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Feminism’s mythology of rape culture

I didn’t enjoy being stalked by my ex-boyfriend, and then having him break into my house, threaten to kill me and then assault me. I didn’t enjoy it at all. Sometimes I call that night, over ten years ago now, as “the day I became a feminist.” (I’ve since come to change my mind about that, though this issue was part of that, see Leaving the sisterhood for more.)

I was already a feminist. My Mum and her Mum were feminists. I was born into it. So I never really had to think too much until he stood over me, his hands round my neck, squeezing, telling me what a bitch I was. I never had to think what “being a woman” or “being a feminist” meant. I will give him that. He and his violence really got me thinking.

After my assault, and my lonely journey through the legal procedure that followed, I naively thought I might be able to share some sisterhood and solidarity with other women who’d suffered violent attacks, including domestic violence and rape. But when I have tried to connect with women who campaign on “violence against women,” I repeatedly get told that because I have not been raped, I have no right to talk on this issue or to try and empathize with women who have. Rape seems to hold a special symbolic position in the minds of these feminists and is treated as worse — but also somehow better — than all other violent crimes.

The term used to demonstrate the privileged position rape holds in feminist discourse is “rape culture.” According to Melissa McEwan:

Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can’t easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is.

Far more important than my own feeling of exclusion from feminist campaigns and groupings around gender violence is the countless number of other people who get attacked and killed in our society, who are not acknowledged by the concept of “rape culture.” Have you ever heard a feminist say that we live in transphobic assault culture? Or murder of young black men culture? Or homophobia culture? Or even domestic violence culture? I haven’t. Incidentally domestic violence is far more common than rape, and can also include rape. But it just doesn’t seem to impress the feminists who believe in rape culture. They are welcome to their victim top trumps, but I am not playing anymore.

When I say rape is privileged in feminist discourse, I don’t mean that it benefits anybody. I believe that by focusing on the centrality of rape in our culture, feminists are actually making it more difficult for all of us to campaign against all forms of gendered violence in society.

Trying to work out why these feminists do this is difficult. My instinct is that holding onto special victim status has some pay-offs for feminists. They can continue to present gender politics as a binary opposition between men (potential rapists) and women (perpetual potential victims of rape). Basically, the concept of rape culture is misandrist, and it does not allow for the fact that women are sometimes perpetrators of sexual assault, and men are sometimes on the receiving end.

I’d like to quote somebody who left a comment on a previous essay of mine about this topic. This woman is a survivor of rape, so the rad-fems won’t be able to dismiss her critique of rape culture the way they do mine:

This mythologizing of rape is still rooted in the whole “pedestal” complex, IMHO, and thus rapists are EVIL and women who get raped are spiritually/psychologically disfigured for LIFE and blah blah blah. The “rape culture” paradigm, while clearly meant as helpful critique and containing valuable cultural insight, seems to carry on that tradition.

The term “rapist” is one I am not comfortable with using at all, if I can help it. I know I am in a tiny minority, as I see the word splashed across the newspapers on a regular basis, and I hear it being used widely in conversations about rape. The reason I don’t like the word “rapist” is that I think it serves to undermine our attempts to tackle rape and sexual violence. This is because it pathologizes people who commit rape, portraying them in our culture as monsters and hate figures. This leads to a situation where we place rapists pretty near the top of a hierarchy of evil characters (maybe just behind pedophiles), so that in fact, it is actually very difficult to prosecute for rape. If rapists are these inhuman monstrous characters, it is not surprising that courts up and down the country are reluctant to convict the thousands of people (not men, people) who commit rape each year.

I have received criticism for my view, particularly from feminists who argue that survivors of sexual violence need the term rapist to enable them to name their attacker, proceed with seeking justice and ultimately to get over their ordeal. But I believe that just as we have changed our terminology from talking about victims to survivors of rape, we also need to change how we label perpetrators. When I hear the word “rapist” I think of a man, and not a man who is capable of change, of reflection. We have to speak about and talk to men who commit sexual assault as if they are able to change, and we also must acknowledge men are not the only perpetrators, if we want to reduce sexual and intimate partner violence in society.

Rape culture is a myth. I reject it outright.

In fact, it’s part of why I now am no longer a feminist.

Editor’s note: this is a slightly updated version of an article Dr. Tams had published elsewhere, before she decided to abandon feminism entirely. It has mysteriously disappeared from its original location. –DE

About Elly Tams

Dr Elly Tams is a freelance researcher and writer. Her debut novella Scribbling On Foucault’s Walls wonders what would have happened if Michel Foucault the homosexual French philosopher had in fact had a daughter. Elly is known online as Quiet Riot Girl, the controversial 'anti feminist' blogger ( @Notorious_QRG on Twitter). She also runs Graunwatch, a blog dedicated to analysing and criticising the Guardian newspaper, especially its feminist dogma.

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  • http://www.mralondon.org Andy Man

    Thank you for the article.

  • oldfart

    I’ve never seen a court that refused to convict a criminal.
    They will lie,manufacture evidence,disallow exculpatory evidence,obtain confessions by duress,but never refuse to convict.

    If they cannot convict a person-that person must have proved themselves innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.
    Note the reversal of responsibility as to guilt or innocence.
    Yeah,no, we live in a false raype hysteria culture because it pays so well.
    Lots of money for women’s gender studies graduates,lawyers,cops,judges,and professional politicians.

    So I do take exception with that line.
    Decon is %99 corn.

    • Stu

      Courts refuse to convict people of crimes all the time, even when there is ample evidence……those people are women though.

  • oldfart

    It’s really telling of how predatory the systems is,that they lowered the evidentiary standards
    of the most vulnerable population: college boys.

    These boys are caught up in close association and raging hormones,picking on them is like getting fish in a barrel.
    Few of them realize how compromised the system is,and will speak openly to officers w/o council.

    The 4th amendment protections have been compromised,as has been Miranda statutes,and now they’re going after the 5th amendment.

    The only way to obtain more is to convict upon accusation with no trial.

    We’re already far into that territory,I would like to think society would create a counterforce before justice is totally subverted.
    BTW: Decon is %99.85 corn, a correction there.
    You know what the %.15 of active ingredients does.
    The courts have far surpassed %.15- I would guess it’s close to %35.

  • Jay

    Can you clarify the following in your article please Elly?

    “If rapists are these inhuman monstrous characters, it is not surprising that courts up and down the country are reluctant to convict the thousands of people (not men, people) who commit rape each year.”

    I would think if rapists are these monstrous characters then we would definitely WANT to convict them. Or is what you are trying to say is, that once the court sees a person, and realises he/she is just a normal person and not a monster they are reluctant to convict for rape?

    I would think it depends on many factors. As we know now, rape has been expanded to mean even things such as a woman who is a little drunk having sex with a man and then regretting it, and then accusing the man of raping her OR a woman having sex with a man, then breaking up with him and then the man is charged with rape because he rubbed his penis on her during the relationship, since she is now hostile to the man.

    • http://www.quietgirlriot.wordpress.com Elly Tams

      hi Jay
      to be honest I first wrote that part of this article quite a while back, before I had shifted my perspective fully about feminism, and before I read more about how feminists can skew the stats on the conviction rate for men who are accused of rape.

      But overall I still think when we make monsters out of people we create ‘sub’human characters that seem to go beyond normal law and that we *want* to remain in fear and awe of. And I think the law accomodates/reinforces these ‘monsters’ in some ways.

  • TPH

    “This is because it pathologizes people who commit rape, portraying them in our culture as monsters and hate figures. This leads to a situation where we place rapists pretty near the top of a hierarchy of evil characters (maybe just behind pedophiles), so that in fact, it is actually very difficult to prosecute for rape.”

    I really disagree with her assertion with the difficulty in prosecuting men for rape. It has become almost a kangaroo court system in regards to rape. Men cannot challenge their accusers beyond a specific point (rape shield laws), nor can they use evidence of poor character and histories of deceit/lying as part of their defense.

    In fact, it’s all TOO easy to convict men of rape on the words of women alone, without forensic evidence. A simple case of post coital regret can and has been used to jail men, merely because the man was a participant.

  • Raven01

    Interesting article but, I do have a few issues with it.

    “I believe that by focusing on the centrality of rape in our culture, feminists are actually making it more difficult for all of us to campaign against all forms of gendered violence in society.”
    Where does gender or sex enter into violence at all?
    This is not clear. In war, in assaults and so on you could claim that men make up the majority of victims but, the cause would include other men(and men acting on behalf of women), women.
    The causes of violence are what should be address not so much the sexes of those involved. With the disclaimer that: Men have been sufficiently de-humanised as to make them the only palatable targets of violence in society and this must be stopped.

    “The reason I don’t like the word “rapist” is that I think it serves to undermine our attempts to tackle rape and sexual violence.”
    We absolutely should continue to use the term “rapist” and apply it without sexual prejudice. Including both male and female offenders.
    What needs to be discarded is the umbrella terms like “sexual assault”. Being elbowed in the breast in a crowded club is not remotely related to a sexual crime yet, can be prosecuted as such.
    Also, as a society “othering” of people that are essentially sexual-sociopaths re-enforces the reality that the vast majority of people are not like that. The current social climate is such that men are often viewed as potential stereotypical evil characters from some bad made for daytime TV movie. Men sense this and it does change how they act.

    “This leads to a situation where we place rapists pretty near the top of a hierarchy of evil characters (maybe just behind pedophiles), so that in fact, it is actually very difficult to prosecute for rape.”
    That one blows my mind. It is my experience that men face prosecution on the flimsiest of “evidence”.
    In fact, I know of one case where the accuser not only completely changed her account of what happened on the stand no less than 5 times but, did not revoke consent until her boyfriend found out. Not before the act, not during the act, not even right after the act but, days later when her boyfriend heard about her banging some guy at a party…… Then it became “rape” due to a post-coital revocation of enthusiastic consent. She got a conviction (with the minimum sentence allowed at the time) based on the fact that both parties had consumed alcohol and only men are responsible for themselves when inebriated.
    So, I must ask.
    Where is it difficult to prosecute for rape?

    • http://www.quietgirlriot.wordpress.com Elly Tams

      hi again I think I have changed my views since I wrote most of this piece, on ‘gendered violence’. I would say I think gender and sexuality still play a part in some acts of violence, but in very complex/contradictory ways. So that the way ‘gender studies’ talks of ‘gendered violence’ as a short hand for ‘men’s violence against women’ is misleading at best, and really full of misandry.

  • Robert St. Estephe

    Do female marxists ever — even once in their oh-so-oppressed lives — have a conversation that is not about the topic of sexual intercourse?

    • Bewildered

      LOL! I too have noticed this !

      They badly need sexual politics to perpetuate their victimhood.

      There’s no dearth of people to humour their obsession.

  • http://www.imnotamensrightsactivistbut.wordpress.com ImNotMraBut…

    Oh – I Hadn’t noted that the GMP page had vanished .. and being scrupulous I have been looking for copies to prove that this pages’ content is not a hoax. I’m nothing if not fair and detailed in assessing matters.

    So that page link back to GMP – the page lt’s not in the wayback machine because GMP blocked that mid 2011.

    I’ve been raiding stuff all over – every archive and source. Hmmm! (Strokes Chin) Either it never existed or someone has been very determined in wiping all traces off the face of the net!

    Google cache is empty which shows that the page got taken down some time ago.

    But there is one person proving that the page was there – the window when it got removed, on or prior to 12 December 2012… and also how some were very angry and making a fuss ,…and even doing a bit of inciting over the page and how it just had to go.

    It’s not clear what the fuss was about, but it does seem they wanted people to know that there was a buzz and that content had been driven off the net. It’s odd when you have people cleaning the house and making such a big song and dance about it!

    Most people clean in the spring – others use it when they use malice and connivance to remove people such as husbands with false accusations of Violence – and of course some Clean House and make sure web and net content vanishes or is suppressed so that everything looks just the way they want – like a 1950′s Stepford lady!

    I present you with a Nice WecCite Copy of the twitter feed of a well known Feminsit Blagger – Jill Filipovic

    http://www.webcitation.org/6DCW0jjfU

    “12 Dec 2012 @csl_110 @GoodMenProject Cached version to avoid giving them page views (or just google the article title): http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6Ml9-sTmy3MJ:goodmenproject.com/gender-sexuality/rape-culture-and-other-feminist-myths/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-aOr … just ”

    I do think the reference to not adding to page views is an interesting touch and one that does show a certain degree of antagonism from Jilly to others. ….but it’s still not clear why she would be referring to copies that were on GMP and not sending readers to other locations to read?

    So the page was still in The Google Webcahe in Dec12 2012.. but is now gone. WHY?

    She was telling folks to jump into the WebCache at Google on 12 December … and it seems that It even ties in with calls for GMP to be taken down as a website – taken over and for certain people to be kicked out and never allowed to write again.

    Jilly (GMP IS TO BE SHUT DOWN BY ANY MEANS) Fillipovic is nothing if not consistent in her focused and targeted antagonism – both against GMP, anyone who writes for GMP, anyone who questionably her conduct and antagonism … in fact anyone she takes a dislike to because her latte is not latte enough that day.

    Jilly F’s fixation upon the page and the google cache is not proof of page content – but there is a spooky correlation with Circumstantial Evidence, known events and those involved. Could it just be a Co-incidence?

    I wonder – is the missing GMP content caused by the ongoing patterns of cyber rabble rousing and abuse being traced back to certain Personages on line? … or does it show that the recent explosion of green Vitriol against GMP and others has far deeper and long standing roots … which raises issues of pre-meditation, malice a forethought and some planning to attack and rabble rouse?

    It could well be a simple piece of good management by GMP – removing a page which certain people have decided to utilise as yet another attack vector to clog up GMP, fatigue editors and mods and generally be a control freak through self entitled abuse of electronic media and opportunity mixed with motive and an olive on top.. and two onions as well!

    Shaken? Stirred? Pissed and drunk on power? How Jane Bland 001.5 can you get!

    I have been able to trace the Publication of the page and it’s announcement by GMP and here’s the twit feed 21 August 2012 – http://www.webcitation.org/6DCYUMwVm

    There is even a response published on GMP 29 Sept 2012 – http://www.webcitation.org/6DCYUMwVm – and the response has a link to the original URL to GMP embedded, showing that The page was real and on GMP.

    The twit feed for the response is also in the GMP history – http://www.webcitation.org/6DCZ7GbR8

    .. and then there is an oddity because the Response from Roll – Reboot is also missing from it’s original web page, but then has a new URL and that leads to this http://www.webcitation.org/6DCZKYqDt and 19 September.

    It’s all very odd – it’s clear that In early August GMP published a page – there was a response of Roll-reboot – in September it seems that both GMP and Roll-reboot found it necessary to either remove or alter content … and then as recently as December 12 Jill Filipovic is pointing people to copies in the Google cache … and she was evdently on her High Horse.

    Was there a typo the Jill didn’t like?

    Is that why she has such a bee in her small bonnet and has been watching and waiting for so long to do her Exorcist Routine?

    So many traces of what has been said have literally been obliterated from all search engines. That takes some doing with automated searches being needed and programs selecting links that go anywhere but where the hackers want …. to drive content away form people’s view.

    It’s exactly the same pattern that arises when you look for information about Rape Culture the Film.

    Is there a collective of feminist hacktivist operating somewhere, cos I keep seeing patterns, in both the co-ordination of focus and attack upon net content and also the ways real content is being suppressed – and it’s so Marxist and totalitarian as to be forensic.

    I do find the net so odd and revealing – and the most revealing thing is what some do in public and think that no-one notices or considers it suspicious!

    Them Blue Pills are worse than Mogadon, and it seems that one dose can last a life time, as well as induce side effects such as Unexpected Aggression and Psychosis. Them Drug Companies have so much to answer for.

  • Steve_85

    Rape has been defined (and re-defined) in such a broad way that *I don’t even care anymore when someone says they were raped.*

    It includes so many normal things as rape that the word has lost all meaning. It might not even be rape at the time that the ‘event’ occurs, but if she decides a month later that she isn’t interested in you anymore, it then becomes rape.

    My normal response when someone starts ranting about rape is to tune out, I honestly don’t care. Wolf has been cried so many times, for such stupid shit, that I’m not even sure if most people claiming rape even know what it is.

    * indicates easy quote mining opportunity.

  • Brodehouse

    I like the term ‘raper’ more than rapist. And not just as a Game of Thrones reference. Raper sounds like one who rapes, rapist more sounds like a philosophical distinction; the practice of rapism. Maybe that’s why they love it as a term, it fits into their rape culture structural model so well.

    I find the hysteria and the ‘rape is worse than assault’ stuff to fit in the general anti-sex, Victorian infantilized model that feminists cling to. Feminism has managed to demonize sex and sexual desire better than religion or conservatism ever could. There are sex positive feminists I can agree with, but just like equity feminists, they are being overran by their counterparts.

    But I suppose that will only result in more getting fed up and ‘jumping ship’ like Elly Tams.

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

    http://goodmenproject.com/gender-sexuality/rape-culture-and-other-feminist-myths/

    I have had some harsh words for Tom Matlack before. I have also defended him at times.

    Today, I only have this to say.

    Matlack, you are an intellectually dishonest coward and a fraud.

    I don’t care about the woman who sits as your CEO, or about the other puppet head you propped up as the sites “editor” this is your baby with your bucks in it, and you are standing by while your site tries to wipe its own history clean to placate a bunch of ideological thugs who will only tolerate “so much” defense of men.

    That is cowardice, straight up.

    I used to think you were a misguided man with strong convictions, but it turns out you are just a chickenshit consumer hack with no core values.

    You aren’t a good man by anyone’s definitions, save, perhaps, P.T. Barnum.

    • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

      C’mon Paul, tell us how you really feel. ;-)

      • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

        Hmm, my therapist said the same thing. :)

        • Steve_85

          Therapist or the-rapist? :D

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      I suppose I should have said more when I published this, I republished it with slight modification when I found out that Good Men Project had scrubbed it. They also scrubbed one of the articles Girl Writes What wrote for them back in the day, about how her own harrowing experienced with sexual assault led her to a place where she was stronger and, in her own view, better able to own her own shit and take accountability for making foolish choices. This caused many gender feminists (of the Amanda Marcotte variety) to rage-quit The Good Men Project. That was gone, this by Elly was gone, and others. I found it wholly inappropriate.

      Every time I think The Good Men Project may be taking a turn for a somewhat better direction, they go and do something like this.

      As Elly already explained above, she had different views when she wrote this, what, 2 years ago? No matter. It’s a decent piece, and vital to helping people realize how even self-proclaimed feminists are capable of recognizing what utter bullshit the gender-feminist idea of “rape culture” really is.

      There actually is a rape culture in this country by the way. It’s the one that laughs at prison rape jokes and denies or underplays the reality of women’s sexual assault of men and women’s molestation of children. I would call that a form of “gendered violence,” the type we aren’t supposed to notice exists.

  • The Real Peterman

    Thank you Dr. Tams. The idea of “rape culture” is, indeed, ridiculous. If feminists were honest, they would acknowledge that rape is almost never portrayed in anything but the most negative light in our society. It’s interesting to learn about the indifference of feminism to non-rape assaults against women. I would have thought they would jump at the chance to add another example of evil men to their canon. Their obsession with rape says a lot about them, I think.

  • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

    You make some good points even if I can’t say I agree with it in its entirety. I do have a question for you. What do you mean by “gendered violence?” Simply because a person of one gender commits a violence act against a person of another gender the violence is not necessarily gendered. My own definition would require that one gender would have to be identified as committing the vast majority of a specific kind of violence for that violence to be gendered and it would not matter which gender it is committed against. The other part of the definition would be identifying a type of violence committed the vast majority of which is committed against one particualr gender, regardless of which gender is committing the violence. Domestic or intimate partner violence would not be gendered violence according to my definition because men and women commit it at equal rates and both are victims at equal rates (although women are injured more frequently).

  • Skeptic

    Yes Elly,
    rape culture is a myth.
    I too don’t care for your using the term gendered violence for the same reasons TDOM expresses.

    I think the rabbit hole of feminists’ use of the term rape goes a bit deeper. The way they use it is utterly one dimensional as though it’s some sacrosanct holiest of crimes which is kind of ridiculous. That’s because I think of it this way – rape is basically the use of someone’s body against their will. Now when we strip it back to such basics we are free of feminist blinkers to see that many, many people get their bodies used against their will. Indeed whole generations of men have been shamed into being cannon fodder by sexist laws and customs such as the White feather campaign, and today masses of men are still under shaming pressure to ‘man up’ – in other words to be disposable appliances. Not as obvious and direct as a physical rape. Yet in a way more deadly as it’s conniving psychological manipulation which leaves no splashes of DNA, bruises or cuts directly and obviously linked to the crime, and leads to an earlier than necessary, and all too often painful death.
    Don’t even get me started on the millions of helpless male infants who get their penises mutilated against their will for ‘hygeine’ or because it ‘looks better’ without a foreskin, let alone the 28 million Sub-Saharan men Hillary Butcher Clinton wants to brainwash into being genitally sliced to save poooooor wimmin from AIDS. You know the kinds of foreskins for Oprah Winfrey’s anti-aging creme suppliers.
    Oh wait a moment.
    I just realized, we’re talking about male genitals being exploited!
    Just another in the myriad of ways in which feminists arrogantly overlook males’ experience in their rush to hate.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      I think there is such a thing as gendered violence; women who are specifically angry at men or a specific man and who enact violence because of it, and vice-versa. I also think that, though there are overlaps of course between the sexes, there are differences in how female violence expresses itself versus how male violence expresses itself. I found Erin Pizzey’s observations on that most insightful and to match much of my own experience in that regard.

      • Tawil

        Dead right Dean, there is such a thing as gendered violence. And while I agree the term is fraudulently used by feminists, anyone who denies it exists en masse against men is a fool and/or misandrist. Here is a convincing example of gendered violence for any doubters: http://www.humansecuritygateway.com/documents/CARPENTER_RecognizingGenderBasedViolenceAgainstCivilianMenBoysConflict.pdf

        • JGteMolder

          That’s not gendered violence.

          That’s violence targeting a gender, or even gender-based violence as the pdf calls it, but it isn’t gendered violence.

          Look below at my post about what “gendered violence” is and my views on it.

          • Tawil

            “That’s not gendered violence.”

            It is gendered violence.

            Gendered violence and gender-based violence are usually employed as one and the same. If someone uses them differently (other than you) I’d want to see the source to get the context.

            I certainly wouldn’t take feminist definitions as an accurate source free of spin… can understand you wanting to debate their definitions or insist that they “dont exist” in reality.

  • Eoghan

    They are correct about some aspects of what they call “rape culture” and mras make similar arguments, for example when they point out that there is a problem there when people automatically blame a woman’s abuse of a man, on his own behaviour. I’d say this “victim blaming” probably affects men more than it does women these days, in the west at least.

  • Feuillet

    I agree with Elly Tam’s idea here. The most typical defense of feminism nowadays is how feminist are supposingly trying to prevent discrimination of gender (such as rape). Whether this is true or not I am skeptical, since we see sexist feminist jumping around and no “moderate” feminist draw distance from these. Yet even if we assume feminism are pro-equality, one must ask whether they are capable of doing so in the first place. As we can see a lot of violence such as rape, are not only done with the intention of sexism, but also under different contexts of economical, political reasons. Yet when ever feminist try to “prevent” such crime, all they are doing is using their simplistic linguistic framework to make all these complex things seems like fairy tale of evil man vs good woman under the evil culture that every man are programmed to rape, then try to do the using man shaming.

    How will this view actually stop rape? Are there any practical outcome when all they are doing are rephrasing what has happened in the world in a retarded language? I don’t think they know (or care). Since all they want is to make people believe there is a “feminist” problem, and feminist like them, who see such problem through a feminist language, are the only one that can solve it. As long as people keep treating them as a solution of the complex problem. Feminist will continue to have power in academic.

  • Booyah

    I really think that the reason feminists cling so tenaciously to rape culture is due to, by their own ludicrous legal definition, it’s the one thing that they can claim that only men are guilty of. Note that in most countries a female sexually assaulting a male with traditional intercourse is defined as “other sexual offences” not “rape”. In an age where most other feminist mythologies are falling to pieces under the cold light of reality, this one holds true but only by their very biased definition. It’s also the one I’d expect them to get most hysterical about if any measure of true equality was applied to it. IE changing it so that PIV forced on a male is rape. I would expect that would upset the sisterhood more than anything else because under the current legal definition its holding up better than their other fallacies even if nowhere near the ridiculous concocted statistics they throw into it.

    In an organisation dedicated to destroying men this is the gold mine.

    The other sad reality as pointed out by other posters, whereas in the old days I would automatically feel very sympathetic to a rape victim, now with ridiculously new definitions of rape I honestly never know whether to feel guilty for the person raped or the alleged offender. I mean if the rape is due to her changing her mind days after giving and maintaining consent throughout intercouse, then I very much have sympathy for the alleged offender not the victim. He will most likely be raped in a very real way. She was never raped. Legitimate rape victims should be outraged at these ludicrous definitions. Does it not offend them that the suffering they’ve had to endure has been trivialized so heavily by these sorts of predatory women being given the same label? If I was a legitimate victim I’d be outraged I think.

  • keyster

    FYI – In the hard-scrabble society of prison justice/heirarchy pedophiles are the absolute lowest, then Rapists (of women), then snitches.

    Murderers actually have quite a bit of “convict cred” going in, whereas Rapists must be kept segregated.

    In Rape Culture, rape of a woman is worse than murder of a man. Rape Culture is so engrained that we don’t even know its there, kinda like Patriarchal Oppression. That’s the idea. It’s so mysterious and elusive that they can’t even properly explain it themselves. But the sisterhood clings to their Faith none the less.

  • JGteMolder

    Agreeing with the other points above already, so time to make another observation:

    “I believe that by focusing on the centrality of rape in our culture, feminists are actually making it more difficult for all of us to campaign against all forms of gendered violence in society.”

    There is no such thing as “gendered violence”. Even violence predominantly perpetrated by one gender, is not “gendered violence”. “Gendered violence” means that the violence is not only uniquely committed by one gender (of which violence using proxy agents seems to be about the only one in existence, and women are the perpetrators of that) but that the violence is an inherent part of the normal interactions of that gender, and inherently directed at the other gender.

    There is no such thing.

    There isn’t even speciest violence; violence is an inherent part of all fauna, it’s a consequence of a survival of the fittest evolution, ruthless, merciless, indifferent nature of the universe.

    There is only violence; it’s a problem for all of us, we all have the ability to do violence inside of us. The problem is how and where individual’s morals and ethics fail to live up to our society’s morals and ethics, why this is so, and how to diminish the times this happens, and how to deal with the people with with this happens.

  • thefeministmra

    Ah Rape culture, where a Modern Western Civilization enables rape through the use of Rape schools, and Rape tests, and Rape teachers, and law requiring people Rape each other, where our fellow citizens talk about who they Raped over the weekend and internet forums with ‘.gov’ are used to discuss different ways people can Rape each other, you can purchase the board game ‘Rape; fun for the whole family’ and every sports event is followed with a spirited round of crowd Raping…

    Wait… rape is a crime? Pretty tough to build a culture around a criminal act don’t you think?

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    The interesting thing about the gender-feminist idea of “rape culture” is that, much like The Patriarchy, it is not only potentially descriptive of anything you want, but also apparently impossible to eradicate. Since rape of women by men (which is the only type that really seems to matter, women can only do it rarely and with great difficulty by their definition since it requires “penetration” by their thinking) is the only kind that really truly happens much (bullshit, but that’s another topic), as long as it ever happens then it’s always going to be there and thus until there’s no penis left in the world it there will still be “rape culture.” It’s not only unprovable, it’s ineradicable. Thus a perpetual problem for eternity, no matter what happens or what we do.

    • cvar

      I’ve noticed that if you really stop to consider how rape is handled in America and then apply that knowledge to the concept of rape culture, you get a wildly different image.

      Men, not women, would be the victims. Men are the ones who can’t get help, they’re the ones who are told that they wanted it, deserved it, should be grateful it happened. They’re the ones mocked, ridiculed and treated as less than for being a victim. It’s so bad that many victims will only speak up while anonymous. Feminism enforces this with it’s mantra of Man Bad, Woman Good.

      It makes me wonder if all the feminist screeching about rape culture is a bluff designed to hide this.

    • keyster

      Yes Dean, that’s the point, to keep Feminist Inc. in business by spinning narratives that can’t possibly be refuted or even analyzed. It just IS, and therefore action against IT must be taken.

      It’s like “Gun Culture” is the problem.
      OK – now what?

  • Free Human Being

    I found this article very interesting, as I like to hear different points of view from differing perspectives.

    I certainly appreciate where she is coming from and the fact that she has left feminism is a beacon for those on the verge.

  • http://www.judgybitch.com JudgyBitch

    I think rape culture goes hand in hand with slut culture. It isn’t about rape as a criminal act at all. It’s about women acting like whores and then being unable to process that designation and looking for someone to blame.

    Guess who they blame?

    There are no mirrors in Rape Culture Land.

    You weren’t raped. You’re a whore…

    http://judgybitch.com/2012/10/22/54/

  • Tawil

    Lol, how fitting is the above artwork showing the rape of Europa by “Bull”.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      Good catch, I was wondering if anyone would notice that the painting is “The Rape of Europa,” and the bull, by the way, is the god Zeus who took that form when he raped her.

      Interestingly enough, the original word for “rape” meant “abduction” or “kidnapping,” as in taking someone against their will. That’s what they meant when they said Zeus “raped” her: he kidnapped her. Then they wound up having sex.

      Modern definitions have mutated that into “penetrating against the other person’s will,” which also, conveniently, renders all other forms of sexual violation to “something else,” maybe something funny, at least if it happens to a post-pubescent male. That’s how the modern law in the US, which according to some is now “more inclusive,” actually marginalizes men and manufactures more female victims; the only way a woman can “rape” is by using a dildo or other object, under the law. Anything else, including straddling a young man who has an erection while drunk unconscious, is of no significance under the law that I can tell. Now that’s “rape culture” for you, just not the one they want us to recognize. Because it would force us to think hard about an emotional subject.

  • Hyperanthropos

    “Rape culture” is a fake culture; feminism is a hate culture.

  • Don Satan

    I think rape culture is central to feminism because it is related with the source of feminist power: reproductive control of women over men.

    • Skeptic

      Yes Don,
      which is why they’re going to get their world turned upside down when the male birth control pill arrives.

  • Kris W

    The problem most aren’t getting is that America does indeed have a Rape Culture problem. America loves it when men, young men and little boy’s are raped!

    -
    Rhetoric aside, we need to hijack this meme. Take every words a smug conservative or liberal POS said about hoping men get raped in jail, every word some white knight monster said about little boy’s being lucky for being raped by older women, and put a magnifying glass to it all.

    We have to make America’s Churches, Universities, Newspapers choke on their own indifference, and in that order.

    What I mean is, we must target Churches that support the raping of men in prison via indifference and support of politicians, Judges, Prison Wardens that enable such a climate of rape in prisons. In reality, the Churches are the most sensitive vein of American political power to us. Heck it is obvious they pay attention to our websites and to all facets of male online culture(they try to manipulate it all to their benefit). In reality, the Churches can be easily shamed into offering physical support. The main problems the MRM has atm is the lack of physical infrastructure. The main problems of all the Churches and Synagogues, from Christianity to Judaism is the lack of male involvement. This vantage point is the one that offers us the most immediate access to strength.

  • Copyleft

    I notice that the definition includes the term itself–”Rape culture is a culture that conceal the existence of rape culture so much that people don’t even know it’s a rape culture.”

    How is this different from a conspiracy theory?

  • http://www.paulmurray.id.au Paul Murray

    “Basically, the concept of rape culture is misandrist, and it does not allow for the fact that women are sometimes perpetrators of sexual assault, and men are sometimes on the receiving end.”

    This misses the point. It isn’t that men, sometimes, are on the receiving end. It’s that men – overwhelmingly – are not rapists.