Attention. Critical elements of this story, including the identity of the story’s subject have been redacted and retracted.
At the time I am writing this a scandal is erupting across the internet involving prestigious Georgetown University and tied to one of their former employees, [redacted], a Georgetown grad student who says she was hired to read and process applications for admissions to the school.
She claims she had a very interesting system for screening applicants. The applications from white males were trashed, regardless of qualifications.
And now it appears that Georgetown University may be trying to cover it up.
The background of this story is pretty disturbing. [redacted], who clearly has issues with sexual and racial bigotry, decided she would not only trash the applications of white males on sight, she also decided to blog about her activities under what she assumed was anonymous conditions. Writing for a web blog called The Feminist Conservative, [redacted] laid out precisely what she was doing in very clear terms:
…I can’t tell you how many applications I saw that were just dripping with white male privelege[sic]. Any of those that I saw basically went straight to the garbage can regardless of how good their qualifactions [sic] were. If I saw an application from a white male that basically was just good test scores, and activities like chess club or math club or what not then it shows me this person is not interested in a diverse environment. Obviously he made no effort in integrating with minorities or to sympathize with them and is counting on male privilege to get in. So that kind of application should get ignored. In their place I admitted a female student. This goes double especially for math/science majors.
Apparently the prejudicial screening criteria she employed were not limited to just white males who played chess and were interested in mathematics. She also targeted a man of Arab descent because of his stand on Israel.
Another time this I had an application for what sounded like an arab male who wanted to study computer science. On paper he looked good enough, decent above average scores, and such. But I checked facebook and sure enough on his wall I came came [sic] upon a particularly hateful post about Israel supposedly not having a right to exist. I promptly trashed the application and sent out a rejection letter.
She followed these statements with another; a bizarrely contradictory explanation for her actions. First, she says:
We can’t boil people down to numbers or statistics, or reject people based on the color of their skin.
But then she follows that statement immediately with this:
I’m happy to say that I approved nearly 90% of all female minority and 80% of all (white female applicants especially if the girls want to study math or science) while rejecting over 50% of white males this week and hope this trend holds out.
Clearly this is a person not only warped by ideology, but who also holds deep seated prejudices that guided her unscrupulous actions. Her targets were selected by sex, race, political beliefs and perhaps even religion. Her identity was traced after she referenced the subject of her master’s thesis at Georgetown in some of her writing, including the “about” page at the Feminist Conservative.
Here are three of the main documents that led to her being identified.
Thesis defense is TODAY! feministconservative
My first week of work — feministconservative
It is unknown precisely how many qualified applicants were sabotaged by this woman, and it may be difficult to find out as it now appears almost certain that individuals at Georgetown, perhaps even university officials, are purging their online records of that thesis, and her identity, in order to protect the interest of the school against what will almost certainly result in a massive amount of litigation.
AVFM has obtained copies, a before and after record of Georgetown’s list of master’s theses from 2012. If you had examined their website before this scandal broke, you would have found [redacted]name on the list with a link to her thesis. You can download the previous version of the page
[redacted]
However now, if you go to the page you will find no trace of her name, and naturally no link to her thesis.
[redacted]
We have a copy of that thesis available for download.
[redacted]
There has been much in the news lately, particularly in Canada at the University of Toronto, about the illegal, even violent actions of feminist ideologues in the university setting. Events intended to address issues concerning men and boys have been met with virulent hostility.
It appears that [redacted] plan was even simpler. Just rid the school of males, particularly white ones, to begin with. And as we see this blow up into a full-fledged scandal and embarrassment to Georgetown University, it appears that a person or persons at the school are going to compound those problems with a cover-up.
One would assume that they will be depending on a complete denial from [redacted], who is now reportedly in [redacted]. Without any evidence tying that blog to [redacted] identity, namely the reference to her thesis, it may make it more difficult for plaintiffs to prove their case against the school.
If this proves to have university officials behind it, it would be a very, very bad move.
AVFM will update readers regularly as information becomes available.
ADDENDUM – [redacted]
We really need to get used to the new feminist ways of doing things. The world is more Phythonesque these days. We need to recognize that feminists are:
‘cruel; but fair’.
This doesn’t surprise me at all, and I’m sure we have just caught out one of many. In fact, her attitudes are beoming normal in many corridors of power and influence.
Let me spell it out for everyone that doesn’t understand what PC culture dictates.
Being non-racist = Hating on whitey.
Being non-sexist = Hating on men
Being religiously tolerant = Hating on all religions deemed to be white male dominated or inspiried.
Being multi culti = Eliminating white males
Being gay friendly = Hating straights
Equality = Depriving men of everything good, and giving them triple helpings of everything bad.
Justice = Anything that hurts men, and advantages women. This goes double for white men.
We are now, as a society, in a race to see who can outdo the others as the biggest haters of men, and particulary white men. In order to stand out as in this crowd, you must up and ante to new levels of bigoted hatred….opps, I meant enlightenment and diversity, by outhating the other haters. As that beomes the norm, again, you must increase your level of manginarism, and anti-white bigitry. Where does this lead…….utopia of course….where else.
Please note the addendum to the post. NCFM has joined in the activism.
If Georgetown really is participating in active discrimination, I find that really disheartening. Georgetown is a Jesuit university, and I’ve always admired the Jesuit approach to education.
Georgetown as an institution is about as “Jesuit” as the Marriott hotel chain as an institution is Mormon.
Thanks so much, Paul. I am so proud to know you are on top of this.
From the blog feministconservative
First an article titled:
Men are responsible for the world’s wars
and then two postings later *she* (yes she’s female, and thus inherently good and pure and not a warmonger) writes:
BOMB, BOMB BOMB IRAN!
Hypocrisy much? If this doesn’t starkly illustrate the concept of plausible deniability inherent in women’s power I don’t know what will.
LISTEN UP
I (a white male) registered for this site today because I know who Arianna is and this is 100% not her. I graduated Georgetown undergrad with her this past year and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that you have the wrong person. I’m not defending whoever wrote that feministconservative blog, you can go ahead and take her down, but don’t slander a person and a school that had nothing to do with this.
Paul, there are a few discrepancies I noticed with your analysis that I’d like to point out:
1) The feministconservative blogger makes note on May 26, 2012 that she just passed her PhD thesis defense after three years of working on it. (https://feministconservative.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/i-passed/)
Ari is a 2012 graduate of the Georgetown undergrad program. It is literally not possible that she could have finished a PhD doctorate the same year she graduated with an undergraduate degree.
2) In the same post from May 26, the feministconservative blogger notes after she passed her thesis defense that she saw her “advisor emerge from the conference room, with HER beautiful, intelligent face beaming with pride.” The advisor is clearly a woman.
In Ari’s thesis, which you provided from Georgetown’s website, Ari mentions a MALE advisor in the Acknowledgments. The first sentence reads, “I would like to thank my thesis advisor, Dr. Andrew Wackerfuss, for the incredible amount of support and guidance throughout this entire process.”
3) In the blogger’s post dated May 25, 2012, she mentions that her doctorate thesis is about 120 pages. (https://feministconservative.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/thesis-defense-is-today/)
Ari’s senior thesis, which you provided, is far short of that at 95 pages.
4) If you read the content and style of Ari’s thesis versus the ramblings of the feministconservative blogger, you can tell that they are different in many ways. Granted, the thesis topics are similar, but that does not mean there is an actual link between feministconservative’s thesis and Ari’s thesis. Ari’s seems to just be the most comparable thesis you can find online when plugging in those words.
These are just a few dissimilarities I noticed in comparing feministconservative’s blog and Arianna’s work. I don’t know Ari that well personally, but the facts speak for themselves and it’s actually impossible that she was behind this blog. If your link to Georgetown was solely through naming Ari as the writer of the blog, then I think you made an erroneous assumption there too.
Hi White dude,
Arianna references two advisers, one of which is female.
Why did GU remove her name and thesis from their website after attention was called to this story online?
A thesis is almost certainly bound to be written in a different style than blogging. I should know, I have done both.
Thank you, white dude, in advance, for your answers.
Paul
Arianna references one actual thesis advisor, who is Dr. Andrew Wackerfuss. Dr. Andrea Wisler is the director of her undergraduate program, which is not the same as her thesis advisor.
If you want further proof of differences in blogging style, you can compare feministconservative’s blog to Ari’s actual blog from Madagascar. They’re very different in style and grammar.
You still didn’t address my other points about her not being a doctorate PhD student and her thesis being 95 pages instead of 120 pages. To give further proof of my first point, the last paragraph of Ari’s Acknowledgments clearly indicates that she was in her senior year at Georgetown when she wrote her thesis.
In other words, Arianna, you left a couple of lies on your blogs to try cover your tracks. However, Arianna the non-Dr., you still were too vain for your own good.
The similarities between the blog and thesis are so numerous and the details so unbelievably unique. YOU haven’t answered for that. My only suspicion was whether your blog was a trolling attempt, but you’ve now quelled that now haven’t you?
BTW, Arianna, a white male would never introduce himself as a white male. There is no secret Patriarchy cabal or stealth male hegemony, sweetheart.
Minor variations are all you have presented. I assume since she was obviously attempting to remain anonymous, that the idea of some red herrings are not out of the question.
Something else is missing here that would have been the first thing I would have read in a credible rebuttal.
It would have gone something like this:
“Arianna never worked screening admissions.”
Seems kind of an obvious rebuttal does it not?
And speaking of not addressing points, you have not addressed any of mine. Why did GU remove her information, and only her information, almost immediately after this story broke on reddit?
First of all, the fact that she’s not a PhD student is a major variation. Her thesis is also not even close to the same length as feministblogger says hers is.
I can’t speak authoritatively about her not screening admissions, although it stands to reason that she was never in a position to do so since she is not a graduate student.
I also can’t speak for GU removing her information. I imagine they’re going through damage control until they can figure out how to handle this situation. It’s almost 2am.
That you’ve never heard a lawyer call themselves a lawyer vs. an attorney is pretty lazy logic, even regional differences in speech account for basic terminology differences like that outside of formal legal correspondence, but hey, we can hand wave that.
The problem here has nothing to do with personal vendettas, the problem here has to do with the fact that the post Paul made asserts as fact that Arianna is feministconservative, and we can all here agree that being that blogger is a negative thing, one that could aversely impact one’s employment, one’s social relationships, and one’s financial dealings.
If Pattek did file a defamation claim, the burden would be on Paul then to prove that his statements either were not actually false, OR that Pattek qualifies as a public figure and his statements were made without actual malice.
It’s important to note, which is why I keep hammering on this point, that the actual malice standard does not refer to whether or not a vendetta is held, or whether there is a specific intent to cause harm. The actual malice standard is only that either he KNEW the statements to be false when he published them, OR he acted with reckless disregard for whether or not they were true.
But Arianna Pattek is not a public figure, so the actual malice standard does not apply. A quest for truth does not present a thing which is possible as a statement of fact.
I’ve had many dealings with attorneys in various parts of the country and have made the mistake of thinking “lawyer” and attorney” were interchangeable.
In my many, many internet dealings with various people from all over the country, I have come to “out” people making false claims by referring to themselves “lawyers” with regularity.
But again, that’s neither here nor there.
It’s always been my understanding that the burden of proof is on the person bringing the accusation. I will research that, you can be sure. There is a person or two out in this world I OWE a lawsuit to, if indeed THEY have to be called in to prove their story.
There’s no reason to believe that everything written by an anonymous blogger is the truth. Under perceived anonymity there is a temptation to embellish certain details to make oneself sound more impressive. One may also deliberately change their writing style or adjust some details of their life to minimize the chance of the blog being linked to their real person. I should know because I do this myself; for example I’ll say that something which actually happened to me in 2005 happened in 2003 just to throw off anyone who might be trying to dox me.
Yes, I realize that the above also applies to the bragging about arbitrarily rejecting white men. I would be seriously considering the idea that she just made up that whole post to impress her feminist friends if it weren’t for the fact that GU hastily deleted references to her from their site. GU’s actions make me very confident that they did, in fact, hire Arianna and give her that kind of authority.
If there’s no fire, then why all the smoke?
Oh, and white dude, your school was not slandered (though you are actually thinking of libel). I stated in the article that her information had been removed from the GU list of theses at the same time this story started getting attention on the internet.
And I gave documented proof that happened.
Libel cannot exist if the information is true. And it cannot exist without malice. There is none here, just some very warranted concern over the posts cited in the article.
Doesn’t that concern you?
Wow, you actually deleted my comment instead of replying to it. That is… bravo. Just, bravo.
Actually, no I did not. Your comment was caught in the spam filter. I just released it. Excuse me. You were asking about jumping to conclusions?
I’m sorry, but I still don’t see the comment I posted earlier outlining the actionable defamation claim that Arianna Pattek would have against you if these claims turn out to be false.
Because she is not a public figure, her defamation claims are not subject to the “actual malice” standard set in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.
Additionally, even if she were a public figure, due to the significant discrepancies between who she is and who the blog describes, a jury (or a judge issuing summary judgement) would be very likely to find that you made these statements about her with “reckless disregard for whether or not they were true”, that is, the legal fiction of a reasonable person would have been expected to believe they were false.
Admittedly, it seems unlikely that she would pursue a defamation claim against you–it is hard to serve suit from far abroad, especially if you have as little monetary resource as Peace Corp volunteers do–but if she did file a claim it seems likely based on the evidence you’ve provided to support your claim that you would lose in court.
@lamandant -” Admittedly, it seems unlikely that she would pursue a defamation claim against you–it is hard to serve suit from far abroad, especially if you have as little monetary resource as Peace Corp volunteers do”
I’m thinking even the most poverty ridden persons from Boca Raton that are smart enough to get into Georgetown University have heard the term “Contingency fee” and “statute of limitation”.
@OHCP There are extraordinarily few lawyers who are willing to work a defamation suit on contingency, even one that is ostensibly open-and-shut. Just a shot in the dark, you’re not a lawyer, are you?
Possibly more importantly, it is logistically difficult to coordinate with legal counsel from abroad. I wouldn’t expect her to be filing any suits anytime soon, which is unfortunate because more people seem to need a lesson in what constitutes actionable defamation in the United States.
I’m not a “lawyer” and presume you aren’t either, since I’ve never heard one refer to itself as anything but “attorney”, but that’s neither here nor there.
She has seven years to air her grief, so that point is invalid as well.
This isn’t a personal vendetta against this young lady – it’s a search for truth and justice for possible victims of discrimination.
Lol, white dude you went over and above the call of duty with your forensic analysis of possible errors. To what does Arianna owe your hyperactivity on her behalf?
Of course the disrepancies might be due to the dishonesty Ari has aleardy shown in her intake bias…. perhaps she was equally a bit loose with the details of her education in the online forum?
Great show, BTW… Oh, and thank God you are white and male, we white supremacists would not tolerate a non-white or a female speaking here, as you seem to have intuitively figured out. [NB. satire]
Frankly, because she’s a genuinely nice girl who doesn’t deserve this, and I don’t want to see my school slandered for something it had nothing to do with.
Yeah, you already tried that one. What else ya got?
This is real life, not a movie. Bad people do not go around dressed in black and use creepy background music so that you can tell that they are the bad-guy. Many bad people hide behind a persona of being a good person, and are attracted to fields that allow them to portray themselves as such (especially where they can get publicity).
People who defend someone based on their perception of them (rather than the evidence) usually end up feeling betrayed when the truth comes out – try asking friends of Jimmy Saville.
“I don’t know Ari that well personally”
You just know her well enough to go to the trouble of signing up today to vouch 100% this isn’t her?
OHPC cites the vouch for the ouch!
If Ari is not the guilty party, so to speak, then let Georgetown U take responsibility, release a full public apology for their sexist/bigoted admission policy, and out the person who was responsible.
Hello, GU?? Anyone there??
(BTW Ari’s Madagascar blog is locked private now. Gee I wonder why that happened..)
LISTEN UP
I (a white male) …
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah a……..
What do you think we are …… ??
You stupid moron.
Is he claiming white privilege in order to white knight?
I don’t care whether he’s white, or not. I don’t care if he’s a man, or not. (although those two do seem to correlate well with being a white knight (a sucker)). I only care if he’s telling the truth, I’m far from convinced so far. I strongly doubt that I’m alone in all those attitudes here.
It looks like a damage control exercise to me. If she is identified as the blogger in question, then we get to ask about her employment records…we get closer to establishing whether she’s blogging what she really did. Bad for her, bad for the incompetent and potentially financially liable uni. Denying the identity is the first step in protecting those who let a hate filled gender idealogue play with the lives of men.
For too long these people have been allowed to play their hate games without consequence for them, that needs to change.
That is changing.
Well done to all those behind the scenes at AVfM for exposing and highlighting this cover-up and also those recent judicial debacles around the states. This is activism at its best. The MHRM is now way past just talking to each other on the www, it’s activism starting to show results. People are noticing.
(In my corner of the world I ve been working on equitable immunization for school boys to get the HPV vaccine pubicly funded as it has been for the past 5 years for girls. I m using the feminist tactic of government shaming to get attention. It appears it s going to work)
It is absolutely disgusting and shocking that the vaccine was funded for girls and not boys. What is your corner of the world? How did we ever let them get away with this type of shit? Links please?
You’re right, OneHundredPercentCotton, I’m not close friends with her but I do know her well enough to know that this wasn’t her. I also signed up because I don’t want to see my school slandered.
…oh. And this was just last year….
Nobody can be slandered in writing. They can be defamed or libeled, but not slandered. I would expect a recent university graduate to know this.
That should give you an indication about the present educational standards !
LOL!
“Nobody can be slandered in writing. They can be defamed or libeled, but not slandered. I would expect a recent university graduate to know this.”
Frankly, I wouldn’t. The standards are not what they used to be.
Unless he was a law school graduate, I wouldn’t expect him to know that. Parsing torts is not really the bailiwick of liberal arts undergrads.
I’m an engineering grad which is even further removed from law than liberal arts. I was still taught some basic legal terminology, mainly for the purpose of avoiding having lawsuits filed against me or an employer. I was also taught not to use words on whose meanings I’m unclear before looking them up in the dictionary.
I was a poli sci undergrad – never learned the difference between slander and libel (both of which are defamatory) until law school. I did, however, learn to look up words that I’m unsure of before I use them so I agree with you there.
Hey, caucasian broseph, what’s your story about how you found out that a ‘girl’ you’re not friends with is being ‘slandered’ somewhere on the internet?
that’s a mighty fine question that you pose there
Cheers, Indo-European homo sapien gentleman. I don’t think you should worry. If you’re right, what could possibly happen to the girl you barely know or to the school you no longer attend?
mwahahaha
Clear example of FEMINAZI
You can never have a stealth feminazi . The stink that emanates from them due to the ‘putrefaction’ of the hate they have for men is so strong that it’s virtually impossible to mask.
http://madagascari.wordpress.com is now set to private. It was publicly viewable just a few hours ago. If Arianna is innocent she sure has a funny way of showing it.
A question to all of you –
We know that deep misandry exists in the system. Do you thik that there will ever come a time when it is officially accepted that severe wrongs were done due to misandry, and compensation given?
Ouuff….. AVfM and it’s readers ask too many logical questions. It’s not fair to fairer sex.
Look what people did to that (white dude) above. It’s too unfair (I’m crying.. 🙁 ) Why people here can’t wait even 2 mins before asking question. (crying some more …. 🙁 )
And your ans-ware is not likely, but we have to make sure that someday it would happen.
“Do you thik that there will ever come a time when it is officially accepted that severe wrongs were done due to misandry, and compensation given?”
No, I don’t see that happening. Even if the worst examples were facing judicial consequences, we’ll very likely see something along the lines of the Nuremberg trials, were everyone tries to pin it on everyone else but themselves.
Especially with the followers of this ideology, who continously tries to avoid the concepts of personal responsibility and accountability.
A large part of the problem here, just as it happened in Germany back then, are the natural outcome of herd-thinking, where everyone mindlessly follows in the footsteps of the group, afraid to question any specific behavior or ideas, because they might be targeted next.
Which they of course will anyway, because the system doesn’t work without someone being ‘The Enemy’. The Agent Orange files also clearly showed, that the RadFems had no problem with the extermination of a large part of the female demographic, too.
It’s basically the behavioral dynamics of a bunch of 4th grade schoolgirls, carried into adult life.
We’ll be hearing a lot of equivalents to: ‘I just acted under orders’ and a lot of crying are my best guesses, if indeed someone eventually were to be held accountable.
And if the juries consists of a group of men, not directly affected by all this, they’ll walk out of the courtroom with a smirk on their lips.
No, I don’t see that happening. Even if the worst examples were facing judicial consequences, we’ll very likely see something along the lines of the Nuremberg trials, were everyone tries to pin it on everyone else but themselves.
I would have to imagine too that the logistics of such legal proceedings would be too overwhelming to be practical. There would be so many potential defendants and so much evidence to present, in so many venues, with so many victims to be compensated, that it would take at least 500 years even for the most generic class action lawsuit to be settled.
In short, it would just be “too goddamned much trouble.”
Collectively? No. Protecting the vulnerable, and the perception that females are vulnerable, are too deeply embedded in our DNA to ever be completely overcome, even by logic.
I think that the most we can hope for is to show that many, even most, of the INDIVIDUALS (female and male) whose policies have created our current situation, are corrupt. We as a society have the capacity to condemn individuals and to reverse some of the damage they cause, but psychologically we can’t afford to admit that males (as a class) are vulnerable enough to have become victims of oppression.
To answer your question in a word, no. But then again, I’ve always been a cynical pessimist.
Is anyone hitting their twitter or facebook accounts with this stuff?
http://www.georgetown.edu/connect-with-us/index.html
a few well placed questions in social media can bring a lot of exposure to this bigotry – and their apparent endoresement (by silence) of it.
Yep and all the high schools as well.
just read ‘you have the wrong girl’ posts… is it possible its a set up?
I guess not because there are mulitple posts on her blog over an extended period.. it would be a bit of an elaborate counter-propaganda exercise to post 4-5 relatively benign articles over the course of several months just so you can post one bigotted one to get attention and paint Feminismn in a bad light.
So if its not a planted article, then we can accept that the content was posted sincerely: then the only question is whether the author is the identified woman in question, or someone with the same name or similar profile or someone posting under some kind of nom-de-blog.
Does “Youve got the wrong girl” has any ideas about who else could be setting up his friend in this way?
Something doesnt smell right: the stench is either the bigotted author, or someone up to no good in other ways.
Both the writer of the “thesis” and the blog share a strong pro Israel stand that borders on the fanatic.
GU HAS disappeared all traces of this particular student, which is GU’s deal, not hers, but…then HER Madagascar blogs actually disappeared itself late last night.
Not concrete evidence, but shaping up to being suspicious enough.
It will be interesting to see if Anonymous would be as interested in this case as it was in the Stuebenville or Adria Richardson case.
If true – this is gonna be huge.
They have taken down the ACTUAL Thesis paper from their University as well…I mean the actual paper that was turned in.
…and is counting on male privilege to get in. So that kind of application should get ignored. In their place I admitted a female student. This goes double especially for math/science majors.”
—More proof that their feelings will overcome them. Reality will matter not, but will their emotions. They will indeed confuse the two, let it override rationality and true fairness and compel them to cheat, lie, steal, humiliate, oppress, censor and all the other bullshit we see come from them on a daily basis from all corners of the planet.
(Years ago, I once read an article I can no longer find despite having searched and searched. It dealt with a study on who is most likely to lie and use dishonesty for public concerns. Politicians were up there, but female grad students topped the list. Doesn’t surprise me, given how their emotions make them do things just like this article highlights, and how feminist’s opinion/anger “studies” dominate the campuses. Does anyone reading this know of this article and can point me to it again? Of course, being so long down the list of comments here, I probably won’t even get read. Sometimes, that makes me wish the latest comments post at the top).
What can we do about this inner issue with bad women?
Well, we can start by calling an ace of spades just what it is. Then teach the boys about these kinds of women, reward boys and men for staying completely away from these types, and love them no matter if they begin to shun women and live without them.
No stone should be left unturned!
The first big step toward curbing irrationality from women: Don’t trust them until you can trust them…and then, still make sure. Once, sure, enjoy them with all your might.
Teach this to the boys…NOW!
“AVFM has obtained copies, a before and after record of Georgetown’s list of master’s theses from 2012.”
—when I read lines like the above, I KNOW I am in the right place and in good hands. Thanks for the superb activism. BINGO BABY!
So, here we have it – it’s all been a “conspiracy” by MRAs.
http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1262378&page=3
“Of fucking course it was a framing attempt by an MRA. No feminist activists, out of all the ones I know,would do something like this, unless it was that college that showed off about accepting mostly white males to “combat racism”.”
Oh thanks! I’m now dumber for having read that.
I actually found it hilariously funny.
My face looks like shit from persistent facedesking now, but it was a gooood facedesking.
😀
““Of fucking course it was a framing attempt by an MRA. No feminist activists, out of all the ones I know,would do something like this, unless it was that college that showed off about accepting mostly white males to “combat racism”.””
[Sarcasm On]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwxnWi3mn6o
[Sarcasm Off]
She has so much as acknowledged that feminist activists are capable of this very behaviour, under circumstances where they FEEL that it is justifiable.
Another example of ‘Just Us’, courtesy of Camp Feminism.
Of fucking course it was a framing attempt by an MRA. No feminist activists, out of all the ones I know,would do something like this, unless it was that college that showed off about accepting mostly white males to “combat racism”.”
Too bizarre of a statement to merit even a “what the fuck?!”
Notice this:
At the end of a ten page thread they close the thread “because she’s been in Madagascar for a year” and thus this is obviously ‘fake’.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1289572-Trashing-white-males-applications-on-purpose/page10
Three words for this demonic cunt- c h e c k y o u r p r i v i l e g e. Cunt.
That was four. Did you attend Georgetown?
😉
LMFAO! You are fortunate to have been educated before the dumbing down of education began in earnest.
Check your privilege before accusing poor Perseus, he might feel oppressed by your nitpicking !
Also, the ALL MALE refuse collection services have an opening they need to fill immediately. Get the fuck on that, princess cunt.
OOPS! Princesses don’t do such lowly jobs. You have just created a new form of rape—- STATUS RAPE
I’m disconcerted by the certainty of other commenters that everything is true considering the amount and plausibility of evidence that currently exists. There’s nothing wrong with prodding the university for answers about Arianna and the website edits, but at the very least wait until more evidence comes in before you run off with your verdict.
It should be noted the credibility of the entire controversy is based on anecdotes taken from an extremely dubious and over-the-top blog. Anecdotes are NOT valid evidence of anything unless they are substantiated by additional solid evidence, and this anecdote has none. Evidence connecting the blog to Arianna suggests she might be writing the blog, not that what is being written is true. Additionally, there are serious discrepancies between the information provided about Adrianna on the cached Georgetown pages and the beliefs stated in the blog. Some commenters suggest this is to cover her identity, but there is no reason to believe this information was distorted or fabricated but the admissions blog post itself is not.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ckvgo/woman_who_works_at_college_admissions_rejects/
Mensrights reddit is not on board with this. One commenter who says they know about the Georgetown admissions process asserts that there is major gaps between their knowledge of it and how the blogger portrayed the process. This includes discrepancies between dates and the fact that admissions isn’t even run by a single person. Another commenter says there’s a committee involved in judging admissions. Putting this much effort into portraying your post as containing faulty information just so you can brag about seriously incriminating and illegal evidence is extremely implausible to me.
To recap:
– There’s no evidence the post about trashing admissions is factual, and other evidence indicates it wasn’t
– There is insubstantial evidence the blogger was Arianna
– It is advisable to wait until there is substantial evidence before you declare it as true
Additionally:
– I haven’t seen evidence Arianna was ever in charge of admissions (feel free to correct)
– The consequences of the conspiracy would have to be public or fabricated: the university publishes statistics about their admissions, and any number of people would have to cover it up or there’d be a suspicious spike in certain demographics
– The total number of people in the U involved in the conspiracy if all of it were true would be implausibly high
– Presumption of innocence has apparently gone to hell, and of all people to do it
I agree with much of what you post here, which is exactly why an affirmative response to the NCFM letter from GU is in order, vs the removal of information about Pattek from their website.
It is in the light of day where the lingering questions about this can be answered.
Erasing the record of persons from the University database only leaves people to speculate in precisely the way you are concerned with.
I e-mailed FIRE and Barbara Kay about this issue; FIRE responded that they appreciated the info but can’t look into it further because of their policy to focus on “first amendment issues”.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall to hear what communication is taking place between the university president’s office and the admissions office. It’s also possible they are investigating to see if the blog was really written by the alleged author. If it was, there may be grounds for the university taking legal action against her, for bringing the university’s reputation for fairness in admissions into disrepute.
fully agree: the article is so OTT, so blatently odious that our BS antenna should be twitching just a little bit.
Give the person a chance to confirm or deny.. a bit of natural justice..
but I will assert this: whoever wrote it has raised an extremely seriou – s issue. It requires a serious response from the university. This shocking scenario has been asserted in the public domain:even if it ultimately turns out to be some kind of bizzare fabrication, they have a duty of care to all applicants to investigate this matter. Prima Facie there is a case to answer, there appears mens rea, there is a suspect.
Let there be a presumption of innocence (and many posts above are guilty of abandoning this), but all other aspects of this case meet the requirement for there being a case to answer. MEN HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED FOR FAR LESS!
Trust me – there IS a presumption of innocence – if or when this is fully confirmed, the reaction will be much stronger than a few snarky comments here.
One thing I can tell you, anyone’s “BS’o’meter should be twanging loud and clear at the proposition this is some sort of huge, long term MRA conspiracy/hoax smearing an innocent and obscure college grad, out of the blue, for no good reason other than she’s… just a girl.
….as opposed to outting an over zealous young lady drunk on her feminist power playing Social Darwinist.
At this point we have very strong circumstantial evidence of some foul play involving Arianna and Georgetown University. I agree that we shouldn’t be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I see no reason why GU would make the hasty deletes from their website if there was nothing going on.
BTW, it looks like mantits is reading these comments intently. He apparently thinks that anonymous bloggers never change details to throw people off the trail, and that the fact that GU hastily deleted all references to Arianna from her site isn’t worth mentioning.
Re: Boobzie,
Or not. The semi-literate fuckwad doesn’t read AVfM closely enough to have noticed there is a very slight difference between Dr. T and Dr. F….
And I didn’t read Boobzie’s site closely enough to notice that until you mentioned it. He also didn’t notice that in the timeline of events, Arianna had already graduated at the time that the post about arbitrarily rejecting white males was made. Someone who has graduated isn’t an undergraduate.
I got a response from Georgetown:
@mensrightsrdt These comments do not represent our careful and comprehensive admissions procedures.
https://twitter.com/Georgetown/status/325319211079573506
@mensrightsrdt cont’d-Ms. Pattek graduated from GU w/ a bachelor’s degree in 2012.She has never been employed by any GU admissions office
https://twitter.com/Georgetown/status/325319484472688640
http://i.imgur.com/ACOOezb.png
also, the authenticity of that blog entry is till in question. So far, there’s noting really linking the accused to the production of that text.
https://twitter.com/Infernatotely/status/325007243504390144
Paul, you’re free to incorporate this as an addendum.
Georgetown University is now claiming on their twitter page that Arianna was never employed by their admissions office. They were then asked to explain why they purged all traces of her from their website, and so far have not responded.
https://twitter.com/Georgetown
Maybe it’s because people have been trying to harass her without doing even very basic journalistic fact checking? It is theoretically possible that Georgetown University might have, upon seeing one of its alumni being attacked by an Internet lynch mob, decided to try and protect that student in its own inept, bumbling sort of way.
There is no US university in the modern era that lets any single person be the gatekeeper of people’s applications. It is a ridiculous proposal. Hello, nepotism!
I’m sort of curious why we should go to all of the trouble of believing that this blogger was lying about having a PhD and aggrandizing their accomplishments, but that it is not reasonable to consider that they a.) do not or did not ever actually go to Georgetown or b.) never actually served on any admissions committee ever.
Speaking of not doing very basic journalistic fact checking, are you asserting that some people have actually attempted to harass Arianna? If so, where is your evidence?
“There is no US university in the modern era that lets any single person be the gatekeeper of people’s applications. It is a ridiculous proposal.”
Nowhere near as ridiculous as the loaf you just pinched.
They were then asked to explain why they purged all traces of her from their website, and so far have not responded.
Crafting even semi-plausible alibis takes time.
A note for new readers and a reminder for everyone else.
It is extremely rare that comments are deleted from this site. However newly registered commenters can expect their comments to be mediated at first. Trolls are rarely banned as well, and ONLY after they have made public fools of themselves. This does not occur secretly.
This does not occur secretly
Mocking one publicly is a favorite pastime of mine especially white knighting mangina douche bags.
Inquiry is in order, witch-hunting is not. I’m surprised that so many MHRAs seem to have jumped on the same bandwagon that the MSM and public do every time someone is alleged to have sexually assaulted a woman – look at the Retaeh Parsons case and how it has been treated by the MSM, politicans, public, and internet commentariat.
If we want to distinguish ourselves from feminists, one of the best ways to do that is to base our opinions on objectively verifiable data and to withhold judgement (and pitchfork-waving) until the facts are in.
Some people seem to forget that the MHRM has advocated sticking to legal standards and principles when assessing allegations. If the AP issue was presented as a fact pattern on an evidence exam, many comments here would fail miserably. There’s so much confirmation bias flying around this issue, it’s practically tangible.
The strongest evidence linking the blog to AP is the topic of her thesis. The thesis is somewhat idiosyncratic and this strengthens the probative value of the evidence but by no means makes it determinative. The actions of Georgetown are post-facto conduct, which can result from many different motivations – IE just because someone runs, it doesn’t mean they’re guilty. Is it suspicious? Yes. Does it warrant explanation? Yes. Does it warrant throwing up a gallows and practising our noose-tying? No. It’s not even post-facto conduct by AP – it’s by an affiliated third party.
There’s no evidentiary basis, at this point, to speak in conclusive terms about AP doing anything other than attending GU and writing a thesis. There is *some* evidence *suggesting* a link between AP and the blog. To speak of any of these things as “facts”, either implicitly or explicitly, is to stretch the definition of the word like a feminist defining “rape”.
Investigate, describe the evidence, offer reasonable inferences arising from the evidence (whether for or against AP writing the blog), and engage in some critical thinking.
If someone runs when asked about something by the police, it creates what they call “probable cause”. If the officers weren’t legally justified in arresting that person at the time they asked the question, they became legally justified the second that the person ran. GU and Arianna have absolutely created probable cause against themselves by hastily attempting to conceal information.
I do agree that it’s premature to speak in conclusive terms about this matter, but GU and Arianna aren’t doing themselves any favors with their behavior.
I don’t know how it is in the US, but running from the police constitutes “reasonable suspicion” in Canada – IE it justifies investigative detention, not arrest (which requires reasonable and probable grounds – a higher standard than reasonable suspicion). If the investigative detention doesn’t yield reasonable and probable grounds, the person has to be released.
I’m Canadian, and I wasn’t aware that there was a legal difference between arrest and investigative detention. Regardless of the term used, in most if not all of the world running from the police gets you cuffed and put in the squad car or partyvan which is what laypeople call “arrest”.
Anyway I agree with your basic point that inquiry is what is in order here.
I agree that the distinction is a fine one and most people are unaware of it. It’s an important distinction, though – the power of the police to search you is significantly less in an ID situation than in an arrest.
People have been shot in the back running from the Police in the US.
Most women probably wouldn’t aware of this as very few women find themselves in that situation, but the University surely must be.
This reminds me of the scandal 6 years ago at Carleton University when the student union decided to cancel it’s annual “shinerama” fund raiser for cystic fibrosis on the grounds that it “mainly affects white males.” They based their decision on an unsubstantiated rumor, and could not see anything wrong with it until the word got out. Although massive exposure and public pressure caused them to reverse their decision, the student union leaders seemed totally oblivious as to what the public outrage was all about. They never expressed a hint of remorse or of an understanding of what they had done wrong.
Good old Cartoon U. I remember this fiasco well.
They also just banned a free speech wall a few months ago as well as not officially recognizing an anti-abortion group. Thank goodness my son has decided to attend a community college where the femmiroid infection has not yet penetrated very deeply.
If this is true (you note I said IF) it could be a scandal of Watergate proportion.
It’s Business As Usual to screw over poor white boys – quite another to screw over rich white boys.
To date, the reaction of verified scandals such as this has been mild disbelief and 0 reaction.
I think those days will be ending as more and more rich white boys lives are train wrecked by false accusations and blatant discrimination against them.
Found another missing page of George Towns, which also seems to have ever so recently gone walkabout on the net http://www.webcitation.org/6G0VogXIB – Nice piccy of Ms Teacher too!
It’s so odd that so much would vanish so quickly – it’s as if some is doing Happy Valley and having the Mural Touched up to hide the fingerprints left by Sandusky.
And does anyone know what mensa member means by “secular humynist”?
Edit – … and this came up too – Thesis by Arianna Pattek (F’12 – CULP) Earns National Honors – http://www.webcitation.org/6G0WpJEu6
It looks like George Town could do with employing a quality web master, cos the one the have can’t manage c ver up that could withstand the Juris Prudence of a 5 year old!
So feminist conservative says that her thesis examines paleo-conservatism, men’s rights, neo-confederacy, anti-zionism, and political Islam.
But the thesis by Ari is only about holocaust denial and neo-confederacy.
I don’t see how these are linked.
Maybe I’m old but where has honor, dignity, and respect gone. The most frightening thing about our future for me is the prevailing social justice climate which justifies these behaviors. I hope AVfM FTSUs this situation.
That sight “Shame on U” is a great idea.
Why would any university put bachelor degree holding students in charge of admissions? Are there any colleges/universities that do that?
It looks like you might have been fooled. Here is a screenshot of the original post on 4chan’s /b/ that started this whole thing before it went to reddit and then here:
http://i.imgur.com/V95ktJl.png.
Until there’s evidence that she owns that blog and evidence that she worked in the admissions office, linking her name to it is wrong. It seems as if someone who didn’t like her in real life just started that blog and with no evidence accused her of writing it and then a bunch of people started a witch hunt.
If it is her then she should be punished, but just as people realized very recently with the identities of the boston bombers, plenty of times the internet gets it wrong. Reddit users go on witch hunts all the time and have doxed and accused a cancer survivor, supposed scammers, awhile ago a woman who was raped got accused by the mob of faking her injuries with makeup: (http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/kcg6a/redditor_accuses_attempted_rape_victim_of_faking/)
Good point! 😀
Keep in mind that there is a fair chance that this is a hoax, though the fact that Georgetown University pulled her info from their site as well as she set her facebook and other blogs to private may seem to suggest otherwise. Some of the details on the blog containing this post are inconsistent with the details about the supposed author of it.
If it is a hoax, it is a pretty elaborate one hatched over a significant period of time.
She and the university would have made her stuff private because people (first on /b/, then on reddit, then on this site) got her details and started emailing the university and her.
These screenshots are from posts on /b/:
http://imageshack.us/a/img841/4619/ev2s.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img407/3255/ev3h.png
There’s nothing uncivil about those emails. Purging information from the site in reaction to them is a sign of guilt, not innocence.
Since this is my first post, a head’s up personal. I’ve been married for 26 years to the world’s most tolerant wife. I’ve got two daughters who are the apple of my eye. I’ve got women who like me and I like them. I have no beef with typical women. I loathe misandrists.
I agree with virtually all the comments I read above. I have a different complaint.
Why is the Catholic Church not cleaning house on what is a very visibly out of control campus, chock full of some of the most godless and hedonistic people on earth?
Their About Box: Georgetown is the oldest Catholic and Jesuit institute of higher learning in the United States. Jesuits have played a significant role in the growth and evolution of Georgetown into a global research university deeply rooted in the Catholic faith.
Is that a fact? Like Sandra Fluke?
The Jesuits should also be held accountable for these egregious violations of conduct and allowing insidious sexism to fester. It’s time for the Bishops to quit bowing to the altar of manna and start guiding by their founding principles.
I say that as someone with a Catholic wife and daughters raised as Catholic. Catholics, are you listening?
Perhaps it is time to cut of the tithes to the Catholic Churches until these issues of sexism are addressed?
If the applications were trashed the GU admissions committee would have to be searching the dumpsters to find them.
It should be easy to look at the number and admission rate of white males vs all other applicants,something that should be done in any event.
The percentage of admissions by demographic is something they often boast about,there should be no reason for hiding the stats from the most current year in perspective of past years.
The fact is men are discriminated against by ‘affirmative action,in fact schools are paid well for doing so,by way of Federal grants.
GU should be proud to display their latest quota figures.
Where is this school that is taking white males predominantly?
That sounds like a blatant lie.
The coverup will be so deep GU will not even release the usual public information on admissions now,wait and see.
A few FOIA demands should heat the pot nicely.
This chick just has to be parody. She says in her “about” page that:
“I believe that the Jewish people have the right to secure the existence of their nation and a future for their children”
I thought about that and it sounds suspiciously like the Fourteen Words “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.”
I can thing of a lot of sentences with a similar form to those two; does that mean anyone who uses one of them is an over-the-top extremist? How about this sentence?
“I believe that the Palestinian people have the right to secure the existence of their nation and a future for their children.”
Of all the possible things about her blog that might be used as evidence of it being a parody, that sentence has to be among the weakest. You can read a sentence similar to that on most pro-Israel sites.