salute AVFM for putting this information out there.
I am PISSED.
Evil, outrageous statements from feminasties suckling at the public teat.
Kingston, On is about 2.5 hours away from me.
If you could forward all pertinent information re: “Mary Syrett (screen name “Mary Sunshine”), a writer and member of the City of Kingston Arts Council in Ontario, Canada;” to me I will gladly engage in a poster campaign in her own backyard. Universities, museums, bars, telephone poles, theatres, nothing will be off limits and I will use a good dose of 3M Super77 glue so they won’t come off without a fight.
Hell, combined with her cronies statements I believe it is time to contact my MP regarding having radical feminism listed as a hate group/potential terror threat. Advocating poisoning food to produce only female children makes Orwell’s 1984 seem downright utopian.
These women should be locked in a looneybin following any incarceration for any crimes of counselling to commit illegal acts they may be charged with. These people seem to actually believe violence is the solution.
Thank you, I will make good use of this information.
With my ducks in a row I will be untouchable although I really hope she does raise a stink because I will not hide that I did this or who I am. Any effort she makes to punish me will be nothing more than free publicity for the MRM.
cant wait for the radio show tonight should be a good one based on this
I feel identical to Kimski. Just … unbelievable.
I’m not at a loss for words. I have plenty to say and will do my utmost to articulate my disgust to the colleagues, employers and associates of these vile women – including the parents of the “little fuckers” in Ms Pynnonen’s precarious care.
I urge everyone to maintain the highest degree of Fidelboglian rhetorical discipline in our correspondence. Radfems can play the distraught victims of ‘patriarchal aggression’ better than anyone. Focus on the danger that these violent, child-hating bigots pose to the community at large, and to boys and men in particular.
Poor Jenna Meyers Karvunidis. Looks like Register-her.com’s Bigot Wing just got a whole lot creepier at night. Sleep tight, Ms K. With time served, you only have to be there for…um…eternity. How predictable that Pamela O’Shaughnessy remains mired in this cesspit of unhinged malevolence. She is recalcitrance personified.
I don’t know Agent Orange’s identity, but as far as I’m concerned, he’s my Secret Santa.
To all those who are on Facebook, please join with me in flagging their FB page as a hate movement:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/RadFem-HUB/237868122941729
Right away, sir. (Done.)
This group goes beyond disgusting. We might have heard Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler discussing their own “Final Solution” in comparable terms.
I am sad for my nephews who will have to live in this world that is being created by such S.C.U.M.!
Taken care of.
Done, with pleasure.
http://tinypic.com/r/ztccqc/5
I checked their page and your post is GONE. They sure don’t like the light of day, do they?
Done.
Done. Flagged as Hate Speech that targets a particular gender or orientation. I doubt the trendy liberals at facebook will do anything though. It’ll be the same shit as with YouTube!
Done
Commented on the stupidity and reported.
Editorial comment:
This story is a huge deal and it is very important that every MRA does everything they can to expand awareness of it outside the sphere of the MRM. I call on everyone who has a blog or Youtube account to make note of it and supply a link. Also, try to contact people in the media outside of the manosphere who might be interested in exposing these people by featuring this story. The name that primarily comes to my mind is Matt Drudge of the Drudge Report. He has long had a reputation of being a fringe journalist whom people take seriously. His website gets 4 million views a day on average. If we had just one mention on his website that would be a huge deal. His email is drudge@drudgereport.com
Also think of any talk radio show hosts that you may follow or have a rapport with or just send this link to any news source you think would pay attention to it. Either way, it is very very important that the exposure of these people does not end at the boundaries of the MRM.
Robert O’Hara, AVFM News Editor
Done. Just emailed Mr. Drudge too.
Sent a brief message (with the URL of this article) to Mark Levin. I listen to him evenings, on my way home from emptying and selling my Dear Auntie’s house, and he sounds like less of a mangina than some of the other conservative talk-show hosts out there….
Done
Don’t forget the guy that coined the term “FemiNazi” as well… I sure he’ll get a kick out of being proven right..
Just added the link to this article on my website. Great work Robert and Agent Orange. Much appreciated.
I wish I could say that any of this surprises me, but I just can’t. I’ve known women like this and a previous commenter was correct in saying there is no point in debating them. When all you know is hate, nothing else can get through…especially reason.
Well Said. Glad to see someone formally calling out Rad Fem. A bunch of very bad actors.
Almost all of this feminist bullshit started and has germinated in our university systems. That is why we’re seeing the feminist lobby so powerful right now. Remember 50% of law students are now women and around 90% of PhD candidates in psychology are now women. Most universities start the man bashing indoctrination as early as their Freshman English classes and it gets worse from there.
If you really want to get a headache take a look at the National Women’s Studies Association website at
http://www.nwsa.org
Unbelievable. If you have the patience to wade through some of their white papers you’ll find that they are not shy about their stated goal to “redefine masculinity”. I guess I always sensed that was their goal just didn’t think they’d be quite so overt about it.
It should also come as no surprise that much of the early virulent man-hating was authored by radical lesbian gender feminists like Mary Daly, Andrea Dworkin and Solanas. The hetero feminist chicks didn’t call bullshit on their radicalism and it took root in academia and culturally. Since feminists have encountered nothing but success in their demands over the past forty years someone, like the MRM, is going to have to take them on.
In case any of you missed the memo, lesbian gender feminists don’t just not like men, they Truly Hate Them. It might be a good approach to turn around the “Hate Speech” strategy that the GLBT crew has been using so effectively over the past several years on the feminists.
If anyone still doubted that we are in a figurative death match with these morons then review these two sites on a regular basis and it will clarify the issue for you.
A stunning piece of work. Kudos to any and all who were and are involved in bringing this particular piece of the evil into the light.
I have to say, though, that I’m not at all surprised by a bit of this. It’s how feminists think; it’s an expression of their soul. Though she hides it somewhat, I’d bet this is exactly how Hillary Clinton thinks and feels.
Very related to this: Have people paid attention to the status of the National Defense Authorization Act? It’s no exaggeration to say that it is enormously important. The House and Senate have passed it, and Obama says he’ll sign it into law. In one feel swoop it will “suspend the right to due process, the right to a trial by a jury of an accuser’s peers (my note — that should be ‘the accused’s peers’), and the right to habeas corpus.” What will happen if the likes of Hillary Clinton, or for that matter Obama, has this power while having the attitude toward men and boys displayed by the women of this AVfM essay? Perhaps the Supreme Court will overturn it, but I’m not particularly sanguine about that likelihood.
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/9200-white-house-backs-off-ndaa-veto-threats
A few of these quotes stand out to me.
Lorraine Allen/White Tiger: Okay, I’ll agree that it’s incredibly inappropriate and more than a little disturbing for one nine-year-old to say that to another nine-year-old, but do you really think that the boy truly understands what he’s saying? Kids repeat things all the time without knowing how messed up it is. You don’t throw the kid out the window, you take him aside and explain to him what rape is (as much as is appropriate for a nine-year-old) so that he understands why saying that kind of thing’s likely to get his ass handed to him in a few years. But that would be reasonable, and we can’t have that, can we?
Isabelle Moreira/Izzie: Please stop reinforcing the man-hating lesbian stereotype. It’s really, really annoying to the lesbians who aren’t completely insane.
Lucy Nicholas/Luckynkl: If I follow you correctly, we’re simultaneously born as blank slates that are in no way, shape, or form influenced by biology AND born with an inherent violent streak? I…I don’t get…ugh. Excuse me while I go beat my head against a wall until that makes sense. Or I get a concussion. Whichever comes first (my money’s on the concussion).
This conversation between 9 year-olds never took place. To have said this, a 9 year-old boy would have had to understand the the 9 year-old girl rejected him and that his next step was to use force. He used the disturbing statement in proper context. I don’t think a 9 year-old is sophisticated enough for this. Further, I don’t think 9 year-old boys like girls yet. Doesn’t that come around 11, 12 year-old?
You’re assuming the boy was, as you put it, sophisticated enough to understand what he was saying when he could have just been mimicking someone else. For example, he overhears his teenage brother saying the same thing to a girl he likes as a joke (of questionable taste). Nine-year-old boy mimics his older brother either without understanding that his brother meant it as a joke or, if he got that his brother was joking, he thinks that everyone else will assume it’s a joke when he says it. He doesn’t fully grasp what he’s saying, but he knows from watching his older brother that the “proper context” is to say it to a girl he likes. As for nine-year-old boys not liking girls yet, people mature at different rates. Yeah, there’s a general trend, but there are going to be outliers, so it’s not impossible for a nine-year-old boy to have a crush on a girl. Or it could be another case of mimicry. He sees that older boys/men he wants to be like have girlfriends, so he wants a girlfriend too.
Let me give a simpler example of what I’m talking about. I found a clip on YouTube of a little girl, roughly sixteen months old, mimicking her mother yelling on the telephone. I tried to link to it, but for some reason the link wouldn’t stick. Anyway, in this case, the little girl mimics as best she can her mother saying “fuck” by screaming “buck.” The girl doesn’t understand what “fuck” means or why it’s considered inappropriate, but she learned from watching her mother that one proper context to use it is on the phone. If you want to see a clip of this, just type “little girl mimics mother on telephone” into YouTube and you’ll find either that specific clip or a similar one.
For what it’s worth, I would like to believe that this was just a made up story, and I wouldn’t be too surprised if that were the case. Unfortunately, when I think of all the stupid things I’ve seen/heard people say (see the quotes in the above article as examples), I can’t fully dismiss it as fiction either.
We also have to consider that the entire event could have been nothing other than the misandric imaginings of an unstable woman.
I’ve done a little digging, and there is another Lorraine Allen near NY, in NJ who is the regional director of the College of New Jersey Small Business Development Center. She also maintains a e-zine wannabe blog whose name alone sets my feminist-dar off. The stories on it are of the watered down feminism type though.
http://www.empowerdames.com/
There are several possibilities from this. The NJ Lorraine may be the one from the radfem hub,claiming to work for the Center for Discovery but really not. It is also very possible that there are more than one Lorraine Allen’s in the New England area with one being a radfem and the other being a fem lite.
I’m not sure which possibility I find more unnerving, a boy being lead to think that saying that is okay or someone making it up entirely. They’re different kinds of disturbing.
Yes I thought the whole story was probably bullshit too. Just another man hater that will spin any crap to justify her animosity towards males, and to get other to share that animosity.
I’ve basically just described what feminist do……all th
ey do…..and you agreed with me…..in fact……you thought of it first…..you are learning.
It’s times like these that I am reminded that there may well be no limit to the depth of disgust I can feel.
I’ve not read the posts as yet but I’ll guess it I’m not the only one here who isn’t surprised.
Mildew, rust, pond slime, decay and eruptive pustulence are all to be expected somewhere, in fact anywhere in the world, and is not irregular. I’m putting to you that this wriggling hatred is in perfect step with all things normal also.
We are given with this fine article (and thank you Mr O’Hara and Mr Orange) a Kodak moment of the colour and stripe of it’s belly whereas before we knew of it only in a dank shadow.
Now that a light has been shone their way, I can’t imagine it’s going to be Brady Bunch decency and lazy smiles all around when next they huddle. In fact I’m picturing a cluster of startled eyes on the dainty, slitty eyes on the deeply paranoid and all of it to the sound of a funeral dirge.
Ah see, now don’t you love the power of the light ?
I’m with you Dr. F, I was not surprised at all. I’ve known it for years. I witnessed it first hand. I’ve experienced a lot of it. Fortunately I lived through it.
Dr. F you said “the colour and stripe of it’s belly”. Don’t you mean the colour and shape of the scales on their spineless, cold-hearted, reptilian backs?
I have already set up a blog which will keep track of information that is sent to me and others, by Agent Orange. All articles on the web that includes any information about the RADFEM Hub will be included..
Anyone who comes across any article, please forward via the comment section on that blog..
http://radfemhubexposed.blogspot.com/
Good Effort. Bookmarked.
I just read the articles and listened to the broadcast and I just have to say awesome work Agent Orange. I’m sure that the monsters discussed in this article will be seething at the thought of being outed.
Sorry I haven’t been commenting as much as I used to. College has been a pain.
Now might be a good time to refresh ourselves with Adam Kostakis’ essays on the eventual outcome of feminism, which he contends is the feminist inspired call for the extermination of the male population.
The Eventual Outcome of Feminism, Part I
http://gynotheory.blogspot.com/2011/03/eventual-outcome-of-feminism-part-i.html
The Eventual Outcome of Feminism, Part II
http://gynotheory.blogspot.com/2011/03/eventual-outcome-of-feminism-part-ii.html
The show blew me away – awesome work to all concerned. Now down to pragmatics – one of you guys (JOT?) suggested we contact the British MP Dominic Raab as he has tried to raise the issue of the damage that pernicious feminism does before. Here are his contact details:
Dominic Raab MP
House of Commons
Westminster
London SW1A 0AA
Tel: 0207 219 3000
email: dominic.raab.mp@parliament.uk
Also we have an excellent investigative journalistic TV series called “Panorama” on the BBC – I suggest contacting them too as they are always asking for ideas for their future shows here is their email address: panorama.reply@bbc.co.uk
I have emailed both already but the more voices that add to this the harder it will be to ignore.
Ohh I nearly forgot – TWITTER and a liberal use of hashtags – just a hint
Lots of media contacts here
http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/media-contacts/
4th Wave Radical Feminism – Taking it to the next level, extermination.
This is an explosive story for any media willing to expose the violent nature of radical fourth wave feminism. You will be subject to dissent for even discussing it, but you will also attract a lot of attention.
Valerie Solanas [1] was ahead of her time when she openly advocated male genocide, but now a new group of professional women [2] in influential positions have been exposed for their active discussion of male abortion, tampering with food supplies, genetic manipulation and suppressing the y-chromosome.
Although an extreme minority in their radical fantasies, the more common problem of mainstream gender feminism is reflected in their values:
“gender feminists tend to see conventional masculinity as a pathology and the source of much of what is wrong in the world”
-Christina Hoff Sommers[3]
Please contact for further corroborating evidence and details of this groundbreaking story:
Paul Elam, A Voice for Men
P.O. Box 301172, Houston,TX77230
http://www.avoiceformen.com
e-mail: avoiceformen@yahoo.com
[1] http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-scum-connection/
[2} http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/radfem-hub-the-underbelly-of-a-hate-movement/
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2011/12/16/special-edition-agent-orange
[3] http://www.aei.org/files/2008/11/19/20090108_ContemporaryFeminism.pdf
Thanks for the template Denis.
I’ve sent copies to the following current affairs TV programs here in New Zealand:
Close Up (TVNZ)
60 Minutes (TV3)
Campbell Live (TV3)
20-20 (TVNZ)
Sunday (TVNZ)
I cannot believe what I am reading over there… I had to change my shoes. lol
I’m going to be a fly on the wall now.
I may have to leave this shoe there, however.
Forever stuck in someone’s mouth.
Beautifully done Agent Orange.
BA
Heartfelt thanks to Agent Orange. Fantastic!
I’d like to suggest a name for this expose.
RADFEMGATE!
These are some seriously unhinged women.
Well done, Agent Orange
I totally condone this opproach to expose the extremities that these vile creatures will go to. I’ve done exactly the same myself to expose a cheating ex-girlfriend a couple of years back. After all, it’s like being your own private detective.
I had text messages from another mobile phone I used, and had MSN messenger conversations to boot. And she was totally exposed in every sense of the word.
As a ten year old boy back in 1969, I was in a care home because of the problems in my family’s domestic situation. I would spend some weekends at home, and on one occasion remember being taken there by a care worker – female – who spent a long time chatting to my ‘mother’. I don’t know why, but I sensed the tone of their chat to be anti me, as a boy; perhaps I had an acute sensitively born of the experiences I have commented on in other articles at AVfM, but I became aware that the person who was entrusted to care for me was actually also hostile.
Hostility, bordering on hatred was taking hold even then. By the great work of those here dedicated to eliminating the scourge of feminism, we can see how deep the well of hatred goes, and who contaminated it’s waters are.
In the expose of their activities above, we can see that there is a significant band of women who occupy positions of influence and power, and who are aided and abetted by their fluffier soft-fem sisters – with their omnipotent feminist worldview – and are ramping up the pressure in their hate fuelled to attack on men and boys.
I hope we are successful in eliminating their toxic beliefs, because they have clearly shown us what the consequences of our failure will be, and they are just too awful to contemplate.
“All it will take for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.”
This is astonishing news. Can’t wait to see this stuff turn up in the mainstream media. Once this hits the broadsheets people are going to be looking twice at the angry feminist at the water cooler.
I am not even that surprised by this, which is depressing.
I was banned from the radfem hub for not joining in with a love-in for Sheila Jeffreys a while ago.
The thing it illustrates for me, is how the MRAs are often defending themselves and men from this kind of hatred, they are not the ‘aggressors’ (even though I don’t agree with everything they say). It is feminism which has produced this antagonism between the sexes I believe.
I’m sure many “ex-feminists” will support/join the MRM as they’re shown to the dark side of the moon, Q Girl.
And with the quotes I mean many learned people let themselves be driven to think feminism was humanism.
People like you are now helping to open the curtains.
If you were a member or radfem hub, then I take it you were a feminist and have been a member of numeruos anti male hate clubs over time. If you have parted ways with that hateful ideology, perhaps you could be of service to the MRM……with all those contacts that you might have and all?
Stu, QRG is a well known non-feminist. She is targetted by the general feminist kabal, and she has been banned at several feminist locations for defending men and challenging feminist dogma. She’s also written a lot on misandry.
HI Stu – I’m not a member of the radfem hub I just went onto the blog to challenge Sheila Jeffreys. Probably it was a waste of time.
I’m not really in the business of ‘outing’ people – I use a pseudonym online and wouldn’t want someone to do it to me in retaliation.
But yes Alex below has said I write about this stuff on my blog:
http://www.quietgirlriot.wordpress.com
and http://www.graunwatch,wordpress.com
QRG
Appreciate your input. Seems to me that you are truly seeking the truth and fairness. If so you’ll always be welcome to hang with us.
If you can help us in better understanding where the Red Hot Hate comes from that would be even better.
This will get into the mainstream news, to much information and way too much facts wise about people in positions of power, its newsworthy .
Hope you are right.
I sincerely hope so too, Scatters…
I’ve already sent off at least ten emails to major media sources throughout the UK.
Myself as well here in Canada. A copy and paste from the list provided by AVFM and woosh out to the MRM. Let us see if they have the guts.
I knew this rang a bell. Reminded me of this:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=16872
Full bunch of flowers from the horror store, aren’t they?!?
I started seeing exemples of different kinds of abuse perpetrated from moms, in internet videos, wondering if I’d use them in some presentation about the bigotry of ppl who think men are the monsters… but I soon stopped.
It made me remember when I was a teen and a friend told me he found pedo sites. I went to his home fast, full of heroic sense of cyber civism. I accessed the sites, which brought me to many many other sites. Made a list and sent to the police.
I was sick for a week. And very sad when I realized the sites, hosted abroad, kept multiplying anyway. Punked!
Moral for me: We got to fight shit, yeah. But fight it RIGHT.
This is very good investigative journalism. Thumbs up to Agent Orange.
Essentially, from what I see, we’ve got a coven of hard-core haters doing verbal masturbation with their air-partners. Nothin’ new there, but it needs to be documented.
Neither Justice nor the Feminist-soaked media will touch this, until it becomes ‘news’ and ‘controversy’ in their area of the social network.
Perhap, to achieve that, concentrate on the employers of these lunatics. If it’s a school board, write to the Board and cite the offending materials, with request to know whether these views are official and are being enacted on the job. Similarly, all other ‘employers’ can and must be contacted, including the State Welfare Office. Contact professional associations or unions they may be part of.
If you have the horrific bad luck to live in the same neighborhood, it might be your duty to let your neighbors know about this. There is nothing the law can do to prevent the spread of validated information among concerned people, but be careful not to characterize these monsters as monsters. Just let the people use their own words for it.
Of particular interest will be the relationships, private or professional, that these lesbians have with children, and especially male children. You might ask the local version of Child Protection for an opinion on custody or caregiving or mentoring which these criminals-in-waiting currently enjoy. This can be beneficial in many ways, first, by cutting off their putative sources of income, and second, by generating the kind of attention that the media might find difficult to ignore.
Finally, if the offender is employed at a post-secondary, make arrangement to provide free publicity for her views and organize reasonable, not threatening, confrontations with her in appropriate venues.
I can not seem to find the words to express my outrage at these animals masquerading as legitimate people.
I can only offer my deepest gratitude to
” Agent Orange ” , Bob and everyone else who worked on this project.
I find some measure of peace knowing that the girls at radfem will not be sleeping easily at night due to the fact that they have been exposed to the world for their hateful ways.
Thank you again all who worked at exposing these animals.
This is for you goddamned harpies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLBpLz5ELPI
We’ll FTSU brothers!
Could not, I repeat, COULD NOT have put it any better myself.
If you don’t mind, I’d like to make my own musical tribute to these walking piles of malignancy.
And on that note: See you in Hell, you Radfem dirtbags!
If you see Solanas down there, tell her that Zarathos022 sends his regards.
I belong to another Men’s rights forum and I’ve been lurking on this forum for a while. After reading this post I decide to register and not lurk anymore. I am shocked. This is just absolute madness. Some of those women need to be fired from their jobs immediately. You can’t teach little boys while harboring thoughts like the one’s that were expressed in the Radfem forum. I’m anxiously anticipating the outcome.
They Live.
Maybe someone should post this on some of the more recent post from Anonymous on Facebook.
I’m not able to do it myself, and this is right up their alley.
I’m encouraging the evil patriarchy to cover/link regarding this incredibly disturbing story.
The more visibility, the better.
At least this gruesome article has a happy ending. Meaning, of course, the part where Agent Orange is going to publicly out this sociopathic, radioactive scum for everything they’re worth.
I hawk a spit on the wall facing Harvard when I read something like this. Sometimes I hawk a spit on Harvard.
Nevertheless: Superb job, Bob. And thank you, Agent O, thank you.
To everything else associated with this article: Fuck you. See you in Hell, you maggot-filled shit.
I have friends in the Uni of Edinburgh Students association so this has been passed to them .
I think the mothers of boys they teach would be the most likely to file a complaint.
If there were some way to get the news to them, like a penny saver or other add based home periodical.
The local news would bury it like they did with Thomas Ball.
facebook. once its out most of the institutions have pages, good way to get the data out .
It is a remarkable progress, but isn’t this would make radfem hub harder to infiltrate in the future and make feminist more wary of MRA’s tactics? I think this should be kept secret within the MRA’s until the radfem hub is completely disappearing from the internet.
i see where you are coming from, but this is something that has to be released as quickly as possible, this could even be used to contact the isp to get the site removed.
You can never eradicate all hate. There is always going to be the radical elements that are pushing some brand of smut. You’re missing the bigger picture here, though. These women have links with other hate mongers that are as yet unexposed. By having access to some of them, more of the trash can be rooted out and exposed to the light.
You need to also remember just how much mainstream feminism is influenced by radical feminism. More and more moderate feminists are going to start seeing the chains of reasoning behind their own principles connecting with their radfem counterparts, and will pull away from feminism altogether. Some might even join the fight against feminism because of this. Enlightened former enemies make strong allies.
Still trying to figure out WTF to say about all of this.
In the meantime, Breitbart.com would make an excellent outlet for this.
Bill O’reilly as well.
also mumsnet:
http://www.mumsnet.com/
Now, there’s a good angle:
Parents, does your day care provider secretly hate your child just because he’s a boy?
Not surprised. I wonder what more rationalizations feminists will give us to try to prove that psycho bullshit sites like radfem hub is only their “fringe”. It seems that no amount of evidence is going to get people to realize that these people aren’t the “fringe”. That the feminists who have authority in the west are bigoted nutjobs and that the policy that they’re pushing is based off of their bigotry. There is so much evidence of this that it’s laughable to think otherwise. It isn’t JUST a stereotype that feminists hate men. It’s a fucking REALITY!
Words don’t do justice to my reaction to that article. Kudos to Robert O’Hara, Agent Orange and Paul. Amazing stuff that absolutely needs to get out to the general public. I do worry that the general public is so anti-male already that they will simply shrug. Lord knows if it was men plotting to kill women the men would be hammered.
Fuck sake what a development.
The evil patriarchy is getting on board with this:
http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/radical-feminism-still-exists/
http://veritasaculeus.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/have-you-heard-about-the-radfems/
To ALL,
QuietRiotGirl may be an agent, gathering info. Beware.
In general, all (apparently) female contributors should be viewed with this same caution.
It’s a public forum that anyone can gather info. QRG is well known. Are you new here?
Denis,
QRG might be an MRA and for that I appreciate her presence. Her writing does rub me the wrong way though. It appears that her writing is intellectual masturbation about everything masculine being repressed homosexuality. Maybe I’m just not getting it, but I don’t get it. I still don’t know if I’m just stupid or if she actually writes with no clear objectives or conclusions.
Ally, maybe … fan, no.
C’mon M8, you could be Gloria Steinem for all we know. Public venue and what, you can choose any screen name you like. It isn’t like the Cadre of Evil Female Oppressors is going to announce here our, ummm, I mean their diabolical plot to infuse sex toys and sanitary hand wash with mind altering chemicals in order to turn women into our, I mean their brainwashed slaves.
“In general, all (apparently) female contributors should be viewed with this same caution.”
On the one hand, I get what you’re saying. I think it’s bullshit, but I get it. On the other, wouldn’t any female contributor who was an “agent” looking for dirt most likely try to hide the fact that she’s female, making that policy pointless?
Yeah. And I think that strangers that are promoting paranoia and military type behavior and tactics, represent much more of a threat than known allies like Quiet Riot Girl.
It IS a war after all.
Yeah it is a rhetorical war, but it would be self defeating to act like an illegal group, we are not paramilitaries. Nothing of the sort. If someone is inviting us to sound like a paramilitary group, we could well be being manipulated.
I think we were attacked a few weeks ago, you might remember that two strangers started up a conversation that would have made us look like nuts, and Paul and John had to boot them.
@Eoghan: Precisely. Which is why we must maintain a war-like mentality, while avoiding a rhetoric that might suggest a violent course of action. We must stay alert and stave off agent provocateurs.
Being shocked at all this is a waste of time. That sort of behavior only suited victorian wives 200 years ago, because it swayed public opinion. Those ladies are now lesbians, they got over it.
None of this is shocking. I dunno unless you are sleeping under a rock and avoiding any iota of the impulse for critical thinking about feminists or the gender war. It’s pretty obvious what this feminism and the “gender studies” at Universities are doing. They are the front line of fluff of a psychotic element in the human psyche. The female power of the weak, or animus false masculine power.
It’s good that these few articles on the RadFem and SCUM, is showing what happens when men stop treating women like goddesses and ignore them (weather voluntarily or involuntarily). they have no outlet for their demonic rages of their weakness power. Nobody to appease and pamper them, it then begins to surface.
But they can be exorcized.. A further retreat on the part of men will bring these feminine demons to the surface even more. Absence of male maintenance on women turns them into creeping dark things from the forgotten basement of the dammed.
This will happen as a natural outcome of their actions. Society is bottoming out or collapsing due to the corruption of women. It’s a regular cycle of nature.
The MRM of course should not (and will not) retreat. We have already retreated, we are now counter attacking. The men who will retreat are the douche bag Joe Biden’s smooth talking chivalrists, and they will probably do it unconsciously.
But we should be better than that, be aware, and in full vision of what is happening. This is a historical moment and I think these are the times of the turning point and final defeat of the feminists (and I don’t mean feminists as a political world view but the psycho/physical aspect of human nature itself).
“Being shocked at all this is a waste of time. That sort of behavior only suited victorian wives 200 years ago, because it swayed public opinion. Those ladies are now lesbians, they got over it.”
Am I the only one who doesn’t get how the first two sentences are logically connected to the last one?
What if you aren’t? Does that mean you win?
200 year old, Victorian lesbians? Makes perfect sense
Been watching too much True Blood?
Well I hate to sound like a damp squib here but I have my doubts that even with this amount of evidence of the true extremist nature of feminism it will make much if any of a splash in the MSM. Dominic Raab the British MP who dared call out feminism for what it was was publicly humiliated by the feminist Home Sectretary (the Tory version of Harriet Harman make no mistake!) who slapped him down and chided him for his “divisive” attitudes etc. Not one of his colleagues spoke up nor anyone else on either side of the house. I strongly suspect that the reason so few MP’s challenge feminism and it’s hold on politics is because it is one of those issues they are taken aside about early in their careers and told in no uncertain terms that if they wish to continue their careers feminism is strictly OFF LIMITS. Unfortunately I fear that this goes for those within the MSM too. Feminism has become an integral part of our orthodoxy and orthodoxies are rarely changed by appeals to reason but more by structural changes generally arising from full blown revolutionary challenges. In short we might have to do a lot more “pushing” that some of us may think before we see the changes that should follow. That said I have still made my representations to the MSM and even the very same Dominic Raab I mentioned earlier – you see I WANT to be proved wrong but I’m not holding my breath. There is a lot that can be done though and those actions could help create the kind of ripples that are hard to ignore for too long. For example all those who have input to policy for or working direct with children should have exposure to their employers, communities and even law enforcement, in fact I see it as our moral and ethical duty to do so. It is also heartening to hear what others have already set in motion – can we finally break the damn of indifference and malice? Well we have bigger blockbusters than we have had in a long time and this time it just MIGHT be enough to do the trick but we should also be prepared for the “what now?” if it doesn’t IMHO.
You may be right that the msm and politicians won’t touch it, and that is bad, but still, the more people know the better, the more red pills forced down people’s throat the better. In the end, the population of red pillers won’t be able to be ignored.
We will become the msm eventually, at least for a large section of the population.
You may be right that the msm and politicians won’t touch it, and that is bad, but still, the more people know the better, the more red pills forced down people’s throat the better. In the end, the population of red pillers won’t be able to be ignored.
We will become the msm eventually, at least for a large section of the population.
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Yes if we persist there will be change eventually – here I must acknowledge why I am even here. The main reason is because of Paul Elam and his firm stance of non-violence. I know some hardbitten MRA’s think that is waaayy “too soft” of an approach but I see it differently as I guess most or all others who post here. Guys also like Glen Sacks got a lot of stick for their apparent “softly softly” approach but guess what no one has heard of his critics and unlike his critics he has already made a difference. I know there are a million justifications for being bitter and angry and indeed when I hear some of the nightmares that some fathers are living through I marvel at how they often cope. The hard truth is though that to be angry, bitter and violent (especially the latter!) would suit our opponents right down to the ground as THAT is exactly how they like to stereotype us all as. Aside from the sex war may I point out that we are also in the midst of the worst financial crisis since the depression in the 30′s? The upside to this miserable outlook is that as we know countless feminist groups rely on state handouts and “pork” and that “pork” is far less likely to be abundant for the foreseeable future. Feminism whilst it may be a useful tool of the elites for helping keep the masses in check it is also an EXPENSIVE tool. My own (working class) parents lived through the 30′s depression and were able to pass on first hand accounts of how such straightened circumstances actually brought out a surprising amount of community spirit. It is during such times that humanism as opposed to bigoted “narrowisms” such as feminism could become much more apparent to all. Another reason why we must take care not to mirror the vile malice of our opponents so that the real blue meanies are seen finally for exactly what and who they are.
Have I been watching too many episodes of the Twilight Zone or am I really seeing what I think I see?
I wonder if there is a forum where this message could be furthered…such as writing a Review of “popular novels” on, I don’t know, Barnes and Noble or Amazon, where some truth about a certain “best selling novelist” could be shed. Does the first amendment cover posting such banter? Probably wouldn’t be a good idea – if this novelist is bent on a “defamation” suit tho…
MasterV replies to various and gives general warnings.
To begin with, someone says QRG “is well-known here.”
Take note, on the internet, no one is “well-known.”
The following may be of interest:
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum:
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a ‘uncontrolled forum.’
Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING’
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum – it can be quickly removed from public view by ‘forum sliding.’ In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to ‘age.’ Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a ‘forum slide.’ The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a ‘forum slide’ and ‘flush’ the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then ‘replying’ to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting ‘slides’ down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 – ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at http://www.abovetopsecret.com) is ‘consensus cracking.’ To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made – but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger ‘evidence’ or disinformation in your favour is slowly ‘seeded in.’ Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then ‘abort’ the consensus cracking by initiating a ‘forum slide.’
Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
Technique #4 – ‘INFORMATION COLLECTION’
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a ‘show you mine so me yours’ posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your ‘favourite weapon’ and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite ‘technique of operation.’ From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
Technique #5 – ‘ANGER TROLLING’
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes – without the requirement to ‘stage’ a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to ‘lead’ the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you ‘do not care what the authorities think!!’ inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
Technique #6 – ‘GAINING FULL CONTROL’
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings – and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the ‘ultimate victory’ as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a ‘honey pot’ gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
@MasterV
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I was just about to ask you guys to make this into an article. Fascinating stuff!
Beware of strangers bearing gifts.
“COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal,[2] projects … ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Interesting points and to be taken into account.
“Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING”
Anyone worth their salt will be reading the entire contents of an article; all be it, checking for anything of importance as they go. Mind games go off where ever you go in life…the filtration unit is your own sense of justice and decency, which will prevail. There is also something to be gained from disciplined rhetoric, so as to avoid the complications as you rightly mention.
guys and gals, I just found a petition against danielle pynnonen:
http://www.change.org/petitions/danielle-pynnonen-remove-yourself-from-positions-of-authority-over-children
Please show your support by signing this petition
Signed
Signed and will soon post as a feature. Great find!
Signed. Now let’s remove this dangerous woman from her position to inflict harm on innocent children.
apparently because I want to do this I according to the reddit feminut crowd am a criminal, a terrorist and anti free speech, Its amazing how the safety of children is an afterthought when placed with a pr mess for feminists.
Signed.
Signed
Signed and tweeted and yes I used my real name.
I have actually read this many times over and I am still shocked at the level of hate and open premeditation these loons display. They might as well be meeting at Wannsee villa in Germany to discuss a “Final Solution” to the man/boy question. I have also noticed there is zero rebuttal from the white knight/soft feminist crowed. I guess I’m not surprised, this is beyond offensive and indefensible hate speech. What I am more interested in is if these genocidal shit bags will be held liable and lose there jobs? I wont hold my breath, they are the protected class.
This is going viral over the manosphere.
Good luck seeing on the MSM.
When the evidence is amassed, their employers should be contacted, as well as press agencies.
Zorro has the right idea. And they should all be placed in the Register.
Perhaps an entirely new section of the Register should be started for toxic feminist academics.
But fundamentally, the academic system must be restructured, so that it essentially excludes so-called humanities and social sciences (which could be learned entirely online through open course ware, with testing by means of state exams). People could still do those kinds of degrees, but they would study mostly on their own and prove themselves by passing (difficult) state exams. This would take most tuition money away from those “disciplines” and they would disappear as formal, institutional entities, thus depriving feminism of its chief venue of operation and political leverage.
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Dear Paul and JTO,
Have just listened to the broadcast with Agent Orange. Excellent. How would one get a complete list of names of the RadFemHub, in order to check for the presence of individuals one might know? (In order to “out” them.)
Further, it strikes me that it is potentially politically explosive for CPS and the like, which could then be useful in many ways. Are there even lawyers/judges who might be vulnerable?
MasterV does not, by the way, appreciate the tone of Mr./Ms. Eulogy for Hitchens. Rather, MasterV advises courtesy at all times, as in the dojo or kwoon.
I tell ya I have been waiting and waiting since last week to see what this big thing that Paul was talking about and just reading and reading every artical as good as the the other. Then here it is and I am reading this and I experienced so many feelings that words just can not express it. I am shocked and yet I am not shocked because this has been feminisms aim all along to get women in positions to influence decision makeing.
There is no talking to these people no amount of reasoning and negotiation will do one bloody thing to better the situation for all involved. Shine the bright light on these feminists and I am not suggesting just radical feminists because the movement will not police itself in their effort to not to split the movement. So no more of this bs that not all feminists are that way, if you are working to solved the problem then in my opinion you are part of the problem. So out all this feminist hate as best we can.
Have you seen Lucy Nicholas’ page at the University of Edinburgh?
http://www.sociology.ed.ac.uk/research_students/nicholas_lucy
My God, what is that thing? It doesn’t even look human.
Someone should save a screenshot of her page before it disappears. The titles of her papers alone deserve to be immortalized. I guess this is what happens when someone considers “A Radical Queer Utopian Future” to be a valid topic for PhD study.
OMG! WTF is that?
-Oh, that??
That is a woman so unbelievably ugly that she had to become a lesbian, and probably only has had very bad and unfullfilling sex a very few times in her life with other, just as ugly, lesbians of the Dworkin the Hutt caliber.
She would probably like to be kissed and held by a man more than anything else in her life, but circumstances being what they are, that’s just not going to happen unless she finds a blind man with no hands, and she knows it.
And she blames and hates men/boys for it, and has done so ever since she became self-aware as a little girl, and I’m just guessing here, but that most likely goes for the majority of them.
On this one, the ugliness on the outside just slowly grew into being on the inside, too.
I’d really like to get a copy of her “Radical Queer Utopian Future” paper. I’m willing to bet it outlines some of her eugenical thinking, but it is probably couched in academic language so obtuse and tortuous that it would be difficult to decipher. Plus it gives her plausible deniability in case she ever wants to say that that’s not really what she meant. What she wrote in the Radfem forum is probably just the street language version of what she writes in her academic papers.
thirdspace.ca/journal/article/viewArticle/lnicholas/248
Another academic living in an academic bubble.
Thanks to Rad for this link. I wasn’t familiar with Third Space but if you have the patience for it you’ll see exactly how ridiculous Genders Studies and Feminist Theory really is. It also calls out an entire roster of radical academic feminists under “About” and “Editorial Team” which may be useful for future reference.
If you’re too busy to screw with wading though all of the feminist academic double speak I recommend picking up a copy of “Professing Feminism” by Daphne Patai. This woman worked in Woman’s Studies for years and finally had enough of it. Originally published in 1994 and updated in 2002 it is the best rebuttal of academic feminism I’ve ever read. It will give anyone that reads it the foundation to rebut extremest feminist views with credibility. Check out the reviews on Amazon. Good Stuff
Shout out to Bern for originally recommending this great book many months ago.
Looks like Nicolas should be her first name.
Maybe it actually was at some point?
You know, occasionally, I feel like our insults towards a person’s appearance make us rather dismissible as mere misogynists, but then I realize two very important things:
1) No matter what we have to say about the physical ugliness of women like Andrea Dworkin, the words in the articles here still ring with greater truth than those of feminists ever have or ever will.
2) There is likely a significant link between the hatred of men by the founders of feminism and their fairly obvious inability to get laid. Granted, the same could be said about those male MRAs who don’t get laid often, if ever (like me), if not for the fact that it hasn’t turned us into misogynists. We hate what’s been done to us, and other men, not women period. We recognize the good ones when we see them, it’s just that feminism has made so many of them go away. And we’re trying to get them back. We didn’t deserve to have them taken away from us by Dworkin the Hutt.
Actually, that was my very first thought.
She looks like nature decided for a male and then backpedaled.
Or as you suggest,-she/he did.
This is clearly true, but a difficult position to pitch due to the misogynist accusations you mention.
The real question to me is the fact that these women have never been winners in the dating game what drives them into feminism and in some cases lesbianism or not? Seems to me to be the case but I have no proof other than what my eyes tell me after seeing pictures of many of these hags.
If you remember back to the “Take Back The Night” bullshit from your college days you probably observed what I did…most of the chicks that were marching around protesting the imaginary rape epidemic never dated in high school and had little chance of attracting dating interest in College. The good looking, cool chicks that had dating experience with guys were all out partying and having fun while their plain jane sisters protested (or fantasized about) their imaginary rape crisis.
I’ve haven’t located anything that discusses this on a first person basis so if anyone has I’d appreciate the information. It might be kind of fun to find pictures of the worst of them and post them all in one place. There is certainly no shortage of candidates.
A good example of this is the recent book published by Samhita Mukhopadhyay, who became the editor of feministing.com when that bitch Jessica Valenti resigned after finding a rich Harvard Dude foolish enough to marry and have a baby with her. She really taught the Patriarchy a lesson with that move.
In any case this Samhita chick writes a book called “Outdated” which is supposed to be the feminist answer to traditional dating books. It basically says that women are pretty much OK and it’s the men that have to “come around” to the feminist way of seeing the world. Typical crap you’d expect from someone with a MA in Women’s Studies. What I thought was particularly telling about this chick was that she said she couldn’t buy a date in high school, she said she was and is a Fat Girl, she is a self-proclaimed Bitch and is also a smoker. So given that description it’s not too hard to me to figure out why she hasn’t had any luck in dating and after basically giving it away throughout her twenties she now finds herself at thirty-four years old on the slippery slope downward. The only thing I can’t figure out is why she felt qualified to write the book in the first place.
In any case don’t buy the book, I just have a special place in my heart for the morons over at Feministing.
when that bitch Jessica Valenti resigned after finding a rich Harvard Dude foolish enough to marry and have a baby with her.
Wait, really? Oh my fucking god… The fact that her credibility didn’t go out the window when she did that is a testament to just how fucking stupid her fans are. I mean, way to prove you don’t need men, eh? Tch. Spends years railing against men, and the first chance she gets to marry into money and forget all about the anti-male website she built, she’s fucking gone.
You know what? Fuck it, I’ve got bigger fish to fry than her. Although I’ll still take the time to use her betrayal of the feminist narrative as ammo for insults. This is going to be a lot more fun than trying to take her down, I’ll tell you that much. And who knows? Maybe I’ll have a chance encounter with her husband one day, and accidentally introduce him to The Tom Leykis Show. Oh man I would love that.
Anyhoo, I don’t go back that far (I’m 27), but I still know what you’re talking about. I’ve seen video footage of protests at some of Tucker Max’s appearances at colleges (where he obviously has the best chance of encountering the type of women who’d love for him to just drop dead), and I have to say, I find myself thinking the same thing: These chicks would have to get the guy drunk to have drunk sex, not the other way around. (The women who protest Tucker Max accuse him of promoting that whole “rape culture” crap, which is about as ridiculous as the idea of me promoting the abuse of lawn gnomes. I’ve read most of his material, and although he’s hardly a good person, I didn’t see anything that screamed “rapist” to me. Then again, feminists think sex where the woman is drunk classifies as rape, so I guess it makes sense to their warped minds.)
I see the same thing pretty much any time women are railing against men through some kind of protest: Lots of ugly. And, of course, the occasional dude who’s only there because of the one cute chick that he thinks he’s going to score with if he picks up a sign reading “No Means No!”. Those guys are even more pathetically inept at attempting to get laid than I am, and that’s not an easy feat.
You know the more I think on it, the more prudent I feel it would be for us MRAs to kind of “elect” people to be our ultimate voices in the mainstream, to make sure that when non-members think of us, they don’t instantly think of guys like me. You know what I mean? We don’t want our message to be rejected based entirely on the collective face it’s coming out of, or a repeat of what happened with feminism. It needs to be very clear that our intent, what drives us, is truth and justice, not a broiling hatred for women earned through years of sexual frustration, and I’m beginning to think that that can’t happen unless guys like George Clooney or something are our “mascots”, if you will.
It’s also why I’m thinking that it’d be better for me to blog instead of doing YouTube videos, so that I’m not necessarily dismissed (or embraced) based upon my lack of success in getting women to spread their legs for me. Which I’m sure is probably pretty apparent just from looking at me, and is what makes most people avoid my videos. Most likely.
Good points but don’t stop doing YouTube videos if that’s how you’re getting your views out there. I’m sure none of us posting here are Brad Pitt body doubles, but in one of the few cases in which I think men actually have an advantage over women, it doesn’t matter anywhere near as much how a man looks as compared to how a woman is treated if she’s been hit by the ugly stick.
I think that’s why you see so many really nasty mean-spirited feminists. By the time they get to college they fully understand that they don’t fit the beauty standard needed to be successful in the dating game and of course they’re not happy about it. There is a good reason for the stereotype of the angry, fat, ugly feminist…in many cases it’s dead-on true and continues to be even after forty years of feminism.
The relationship game can be tough on guys too, but I think we tend to get more of our self images from what we can do instead of how we look. In general we don’t throw logic, reason and basic fairness to the winds like the sisterhood tends to do. The other advantage guys have is that unlike women because we aren’t as dependent upon our looks for our self images we don’t spend much of our time trying to look younger, like many women do starting at about 28 years old or so.
I’m actually a firm believer that truth is going to win out because the feminists have been so successful over the past several decades they continue to ramp up their foolish demands and look more and more foolish doing so.
This forum is the framework that Elam and his team have begun to hang the truth from. We aren’t yet where we need to be, but directionally this is the best shape the MRM has ever been in. A lot of the reason it is becoming so strong is that we are getting a much wider cross-section of men contributing. It’s all good.
Looks like she’s blocked access to her page, at least for anybody without an account. Did somebody leave a nasty message? Can you even do that? I didn’t check when I first looked at that page.
I think this might be a sign that the heat is a little much for some of the Rad-Fem Hub members. I hope so.
Her email address was posted on that page, maybe someone sent her a message? It wasn’t me.
I had a feeling this might happen, so I took a screenshot of her page before it was hidden. I don’t have anywhere to post it, but I could email it to Paul if he feels it would be of value.
I took a look at Lorraine Allen’s resume on indeed.com, and although she claims to have a masters, she has only held crummy little bookkeeping jobs for periods of six months or less. She does not need to be working with disabled men and boys, but if her employment pattern posted on the Internet is accurate, she will quit or get fired soon.
If that is her resume, then it doesn’t look as though she worked at the Center for Discovery. Would seem as though her boy/girl story was just sick fantasy & rabble rousing.
-Yours in brutal antipathy.
See does show up under a Center of Discovery google search. I am considering calling to ask if she is still employed there. I don’t like the idea of a mentally or physically disabled man or boy potentially being injured by her.
All I can find is her liking some things associated with it on Facebook. Those could be weak false breadcrumbs to try and give the impression of working for them.
Maybe you are right, but I am curious about the American feminists involved with this radfem site and would like to know more about them.
@ Hayden Hanna. Oh, I am very curious myself, and intend to keep digging. I hope that everyone else is doing likewise.
I don’t mean to spam anyone. But, as I’ve identified as an ‘ex-feminist’, this is relevant. It was through reading the work of Mark Simpson that I saw the error of my ways, and realised how damaging feminism is to men/masculinity. Simpson’s 1994 classic Male Impersonators is out now on Amazon Kindle. It really is worth reading!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Male-Impersonators-Performing-Masculinity-ebook/dp/B006K5ZMNE/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=132413
Ex feminist: well I guess there is hope for everyone.
One day I might be able to write properly as well.
Just purchased the paperback. One of the blurbs said the book looks at, among other things, how the Men’s movement is being sought out by men who feel alienated by narrow and negative male stereotyping.
Not sure if I’m ready for the other parts- such as that there a gay aspect to male sports- but I’ll dive in anyway. In general it appears to be about the comical gender roles males are trained into… I agree they are comical, and tragic. The more we can exctricate ourselves from these enforced stereotypes the more freedom males have to choose thier destiny.
Can’t go wrong for $4.
One thing that continues to strike me about feminism is its duplicity on the subject of stereotyping. On the one hand feminism is lauded as a towering example of postmodernist deconstruction on the subject of gender stereotyping – particularly the stereotyping of women. Yet feminism is the most virulent of all sectors in society for stereotyping males as domineering, violent. oppressive, priviledged, uncaring, etc. One image fits all.
The feminist sector rails against what it calls “essentialism” (ascribing universally essential traits/behaviors to males or females) and yet it aggressively insists on a collection of behaviours and beliefs belonging to each and every non-homosexual male… despite the incredible diversity of traits, beliefs and dispositions found among men and boys. There is no common thread that will sufficiently account for what men are; not violence, not privilege and power, not hatred of women – nothing.
I hope they all end up rotting in some imaginary Hell for this most glaring of all double standards.
If you want to find out just how gay you are, just head over to QRG’s blog and check. Basically anything that males like to do (especially together) is camp or gay. I find the site and the concept to be offensive and meandering.
If I want to be gay I’ll lick some balls, everything else is just me doing what I want to do.
Only £2.68 for the kindle version – it’s a no brainer at that price! Being d\l to my kindle as I write – thanks for the tip
MasterV replies to JTO,
Hello JTO. I am glad that you find the COINTELPRO material of interest. Thank you also for the invitation, but I am too busy right now with other things and do not have time to write more extensively on this subject. You are welcome to pursue it. I think it will be of interest to AVFM readers/listeners.
Dear JTO,
The COINTELPRO material was originally posted
by MikeWB at The Information Underground.
Gentlemen, I just felt a great disturbance in the force…
…it felt as if millions of rationalization hamsters screamed out in pain and agony…
…and then went into overdrive…
Sorry guys, I just had to say it!
I wish I could say that I was shocked, but ever since I heard my female professor say in class that the Y chromosome is “full of garbage” I knew that there was something seriously wrong (for the record, I responded by yelling “Hey, thanks a lot!”). Those people are everywhere, and what pisses me off is that they refuse to see the error of their ways even when shown that they are clearly wrong. I once spent three freaking hours trying to convince the aforementioned professor that she didn’t solve a formula correctly. She just couldn’t wrap her head around the fact that she multiplied where she should have divided. In the end I had to go step by step to show her where she went wrong. And the scary part was that she was teaching this erroneous way of solving the formula for years.
It just goes to show… Ideologues and science just don’t mix.
Unfortunately, that sort of thinking is especially widespread even in the realm that is supposed to be free of prejudice, the realm of science and research, by people who really should know better. And the scary part is that it frequently colors their thinking in ways that prevents them from correctly interpreting sets of data. They allow their conclusions to twist the data instead of letting the data take them to a conclusion.
Hi all- here’s an article in the Guardian about domestic violence from a feminist perspective. My comment is the first under the ‘line’ :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/17/abused-women-domestic-violence#start-of-comments
Good commenting! +1 but I’m still not endorsing your essays.
Here is Kitten “Kat” Pinder profile with picture
http://smeggys.co.uk/big_brother_housemate.php?series=7&id_tag=kit
What a depressed looking emo. I see that she identifies with Trotsky and Solanis. Why am I not surprised?
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MasterV advises that things be placed in perspective:
From the Lyndon Larouche website
LAROUCHEPAC:
FROM LAROUCHE, OBAMAWATCH
Stop The Nuclear Holocaust!
December 16th, 2011 • 2:57pm •
STATEMENT
by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
“The world is presently at the verge of: (1) The combination of immediately threatened general economic breakdown-crisis in the trans-Atlantic sector, and (2) An already pre-staged, Anglo-American-led thermonuclear bombardment launched by the Anglo-American alliance against leading nations of Asia including Russia and China. This danger now exists for at least as long as a London-controlled U.S. President Barack Obama remains as President of the United States of America. This condition has been pre-staged since the murder of the former Libyan head of state by a concert of Britain, France and the United States under President Obama.
That attack has been pre-staged around the designated trigger of the Israel threat to attack Iran, and the associated intention to crush the nation of Syria. Unless the U.S.A. removes an actually insane President Barack Obama under Section 4 of the U.S. 25th Amendment to its Federal Constitution, or by that President’s impeachment, there is very little likelihood that a World War III can be avoided during the weeks ahead. The forced retirement of President Obama would avert the greatest danger to the planet at large.
This is not speculation; this is fact.
At the same time, the entirety of the trans-Atlantic region is being plunged into the depths of a hyper-inflation whose effects would be far worse than what struck Weimar Germany in force in 1923. The gravest danger, of both thermonuclear warfare and the deepest depression of the world in modern history, could be stopped now; but it will not stop unless it is stopped. Inside the U.S.A. that means three actions: (a), dump President Obama from office; (b), immediate re-enactment of President Franklin Roosevelt’s Glass-Steagall legislation; and, (c) re-establish the U.S. National Banking action pioneered under U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton. The combination of those latter legal reforms would be sufficient to launch a general economic recovery.”
Anglo-American Feminism was and is a wholly owned subsidiary of British Intelligence, i.e. MI6 (with input from certain wings of the CIA, KGB, Mossad, et al.). It’s essential purpose was and is to disrupt societies for the purpose of reducing concrete technological/scientific/economic productivity, in favor of a fictitious economy of financial parasitism. Women have been promoted because they further this agenda, men victimized because they have historically been the main sources of progress in these areas. (This is not to say that women are BY NATURE incapable of contributions in these areas — to this day the only person to win a Nobel prize in two different physical sciences is Marie Curie, in physics and chemistry.) But the feminist agenda — the psychological aspects of it in particular — have proceeded directly from the Tavistock Clinic (for example, the agent Saul Alinsky, who was a major orchestrator the Women’s Lib, Gay Lib acting out, pseudo-politics of the 70′s was a protege of the military psychiatrist who helped to found the Tavistock clinic). Thus feminism’s psychological objectives have been to encourage regressive/narcissistic personality tendencies, which, among other things, tend to render women (or men) incapable of the objectivity and discipline of real science. Feminism is thus a direct psychological warfare attack on the physical/technological/economic productivity of modern society.
However, it should be noted that the ULTIMATE source is the hereditary European oligarchy that to this day controls much of the world’s wealth, and which, in addition, has stated its intention to reduce the world’s population from its current 7 billion to less than 1 billion.
The way to do this is to degrade society to primitive levels (already well-accomlished); the next step is the nuclear war plans outlined above by the long-time political operative and economist Lyndon Larouche.
Therefore it is imperative for MRAs to understand the ACTUAL situation and not be sidetracked by peripheral matters. It is imperative to A] remove the current regime from office and B] to restore sound economic policy based in scientific progress and tangible physical productivity.
In MasterV’s opinion, it would then be necessary to completely restructure the educational system, eliminating so-called humanities and social sciences from university curricula (which would be exclusively focused on physical science, engineering, and math). These other subjects would still be taught, but only in K-12, and preferably by the very Ph.D.s who would essentially be thrown out of the universities. In addition, a system of on-line open course ware arrangements, such as already exists to some extent, would allow people to study all subjects on their own at all levels for free and then prove themselves by passing difficult state exams. Guidelines for how to locate relevant materials would be provided on state-sponsored websites kept up to date by librarians and IT specialists (at very low cost).
But first it is necessary to avoid nuclear war.
MasterV has been harshly critical of Lyndon Larouche and his blindness to gender issues (misandry) as well as his recent repulsive defense of Hilary Clinton (as well as of her husband, the esteemed former President Blowjob). Nonetheless Larouche is and remains the pre-eminent American thinker of the post-war period (far superior to the over-rated Chomsky, and not merely in political terms).
For those readers for whom mention of the “hereditary European oligarchy” sounds bizarre, MasterV directs you to the excellent on-line book Against Oligarchy by one-time Larouche associate Webster Griffin Tarpley, whose insightful analyses and brilliant research are available at his website Tarpley.net Larouche’s own extensive work, and that of his research group, is available at LarouchePAC, all directly relevant, in the most profound ways, to the MRA.
No question about who brings the fruitcake to your Christmas gathering, is there?
That was about as good an argument as a feminist would make. Do you actually have anything to rebut or do you just want to insult people.
Watch Lyndon’s videos and how he describes the Oligarchy, giving multiple examples of how it has caused the destruction of civilization.
We’ve pretty much come to a consensus here (IMHO) that feminism is a tool for the destruction of our society for some end game. I think we all know that it is not the driving force behind all the “progressives” and their tyrannical policies. Getting these man haters on board would be a great step for the PTB to get some eugenics going.
We already have some self detrimental policies in North America. We’ve convinced people in the Great Lakes region that water is scarce. We’ve convinced the population of one of the most sparsely populated nations (Canada) that they should stop having babies because the world is over populated. We’ve stagnated our growth to cut pollution.
There is an end game and I’d say that somebody like Lyndon who is as close as he is to the government insiders is at least worth listening to.
“Therefore, history reminds us: the necessary leader for a time of existential crisis, is always the person who challenges popular opinion: We can escape this crisis, if you are willing to face up to the fact, that it was popular opinion which brought this nation into the present disaster.” ~LarouchePAC
The above quote could apply to Feminism n’est pas?
It was my exact intention to insult him without argument in the same way he insulted AVfM, JTO, and Dr. T below. I caught back up to the comments on this one reading from the bottom up and got increasingly pissed at his insults to them and this site as I went. However, if you guys want to encourage a troll, I will bow out.
Yes, I grok.
I was impressed with the counterintel post and the Lyndon one, but M. Bates became rather insulting near the end.
I even agree (somewhat) the the mere fact of being a woman partially negates a woman’s contribution due to her inherent inability to empathize with the male just as we cannot fully empathize with the female.
But the whole mole thing got a little nuts.
Furthermore, the troll is using the very methods in its comments to this article that it set out in its comment addressing methods of destroying a forum above. He or she is testing a point or theory.
Unfortunately, I read from the top to the bottom and missed the trolling part when I posted. Good catch.
Whitney, I have no problem with you calling me down, especially when viewed from the perspective you were taking. My approach to reading and commenting was odd, but I stand by what I wrote.
Besides the fact that I commonly agree with your comments here, you are a fellow libertarian-leaning MRA, which means that you, like me, cannot help yourself from calling bullshit on somebody as you did.
Lorraine Allen
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000781776513&sk=info
Seems the Allen bitch took her facebook page private.
Wow, that’s quite the avatar you’ve got there, MRA. : )
I found this article at What Really Happened. Glad I did!
After finishing the article and reading the comments a thought came to me. The stories of children missing from the child care system. Most of the people that work in that system seem to be women. I’m referring to here in America. I don’t know what the situation is in Australia. But we have the same man haters here. I would like to know what the sex ratio is on those missing children. When you hear that kind of hate from someone that works with children, it makes you wonder. I would hate to think of a male child having contact with her! Lorraine Allen is a special education teacher. She also has contact with children! God help those poor children!
I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for the MSM to cover this. They are overflowing with women that sympathize with them. They attended the same universities, and got a strong dose of the same indoctrination. I afraid this hate isn’t going away. At least not anytime soon. I don’t like to sound like a defeatist.
Just the same continue to expose such creatures. It’s a wonder if they can go out in the sunlight.
On the Center For Discovery FB page I posted the following, “I wonder if Governor Cuomo is aware of Center For Discovery employee Lorraine Allen has fantasies of throwing students out of windows? Closed windows I might add. If you doubt this claim go to : http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/radfem-hub-the-underbelly-of-a-hate-movement/ read “White Tiger”‘s entry and request the proof. Interested journalists and law enforcement seeking to investigate the threat this person may pose to children in her care will be most welcomed.”
I am sure it will be removed but, I am sure it will also be seen and discussed.
If the Center For Discovery does not look into the matter they will fail due diligence examination. Hopefully the prganization really is interested in helping challenged children and is unaware of the monster in their employ. And, of course acts accordingly to protect the children entrusted to their care.
Well done.
MasterV says,
But MRAs take note:
There will be ABSOLUTELY NO MRA MOVEMENT unless the current internet censorship bills are defeated. WHICH THEY MUST BE!!!! (SOPA and the other one.)
INDEED it is a matter of some curiosity to the Master that this issue is not the number ONE thing on this site.
Since this site WILL NOT EXIST if these bills become law.
Though they have been temporarily defeated, this defeat is, in reality, a playing possum, and a new attack will start very soon, with unexpected timing. Beware.
Deluge your representatives!!!!!!!!
The Master also notes, with some suspicion, that JTO implicitly asks for his actual identity “if you want attribution other than your visible username” he states.
Why would the Master want that? Is JTO attempting (in a very lame way, admittedly) to flush out the Master’s real identity?
And why?
Could it be because the Master has figured out that AVFM is in reality A CONTAINMENT SITE, where the obvious frustrations and grievances (and worse) of men are contained within a framework entirely acceptable to the POWERS THAT BE?
SO THAT…although any number of issues, reports, etc. are very good and quite genuine, in their way, and up to a point…still, the site AS A WHOLE is a limitation device. Devised by the CIA, MI6, the Mossad, et al. to corral the frustrations of men into manageable channels. But in the era of immediate detention at the hands of Barry Sotero, what does “manageable” amount to? Think about it.
Further, Dr. T is not to be trusted, any more than Quiet RiotGirl. Do not be duped!
The entire “touchy feely” (albeit male version) of the radio show is, for the Master, absolutely transparent, and a lame move that would fool only novices in the intelligence game.
A Wing Chun Proverb:
“Others do not know me, but I know them.”
PS
QuietRiotGIrl, Psych11, and Eulogy for Hitchens, (the actual, recently deceased Hitchens having been an apologist for the genocidal Iraq war, by the way) are such OBVIOUS AGENTS that it’s really …sad. MI6 must be having recruitment problems.
“The Master”? sounds like you need some medication for your delusions of gradiosity. The way around here appears to be one where you earn respect, not grandstand for it. You certainly won’t win any respect by casting baseless aspersions on valued female contributers.
Chuang Tzu proverb:
“Goose who extends it’s neck vertically and honks repeatedly gets it’s head chopped off”.
Your writing reads like that of the lunatic PA Nolan from The-SH. I have no authority to send your ass packing, but I appeal to those who do to rid us of you.
“SO THAT…although any number of issues, reports, etc. are very good and quite genuine, in their way, and up to a point…still, the site AS A WHOLE is a limitation device.”
That’s just silly. If the site wants to stay up and out of legal trouble it needs to work within the law. If it wants to have a sizeable audience it needs to stay away from especially scary topics. It’s not containing anything. If you want to discuss things that aren’t appropriate for this type of site you can, you just have to do it someplace else. This is OBVIOUSLY the way it has to be so there’s no use whining about it.
It’s certainly possible that there are people here who aren’t who they pretend to be. It seems more likely to me that they’d be here from radicalhub or something like that rather than the cia but who knows.
Beware, PIPA and SOPA are cloaked and potentially potent strikes at us.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/overkill-on-internet-piracy/2011/12/11/gIQA9TK6nO_blog.html
Yuk, you stink.
Chinese proverb:
“One who talk in third person is prick and deserve yak dung pie in face.”
MasterV
furthermore dares to assert that the VERY PRESENCE of DR.T [a female psychologist !!! ] on the, as it were, staff of AVFM is an insult to the intelligence of reader/listeners. MasterV makes this statement as someone who is himself a Ph.D. and a mental health professional (although not a “clinical psychologist” — an ABSOLUTELY bogus field).
When will American men wake up? Do not be a dupe of 3rd rate counter-intel operations. Organize in real terms instead. Use your greatest potential power — the organized strike. (Do not waste time with emotional bullshit. Do not fall into the touchy-feely traps of Dr.T, the radio program, the visually slick site, and all the other ABSOLUTELY TRANSPARENT CLAPTRAP.)
ORGANIZE! STRIKE!
A Wing Chun proverb:
“Face your opponent with your centerline — run him down.”
Is your tinfoil hat getting too tight?
I think it’s a plant or a sockpuppet or something, honestly. Somebody’s pulling on our dicks here.
Ignore it.
I don’t think he’s necessarily a tin-hat-wearer when considering the excellent article written by John the Other that shows feminism as one tool of what MasterV alludes to:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminism-is-merely-a-tool/
MasterV’s random accusations against experienced MRMs of being part of that conspiracy that John the Other writes of in his article is another thing entirely. He may not be aware that some, or many, MRMs are fighting on more than one front. He’s typing on the wrong forum in my opinion.
There is a bigger monster than feminism, of that I have no doubt. Fighting feminism is both honourable and necessary.
Feminism is both a tool of the larger threat and an ally, they use each other to remove freedoms from the public piecemeal.
But sorry MasterV is as much a crackpot as the Bilderbergers, just with much less influence. Not to mention tilting at windmills like a delusional Don Quixote.
1: phatPhuk doesn’t like you ‘dissing Dr T, and that isn’t white knight bullshit. She has proven herself over and over again and has my utmost respect.
2: phatPhuk thinks you are giving wing chun a bad name. Leave out the proverbs.
Yuk.
A final word of clarification and warning from the Master.
For those who think that he engages in paranoid ranting and the like — take note. People can be agents even when they do not realize that is what they are; they spew out their programing even when they think they are being completely sincere. It is the singe most common fact in intel/counter-intel. Do not be duped.
For example, in the case of Dr.T. — her very degree, her very training, is itself her programing, which she will spew out — for the purpose of containing you, of maintaining you in the state of “custody” that Michel Foucault (one of the first MRAs) noted and analyzed — see his lectures at the College de France on the liberal state, “bio-power,” and the like.
Do not be duped. Use your brain. Organize. Do not waste time with emotional bullshit. Do not waste time with victim stories, in the manner of women. Use your gung-fu. Study military history. Use tactics. Above all, do not trust women. (See William Burroughs on this point.)
Learn how to do good pro se legal work, learn how to do research. Study the gay movement’s tactics for “outing”. Take up some form of martial arts — it will train your perceptions and teach you genuine from bogus.
Heed the Master’s warnings, or repent at leisure in Gitmo. Yes.
Your not a master but a troll – time to stop feeding you methinks. Goodbye.
Dr. T is literally saving men’s lives over at shrink4men you ignorant son of a bitch. You are entitled to your opinion, even unsupported by facts as it is, but you should consider apologizing to her for that statement. I put Tara’s MRA credentials as high as any, and I mean any, male MRA. After reading this comment from you, I will be skipping over anything else you write.
Look,asshole, masturbate, whatever the fuck you call yourself, I don’t deal too well with people that refer to themselves in the royal third person. It’s a sure sign of a nutcase.
And this forum is not a place where MRA’s or supporters needs defense from trolls.
If you are here to help men fight for their rights, and you have ways to do it that don’t involved trashing people that are already working on their behalf, email me through the contact form and tell me all about it. Then I will lift the ban on you.
But a hint, the first time of your email that your refer to yourself as “The Master” or some other grandiose bullshit, I will just hit delete, Like I am going to do with your account here now.
Thanks for Shepard crooking that swirly eyed narc outta here.
Also, that third person crap was cramping Dr. F’s style
DruidV didn’t care much for it either…
Sublime… love it
Master V. I don’t and didn’t judge DR T. by her credentials – credentials or the lack of them don’t guarantee the holder is a human being in the sense of being HUMANE. Anyway let me get to the point – I don’t warm to folks who talk about themselves in the 3rd person and neither do I warm to those who encourage bias and suspicion of other members here especially when said member e.g. Dr T. has done sterling work here. You sir/madam are what is known as “too clever by half” and I’m sorry to say that I don’t mean that as a compliment.
And they were going to let him have an entire article? LMAO!
“There will be ABSOLUTELY NO MRA MOVEMENT unless the current internet censorship bills are defeated. WHICH THEY MUST BE!!!! (SOPA and the other one.)”
This is true, and the fact that a paranoid troll had to remind us of this is rather sad.
But how do you know MRA’s are not aware of this without the aid of the trolls reminder? I don’t just have a presence here and I’m sure that goes for most of the other folks posting here. When it comes to stuff like NDAA and SOPA I am already involved with other activists groups who are fighting this. It would not surprise me at all if others here are also activating against these proposed law changes.
Yet I have seen no one commenting on it.
Yes – that is a fair point and neatly brings me to a couple of other posts I have made here about joining forces with other non-violent activist groups like Anonymous. Back in my days on usenet 1997 – 2005 I and others regularly discussed the likelyhood that Governments would find enough pretexts to limit free speech to a degree that suited THEM. I don’t want to discuss this sensitive topic in much detail on an open forum like this but suffice it to say that if we care about the damage to free speech by proposed bills like SOPA and NDAA we maybe would be wise to join forces with those who have expertise in non violent cyber (and street or that matter) resistance.
If anyone is concerned about their identity, use The Onion Router (TOR). The more people using TOR, the harder it is to control the internet. TOR will “hop” through three TOR users’ machines before exiting to the internet. It’s slow because nobody gives it the bandwidth it needs for hopping, but it is catching on.
They may be non-violent, but Anon is hardly a group I want to associate with. They carry an even greater stink with the general public than we do, and quite frankly, I think it’s rather deserved.
Delusions of grandeur based on unacknowledged fear always seem to result in all kinds of hate filled calls to action against non-existing enemies. As an age old recipe to accomplish nothing except some local and temporarily destruction. So the question becomes what exactly can be gained if we adopt the methods of those we are supposed to correct. In the knowledge that anybody can describe common goals, if the level of abstraction is high enough. But it is in the results of the chosen methods and practices that whatever future becomes the new, or in the case of methods proven wrong by our own history, the same old reality. It seems, Mr. Master, that you are repeating the same old mistakes without even knowing what you are talking about.
While I do see your point, we are not dealing with a non-existent enemy. Our enemy is very real, and we are beginning to put faces to those enemies. True that we cannot adopt their methods, but at the same time we cannot fight ‘honorably’ against them, as those methods have repeatedly been demonstrated as a recipe for failure.
Right, so let’s not spend our energy on the non-existing enemies. And most honourable methods of the past had more to do with pride and were not so honourable in overall effect. Maybe the better term is white knight’s illusions. That kind of fighting will probably be a receipt for failure, as proven by history. I think we can do better than repeating history over and over.
MasterV does not reply to amateurs. He merely repeats his fundamental suspicions: that this site is a manipulative containment strategy. He further wonders if the material brought up by Agent Orange will be really all that significant. The whole thing could be what is called a “limited hang out” operation. On this, see Webster Tarpley’s analysis of the various Wikileaks document dumps arranged by Assange (though the Master does not necessarily agree with Tarpley’s analysis of Assange’s psychology, which goes into the realm of the ad hominem.)
Manipulative containment strategy? The site has a mission page. If you want to claim it’s manipulative you need to explain how the site is doing something other than what is stated in the mission. If the site is actually doing what the mission says it intends to do you can’t claim it’s being manipulative. You can claim that what it’s doing is a waste of time. You can argue whatever you want but if the site says what it intends to do in the mission and then attempts to do it it’s not being manipulative.
He claims that this place is essentially a constantly monitored hugbox to let men vent about the injustices they have to face in a way that doesn’t really upset the status quo. Which is of course BS.
However, as the MRM gains momentum, I do expect surveillance to increase.
Are you talking to him or the third person standing next to him ?
Below is a piece by psychologist Albert Bernstein regarding how to spot a paranoid personality. (Please excuse capital letters which are in the original
http://www.albernstein.com/id61.htm )
PARANOID VAMPIRES: are visionaries who search hard for the Truth. They see things that others can’t. The question is whether those things are really there.
HOW TO SPOT ONE:
LOOK FOR: Absolute certainty about themselves and their beliefs, and distrust of everything else.
DRAW YOU IN WITH: Virtue, creativity, perceptiveness, protectiveness, and deliverance from evil.
DRAIN YOU BY: Jealousy, unshakable prejudices, constant cross-examination of every difference of opinion. Absolute belief is neither good nor evil, but it is a door through which either may enter.
THE ONES YOU SEE EVERY DAY: Jealous spouses, conspiracy theorists, and people who post weird things on the Internet.
DEFENSIVE STRATEGY: Know how to recognize a crazy idea when you hear one. Don’t answer questions when they’re asked a second time.
There’s an extensive checklist on the link above if you want more detail. The book can be read online- here’s the part about Paranoid Vampires: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NEo90LwMbY4C&pg=PA207&lpg=PA207&dq=%22The+Paranoid+Types%22+207&source=bl&ots=7ItlJVljIQ&sig=r-7MbQZJAKY0mG8r1_6fY4sWF7o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8X7uTp-LEu-4iAf-1LS2Bw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Paranoid%20Types%22%20207&f=false
Very entertaining!
Kathy Shaidle of Blazing Cat Fur put in on her blog
http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2011/12/radfem-hub-underbelly-of-hate-movement.html
There is a couple of naysayers in the comment section.
Kathy spends a lot of time on Micheal Corens The Arena. Hope he brings it up on his show.
Not to split hairs, but I think that this is her husband’s blog. Her’s is smalldeadanimals.com.
Cool, a link to this article is posted on rense.com which receives a lot of traffic:
http://tinyurl.com/7s9sg79
Ta Wayne for this.
I checked out the link on the site and it amazes me that an article calling upon hatred in itself becomes tarred with the brush of hatred itself.
We’ve exposed hatred with the article ‘radfem-hub-the-underbelly-of-a-hate-movement’ and that article is supposed to be the proof of hatred in itself ?
Boing ?
Right that’s it. I’m off to the shops to buy bags of coffee beans to grind so there will be more for others to wake up to.
For that matter I’m off to buy some smelling salts to mix with it in case it’s not enough.
Bah !
Lorraine Allen
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000781776513&sk=wall
Publicly viewable.
She has kept her hate speech off that.
Anyone interested in being “friends” with that monster to provide photos for her register-her.com entry?
Also the only “Mary” on the City of Kingston Arts Council is one Mary Ann Higgs, with a law office @ 275 Ontario St…….. just down the reported address of “Mary Syrett”.
Looks, like I need to do a bit of digging. A couple of her links are down, will retry later to make sure it is intended outage rather than server issues.
Who ever she is she is running now. Too bad for her that is not good enough, she will be exposed.
Looks as though she has made it private now.