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The 40th anniversary of Rape Culture™. Why feminists won’t be celebrating it, and why MRAs should embrace it.

Author’s Note: The references and hyperlinks provided below have been chosen for both immediate accessibility and verifiability via the Internet. Other sources exist but are not readily accessible and verifiable by any and all readers.

Rape Culture, 1975 Film, Opening Titles

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.  — Abraham Lincoln

The term “rape culture” has been bandied about since the 1970s. Its origin is from the title of the film Rape Culture™, produced in late 1974 and released in January 1975. The film’s 40th anniversary is upon us, so surely there must be plans in centres of academia, at the National Organization for Women (NOW), and across the universe and pantheon of feminism for such a momentous event’s ruby celebration.

Imagine the marketing opportunities for Ruby Slippers and Walk a Mile in Her Shoes. One can only hope that the world of feminism includes some competent marketing types who will grasp the links and not allow this promotional gift to pass the world by. It needs some expertise well above the capacities of the average academic type being sisterly on campus with marker pens, badly written signs, and a penchant for pulling fire alarms.

As an aside, Walk a Mile in Her Shoes has no Wikipedia page because the name is also a campaign launched in recognition of World Water Day, March 22, which started in 1993. World Water Day and A Mile in Her Shoes concern access to safe drinking water in underdeveloped nations, where children, predominately girls, take 10,000 steps per trip carrying water, often three times per day. The average US family uses over 150 gallons of water per day, while in developing nations families have available on average only 5 gallons, carried long distances by children.

The image of a child with a bucket on his or her head just can’t compete with hoards of entitled middle-class women attempting to convince the world that they are at risk of immediate sexual assault—living in constant fear—and cheering on grown men in six-inch red stilettos. Can’t have that, so there is no Wikipedia page that could undermine the image that so many entitled middle-class types use to prop up their social agendas and push them out globally. After all, the North American feminist fear of rape trumps Third World thirst every time.

The following two images illustrate just how warped the Googlearchy combined with social agendas can be: the first is an image search for the phrase “Walk a Mile in Her Shoes” and the second simply adds the word “Water” to the search.

google Image search for Walk A Mile In Her Shoes

Google Image Search for “Walk a Mile in Her Shoes”

google Image search for Walk A Mile In Her Shoes with the word water added

Google Image search for “Walk a Mile in Her Shoes”+Water

You can see that the first image is exclusively linked to First World fixations, with stiletto shoes and rapists hiding behind every shadow, and that in the second image the meme of First World female security even invades and overruns the basic necessities of life. Red stilettos pushed their way up the Googlearchy rankings and thirst was pushed out of the picture. Some are so privileged and they don’t even know it.

But back to the main issues and thrust of this article: the term “rape culture” has recently been pushed into the mainstream media in the USA through political activism. You can even chart its rise using Google Trends. It really got going in early 2012, which coincides with two political matters that are concurrent in very odd ways—but more of that later.

Rape culture: it just sounds so right that it has to mean what people think, doesn’t it? It’s been accepted and swallowed hook, line, and sinker, with journalists, pundits, and so many others failing to ask the basic questions—what does it mean and where did it come from?

Those failures and deliberate omissions are promoting sexism, racism, intellectual fraud, financial fraud, distorted perception, and are even distorting history. The Googlearchy has played its part, driving indifferently valid, indifferently accurate, and indifferently biased net content up its search rankings with no quality control or validation other than social pressure and financial gain. It is influencing politics and social perceptions globally. If you have the capacity, will, and herd-mentality supporters to link and quote content, you can define reality and then demand that the rest of the world follow you or be marginalised.

Many won’t even recognise that there is a difference between “Rape Culture” (upper case) and “rape culture” (lower case). There is. The main and simple difference is that “Rape Culture” (upper case) is the name of a film inspired by the work of a not-for-profit group called Prisoners Against Rape (PAR) founded September 9, 1973, by Larry Canon and William Fuller, inmates of Lorton Reformatory Virginia. “rape culture”(lower case) is what has been done to the equality and civil rights work of PAR since 1975. What academic terms mean and what Joe and Joanna Q. Public think they mean are very different, and so it is with “rape culture” and especially “Rape Culture.” Academic sources define rape culture as follows:

Rape culture is a concept of unknown origin and of uncertain definition; yet it has made its way into everyday vocabulary and is assumed to be commonly understood. The award-winning documentary film Rape Culture made by Margaret Lazarus in 1975 takes credit for first defining the concept.

Blackwell Encyclopedia of Sociology (2007), Edited by: George Ritzer, Entry by Prof Joyce E Williams, Page 3791ISBN: 9781405124331, DOI:10.1111/b.9781405124331.2007.x

Blackwell is available in both print and electronic versions: the e-format is updated three times per year. Reviewers say of Blackwell: “The most up-to-date work on this topic … Essential. Lower-level undergraduates through faculty/researchers.”*

So Blackwell is just about the most basic starting point for sociological academic sources, recognised widely across the globe as the best place to look up anything in sociology written in the English language and for everyone from the lowest student to the highest faculty member. Blackwell recognises the distinction of lower and upper case because “Rape Culture” is a proper name and is the name of the film Rape Culture™.

The actual truth and history of Rape Culture™ is fascinating, and it reveals many amazing people who deserve recognition and celebration for their work and courage in addressing inequality, racism, sexism, the normalisation of sexual assault as a control mechanism within institutions, and the mass indifference of those with privilege in society.

  • Larry Cannon, Black Male Prisoner, Lorton Reformatory
  • William Fuller, Black Male Prisoner, Lorton Reformatory
  • Loretta Ross, Black Woman, DC Rape Crisis
  • Yulanda Ward, Black Woman, DC Rape Crisis
  • Nkenge Toure,  Black Woman, DC Rape Crisis

Loretta Ross, a woman of some standing in the area of reproductive rights, rape, and social justice, has even said this of the work with Prisoners Against Rape: “Oh, I’ve forgotten to tell you about Prisoners Against Rape. One of the more interesting things that happened when I was at the Rape Crisis Center is that we got contacted by a group of black men who were prisoners at Lorton Reformatory.—But I did enjoy dealing with Prisoners Against Rape” (Interview, 2004/5).

In the 1970s, the most raped and marginalised groups in US society were black men and women, and the most at risk of rape were black male prisoners in the US prisons systems. The use of rape and threat of rape as riot control and punishment is even a cultural joke in “Don’t Drop the Soap.” Rape of women in prison is seen as abhorrent, but rape of male prisoners is made into a joke and even a board game. You can buy your own box set of cultural misandry (not suitable for children) on AmazonThe Washington Post says of it: “A hilarious, yet artful romp in which five players vie to be the first out of jail” Kris Coronado, March 9, 2009.

I remain amazed that in these media-driven times with instant access to so much data, resources, and video, so few have noticed that Rape Culture™ exists. Given how easy it is to learn on the move, watching on a smartphone, hooked into Twitter or Facebook, and how easy it is to share media via webpages and email, it seems almost impossible to believe that the film has just been overlooked by so many. How Is That Possible?

Here is an excerpt from the film Rape Culture™. It was located through the website of the Academy Award–winning filmmaking organization Cambridge Documentary Films—they have a current webpage about the film.

The original excerpt in QuickTime format is located in the Internet archive Wayback Machine and was archived February 13, 2006. It’s amazing what net content has been recorded for posterity. You just have to know where it is and how to retrieve it. There was even contemporary reporting on the film in academic journals and other media:

  • Judy Norsigian, Women, Health, and Films, Women & Health, January 20, 1975, Vol. 1, Issue 1, pages 29-30.
  • Rape Culture Film, Panel In Ridgefield, The Ridgefield PressJune 23, 1977.
  • Rape: Mix of Sex, Violence, and Economics, The Lewiston Daily Sun, January 27, 1977

Some, such as Friada Kleine, seemed to make careers out of organising screenings and discussions, especially in the Michigan area. In fact, there was an outburst or renewed interests in rape culture (lower case) in Michigan in the mid-’80s and then again in the mid-’90s.

A little known fact, which is so hard to find due to the Googlearchy, is that the first submission ever to Congress that used the term “rape culture” refers to the film Rape Culture™. That was due to the work of William Fuller of Prisoners Against Rape, who submitted evidence to Congress in 1978. It’s all there in the historical record, but you have to look for it.

1973 found me studying intensely books and other materials related to rape. It was also in 1973 that I conceived of and organized a group named Prisoners Against Rape. He held weekly education meetings here In prison with meters of the outside community at which we dealt with the many aspects of ripe and other violence. I initiated and replied to nation-ride correspondence. visits, interviews with the media and Rape Crisis Centers. 1 was also involved with the making of a group film titled "Rape culture.‘  I have written a booklet titled, Rape: cause, motivation. elimination. which can be obtained by writing William Fuller. c/o Feminist Alliance Against Rape. P.O. Box 21033. Washington. D.C. 20009.  Presently I am involved with the Lifers For Prison Reform and an enrolled at Washington International College. 1 am working to obtain a Presidential Pardon.

“RESEARCH INTO VIOLENT BEHAVIOR: OVERVIEW AND SEXUAL ASSAULTS HEARINGS JANUARY 10, 11, 12, 1978 [No 64]”. Congressional Record: Page 676.

Some interesting facts about the term “rape culture”: if you search for it using Google, the Blackwell Encyclopedia of Sociology 2007 entry is not even in the top 100 results. If you use Google Scholar to search for it…, it simply does not exist. You have to ask Google for “rape culture”+definition before Blackwell even gets a mention, and the term is still absent from Google Scholar.

In Google Scholar you will find The Wiley-Blackwell Concise Encyclopedia of Sociology, which in its less than half-page entry on page 493 fails to mention any history or origin details. That is truly troubling, as it shows that scholars are deliberately not using Blackwell as a reference and going for lower quality sources. Could it be that they are showing bias and demand a definition that does not contain doubt? Or is it that once they grasp that the origin involves black male prisoners they seek ways to make both the male and racial issues vanish along with any doubt?

Rape Culture™ the film was noticed to be missing from Wikipedia in January 2011. A dialogue was started on the talk pages (now archived), and existing editors simply refused to address the issue. In the end, on May 7, 2012, a separate wiki page was created for Rape Culture™. The main wiki page was edited to include references to the film, and the objections began to heat up. Editors continue to claim that there are multiple sources for the term “rape culture,” and yet they can’t provide any academic or independent sources to support their claims. As such, it’s original research and not allowed. However, it’s defended and protested by a cadre of wiki editors because they have to have their reality and not the actual reality as set out under Wikipedia rules. It’s shocking too just how much these feminist editors push US-centric bias, not even looking for sources outside the USA, such as the work of Professors Upendra Baxi of India or Taboho Meitse of South Africa. The racial and systemic bias is quite disgusting.

The actual Blackwell Encyclopedia reference was added to the Wikipedia page January 21, 2013—and the page read, “rape culture is a concept of disputed origin and meaning …” But that wasn’t allowed to stand for long—the page was reverted and the editor attacked for using quality references that met all the required standards of Wikipedia.

The battle raged for days, with multiple reverts and editors being attacked on multiple fronts with accusations of racism, hate crime, and unwiki ways—and then they were blocked for all eternity because they used quality academic sources that a cadre of feminist editors could not allow to stand. It’s all there for review in Wikipedia if you know how to look for it. The reference to Blackwell managed to survive until 00:54, February 12, 2013, and then it was banished, never to appear again. One point that was of great contention were references to rape culture being a term in sociology, as that encourage others to look for references in that academic field, and of course the basic one is from the Blackwell Encyclopedia of Sociology (2007).

Of most interest is how on May 2, 2013, an editor then attempted to cover up the issue by linking to The Wiley-Blackwell Concise Encyclopedia of Sociology and its far less detailed and less than half-page entry in an attempt to misdirect editors and the public as to sources and quality. Of course it also means that the doubt is removed as expressed by Professor Joyce E. Williams. It’s all standard smoke and mirrors and the psychology of abuse.

So it’s now clear to me why the 40th anniversary of the coining of the term “rape culture” will not be celebrated by the feminists of the developed world. They simply can’t risk all the truths coming out, the correction to texts and student mindsets and professors who have peddled less than scholarly knowledge in an effort to defend tenure as they look at the finishing line of a pension they can’t afford to lose. They also can’t afford the racism and bias to see the light of day.

#SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen anyone?

There are many who believe that feminism is a conspiracy theory, and I can see where they are coming from. Personally, I see the issue as one more of undue influence and the desperate need that many have to be liked and in the right. I have no doubt that there are small and very well-informed groups that have been using social psychology to get their own ways to control national groups by emotive misinformation. It’s all very clear when you study the Woozle effect that there are combinations of foolishness, mendacity, and deliberate exploitation at play. The history of moral panics linked to child battery, anorexia, domestic violence, and now rape all have the same pattern and evolution, except rape culture is the first to be significantly linked to the Internet.

One reason that so many will really not want any scrutiny of rape culture or its history is the recent publication by Lara Stemple and Ilan H. Meyer, “The Sexual Victimization of Men in America: New Data Challenge Old Assumptions,” in the June 2014 issue of the American Journal of Public Health. The commentary on the study alone raises many eyebrows: the authors’ analysis of how the CDC hid the truth of male victims is withering. The CDC’s National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) 2010 was publicly published after inexplicable delay in January 2012. It was an odd coincidence that just a few days earlier (January 6, 2012), the FBI had announced it was adopting a new definition of rape as well.

The fact that the new FBI definition coincided with the CDC definitions was not in any way seen as coincidental or linked in any way with the CDC’s delay in publishing the report. There were raised eyebrows, though, given the great number of people who had campaigned for rape by envelopment to be included in the new definition. But of course those details have been blocked too, and the CDC apparently knew of this while drafting its 2010 reports. Concerns raised by Stemple and Meyer’s findings are summed up here:

In one of the studies included in the analysis, the CDC found that an estimated 1.3 million women experienced nonconsensual sex, or rape, in the previous year. Notably, nearly the same number of men also reported nonconsensual sex. In comparison to the large number of women who were raped, nearly 1.3 million men were “made to penetrate” someone else. Despite the use of these two different categories, the CDC data reveal that both women and men experienced nonconsensual sex in alarming numbers. – Press Release, April 30, 2014

So the CDC found alarming numbers of both men and women subjected to sexual assault in the USA, the same number of men and women. Odd how the CDC ignored the alarm bells.

It puts those claims of “1 in 4” in context because surely it must mean that 1 in 4 college males are subjected to sexual assault during their college career, with the most likely assailant being college women? That agrees with a number of studies that have found that 43% of high school boys and young college men reported they had an unwanted sexual experience, and of those, 95% said a female acquaintance was the aggressor (Study, March 2014).

Rates of sexually aggressive behaviors among women vary from one segment of the United States to another, but the evidence presented here shows that as many as 7% of women self-report the use of physical force to obtain sex, 40% self-report sexual coercion, and over 50% self-report initiating sexual contact with a man while his judgment was impaired by drugs or alcohol (Anderson, 1998). Given these numbers, it is appropriate to conclude that women’s sexual aggression now represents a usual or typical pattern (i.e., has become normal), within the limits of the data reviewed in this paper.

From Deviance to Normalcy: Women as Sexual Aggressors, Peter B. Anderson, Ph.D., and Dyan T. Melson, M.Ed. Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality, Volume 5, October 23, 2002.

And:

Almost 1 in 10 respondents (9.3%) reported having used aggressive strategies to coerce a man into sexual activities. Exploitation of the man’s incapacitated state was used most frequently (5.6%), followed by verbal pressure (3.2%), and physical force (2%). An additional 5.4% reported attempted acts of sexual aggression.

  WOMEN’S SEXUAL AGGRESSION AGAINST MEN, 2003

So now there is a real problem because those who have peddled and benefited most from the “rape culture” moral panic will have to address the sexually aggressive behaviour of American college women, and given that they sexually assault at the same rates as men are reported to, it will have to be an equality issue, equal for both genders, just as it was back in 1974/5 when a little known film was made called Rape Culture™.

Can’t we have a celebration, even if it has taken 40 years for the truth to come out and for the real equality and civil rights issues to take a step forward?

 

Feature image by Plind

About Isaac T. Quill

Isaac T Quill is a man of few words! He has been dealing with Equality and Diversity in Europe for over 30 years, and throughout rejected institutionalised sexism. He recently discovered that Red Pills were not necessary due to intravenous mainlining. He's pernickety, crotchety and loves fools. They can be made to suffer in such imaginative ways and researching this reality keeps Mr Quill busy.

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  • http://batman-news.com MGTOW-man

    If you have ever heard the saying “they will NEVER be satisfied”, rape hysteria is what happens when they haven’t dominated enough to suit them. Makes us wonder what is next coming down the pipe of the oblivious, hysterical, hyperbole-loving, skewed reality perspective, bimbos… who, when it comes down to it, are mad they aren’t male too…and think we males owe them something for things nature did and didn’t do.

    • Bombay

      But we do know – we all have seen this one:

    • Cylux

      How can they be satisfied with anything when feminism is telling them day in, day out, how oppressed they are and how much men have it so much unfairly better, regardless of the facts?

  • Ohone

    This is going to be a source of some dissonance.

    The prisoners were the ones that “rape culture” in the inside is what happens to women on the outside … its just the rapists turn on weaker / more effeminate men instead of women when they are locked up.

    They were the ones pointing out the similarities and parallels – prisoners and women that behaved in certain ways being said to be “asking for it” and so on.

    • iggy

      No. Rape Culture, in terms of cultural support of rape, was and remains specific to institutionally supported rape in prisons. The institution supported (ignored) the formation of rape as a culture inside prisons because, you know, prisoners ‘deserved’ to be humiliated and such. It was not and is not synonymous with non-prison culture. There are NO non-prison institutions that support a culture of rape. It was entirely unique to prison culture. And I disagree with the concept that stronger men automatically prey on weaker men or women. In my experience, stronger men will just as often defend weaker women and occasionally even weaker men, although not that often. Men are typically taught to be self sufficient, not opportunistic and violent.

      • Ohone

        Your augment is moot. When feminists are talking about rape culture they aren’t talking the institutions supporting it, they are talking about ways its subtly supported in the culture ie. the attitude that only women that behave in certain ways are raped, or the claim that doing x, y or z is asking to be raped, or the idea that male sexuality is inherently aggressive and like a switch – its called “rape culture”, not “rape institution”.

        Mra’s should watch that film, and also find out what “rape culture” means, and then make the counter arguments.

        • Mark Wharton

          And which institutions support rape and how is it supported in culture (besides raping of men and boys)

          • Mark Wharton

            So what does rape culture actually mean. Why do feminists have terms that mean something totally different then the literal meaning?

          • Ohone

            Go and watch the film and find out what it means.

          • Mark Wharton

            Rape culture is a concept that links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society,[1] and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.[2]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

            That doesn’t sound like the culture I live in at least when it comes to raping females. That is the definition I refer to.

          • Mark Wharton

            Is it really that hard to give the feminist definition instead of telling me that the onus is on me to figure it out.

          • Ohone

            “Is it really that hard to give the feminist definition instead of telling me that the onus is on me to figure it out.”

            I’m pretty sure we had a lengthy conversation about it a few weeks ago during which I gave you examples.

            I’ve already given examples of how they argue it on this very thread.

            In three years mra’s have not learned what it means and think it means everyone is cheering on rapists. which it doesn’t.

            None of us will watch the film or know what the prisoners were saying, instead we make up what it was about and what the prisoners were saying.

            And the onus is on all of us to know what we are arguing about.

          • Susie Parker

            In other words, the “onus” is on us to always keep up with the latest feminist “newspeak”, because feminists are taking back the language and definition of words from male supremacists.

            Feminists are the new supremacists. Bow down, bitch.

            1984 By George Orwell

            The Purpose of Newspeak

            Orwell was sure that the decline of a language had political and economic causes. Although he had no solid proof, he presumed that the languages of countries under dictatorships, such as the Soviet Union or Germany, had deteriorated under their respective regimes. “When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer,” Orwell writes in his essay, “Politics and the English Language.” “If thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought,” he continues. Here is the very concept behind the invention of Newspeak.

            To illustrate this idea that language can corrupt thought and that totalitarian systems use language to restrict, rather than broaden, ideas, Orwell created Newspeak. Without a word for freedom, for example, the concept of freedom cannot exist

          • Ohone

            So if I suggest that mra’s watch the film and find out what rape culture means, instead of saying a lot of things that are incorrect and untrue, I’m promoting an Orwellian world.

            Your post is more of a projection. There is pressure in the comments section to ignore truth and conform to a narrative.

          • Susie Parker

            Newspeak: new speak – not news speak.

            I’ve got that film cued next after my murder culture,robbery culture, mental illness culture, bull shit culture series.

          • Ohone

            “I’ve got that film cued next after my murder culture,robbery culture, ”

            This argument is moot because the film goes into “murder culture” and “robbery culture”.

            So basically like the others here, you want to dispute the contents of a film, but won’t watch the film – you already know the truth about it.

          • https://www.facebook.com/ Darryl Jewett

            I’ve been reading patiently comment threads under many of these articles at AVFM and that you are annoying and offer nothing of substance to any discussion is obvious. Your comments independently and as a collection are nonsensical, irrational and pointless.

          • Ohone

            Should I insist that the prisoners were saying something other than what they were saying in the film while refusing to actually watch the film?

            Should claim that a wife controls 100% of the households wages?

            What sort of foolishness would make me appear rational by comparison here?

          • Ohone

            >That doesn’t sound like the culture I live in at least when it comes to raping females. That is the definition I refer to.”

            That definition is useless to you if you don’t know what it means. It doesn’t mean they are saying that people openly and consciously support rape. Do you know what what normalized means in that context?

            “and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.”

            How do they and the prisoners argue there are attitudes and practices that excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape?

            Watch the film, learn more about what it means.

            Copying and pasting the wiki entry and believing that they are making the obviously untrue claim that every openly and consciously supports rapists for years now is quite frankly stupid of us.

          • Mark Wharton

            Normalized means taht I cannot understand it because of my male privilege that is bestowed upon me with the patriarchy.

          • Ohone

            Ok so you don’t know what it means – so you are citing a definition and saying you are going by that definition – but you don’t know what that definition is referring to.

            This is why mra’s should watch the film and then go and find out what rape culture means – then we see which parts we actually agree with and then make legitimate counter arguments against the parts we don’t.

          • Mark Wharton

            Of course I know several different definitions. I do not know what you THINK it means however.

          • Mark Wharton

            I know what it literally means, but I don’t keep up with all the word games to obfuscate the issue.

          • Ohone

            If you knew what it meant, you would be able to articulate it accurately and sound like you knew what it meant.

          • Mark Wharton

            Since you won’t tell I will have to go through various definitions.

            rape culture — a society that assumes it’s women’s responsibility to protect themselves from an inevitable assault, and places the blame squarely on their shoulders if they do get raped — is alive and well.

            Give me a break….

          • Ohone

            “Since you won’t tell I will have to go through various definitions.”

            You don’t have to make up various definitions based on interpretations of slogans, you can watch the film and go and find out how they make their arguments, then you will know what to make a counter argument against.

          • Susie Parker

            Read George Orwell’s 1984 while you are at it.

          • Ohone

            “Read George Orwell’s 1984 while you are at it”

            because I have watched the film, know what their terms mean, know the mra’s have basically made up an alternative truth about prisoners against rape and referenced the term and therefore need re-education to conform to popular but incorrect political narratives here.

            If you don’t believe me, you can simply confirm what I’m saying by

            1) watching the film

            2) finding out what they say rape culture means

            If you take those two steps, you will then be able to make credible counter arguments against it.

          • Ohone

            Go and watch the film and find out what their arguments are yourself.

          • Mark Wharton

            I’m not going to sit through propaganda when you cannot even give me a simple definition that you have that is different then the literal definition. Sifting through wordplay is not my idea of a good time.

          • Ohone

            So, I took the time out to go into a lengthy explanation three weeks ago with you, gave three examples on the thread, the film has been available to watch as are many opportunities to find out what it means, and its still someone else’s job to tell you the meaning of things your chose to argue against.

          • Andybob

            ‘Rape Culture’ is an examination of how male-on-male rape is widely committed, condoned and enabled (in other words, ‘normalized’) within the penal institutions represented in the film.

            When feminists claim that we live in a rape culture, they are stating a belief that male-on-female rape is committed, condoned and enabled (in other words, ‘normalized’) by society at large.

            While there is more than sufficient evidence demonstrating that rape culture exists in prisons (available in more recent research than what is presented in the decades-old documentary, ‘Rape Culture’), there is no credible evidence demonstrating that rape culture exists in society at large.

            Feminist ‘research’, which you should have discerned by now, is not credible evidence. Read Christina Hoff-Sommers’ thorough debunking of the ‘1 in 4′ for an insight as to now feminists conduct their ‘research’. The reason why feminists protect and defend ‘1 in 4′ as though it were the holy grail, is because it is the foundation of their claim that we live in a rape culture.

            In past threads, you have detailed what feminists mean by rape culture. These included ‘facts’ such as women being blamed for their rapes, institutionalized disbelief about women’s rape claims and women routinely altering their behavior and attire to avoid sexual assault. These are all, at best, completely unsubstantiated and unsupported claims made by feminists eager to inject rape hysteria into their narrative of systemic female oppression.

            I don’t understand why you buy into it. I have read your brilliant and well-informed dissemination of feminism on other sites – and frankly, I’m impressed. You are obviously no fool. Yet, you seem to have a blind spot when it comes to rape culture, preferring to be led by the nose by feminists, and even allowing them to redefine terms like ‘normalization’ and what ‘(fill-in the-blank) culture’ actually means.

            Mark Wharton had it right. His definition of both terms was correct. They are not arbitrary terms. The fact that feminists have treated them as such only proves that they are as prone to playing fast and loose with semantics as they are with facts and figures. We do not live in a rape culture. Society isn’t a prison – it just feels that way sometimes.

            I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one as we’ve had this debate before, with no resolution in sight. Your support for the rights and welfare of men and boys across the Web is, never-the-less, greatly appreciated.

          • Ohone

            You obvious haven’t watched the film.

            The prisoners were saying what happens to women outside prison, moved on to weaker and more effeminate men in prison. Their primary focus was ending rape for women.

            “redefine terms like ‘normalization”

            They didn’t redefine normalization. We just don’t know what normalization means and then we think it has been redefined when we find out it doesn’t mean what what we though it did.

            As well as not knowing what is meant by normalization – we do not how they would argue rape is normalized.

            We guess that it means everyone is saying “yay rape is normal and good”, which is a far more foolish thing to think is being said, than what’s actually being said.

            “Mark Wharton had it right. His definition of both terms was correct.”

            No, he had it right according to mra narratives so to you he seems all knowledgeable and correct.

          • Andybob

            Pretty much the response I expected. We can’t keep having the same debate. Let’s just leave it at that.

          • Ohone

            Andybob – if you are arguing about the content of a film and what they people in that film are saying, you should actually watch the film first.

            There is nothing unreasonable about that and you are dishonest for trying to suggest that idea is wrong.

            I’d appreciate it if you were not so blatantly, intellectually dishonest with me.

        • Susie Parker

          I’ve watched bits and parts of the film in the past, and still don’t buy into it.

          I guess because the image of my sister in law’s face, describing how she molested baby boys as a teenager while babysitting keeps popping up in my mind, I reject the notion this is a male “bad attitude problem”.

          Or exclusively a male attitude problem.

          I’m a woman. I’ve experienced a very intense “rape culture” situation as a unusually inexperienced 18 year old woman stationed on an isolated military base with over 7,000 men and less than 100 women. This was during an era when actual convicted – and unapologetically admitted – rapists were allowed to enlist in lieu of going to prison.

          During my three years in that situation, I never knew a woman to have been raped. Not one. Under the “new” definition of rape, yes, I suppose dozens could now go back and claim they were too drunk or on drugs, or had a bad upbringing and Daddy issues that some bad,bad man took advantage of.

          It was a VERY intense time where women in uniform were openly called “whores” by those in authority, there was zero respect for us, and a great deal of anger.

          Yet – I never felt safer in my life. I wore hot pants in sub zero weather, short skirts, went braless (’70’s style at the time). I was attractive,skinny and had long blonde hair. I didn’t get drunk with strangers. I didn’t talk in any way that suggested I was sexually promiscuous. I didn’t confide any illegal or compromising information to anyone that could use it as leverage to coerce me into a compromising situation.

          It wasn’t that fucking hard to avoid as a responsible adult. I was over 18 and accepted that I was now a responsible adult. I looked out for myself – like ANY responsible adult does, male OR female.

          And now they claim one in every three women in the military are raped.

          • Ohone

            So if you aren’t disputing the fact the prisoners in the film are mainly focused rape of women and that they were saying “rape culture” is the same social problem inside and outside prison, what are you disputing with me?

          • Susie Parker

            I’m not saying that at all. Women rape men, women rape and molest little boys – and big boys for that matter. How does that square with poor widdle women being disrespected and preyed upon by big eveeeil men?

            I’ve never heard of authorities intentionally putting a woman in harms way under any circumstance, I HAVE often heard of prison jailers intentionally putting a male prisoner in a cell with a known rapist with the very intention he would be attacked, then ignoring any cries for help.

            My former brother in law’s son was being repeatedly raped in jail and he had to pay an enormous amount of money to get his son moved out of the cell.

            Never heard of that happening to a woman under any circumstance.

            When my 16 year old son had to pay off a traffic ticket in installments, the policeman doing his paperwork told him “If you don’t pay on time, you will be arrested and put in jail. I’ve worked lock up and yer a “purdy boy”. Know whut I mean?

            As a woman, I have NEVER had any authority threaten me with rape for not paying a speeding ticket. I’ve never had proxy rape instigated against me by means of a false rape accusation.

            I know men who have.

            I’ll ask again – does the current female teacher/student rape epidemic count as “institutionalized” rape because they get away with it, while a male teacher “sexting” a female student gets 40 years?

            I think you are full of shit. Sorry.

          • Ohone

            I think you are confused,

            That has nothing to do with any arguments I made here and you seem to be conflating “rape culture” and “rape institution”, “rape culture” is about attitudes in the culture, not institutions promoting rape.

            This comments section is like stepping into the twilight zone.

          • Susie Parker

            You haven’t made any “arguments”. “Go watch the film, go watch the film” isn’t an argument.

          • Ohone

            So someone is disputing the contents of a film while having not watched the film and someone else suggests that person watch the film before they get into long arguments about the content as the films content is not what they think it is, its not a reasonable think to suggest.

            Twilight zone music is playing …

          • Susie Parker

            It isn’t about the film anymore, Ohone. It’s about the collective understanding of the term. Every twit twat throwing the “Rape Culture”! accusation about has not seen the film, it isn’t about the film.

            It’s about the collective understanding of an ugly, ugly false accusation that rape is condoned and even “taught” to society’s males that rape is condoned.

            What a stupid contention you have going here. You sound like some religious nut telling people they must read the Bible to understand what “love covers a multitude of sin” means.

            It’s about Breaker Morant! See the film from 40 years ago!

            Soylent Green is people! See the film from 40 years ago!

            Don’t go in the ocean! See the film from 40 years ago!

            The Eagle has landed! See the movie from 40 years ago!

            Nurse Rachet! See the movie from 40 years ago!

            I GROK you! See the film from 40 years ago!

            What we have here is a failure to communicate…

            …..oh, you have to watch the movie from 40 years ago to “get” what I really, really mean by that, of course.

            Rape or culture are not two special newspeak words no one’s ever heard of with some deep secret meaning only uncovered in a film.

            Roseanne Barr screeching “RAPE Cullllcha”! over the Steubenville drunken teen rape party was not referencing any 1970’s Prison movie that every citizen in the country must be force fed to watch to even understand what they are being accused of.

            This is the REAL definition of “Rape Culture” – it means men are evil and women always helpless victims, just like the always shape shifting word “Feminism”.

            If it’s THAT difficult to define or understand, better or more appropriate wording is needed. These two particular words together will no longer stand unchallenged.
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          • Ohone

            In your mind it isn’t about the film.

            In reality the “controversial” thing I said here is people should watch the film, instead of insisting they know what its about and being wrong about it.

          • Susie Parker

            Twilight zone, twilight zone, cue up the music. We done here?

          • Ohone

            I’m not keeping this going.

            The “controversial” thing I said here is people should watch the film, instead of not watching and insisting they know what its about and being completely wrong about it.

            Beyond that its just the regulars objecting to it making strawman arguments to which I reassert the initial common sense and facts they are objecting to.

            Further to that I was the first mra talking about that film, and I was showing stats that showed mutuality in sexual assault before there was an a voice for men and before the mens movement started talking about female to male rape, and I was never arguing that women aren’t raping men and boys in the first place … so there isn’t any point in your trying to lecture me and posting links to information on women raping men.

          • jen fon

            Then get out already.

      • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

        “There are NO non-prison institutions that support a culture of rape.” – not correct.

        There are few incidents that meet the specific aspects of rape culture and one in particular that the US based feminist do not like is “Gujurat 2002″ The second Gujarat catastrophe – which as laid bare by Prof Upendra Baxi was quite terrible – both state and national government of India allowed rape to be used internally as a riot measure and genocide. On of the least known Human Rights Violations ever of a nation state against it’s own population. ”

        WE HAVE NO ORDERS TO SAVE YOU” or “Most of the rape victims were simply set on fire to destroy the evidence,”

        Of course white middle class Wesleyan (I’m afraid of art) feminist can’t cope with such matters and realities so they IGNORE them. Far better to worry about the rape culture of canteen lighting making that salad look creepy than genocide.”

      • Ohone

        ” And I disagree with the concept that stronger men automatically prey on weaker men or women.”

        So you are disagreeing with something that nobody has said in the first place.

      • Susie Parker

        Does the current “epidemic” of women raping little boys with mild or NO repercussions not count as insututionalized, accepted and even encouraged “rape culture”?

        • Ohone

          Your point is moot because the idea that men can’t be raped because they always want it anyway and therefore are lucky and therefore the women didn’t really commit a crime – is a central part of the theory.

    • RubberPunch

      I’m gonna have to support Ohone on this one. The movie is available on Youtube in its entirety at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UubtClKqHK8.

      What I find remarkable is that the only males that seem to be allowed to speak, are the inmates that appear to have been through some sort of schooling process?

      The movie appear to be using a specific subset of males (convicted inmates) to support the claims of the females in the movie.

      While the movie may mention male on male rape in prison, this is unfortunately only used to argue that male sexuality is beastly and without empathy. When the truth could well be, that these traits are a large reason why these men ended up in prison in the first place.

      So traits that belong to a certain group of people, that will lead to more of these people in prison, will also lead them to be more likely to be rapists. What the movie then do, is transfer these traits from this minor group to all men, thus claiming that all men are indeed rapist, because all men are beastly and without empathy.

      The second use for these men that are given voices, is to show that men can be trained to transcend their inherent evil, and become good men.

  • sputnik

    This article really says it. This article neatly aligns all of the data most relevant to the big, inclusive picture of non-consensual sexual behaviors, data which can easily be remembered and produced for counter-argument. And in addition, here we find a beautiful, little bit o’context regarding the REAL “rape culture” ™, with or without capital letters, etc. Interesting how that gets buried, but we all know why. I’ve got this one bookmarked, boy howdy!

    Moreover, thanks for shedding some light on the “googlearchy”. I was only dimly aware of that, and I can now re-evaluate the influence of the internet properly.

    Thank you Mr Quill: “The penis mightier than the sword.” (Well, at least I ain’t lost my sense o’humor. And of course, the spell check function misses it entirely. :-)

  • Not buying it

    Yah , rape culture, unicorn’s, fairies , UFO’s and monsters under their beds , some people believe in them.

    • Vương Vi-Nhuyễn – 王微軟

      Just like the Patriarchy… myth’ll be myths… (>_<)

    • LikkiCurry

      But UFOs are real! Unindetified Fucking Objects. That’s where the false allegations come from. Goverment is silent! They’re telling us only approximately 14% of the truth! We need not be fooled, and rise against Unindentified Fucking Objects!!

    • https://www.facebook.com/ Darryl Jewett

      Don’t forget bogeymen, lollipops and rainbows.

    • Nephanor of Fraal

      UFOs are real. I fly one. And I am here to help you clean the planet of feminists. Where’s your soylent green factory?

  • CoffeeCrazed

    Side topic…was in a smoke break convo with people close-ish to the story of James Pratt, a Stony Plain, Alberta high school teacher who has recently been arrested for the sexual assault of a female student.

    Note: conversation is hear-say only.

    The only other girl in the class has openly questioned these allegations, stating no one interviewed her about the situation. She apparently has attempted to get student support to attend court in support of the teacher.

    Smelling a false accusation here.

    • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

      Don’t smell – that should be made known 1st to his defence team and via them to the police.

      • CoffeeCrazed

        I am about 4° removed from the sitch.

  • Draigo Luther

    Walk a mile in her shoes eh? Ok fair enough, if she would walk a mile in my combats boots. That’s brown combat boots, full US Army Infantry Kit (IOTV with full combat load, 8 Magazines (240 Rounds), Front Plates, Back Plates, Side Plates, Combat Gloves, ACH Helmet, Eye Protection, M-4 Carbine with all attachments, while carrying a rucksack with gear weighing between 70-110 pounds depending on the mission. Let me see those feminists walk one mile in that let alone 10,12 or 20. Oh and do it in 110 degree heat, and the only water you have is what is in your camalback.
    If they have an event like that where I am at, I’m going to bring my kit se up as worn on mission, and then challenge them to do it. If for anything to make a point.

    • Nephanor of Fraal

      Actually, I think we should also get Mike Rowe involved. He can start a concurrent event, “Work a Day in His Shoes” and take women to work in all the jobs he does on his show, all the jobs women are so absent from. THEN we can tell feminists if they want enforced quotas, they get the shit jobs first, and we get quotas in the easy ones they have.

  • PlainOldTruth

    A scenario yet to be dealt with: Marry a man. Take out life insurance on him. Murder him. Marry again. Take out life insurance on him. And do it again, and again. We presume the marriages involve intercourse. The murder is premeditated from a point BEFORE the marriage and the intercourse occurs while the man is unwittingly marked for extermination. . — There many known cases of a woman committing 4 or more in series. (I label them “Champion Black Widow Serial Killers” you can quickly get a list and links by googling). This is an interesting, and unexplored, variation of the crime of rape. For some reason or other, the tenured “gender” talkers have not yet taken up the subject.

  • DukeLax

    I believe that when American law enforcement started accepting federal pork bloating dollars in return for protocol perversions and semantics games to manufacture faulty and inflammatory rape statistics…that they not crossed a moral boundary….they actually pissed on the US constitutions equal protection clauses.

  • DukeLax

    I believe that the point in time where American law enforcement started accepting the extra pork bloating dollars to start using “protocol perversions and semantics games” in order to manufacture faulty and inflammatory rape statistics…was the point in history where American law enforcement crossed the constitutional boundary!!!

  • pacman7331

    High quality paper, better than peer reviewed journals.