11 more reasons for a straight man to avoid marriage

11 more reasons not to marry

In her article “8 reasons straight men don’t want to get married“, Dr. Helen Smith did an excellent job summarizing the popular reasons men say they are postponing or outright declining the many charms and benefits of marriage – well, benefits for gay couples, anyway. With the recent Supreme Court decision dumping the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in favor of gay marriage, we can expect the argument that gay marriage somehow undermines straight marriage will continue to heat up.

In my opinion, this has things completely backwards – straight marriage is so badly and terminally damaged that the expansion of gay marriage will have little impact on the death of heterosexual nuptials – if anything, successful gay marriages will illuminate the many failures of hetero marriage that are causing men to flee from it.

Why is that? I’ve compiled my own, personal list of 11 additional reasons why I avoid marriage, and interestingly, my reasons are largely independent of the 8 reasons identified by Dr. Smith. Some of these reasons are deeply personal to me, but in the hopes that they might resonate with men who are conflicted on the subject of their own marital futures, I offer them up as an additional perspective as to why the single life is preferable:

1. Your wife won’t be able to manipulate you by withholding sex.

While some people (ok, women mostly) treat marriage vows as loose, conditional suggested guidelines, when I make a vow, I’m going to keep it. If it is within the capability of my mind or body, then I am both loyal and stupid enough to believe that a promise is a promise, and that “integrity” includes keeping one’s promises, especially in the face of adversity. So, if I promise fidelity to one woman, by God, the Universe, and Everything, I’m going to keep that promise.

I also have always had a large sex drive – I was hitting on my babysitters when I was 4 years old for goodness sakes. Even now in my mid-50′s the fires of passion still burn hot in me.

The combination of these two factors mean that I would be extremely vulnerable to a wife to wanted to manipulate me by denying sex – I’d have no recourse in law or morality. A man who coerces a woman into sex is viewed as a rapist, but a woman who coerces a man by withholding sex is a feminist hero?

You go, grrl. Out of my house. NOW. And no, I am not going to marry you, bitch.

2. You won’t have to lose your vintage porn collection.

My first college girlfriend got me a subscription to Playboy magazine for my birthday in 1978, and although we broke up my senior year, I collected issues of the magazine until the spring of 1992, when my cohabiting girlfriend at that time discovered them and had an extreme screaming meltdown. She kept screaming for hours as I hauled them out to a dumpster. Then, she withheld sex for six months as a punishment for my transgression. I loved her dearly but her jealousy never waned, and eventually I had to break with her, as I was unwilling to live my life in a constant state of sexual starvation.

3. You can drive any car that suits your fancy.

Until I became comfortable with the notion of Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), I often chose my car with an eye toward the sort of woman it might attract. This left me with several expensive, high-maintenance models that looked pretty but didn’t suit me. I didn’t like the cars, either.

I now drive the perfect car for me – a 2004 Prius with moderate hail damage. My Prius is now old enough and ugly enough that it is a total chick-repellent. The hail damage increases the gas mileage to the point where I can drive from Dallas to Chicago on one or two tanks of gas, perfect for the day I become a MGTOW ghost – and, it is whisper-quiet at low speeds, so quiet that later models had to add faux engine noises for safety reasons.

Of course, if you get married, your wife will withhold sex until you buy her a gas-guzzling, planet-killing SUV so that she will feel slightly safer when she totals it. She’ll hate your car, whatever it is you drive.

4. You won’t have to compromise your religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

Although my mixed-up family has deep Catholic/Lutheran roots, I’ve been an atheist since early childhood. I hear no voices in my head, divine or otherwise. Technically, I think I’m actually a non-coherentist agnostic, in that God-talk is largely nonsensical to me, but when you say “agnostic”, many believers (particularly here in the Bible Belt where I live) take that as an invitation to regale you with whatever voodoo is talking in their heads that day. My inaccurate claim to atheism is safer in the sense that it allows me to be written off as a lost cause without having to engage in gobbledygook.

Women, in my experience, are much more “spiritual” than men, in that their overwhelming anxieties drive them to seek comfort and support through faith. I don’t fault them (much) for that, but I sure as hell don’t want to marry it, or compromise my professed faith to placate hers.

5. You won’t have to watch/hold/carry/rebuild her fucking purse.

Dealing with a woman means being subjected to “female redecoration syndrome” – her constant, endless drive to change both her husband and her environment, and her oblivious dismissal of her man’s reluctance to do stupid things on her behalf. Reasonable things one might be able to work out with a reasonable woman (if such could be found), maybe, but going shoe-shopping with her when she already has a closet full of shoes? No, thank you.

6. You can undertake risky ventures without being undermined by your wife.

8 years ago an artistic entertainment district that I loved was falling on hard times just as my corporate career reached an impasse. So, I dumped my house and job and started my own entertainment business in that district. No woman would have tolerated a man who was as married to my business as I was (and continue to be) – women love commitment until it becomes slightly inconvenient for them. I know this in part because my live-in girlfriend enthusiastically supported my new business venture right up to the point where she bailed out 4 months in.

Now, I can gloat – the district is now thriving and the NYSE-listed corporation I left died in January, and my work has brought me a bit of respect. The girlfriend found a new man, picked up his meth habit, and was in prison when I last checked.

7. Your vacation time is your own.

I dislike vacationing intensely – maybe I’ve got a touch of Obsessive-Compulsive tendencies or some such, but I’m happiest when I’m working steadily and routinely. Vacationing with a wife would be agony for me even if we could agree where to go (no chance of that), and letting a wife vacation without you is marital suicide.

8. You won’t be humiliated in public by someone you loved and trusted.

When withholding sex fails to move you, or maybe she just nuts out one day, but women cannot seem to resist the urge to humiliate their husbands in public, rat on their sex lives, or whatever. Such behavior is a deep betrayal of the trust one should invest in one’s significant other, but I’ve never seen any woman ever be able to maintain the slightest degree of discretion about her husband’s quirks, foibles, or personal secrets.

9. You won’t have to serve as your wife’s proxy thug.

Women love using and testing their men by having them perform acts of violence at their behest – this gives women protection and deniability in the ensuing physical and legal melées. We see echoes of this whenever some feminist idiot wanders in here and demands we do something – anything – to stop rape, or online harassment, or whatever other bug just crawled up her thigh. This damsel-in-distress trope is nothing more than the bullshit manipulation of men; it criminalizes men and robs women of their agency.

10. You won’t suffer the marriage tax penalty – or subsidize her shoe collection.

Marriage is an economic disaster for men – not only in divorce, alimony and child support, but also in a happy marriage. Women rarely deign to marry impoverished men, or even men who earn less than they do. This means that those “lucky” married men suffer double-extra taxation – not only will your wife burn though your money, but the federal tax structure (in the US, anyway) is generally higher for the married than for two single people.

11. You won’t have to suffer her physical assaults on you.

The current feminist culture supports the right of women to physically assault men at any time for any reason. There may be good explanations for this from evolutionary psychology – women hit men when men show some emotional weakness as a way to get them to “man up” in the face of the woman’s need for a strong protector. Men are shamed and discouraged from reporting these assaults, and state and federal laws driven by the Duluth Model of gender violence often result in the arrest of battered men, rather than the women who attacked them.

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Well, that about covers it for now, except for the shaming: Yes, I’m a selfish, mean bastard. I’m so ugly, stupid and nerdy that no woman would want me. I’m missing out on so much love/personal growth/sex/companionship. I’m probably gay. Or, whatever.

Yawn.

Women are going to have to come to terms with the terrifying fact that men are growing beyond their ability to control. We will be exploited and chained no longer – there is nothing positive in slavery to a woman, and endless suffering. One by one, men are waking up and moving on to places where women cannot follow.

If you see a carefree man skipping off into the forest one day, well, that’s not Bigfoot. It is me.

About August Løvenskiolds

Once he stumbled onto GirlWritesWhat's videos, August Løvenskiolds, aka The Bibo Sez, started eating red pills like they were tic-tacs. He likes debating feminists, but knows this stage will pass soon enough.

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  • OldGeezer

    “If you see a carefree man skipping off into the forest one day, well, that’s not Bigfoot. It is me.”

    Your only concern then is avoiding female bigfoots. (Bigfeet?)

    Incidentally, kindly avoid that attractive forest glade on your left. It’s already occupied and the beat up (but very reliable) old vehicle parked there is protected by a snarly guard dog … not to mention its snarly owner. :)

    12. You’ll also be able to keep your own choice of snarly pets who share your strong aversion to emasculation … both physical and sociological … and who eat those yappy little decorative things the women seem to prefer for lunch.

  • http://gravatar.com/zorroprimo Zorro

    “Dealing with a woman means being subjected to “female redecoration syndrome”

    I have often marveled at how many men live the lives of sled dogs to wives who suffer compulsions to move what’s on the left of the garage to the right, and from the right to the left, to switch shelves…and then claim they “organized” something. I watched my father spend his entire adult life perpetually rebuilding and repainting ‘my mother’s house’ until I was old enough to take over the duties.

    Get married? I’d rather rip out my eyes with salad forks.

    • Bombay

      Yes! Again! The x spent so much on redoing everything as much as she could that then she would complain there was not enough money for anything else.

      And the things that she would hate – would all of a sudden turn into something she liked – if it became fashionable. If she were a man there would be a cyclic purchase and then getting rid of thin and thick ties.

      • Zorro

        http://www.businessinsider.com/indian-casual-sex-means-marriage-2013-6

        In India, if you now have sex with a woman, it seems you are now bound to her as if you were married to her, with the state able to force resources/alimony out of you to give to her. If you do not marry her, the woman, who had consensual sex with you, can charge you with rape, thereby allowing the state to lock you up and put you in prison gangs I suppose to do slave labor which ultimately will give the woman resources through a welfare program in some way.

        I feel so sorry for the men in India, I have many indian friends begging for entrance into the USA, they say India is a disaster, they want to leave. The world’s largest democracy doesn’t seem very friendly to men who want sex. I can’t even imagine being somewhere that having a one night stand entitles a woman to half (or more) of my financial resources and gives her the right to lock me up for rape if I do not marry her, how does India not collapse into civil war with such biased laws? Amazing what slaves men will let themselves be made into.

        • Omti

          A cynical thought… maybe that’s their way of population control. Make it impossible for poor guys to have sex and force the rich guys to pay for all the bastard children.

        • bewareofdogma

          Did you actually read the article?
          The government changed the law. This change then means that a woman would be bound to marry the man also. If she does not marry him, the man, who had consensual sex with the woman, can now charge the woman with rape, thereby allowing the state to lock her up and put her in prison gangs I suppose to do slave labour which ultimately will give the man resources through a welfare program in some way.
          The new law goes both ways.

          Check out the following article-
          http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2013/05/23/outrage-after-sharia-court-allows-rapist-to-marry-his-13-year-old-victim/
          This Malaysian law lets a man (pedophile) rape a child legally. He just marries her to avoid a prison sentence. Always nice to be raped then have to marry your rapist just because he doesn’t want to go to prison. Pretty sweet deal for pedophile rapists in Malaysia.
          Men who think rape isn’t rape need their heads examined.

          • http://www.genderratic.com Typhonblue (Asha James)

            Almost as sweet as female pedophiles. They don’t even have to marry their victims to get away with their crimes.

            Also Malaysia is not India and feminist groups in India ensured that men and boys have no protections against female rapists.

            A woman can’t rape a man or boy in India.

            How’s that for women not thinking rape is rape? And enshrining it into law!

          • Stu

            People who think consensual sex is rape, or think it is a marriage, need their head examined.

          • cuatezon

            bewareofdogma smells like a mangina…

            “Don’t go away mad…just go away” ‘Swede’, from the movie Heartbreak Ridge, circa 1988.

  • JFinn

    Great lists.

    13. You won’t waste an obscene amount of time on a future enemy.

    It’s bad enough to to have nothing to show for all the sacrifices and time you’ve spent. But to have it actually haunt you for years or till the day you die? Fuuuuck that.

  • Mark Trueblood

    I wonder if female-initiated wedding proposals will become a sizable trend.

    • TPH

      LOL! That would be nice, instead of a diamond engagement ring, the women might have to spring for a 2 week Elk Hunting trip on horseback in Wyoming or Montana.

      • Kimski

        Great! So a two week hike in the Ural Mountains of Russia, looking for bigfoots, is not entirely out of the question, I guess.
        Now that would be a serious honeymoon trip by any standard.

        • http://vilo13.blogspot.com/ Lucian Vâlsan

          I’ve been there (the Ural mountains of Russia, that is) – no Bigfoots… But I’d send some feminists there though to look deeper. As urban non-survival able fucktards as feminists are – it’d be a good riddance :))))

        • crydiego

          Kimski
          Bigfoot got married so he doesn’t get out much anymore, it’s unlikely you will spot him around his old haunts.

          • cuatezon

            LMAO! Good one crydiego

  • Bombay

    Eleven times yes! I cannot tell you how many times my X purposely embarrassed me in order for me to comply to her wishes. All these abuse behaviours that no one should tolerate to assert their will – that is what marriage brings out in most women.

    • TPH

      No kidding, same here. She would wait and choose the most opportune time to act out or convey personal information for the purpose of inflicting emotional pain.

    • cuatezon

      Shaming & emasculating are major psych warfare weapons women use against men. Shaming or embarrassing a man is the equivalent of calling a woman a ‘cunt’ in public. Not good, not nice. Yet they do it all the time to us men, and its not only condonded, its encouraged.

  • http://gravatar.com/jwquiroz JQ

    “If you see a carefree man skipping off into the forest one day, well, that’s not Bigfoot. It is me.” Just don’t become any sort of “Alexander Supertramp.” Be prepared wherever you go.

  • http://gravatar.com/progressivescan1 KARMA MRA MGTOW

    How I miss Tom Leykis.

    • Zorro

      Sex with other people is listed, but if you take what just happened in India http://www.businessinsider.com/indian-casual-sex-means-marriage-2013-6

      You can’t have sex anymore (Well unless you use a real doll or sex robot or youporn), doing so seems to entitle the state to get in between you and the woman and force vaginamony payments from you, if you don’t comply, it seems the woman can successfully charge you with RAPE and thereby perhaps put you in a prison chain gang as a slave who no doubt will work for the state and give resources to the woman in that way.

      anengineersaspect.blogspot.com/2011/07/nikola-tesla-mr-tesla-explains-why-he.html

      Tesla said this was coming, society would restructure in ways that simply made men worthless (thier true value in our modern society) and slaves to the queen bee and reproductive needs of the hive, it seems these new laws in India are the beginning of the trend, and probably coming to other governments sooner rather than later. I can easily see something similar to Tesla’s prediction, the men that choose MGTOW, ultimately are worthless to the reproductive needs of the hive in general, so the hive will do everything they can to these drone bees to either come back into the have as mules, or be enslaved in some way to aid the reproductive needs of the hive (taxes, prison gang slavery to help the females and her children – etc etc) or be eradicated or simply starved of resources where they perish early, Tesla said this was going to be the worst time in human history where I guess billions of males will just become worthless and be killed or die off. Sucks for us men :(

      • cuatezon

        Zorro, your first paragraph made me think, tongue-in-cheek, of a threesome…man, woman, and the state. Or the woman & the state pulling a train on the man? Either way not an enjoyable ride for us men…

  • http://gravatar.com/progressivescan1 KARMA MRA MGTOW

    From the great Tom Leykis

    And women wonder why guys don’t trust them..

  • Jim Thompson

    Fantastic essay! I enjoyed a good belly laugh while reading it over breakfast.
    It was all so hauntingly familiar.
    It made my morning.

  • Fredrik

    #8 is enough by itself. I can’t believe that men used to put up with it. (I literally do not believe it.) Was there some kind of tradition of older women telling younger women “oh by the way, men may want for you to use your tongue, but what they really *need* is for you to hold it” that got lost somewhere?

    Or was there some kind of incentive built-in? Maybe that was it. Maybe no woman had to be told before urbanization and no-fault divorce, since she could see for herself growing up how a blabbermouth’s household income and social standing would go down with her husband’s reputation.

  • Robert St. Estephe

    Number 12. You won’t set yourself up to be bumped off by her so she can collect life insurance money from the policy she talked you into buying (to make her feel better since the death of her first husband came as such a shock to her, as she explained.).

    SEE: Black Widow Serial Killers
    http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/09/black-widow-serial-killers.html

  • Jim Thompson

    I especially like: “female redecoration syndrome”!
    I will remember that one to add to my lexicon.

  • courage the cowardly dog

    You mention the decline of heterosexual marriage. I have to wonder if the rise of homosexual marriage is in anyway a result of feminism. I saw a recent study which concluded that the children of gay parents turned out to be gay themselves at a much higher rate than the children of heterosexual parents. So does that mean that homosexuality is much more a function of nurture and not nature as has been claimed and which forms the basis of claims of discrimination? Why do men deprived of female companionship, prisoners, sailors out at sea for long periods of time, resort to homosexuality? And could feminism be pushing otherwise heterosexually inclined men to seek sexual comfort and gratification from sources other than women? I don’t know the answer to these questions. I am not sure whether the recent proliferation of homosexuals is a reflection of acceptance or an increase in the number of homosexuals due to other causes.

    • Peter Wright (Tawil)

      @courage the cowardly dog: “I saw a recent study which concluded that the children of gay parents turned out to be gay themselves at a much higher rate than the children of heterosexual parents. So does that mean that homosexuality is much more a function of nurture and not nature?”

      Would you be willing to show us a link to the “recent study”?

      If children of homosexual parents are more inclined to be homosexual (ie. show us the URL), then might that suggest that straight parents are more inclined to repress homosexuality in their children by enforcing it as taboo? If yes, then the ‘nature’ question is still on the table.

      Not that I care either way about homosexuality being a result of nature or nurture or both. What matters is that men are able to make their own choices without being dictated to by feminists, women or moralists… and the biggest problem those have is that homosexual men are MGTOW instead of ‘manning up’ and marrying a woman.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jane.seemore.16 Tim J Benham

        Peter Wright. Moreover the children of homosexual partnerships are much more likely to have at least one homosexual biological parent than are children of heterosexual partnerships, so the observations are consistent with the “nature” explanation of homosexuality. Of course they may have controlled for this.

        As you say the standard non-theological traditional objection to homosexuality was that is a was a selfish and lazy lifestyle choice. Homosexuals were refusing to “man up” and do their bit to support women while they produce the next generation of cannon fodder,

    • cuatezon

      Most of the women in California are biatches. I even see a lot of the moms emotionally abusing their sons, telling them to ‘man up’ and other overt, covert abuse techniques & strategies. Poor kids, have no clue whats happening to them. Probably why so many men out here are gay. I don’t have anything against gays, I get along with most quite well…but somethings not right here.

  • http://feministlies.wordpress.com feminismisbullshit

    Why would a well educated, financially stable single man risk emotional hardbreak and financial ruin?A marriage contract means nothing when the middle man is the state.

    • Robert St. Estephe

      Soon the State will no longer be a “middle man.” It will be a “middle woman.” If you are considering getting married/reamed, do it soon, before the changeover, while the torture is still bearable (well, barely; for some, at least for the ones who don’t commit suicide).

      “Heil Nanny!” is the State-required salute of the near future.

  • Booyah

    A very worthy 11 reasons to add to Dr. H’s. For me personally 1. and 11. gelled the most but 8 struck me the most strongly, as its something I’ve noticed in my own past and see constantly around me all the time. It’s that dearly loved frequent reminder, now that I have placed myself well beyond the reach of #1. and #11.

    Run forest bigfoot run! :)

    Ironically my mother was trying to play matchmaker with me last night. After 18 months it still goes in one ear and out the other.

    If you hear footsteps behind you it may well be me…. lol

  • Seele

    Occasionally the “lonely hearts” small ads in the papers still have those like: “Mature lady seeks financially secure, generous gentleman; object, matrimony”… or something to the same effect. I wonder how many such gentlemen went for that.

    • cuatezon

      I turned to (lowered myself to) online dating for awhile. Here in Socal, I’d say 90% of the women’s profiles state something about ‘financially secure, financially stable’ and other such verbiage.

      Translation: “I’m a hard up modern feminist woman seeking sugar daddy that I can take for all he’s got”

  • feeriker

    I have often marveled at how many men live the lives of sled dogs to wives who suffer compulsions to move what’s on the left of the garage to the right, and from the right to the left, to switch shelves…and then claim they “organized” something.

    My father had not even passed away yet (three years ago) before my mother sold his beloved 1969 Chevy Suburban that he bought brand new and had twice restored by himself in his spare time. She tried to hide the sale from him (it happened a week before his death from cancer), but he couldn’t help but notice when the guy who bought it came to the house to sign the pink slip (smooth move, Mom!). Needless to say, he was rather upset, something he didn’t need to experience in his already weakened condition.

    Dad’s body was barely in the grave before Mom had his garage workshop completely cleaned out, forty years worth of his tools, hardware, projects, and other belongings tossed to the curb. I don’t think she meant any harm by it and thought she was just “removing clutter,” but I let her know in no uncertain and very visceral and loud terms that I was deeply offended by it. Could she not fucking wait a decent interval to “settle the estate?” I realize that maybe this was one of her ways of grieving and coping with her loss after 55 years of marriage, but it came across to my siblings and me as just callous. I really hope that this example of “female redecoration/reorganization syndrome” was an extreme aberration, but I somehow doubt it.

    Remind me, when my own time to check out comes, to die in hospice care somewhere, away from my own home, so that I can avoid seeing this in action again. I think it would only hasten my exit (which might not be a bad idea, all things considered…).

    • ali

      “Remind me, when my own time to check out comes, to die in hospice care somewhere, away from my own home, so that I can avoid seeing this in action again. I think it would only hasten my exit (which might not be a bad idea, all things considered…).”

      Don’t you dare die because I am a selfish friend who wants to see your comments coming.

  • feeriker

    “Mature lady seeks financially secure, generous gentleman; object, matrimony”…

    It’s wonder that any woman would be stupid enough to publish such an ad and actually expect a response. An add like that screams out to a man “RUN, FORREST, RUN!!!!!!”

  • feeriker

    Even now in my mid-50′s the fires of passion still burn hot in me.

    That’s true of a lot of us in that age bracket. Whoever popularized the notion that a man’s sex drive wanes after age forty was full of enough shit to be renamed a sewage treatment plant.

    The combination of these two factors mean that I would be extremely vulnerable to a wife to wanted to manipulate me by denying sex – I’d have no recourse in law or morality.

    FWIW (admittedly not very much), if you subscribe to traditional Christian doctrine, your wife would be violating her marriage vows by withholding sex from you. In ages past that was considered grounds for (fault) divorce. It certainly wouldn’t give you a leg to stand on legally today, but morally, a husband would be well within his rights to divorce a wife who continued to deny him sex.

    Women, in my experience, are much more “spiritual” than men, in that their overwhelming anxieties drive them to seek comfort and support through faith.

    Actually, they just pretend to be more spiritual, as long as being so is convenient for them and doesn’t demand any deep, genuine personal commitment. The minute any sort of morality that is attendant to spiritualism gets in the way of their avaricious, hypergamous, or promiscuous urges, out the window spiritualism goes, and quickly.

    6. You can undertake risky ventures without being undermined by your wife.

    Another variation of this is that you can take all the time you need to acquire new personal and professional skills and change careers without a nagging, demanding, dependent woman getting in your way and throwing up every roadblock imaginable. That is to say, you can quit your shitty, soul-crushing corporate job that, while it might pay very well, is so god-awful that it makes you dread getting out of bed in the morning and instills in you the urge to bring an AK-47 with you through the office front door and go postal on everyone you see. Of course the only reason you tolerate such a shitty fucking job is because you are shackled to a ball and chain that has become addicted to the vapid, equally soulless middle-class lifestyle that such hell buys (for now), something she benefits from while you suffer for it. The single man, OTOH, can not only maintain minimal living expenses that allows him a comfortable lifestyle with greater job flexibility, but he can spend his free time preparing himself an escape hatch from shitty, soul-crushing indentured servitude, which eventually allows him to easily walk into such a job one morning, announce “Fuck all of you and this job – I’M OUTTA HERE!” and move on with his life while keeping his dignity and sanity relatively (if not fully) intact. A nagging, shallow, status-conscious, parasitic bag of aging estrogen would never tolerate that. Ever.

    Some of us are actually praying that Great Depression II hits sooner rather than later. The sooner bitchy, spoiled bags of aging estrogen are given a wakeup call by socioeconomic reality, the better.

    Women are going to have to come to terms with the terrifying fact that men are growing beyond their ability to control. We will be exploited and chained no longer – there is nothing positive in slavery to a woman, and endless suffering. One by one, men are waking up and moving on to places where women cannot follow.

    Expect the desperate and terrified feministas to double down on the screeching and shaming. Also expect them to grow more brazen in their overt attempts to co-opt and coerce the machinery of government into tightening the shackles on men. That will be the tipping point, the point at which men are definitely not going to fucking put up with any more. God help the white knight/manginas who choose to be the armed muscle for the feministas.

    • Zorro

      Quote: “Some of us are actually praying that Great Depression II hits sooner rather than later. The sooner bitchy, spoiled bags of aging estrogen are given a wakeup call by socioeconomic reality, the better.” /Quote

      I see many men wishing for this destruction of society, they think perhaps thier lot in life will change, maybe in some mel gibson mad max wet dream they see themselves killing toecutter and the guy with the mohawk and getting the hot young blonde (but even in mad max 2 he gets nothing but a truck of sand) I think they are lying to themselves, I have watched too many women crush under poverty, job loss, homelessness, and if anything, it made them more animalstic, hateful, cruel in ways that were even MORE detrimental to the men and other humans around them in thier life, it did not make thier attitude get READJUSTED in ways that were beneficial to Mad Max. Things may be bad now, but imagine a homeless woman eating your face off like a zombie, right now I bet you can go to a restaurant in relative safety and not worry about a bunch of homeless women stabbing you to death.

      Quote: “Women are going to have to come to terms with the terrifying fact that men are growing beyond their ability to control. We will be exploited and chained no longer – there is nothing positive in slavery to a woman, and endless suffering. One by one, men are waking up and moving on to places where women cannot follow.

      Expect the desperate and terrified feministas to double down on the screeching and shaming. Also expect them to grow more brazen in their overt attempts to co-opt and coerce the machinery of government into tightening the shackles on men. That will be the tipping point, the point at which men are definitely not going to fucking put up with any more. God help the white knight/manginas who choose to be the armed muscle for the feministas. /Quote

      anengineersaspect.blogspot.com/2011/07/nikola-tesla-mr-tesla-explains-why-he.html

      Read this by Tesla, he agreed with what you just predict, that the needs of the “hive” and the continuance of the hive, the queen bee, reproduction, would destroy potentially billions of men today, that it would be the ugliest time in human history. That indeed the state would be restructured in ways that MGTOW men who did not aid the queen bee, or the children of the hive, or its reproductive needs, would be eradicated, eliminated, starved of resources, look what just happened in India, new laws making sex and one night stands the equivalent of marriage, Tesla was right. You are trying to fight a fundamental design of nature and biology, in the reproductive game and laws of nature, worker drone bee males are very expendable, practically worthless, and will be destroyed, as a male, I wish it weren’t this way, but I can see the reality of the world araound me, as predicted by Tesla. This mythical tipping point you see, where we descend from the relative civilized society we have now into some kind of MAD MAX scenario doesn’t seem to me to be the panacea you seem to hope it will be, if anything when I watched mad max, I saw lots of men kill each other off, when I watched the POSTMAN with keving costner, I saw lots of men kill each other off. I do not wish for this destruction of civilization that you seem will make things better, I don’t share your optimism, Tesla didn’t either. So keep wishing for it, as civilization falls, more men are going to be marginalzed, but instead of being a wage slave to the state in some way to support the females and children and hive, we will literally be killed off in ways like mad max and the postman showed, not the future I want to live in if I have a choice between that one and this one, why do you?

  • Confused

    Why all the stereotypes?

    The majority of women won’t care if you have a porn collection. Why should they? The kind of women who care are the ones who believe that simply thinking about another girl in a sexual way is cheating. Why would you date, let alone marry that in the first place?

    If you try to attract potential partners with gas-guzzling muscle cars you’re going to attract a few wasteful, selfish people. If you try to attract potential partners with glitzy luxury-esque cars you’re going to get a few greedy people who assume you’re rich and want that money. A reasonable guy/girl attracts other like-minded reasonable guys/girls. You get what you give usually.

    The issue of religious beliefs is a pretty gender-neutral subject. Friendships, relationships, and marriages have been shattered by them regardless. Why did you need to bring up the bunk “women as spiritual creatures” stereotype? If you’re thinking about marrying someone and have yet to discuss religion and your personal beliefs, isn’t that going a bit too fast? If they try persistently to change you instead of listening and trying to understand where you’re coming from there is a problem.

    Reasonable women are real. I don’t know who you’ve been with or what a few bitches put you through, but not all women are soul-sucking manipulators. The women your describing right there is one seemingly obsessed with material possessions aimed towards making her the prettiest queen in the land she is currently forcing you to conform to. Why would you date this in the first place? They’re pretty easy to spot if you hang around them for more than a day.

    Stability is an important thing within a relationship of any intensity. Money is important too, it’s what pays the rent and buy’s food and so on. If someone living with you and partially dependent on you for a portion of the money that goes towards food and shelter see’s you quit your job and change living arrangements can you blame them for feeling apprehensive? Man or women that isn’t exactly a comforting thing to see even if you’re the “bread-winner”. She seemed to support you in the beginning, but sometimes perceived situations cause people to change their opinions of said situation. There was no irreversible commitment in your relationship with her so when things seemed to get bad she cut and run to look for another source of stability. Men do this too, believe it or not. Why are you making this about the women getting pissy?
    As for her eventual end, while you can revel in the fact that her life is now shit, you still dated that. Why did you date that?

    If your partner is forcing you to do something you don’t like, no matter what it is, maybe you should reevaluate why you’re with them and whether you should stay. It might also be a good idea to figure out how you got stuck with them in the first place.

    If your partner is telling personal secrets about you to people you don’t know.. If the trust binding you two together is really THAT important to them, leave. That’s a red flag if I ever saw one. Not all women are like that as well. If someone is in a relationship for you and not something you give them then they won’t disrespect you to such an absurd degree.

    Correction: Immature women love doing this. Instead of valuing your strengths as a person she’s wanting you to show your big burly man power so she can show off to everyone the muscle she was able to catch. It’s true that most women find the idea of a strong man attractive, but no women worth dating is going to ask for you to fight on her behalf just to show off. Again, why is dating or marrying a woman who does this even a problem? They’re really easy to spot.

    People rarely deign to marry impoverished people. Why would anyone marry someone they would be at a disadvantage with? At it’s core, courting and pairing up is a survival game. Would you marry an impoverished woman? Would you marry one that would cause you to become impoverished?
    Not all women are money vacuums and the types who are are easy to spot.

    Not all women will physically abuse you just like not all men will physically abuse a woman. If a women subscribes to feminist rhetoric and believes it is within her rights to harm you in any way, why are you dating her? Why was she on your list of “people I might like to be with”?
    There is no support for your evolutionary theory. There is, however, support for your theory all around in modern human culture. Telling someone to “man up” is a recent development.
    Again, why would you date someone willing to hit you to get what they want?

    Why would anyone with any sense as to who they are or what they want date the kinds of women you talk about in your article? These women are clingy, materialistic, manipulative, and violent as you’ve presented them and in that sense the article is perfect as a “don’t date this type of person, god forbid you marry them”. The pervasive attitude is that all women are like this, though. Why?

    • Kimski

      “The pervasive attitude is that all women are like this, though. Why?”

      Perhaps some of us are not too keen on playing russian roulette with our lives, while trying to find that one, exceedingly rare, golden nugget, that seems to only come in a 1 in 250.000 ratio.
      Especially now, where the laws have made it into the equivalent of putting 5 bullets in the chamber.
      There’s a lot of much faster ways to fuck up your life or commit social suicide, you know. Most of them comes without denigration, humiliation, homelessness, and subsequently witnessing your children grow up to hate you, while they call her new mealticket ‘Dad’.

      Just pointing out, that the deck is heavily stacked against making any other interpretation here, when your opponent have statesanctioned laws in one hand, and a chip on her shoulder in the other. It really only takes one major point of disagreement, and you’re out of the door.

      The odds are overwhelmingly against you making a lucky strike, no matter how much you attempt to make sure of a different outcome, ’cause basically it all comes down to how she might *feel* one day.
      Speaking for myself, I don’t feel a great need to stand in front of that particular gun, given the statistically certain outcome, and the long term consequences to my wallet and health.

      From closely inspecting those statistics, I can tell you that in my country 43% of all marriages ends in divorce. Those numbers tells absolutely nothing about the reality of divorces, ’cause they’re set up in a way that gives an inaccurate description of the factual numbers. They list how many marriages that are registered per year in thousands, and subtract the number of divorces, i.e. the 43%.

      Seven years down the line, the numbers look somewhat more realistic, ’cause the numbers are now 72% ending in divorce.

      It doesn’t take that much brainpower to do the math on what the numbers look like after 10 years, which is why it is not completely incorrect to come to the conclusion that ALL women are like that…
      (+/- a dwindling permille some of us still hope to find.)

    • crydiego

      I have to agree with you. There is far too much, “women are all bad” in the comments to me. The simple fact is that marriage has become a legal contract that either side can break whenever it suits them. It has nothing to do with love and commitment; those things are not even considered in court at a divorce.

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      Soooo….most women never put their best foot forward and never hide their bad traits?

      And you’ve never heard the expression “Love is blind”?

      Because MEN are just as capable of being disingenuous or keeping their “bad side” hidden until it’s too late –

      …the difference being, the LAW is NOT on a man’s side when his dark side starts to show, but a woman has the law on her side even BEFORE she’s officially married. One sexual encounter can entitle a woman to ruin a man’s life forever, while women and women alone have any “choice” in the aftermath.

      • Robert St. Estephe

        The old saying I grew up with was “Its a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.” — Is that chivalry? or maybe its feminism. It is certainly pro-”choice.” I still can’t tell the difference between the horrors of patriarchy and the horrors of social justice.

    • http://themrmglossary.blogspot.com/ dhanu

      @Confused: To your first point: http://wtkr.com/2013/06/29/military-wives-want-porn-banned-from-exchanges/

      I’d have replied to the rest of the points but I’m on a phone. I’d just say that while some women might not be like that, they have the option and incentives to be like that any time. It’s not worth taking the risk. It’s not about whether a woman would abuse her excessive power, it’s about why she should have that power over you in the first place. Would you support any other human being having complete control over another human being’s life, like a master does over a slave?

    • OldGeezer

      What you call stereotypes are simply generalizations based on keen observations over time and, as the responses in general should tell you, they hit home very strongly with male experiences that are very common.

      Of course not every one of them may apply to every individual woman nor marriage, but you’ll look long and hard to find a woman or a marriage to which none of them apply … if, indeed, any such actually exist today. In any case, they sure as hell provide a damned good cautionary list for any man considering marriage under currently prevailing circumstances to be aware of.

    • Booyah

      All Laws Are Like That…….

    • cuatezon

      Confused – you’re clearly an articulate & intelligent person (woman I’m guessing?). You also seem reasonable. So lets use some deductive reasoning.

      There are bad men. There are bad women. The difference is women are substantially more protected under the law. Men are not.

      Women are also protected by the ‘unwritten’ rules of society. Men are not. Example: Women can hit men, but men cannot retaliate or defend theirself. ‘Chivalry’ and ‘White Knight’. Good guys often finish last. The Travis Alexander/Jodi Arias situation is one example.

      Don’t believe me? Think about Domestic Violence (DV).

      1) Thousands of false-rape reports against men. Just think of the Duke University scandal a few years back, or, the story of the father on this website’s home page. There are tens of thousands of these cases each year.

      2) Most studies, private & public, indicate women initiate domestic violence in half or over half of all DV situations. Guess who usually goes to jail though? The men.

      3) Women consistently receive substantially lower prison sentences than men for the same crime, murder, assault, child abuse, etc.

      4) Women overwhelmingly commit the majority of parent-on-child abuse/murder. They often get a small prison sentence.

      5) Turn on the TV and watch any sitcom or many movies. The majority show men as ignorant, drooling, foolish walking penises. The women are portrayed as savvy, intelligent, heroine figures guiding these men through life.

      Ms. Confused, you are right. There are good women out there. They are far & few between. Again, its about risk tolerance. If you like to invest in junk bonds & penny stocks on the hope of a big payoff, it could happen. On the other hand, you could (and probably will) lose your investment.

      You mention the poverty deal. I’ve lived abroad and travelled abroad extensively. While there is poverty in the U.S., its nothing compared to whats in developing countries. I disagree with you. I think that rather than date/marry someone who is financially stable, I would much rather date/marry someone who is emotionally stable and of good moral charachter. Here in Socal, the divorce rate in one of the counties is nearly 70%. Yet is one of the most affluent & wealthy counties in the world. We see similar stats in other wealthy & affluent areas. I actually look to date women who are not wealthy. I do not want the problems that often accompany them (I’ve dated my share of them and most were emotionally void & dumb as a box of rocks).

      I would and do date immigrant women who may not speak the language quite as well here, or struggling with their economics. Yet many are ‘hungry’ in the sense they have ambition, are willing to work hard to succeed of their own accord and not off the back of a man.

      I digress. Again not all women are evil; nor are all men. The point is many, many women take advantage of the legal system, and, of the social etiquette/code of behavior (chivalry etc.) for their own selfish advantage with disregard to men or even their own children. Unfortunately, our society encourages Narcissistic & Sociopathic behavior & personalities in both genders.

  • Redfield

    A few weeks after I married, my disorder (ex) quit work, we had a mortgage, all my life savings (substantial) went into the house (she had none) and effectively what she had done without consultation was hold a gun against my head and said “dance” … Housing market had tanked, the only thing I could do was get two jobs, then three … She, my then wife had made the decision, weighed up the consequences and consciously said fuck you … This is the same for wives that get pregnant straight away, spend excessive money within a marriage and force the partner to pick up the consequences! Its endemic and an epidemic feature of the modern marriage! They know that the consequences of divorce for a male is hard labour until you die, you labour thru the emotional loss of your children, your home and 30-40% of your future income. So the women that do this to the man they “love” do it not that they are femtards, they do it because they lack behavioural constraint because:

    Infantilization: they lack personal responsibility for their actions (integrity), these particular women live in a society that reinforces their ability to have a broad range of social behaviours that would be barely acceptable in young teenagers! Where society gives them leniency to behave this way, society has narrower “acceptable behaviour for males.”

    I personally believe most of the downside of marriage grows from the infantilization of womanhood: entitlement, conceit, lack of interpersonal standards, victimhood … Until women are allowed to grow up and the law of the land changes from being their biggest advocate for these behaviours being a husband is just accelerant to their immature behaviour.

    They are children gaming the system; please stop marrying them at least until the system is fixed! Haven’t we all had a sufficient amount of broken marriages and lives!!!!

    • crydiego

      Well said.

    • Jon

      What many don’t realize is that the true purpose of modern marriage is to literally take care of women, at the expense of men. That is, marriage is a welfare program for women. When you get a chance look up the book “Wives Without Husbands” by Anna Igra. You can get on Amazon and read the introduction online. It’s all very illuminating.

      When put in its proper context, marriage as welfare, it all makes “sense”. According to its purpose marriage doesn’t need “fixed”. As long as women are being taken care of, like children, marriage is “working”. To be sure, modern marriage was NEVER supposed to be fair to men. Men have always been the sacrificial payers into the system. Even when men have been obliterated in divorce it was their own fault – they didn’t pick right.

      It’s all very evil, you know. But, I guess, that’s what we get in a “ladies first” (men and children last) society.

      • Redfield

        Thanks for the book Jon, going to order it today …

  • Jon

    All this talk about reasons why to not get married. Folks, there is simply NO good reason for men to get married in the first place. Marriage just isn’t FOR men. It is FOR women. (Same goes for divorce. And our “family” (hahahahaha) courts.) Modern marriage is explicitly for protecting and enhancing the welfare of women.

    Remember, they don’t call marriage the “ball-and-chain” for no reason.

    • Seele

      Jon,

      The Chinese word for “marriage” is feminine; as the word was invented perhaps a millennium or two ago, it probably proves something. Therfore, it is not merely modern marriage that is effectively a welfare system for women; it’s just been weaponized nowadays in favour of women.

      • cuatezon

        In Spanish, ‘esposo’ = husband…’esposa’ = wife

        Verb ‘esposar’ = ‘to handcuff’

        ‘Esposas’ = ‘Handcuffs’

        Need I say more?

  • http://Yahoo lugger2010

    Regardless of you’re musical tastes, heed the opening 2 lines from the song, “Ladies Night In Buffalo…” (David Lee Roth- “Eat Em And Smile”)
    ..”Talk about the high cost of lovin’,
    I think I hear my freedom scream…”

  • http://gravatar.com/johntate1 MGTOW-man

    In reference to the above, #2, #8, and perhaps a few others listed in the “new 11″ article—It is a general trend and historical reflection that women want to punish men for not seeing and doing all that they (their feelings) dictate. They have always been this way but feminism has given them the power to now be even more adamant about punitive enforcement of whatever it is that THEY “need”.

    You say the same thing as I do, but just in a different way. Not absolutely talking about ALL women all to the same exact degree, but in all women (more or less, perhaps suppressed by some, thankfully), it is their “right” to punish. …Sort of an equalization against men for nature making men and women different.

    However, it is men who tolerate this meanness. Foolish men. That is why I can sum up your “new 11″ with #12; …Because smart men do not want to be a had-sucker, herded-coward of a fool. They looked before they leaped, dammit.

    Thank you for this article. It shows you are able to sum things up accurately. It shows that you can point fingers at women, but not mean every last woman out there. And on that note, thanks for not apologizing for saying “women this” and “women that”. We know what you are doing and we also know you are right. PC, here, is wrong and foolish. Glad you didn’t succumb.

  • Bill

    This article just redoubled my joy in finding this site, and my pride in making a financial contribution to it (though a humble one.) Keep it up!

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      Thank you, Bill, and every bit helps. And hell yes, I’m keeping it up!

  • Nemoque

    These sound more like reasons to hate women rather than reasons not to marry. I do recommend that men should not marry, but I do not hate women. I actually love or like them, but the legal system makes marriage risky. Women, despite what you may have heard, are human beings. I do not claim to understand them, but I do not believe that they are zombies from another planet.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      Being angry at the shitty things that women do to men does not necessarily imply the hatred of women. Expressing your anger is yet another thing that women don’t tolerate in men, and would be reason 12 in my list of reasons I refuse to marry.

      And they are zombies from THIS planet, dude, THIS planet. That’s reason 13.

  • Andy Bob

    “The kind of women who care [about porn] are the ones who believe that simply thinking about another girl in a sexual way is cheating.” (Dazed and)Confused

    Can it be possible that you are unaware that most women do indeed consider their partners “thinking about another girl” as akin to cheating? I have only ever known two heterosexual couples who integrated their mutual interest in porn into their sex lives. My other straight mates need to stash their contraband like naughty schoolboys fearing the wrath of Sister Mary Jacinta.

    “Telling someone to “man up” is a recent development.”

    Are you kidding? Man-up rhetoric is virtually the central theme of Western literature from Homer, all the way through to Shakespeare (Macbeth, Hamlet, Othello, all of the history plays and most of the comedies), and up to the present day.

    Watch some TCM to see how often leading men, like Clarke Gable and Spencer Tracey, were required to bite their respective bullits, and fulfil their man-up destinies. Most coming-of-age movies of the last three decades involve some rite of passage leading to the protagonists knuckling down and accepting their adult duty as disposable resources for others – usually some big-haired girl with too many teeth.

    Your NAWALT apologia is a predictable deflect-and-deny response of a woman who simply cannot accept that women today have a severely warped understanding of how to participate in a romantic relationship. Entitlement is encouraged and applauded, and exploitation supported and approved.

    Rather than acknowledge this, you prefer to blame Mr Løvenskiolds for ‘failing to spot’ toxic women, thus, entirely missing his point that this toxicity has become standard behaviour, and is masked with great dexterity. Unlike many NAWALT apologists, you at least had the sense not to stop short of telling him to man-up and get over himself.

    Most women these days behave despicably in their relationships, creating havoc and despair for their partners – taking full advantage of the dire consequences that feminists have established for men seeking escape.

    Women, like Kay Hymowitz, are starting to ask why so many men are ‘failing’ to man-up and GTOW. When men try explaining it to them, they just won’t listen, prefering to issue passes to the princesses, while pointing fingers of blame at men. Women may not want to listen, but, unfortunately for them, many men are listening, both to Mr Løvenskiolds, and to the flimsy denials of women like you.

    If, God forbid, you happen to be a man, Confused, I can only hope your staggering naivete does not lead you to make unwise choices.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      Thanks, Andy. If Confused does marry, it will only lead him/her to experience the truth of my post in a most humiliating way. I’d even attend his nuptials in order to “catch the garter”, the old tradition of designating the next man to wed. I have large collection of such bridal garters; I’m immune to their supposed effects. For me, it is like jumping on a grenade.

      • Kimski

        “For me, it is like jumping on a grenade.”

        Thanks for an excellent idea, along with this years most precise metaphor, Mr.Lionshield. I will do my utmost to follow your example, while thinking on it as another one caught is another man saved.

        I enjoyed reading the article and I don’t actually hate women, in case anybody is wondering. I only despise the power they have been given, to destroy the lives of children and men on a whim.

      • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

        This is a total classic, “For me, it is like jumping on a grenade.”

        I’ll pay it forward.

    • cuatezon

      Damn. Well said. I have the same thoughts, no, I know these same truths but just can’t articulate it as well as you did. Kudos.

  • aimeemcgee

    I struggled a bit with this article August, but instead of “shooting from the hip” with an answering remark, I let it rest and contemplated it.
    My thought: How can women who are not like this help other (younger) women see that there is another way?

    • Kimski

      By putting an end to the constant infantilization of young girls, while making them believe they are little princesses, and giving in to their every demand whenever they cry.

      They are way too smart not to weaponize it later in life.

      Just my 2 cents.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      Most girls are exposed to the idea that men are shit and unworthy of respect. Mothers should be teaching their daughters (through both words and examples) that both men and women are intrinsically valuable for more than just their utility. A mother who seeks to damage the father of her children wrecks her kids as well.

      • feeriker

        Mothers should be teaching their daughters (through both words and examples) that both men and women are intrinsically valuable for more than just their utility.

        Unfortunately, I think we all know that the odds of a large number of mothers inculcating their daughters with such values are somewhere south of zero. A few will and do, to be sure (the women who regularly frequent this site are perfect examples), but the majority of women, even those who consider themselves to be the polar opposite of feminists, can’t even fathom the concept of valuing a man simply for who he is as a human being, independent of his utility to them (or lack thereof), much less voice the concept and instill it in their own daughters. It simply goes against both biological hard-wiring and millennia of social conditioning. Like MGTOW, it would require a conscious effort to overcome their own natural programming, something that few are capable of doing.

        • Redfield

          Absolutely in agreement feeriker … the hard wiring may not change overnight but it will change … A quick fix would be to change the family court structure, too late for me but not my sons … Here is the duality of my life, I am about to head off with my youngest to meet three married women down the park with their kids, they all work and contribute to their families, I feel totally comfortable having a parenting day out with the girls … I don’t see the problem with my attitude or theirs but as being more systemically based!

  • John

    1: this all sounds really rapey 2: it really makes guys out to be pathetic and only caring about little things and themselves 3: makes it seem like all guys (the readership at least) can’t hold meaningful relationships and that’s really sad 4: it doesn’t at all bring up the *compassion* that this site is supposed to be about. it just makes guys out to be monsters, which i thought this site was against???

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      Hello, Michelle, er, “John”. I’m glad you so enjoyed my article. From your language, it is clear that you, “John”, are about 18 years old, female, and have been exposed to a Womyn’s Studies class somehow.

      I know how terrified you must feel that you’ve got nothing to offer men, and no means to control us. You cannot shame us, and you cannot enslave us by calling us “rapey” or “pathetic” or “monsters”. What a crazy, foolish girl you are.

      Our compassion for each other is that we don’t allow men to be damaged by wretched, man-hating women like you.

      Our message is spreading, and feminist twits like you have good reason to be scared, because it means that men are free, and that is something you cannot stand to think about.

      As your youthful looks begin to fade – and they always do – you will find it harder and harder to manipulate men. This will make you angrier and then, depressed. Meanwhile, the men around you will be growing wealthier and less interested in you. You might want to learn a skill that will support you, because no man will want to.

    • http://www.genderratic.com Typhonblue (Asha James)

      1. Duluth labels “with-holding sex” as a form of abuse. 2. A partner that makes you destroy anything that you value in a jealous rage is abusive. 3. Why should anyone hold a relationship with a group of people who they have no recourse against should they turn abusive? 4. It’s compassionate to recognize the legal situation men are in. 5. People like you who think anyone is “owed” a relationship are acting rapey, pathetic and monsterous.

  • crydiego

    For me, it’s not about women or men. In the past marriage meant what it means today for a man. “This is where the importance of your life begins to diminish and the importance of your family replaces it.” In the decision to marry you were once respected by other men for putting down your childish things and taking on the responsibility of provider. It was the ultimate move into manhood. It was a time of passage and other men stood with you in support. The first move may have been to serve in the military which would prove your commitment as protector.
    The difference now is that you are not honored for becoming a provider. Instead, married men and men in general are the brunt of jokes and openly ridiculed on TV.
    The simple fact is, there is no honor in marriage anymore. I was recently at a wedding and got a chance to see older men talking with younger men, (doesn’t happen much anymore). The young men that were considering marriage were not given much respect by the older men and were bombarded by the question, why? What ever answer the young man gave was answered with, “That’s not a good enough reason to commit everything you own and your freedom.” I don’t remember any man recommending getting married and a few said marriage was for fools.
    Have we come to a place where the entire reason for men giving up the freedom of youth and committing to the responsibility of marriage and a family is being eroded away? Yes, I think we have! Men are starting to feel sorry for married men and that pity is the ultimate shame.

    • cuatezon

      Diego – especially in post-WWII conflicts & wars, its often economics, oil, affluent interests (not national interests) that drive military engagements. Not all, but many. Its really another topic but just wanted to say something. So regarding your serving in the military comment, it was honorable, and it will always be honorable to be a protector of our nation and people.

      I think the primary difference between marriage way back when and now is that:

      1) Men are not respected at all, provider/protector or stay-at-home dad.

      2) Women expect & demand more & more material things, keeping up with the Jones, etc. I think previous generations men & women were content & grateful to have a roof over their heads, food on the table, health & love. Now people worry more about 401K, making millions.

      3) Generally, today its more important to be a ‘team player’, fit in, be popular, be liked…rather than having good moral charachter or honesty, hard work.

      Am I reminiscing about the 1950s? Hmm. Maybe. I realize there were a lot of injustices & social issues that are way better now than in the 50s. I’m very grateful for many things of modern life and society. I’m just sad that we’re losing our basic humanity & belief that everyone no matter how smart, good looking, popular, or whatever, everyone has value.

  • GVrooman

    For decades women have been complaining that marriage is an oppressive institution, even a form of slavery. The late Betty Friedan used to describe marriage as a “comfortable concentration camp” for women. Now we have a whole new generation of men who have no desire to be slave masters or concentration camp guards, and women are still complaining. It seems to me that women should be applauding MGTOWs instead of complaining, because MGTOWs have no desire to oppress women. It just goes to show that you can’t please women no matter what you do. They spend most of their time watching Desperate Housewives on TV. Then they complain that they can’t find men who are willing to marry them. Apparently they feel left out and they want to get in on the action.

    It is not like husbands get any respect. There used to be a billboard down the road from me that I had to pass every day on the way to work. The billboard displayed a picture of a brand new Dodge Caravan with the caption, “Does More Than Most Husbands!” The ad didn’t say if a vibrator was standard equipment or optional, but it never gave me the urge to buy a Dodge Caravan, let alone buy a woman a Dodge Caravan. If a woman wants to buy a Dodge Caravan and plug her vibrator into the cigarette lighter socket, she is perfectly welcome to do so as long as I don’t have to pay for it.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F (Ian Williams)

    Mr Løvenskiolds thanks for this article.

    A mate of mine is about to take the plunge and I suspect to get him out we’ll need a plunger because I see him going down the gurgler with the broad he picked. Plucked or poked. Is it porked? Whatever the word is he needs to watch his P’s and K’s as the princess has already earmarked a new car in a chick-mag after a thorough inspection of the girth of his wallet.

    I reckon he’s going to drop off the radars of his friends. I’ll point him to this fine article but he won’t read it. Perhaps in a few years when he’s poor and mightily pissed off he will to make a comment here adding another reason.

    12 You won’t feel like crap.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      My condolences for your friend. The day when a woman fulfills her lifelong fantasies, and a man abandons his, is called, the wedding day.

  • Prof Rob

    As an African man, I used to laugh at how the white man was being treated so badly by women on tv in the nineties. There was a vicarious enjoyment of watching a group that had caused so much pain in my fatherland suffer at the hands of the so-called weaker gender. The only true heroes I would look for were black gangsters and any men who used to use women for short term pleasure and dump them. As you know, black guys created ways to showcase their escape from female slavery by using them badly as whores in music and crap like that. You can debate whether rap devalues women, I say women have long devalued themselves, hip hop only glamourises the truth.

    Anyway, litte did i realise that what was in the films was actually unfolding as reality. This dawned more sharply when i moved to the UK, where many 40 something year old women were unattractive with wrinkles and had terrible things to say about men in general. And then I met and dated several women, who confirmed all these shocking truths. Worse, when I travelled to my country, I would smell the same sickness infecting my own sisters.

    So this is a universal problem. But I have this to say. First we men must accept our culpability in this mess. We neglected the lessons of our forebears who after many centuries of study found and kept solid places and rules for men and women to live by. We stopped learning, explaining and living by these rules. We started apologising for them, then we ended up running from them. Straight into the chaos we were warned about.

    The sissification of men is nothing new or strange. The use of men by women for money and assets is old. Old men used to curb these things with an iron determination and no man (let alone a bitch) could lead any society without obeying the rules. As a proud card carrying mysoginist pimp, I am clear that those things preserved our species for as long as they have.

    Now here you are, all moaning that a rattlesnake bites? Please! its the nature of the woman to want to cut you down, to test and ridicule you. to love you for a minute and hate you forever. why is this new? marriage was not meant to make her happy, but to give her a home and a life of comfort while she brings forth the race.

    Good luck men, you sad pathetic brothers.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com August Løvenskiolds

      You have a strong voice and an interesting perspective, Prof Rob, and you might want to consider submitting an article expanding upon these points to AVfM.

      Just one thing to point out, though – were it not for the endless materialistic demands of women, would the men who caused so much pain in your fatherland have been so compelled to do that? The chain of oppression, traced back to the source, does not stop at men. So-called weaker gender, indeed.

      The blood of men is shed around the world in a vain efforts to slake the endlessly hungry maw of women.

    • BobTrent

      It was mostly relatively dark skinned people called “Arabs” who were the foreigners who abused the Blacks in Africa. It got far worse when Islam spread.

  • Andy Bob

    “We neglected the lessons of our forebears who after many centuries of study found and kept solid places and rules for men and women to live by.” Prof Rob

    If those “solid places and rules for men and women to live by” are the gender roles assigned to men which ensured that men were disposable utilities obligated to protect and provide for the womenfolk, then you have not understood one of the cornerstones of AVfM’s message.

    The return to traditional gender roles is anathema to the vast majority of AVfM readers, as well as the editorial board. Our ‘failure’ to tow the trad-con line is one of the reasons why they invariably flounce off in a huff, angrily dismissing this site as too progressive to promote their vision of a white picket fence utopia.

    Advocating a return to traditional roles also implies denying women the right for equal opportunities in the workplace, thereby enforcing their economic independence on men. AVfM has never advocated this, but this has not stopped feminists from accusing us of it anyway.

    If you believe that formidable women like Asha James, Karen Straughn, Suzanne McCarley. Aimee McGee and Diana Davison would contribute so tirelessly to a site that viewed them as second-class citizens, then you obviously haven’t spent much time here. The site’s owner, Paul Elam, has repeatedly clarified his position that returning to “solid places and rules” is, in fact, the anti-thesis of everything he stands for.

    The general apathy of men, and our culpability in creating our current dilemma has been acknowledged and explored at length here. However, blaming and shaming the very people who are actually doing something about it as ‘sad, pathetic’ moaners, undermines our efforts and makes you of little use to AVfM. In fact, laughing at white men as some kind of retribution for grievances long past, reminds me of how feminists rationalize their anti-male bigotry.

    AVfM is unique in that it calls for casting off all forms of bigotry and create a unity of focus on getting a better deal for men and boys through understanding that men’s rights are human rights – regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, nationality or class. This can be achieved without undermining the fundamental rights of women. Few MHRAs would support your contention that marriage is a female duty designed solely for the purpose of procreation.

    No viable advocate for men’s human rights would ever resent a woman’s right to
    female duty designed solely for the purpose of procreation.

    No viable advocate for men’s human rights would ever resent a woman’s right to pursue happiness. It only becomes an issue when that pursuit comes at the state-sanctioned expense of men and their children. You comment does not read like that of a MHRA. It reads like the rant of a bigoted, blue-pill misogynist. As such, I suggest that AVfM is not the site for you.

  • Rob7

    @ August & Andy.

    I wrote in earlier as Prof Rob. I had to register to make this new comment.

    It seems to me that the objective here is to step aside and watch the feminist ideology unravel, and where possible to help it out in its destruction. Fair enough.

    Now the reality may once again be that once civilisation collapses all around our ears, due to the efforts of women and their manginas, it will be up to us men and our boys, now and in the future, to repair the mess. We’ve been here before. Many times, many places.

    What then? We cannot completely ignore the true nature of human beings (most men and few women) as driven by higher ideals than just creating chaos for its own sake, although I fully accept that feminism violates this principle.

    My contention is that men will always want to leave their legacy to their sons (possible only through the few decent women). To eradicate this innate desire in men seems impratical and not well explained on this site as far as i could see. A few of us will be glad to let women be women, and lead independent lives, take consequences for their actions and so on. Yet the vast majority of men will still want to partner with women for all sorts of reasons. A voice for men should be for the general broader population of men, not just for the few alpha males.

    And it seems self defeating to cede present and future control/of the state to the destructive forces of feminism and its political enablers.

    But I still feel I am missing something in your arguments, so I will make more effort to read up. In the meantime, my previous comment was also intended to explain that I also have no time for racism (from any group including my own) as this shit about feminism is a common enemy.

    And I have to emphasise that when men know that we are dealing with a very real and dangerous enemy, they ignore that this has been the nature of this creature for generations, its a very sad and pathetic thing to watch. I’ve been there, had the shit marriage, had my kids taken from me, lost stuff etc. But then I took the red pill and decided to see the reality for what it is. Feminism in my opinion, is only the manifestation of a female person’s dark side. A side which is born out of her evolutionary requirement to emasculate a man and control his life for the sake of preserving her own. With a few exceptions, women have no honour, and don’t sacrifice themselves for greater causes, only men do. To expect this dynamic to ever change, now seems to me very naive and laughable, and may easily transform the anger we feel when our eyes open into hatred. Hatred as we know, usually harms its host. We must channel our anger into useful action.

    Peace

    • cuatezon

      Rob7/Prof Rob,

      Sounds like a like of anger in there. Gotta let it out, appears you are doing so which is healthy. Majority of men here do not hate women. Its our love of women and the feeling of deep betrayal by the social viruses of femi-nazism, princessism, narcissism, and sociopathy, that drives us to anger & discontentment.

      I am absolutely, unequivocaly, 100% NOT responsible for other people’s behavior. When someone decides to take our kids away for no reason, financially punish us, create laws/rules that discriminate against us men, its not my fault.

      In fact, anytime a perpetrator(s) victimizes another person(s), its not the victims fault, no matter how naive or ‘foolish’ the victim was. We don’t blame a woman for being raped because she wore a tight skirt to a frat party. Nor should we blame men for marrying a sociopathic narcissist and later losing 50% of his assets b/c he didn’t realize it or she didn’t show her true colors until later.

      We want the same laws & social rules to apply to women that are applied to men. That really kinda sums up this whole movement.

    • BobTrent

      A long time ago when my wife would hit and punch me I asked her to never sneak up on me as that might get an immediate reaction that neither of us, especially, she, would like. She stopped beating on me just a couple of years in. Did no good (“good” from her perspective); I still wouldn’t do what she wanted (which changes, even reverses, day to day). So she gave up.

  • captive

    Here’s a good one for you: http://imageshack.com/a/img580/3963/t636.png

  • Willilly Bab

    11 more reasons not to marry; my story:

    - 1. Your wife won’t be able to manipulate you by withholding sex.

    (yes, my ex-wife seemed to lose all
    interest in sex soon after marriage)

    - 2. You won’t have to lose your vintage porn collection.

    (Since I wasn’t getting sex anymore, I
    used my computer to view playboy pics. Well, she wasn’t too happy with that, so
    she simply smashed my computer, and I had to buy another one. That let to her
    arguing and screaming at me. I was calm, never yelled, but she went ballistic.)

    - 3. You can drive any car that suits your fancy.

    (I wanted used Toyota, she wanted new Mercedes.
    I bought the used Toyota, she cheated, I caught her and told her to stop
    cheating or ask for a divorce, she chose the divorce. Lucky for me I was
    without work and had almost no savings, so she got nothing from the divorce.
    Now I’m successful and have huge savings, so I would have to be NUTS to even
    think of getting married again.) Also, I
    still like used Toyotas, or maybe a cool shiny new Scion FRS, and that is
    something that would lead to another divorce.

    - 4. You won’t have to compromise your religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

    (I believe in God, but I’m not too religious, but that doesn’t affect me much.)

    - 5. You won’t have to watch/hold/carry/rebuild her fucking purse.

    (Yes, she had a walk-in closet full of
    clothes, shoes, and 15 purses, yet every weekend she would spend a whole day or
    two dragging me around while she shopped for even more. It was crazy. Maybe
    that is why I had no savings when I was married, but now I’m single I have lots
    of savings?)

    - 6. You can undertake risky ventures without being undermined by your wife.

    (My ex-wife wanted me to become a
    long-distance truck driver. I said to her “Are you out of your Fcuking mind? No
    way!” She told me that I was a loser and she had no desire to be with a loser.
    So she cheated, then I found out, and then she got angry at me for finding out
    so she demanded the divorce. After the divorce I started my own investment
    company, and now I’m rich enough that I don’t have to worry about working
    another day in my life ever again. So the ‘LOSER’ makes good.)

    - 7. Your vacation time is your own.

    (Now when I want to jet down to Europe or
    Australia, all I do is go online and buy a vacation package and a few days
    later I’m off and enjoying the sun in a place I want to go to, and I don’t have
    to beg or risk long fights and arguments over my choices. It is so nice to have
    peace and no angry Witch YELLING at me for some decision I made.)

    - 8. You won’t be humiliated in public by someone you loved and trusted.

    (When I was married, my ex-wife did not
    want to be seen with me in public unless she was shopping for shoes/clothes,
    she said she was ashamed to be with me, so that humiliation in public thing
    never happened with me, I never got the chance to go that far with her.)

    - 9. You won’t have to serve
    as your wife’s proxy thug.

    (Once while she was having a fight with
    her girlfriends new husband, in her girlfriend’s husband’s house (in L.A.), she
    wanted me to barge in and fight him. He was an avid gun enthusiast and had guns
    all over the place, all of them fully loaded (I think he also did some ‘illegal’
    stuff too). I knew that it would be suicide to just run in and pick a
    fist-fight with him, but she was angry I did not stand up for her. I heard her
    yelling and screaming at him and her arguments were totally baseless. After the
    1 hour of yelling all 3 of them came out and I calmly walked up to him and
    asking what was all the yelling about. He was calm and he said that we should
    not have come, it was the wrong time. I told him that I agreed and I sincerely apologized
    for our interruption and that we would be going now and I wished him the best
    of luck and happiness. He was surprised, he smiled and he shook my hand and he
    said that I as a “MAN AMONGST MEN”. My ex-wife never forgave me for not fighting
    for her in some crazy bitch-fest yelling. I didn’t care about that, it was his
    house, not mine, and I was happy to be still alive.)

    - 10. You won’t suffer the
    marriage tax penalty – or subsidize her shoe collection.

    (Luckily for me, I was broke due to her
    excessive shopping, so in the divorce I had nothing to lose, and I did not have
    to pay alimony because I was without work at that time. So I was one of the 2%
    that got out of marriage without any financial consequences.)

    - 11. You won’t have to
    suffer her physical assaults on you.

    (Oh yes, I used to have bruises from her
    hitting or kicking me, almost on a weekly basis. I never touched her, but she
    had no feelings of guilt about using me as a punching bag.)

  • Guest

    HERE ARE THE RULES SINGLE MEN NEED TO LEARN TO ALWAYS FOLLOW IF THEY WANT TO STAY ALIVE AFTER A DIVORCE HAPPENS:

    1 – DATING: Date local women; go ahead, have fun, it’s no problem, but don’t let them ever move in with you because if you do then 3 years later she will be entitled to half of your stuff and to Alimony because the courts consider her to be equivalent to married.

    2 – SEX AND PREGNANCY: = Never take risks; ALWAYS WEAR A CONDOM, otherwise you will have to support her kids after she leaves you, and that will be a HUGE amount, about half of your after-tax income, and it won’t be reduced if you lose your job, and once you do get a new job the courts will demand you make good on all of the past payments that you missed. Such things are destroying men’s lives these days with high unemployment and frequent layoffs. And if you do find a woman to have sex with, have her sign a ‘Sexual Consent Form’, otherwise there is always the chance that she will have sex with you, then go to the cops and charge you with rape. Women do that really often these days.

    3 – SEX AND VARIETY: Imagine eating nothing but pizza for 10 years? After a while you will HATE PIZZA. Same thing for sex with just one woman – it gets stale real fast. So just date around and when you get bored find someone else. And if you are ugly, or old, or old-AND-ugly (like me), then no women will want you anyways and then you have to visit escorts, which will be your only sexual option. I’ve never done it myself but from what I’ve heard from those who have; once guys start with escorts they find there is no going back, the freedom to enjoy a variety of different women is so liberating that no guy wants to go back to being trapped with just one woman (and eating just pizza for the next 10 years). Yes it is expensive to visit escorts, but when one thinks about how much a guy spends on a wife, and how little sex he gets from a wife (once a month if he’s lucky), visiting escorts once or twice a month is actually a great bargain for the average guy. And all of that is WITHOUT even thinking about alimony.

    4 – LOVE AND INTIMACY: If you want love and devotion, get a pet cat or dog, because most likely a wife will cheat on you and leave you for a guy she met while at a nightclub or bar, that’s what my ex did on me, and 1/4 of the guys I know have similar experiences. Think of women as a temporary thing in your life, because as soon as they get bored with you, or as soon as your income begins to drop a bit, they will be gone in the blink of an eye. Now that’s okay if she’s not living with you and not married to you, but if you are MARRIED then you are so screwed, it’s not funny !

    5 – THE LAW: The law here in North America is so bad on men, it’s beyond belief! After getting divorced I’m finally getting successful in my career and over the next few years I will be raking in the cash BIG-TIME! I wanted to see if there was any prenuptial contracts that could keep my income to myself and not give it to the lady I might marry: NOPE, NO SUCH LUCK ! Once you get married all that you earn is split 50-50. So she gets a free ride. If a guy is earning $500,000 per year his best bet is to have a local girlfriend and simply pay her a few thousand dollars CASH each month so that she can pay her rent on her own SEPARATE PLACE, and buy the things she needs. If she complains that it’s not enough, then put your foot down and tell her she’s free to move on if she wants, and it’s safe for you because she cannot go after you for more money because there’s no proof you were supporting her in any way. If you give to her a cheque (check) each month – that’s big trouble because she can use that paper-trail to show that you were supporting her lifestyle and she can then use our court system to demand and get continued support from you. IT’S LIKE HAVING A PARASITE attached to your body and the family courts won’t allow you to rip that blood sucking parasite off your body !

    6 – LEAVE THE COUNTRY: Many wise men these days have moved and are now living in the Philippines or some other foreign country. That is probably THE ONE BEST THING ANY MAN CAN DO RIGHT NOW. If you absolutely must live with a woman, in the same house, and live life similar to that of being married, And especially if you want to have children with that woman; then your only option for doing so is to leave the country and live with that woman in her country and have your children over there. AND NEVER EVEN THINK ABOUT BRINGING HER HERE, otherwise she will change, she will divorce your butt once here in this country, and she will use the laws against you just like any local woman here would too. Women are like that, they follow what the other women around them are doing, so don’t listen to what they say, just understand that you can never bring them here,,,, NEVER!

    For men who want to have children and start a family, there are 2 sensible and logical options open to them now:

    Option A) Get a few pets for companionship, and then buy eggs from one woman and hire a second woman as a surrogate mother to bring the children to birth (that way she cannot claim the children as her own because they are not her eggs.) And you then live your life with only female friends and nothing serious with them, and they never live with you in your house. While that is the only safe option for a single guy living here in this country, it is cold and not very fulfilling.

    Option B) Do like other guys are doing now; move to another country, find a good woman over there, marry her and live with her there in her country, and have children with her there in her country. Good luck trying to even find a job in a foreign country with this bad economy.

  • Guest

    HERE ARE THE RULES SINGLE MEN NEED TO LEARN TO ALWAYS FOLLOW IF THEY WANT TO STAY ALIVE BY AVOIDING THE FINANCIAL DISASTER FOR MEN THAT WE CALL DIVORCE:

    1 – DATING: Date local women; go ahead, have fun, it’s no problem, but don’t let them ever move in with you because if you do then 3 years later she will be entitled to half of your stuff and to Alimony because the courts consider her to be equivalent to married.

    2 – SEX AND PREGNANCY: = Never take risks; ALWAYS WEAR A CONDOM, otherwise you will have to support her kids after she leaves you, and that will be a HUGE amount, about half of your after-tax income, and it won’t be reduced if you lose your job, and once you do get a new job the courts will demand you make good on all of the past payments that you missed. Such things are destroying men’s lives these days with high unemployment and frequent layoffs. And if you do find a woman to have sex with, have her sign a ‘Sexual Consent Form’, otherwise there is always the chance that she will have sex with you, then go to the cops and charge you with rape. Women do that really often these days.

    3 – SEX AND VARIETY: Imagine eating nothing but pizza for 10 years? After a while you will HATE PIZZA. Same thing for sex with just one woman – it gets stale real fast. So just date around and when you get bored find someone else. And if you are ugly, or old, or old-AND-ugly (like me), then no women will want you anyways and then you have to visit escorts, which will be your only sexual option. I’ve never done it myself but from what I’ve heard from those who have; once guys start with escorts they find there is no going back, the freedom to enjoy a variety of different women is so liberating that no guy wants to go back to being trapped with just one woman (and eating just pizza for the next 10 years). Yes it is expensive to visit escorts, but when one thinks about how much a guy spends on a wife, and how little sex he gets from a wife (once a month if he’s lucky), visiting escorts once or twice a month is actually a great bargain for the average guy. And all of that is WITHOUT even thinking about alimony.

    4 – LOVE AND INTIMACY: If you want love and devotion, get a pet cat or dog, because most likely a wife will cheat on you and leave you for a guy she met while at a nightclub or bar, that’s what my ex did on me, and 1/4 of the guys I know have similar experiences. Think of women as a temporary thing in your life, because as soon as they get bored with you, or as soon as your income begins to drop a bit, they will be gone in the blink of an eye. Now that’s okay if she’s not living with you and not married to you, but if you are MARRIED then you are so screwed, it’s not funny !

    5 – THE LAW: The law here in North America is so bad on men, it’s beyond belief! After getting divorced I’m finally getting successful in my career and over the next few years I will be raking in the cash BIG-TIME! I wanted to see if there was any prenuptial contracts that could keep my income to myself and not give it to the lady I might marry: NOPE, NO SUCH LUCK ! Once you get married all that you earn is split 50-50. So she gets a free ride. If a guy is earning $500,000 per year his best bet is to have a local girlfriend and simply pay her a few thousand dollars CASH each month so that she can pay her rent on her own SEPARATE PLACE, and buy the things she needs. If she complains that it’s not enough, then put your foot down and tell her she’s free to move on if she wants, and it’s safe for you because she cannot go after you for more money because there’s no proof you were supporting her in any way. If you give to her a cheque (check) each month – that’s big trouble because she can use that paper-trail to show that you were supporting her lifestyle and she can then use our court system to demand and get continued support from you. IT’S LIKE HAVING A PARASITE attached to your body and the family courts won’t allow you to rip that blood sucking parasite off your body !

    6 – LEAVE THE COUNTRY: Many wise men these days have moved and are now living in the Philippines or some other foreign country. That is probably THE ONE BEST THING ANY MAN CAN DO RIGHT NOW. If you absolutely must live with a woman, in the same house, and live life similar to that of being married, And especially if you want to have children with that woman; then your only option for doing so is to leave the country and live with that woman in her country and have your children over there. AND NEVER EVEN THINK ABOUT BRINGING HER HERE, otherwise she will change, she will divorce your butt once here in this country, and she will use the laws against you just like any local woman here would too. Women are like that, they follow what the other women around them are doing, so don’t listen to what they say, just understand that you can never bring them here,,,, NEVER!

    For men who want to have children and start a family, there are 2 sensible and logical options open to them now:

    Option A) Get a few pets for companionship, and then buy eggs from one woman and hire a second woman as a surrogate mother to bring the children to birth (that way she cannot claim the children as her own because they are not her eggs.) And you then live your life with only female friends and nothing serious with them, and they never live with you in your house. While that is the only safe option for a single guy living here in this country, it is cold and not very fulfilling.

    Option B) Do like other guys are doing now; move to another country, find a good woman over there, marry her and live with her there in her country, and have children with her there in her country. Good luck trying to even find a job in a foreign country with this bad economy.

  • Willilly Bab

    HERE ARE SOME JOKES ABOUT ALIMONY:
    - Alimony is like buying hay for a dead horse (Groucho Marx)
    - No man knows how short a month can be until he has to pay alimony.
    - It’s the screwing you get, for the screwing you got.
    - Paying for something you don’t get.
    - That’s the same as buying corn for someone else’s cow.
    -The high cost of leaving.
    - The wife cries and the judge wipes her tears with the husband’s checkbook.
    - Buying oats for a runaway horse.
    - What is the definition of a faithful husband? One who’s alimony checks arrive on time.

    ——-
    HERE ARE SOME JOKES ABOUT DIVORCE:
    - Divorce = When your wife stops screwing you, and her lawyer starts.

    - It was a rather friendly divorce; we split up the house equally. I got the outside.
    - Q: If marriage is grand, what is divorce?
    A: Ten Grand!

    - Q: If Bigamy is having one wife too many, what is Monogamy?
    A: The same!

    - Q: How do you know if your wife is a good housekeeper?
    A: After the divorce, she keeps the house!

    - ——-

    JOKES ABOUT MARRIAGE:
    - The inherent downside in a life of pursuing women is the possibility of inadvertently catching one.
    - If love is BLIND, and marriage is an INSTITUTION, then marriage is an INSTITUTION FOR THE BLIND.
    - How do men define marriage? A very expensive way to get your laundry done for free.
    - “Marriage Requires commitment to an institution – see “Insanity”.
    - If your dog is barking at the back door and your wife is yelling at the front door, who do you let in first? The DOG – you know he’ll shut up when he comes in.
    - The happiest time in a man’s life is that period of time between his first and second marriages. The problem is… he doesn’t realize it, until the second marriage.

    -

  • BobTrent

    Always maintain separate homes even if you have a “committed” relationship. Never receive mail at her place or PO box, and never give out her phone no. as yours even if you’re staying over there 6 nights out of 7. Of course practically everyone has their own phone now, so this isn’t the potential problem it used to be.
    Women are such flighty creatures that they will be sorry almost immediately after doing something really nasty, like calling the cops on you and claiming that you made her “feel” endangered.

  • BobTrent

    And don’t use Planned Parenthood condoms. They are the shoddiest out there. PP must get them as rejects from condom makers? Funny thing why an organization that promotes and makes millions of tax $$ off abortion would give out condoms that allow pregnancy to happen. You know, pregnancy is usually a prerequisite to abortion, despite a few really smarmy abortionists who do abortions on women who think they are but aren’t pregnant.
    Live like the locals do instead of trying to live like an American on imported American products (which mostly come from China anyway).

  • Acadia

    I think it’s more basic, I’m honestly just not happy being responsible for someone else’s emotional well being. I’m selfish that’s why I don’t want to get married. There is nothing about marriage lifestyle that appeals to me.

  • Melody Ann

    In my opinion, marriage is what lets other people know that those 2 people are taken and in a monogamous relationship. Without those rings on their left ring fingers, it just sets both parties up for unnecessary flirting from other people. I know that with the fact that i am not currently married, but in a monogamous relationship, but with no ring, i get flirted with constantly. Its really annoying. Marriage in my eyes is so important because it is the last step in a relationship that ties the binds between a loving couple in the next to last knot. The last knot would be to have kids. There is no difference between being married and just being together, apart from the legal system asking “married, single, divorced or widowed.” People LET things change once they get married, but that doesnt mean that things HAVE to change. None of the above reasons why men are avoiding marriage applies to my relationship with my boyfriend. Not even the purse thing because i dont even carry a purse… these reasons are stereotypical. I guess i just dont have a normal relationship, but i can say that my boyfriend constantly avoids talking about engagement and marriage. For what reasons i have yet to figure out, but it is definitely none of these.

  • Melody Ann

    In texas, 6 months is the limit of time for a couple living together to be considered married.

    • Shizuppy

      Wrong. Google “common law marriage by state” and you’ll see that it’s extremely difficult to be wed by common law in the US.

  • Melody Ann

    Oh, and FYI, my boyfriend and i both neither one are rich, nor are we middle class. We have jobs that get us by and i am not with him for money. Nor would i marry him for money or get divorced for money. Any woman who marries, has kids and gets divorced for money, is a fucking moron. I would NEVER make him do a job that he doesnt want to do (i.e. truck driving) just so he can make more money. Better jobs and wages will come for us when they come, but i am not going to end my relationship with somebody just because i have to wait to get something nice or expensive that i want. Its called patience. Its not my strongest suit, but i obviously have more of it than most women who constantly want to buy all that girly shit that i happily live without.

  • Melody Ann

    And i am sorry, but guys either not being in a monogamous relationship or not getting married, but dating around and fucking every girl they date, in the words od my high school english teacher (who is a man), “men are dogs.” There is absolutely no reason why men should just think that because they dont want to get married or get married again, that they can just stay single and fuck. A man needs to be loyal to one woman and one woman only. I am not a feminist, but i also dont think its right for men to just whore themselves around instead of either settling down or staying single with no sex the rest of their lives. If its not right for a woman to go from man to man and just fuck everything she sees, then a man shouldnt do it either. If sex gets old with your one partner, then spice it up, dont go looking for new pussy just because you cant handle yourself in the bedroom with your wife.

    Also another jab at the whole “things change after marriage”… people say women gain weight after marriage, but what changes in their life that makes them gain the weight? And i am talking about before she has kids. Her diet and life doesnt change in the snap of a finger just because she is married now. I dont see any reason why a woman should gan weight just from going to living together as boyfriend and girlfriend, to husband and wife. If a woman changes her eating and attitude after marriage, she is a retard and needs a fucking reality check that nothing is really all that different except for the fact that there is now a ring on her fingwr and a piece of paper binding their love.

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