I’ve been an active MRA for a few years, and I’ve written and read a lot of different arguments.
Some of them are as follows:
- Men have no reproductive rights;
- Men are sentenced unequally in criminal courts[1][2];
- Men are a disposable commodity in Western society;
- Men are 9 out of 10 of the homeless[3][4];
- 4 out of 5 suicides are male[5][6][7];
- Fathers are extorted and abused by family courts[8][9][10][11];
- The media portrays masculinity as either childish and stupid, or violent and evil;
- Men die earlier[12];
- Men are the majority of the victims of violent crime[13];
- Although women dominate higher education, female favoring affirmative action persists[14][15];
- The wage gap is a lie [16][17][18][19];
- The 1-in-4 rape statistic is a lie[20][21][22][23][24]
et-cetera.
This short list represents a sample, rather than an exhaustive list, but these items are not areas of debate. They are not subjects on which it’s a matter of opinion pending the discovery of better data. Certainly some of them are still central in campaigns of purposeful disinformation by dishonest ideologues, but liars only change perception, not reality. And the arguments surrounding these issues on the opposing side to men’s rights are feminist arguments, even when those making such arguments don’t self identify as feminists.
Having said that, it’s important to distinguish feminism as a thing separate from women. The crowd endlessly claiming men’s rights activists just hate women seem unable to make this distinction, and we have to have patience with the learning disabled.
However – the issues of male exploitation and suppressed human rights are, from the oppositional side; matters of gained advantage for women. As an example, men’s total lack of legal reproductive rights mean that women have powers not only over their own bodies and choices, but they also enjoy the power of control over the lives, freedom, finances and careers of men.
By the way, the usual, puerile argument in this case is that the choice to have sex equals the choice to reproduce. That argument failed with the advent of abortion rights for women.
In addition, almost all opposition to male human rights takes the form of personal attack, straw man and other ad-hominem arguments. It appears that for ideologues, the only way to “defeat” men’s rights arguments is by changing the topic or silencing the human rights advocates making them. However, there remains a third side to the debate. This is the agreement with status quo through silence.
We’re not really modern humans with a sane modern ethic. We’re jumped-up cavemen with modern technology.
Returning to that first item in the list, that men have no reproductive rights, this is not a matter of debate. If you think it is, my respected fellow MRA GirlWritesWhat may have a few words for you.
Women not only enjoy the legal self determination at every single step and decision leading to reproduction, they also enjoy state-enforced power over men’s lack of personal autonomy in these matters. Enjoy being the operative phrase. In fact it is emblematic of the stated positions of the men’s rights movement. The enjoyed advantages and privileges gained at the expense of the subtracted civil rights of men are at the core of the silence of the vast majority of women.
There is a comfortable self deception in a thought process which occurs in almost all women. It includes the idea: “I’m not the one denying your right to reproductive self determination.” But this idea is a lie. By your silence, you are supporting the continued treatment of men as a disposable commodity. In fact, in any number of supposed human rights initiatives benefiting women – but which ignore equivalent issues impacting men, the activists promoting those causes are indirectly supporting the equivalent victimization of men. All violence against women initiatives do this.
This is because in every area of violent victimization of human beings, including rape, men comprise a larger victim demographic than women. This sounds like a hyperbolic claim because almost all public messaging on the topic is dominated by special interests who benefit by maintaining a narrative of women’s exclusive ownership of the status of victim.
Expressio Unius Est Exclusio Alterius is a Latin dictum expressing a principal of western thought, particularly in law that the expressed mention of one thing, implicitly excludes all others. In application, in the situation where men and women are victimized by violence at similar rates – but efforts to reduce this violence focus exclusively on women as victims – constitutes a practical support for the escalation of violence against men.
This is what almost all funded violence reduction initiatives do. It is not by mistake. To the actors and lobbyists of the billion dollar grievance industry, anything subtracting from the easy and heart-tugging story of doe-eyed and decorative female victims means a reduction of access to government funding and public donation. This is why honest reporting of actual rates of victimization showing sexual symmetry is constantly obscured by advocacy research from the sexual grievance industry.
This is only one example, but it’s out in the open for anybody to see. Like a greater fraction of the issues continuously addressed by men’s rights advocates it doesn’t need to be explained to anybody with a passing acquaintance with current events. Despite this, the response from the public is a resounding silence. Followed closely by the facile solipsism of : “Not all women are like that.”
Where once the very real threats to female humans mandated their protection at male expense, we now have and industry that manufactures the illusion of those threats in order to maintain their advantage.
The feminism of the real world is built on hatred and violence. Violence supplied by “good men” like you, who believe their own worth depends on utility, rather than the innate value of your own humanity.
This embedded belief is why the men’s rights movement is necessary. Because “good men” continue to buy into the abyssally stupid idea that of all the different human demographics – males don’t deserve to be valued as human beings, only as human-doings. In fact, “good” men take pride in this culturally accepted disposability, and imagine themselves as “brave” or “honourable” by the degree to which they embrace their mortality for somebody else’s convenience. How noble of you to work yourself to an early grave in a coal mine, or fishing in the atlantic, or the crushing pressure of the corporate ladder.
As it turns out, the ethics of human societies are those they can afford. “Women and children first” is a group survival mechanism, it preserves the reproducers and the offspring at the expense of males. Its the oldest deal in the book, and has real value to group survival in situations of scarce resources or lifeboats.
The problem emerges when human culture evolves past the need for a purely survival driven ethic. In a modern technological culture of abundant food and other resources, that ancient women-and-children-first ethic of survival must be arrested, otherwise it manifests as a malignant drive towards apartheid. We’re not really modern humans with a sane modern ethic. We’re jumped-up cavemen with modern technology. We’re still conforming to an ethic which kept the species alive in periods of famine and tribal wars. but that now turn inward destructively in an age of relative safety and abundance. We live in a world of mechanized agriculture, advanced medicine and every other life enhancing feature of modern technology.
Unfortunately – despite our relatively large brains, the built-in ethic which served us in pre-agricultural societies is just as strong as it ever was, but is now expressed by disregarding the humanity of males where it is neither necessary or currently ethical.
An ideology has formed which exploits this for the political and economic advantage of it’s operatives, and this is the ideology of eternal female victimhood and masculine malice. Where once the very real threats to female humans mandated their protection at male expense, we now have and industry that manufactures the illusion of those threats in order to maintain their advantage. Its the doctrine of hate and violence against the disposable human demographic, pretending to humanism, and calling itself feminism. As much as this superficially benefits women, it’s men who are the enforcers – and who do so by defining acceptable masculinity as self sacrificing, disposable humans.
How brave and honourable such men are to define their own disposability as manly. Yes, how brave they are to totally conform to a public zeitgeist of their utility. Go along with the crowd – that’s certainly admirable. Meanwhile, those who dare to declare themselves humans of innate human value while male, and not disposable – those conforming “good men” along with women who superficially benefit from the disposability of men rise up to condemn any males who dare to self actualize. Or, they remain silent.
Most women have no strong moral position apart from a lock-step conformity with whatever flattering pseudo progressive pablum they’re spoon fed through popular media. Between Oprah, and The View and the two dozen standard women’s magazines grabbing attention at supermarket checkouts – there is not a whispered breath of implied adult accountability. Women are constantly spoon fed the saccharine treacle of goddess-hood along with equal dose of you’re-too-fat-and-plain shame to keep them buying useless face-paint and stinkum and ignoring anyone who’d treat them like adults. They’re certainly in no danger of growing out of extended childhood while its easiest for corporations to sell to locked-in permanent immaturity.
So when anybody points out that they’re actually the most pampered, free-from-accountability humans who’ve ever lived, their immature minds vomit up some inculcated talking point to shame, silence or change the topic. “1 in 4 women is raped!” Or “the wage gap!” or “women have always been oppressed” – all of which are puerile, simplistic lies designed to silence and shame.
And when it comes to addressing the reality that our society runs on the corpses of disposable men, there remains, from women, a resounding silence.
For the vast majority of women, this is the default. But of course lets not forget that not all women are like that. Polling my contacts and acquaintances on four continents and a dozen countries, I happen to know half dozen who are not. For the rest of you, your continued silence is deafening.
Part 2 – Silence of the man.
[1] http://ncfm.org/2011/04/issues/criminal-sentencing/
[2] http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf
[3] http://www.crisis.org.uk/data/files/document_library/research/factfile_full.pdf
[4] http://triggeralert.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-i-know-that-something-like-90-of.html
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
[6] http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm
[7] http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec15/ch205/ch205a.html
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJjgOjq5uso
[9] http://www.achildsright.typepad.com/achildsright/titleivd.html
[10] http://www.daddy.typepad.com/
[11] http://mkg4583.wordpress.com/category/title-iv-d/
[12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
[13] http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/vsxtab.cfm
[14] http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_258.asp
[15] http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/06/women-dominate-higher-education-at.html
[16] http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/04/23/the-gender-feminist-wage-gap-myth-appears-to-be-growing-legs/
[17] http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/04/23/gender-feminist-wage-gap-myth-appears-to-be-growing-legs-part-ii/
[18] http://consad.com/index.php?page=an-analysis-of-reasons-for-the-disparity-in-wages-between-men-and-women
[19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_6v-JQ13Q
[20] http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/so-many-lies/
[21] http://antimisandry.com/abuse-dv/one-four-abused-mary-koss-study-update-24633.html
[22] http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html
[23] Nara Schoenberg and Sam Roe, “The Making of an Epidemic,” Toledo Blade, October 10, 1993;
[24] “Examining the Facts: Advocacy Research Overstates the Incidence of Date and Acquaintance Rape,” Current Controversies in Family Violence eds. Richard Gelles and Donileen Loseke, Newbury Park, CA.: Sage Publications, 1993, pp.120-132;
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Jean Valjean:
Charbroil:
Peegies:
Doug1:
Kimski:
Half a dozen? I demand a recount.
Izzey, Bev, Girlwriteswhat…um….
Dr. T, and….and…
Sorry, of course Dr T.
and… my wife… no, wait a minute, she’s exactly like that.
TDOM
and Typhonblue
Kim, of Different but Equal…
She was on Futrelle’s ‘enemy list’ at one time. Maybe still is.
Mala, from YouTube
Hestia
“… it’s men who are the enforcers – and who do so by defining acceptable masculinity as self sacrificing, disposable humans.”
Yes, and their enforcement extends to killing others and dying themselves in order to impose Western society’s feminist agenda on foreign lands and cultures.
That’s not actually what they’re fighting and dying for, of course, but it’s held forth as being a more noble goal than the real reasons. Strangely, or perhaps not, most men seem to accept the argument as valid motivation, not only for self-sacrifice, but for sacrificing other males as well.
Maybe men in today’s Western society really are as gullible and dumb as the commericial media portrays them. I don’t think they always were. I wonder how they got that way and for whose actual benefit. Seems unlikely that those in “lock-step conformity with whatever flattering pseudo progressive pablum they’re spoon fed” could have thought it up all by themselves.
“Maybe men in today’s Western society really are as gullible and dumb as the commericial media portrays them. I don’t think they always were. I wonder how they got that way and for whose actual benefit”
I’m not sure that we could profit from knowing why they got that way even if it could be discovered. Main thing is that they ARE, in fact, in that state. Indistinguishable from the oafs seen on tv. They are and prefer to stay that way. Okay then. Far be it from me to demand that anyone wake up. Most never will and shall consider it a privilege to be raped just as often as women claim to be. If it must be so then let it be so.
The white knights and manginas can be the disposable serfs. I’m okay with that so long as we get to be the cloistered monks that saved civilization. The monks didn’t breed but instead received novices from the world at large.
The monks couldn’t impact the disposability of the serfs but could and did gain special consideration for themselves. I doubt the MRM can ever reverse the tide of feminism but I do think it can contrive a form of refuge similar to the medieval monastery and secure a brand of “benefit of clergy” to those who elect it — though most never will.
I’m sure the real instigators and beneficiaries of feminism, whoever they may be, will gladly accept surrender on behalf of all disposable serfs.
I’m not sure, however, that they’ll be content to permit any cloistering to persist for long, even as a mere refuge. You could find yourself classified as an ememy of Western society (a.k.a., heretical terrorist) and subject to indefinite detention without trial, if not more stringent inquisitorial methods. In that case, the enforcers applying the waterboarding and electrical shocks to the gonads won’t be exclusively male.
Torquemada was a weak-kneed wimp.
“You could find yourself classified as an ememy of Western society (a.k.a., heretical terrorist) and subject to indefinite detention without trial, if not more stringent inquisitorial methods”
They do that now. They only seek to maximize its scope and they will not fail. Will they ever get %100. I doubt it. They will have to hold their collective noses and put up with a few hold outs. Not because they want to but they would be unable to exert sufficient force to compel all. Even the old Soviet Union felt that they needed to merely exile Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov when a bullet to the head would have been much more efficient.
Sure, they are going to go for complete extermination but they have to actually achieve it before the satellites start falling from the sky and the machines start breaking down or they won’t ever get there. The government can proclaim a Gender Studies major to be the equivalent of a nuclear engineer and then send her out to maintain the nuclear arsenal. Somehow I think that the fissionable material is going to over rule the Department of Education. The sciences will have been long ago purged from academia. Any of the potential scientists will be either behind bars or playing XXbox. How do they maintain the apparatus of oppression at its current level much less ramp it up to the degree needed?
“Maybe men in today’s Western society really are as gullible and dumb as the commericial media portrays them. I don’t think they always were. I wonder how they got that way and for whose actual benefit. “
I believe they really were that gullible and dumb, always.
The difference is, that in the past they were more stylistically cool about it. At least, if present-day media portrayals are any guide in such matters.
Well, maybe. But I tend to think that what feminists today mischaracterize as patriarchy and misogyny came into existence and persisted throughout most of the past because our male ancestors (or at least their leadership) realised that societal feminization and male degradation, with all of its deleterious consequences, would be the inevitable alternative. Perhaps that realisation was only intuitive, but that would still make them a hell of a lot smarter than the “modern male” appears to be.
Present-day male “leadership” has discovered a marvelous new way to make subaltern males more subaltern than ever. Have you guessed it? That way is called feminism.
Oh yes, they’re crafty as ever, those controlling males. That much, as I am certain, hasn’t changed.
“Present-day male “leadership” has discovered a marvelous new way to make subaltern males more subaltern than ever. Have you guessed it? That way is called feminism.”
Agreed
Actually, I think we’re pretty much in agreement about that. As a newcomer here (and a “shy Canuck” newcomer at that) I guess I was a bit hesitant about expressing the thought in in such bald terms.
But, if the real roots of the problem are male leadership and male enforcement, why are we so focussed on the various feminist dingbats who are mere purveyers of “whatever flattering pseudo progressive pablum they’re spoon fed.” Shouldn’t we be aiming more at the problem’s underlying (primarily male) origins rather than all the scattered disseminators and symptoms?
Resounding silence from the gender who is allegedly better at communication.
Cognitive dissonance of this magnitude causes Rationalization Hamster to explode like a sausage nuked too long in a microwave.
The image at the following link seems appropriate: http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1011/accountability-wording-might-be-bad-but-the-meters-good-demotivational-poster-1289308247.jpg
“Resounding silence from the gender who is allegedly better at communication.”
Oh…but silence can “communicate” as eloquently as words.
I want a t-shirt that says “I (heart) JTO!” lol.
Hell, I guess I should get one that says
I (heart) male and its opposite Elam.
Great article John. We must call the cards of those who are sitting silently. In the 60′s there was a phrase, “If you are not a part of the solutiopn then you are a part of the problem.” Applies here in spades.
Man’s weakness is his logical mind and his need for words to match concepts. Such a reliance is easily exploited.
Take ‘domestic violence’ for example. How is it that violence is only criminal if it’s the man getting charged, but nothing more than wasting police time if it’s women causing all the bother?
What if instead of ‘domestic violence’ it was called ‘male obedience training’? Doesn’t it suddenly make sense now?
You can be sure that few women need it to be re-branded to know what it is. They designed the whole thing and insisted on it as law. That’s why there is so much silence in the face of objections.
“But of course lets not forget that not all women are like that.”
Should be an apostrophe in lets: “let’s”
Thanks.
I have heard these arguments many times, it’s not just a feminist issue but also traditional women recognizing that their bodies have value. Pregnancy and children reduces their value and they demand to be compensated by the evil penis.
Women everywhere (including feminists) support the patriarchy that removes women’s agency to act as responsible individuals (channeling Typhonblue here).
What we have is legal violence against men and legal extortion in support of legal prostitution of women. Don’t like being called a government whore? Then do something to throw off the oppression of your government pimp or simply be an honest whore and ask for money upfront.
Other topic, but I’m rather pissed at the silence of the right wing feminists at ifeminists and REAL women. I sent them an email last week about the Radfemhub, but so far crickets. They support the Radfems with their silence.
PS: F*cking EPIC article.
At the risk of ruffling Paul’s tail feathers, I have been reading AVfM for several months now, and I am getting the feeling that the future of the MRM is in JTO’s hands. This guy not only knows how to write concisely and cogently (Paul is a super close second), but his *take* on men’s issues is the cream of the crop. I really like Brutal Antipathy and other writers, but JTO addresses the matters that will be covered in history books in the years to come.
Seriously. F*cking WOW!
Our narrative is getting better,
as articles like this are written.
good on citations.
Albeit plainly obvious whereever you go, for some odd reason it must be litteally pointed out, because for some very errie reason people actually believe the opposite. Its the clamor of constant bithing that comes out of the mouths of the female. Whwrever you go, a bitching female is there. So in our profoubd human retardedness, we assume: “oh they must just be victims, they have been wronged, again and again and every single day, that is why the female bitches up to the extent of starting a political movement.”
but its not. its just the power of the weak animal consciouness, the animus, which cannot stop panicing even if its life depended on it.
“Tradition” is dead, chivalry is dead, marriage is dead, it’s becoming more of a Red Herring in the argument everyday. Aside from a few tired old “SoCons” with a book or Televangelists with a pulpit, no one really cares about defending it anymore.
If you were to place your finger directly on the pulse of young men today, I think you’d find they’re losing or have lost compassion (passion) for young women; the worm has turned. It’s sad, but after a few generations of abuse it was bound to happen; that women/feminists would keep pushing until they pushed just a bit too far. Within 10 years less than half the adult US population will be married. Right now it’s about 51%. So much for “tradition”.
We can fondly reminisce about the “good ‘ol days” when men were men and women were women and something called “romance” existed, but we’re all pretending we’re perfectly equal now (except for feminists whose “work is never done”). Besides, they had other challenges besides “working” at relationships.
By objectively pointing out the absurdity of gender double-standards, you’re reaping what feminists sowed. It skews the narrative to a place they can’t defend. It makes people uncomfortable. It would be like openly criticizing the “Dear Leader” in North Korea. It’s breaking society from the “Cult of Woman”.
Excellent article JTO I look forward to Pt 2.
The quote in the article
” Where once the very real threats to female humans mandated their protection at male expense, we now have and industry that manufactures the illusion of those threats in order to maintain their advantage. ”
The actions by current fembot leaders bears striking resemblance to what hitler said :
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
~Adolph Hitler
In regards to the silence we are currently observing well Einstein had something to say about that :
” The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. ”
~Albert Einstein
We live in an extremely dangerous world alright but it is not women who are facing the greatest dangers it is men, for all the reasons you list and more JTO.
To the women who are speaking out you have my heartfelt thanks. The world needs more morally and ethically grounded individuals like yourselves .
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
~Adolph Hitler
These ‘geniuses’ are always so stupid as to overlook the blowback.
I don’t speak out much here, Dan – it’s preaching to the choir.
I DO post frequently on HuffPo, and find there are maybe 4 others who do as well.
I get censored a lot – not for personal attacks or cursing, but simply stating stats, facts and …truth.
I’m often proclaimed to be a man pretending to be a woman. Flattering, except men never seem to think I’m a man.
I wonder if it’s worth the time and effort, but I do think women need to hear other women speak up. Surely I am not the only mother of sons.
OHPC
I am sorry for the troubles you encounter when commenting on huffpo .
I give you a standing ovation for your efforts !
“Oh yes gentlemen, you traditionalists, white knights, chivalry-believers and “good men” are feminism’s enforcers”.
So how do we get through to them? While women like GirlWritesWhat and Dr. T will always be helpful (particularly to battle female bigots), how will men find ways to talk truth to other men given the biological hard/social soft wiring that en-engenders this kind of suicidal chivalry? Do good men, like Daddy Justice, have to go through hell before they lose their religions (God, government or gender-bigot goon) or are there openings wherein good men can be approached before they fall for the Big Lie(s)? For asinine idiots like ManBoobz, hard knocks on the nose are appropriate but the majority of ‘good men’ are merely too ignorant and/or too pussy whipped to know better. Somehow there needs to be some work done on identifying the messages that will work best to ‘get through’ to those ‘good men’ who follow bad women just because that’s all they know how to do.
Ultimately, what matters most is that men roar en masse to the mean spirited matriarchal bigots who hide behind silence. We have to own our own power rather than depending on women (good or bad) to listen to us. As soon as we do own our power, women will listen to us because they will have no other option.
“My brothers’ blood will cover me”: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/world/middleeast/violence-enters-5th-day-as-egyptian-general-blames-protesters.html
Well, sure, dozens, hundreds or even thousands of men have been beaten bloody or killed, but this was a WOMAN!!! Sure, only ONE woman, but as we all know, a single woman’s tears are worth the lives of a thousand men, right? Hilary told me so, and she’s a feminist, so it must be true.
I love how in this “strictly patriarchal society” the beating of a woman can spur huge protests, how the women of that society care more about that single woman than about all the men who were beaten and killed before her, and how it’s their brothers’ blood they pledge to further their cause.
So very patriarchal, and so fucking feminist.
“and how it’s their brothers’ blood they pledge to further their cause.”
Just sit on that for a while. Let that sink in. That we know the depth of what we’re dealing with.
With sisters like that.. -you ain’t my sister, and you ain’t goin’ anywhere near my blood, trixie.
I’m confused. For real (SlutWalkin) feminists, I thought the whole point was to be able to walk naked or next to naked down the street as a form of female ‘empowerment’. Thanks goodness I’ve been so well conditioned by that kind of ‘empowerment’ that I didn’t even see Ms. Blue Bra as a ‘special’ kind of protestor…although I did wonder a bit about the bright blue bra and it’s possible purposes…both personal and political.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has condemned the Egyptian army’s use of force against protesters, especially women.
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/20/144029792/in-cairo-women-protest-recent-crackdowns
Watching the North Koreans announce and mourn the recent death of dear leader yesterday I couldn’t help but think “do these people have the monopoly on weird, or what?”.
Then the news flipped to Hilary Clinton, and I quickly swallowed my words.
“Watching the North Koreans announce and mourn the recent death of dear leader yesterday I couldn’t help but think “do these people have the monopoly on weird, or what?”
i was thinking what they are smokin’, because i want some of that stuff
This twisted bitch never misses an opportunity to spin ‘shock’ over relative trivialities to move the Movement forward. What’s worse is that she abuses the power of the patriarchy to do so. And NPR which uses public funds to shill for gender bigots is just as culpable here too.
Fuck that histrionic affirmative action hire. Far worse than small man’s syndrome is small bitch in pantsuits trying to play a man syndrome. Just hearing her name and I can’t get the image of a shrill little witch wagging her finger in a man’s face out of my head.
This could turn things around quite significantly:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/ns/health-sexual_health/t/male-birth-control-pill-soon-reality/#.TvDmVNUfiO4
There’s going to be a hell of a battle between us and the feminists whenever he first male birth control pill hits the market, particularly in the U.S. I predict a lot of attempts on the enemy’s part to convince men not to use it.
The male birth control pill is going to be welcomed with open arms by all. Too bad it can’t get here sooner.
If it’s hormonal based, it will fail. It’s been known for a long time if you introduce enough external testosterone into a man, the function of his testicles decreases and decreases, both in testosterone production, and sperm production. This method is equal to chopping of the nuts of men and then giving them hormone replacement to offset all the negative side effects. A man going off this pill may never regain his former hormone production, or sperm levels….and be reliant on artificial hormones to avoid a host of side affects from that for the rest of his life.
This isn’t the pill that is being developed in Israel, which doesn’t use any introduced hormones at all, and instead relies on blocking a protein in sperm production that renders sperm incapable of fertilizing an egg. Sperm production numbers and hormone levels are left unaffected by that pill.
I’d advise men to wait until the Israeli pill is available.
The linked article mentions that several of the options are hormonal based and they appear to be effective without causing many side effects.
The side effect will not become apparent until the user stops taking them. It’s called metabolic lag. You take away the artificial introduced hormone, and your body then has a deficiency….your body will try to rebuild its own production, but if the testicles have not been used for so long that they have atrophied…..a resumption of full production will not be possible.
I don’t think feminists, as a whole, are going to support a male pill anyway, unless of course the side effects are part of a biological warfare program ala Radfem hub.
Tell you what, you think feminists aren’t going to oppose the male pill…..I think they will.
How about, if I’m right…..you become a full fledged MRA.
And if you’re right…..I’ll become a full fledged MRA.
Can’t be any fairer then that.
So is it a bet
Also, -wasn’t testosterone used as a muscle-tissue enhancer by the early body-builders? Besides effectively taking care of any chance of regaining a normal sperm level again, it made them extremely aggressive and violent, as far as I remember.
I guess I’ll just stick to the condoms and wait for the world to go over the edge, if that’s what they’re planning on using for the male pill.-Or wait for the israeli pill, as suggested by Stu.
Besides that, having worked in a hospital, I’ve seen too many times how the prescription of drugs were based on guesses,-qualified, but none the less. And if it didn’t work, they just took another guess and prescribed a different drug, without giving the side effects of the first drug prescribed much afterthought.
I don’t have much trust in that kind of diagnostization, doctors or drugs, quite frankly.
The feminists will not support anything that breaks the stranglehold they have over sex and reproduction. If there were female sex bots in the United States, they would be quickly outlawed because of the grave threat they pose to pro slut feminists and women who commit paternity fraud..
Ha ha. Its a bet!
Here’s a link to the Israeli Male birth Control Pill dubbed the ‘bright pill’ –
http://www.israel21c.org/health/a-birth-control-pill-for-men
Excerpt here –
“So far, the new pill dubbed the Bright Pill (a play on Brietbart’s name) has been tested on animal models in a pre-clinical setting, and has been found to work wonderfully on mice. “What we found is that by treating the mice with our molecule we can get sterility for a long period of time; in the lower dose, about one month, and in the higher dose we found three months of sterility.
“Later on the male mouse can become fertile. It’s reversible,” he promises.
Provided in pill form, but also tested as an injection, the male birth control solution was administered in two treatments over three days: One day on, one day off, one day on. In the larger dose group, it took about a week until the effects manifested themselves, but most importantly, the treatment does not appear to in any way affect the sex drive or the sexual behavior of the mice who received it.
“The mice behaved nicely, they ate and had sex”
“The mice behaved nicely,” Breitbart reports, “they ate and had sex; they were laughing, and everything, so all I can say is that we couldn’t see any behavioral side-effects – all their sex behavior was retained, which is a very important consideration for human men. A man who takes this pill could also be sexually active later on and have children.”
Rather than undergo an irreversible vasectomy, a man could sterilize himself for short periods, suggests Breitbart – probably one to three months depending on the dose. And, unlike the female pill, the male pill wouldn’t have to be taken every day”.
It’s another thing women/feminists show a huge and extremely telling silence about.
A sure sign they’re terrified of the control over fertility it will bring men.
I’m imagining a lot of men not only going on marriage/relationship strike, but also many going on fertility strike too AND being vocal about the reasons why in a misandric zeitgeist neither are safe for men.
What a great day that will be!
Jeeze, you reckon there’s some shrill noise from women who stupidly complain they can’t find any ‘good’ (self sacrificial provider/protector) men to marry/cohabit with.
Hell, when this little red pill bombshell hits the market they’ll be howling like banshees in agony. Too bad. They will have brought it upon themselves with their decades long feminist jihad against all things male.
I reckon it will be the next sexual revolution.
@Skiptec
Why do you believe that men will go on a “marriage/relationship” strike if a male pill became available? As I see it, should a male pill become available it may change a man’s attitude toward sex, meaning men who might have refrained from sex with a women for fear of an unwanted pregnancy, might get back in the game. But, a male pill would really have little effect on a woman’s attitude toward sex. It wouldn’t make women any more willing to engage in sex. As such, sex would not be anymore availble than it is today (which is quite available). In fact, with respect to that class of crazy chicks who try to purposely get pregnant, it would likely reduce their sexual activity b/c they would just be waisting their time.
There’s that obnoxious optimism.
Feminists are NOT going to welcome this at all. They’re the ones who made sure the female birth control pill liberated women and not men. They’re the ones who have worked so hard over the decades to ensure that men have no reproductive rights.
Their agenda is about power, and men having the option of taking a pill and not knocking women up is going to grant them a level of power they’ve not known before, and that’s not acceptable to feminists.
Here’s why feminists will welcome a male birth control pill. True soldiers in the feminist movement tend to be educated women. These are not the chicks that sleep with some guy with the intention of getting preggo and hitting him up for some minimal child support money. (Instead the educated feminist is a sperm bank chick who will knock herself up). While feminists will fight for the rights of these type women to be stupid, in actuality they despise these uneducated foolish women who keep having baby after baby by different men. These women are an embarassment to the cause. With a male birth control pill this group of women will diminish. Feminists support such an outcome. An amy of leaders is better than an army of losers.
@td9red:
I just gave you a thumbs up on that one.
The first one ever.
Thought you’d like to know.
I happen to agree with your statement that the educated part of the feminist movement secretly despise the rest of their gender, and are using them as nothing more than tools to further the eradication plans of the male gender, to the 10%, they keep returning to.
@td9red
I know several ‘enlightened’ women who have ‘raped’ sperm from men to intentionally pop fatherless babies. This is evil to the father, but the children particularly the boy children suffer terribly from such single mother narcissism. There is nothing sadder than to see little boys held hostage in the hell that is a possessive mother’s Cunt-cocoon knowing that they will never be able to escape, and knowing that they will be forever destroyed as males.
@td9red:
I’ll buy into the idea that any amount of feminists openly despise other feminists (if it’s secretive, then it’s just just speculation on our part) the day defending Team Vagina ceases to be any kind of priority with any given self-identifying female feminist.
It will lessen paternity fraud considerably, but will up the ante on false rape acusations.
You might be safe from unwanted pregnancy but you are NEVER safe from a false rape accusation.
Stop lying. The male birth control pill will be denounced by feminists. They have denounced it, or at least scoffed at it, already; why on earth would they change their tune?
Feminists do NOT want the male pill to happen because it would give men far too much power.
I predict that it’s going to be so expensive, that it is going to be a choice for the very wealthy few. Or will need the doctors thumbs-up, as in my country with the Viagra, which makes it a hell of a drag to get hold of them.
Males having any reproductive rights just doesn’t fit into the scheme of things.
Price will most likely be a problem. But even if it’s cheap, feminists will work very hard to convince men that it just isn’t worth it when women already have the situation “well in hand”.
Men getting the pill is going to be like Gettysburg in the war between the MRM and the feminists.
“..when women already have the situation “well in hand”.”
ROFLMAO…-Oh, man, I needed that.
Thank you!
“Price will most likely be a problem. ”
The price will likely be high but within reach for most. It will never get FDA sanction because it will be claimed that it causes uterine cancer — it won’t but they will claim it does as an excuse.
Then there is the good old black market. Get it from the same guy who gets you your crank. Won’t be cheap but demand will be large enough to make smuggling worth while.
Men need to start making friends with PlannedParenthood – the lost cost alternative to expensive birth control.
JTO thanks for this one, it’s a beauty.
There is such a terribly loud silence everywhere isn’t there ?
The feminists no doubt will add more to it when they place a megaphone to their scowly faces and cry, “We had to fight for our rights you know… we had to yell to be heard and where were you then hhhmmm ?”
Well sistas you’ve always had blokes laying down coats on puddles for you and dare I say many of those coats were full.
Putting women first in all things good, and protecting them from all things bad is partly natural, and partly manufactured. It may be natural to put “your” women and children first, but it’s certainly not natural to put someone elses wife, children, or some random woman you don’t even know first.
If the woman first policies and laws were built only on the apparent need to protect women because of their reproductive value, then that would exclude all women that have no reproductive value. That would be all women that are too old, sick, disabled, of obvious genetically flawed makeup, for a start. It could be expanded to include those women that don’t wish to reproduce.
But in fact, women in the non reproducing groups above actually have more protection and rights, not less.
Another thing, if all that was at work was the natural protection instinct, it would only extend to keeping women alive, and safe. Instead it is applied to all things, eg. 50 year old menopausal, childless gold digger ex-wife that receives massive property settlement and alimony from the still reproductively viable ex husband. Is she in any danger of dying without these measures? Is it her reproductive value that is being protected even though she has none?
The other thing of course is that reproductive value only has value if lots of reproduction is required to offset high mortality rates, or to generate growth in the population which would be desirable……..neither of those situations exist today, in fact, the opposite is true…….we are over populated to the point where our numbers are exhausting finite resources and polluting the environment, and it is women that are driving the consumer culture that is causing both…….they are also solely responsible for the over population problem, which is the cause of the over consumption of all resources on earth, as well as the production of all the pollution……..every person that exists did after all come into existence because of a woman’s choice to have a baby. The reason this very obvious and main cause of the problems………not enough energy, not enough water, not enough arable land, and the soon to be, not enough oil, not enough coal………deforestation, destruction of natural habitat, depletion of fisheries, even the production of nuclear waste……yes….without our high numbers, we would have no need to pursue desperate and dangerous methods of energy production…..including the ultra deep sea oil drilling……..fracing for gas and oil, etc, etc, etc.
Women’s reproductive abilities are not an asset in today’s world, they are the cause of nearly every problem we face. The reason it is politically incorrect to talk about this obvious fact is because it is a woman’s primary and core value.
So, it is obviously not only reproductive value that leads to women first in all things good, and men first, second, and third in all things bad. So what is it?
I love this comment, Stu. It’s one I’ve been itching to make myself, but you’ve done a far better job of it.
We could outfit you in leather and studs and hand you a Gibson Explorer with a wall of 200 watt Marshall-amp’s to go with it, and it would make absolutely no difference to the outcome.
You rock BIG time, Stu.
-And that goes for you too, JtO.
So, it is obviously not only reproductive value that leads to women first in all things good, and men first, second, and third in all things bad. So what is it?
It’s nothing more than a bad habit gone destructive – like drink, gambling or drugs.
The Chinese recognized the diminishing value of reproduction way back in the 60s, and passed their ‘one child’ law. Women are not worshiped there like they are in the West. In fact, female fetuses are disproportionately aborted, and female suicide is higher than male suicide (one of the only countries in the world where this is true).
Clearly, if female primacy is not the default position in China, it can’t be a ‘hard-wired’ behavioral trait, but a cultural hangover. Time to get real guys. What we see in the West is not the force of fate, but the logical endgame of a habit gone off the rails. If we can kick smoking, boozing and snorting, we can beat mommy-worship.
Yeah but maybe the mangina gene is a caucasian thing. It does seem to me that out of all the civilisations that have existed, the caucasian societies have been the most chivalric.
The idea that the races are equal in every way except appearance is a PC feminist notion. It’s entirely possible that there is something in whites genetic makeup that promotes chivalry, which is less pronounced in the Asian. It could come down to Darwin’s law, specific to region and culture I suppose. If in a particular region and culture, over protection of females and ridiculous levels of chivalry become a prerequisite for survival and reproduction, favoring white knights and manginas, whether that favoritism be natural or culturally created doesn’t matter. Once people with those traits become the dominate breeders, those traits become dominate in the population and will persist until not only not required anymore, but is replaced by another opposing “must have” trait. In other words, whites may be inflicted with an inherited mangina syndrome that will require the rise of circumstances that would favor non manginas in breeding over a few generations to eliminate.
Depressing, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Whatever the case, chivalry and manginarism is way past its use by date, and is now counter productive to the benefit of societies practicing it. The fact that our societies (western societies) are declining, while China rises, after decades of favoring male offspring, and with men outnumbering women in their country by a large number, may give a clue to who is going to dominate the landscape in the future. Our societies have become like our women, non productive, give me, give me, give me…..and totally reliant on male dominated patriarchal societies for sustenance. Just think about where all our stuff comes from…….we produce monopoly money……by pulling it out of our asses……and exchange it for real goods…..produced by real workers…..in real factories.
I don’t think it’s an accident or coincidence that white men invented being a knight. There’s definitely something in our DNA that dictates a certain appreciation for “gentlemanly” behavior, however warped that sense may be at times.
Just look at boxing. Lots of old white guys that I talk to frown upon the modern era of boxing, and reminisce about the days when boxers had a better sense of sportsmanship, when they were “gentlemanly” about their craft. As if there’s anything gentlemanly about punching someone repeatedly in the face.
I think perhaps it comes from pride. I mean no offense, but a lot of the more advanced civilizations throughout history (at least until recently) have been built by white men. Sure you have the Persian Empire, the Mongolian Empire, and a bunch of others I’m not aware of, but white men have been piloting the ship of progress quite a bit.
At least… until recently. Sometimes I feel like apologizing to the men of other ethnicities, since it’s pretty much white men’s fault feminism exists, if you think about it. It was white women (the most privileged group of people ever in the history of the U.S.) who got it going, after all.
“At least… until recently. Sometimes I feel like apologizing to the men of other ethnicities, since it’s pretty much white men’s fault feminism exists, if you think about it. It was white women (the most privileged group of people ever in the history of the U.S.) who got it going, after all.”
Can’t help but envision the parasols and tea parties.
I agree with this statement.
If it is a white gene thing, it’s function isn’t simple. I’m white European through and through. As long as I’ve been aware, the female bias has hit me like a wet fish. It’s everywhere, it’s chronic, and whatever it is that allows it, it isn’t well thought out. I’ve never really had any difficulty describing the absurdity of the way we treat women in the West to other men, but as soon as a real life situation of blatant sexism presents itself (such as in Egypt recently), all that reasoning counts for nothing. The lizard brain re-asserts itself. The Egyptian thing is nuts.The same film clip shows a guy being beaten senseless in the same frame as the woman with the blue bra, but it’s like the guy isn’t even there. I see two people being beaten by thugs in uniform. The rest of the world seems to see only a woman. Only she can feel.
That, though is the Western press. I don’t doubt for minute that the rest of the world sees what I see. It’s only that in the West, saying so is asking for it. Can’t see this as anything more than a passing inanity (if you will accept 100 years as a passing moment).
(if you will accept 100 years as a passing moment).
A century of feminism? Ugh. Kill me now… just get it over with… I won’t be missing out on anything. Maybe I’ll get lucky and be reincarnated as a honey badger.
Bravo Stu. That pretty well burys the reproductive value crapola.
Putting women first, in part comes from man’s biological chivalrist behavior. (It was the intention of our maker that men protect and defend women. Clearly, this is reason that men have superior strength and agility. There were other intentions in mind in the design of the women.) And, it also comes from a natural sympathetic response to the anatomical weakness of women. We have a natural need to help those we perceive (whether right or wrong) to be weaker than ourselves. Think of when you see a person in a wheelchair approaching the door behind you. You stop and hold the door for them. (And yes, women stop and help, also)! It’s because you perceive this person to be weaker than you, and in need your help. You think to yourself, “this is the least I can do.” Men naturally perceive women to be weaker. As such, there is an urge to help. I also, think some men misunderstand that women have a stronger biological response to dangerous or fearful situations. Many men suggest women lack empathy for men because women to not jump in and help when they see a man being attacked. This is not the case. Women don’t jump in and help a guy in these circumstances b/c women are well aware of their lack of strength. As such, women tend to fear that should they step in, this mugger will attack and injure them. These are all simply biological responses.
I wish we did not feel the need to consider women’s value to society as opposed to man’s value to society. When one considers the value of people based upon unchangeable characteristics such as: gender, age, intelligence… the next consideration is whether those perceived to have “less value” to society should somehow be treated differently than those perceived to have “greater value.” Whether those of “less value” owe something to those perceived to have “more value.” Men and women were meant to be partners in society, not competitors. Men and women have different, even in opposite, strengths and weaknesses, as together this combination of traits forms a cohesive whole.
-And then you just had to go do it again, didn’t you??
First of all, ‘our maker’ didn’t come up with the plan for woman before long after creating man. And that didn’t happen until after first introducing Lillith, who were cast of a totally different mould than the second try, and wouldn’t have needed the chivalry part in the first place. She was quickly discarded, as she were actually able to DO things on her own, very unlike the follow up model. Both models were explicitly made with no other purpose in mind than to piss man off, because he didn’t do anything besides hanging around, naming the animals and basically having a great time.
But all religion aside..
You’d have to be real stupid, if you try holding a door for the ‘strong and empowered’ nowadays. You are much more likely to get a snarky reply in the form of; ‘-I’m perfectly able to do that myself, you sexist!’ than a mere ‘-thank you!’. There’s a really good reason that men in the west are starting to discard any gentleman like chivalry, you see. It is NOT appreciated and are met with scorn most of the time.
Men naturally perceive women to be weaker because they generally ARE weaker, but somewhere along the line women got it into their collective minds that the help were not needed, -much helped along by the crap they read and watch on TV. And that they could do everything that a man can do, no matter how many times and in how many ways they are proven wrong in this. That is part of the present general psychosis and a large part, too. Personally, I vote in favour of giving them what they want, to the full extension of what that means.
“Many men suggest women lack empathy for men because women do not jump in and help when they see a man being attacked.”
No, women lack empathy because they very often instigate those fights between men, because it makes them wet to see men hurt eachother, and that is far from being a modern day phenomena, but has been going on for thousand of years. There seems to be an inherited sadistic strain present here.
“Women don’t jump in and help a guy in these circumstances b/c women are well aware of their lack of strength.”
None the less, women don’t have any second thoughts when it comes to jumping into a fight to protect another woman, when there is just the slightest chance of physically hurting a man, no matter if the other woman is the one who instigated the fight in the first place. I take this as another example of the aforementioned psychosis, because you seem to have gotten into your heads that you could actually win a fight against a man, if he didn’t hold back. Not even two women would be able to win. If you still don’t get it, go watch a cage-fight and ask yourself which women you know, that would last in there for more than 5 seconds?
“These are all simply biological responses.”
Thank you for proving the XX-chromosome-thesis in such a brilliant manner. Logic and rational thought are left behind before entering all areas.
“I wish we did not feel the need to consider women’s value to society as opposed to man’s value to society.”
Try reversing the genders and get a real world close up of today’s society, and the conditions for the majority of men throughout recorded history. They’re also known as collateral damage or disposable goods.
“Whether those of “less value” owe something to those perceived to have “more value.””
If you as a gender had no part in the dying, the bleeding and the sweating in building society and civilization up from the ground, as well as protecting it, you don’t have any say in this. And it really doesn’t matter, because most men are fully aware of how little most women generally recoqnize those offerings in the first place.
-And before you answer ‘neither did you’, please show me the courtesy to remember I’m a soldier and I did my part in a desert 13.000 km away from home, where women were tucked up in their nice little cozy homes, screwing every not-combattant they could lay their hands on, while female politicians did everything they possibly could to further the conflicts, okay?
-That being besides furthering an agenda that made conditions in the courts a living hell for those who stayed behind, and those who returned. Thank you so much, BTW.
“Men and women were meant to be partners in society, not competitors.”
You’re preaching to the wrong choir here, red. Go over at Jezebel.com or FemRad.hub. I’m pretty sure they will welcome your point of view with open arms. (-That was meant in the most sarcastic way possible, should you be wondering.)
“Men and women have different, even in opposite, strengths and weaknesses, as together this combination of traits forms a cohesive whole.”
By now you should be more than fully aware that we already know this for a fact in here. Why don’t you go over and try to explain it to the ones who see it as a life long mission to eradicate one half of the ‘cohesive whole’??
-And, might I add, the most important part, or we would all still be sitting in caves or grasshuts, bitching about the cold right now.
“Men and women have different, even in opposite, strengths and weaknesses, as together this combination of traits forms a cohesive whole.”
“By now you should be more than fully aware that we already know this for a fact in here.”
Might you also agree with me that based upon the strengths endowed upon man by our maker that he did not invision equality of output between men and women, but instead he built man with the intention that man do and endure more than woman?
LOL!
Nice try.
Is that the lawyer or the woman asking?
@Kimski
the Woman
To the woman I would answer, that the question is irrelevant, as women themselves have thrown any deals out of the window, so all deals are off, intended strength or not.
Goes under section 1, paragraph 1, about the Free Will according to ‘the maker’.
The lawyer I would just plain sue, without a word, for as much money as I could possibly get away with, -preferably leaving the counterpart on the edge of bankruptcy,-for breach of contract.
@Kimski
Ha ha ha
I wasn’t negotiating any deals for the gals, just wondering if we are willing to admit to what seems to me is obviously true…
While I don’t believe we are a hostage to our biology, we are at the very least a captive to it. Stepping away from our instinctive biological responses for all is difficult, for some impossible. While we as human beings stand at the top of the food chain and are far less driven by instinct than those creatures below, instinct still plays a major role in our lives. Is it possible for us to completely flip the switch and place men in the roles normally held by women and vis-versa? I think probably not. Is this proposition even worth trying? Or, is this going about it in the wrong way.
Tell you what, red.
I’ll take that discussion with you, along with the implications of such a flip switch, without swearing, cussing or calling you names if you donate a little to the fundraiser, so that Paul can continue his very important quest to fight the ones hell bend on making your sons life a living hell before he grows older.
If you do it on behalf of him, you won’t even feel like you’re betraying anyone and I promise you it’s for a good cause, namely your sons possible future.
@Kimski
Being as it’s Christmas and I now have several months of bills to pay anyway, I will seriously consider it.
I know what you mean about women being weaker, and the natural urge men have to help them. I also know what you mean about women being more prone to fear etc.
But, I think in return for that help, that special consideration, we deserve some respect.
Also, we shouldn’t have a society where women’s fears are given the weight of law. For example, issuing restraining orders based on a woman’s alleged fear. He has either done something, or he hasn’t, and if he hasn’t, then he should not have any of his freedoms or property taken away. We should also be holding women accountable for their abuse, either that or the state gets the fuck out of personal shit and homes altogether.
Also, would you help a man in a wheelchair if they spat on you for doing it, and promoted hate against you, all while insisting that they have a right to your help…..and then claim that they are actually better then you, while relying on your help. This is what feminism is doing now……collectively.
Anyway, I have your agreement to the bet LOL
I imagine you could be quite valuable……being an attorney and all.
There is no such thing as equality between the sexes. Never will be. When men left it to women to create equality, well… you’ve seen how that turned out. And at this point, I very much doubt that women will grow up nearly as much as they need to even long after feminism is dead, so men created equality from that point forward is out the window as well.
The fact of the matter is, the two genders only cooperate well enough when they’re fulfilling their respective roles. You provide the world with children and make sure not to fuck them up, we make sure you and our kid don’t get killed. That seems like a good enough arrangement to me, and I’m looking forward to the return of that being respected for what it really is: Fair as can be.
I know I’ve said I’d prefer for us to do better, but I’ve made peace with the fact that no one alive right now is going to see that day. Especially me.
And really, it’s not like I’d benefit from living in a world where women in general marry down the ladder and take part in defending their country anyway. In fact, not even the death of feminism is going to change much for me personally when it comes to my interactions with women. They’re still going to dislike me.
Brilliant piece JtO, fantastic. Really nailed the list and love the sourcing.
A minor request to all MRAs. Please stop dignifying female supremacist utterances with the characterization of ‘argument(s)’. Femaleist filth is in no way argument. Femaleists sling shit at walls in anticipation that it will likely stick, but they do not submit arguments. To dignify that shit only facilitates the sticking. Femaleists make random utterances, filibuster with strings of non sequiturs, grunts, whines, frivolous and harassing bitching, contrived histrionics, disturbances in the sound carrying medium, but distinctly not arguments. To refer to them as arguments is to valididate the mutterings of the insanely wicked. Stating that the sky is red is not an argument, it’s banter. Exclaiming a pay gap or health care gap in the face of men dying 7 years prematurely of every known cause is insane, filthy, insidious wickedry with little parallel. Femaleists proselytize and spew insidious propaganda- they do not argue. Please, do not dignify their malicious tricks.
Muchas gracias
That’s why I usually refer to their…..mmmm…what was that word…..anyway……I refer to it as “their bullshit”
And you might have answered a question in a previous post in this thread by myself. “What is it”
Victimhood. Women continue to reap special treatment and protections via victimhood. Self proclaimed victimhood, and flying in the face of reality……but that is how they do it…..and that is what feminism is about…….crying victim…..in order to reap special treatment. And of course, if women are victims…..there must be a victimizer…….thats us…..men. So feminism is about two things…….crying victim…and vilifying men.
-Which again goes against anything even remotely close to ‘strong and empowered’, as far as I can see.
Only a deeply schizophrenic movement could have come up with this, and still make it work without blowing all mental fuses.
-But of course, stating such a fact would make me a victimizer, and so the merry go round continues without reason, logic or rhyme.
I’m wrapping gifts for children that are not mine. For grandchildren that are not mine.
I have not seen my grandchild in two years. She is four years old now, and her mother is exactly like that. Hubby is her well-trained blue pill addict, I’m afraid.
The story of how this happened could not be any more ridiculous than it is. And one day I will write the whole nasty thing out, and publicly demonstrate how children can ‘go the other way’ no matter who you are as a parent.
For every holiday, birthday, or even a regular day that I do not see my precious grandchild, I donate money I would normally spend on ‘them’ to causes I believe in. I justify every penny of it, that way.
She (my grandchild) is missing out on a pretty cool grandmother that may sway her away from AWALT. My heart is broken. I do not have any visitation, and have mourned them like they died. It is he only way I get through it.
Women have no idea (sorry, most of them DO) how much they influence and/or destroy lives.
Simply because they fucking can.
I am so proud of all of the women who come here and speak up. Each of them are unique and bring a different perspecive to the table. I am proud to be here. My “silence” at the moment is due to all of the volunteer work I do this time of year. After the New Year, I will be back in full force.
And when I come back.
I’m holding nothing back.
I know first hand what it is like to work like a man. I know first hand what it feels like to have a child held hostage and used as a weapon of hurt.
I know first hand.. the woman I never, ever, want to be.
The rest of you better get out of my way.
I am a steamroller….without brakes.
Donate something; anything, to anyone.
Feels great, and helps ease the pain.
Izzey
I have only seen my grandson once,one day, over two years ago. He was only 10 months old.
I am allowed to enjoy my daughter’s children freely and love them fully.What a treasure and joy they are.
I pray one day my son’s son will try to find him. I can only pray he has not been so poisoned he can’t see what happened.
Every hug, kiss and shared breath I enjoy with my daughter’s children is shadowed by my wish that I could give my Grandson my love as well.
Thank you for sharing that, OHPC. I do know that I am not alone.
I have the same hopes for my grandchild. One day she may try to find me. I have been documenting things for her, as well as photos and poems I have written for her/about her.
I have taken care of some things regarding her future.
Her parents will not have any say in it, and will not be allowed to view my personal ‘diary’ (written and video) that I am compiling for her. It is a stipulation for her inheritance. I have given up on my own child and her husband. They are grown ups, and they DO know what they are doing is spiteful….hateful.
I don’t know where they learned this.
It was not from me.
Good luck to you.
Izzey
Iz – take heart. I’ve seen some very damaged mother/daughter relationships healed. I would prepare for the “forgive, forget and never look back” day. If it’s in your heart, it will happen.
My Grandson is being taught his father does not love him and does not want to see him. Someday he will no longer be under his mother’s protection and the world will teach him he was lied to when he is treated like a man.
There are children told they are not loved by fathers who love them very much.
Merry Christmas, little man. You are loved more than you know.
I am not very good at this stuff but:
Virtual Hugs Izzey!!!!!
You’re pretty good at it scat. Thanks, friend.
By the way…the new Gravatar is the A-10 (Warthog)
I helped build that bitch.
Holy shiat. That is one loaded mother.
Merry Christmas, Izzey.
-One of those mofo’s eradicated my whole platoon on a Nato-exercise some 25 years ago.
A bird from hell.
Merry Christmas to you, Kimski.
That bird still flies today….and I’m sorry we ever had the need for it.
But I am so happy it was on ‘our’ side.
Please forgive me, Kimski.
I made light of something tragic. It was not my intention.
No worries, Izzey, noone got killed.
It was just an exercise, and it took us all completely by suprise at just the right time. We had been woopin’ the danish navy seals just two months before, and thought we were all that.
A classic case of hubris.
It’s very hard to hear it approaching, when it comes in at low altitude and this pilot used the trees as cover on top of that. He just called us on the radio to tell us we were all dead, and then it was coffee and pastry for the rest of that weekend for us.
-Not even close to the real deal, thank god.
Whew! Thank you for explaining that.
I thought a tragedy happened during an “exercise”
Winning the war and winning battles: http://thefire.org/article/13958.html
Wow, FIRE is one of the most revolutionary, on point things I have seen.
Yes. Steady, systematic, transparent and professional persistence gets the job done.
No silence here: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/12/21/barbara-kay-the-awkward-truth-about-spousal-abuse/ Barbara Kay is one of our best shouter outers. Gotta love wise women from the Great White North.
Outstanding article. Nothing could ever be more true.
The troubling situation is that most men have been conditioned to being disposable for so long, an accepted fact by both sexes that no one for the moment really cares inspite of the serious injustices inflicted on men as a group. Sexual harrassment/False accusations, are the biggies for me as a man. I can’t tell you guys the many comments or “like” clicks I receive on facebook in response to something humorous ,off the wall or inspirational I might add on any given day. However, I’ve also posted several topics of innocent men being exonerated of rape after serving years in prison or young boys being suspended for sexual harrassment for the most innocent of things which leaves one to question the mental stability of the “labeler” who is able to do something so horrific to a child, and yet NOT ONE acknowledgement from anyone on facebook. Yet, the other day I posted something having to do with a dog being abused and it amazed me on the many responses I got from it, especially from women. Is that unfucking real?
Men are below dogs. Imagine if someone cut off a dogs dick and threw it in the garbage disposal: people would be completely outraged at such a horrific act. However, if it happens to a man? Nothing but laughter…..
the list may be unordered but i notice that at least half of the points oft concern fathers, in essence prime goal of femini$$m is about destroying normal families thus children&fathers, men going their own way as a reaction on femini$$m is contraproductive and asif equal rights are the solution and going to work out just fine, on the contrary, that is to say femini$$m-samesex are more&more going to gayn unfair profits!