1 year, 5 months and 4 days

Noted false rape accuser, and Professor of Biology at the University of Minnesota, Morris, Pee Zed Meyers, has some words of advice for a certain “big shot” (JtO) at AVfM.  “A word for Hembling: Yes, rape is a crime. So is falsely reporting a rape.”

He’s referring to John’s comment on the content aggregator website Reddit, where he posted in response to the headline, “Men’s rights activists’ conspire to cripple college rape reporting system with false reports”

He reposted that headline, appending his own commentary.

“…GOOD! Go forward, brothers, and fuck their shit up. Rape is a crime. If somebody has a report to file of being the victim of this crime – file that report with a POLICE ORGANIZATION, not with some jumped up kangaroo court or administrative star chamber. And when operating in an environment where the star-chamber rules – FTSU with the same fraudulent reports they’ve tuned their system to process against you.”

Strong words. And we note for the record that they were not posted as a matter of AVFM policy. AVFM had nothing to do with the online attack of the rape “reporting” instrument at Occidental College in Los Angeles, which is why you saw JTO’s comment on a site aggregator and not as a part of organized activism promoted by our team.

That, however, does not place an editorial value judgement on what happened. While we are not keen from the management position here to place a “right or wrong” value on the attack, we do assert that in the current climate of hostility, rape hysteria, draconian policies and ideological public deception, that such forms of backlash are inevitable.

Now, the thesis driving the good professor’s public admonition? Bombing an anonymous rape reporting tool clearly designed to proliferate reports by any means necessary, including providing fertile soil for false reports, is, according to him, an escalation of the problem of fraudulent reports. It’s not a statement against the extra-legal processing of criminal complaints by an administrative railroad lacking legal due process.

Should we all now entertain Pee Zed’s pantomime; his charade that he is so mentally defective that this needs to be explained as if he’d been lobotomized at some point in his unfortunate existence?

Ah, no. Indeed, we won’t waste many keystrokes explaining. Even the occasional victim of prefrontal lobe scrambling that occasionally visits here will probably see  the transparent, lying scumbucketry in attempting to circumvent JTO’s point by feigning outrage at false allegations — those being the current raison d’être of Free Thought Blogs. Roughly a year after Myers posted an anonymous, fraudulent accusation of rape against another public academic of far greater accomplishment than himself, the egg remains on his face.

“A word for Hembling: Yes, rape is a crime. So is falsely reporting a rape.”

How sweet. Pee Zed has finally found religion.

It is worth pointing out that while falsely reporting a rape to an actual police organization is at least theoretically a crime (it is rarely punished) – filing a phony report of the same to an extra-judicial administrative star chamber is something else entirely.

The “honor” courts now extant on American college campuses have a mandate from the department of education. But that mandate is a profound violation of the foundational principal of due process which has characterized human rights in the western world.

The mechanism of anonymous accusations and administrative show trials are now the “apparatus of justice” on a college campus. Treating them with the respect of a legitimate legal system is, therefore, to endorse the purposeful corruption of justice into ideologically driven fascism.

In fairness it must be said that a significant number of Men’s Human Rights Activists have publicly renounced the flooding of the Occidental “reporting” tool with false reports.

We understand their position, but do not agree with it. One comment immediately following JTOs read in part:

“’Fuck their shit up’ has to be done with some sophistication, so you don’t look like an asshole with nothing but hate on the agenda. This wasn’t the time to do that. The university was under the eye of the feds and now we are under those eyes. I’d call this a serious misfire.”

We are inclined to believe this encapsulates the most common aversion to the act of sabotaging of an anonymous false report facilitating system.

There is a public consensus that accusers are always victims. This isn’t necessarily an honest consensus. After all, even feminists admit that 1 to 5 percent of “reported rapes” are fraudulent. Some academic studies have placed the number much higher, between 40 and 50 percent, and some senior police officers, speaking publicly have estimated at least similar numbers of reports of rape are fraudulent. In 2010 the Orlando, Florida Police Department felt compelled to issue a public plea for false rape allegations to stop because of the drain they were causing on police resources.

However, the consensus exists, dishonest or not; that an accuser of sexual assault is automatically a true victim of sexual assault. That consensus has real power. Open defiance of this public narrative can earn the owner of nonconforming opinion extreme public censure as well as the loss of public personhood as a “good person” or “good man”. The pious, fraudulent shrieking and phony outrage has a chilling effect on the natural expression of healthy human conscience. We refer to that expressed in opposition to obvious evils such as suppression of free speech and elimination of due process, and anonymizing of criminal accusations.

And few people have the stomach to openly defy that pious public consensus when their own public personhood is the price to be paid. To be defined, by public consensus as no longer a decent human being. The threat of  loss of the “good man” card is powerful stuff.

We are not good men. As men’s human rights activists, we are villains. We may even be a super-villains.

So we will both repeat together what we have both already said separately.

What should we expect to happen when a high profile institution of higher education provides a publicly accessible method for reporting anonymous criminal accusations?

Do we believe that such a tool would be widely publicly embraced? Only if we also believe that our neighbors, co-workers, and all the anonymous travelers in traffic in our day to day lives are individuals of no moral compass, and an infantile, literalist credulity toward the public misinformation we are continuously force fed by commercial media.

On the contrary, presented with free access to an obviously ideologically driven “reporting tool”, one which appears tailored to facilitate fraudulent reports, a mentally healthy population will subvert such a corrupt tool.

A mentally healthy individual will engage in the practice of FTSU.

Without apology, without embarrassment, and with a considered evaluation of right and wrong according to mainstream sensibilities.

Without even the prompting of a public-bad-man like JTO, whose endorsement came after the rest of the world have already responded by sabotage to the institution of Occidental College’s “reporting form”.

Good!, go forward brothers and sisters, and FTSU.

Incidentally, as the mighty Pee Zed has deigned to turn his mighty eye once more on JTO’s writing, Its worth noting that as of today, it is 1 year, 5 months and 4 days since the professor was challenged by John to actually use reason, rather than invective to refute or dispute anything written on this site.

The challenge to Pee Zed was first issued in July of 2012, and re-issued half a dozen times since:

“Address the substance of anything I’ve written in my last 100 articles on this site in a manner befitting an academic celebrity and intellectual. Show me where I’m wrong, and change my opinion. And do it without recourse to the usual tactics of censure, identity-politics and attempted shaming tactics.

I absolutely swear my opinion is readily changeable, provided a strong, reasoned argument can be made. Do it like a grown up. That’s my challenge to you PZ. Act like a man, for a complete full article. If you can do that absent of the usual puerile drivel, I’ll publish a permanent article right here on AVfM announcing to the world that you changed my mind.”

To date, he has not responded, despite apparently continuing to read every single thing JTO writes. Even comments on places like reddit. A favour neither Paul nor John can return, as tedious, predictable and unsupported invective and puerile authoritarianism make for rather dull reading.

“And gosh, but Hembling is really an awful person”.

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  • SlantyJaws

    Let’s be quite clear here. An anonymous rape report program is not a tool of justice. It’s not the result of logical thought, it’s not the product of a concerned administration.

    It’s an instrument whereby ANYONE can accuse ANYONE of rape without consequence. Therefore by “Pee Zed”‘s own admission, it is specifically designed to enable crime, if his “Yes, rape is a crime. So is falsely reporting a rape” is to be taken at face value. And I see no reason why it should not be.

    I have no difficulty with Fing TSU. I heartily embrace and endorse the sentiment, and I don’t think the MRM should be non confrontational on these matters. No, we shouldn’t shout back at feminists on the protest line, yes, we should enter their safe spaces and make our factually supported points, for as long as it takes for them to eject us. And then we should do it again. And again. And again.

    Until they realise that there are no safe spaces for injustice, there are no safe spaces where the innocent can be victimised, there are no safe spaces for those who advocate murder and infanticide, there is nowhere that their sociopathy and lunacy will be granted a veneer of legitimacy.

    I also have no difficulty with the idea of poisoning a well designed to subvert and pervert the course of justice and the legal rights of one section of the population.

    Go forth and fuck their shit up.

  • greg

    2% rape claim false proven to be feminist lie.

    Alan Dershowitz via Pierce. 40% false per study.
    James Taranto WSJ on kangaroo court.

    KC Johnson on Occidental policy where no means no, but yes may mean no as well.

  • Dean Esmay

    I have stated this on Hangout On Air and on YouTube, but I forgot to state it here:

    I publicly pledge that if another form like this appears anywhere in America–indeed, anywhere in the world–I will file as many false reports on it as I possibly can. I will spoof my IP address to come in from multiple IPs to get it done. I will do it proudly and I will have as many of my friends as I can to also file false reports on forms like this.

    PZ is one of the most moronic people ever granted a PhD. The only way he could get anywhere near something like Science Magazine is writing ranting editorials, as far as actual research is concerned there are High School Science Fair contestants who are more distinguished, and this sort of thing proves it. What in the world ever led him to believe there would be ANYTHING statistically, scientifically valid about a form like this? Why would ANY sane person believe it would be used for anything but Witch Hunts?

    Oh, I forgot: PZ, as a High Priest of Science-ology, will attack heretics wherever and whenever he can. He is our modern-day Father Coughlin.

  • scatmaster

    We understand their position, but do not agree with it. One comment immediately following JTOs read in part:

    “’Fuck their shit up’ has to be done with some sophistication, so you don’t look like an asshole with nothing but hate on the agenda. This wasn’t the time to do that. The university was under the eye of the feds and now we are under those eyes. I’d call this a serious misfire.”

    I must have missed that comment or I have forgotten. I will go back and down vote it if I have not already.

    • John Hembling (JtO)

      With respect, Scatmaster, I would greatly prefer we /NOT/ downvote commentary simply because we find them wrongheaded or foolish.

      • sammich heist

        I think the point of down-votes on commentary systems is to show disagreement without ending up with 1000 replies of “you’re an idiot”.

        Not to be confused with False-Flagging which is an abuse.

        The downvote button is there specifically for when someone finds a comment wrongheaded, foolish, idiotic, fucktarded, …
        that’s its purpose.

        • Fredrik

          Yeah, it’s different in systems where sufficient downvotes can trigger an autoban. Coming here from forums where they carried more weight — where they were essentially a vote to boot you off — I had to adjust my perspective and chill out. It isn’t the end of the world if people have to click on your comment to read it; that might even be doing you a favor, if you weren’t putting your best foot forward.

          But was this actually about a comment on reddit? I don’t know how it works there.

          • toothless

            yeah a system where down vote lead to censorship is bad. It would be better to have a like dislike system for comment, that way we can show we don’t approve of it, while not having to write something not productive for the actual discussion and spam the comment page.

  • scatmaster

    Well, JTO after further review I did not down it then and I didn’t when I looked at it again.
    Did not see the point as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

  • Robert St. Estephe

    I look atr it this way: The issue at hand, the extrajudicial anonymous Stasi star chamber is on its own face a travesty. The biq question is, not that it is unjust under our legal principles, but that for such a thing to be actually rolled out is proof that the principles are, in essence, dissolved. it is only a matter of time before the effects of this dissolution of the principles of freedom and due process to be felt in every single, not matter how miniscule, aspect of our lives.

    Thus the “rape culture” scam is not the big problem. The big problem is that we have allowed an arbitrary dictatorship to take over. It is hungry for power and will not be satisfied until it has total control.

    The line has been crossed. We all live in an occupation zone now. We must think and act accordingly. And we must spread the message that the occupation must be thrown off. Either that, or slavery awaits, and what’s worse, slavery awaits all the children who are going to grow into adulthood under TOTAL CONTROL by corrupt bureaucrats.

    Pee Wee My-Arse, biology professor and blowhard, is a wretched parasite and deserves no respect from humans. He should go back to his petri dishes and hold communion with the molds and diseases which make the proper audience for the supercilious drivel that spews forth from that toxic face-volcano of his.

  • comslave

    For me, a far more profound and effective expression of FTSU is for the young men attending that university to immediately withdraw, transfer someplace else, or simply drop out of university and join the trades such as construction, where women will rarely be seen.

    Make them pay through your absence. Understand that your absence means something, even if they will never admit it does.

    Only you can shut it down.

    Walk away.

    You’re men, you can do that.

    • dungone

      To me, that would be just another sign of men being pushed out of higher education in general. It would make more sense if those men stay and protest.

  • The Real Peterman

    This reporting system is a travesty. It is unjust and should not exist. But what can people do about it? We could ask the college nicely to stop it but they would never listen to us. So we have to do things such as flood it with nonsense complaints.

  • justman

    >>Bombing an anonymous rape reporting tool clearly designed to proliferate reports by any means necessary, including providing fertile soil for false reports, is, according to him, an escalation of the problem of fraudulent reports.

    Can someone translate this into plain English? Clearly, “bombing” is not intended literally here, but what does this sentence mean? I can make a guess, but I think many readers might not understand what is said here.

    • Robert Brockway

      Bombing in this context is a flood of an online service intended to overwhelm the service. Bombing can be a type of ‘denial of service’ attack intended to take down a service. In this case I understand the suggestion is to flood the system with correctly formed, but fake, reports. The idea being to overwhelm on the humans who have to process and try to understand the large number of reports rather than the computer systems that have to receive them.

      Most online forms include a ‘captcha’ designed to make sure that a human is filling out the form rather than a computer, so someone wanting to bomb a site like this would need to either figure out a way around the captcha or have humans perform the operations.

      Deliberately launching a denial of service is illegal in many jurisdictions. IANAL.

    • Fredrik

      PZ “Malicious Gossip” Meyers is claiming that if a system lets you make false rape accusations anonymously, and you flood it with them, then you’re worsening the problem of rape lies. As is his habit and custom, sreyeM ZP has it completely backwards; you’re actually reducing the credibility of the system itself, and by extension, all of the calumny that it will generate. This in no way harms any actual rape victims, who can still go to the actual police, the same as before.

    • justman

      Thanks for the explanation. I had guessed correctly.

      May I still suggest that using such a “technical” and easily misunderstood term in the article perhaps is not the most productive way of making the point? It can also easily be misconstrued by those who wish to do so,

      Using an expression such a “overloading” or “overflowing” might be better.

  • toothless

    lets flip it around and make it so the system was to report communist during the cold war.
    Everyone can report anonymously and the subjected person will be met by the secret service to determine the credibility of the claim.I am sure everyone would find it appalling, and a blatant violation of our right.

    Making false claim on such a system and reporting miss pacman as your rapist. is not to same as going to the police and making them waste their time and money so you can get out of paying for a cab fare and filling a false report so the asshole will pay for not remembering your name.
    It does not cause harm to any innocent person it just show how stupid and useless such system is .

    I guess expecting pee zed to see this is just to much to ask . Maybe if there was such a system reporting feminist on campus, he would see how Orwellian that is and a blatant violation of civil right .

    and yet after all that still not doing the supposedly easy task of debunking JTO article,i guess it is much harder to do when you actually have to bring proof and cant just scream PATRIARCHY FUCK FACE!