London Irish Center2

The London Irish Center—Win or Lose

MRA London descended on the London Irish Center yesterday for a rather impromptu protest over the planned Radfem 2013 conference in June. In fact, we arrived just as the Irish Centre management were holding a project meeting in the bar area of their venue—rather considerate of them, we felt. They did seem to mind a little, however, when we decided to join in their meeting.

The London Irish Center

During the ensuring commotion, I kindly presented them with a copy of “Protecting Charities from Harm, Guidelines for trusties from the UK Charities Commission“, and as politely I could manage (not my strong point to be honest) suggested that they read it with regard to Radfem.

Our protest happened after I got all fired up after discovering that Radfem, the pro-violence radical feminist group who advocate eugenics for male population control and much much worse, had booked the conference center for their annual event. (Last year’s Radfem conference planned at Conway Hall was aborted after the conference center declined the booking when they realized what they were taking on.) In the space of a couple of hours, I had knocked out some very fiery articles on MRA London and A Voice for Men, and as an after-thought, I rang one of our guys to see what he thought. To my surprise, he suggested a protest the very next day with who ever we could get to turn up at such short notice.

“Why don’t we talk outside?”

That morning, with little in the way of a plan, I ran off a some documents from the printer along with some leaflets I had hurriedly threw together the night before, and set off for London armed with a camera. By 11:00 AM I was sitting in the Irish Center, drinking latte and praying that I wouldn’t be the only one to turn up. I wasn’t—I needn’t have worried.

One of the documents I printed included the Protecting Charities from Harm Compliance Toolkit Guildelines and it was a last minute decision to hand it to them. Yes, this was a highly impromtu protest, but it is so important that we stop standing on the sidelines and begin to…

Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes
—Maggie Kuhn

Protecting Charities from Harm

Personally, I found I was actually quite good at that bit.

But thing is, doing something, doing anything is better than doing nothing. We are starting from scratch, and we not experienced campaigners or political agitators. Rather, we are simply men and women who have woken up and are willing to stand up and take the first steps necessary in effecting direct action over issues that are of extreme importance for our society. With each protest we do, we develop the skills, strategies and numbers needed to be more effective. We know that we are giving heart to countless people who have never had their concerns listened to, having always been shouted down or dismissed. We represent a nascent ability to respond and have our voice heard, and we can only grow stronger.

For what it’s worth, I don’t actually believe we have any right to shut-down an event, such as Radfem 2013, simply because we disagree with certain views, even if such views are extreme. We would actually prefer for the Radfem conference to go ahead and to attend the damn thing! That way we could take notes and record video, and publish what was went on there so that everyone can see judge for themselves. I would suggest that it should be a matter of concern that the organizers of Radfem 2013 regard such openness as a threat. (In any case, issues of personal safety aside, I could not attend the Radfem conference — they exclude me because of my sex.)

It is not lost on me that the London Irish Center must be wondering what kind of polarized alien landscape they have blindly wandered into with this. But then, the UK Charities Commission did provide a little guidebook for them which would have come in very handy, had they read it.

And for anyone reading about MRA London for the first time, contrary to any misconceptions, our group comprises both men and women and we are mixed race. In fact, I would judge that between 10% and 30% of the wider men’s human rights movement are women, some of whom are quite vocal. We are not homophobic—again, our own group contains two gay men, including the founder of MRA London who attended the protest.

We are entirely inclusive, unlike Radfem which is open only to women (although they no longer seem to publicly state that members must be “women born and living as women.”) We are not “a bunch of misogynists”, we don’t want to “turn the clock back” or to “rape women” or to “put women behind any kitchen sink” or any other such nonsense.

We are people who are prepared to stand up for the human worth of all human beings, irrespective of sex, and we do this simply because we have come to the conclusion that somebody must.

There is a personal upside to all this, however. I became involved in men’s human rights, not knowing what to expect, and with nothing to gain other than the experience of engaging in life again.

And by God, this is living!

MRA London finds a new recruit on the way home!

Over the last year or so, after dispensing with my former existence, I have never felt so fulfilled and engaged. It has been a privilege to find such colorful friends amongst those who have the necessary integrity to reject society’s bullshit and are willing to put their neck on the line for the things that really matter.

Win or lose, I have made my choice.

About Andy Thomas (aka "Andy Man")

Andy is an outspoken advocate for men's human rights and a campaigner against family abuse. He writes about the harm and prejudice that men and boys routinely experience, but which society refuses to acknowledge.

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  • http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?tid=451 dhanu

    Win or lose, I have made my choice.

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  • Bewildered

    BRAVO ! BRAVO!

  • August Løvenskiolds

    Cheers, mate. It is an honor to stand in the company of such friends and allies.

  • Jay

    You guys are legends.

  • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

    Best stuff ever. Totally balls out and inspiring. You make me wanna be a better man :-)

    Sentiments, shared.

    Agape !

  • http://www.hermitparkclinic.com.au Greg Canning

    Great work MRA London – if there was a MRA hall of fame, Andy and the team should be in it.

  • James Williams

    MRA London are rising up from the ashes of political deceipt that exists in the UK and doing something really positive. I have met the guys and they are some of the most sincere and moral people I have ever met. I felt a connection and a sense of brotherhood that I had not experienced in a long time.

    All we need now is the other 50 million in the population to turn off the TV, put down their games consoles, get off their butts and do something too.

    • http://www.mralondon.org Andy Thomas (aka “Andy Man”)

      You make it sound so easy.

  • napocapo69

    Go Andy!
    Let them speak, let them gather, let them express their views of the world.
    There is no more effective way to create awareness about misandry than exposing those little ideological criminals with their own words and actions.

  • Andy Bob

    “We are people who are prepared to stand up for the human worth of all human beings, irrespective of sex, and we do this simply because we have come to the conclusion that somebody must.” Andy Thomas

    Bad news for radical feminist bigots who were counting on countinuing to run amok forever, without a shred of opposition.

    Great work guys. This is very motivating and inspiring.

  • ComradePrescott

    As you said, there are women members of the MRA. Will any of them be attending this conference to take notes? I assume videos would be forbidden but that sort of thing would be great too.

  • Roderick1268

    Great work Andy.
    Unfortunately there is no image here of Richard who is a great MHRA in the UK.
    We are not hero’s people, we are a team of lads and lassies who meet offline JTO style. Stay online meet offline. Put the call out in your area and take care, especially if you are in a university town or any city.
    Extreme misanderists congregate around radical ideologues, and they congregate where the money is – the public sectors. Where they can all sun themselves in their deficiencies. (At everybodies expense)
    Rod.

    • Unregistard

      “Stay online, meet offline. Put the call out in your area and take care…”

      Worthy of repeating a thousand times.

    • http://www.mralondon.org Andy Thomas (aka “Andy Man”)

      Rod – the only picture I had of Richard was with him with his flies wide open. I’ll ask if he wants me to put it up? :)

      • Roderick1268

        Oh dear.

  • Kimski

    Excellent work, guys.
    The kittens are on me, should we ever meet.

  • Unregistard

    My respect for MRALondon and for you Andy grows every time I hear from you again.

    Bravo MRALondon.

    Video of rational and non-violent MRAs standing in opposition to RadFem 2013 would provide a beautiful followup to the now widespread video of the violent hate-fueled feminists from Toronto.

  • Sanguifer

    “For what it’s worth, I don’t actually believe we have any right to shut-down an event, such as Radfem 2013, simply because we disagree with certain views, even if such views are extreme. We would actually prefer for the Radfem conference to go ahead and to attend the damn thing!”

    I was expecting an explaination after that. I didn’t actually find one. Can you indulge me? What is it exactly You were protesting for, or against? Because it seems to me that yes, You are trying to shut RadFem down. You are trying to influence the LIC to not host their event. Well, credit where it’s due, You haven’t pulled any fire alarms. Yet.

    I am aware that people will think of me as a troll. I’m not being one. I am genuinely concerned about the methods being eerily similar, and I wonder why that is the case.

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      “We would actually prefer for the Radfem conference to go ahead and to attend the damn thing! That way we could take notes and record video, and publish what was went on there so that everyone can see judge for themselves. I would suggest that it should be a matter of concern that the organizers of Radfem 2013 regard such openness as a threat. (In any case, issues of personal safety aside, I could not attend the Radfem conference — they exclude me because of my sex.)”

      Maybe you missed it?

      Maybe you can expound on that similarity – after all, those who wished to attend were certainly most welcome to attend the MHRA meeting, welcomed to respectfully allow the speakers to speak, and welcomed to ask questions afterward – questions that were respectfully answered as best they could.

      MHRA agenda and concerns were clearly spelled out and openly shared with whomever chose to listen.

      No one “genuinely concerned” was cursed, threatened or banned based on their current genitalia and sexual proclivities.

      The need for secret agendas is alarming.

      The only thing legitimately alarming about MHRAs … were the Fire Alarms.

      • Sanguifer

        I could hardly have missed it if I actually quoted part of it.

        As far as I can see it, the only difference is that Mr. Thomas does not only disagree with the anticipated message, but also with the methods, and wants the event not to be hosted because of that.

        Just because M(H)RA events are inclusive does not mean all events have to be inclusive. And again, I want to know: What makes it a moral outrage to try to stop an event from happening based on the perceived or anticipated message, but a moral right to try to stop an event from happening based on the above and the target audience?

        “I may not attend it, therefore it should be unattendable for anyone?” Really? How is this a defensible principle at all? As disagreeable as the methods and the message are, it’s hypocritical to try to shut down an event because YOU think it’s alarming. Feminists think MRAs are “alarming”. You can claim “but THEY are WRONG!” all You like, that does not change the matter at hand.

        • OneHundredPercentCotton

          When was the last time you heard of a blatant “men only” event?

          Where or when?

          It’s ONE thing to try to shut down an event the entire public is welcomed with open arms and encouraged to attend because you don’t want them to have the right to speak.

          It’s an entirely different matter to protest a secret meeting that excludes an entire half of the population and has a verifiable written hate agenda toward that excluded group.

          Shutting down a public anti-gay/guns/religious/atheist/pot smoking/ or what ever have you just because you don’t like what they say IS an affront to Freedom of Speech.

          Protesting and attempting to shut down a secretive meeting plotting or conspiring (with verifiable naming names published sentiments) potential harm to innocent people?

          It’s freedom of speech to call attention to those enabling it.

          It’s why people protest the G8 conferences – they affect us all and have no business being secretive.

          Radfems are fully entitled to their freedom of speech – but not secretive and exclusionary speech that promotes public policy negatively impacting 1/2 the population, such as eugenics.

          It’s why “Whites Only” or “Men Only” are pretty much outlawed THANKS TO FEMINISTS – you can’t have your exclusionary cake and eat it too.

          • Sanguifer

            Last time I’ve seen a “Men only” event? I haven’t. But why is that even an argument? In my opinion, a “men only” event is not opposable, either. Neither is any other kind of exclusive event.

            From what I’ve gathered, radfemhub was also a secretive, exclusionary forum. It’s only fitting for them to adopt the same policy in real-life meetings. I don’t personally agree with that kind of mindset, but that doesn’t mean I think they should not be allowed to meet. Let their conduct speak for itself. Protest their methods and their message, by all means. But don’t try to shut the event down. That’s my opinion on it.

            Besides, it’s not like the meeting is actually secretive. It’s discriminatory to the max, but noone is stopping female MRAs from attending, recording, and exposing everything.

  • TigerMan

    Actually he did provide an explanation because immediately following where your quote end is this:
    “That way we could take notes and record video, and publish what was went on there so that everyone can see judge for themselves. I would suggest that it should be a matter of concern that the organizers of Radfem 2013 regard such openness as a threat. (In any case, issues of personal safety aside, I could not attend the Radfem conference — they exclude me because of my sex.)”
    Now it could be argued that Andy could have sent one or more female members but from what I know of MRALondon membership the female members are quite well known in London especially by feminists and could face a lot of hostility. Of course as Andy points out any male members would be excluded outright.
    Activist groups that want to meet in public yet want to exclude 50% of members of the public based only on their sex have no legitimacy as far as I am concerned and by “legitimacy” I don’t just mean legally but morally and ethically also.

    • Sanguifer

      That is not an explaination. Mr. Thomas states “I don’t actually believe we have any right to shut-down an event, such as Radfem 2013, simply because we disagree with certain views, even if such views are extreme.” He then says it’s a pity men are banned from attending the event, and I agree. But he does not even explicitly state that that is the basis for the protest.

      Let me rephrase:

      He states he does not think he has the right to shut the event down. He still proceeds, at least apparently, to try to shut it down.

      I suppose if Mr. Thomas was explicitly protesting the exclusion of male attendance, that would be a different matter. Yet that is not what I gathered from the article, and I can’t, upon re-reading, find any explicit mention of it. If that is actually the case, I apologize for the allegation, while simultanously asking for a clarification in the article, so that other people who might read it like I did are not led to false conclusions.

      Right now, the message I got is “We don’t have the right to censor You, but if the LIC would somehow decide not to host Your event, yes, that would be great.” And that would be a stance I could not agree with.

      • OneHundredPercentCotton

        He clearly said he does not think it’s right to shut down the meeting because he disagrees with the rhetoric – it’s because of the exclusionary and secretive nature of the meeting based on past statements of the group directly promoting hate and violence against men(Kill all men means just that) – not phony “perceived” or unverified claims which can be challenged to open, public debate.

        • Sanguifer

          That second part is not at all clear to me from the article. Just pointing that out. In any case, though, if the protest was regarding the secrecy, I’d really appretiate it if the article could state that clearly. If the protest’s purpose was not to enable a broader audience, but to shut down the event alltogether, I will not subscribe to that kind of thing. Regardless of what hte group directly promotes.

          • OneHundredPercentCotton

            I don’t think they offer subscriptions, but I personally don’t ascribe to censorship or free speech infringement either, unless it involves talk of eugenics, killing baby boys and eradicating males in general.

            Maybe they should contact KKK members and find out where the best places to hold conspiracy meetings at.

  • Roderick1268

    I was there. In the long run the Radfem’s have had a lot of influence over our lives. They were stopped last year because Agent Orange infiltrated them.
    These woman successfully promote that human males of every age group are not people.
    Many of these woman are well off, educated professionals who are extremely influential and respected.
    Personally I believe most of them are drunk on their own power, cruelty and immunity.
    And enjoy a total lack of any accountability within our society.
    Radfem were told “no” at Conway Hall last year because of MRA intervention.
    These horrible woman are not used to hearing no.
    We are going to film and record them, and we plan to do so whether it be this address or any other, in or out of London. Every city and town should be doing this. The London Irish Center is a community center and public space. We are educating the public what these people are by letting venues know what they are. Using their own words against them.
    Remember Feminists have been at this for a long time, and its well time we stood up to them.
    For the love and compassion of men&boys and the woman who love them.
    Rod mralondon.

  • malcolm

    On the day of their conference, these ultra secretive radfems will have to walk through the doors of the Centre.
    Surely it’s an event worth photographing.

  • DeclanLyons

    Isn’t boycotting a Radfem conference rape?

  • http://the-black-fedora.blogspot.co.uk/ The Black Fedora

    It looks as if we may have won. I received a call from a journalist from the Irish Sunday Times just a few hours ago. She told me that the London Irish Center have pulled out for ethical reasons and I had the strong impression she had spent some time discussing this with them.

    • Max Cade

      WOW this is very exciting. I am looking forward to this being confirmed 100%

  • http://the-black-fedora.blogspot.co.uk/ The Black Fedora

    On the subject of shutting down or not shutting down Radfem events.

    1. We are not denying even these bigots the right of free speech. All we are doing is getting legitimate groups to disassociate from them. Bigots will always be with us but they are harmless if ignored.

    2. The real issue is that these women are flying under a false flag. We have childcare workers who imply they would like to see little boys killed or hurt- and yet they remain respectable in government circles and live off the public purse.

    3. Ultimately we are presenting these women with a choice- do they, or do they not wish to be part of civilized life? If they wish to rage like drunken bag ladies they may one day find themselves on the street for real when decent people will not deal with them. This will be their choice and not ours.