Here come the lawyers to AVFM, yet again

Editorial Update: See here for more on the story.–DE

Editorial Update 2:* See also how The Raw Story is serving you a half-cooked story. -DE

Does a wife who may have driven a husband to suicide with the assistance of our corrupt family court system, then have a legal right to claim copyright — of his suicide note?

According to attorney Rachelle E. Hill, of Bean, Kinney and Korman, and a judge, that is precisely the claim. Their lawyer has written the offices of A Voice for Men to demand that we remove a post from the forums containing the note.

It is not going to happen.

The text of the note was posted to our forums months ago. We considered doing a feature story on it at the time, but opted not to because we had no credible corroboration that the story was factual.

Attorney Hill, her law firm, and the suicide victim’s former wife have now resolved that matter to our satisfaction. The demand letter itself is sufficient for us to believe that the following note is genuine.*

The love that my daughter and I shared was truly special. She is a such a sweet, kind and gentle spirit. I am so sorry that I will not be there to see her grow into a beautiful woman. It absolutely crushed me to not be in her life over the last three years. I worked very hard as a father to build her confidence and self-esteem. She is smart, funny and considerate, but she didn’t know it yet. I pray that she realizes her strengths and her confidence in herself will continue to grow. I love you dearly, [name redacted].

My son [name redacted] was just entering Kindergarten, when I lost access to him. He is gregarious, outgoing and a great athlete. He is smart and fearless. He could have just as much fun by himself as he could with other kids. Even the older boys in our neighbourhood wanted to play with [name redacted]. It absolutely breaks my heart that I will not be able to help him grow into a man. I love you to, [name redacted]. I miss you both so much.

My identity was taken from me, as result of this process. When it began, I was a commercial real estate broker with CB Richard Ellis. I lived by the Golden rule and made a living by bringing parties together and finding the common ground. My reputation as a broker was built on my honesty and integrity. When it ended, I was broke, homeless, unemployed and had no visitation with my own children.

I had no confidence and was paralyzed with fear that I would be going to jail whenever my ex-wife wanted. Nothing I could say or do would stop it. This is what being to death or ‘targeted’ by a psychopath looks like. This is the outcome. I didn’t somehow change into a ‘high-conflict’ person or lose my ability to steer clear of the law. I’ve had never been arrested, depressed, homeless or suicidal before this process. The stress and pressure applied to me was deliberate and nothing I could do or say would get me any relief. Nothing I or my attorneys said to my ex-wife’s attorney or to the Court made any difference. Truth, facts, evidence or even the best interest of my children had no affect on the outcome.

The family court system is broken, but from my experience, it is not the laws, its the lawyers. They feed off of the conflict. They are not hired to reduce conflict or protect the best interest of children, which is why third parties need to be involved. It should be mandatory for children to have a guardian ad litem, with extensive training in abuse and aggression.

It is absolutely shameful that the Fairfax County Court did nothing to intervene or understand the ongoing conflict. Judge Randy Bellows also used the Children as punishment, by withholding access for failing to fax a receipt. The entire conflict centered around the denial of access to the children, it was inconceivable to me that he would use children like this. This is exactly what my ex-wife was doing and now Judge Bellows was doing it for her.

To all my family, friends and the people that supported me through this process, I am so sorry. I know my reactions and behavior throughout this process did not always make sense. None of this made sense to me either. I had no help and the only suggestion I got from my attorneys was to remain silent.

At first, I did what I was told, remained silent and listened to my attorneys. Then after I had given my ex-wife full custody to try and appease her, I learned about Psychopathy and emailed Dr. Samenow about my concerns and asked him for help. Of course, I was ignored. As the conflict continued, I was forced to defend myself. When that didn’t work, I thought I could get the help I needed by speaking out. There is no right or wrong way to defend yourself from abuse. Naively, I thought that abuse was abuse and it would be recognized and something would be done. I thought speaking out would end the abuse or at least get them to back off. It didn’t. When no one did anything they were emboldened.

I took my own life because I had come to the conclusion that there was nothing I could do or say to end the abuse. Every time I got up off my knees, I would get knocked back down. They were not going to let me be the father I wanted to be to my children. People may think I am a coward for giving up on my children, but I didn’t see how I was going to heal from this. I have no money for an attorney, therapy or medication. I have lost four jobs because of this process. I was going to be at their mercy for the rest of my life and they had shown me none.

Being alienated, legally abused, emotionally abused, isolated and financially ruined are all a recipe for suicide. I wish I were stronger to keep going, but the emotional pain and fear of going to court and jail [because of exorbitant child support] became overwhelming. I became paralyzed with fear. I couldn’t flee and I could not fight. I was never going to be allowed to heal or recover. I wish I were better at articulating the psychological and emotional trauma I experienced.

I could fill a book with all the lies and mysterious rulings of the Court. Never have I experienced this kind of pain. I asked for help, but good men did nothing and evil prevailed. All I wanted was a Guardian Ad Litem for my children. Any third party would have been easily been able to confirm or refute all of my allegations, which is why none was ever appointed to protect the children or reduce the conflict.

Abuse is about power and control. Stand up for the abused and speak out. If someone speaks out about abuse, believe them.

Please teach my children empathy and about emotional invalidation and ‘gas-lighting’ or they may end up like me.

God have mercy on my soul.

Chris Mackney

This link will give you a copy of demand letter, which like the suicide note, has the children’s names redacted.


Within that document we note that an Arlington County, Virginia judge has ruled that Dina Mackney, the widow of this suicide victim, is authorized to seek reasonable legal remedies to force a large number of websites, where this information has already been made available, to remove the information in question.

We reject the notion that our publication is in violation of copyright laws, and that the suicide note is not covered by fair use statutes.

We also believe, given the horrific state of our family courts, it is in the compelling public interest that his final words be published and disseminated as robustly as possible.

The chief responsibility of A Voice for Men is advocacy for men who have been trampled in precisely the ways outlined in this tragic note, and to do whatever is within our means to address the disproportionate suicide rate in men, especially as it relates to high conflict divorces.

If what Mr. Mackney said in his final note is true, and we have no reason to believe that what amounts to his dying words are less than that, then what this threatened legal action represents is an attempt by his former wife to chase him down – even into the grave – to issue the final and complete edict for his silence in the face of horrendous abuse.

It is an act which will also probably eliminate any chance those children ever have to know how their father felt and what he was thinking before taking his own life.

I will gladly take residence in my own grave before I comply with that kind of agenda.

  • Addendum – the suicide note provided here is not complete. The complete version of the letter is available here:

  • Usagi Yojimbo

    Of course she wants it off the net. It shows the truth about how she and the system drove a human being to his death. All for her own fucking ego and his money.

    It’s damning to her and the divorce court. If memory serves, suicide notes and deathbed confessions have been regarded as undisputed truth in courts. Very hard to dismiss in a court of law. Can anyone confirm? If so, she and her lawyers are tampering with potential evidence of wrongdoing by courts and her by going after the suicide note.

    Sounds like a Dad that was good. May God have mercy on his soul. His ex-wife, her lawyers, and the divorce court didn’t.

    The lawyers are trying to limit free speech on the net, like Sweden is trying to silence negative response to its immigration policies. Link:

    Funny, where was the copyright on the original letter? I didn’t see it on the original posting. And if she divorced him and it was finalized, how can she claim rights to it if it doesn’t have monetary value.

    Or does it?

    Sounds like they are trying for domestic servers who have this online. Time to broadband this suicide note to our overseas colleagues. What says everyone?

    Go pound sand, bloodsuckers. The truth will be out there until the net crashes.

    BTW Paul, it should be “Their lawyers” in the second paragraph.

  • craichead

    Is his ex wife the same Dina Mackney that makes jewelry? If so her business has a facebook page.

    • VictoryMonk

      I think so. On her company’s website in “Our Story” section she talks about herself and it seems like she is from Virginia and other details match.

    • David King

      Plea to MHRAs: Do not, do not send her harassing emails or other messages. Better if you don’t contact her at all. Think ‘long game’ here.

      • VictoryMonk


  • TPH

    I don’t know where to start on thus except to say that the suicide note and Dina Macney’s infamy will never be forgotten by me, nor by the internet – even with a judges capricious legal order to have it removed. This is prima facie evidence of our family court systems malfeasance toward fathers. Even in death, the courts pervert the truth to align with our system of institutionalized misandry.

  • Patrice Stanton

    Seriously, this is Thomas Ball all over again. They are hounding this man beyond-the-grave which is one of the precise motifs in the novel I wrote and finally had to indie-pub (which was inspired by the circumstances of Mr. Ball’s tragic death, nearly three years ago).

  • Erik K

    Hopefully this suicide note will be used in a wrongful death lawsuit initiated by the victim’s family members. They can’t count on the criminal justice system; it’s better to make their own justice using civil courts.

  • John Narayan

    OT: – So how’s that tax/banking strike going people. Time to start banking governments!

  • Gman0730

    Sorry Ex-wife, you are far too late. We all saw it and we all now what an evil person that you are, and so will your friends and family.

  • Gman0730

    A simple search of the internet reveals much more, Chris posted in other places on the internet himself, particularly one website that has a forum that discussed Psychopathy. It seems that he got mixed up with some very bad people.

    • Dagda Mór

      Who and what are you talking about?

  • David King

    The logic is that, under the Berne Convention, the author/creator of an artistic or literary work (including a letter) automatically holds copyright unless and until the author assigns copyright elsewhere. It’s fair to assume that Chris didn’t do that, therefore the copyright to that letter resides in the deceased’s estate and the court order appended to the C&D letter gives official recognition of the right of the executrix, Dina Mackney, to administer the rights and properties thereof, including to assert copyright over the assets held by that estate.

    Where she goes wrong, however, is that copyright is not a silver bullet that confers absolute right to control what happens to an otherwise copyrighted work. Fair Use Doctrine says that copyrighted materials may be used for news, commentary, criticism and parody (amongst others). This letter, and in particular, Ms Mackney’s attempt to gag us, is newsworthy, hence its reproduction here. Fair Use is more complex than that in practice, nevertheless, that is the basis of our DMCA counter-claim.

    • Kevin Hornbuckle

      Its worth as news is clearly demonstrated by the intent of the author of the letter, who is no longer alive to defend his free speech rights. When he wrote the letter he was not creating property. He was engaging in political speech.

  • crydiego

    We would have never known for sure who wrote this letter without her trying to sue over it. For that, I thank her. This letter is so powerful all by it’s self, but knowing the author is genuine makes it that much more real to me! May god have mercy on his soul.

  • Turbo

    That letter was gut wrenching. Alas, it is yet another tragic outcome of the corrupt family courts.

    I have been where this man was, when he tragically took his own life, as I am sure many reading this have been. To this day I am not quite sure how I managed to get through.

    Chris Mackney thought the family court system is broken, but it is not, it works exactly as it is intended. It brings in billions of dollars through the use of adversarial, high conflict divorce cases, and on the backs of crumpled beaten and often dead fathers. Business as usual, and the collateral damage is the children who lose their daddy.

    I fully support the action being taken by AVfM, and I congratulate you. There is far to much cover up of this vile institution, hidden under the guise of “the best interests of the children”. Media are banned from talking about individual cases, parties involved unable to publicly comment even after cases are completed. All designed to cover the corruption.

    I certainly hope someone who knows Chris Mackney keeps a copy of his letter and shows it to his children when they are adults. They will never get their Dad back, but at least they will understand that he loved them both and he did everything possible to stay in their lives.

  • 2cyar

    Abuse is about power and control. Stand up for the abused and speak out. If someone speaks out about abuse, believe them.

    Please teach my children empathy and about emotional invalidation and ‘gas-lighting’ or they may end up like me.

    How can his ex-wife claim copyright of this letter? Does she have the right to control everything he has ever written? It was never addressed to her or their children. This letter was addressed to people outside of his family and the courts. This letter was a plea to people like us. We own the copyright.

  • Paul Elam

    Notice to all readers and staff of AVFM. As is sometimes necessary with a small percentage of those who sometimes frequent this site, I advise you to consider that the ex wife in this situation may not be a likable person, but the problem, as always, resides in a corrupt legal system.

    We do not have all the details on this divorce, the circumstances involved. I am going to monitor the comments here and I am asking all mods to do the same. We are not here to start a witch hunt. I do not want hers or anyone elses personal information in the form of addresses, employment, contact information, etc posted anywhere in these comments.

    Thank you.

    • Matt Cash

      Paul, this is why I like you. You hold strong convictions, yet you will not compromise your integrity, honesty, or image for the sake of a shocking story. You come across as a honest, good man that seeks truth, justice, and facts.

      Thank you for what you do.

    • Matt Cash

      Although some have decided to post her Twitter address… You may want to look into that

    • benjames

      thank god you said this Paul. it was heading into distasteful pack hunt territory.

  • P.Lowig

    There are NO RIGHTS for men, whenever a woman is involved in ALL western countries. In ALL affairs ! It’s plain HORRIBLE !

  • Lawrence

    Scott, I and I think many members here that you do just that: if you truly do have that power, let’s make Chris’s voice heard, let’s put it on the national news. Do a simple internet search and you will see that ALREADY a large majority of sites that posted the letter as well as Chris’s previous blog and google+ accounts have already been wiped clean.

  • earth one

    Rest In Peace, Chris Mackney. You are not forgotten!

  • Lawrence

    Scott, here are a few links and food for thought. The first has a more complete letter from Chris and also shows examples of just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Chris was NOT alone, men and women both are faced with a corrupt, horrendous system, and it is not just the adults that suffer, so do the children. myadvocatecenter has a lot of good information you should definitely take a look into, and good luck with your efforts, let us all know how we can help.

  • Guest

    They have cruelly scrubbed his blog clean, but this letter is in a number of places on the web – unlikely they will succeed in making it disappear:

  • OzzieMatt

    Substantive equality?

  • Plooky Jones

    I have been there and no woman would understand. The best analogy that
    may help a woman or anyone that does not have a child goes like this…
    Imagine your child was kidnapped and you knew who it was and where they
    are but, no one will help you. No cop. No judge. No one. If you took
    actions into your own hands then you would go to jail. Now imagine every
    time you close your eyes all you can see is your child and wonder. This
    pain and mental anguish is almost unbearable. Most of the time you wish
    you were dead just so the pain would stop. You try to get over it but,
    all you’ve learned to do is hide the pain from even the closest of
    friends and family. It gets worse when your ex continues to get away with everything including breaking the law.

    My brother also committed suicide after he was told by four
    attorneys that he should just walk away. He loved his kids so much but,
    couldn’t cope with the pain of not seeing the kids again. Relucantly, I
    was not much of an example that everything will be “Okay”. After being
    tormented, by two ex wives and now what the courts are slowly
    acknowledging as P.A.S. (Parental Alienation Syndrome). I know almost
    first hand with the exception of that “Final” step how Mr. Mackney felt.
    Should it be published? Yes. It should be required reading. It is a
    final plea for him to be heard and others in his position to be saved.
    Maybe, just maybe the courts would realize that men are human and have
    emotions. Men can’t go from being a father one day to a single guy with
    no obligations or feelings the next. I wish the court system would stop
    looking at child custody as a cash cow.

    • Suzy Enola

      Why would you open such an excellent comment with the phrase, “no woman would understand?”
      This is not a gendered issue; please don’t muddy it up by implying that it is.

      • Chris Wedge

        In our current situation, it is predominately (and this is a large majority) straight men who get shit like this.

        And in such an emotionally charged state, sometimes you miss the 3-10% who aren’t just like you.

  •!/pages/Mannsutvalget/167969986584387 Mannsutvalget

    This is heartbreaking. Kudos to AVFM for continuing his fight when he himself can not.

  • Mike Dehart

    Dr Wife and Attorney,
    Respectfully go f**k yourselves.
    The rest of the world that actually has a conscience.

  • Mike Dehart

    Great work Paul. Leave it up in perpetuity. They want it removed simply because it shines a light on judicial and legal misconduct and also brings to light how the system was used to abuse this poor man.

    It should have a cornerstone someone.

  • Dagda Mór

    As they’ll inevitably be going after that page as well, you should know you’re perfectly entitled to paraphrase and talk about the letter as much as you want and can quote portions of it without quoting the full letter.

  • Magnus

    This is the types of suicide that can so fucking easily be prevented. It’s so freaking simple! But since it will step on the toes of women it won’t be done.
    It’s amazing how a world would rather have their male citizens kill them selves than not give in to the demands of a “pretty” lady.
    What’s even worse is that feminists try to co-opt suicide, and make it all about how women hurt themselves too!

    Well fuck anyone that think that cutting yourself with a safety pin in the arm is the same as ending your life because no one is willing to even lift a finger to aid you. When someone is so destroyed by the system that they feel they have no more options.
    And fuck anyone who say that men are not oppressed in order to gain preferential treatment! If having a system that leads to men killing them selves in grief of losing their children, a system that throws men out on the streets because he couldn’t pay a woman, a system that don’t do the same to women who have their children taken away, if this isn’t oppression in your eyes then FUCK YOU!

    PS: I generally hate the term oppression, mostly because it’s thrown around where it doesn’t belong. But in some cases I feel that it is correct. Sadly us cisgendered white men have so much privilege to check that we can never ever be victims of oppression or discrimination. Well to anyone that thinks that I will add another FUCK YOU! Just to get the point across.

  • Angelo

    😉 Feminazi ‘ride the gravy train’ pep talk…
    Have a cigar – Pink Floyd

  • David King

    Did you not see Paul’s explicit request not to publish Dina Mackney’s contact information?

    We thank you for publicising our article, but would ask you to go around wherever you’ve posted this and remove her contact info. It helps no-one, least of all Chris Mackney (or the wider cause) for Dina Mackney to be harassed.

    Amongst other reasons, we think that just spreading the message of her perfidy is plenty for Dina to be dealing with.

    • Chris Mackney

      You guys couldn’t even figure out that this was NOT a hoax. Dude, the guy’s fucking OBITUARY is published online. This is not a hoax story, this is real. Chris Mackney is a real man who killed himself because of the abuse of his ex wife.

      • David King

        We thought it more likely than not that the suicide note was genuine when we first came across it a few months ago, but that’s not good enough. Nor is an obituary: that just proves that he died.

        A reputable news source must be sure that what it publishes is true. DM’s lawyers provided the best possible corroboration of the note’s provenance, which is why we published it now.

        I understand that you’re angry — we all are, just look at the comments on this article — but a witch hunt achieves nothing, and persecuting Mackney (however evil she is) hands her ammunition she can use to persuade idiot judges to hand out more court orders.

        That’s why we don’t want her doxxed or contacted in any way. There is a right way to see that Christopher Mackney gets justice. Doxxing her is not it. Please reconsider.

      • David King

        BTW, if you want those other two posts deleted, email me privately. You’ll find my address on the masthead.

        • Theseus

          This letter depressed the shit out of me David; I am a dad with twin 6 year old boys. I couldn’t imagine them in not being in my life, anymore than I could imagine not breathing.

          OT, but (GASP) I was shocked to find out that you are in reality…Dunh Dunh Dunh… a FEMINIST MOLE that is insidiously destroying AVFM from the inside out Lol.

          • David King

            Aye, it is deeply depressing stuff, and anger is entirely justified. Actions, however, need a bit more justification than emotion, and doxxing is not, we think, justified in this case.

            Damn! I’ve been found out! Oh well, respawn and start over. More seriously, the whole idea is so amusing because, given my role in AVfM, even a momentary lapse of judgement could nuke the site. (Don’t worry, we have voluminous backups! But it would be very embarrassing.)

    • Guest

      And no, I will NOT remove her contact info. This is an evil woman, a monster, and people need to be fully warned about her, and that includes publishing her personal info so that others can be warned in case they live in close proximity to her.

      This woman is the embodiment of all evil.

      • Guest

        I just went and published that same message including her info on 300 different blogs. This story is going to go massively viral, including that evil bitch’s personal contact info.

        • Suzy Enola

          People like you are the reason Erin Pizzey lived under police protection for years.

          • Chris Mackney

            It’s hateful women like you who caused men like Chris to kill himself. You come onto a men’s forum and you attack men. Go back to Jezebel, you feminist monster Suzy.

          • Suzy Enola

            There went the last shred of your credibility. Moron.

          • Chris Wedge

            And why her dog got shot, and why she had to flee the country.
            Granted, she was doing good, not ill – but sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and nobody ever thinks themselves evil – it’s up to us to not use the methods of evil, no matter how tempting.

  • Darryl Jewett

    @ Paul Elam –
    “I advise you to consider that the ex wife in this situation may not be a likable person, but the problem, as always, resides in a corrupt legal system.”
    I disagree with your conclusion. Not the part about the ex wife not being likable (I’m sure she isn’t). But the part about a corrupt legal system. The problem is not a corrupt legal system. There are and always have been bad laws and bad governments, corrupt systems and people. More than 2,500 yrs ago, Plato wrote: “Responsible people don’t need laws to be responsible and irresponsible people will always find ways to violate laws.”
    The problem is not the system, laws or government but the women (and it is more than predominantly the women as easily documented by comparing divorce records before and after the late sixties). No one forces women to use bad laws and government and corrupt systems to persecute and defraud innocent men and their children. It’s a choice. And they know the consequences.
    And like with all choices, its consequences rest solely on the individual. Not a government, system, laws, hormones, circumstances, stress or anything else. Excusing the irresponsible, criminal and evil behavior of women (and again it is mostly women) for their choices transfers responsibility to and enslaves their victims (real victims – men).
    Please stop excusing the irresponsible and criminal behavior of women on laws, government and systems. Put the blame where it belongs: women. If women cannot hold themselves responsible or accountable for their own behavior and the system and government denies their responsibility or accountability in exchange for votes, then how can women be allowed to vote.
    There are no rights without responsibilities. The representation of women by government has been a problem for all the four-thousand years of history. It has helped neither them nor anyone else. The only ones it has helped are psychopaths. No one has found a solution yet. And there likely isn’t one except repeal of the Nineteenth Amendment.
    All that being written, thank you for exercising courage and standing up to these bullies.

    • Suzy Enola

      Umm, isn’t it the the “government, system, laws,” that are doing the “excusing” of ” irresponsible and criminal behavior?”

      • Darryl Jewett

        It’s the women who are doing the behavior. The government wouldn’t have to excuse it in exchange for votes and absolute power if the behavior didn’t exist in the first place. Again, no one forced the women to do what they do. Just because the government, system and laws excuse it doesn’t mean the women have to do it. If you don’t understand this fundamental principal then what are you doing in the MRM?

        • Suzy Enola

          What I’m doing in the MHRM is a shit-ton of activism, every single day.

          Nobody forces anyone to give in to the temptation to take full selfish advantage of institutionalized opportunities for corruption. It is not primarily a gender issue. If you don’t understand this fundamental principle, what are YOU doing in the MRM?

          • Chris Mackney

            Suzy, “it’s not a gender issue”. Oh really? THen why don’t we see tens of millions of MEN destroying women in divorce? Nope, it’s the other way around.

            You women are sickening, you are not even capable of morality or integrity or honor. You are a subhuman, Suzy.

          • Suzy Enola

            You are a bigot. One of our primary goals here is to expose, fight and reject bigotry.
            Fuck off.

          • Chris Mackney

            I’m a bigot? You’re the one coming onto a site that talks about MEN WHO KILL THEMSELVES and rather than hold the WOMEN ACCOUNTABLE, you attack the men on here.

            Suzy, how do you even live with yourself? You are an evil sociopathic monster, you are just as evil as his wife.

          • Suzy Enola

            ” coming onto a site” ?????
            Wow, you really have no clue whatsoever what goes on around here, have you? For just a tiny hint, why don’t you scroll up to the top of the page and check the staff roster?
            Get your sorry ass off AVfM’s coattails.

          • Dean Esmay

            You need to calm down. Suzy is part of the staff here and has shown over and over again that she will fight for the rights of men and boys. I think perhaps her phrasing was a tad clumsy, as she recognizes that family court bias IS a gendered issue, but it’s not “women collectively” who are responsible, and women who recognize the problem and want to help need to be welcomed–which is what Suz has tireless years of doing. So cool your jets pal.

          • Chris Wedge

            Because the corrupt law system allows women to do it, but not men.

            As if it’s not for want of trying, you false flagger feminist, you.

          • Darryl Jewett

            Even when the law allowed women to do it (before women were allowed to vote) men didn’t. You can consult the record of divorces during the past hundred and twenty years or so to verify that fact.

          • Chris Wedge

            The law never allowed a man to send his wife off to work, then ditch her and be entitled to more than half her earnings.
            And the right to vote really doesn’t have anything to do with taking a spouse to the cleaners in corrupt family court.

          • Dean Esmay

            Attacking the entire female half of the human race isn’t acceptable. Especially when you’re dong it to someone who has spent years and years helping specific men with their psycho abusive exes. Enough with the personal attacks.

          • Darryl Jewett

            Dismissing the responsibility of the other half isn’t the solution either, Dean. What Suzy has done in her original post is to deny that women have any agency or responsibility or accountability for their behavior. I challenge that and it should be because it is fundamental to the MRM and all of civilization.

          • Theseus

            No she did not.

            As a matter of fact if you read her stuff she is all about every HUMAN having responsibility and agency.

            She specifically dismissed the bigoted notion that stereotyping 50% of the population as having a genetic pre-disposition to act or behave in a particularly negative or evil way. This is exactly what we jump all over feminists about.

            Rejecting this bigoted BS IS what the MRHM is about.

          • Darryl Jewett

            “Umm, isn’t it the the “government, system, laws,” that are doing the “excusing” of ” irresponsible and criminal behavior?”” Suzy Enola
            Ummm… I’m pretty sure she did.

          • Theseus

            Yeah but notice the “irresponsible and criminal behavior” part. Hence certain women fit that description!

            The way I read it she was responding to your dismissal of the government enabling such behavior.

          • Suzy Enola

            That is exactly what I was responding to.

          • Attila_L_Vinczer

            Hey Chris. Why do you feel the need to attack Suzy? I know her personally, have worked with her on many men’s and boys’s issues and she is a stand up human being. She is a great woman who cares about the well being of men and boys.

            Did you notice she is on the AVFM roster? Did you notice she flew to Kingston, Ontario to be present at the Jaclyn Friedman Queen’s University event? Did you notice she and I put up hundreds of posters in Kingston, calling out Queen’s University Prof. Adele Mercier, for being a rape apologist?

            I can understand your frustration, but attacking Suzy, is uncalled for.

        • Dagda Mór

          What are you nattering about, your genitals don’t have any effect on your moral inclinations. Very often these women are coached, whether by their lawyers, sleazy detectives, or feminist support groups who know exactly how to work the legal system.

          Lest we forget plenty of atrocities have been done by groups consisting of mostly men as well. Does that mean men are inclined towards atrocity?

          The real problem is the social engineers who wrote the laws, the beaurocrats and activists who taught the judges and police feminist doctrine as though it was science instead of pulled out of dworkin’s copious bum, and the profiteering lawyers and other leeches who make a living from the system. In the end however it can all be traced right back to feminist groups in the higher echelons of governments.

          That’s not to say these women bear no responsibility, far from it, but there’s plenty of blame to go round.

          • Darryl Jewett

            My comment stands and is defensible on its own merits.

          • Chris Wedge

            Defend it, then.

          • Theseus

            He can’t! Thinking a dick or a pussy has a serious impact on whether or not you are a good person, is like saying the melanin content in a person’s skin is an indicator of whether or not they are going to be a criminal.

          • Suzy Enola

            Golly, that sounds like bigotry, doesn’t it?

          • Theseus


          • Suzy Enola

            Your comment is utter nonsense.

          • Darryl Jewett

            And yes, genitals do have a profound affect on your moral inclinations as documented throughout four-thousand years of civilization.

          • Chris Wedge

            So now your argument shifts from “men and women” to “penises and vaginas”

            Or are you one of those silly sods who thinks that your genitals impact your gender, rather than being indicative of it? (Except for transsexualism-related disorders, which is why those get treatment in the first place)

          • David King

            Only if you keep your brain or morality in a funny place.

            Enough with the gender stereotyping. Official and final warning.

      • Chris Mackney

        Suzy, you are highlighting the fact that women are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions. Women are nothing but overgrownd children, women never mature in ADULTS. Only MEN are ADULTS.

        • David King

          Between this and your attack on a staff member, you’re outta here. Jeez, Louise.

          And, for God’s sake, (ab)using the name of the very man about whom this article was written, the man who lost his life in abject dispair, is truly low brow, bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Fits with the rest of your posts though, I guess.

        • Suzy Enola


  • travis perez

    This is a truly a harrowing tale one I will not forget any time soon.

  • Chris Mackney

    a funny pic

  • Cutural _Expat

    I agree. However, so many young men having been raised in
    government supported and promoted single mother households, knowledge or skills
    to understand just how dangerous a relationship with the modern American woman can

    I would like to have a healthy relationship with a woman,
    I would like my son to have a healthy relationship with a woman however if one
    is risk averse like me, and if values their freedom and whatever wealth they
    have earned that the government allows you to keep on its first pass, MGTOW is
    the only answer.

    I value sites like AVFM
    because it spreads knowledge to the young men who have been brainwashed by their
    feminist government, schools, counselors, etc.

    Let them be fully aware
    of the risks and decide from there. As I was raised in an age without the
    benefit of the internet and by a single mother feminist to boot, I understand
    making bad decisions….I don’t want my son to make the same ones and he got a doozy of a family court sponsored mother.

    • Put Down Artist

      I was also raised by a single mother, which taught me a lot about how women are capable of behaving. Granted those lessons only sunk in when I was in my early 30s, but it made me realize that you are going to have two major female figures in your life. You can’t pick your mom, but you sure as shit can pick your wife.

      MGOTW is understandable, but it is also a bit childish. Not all women are like the woman involved in this story. Granted many factors are increasing the number of women like this, and encouraging otherwise decent women to act out, but there are still good women out there – you can’t just cut and run on half the human race because you’re scared of the worst of them latching onto you.

      Would you stop working if you knew some bosses were bad because you might get a bad boss? Don’t get a bad boss! In fact it’s much easier not to get a bad wife than it is not to get a bad boss since you have years to choose one, screen her etc.

      Deep in our hearts we all want love and companionship, and by giving in and allowing the genders to be split apart we let the controllers achieve their aim.

      • Cutural _Expat

        I hear ya david and I do respect your opinion on this. I’ve been through the family court grinder and now I am lucky enough to enjoy mandatory work related social justice training. I don’t think mgtow is childish nor do I think it is the only way. I kind of think of it as singularly focused spreading of enlightens. Sort of monkish….but I don’t really feel I’m denying myself anything…it is freedom.

  • realraven2000

    Make sure to reach out to us should they sue. I’d be glad to chuck some money towards a lawyer to make sure this information can stay up for a while. Seems like they have found another way of earning money – ah isn’t justice great?

    On another note, the attorney of Chris Mackney must not have been very good, either? Or did he have to defend himself?

  • Szebran

    Copyright? She didnt right it! She has no ownership to the note whatsoever.

    • brando55

      Probably claims it as guardian of the estate that went to the children. But the author of any “suicide note” has obviously waived copyright, and these lawyers should be arrested and disbarred for making unjustified threats

      • Attila_L_Vinczer

        There is no copyright issues here any longer. Not in this case.

  • Lucian Vâlsan

    The more this story of her wanting to silence her husband, even in his grave, goes out – the more this suicide note will be read by even more people.

    Sometimes I wonder how come so many people are completely unaware of the Streissand Effect. I mean, seriously, AVFM is a multi-national platform – so her lawsuit is effectively meaningless for over 50% of the readership of this platform.

    The Internet as a whole tends to have this habit of never forgetting – and no amount of lawsuits is going to solve this.

    • Cutural _Expat

      And trying to remove this note from the internetz…a fools errand that only a wealthy and silly imbecile and an unscrupulous lawyer billing by the hour would attempt. I guess, after all, it is likely it wasn’t her earned to begin with. But I also wonder about the childrenz…spending all this money and will this be in “the best interestz” of the childrenz. Somebody call a social worker willya…the childrenz….the childrenz….

    • Attila_L_Vinczer

      The internet is forever. Once something is public, I am not sure there is any way of making it non-public. No gag order or publication ban can reverse an internet publication. In this case, for the deceased father and husband, it is a good thing. There is nothing the ex wife can do to stop it. There is nothing the ex wife can do to silence the mortal effect of her deplorable actions.

      It is my view, that if you cause someone to take their own life, it is far more a crime than first degree murder.

  • Mark Samenfink

    I live in the area this took place in. I am wholly unsurprised by any of this, and that’s just sad.

  • Navy Corpseman

    White women… Never again

  • Chris Wedge

    If but ten, or even one, truly enter public consciousness, though…

  • D Rivers

    Funny, that I’m reading Civil Disobedience at the moment. Don’t back down.

  • LF

    Thank you for fighting this. You have my support.

  • lazlo underhill

    I refuse to accept a society in which an autonomous human beings’ final and publicly given words are stricken from public discourse by a system of so-called justice. We afford death row inmates that much of a right.

  • HeraSentMe

    Your adorable grandiosity aside, clearly the woman and her lawyer never heard of the Streisand Effect.

    • Chris Wedge

      The woman herself, for sure.
      Although the lawyer might just have got their intended result – I wouldn’t suppose to know their ethical intentions, or their methods of achieving them.

  • Avonthalonus

    I’m confused about inheritance law. If they were already divorced, why does the ex-wife get to inherit his estate? Does an ex-wife in that state continue having the inheritance rights of a full spouse even after divorce?

    • Lawrence

      I suspect he left everything to his children, and since she is the legal guardian of said children, she has full control over their inheritance, although I could be wrong, as I don’t know inheritance law either.

    • LostSailorNY

      I have no idea whether she inherited anything from him (I suspect Lawrence is correct that he left everything to the kids), but the documents in the demand letter show that she is the administrator/executor of the estate. How that happened, I have no idea…

  • Abhishek Shrivastava

    Sorry for being sexist, but is the judge a female ? Being from outside
    USA, I am not really aware of how much the legal court system works
    there, I mean how much you can challenge the courts if they are passing
    unfair judgements, but seems to me like I have heard many other such
    misandric judgements by US courts.

  • jbantifem

    Is there not anyone who is standing up for Chris other than us? Where are his parents, relatives, etc? Why are they turning their backs on him if they are? That’s almost more sad than what his ex-bitch is doing to him anno domini.

  • A. Dowling

    How on earth did she even end up in charge of his estate. I thought they were divorced. What kind of weird law allows someone who divorced you to take control of your estate after death?

  • Jeremy92

    I hope that when Dina’s kids come of age to question the event’s surrounding their father’s suicide they will google their father’s name and find his note on AVFM and come to hate their mother. She may have won the battle for custody, but she’ll never win their love.

  • Matt Cash

    Thumbs down for personal info posted. Read the pinned comment at the top from Paul.

    “We are not here to start a witch hunt. I do not want hers or anyone elses personal information in the form of addresses, employment, contact information, etc posted anywhere in these comments.”

  • Matt Cash

    Again? Stop like whoring. In case you can’t scroll up, here’s Paul’s request in full.

    “We do not have all the details on this divorce, the circumstances involved. I am going to monitor the comments here and I am asking all mods to do the same. We are not here to start a witch hunt. I do not want hers or anyone elses personal information in the form of addresses, employment, contact information, etc posted anywhere in these comments.

    Thank you.”

    • Steven B

      will respect paul and delete them

  • David King

    Notice to all readers:

    We have taken (for us) the probably unprecedented action of closing the comments section on this article because substantive conversation seems largely concluded, and our mods’ time is better spent on other articles rather than policing the few commentators who insist on ignoring Paul’s request not to post personal work and address and contact information.

    Sorry, guys, we won’t make a habit of this.