A letter to a future daughter-in-law, possibly my own:
A few years from now you’re probably going to want to marry my son. Perhaps you already do; he’s kind of hot (if I’m allowed to notice) and his potential is quite obvious, if I do say so myself. He’s only twenty, handsome and well built, and when he lets is hair grow long it’s thick and wavy. He has his father’s beautiful eyes, and my dimples look much better on him than they ever looked on me. Also, he’s in the military; he has finished his deployment and doesn’t expect to go overseas again, so he’s now preparing to start earning college credits. I don’t hover so I’m not certain, but he’s probably going to major in engineering. Or possibly actuarial science. He surfs, rides a motorcycle and a mountain bike, and he maintains a classic car. He’s essentially a decent guy; pretty much everyone likes him or loves him, and respects him. Girls hit on him regularly.
I’ll be surprised if he ever marries though. You see, his plan is to wait until he’s at least thirty, and therefore he will spend the next decade meeting, dating, working with, and probably sleeping with, the product of sixty years of American feminism. I’m pretty sure he won’t find many women worth considering for marriage.
How about we look at it from his perspective, m’kay? Here’s what he sees:
Half of you have been raised without your fathers, yet only a few of your fathers deserved to be kicked out of your lives. You were raised by the women who kicked your fathers out, and perhaps by a string of step-dads and “uncles.” Those women, your mothers, taught you their values by example. Not an auspicious start. Most of the rest of you were raised by fathers who knew damn well that if they displeased your mothers, they too could be kicked out of your lives according to your mothers’ whims. They knew full well who had the real power in the family; they quietly accepted that “mother knows best.”
You were raised in a culture that permits, even encourages, women and girls to always push for more; not necessarily to do more or earn more, but to demand more and to expect more. You were punished far less severely for your transgressions than were your male peers. Indeed your female peers egged you on to be even naughtier, and to be defiant about it. It’s Grrrl Power, after all! The boys of your acquaintance were expected to give in to your shenanigans and your shit tests, and those who didn’t were labelled “problem children” and medicated. Usually, a boy’s best bet was to shut up and grovel, and maybe win your approval. They weren’t allowed to go around offending the Special Snowflakes, were they?
You were raised in a Disney Princess Culture, where every girl is entitled to her Prince Charming. And if she can’t find one, she has the Grrrl Power to kiss any old frog and transform him into a Prince. You were raised to be a slut, at least through your twenties. Go to college. Establish a career. Don’t get married until your late twenties or early thirties, but DO NOT under any circumstances, repress your sexuality. Your foremothers fought hard for your right to be promiscuous with no consequences; don’t you dare let their efforts go to waste.
And since you’re not looking for a husband, there’s no need to sleep with only “good” men, is there? Cuz badboyz r hawt! And nice guys are boring. And hell, you have plenty of time to ride the best cocks you can find – thanks to modern medicine, you can get pregnant after menopause if you want, so there’s no hurry. You are expected to waste your youth and your beauty on hot guys who treat you like shit, then give your leftovers to the guy you’ll promise to love, honor and cherish for the rest of your life. Wow! How lucky is he!
My son looks around and he sees bitchy, arrogant, malicious women. He sees spoiled greedy women. He sees financially irresponsible women. He sees lazy, undisciplined women. (Yes, even in the military; they had to lower the standards so more women could “serve.”) He sees overweight women wearing unflattering clothes that display muffin tops and rolls of fat, who drool over his biceps while telling him that “looks shouldn’t matter.”
He sees slutty women who dress to attract men, sleep with the hot ones, and denigrate the less attractive ones by calling them “creepy.” He sees “competitive” professional women whose primary tools for getting ahead are affirmative action and the unspoken threat of sexual harassment lawsuits. He sees demanding women who expect men to bow and scrape for the privilege of a smile. He sees utterly irrational women whose “self esteem” is obscenely disproportionate to their proven worth. He sees entitled women who expect romantic dates and expensive gifts, yet have absolutely nothing of value to contribute to a relationship. He sees women who flirt with their hopeful, geeky JustFriends, juuuust barely enough to keep them on a string while simultaneously panting after Alpha Hotteies, then run crying back to those JustFriends after being pumped and dumped by said Hotties. “Oh, why can’t more men be nice like you?” (Answer: if they were, no woman would fuck them.)
Look around you, ladies. You see the very same women, don’t you? Many of you are these women. You think this is normal and acceptable because “everybody does it.” It’s not.
There’s something you should know about my son and his peers. They’re not gay, they’re not lazy, they’re not stupid, they’re not unambitious, and they’re not weak. They’ve merely figured you out. They know that you don’t give a rat’s ass about them, and that you see them as nothing but providers and fantasy sex objects. They are wise to the game and they’re done playing by your rules.
They have the same job titles as you and they take home the same pay, but they work longer hours and they do harder work; they know that their productivity is why employers can afford to hire you to sit a desk and shuffle papers. They know that if two drunk people have sex and both regret it the next morning, only one of them is a rapist. They know that “My Body/My Choice” actually means “My/Body/My Choice/Your Wallet.” They know that the minute they sign a marriage license, everything they own is yours, but nothing you own is theirs (except your debts) and you can walk away with cash and prizes, at any time, for any reason. Or for no reason at all.
They’re calling Bullshit.
A few years from now, you’ll begin asking yourself, “Where have all the good men gone?” You’ll look down your noses at all those guys playing video games and living like frat boys in cheap apartments, and you’ll just know that they could be “doing so much better for themselves,” if only they would “Man Up.” You’ll shake your heads in wonder at their “immaturity,” or their “wasted potential.” Here’s a little secret. Yes, a few men are immature or weak; they’ve had the masculinity abused or medicated out of them, mostly by their single mothers and grandmothers. But most of them?
They no longer give a rat’s ass about you.
That’s right. They don’t need to work hard and earn a good living. They have no intention of fathering and supporting any children, and no desire whatsoever to earn your approval. You go buy your own four-bedroom colonial in just the right subdivision. That’s what your Grrrl Power is for, isn’t it? So you don’t need a man? Many of these men will even go so far as to quit their jobs as soon as they begin to “earn a good living.” They don’t want to make enough money to pay taxes. They don’t want to pay the salaries of millions of useless (and mostly female) government employees, and they don’t want to finance the personal choices of “Empowered Women.”
Those Empowered Women can buy their own damn birth control. These men refuse to feed your Beast. And you, and your government, and your church, can’t cajole them or shame them into giving a shit. Men are dropping out, ladies. Chivalry has died of blunt force trauma, in a beatdown administered by Grrrl Power. Your mothers, your grandmothers, your schools, your family courts, your sociology professors, have spent the last two generations telling men that the are unnecessary and unwelcome. And now they’re leaving. (Although they’ll be glad to fuck you while you’re young and hot, since you’re offering. Aaaaand then they’ll move on to younger and hotter sluts. Why the hell not? It’s free.)
This is the gift that feminism has given to you: Independence. Scary, lonely, bitter, potentially impoverished Independence. For yourselves and any children you may have. Most of you won’t blame feminism though; you’ll blame Male Privilege (which doesn’t exist.) You’ll blame The Patriarchy (which always gave women a better deal than it gave men.) You will stamp your feet, flip your hair, and blame anything except the single cultural force that has devoted itself to suppressing and controlling masculinity. And you’ll go home alone every night to your cats, your Facebook Friends, and your vibrators. I sure hope that’s what you want.
Sincerely,
A Mom.
Author’s Note:
This piece is not about my son. In real life, he is a multi-faceted individual living his own life. In this article, “My Son” is a cardboard cutout of any ordinary, intelligent young man who is considering his future. Sarcasm is my friend, so no, I’m not a bitter aging helicopter mom with Oedipal issues, who believes no woman will ever be good enough for Mr. Perfect.
And yes, NAWALT, I know…
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Brava, Suz.
Have you considered submitting this to Jezebel just for kicks?
Tempting, isn’t it?
Please, pwetty please wit sugah on topppppp?!
I say this with the most stuck-up, self-entiteled, modern school girl queen bee voice my deep bass verbal microphone will allow me.
For the love of GOD, please; SEND THAT LETTER!
I will confess, this may be one of those times to give in to temptation.
I can here the squawking in that henhouse now.
“The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.” – Oscar Wilde
@Suz
You have more courage, fortitude, guts & intelligence then 2000, mangina’s discussing equality & justice when it comes to men & women .
Do it!
Standing Ovation!
Fantastic piece…sad, so sad as it is true.
Excellent Suz! Very honest and (I believe) will resonate with both sexes.
I would like to print this out and leave Hundreds of copies at the cafeteria of the local university (well the one university and 4 colleges in my city).
Ctrl + P
That was my intent when I wrote it!
“Where have all the good men gone?”
Married to the good women.
: )
I always say that the market sets the price/value.
These good men (good as defined by the commenter) passed over the commenter in favor of some other woman.
This is the market giving a different assessment than the self-assessment of the commenter.
I’m 27. I live in Australia. I have been single for the last 4 years.
If you get married (or even co-habitate) in today’s legal environment, you’re an idiot. While there may be such a thing as a good woman (NAWALT makes me sick), they are so rare as to be basically non-existent.
The cost of choosing wrong is too high. If you were going sky diving and before the plane took off, the instructor warned you that there would be between 35 and 50% chance that your parachute wouldn’t open… would you get on that plane? I wouldn’t.
The best part is that even if your chosen woman is perfect today, she vows to do all the right things, and even actually believes herself that she will do this… she can at any point in time decide that she’s had enough and leave, claiming her cash and prizes as she exists with all your stuff, and a large chunk of the stuff you might make in the future.
On top of this, today’s women (in my age group at least) are just not very nice people. They are selfish, immature, curs who couldn’t hold an intelligent conversation about anything more advanced than what’s going to be on television tonight or what their favorite chocolate bar is. More than a few people have referred to them as entitlement princesses, and this fits quite well with my experiences. Everything is about them, and if it isn’t about them, then it has to go! They’re quite happy to sit for hours and bitch and moan about their issues to you, but there is no reciprocity.
Why buy the cow when the milk is free, and the cow is actually a kleptomaniacal emotion-sucking vampire?
No thanks, I’ll be over here playing computer games. make sure the door hits you on the way out.
>Getting married
>2013
Suz, you can write! Brilliant.
Women were the strongest supporters of the world’s first formal men’s rights organization, founded in 1926 (in Vienna, by Sigurd Hoeberth). That experiment collapsed when the international economy collapsed. But it was young men’s mothers’ financial support that kept it going as long as it did (note: there was eventually a schism, with Hoeberth’s group accepting female members; and another faction which was men only).
Some MRAs think female voices in the MRM are worrisome. I am not among that number (not that I would not disagree with specific women on specific views).
A welcome new voice which has “compassion for boys and men.”
Oh God why didn’t I find this website before I married the woman described to perfection in this piece?
We made it a few days past 5 years before her verbal abuse turned physical.
Leaving my 2 year old and my 1 year old was the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make. Whether or not I should have simply taken it to ensure they didn’t come from a broken home, raised by that sicko will haunt me for the rest of my life.
In the end I had to file.
I had to risk that they would recognize her poison in their older years and turn to me…because I fostered their individualism while she stifled them in more ways than I can list here.
I hope and pray I made the right decision for them.
Norwood, I’m sure you did. Keep records of her behavior and stick in there for the opportunity to get more time with your kids.
If you aren’t over with us on a Shrink 4 Men, come on over, we’ve got lots of folk who could give you great advice and support
Thank you, Aimee.
I plan on documenting everything.
And I will definitely stop by the Shrink 4 Men website. I already follow you on Twitter and have posted many, many of your articles in the last few days.
Norwood, it is impossible to get out unscathed when you are raised by a mother (or father) like your ex-wife. Even if you had stayed and “taken it,” you would not have been able to prevent the kids being damaged by their mother.
This is the consequence of breeding with Crazy — the kids have a shitastic mother and someday will need to come to terms with the fact that their mother will hurt them whenever she gets close enough to do so and decide for themselves how much exposure to her they can tolerate.
By getting yourself out, healing and regaining your strength, you can provide your children with a safe harbor from their mother. Show them by example that there are different ways to live one’s life and that love isn’t about, power, control and abuse.
You’ve already demonstrated that one should walk away from an abusive relationship. Now, do as Aimee advised and document, document, document. Start doing due diligence on what constitutes a “change of circumstances” in your state regarding custody and file for more custody when you have enough documented evidence.
If you are trying to co-parent, you might want to research parallel parenting. You cannot co-parent with an abusive ex. Parallel parenting will help you create boundaries by going Low Contact with the ex and give you a highly specific custody order, which is essential with someone like your ex.
Most abusive wing nut mothers do not believe court orders apply to them. Start documenting all her violations once you have a structured parallel parenting CO. Even the most Golden Uterus loving judge will eventually get pissed off and smack her down if she violates enough of his or her orders.
Unfortunately, a father getting primary custody or even 50/50 custody instead of an abusive mother is often a long-term war, rather than a quick battle. I recommend to start viewing it this way (if you’re not already) and strategize accordingly.
Know your state laws. Research your local family court. Then find a take no shit attorney who has experience with high-conflict cases and personality disorders, map out a strategy and wait for the ex to expose herself. These types are often their own worst enemies. You just need to wait, watch, document it and take action.
You are your kids best shot at becoming reasonably healthy adults and you need to be strong and healthy yourself to help them. Again, there is no way you can shield your kids from a monster like your ex. If possible, get them a good kid shrink who has expertise with children of personality disordered, PASing parents and did I mention document, document, document?
Hi Dr,
I am trying as best I can.
Unfortunately, I am flat broke. When people say broke they mean one thing…I mean the other! My debit card gets denied on a daily basis for things like a cup of coffee, or gas for my vehicle. She emptied out our bank account of over $10,000.
I’m desperately looking for work, my company recently downsized a third of its staff. I had an interview recently and was told I am overqualified.
Those two things make me think I’m an even worse parent than is she.
Just as an aside, and I realize that material items are nothing compared to my children…but she currently has every single piece of personal property I ever owned. I collected baseball cards and things and she will allow me to have none of it. Never once did she show an interest in my hobby, yet now it’s all “things that were acquired during the marriage”.
I’d be happy taking my things, letting her keep her things and going about our merry (bad choice of words) way. But she wants to fight, so I guess we will have to see how the judge splits it all up.
As far as my lawyer goes…because I’m completely broke, I have one that is working for free. But you get what you pay for I’m slowly learning.
Granted, before him I wasn’t even able to see my sons because of a falsified restraining order. The judge kept extending it over and over, but my lawyer finally convinced him to actually read it and the judge let it expire…so I see my sons once a week now. Yet he is very slow to return emails or phone calls. I haven’t heard from him all week.
I’m thinking of making more phone calls to lawyers and seeing what I can work out.
But I’m afraid I will be unable to afford them – and that is a reality.
Being broke and unemployed does not make you a bad parent. My Beloved is both those things at the moment, and it doesn’t take one tiny bit away from the good he does with his Youngest (Eldest has sadly been PASed).
Do you live in a city with a law school? If so, see if they have senior students taking cases on under supervision.
Norwood,
I understand things are looking tough right now but I see an opportunity for you.
You have time sir, and with that time you can start looking at the divorce laws for your state.
Most are online and are easily accessible.
Educate yourself about the law while continuing to look for a job.
I know the laws are discriminatory, but that does not mean you can’t try and lesson the fallout.
Take advantage of this situation and turn it to your advantage.
I am really curious about the false allegation, can you prove it and if so has your lawyer introduced said proof into the proceedings?
I would also urge you to look up the recording laws for your state, video and audio taped evidence makes them liars shake.
Keep up the good fight.
Norwood,
You are a good man, do whatever you can to keep your heart free from hate. Look after yourself and never give up on your son/kids. Keep your thought forms clean and positive because what you think you create. There are wonderful caring loving women out there as there are great guys. When you truly believe you deserve a wonderful nurturing loving woman she will come. It’s true you dont need her, you are perfect as you are. It is such a joy and blessing to share your life with a loving intimate partner, I hope one day you get to exprience this kind of love and committment.
Suz thanks for such a great piece.
And where the hell was this sage advice all those years ago, when I made my first mistake. Actually, where was it when I made my second mistake. Sheesh!
The only good things that came out of those mistakes were children.
Oh, and I also think I finally learned my lesson to stop being a sniveling idiot who followed a female round like a lost puppy looking for a scrap to eat and begging for it from the woman.
When I think back of what I reduced myself to, just to please these ……(can’t think of an appropriate name here), I feel literally sick in the stomach.
Well, I have decided to atone for my sins against me, by crushing up some red pills and slowly feeding them to my children, both boys and girls, so that they will hopefully not make the same stupid ‘Self-Harming’ mistakes I made.
I had to edit out the word ‘Masochistic,’ because in both those relationships there was very little sexual gratification of any kind to be had.
“When I think back of what I reduced myself to, just to please these ……(can’t think of an appropriate name here), I feel literally sick in the stomach.”
Me too, Shrek, pass the stemetil please.
Like you I’m feeding daily red pills to my son and daughter who are munching them up like packets of corn chips. May the spirit of humanitarianism protect them and see them through to old age.
A work of art!
Brilliant and spot on to the extreme.
Encore!
(PLEASE submit this to Jezebel. I would pay good money to see their faces when they read it!)
That. Was. Brilliant.
Hi Suz, love it!
I wonder if “The Reflector” would run this, lol.
All I can say is WOW! This needs to be read to every woman in the western, English-speaking world under the age of 50.
My wife wouldn’t recognize herself but this is an accurate portrait of what she was and to a large extent still is.
Blog gold!
Chapeau!
As one of those ‘ghosters’, I can say you hit the nail on the head.
A time ago, a female relative complained to me about her ex-boyfriend. You know, the usual. I think she broke up with him because he hadn’t managed to get their toaster in the right colour or some such idiocy. That had been SO important to her!
You all know, in such situations there are thousands of things in your head you want to ask somebody. I simply asked her: “When was the last time you considered what HE wanted?”
And she looked at me as if I was spouting gibberish. Turned out, “what he wanted” was not something she had considered ever.
I simply asked her: “When was the last time you considered what HE wanted?”
You were far too polite. If she really did break up with her boyfriend for something as trivial a what you describe, you would not have been out of line at all to have asked her “What the FUCK is wrong with you, you stupid, shallow cunt?!”
I’m a quiet, polite guy IRL. I find that in personal discussion, it yields much better results. Insulting someone only gets their backs up, and they simply ignore any reasonable point you might have.
Hey, a girlfriend broke up with me and throughout The Talk, we talked only about how I did not meet her needs (e.g: Have a 60qm apartment to myself in the most expensive cities in the country, study hard, hold a steady job AND still have the money to go on vacation whenever she feels like it. I was a student at the time).
When she was done after an hour, she asked if I had anything to add. I simply stated I had not. My place in ‘her relationship’ and her views on what she deserved from men had been made abundantly clear to me.
Sometimes you don’t discuss. You just go your own way.
When she was done after an hour, she asked if I had anything to add.
Response: “Yes. Good luck to you in finding this ‘ideal man.’ Would you mind if I called on you in, say, five years to see how you’ve made out in your quest? Somehow, I think the odds are greater that you’ll have trapped a live unicorn or have become only the second woman in human history to have conceived and given birth as a virgin.”
Sometimes you can discuss. This video gives some helpful pointers.
I enjoyed this piece when I first read it, unfortunately I cannot recall the website it was on. And I still enjoy it now.
According to social standards, I am what could be considered a “catch”. When a female asks why I’m still single I like asking them a question; “What does a woman have to offer me?” It’s telling that the question confuses them and it takes thought for them to give me an answer. That is of course working off the assumption that they don’t immediately respond that relationships are about serving others… somehow not understanding the question that I asked them.
There’s just so much to comment on here, so… /clap
Good for you.
Unfortunately, I knew from the start she was all wrong.
Lack of independence. (She never lived outside of her parent’s house)
Very, very “physically” aggressive at first
Thought sex was love
So many family members and friends warned me…but I blew it. I was in my mid thirties and the old “I’m not getting younger, so might as well” thought process was going through my head. What a mistake.
But for your situation, I’m glad you aren’t settling. You deserve the best, everyone does. And the best person in the world is one’s self. So give you yourself first. Everyone else can wait.
very perceptive. i love it. its true. “my people are leaving these shoes”
Feminism has enticed many women to make self-destructive choices that have resulted in them being increasingly lonely, bitter and miserable. Few of them would ever acknowledge that feminism has effectively ruined their own lives, much less the lives of those around them.
Feminism relentlessly panders to the laziness, greed and vanity of vast numbers of women. Perhaps this is why most women are so loath to recognize it. They are certainly not very keen to warn young women about the dangers ahead – misery loves company, I guess.
Ms Suz offers a letter of caution for the recklessly entitled young women of today. I don’t expect any of them to take heed. Its true value is how it provides such loving encouragement to young men, like her son, to expect and demand a better deal for themselves.
Excellent work, Ms Suz.
Although it’s been said before, those whose lives have been ruined by it will do their best to get others to ruin their lives as well
Yep. Hurt people, hurt people.
Damn Suz,
I am speechless, this is poetry.
I am not sure if anyone asked this yet but would love to see this done in a video, read out loud by an ethical and moral mother.
Awesome idea, Dannyboy!
yah i have the odd one,
Think I must have hit my head or something before posting that comment,, stirred the grey matter and voila’ ,,lol
Thanks
Why dont you really say how you feel, Suz? Lol
This piece is a fresh dose of truth for young women who want to avoid the narcissistic program and be unique. The ‘quality’ boys will all recognise you if you do. It’s also a reminder to young men who don’t understand the program to wake the fuck up.
A little bird told me that a link to this article was sent to Jezebel’s “email us a tip” page.
Ms Suz, please thank that little bird on our behalf. Let’s hope Kate Harding opens it first. I can already picture her startled cats beating hasty retreats to their safe places when mama goes into meltdown.
Congratulations on re-posting this splendid article. I remember how much it upset Chris Keys – a sterling recommendation indeed.
Laughed my arse off, thank you Suz.
And then there are the women(girls) who will conduct themselves in a dishonorable manner and act like they didn’t know what they did and then exclaim in all sincerity…”I’m sooo soooorrrrreeeeee!!………got to watch for that too.
Good point. That kind of shallow, insincere response is even more nauseating than the angry, bitter denials that will come from the majority.
Okay, you’re “sooo soooorrrrreeeeee!!” Now what?
“I’m sorry” aren’t quite the magic words they’ve been made out to be.
Bravo, Suz. That is probably the best rebuttal of feminism and the modern woman I have ever read. If you don’t have any objection, I would like to link to your article from my blog.
Sadly, all you have described of the modern female I have found to be true. I feel the greatest sense of loss for the young man looking for wife in the modern world.
Please spread it around!
Suz, it is a brilliant piece, it really hits the mark.
Everything you said is exactly the advise and guidance that any parent should give to their sons.
No matter the fact that not every woman is a hard wired asshole, not every woman is a feminist, not every woman grows up thinking that they will have a “starter husband” and then shaft him, take the kids and then find true love.
None of this matter, because when it comes to marriage or relationships and having children, the massive risk that is taken is by men and only men.
One of our sons may meet the most special woman ever, a woman such as yourself, and the other wonderful women on this site, who own their shit and understand the shit that men are being put through.
But he is still taking the same massive risk, that his life can be destroyed in weeks even though he is a great father, simply by his wife changing her mind.
Which brings me to my next point. I have a daughter not a son. I think we all, all of us here on this site would like to think that we would bring up our daughters to be responsible people who understand risk and reward, responsibility and respect for all regardless of sex. That the needs of men and women are equally important and should be equally dealt with. That feminism is inherently evil.
That is of course if we as fathers get any say or contact with said daughters.
The point here is this. Let us assume I have brought up the most fantastic daughter ever, who has all the respect in the world, who is not an entitled princess.
What is the equivalent letter we would right to these young women, what do we tell them when they say that despite being normal young women who respect young men, the young men are (rightly so) refusing to have relationships.
I must say, I have no idea.
Now, I think that we are making great inroads into public opinion, things are moving at a fair rate, which is why we are under attack more than ever. This site and its people are a major part of that IMO.
But even if we changed public opinion tomorrow, governments are typically ten years behind public sentiment, so I cannot see much change, I mean real significant change such as legislating 50/50 shared residence after separation, happening for many years.
So my question is “What do I tell my daughter, what do we tell the good young women who are now or soon to be coming to maturity.”
I know there is no simple answer, I know there is the truth, which is important.
I guess my point here is that on this website we concentrate on the rights and effects of our society on Men and Boys. That is correct because we are the men who have been shafted, and we are the men who want to protect the boys who are being shafted.
It is numero uno, number one, because feminism treats men and boys as second class citizens. But I would just like to make the point that we should not forget that Feminism is a bitch for women and girls as well. Sure, in some ways it gives them some advantage, but there are female causalities as well.
Now, I know I might cop a bit of flak here, because I have done a bit of NAWALT. That is cool guys ( that is generic), I have no prob with that.
Turbo, I have no children, but I hope for the best for your daughter. I think the best you can do for her is to raise her to be honest and true to her word, teach her how to fend for herself, and (if you can) convince her to appreciate honest, capable, true-to-their-word men and to ‘not be like that’.
In short, raise her to reject feminism from the git-go. Good luck with that – and I say this with much sympathy and little sarcasm.
“What is the equivalent letter we would right to these young women, what do we tell them when they say that despite being normal young women who respect young men, the young men are (rightly so) refusing to have relationships.
I must say, I have no idea.”
I do have a daughter that is 21 years old. I told her when she was 17 that she has great power right now and not to abuse it or she will end up broken and alone like her mother. Not in so many words….
And I told her how if she ever does get married and then divorces not to take advantage of the guy/his assets. That it is not right and she should not do that.
She is making a life for herself and does not look upon men as a way to “get things”. She knows I will point it out to her if ever I see her doing that.
Essentially, what you must tell your daughter is that her life will very likely be as hard as most guy’s lives already are. In many ways life is going to suck for this young generation, whether positive legal/social changes occur or not; under the best of circumstances it would take a couple of generations to undo what feminism has done. The best you can do is prepare her – teach her to be independent and useful, indispensable if possible. Even NAWALTs are encouraged and rewarded if the become Like That; the temptation must be overwhelming to people who don’t remember a world that was any different.
@ Rick Westlake, Bombay and Suz.
Thank you guys for your kind thoughts and advice. I agree with all you have said.
I think that this article is the ‘equivalent’ letter that you speak of, Turbo.
the same letter applies for both type of women. the bad ones get their answer to “where are all the good men?” and the good ones get their answer to “why wont he marry me?”
I can’t applaud enough, congratulations Suz.
Sometimes I have difficult time to explain to my Mother, It’s stupid for a man get married nowadays, or live with a woman, you don’t marry just the woman, you are marrying the government, and the government operates against men. My Mother complain she want grandchildren , and I try to explain, a child could cost all my assets, my income, maybe my freedom, I asked her once, Do you want a grandchild who you don’t have access and your son in jail? And more, the modern grrl sleep around a lot, so, is really my child?
I hear you. Women of a certain generation (my own mother is pushing 80 and she says the same things your mother does) just can’t understand our attitude, even though they see around them every day both the dangers and the wreckage of what feminism has wrought. Much of it has to do with their own experiences. My mother was married to my father for almost 52 years until his death and was by his side as not only his wife, but his business partner for the last 30 of those years. Even for her generation, that kind of marriage was an anomaly and her experience makes it hard for her to relate to what her sons’ and grandchildren’s generations are facing. She and those like her mean well, but unless they swim in the shark tank themselves, they just can’t relate. (On a positive note, now that my own marriage has hit the rocks due to my estranged wife’s behavior, something my mother never have imagined happening to her beloved son, she’s become much more understanding and supportive of the MRA position.)
Suz,
Bravo!
You and I need to get together and write a letter to young women who can’t understand what they’re doing wrong.
I have a son, and he will be learning to critically evaluate women and relationships from a very young age, but I also have two daughters, and I would love to have a blueprint to help them resist the pressure to be one of these cunts.
Growing up with their father at their side will go a long ways, but there has to be more that we can do, as moms, to give our daughters the tools they need to navigate a culture that tells them men are stupid and worthless and they should have everything without any obligations or responsibilities.
Here’s one thing I do: I don’t give a shit about the idiotic “What I Got For Christmas and How that Makes Me Feel” essay she’s supposed to write, but her math, science and music marks better be perfect.
How you FEEL is of no academic value or interest. But you BETTER be able to find the value of x, and transpose that C scale into G major.
50% of the solution here is going to be how we raise our daughters. We moms need to be part of that solution.
You sound like a good woman JB. I understand how you feel, about your kids future, and not just your sons, but your daughters. Everything looks peachy for the girls, except for one thing, their prospects of having a family and keeping that family together. A massive part of the problem is not just in them finding a guy, a great guy, who is willing to take the risk that marriage has become, which is huge, and will be worse in the future. The other problem is that there is nothing to protect your daughters from themselves. Absolute power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It’s not just a matter of teaching your daughters to be good women, and teaching your sons to be able to spot a bad one. That is the look after number one approach that men have been adopting since things starting to turn to shit. Things are going to get worse until enough people stand up and fight against feminism to start to turn the tide. By the time your son is looking to marry, the law may well be that once a man marries, he must transfer everything he owns into the woman’s name, and have his entire salary paid into her bank account On separation, he must leave with nothing but the clothes on his back, and continue to have most of salary paid directly to her, and is only to keep an allowance equal to unemployment benefits to live on. Becoming unemployed mean’s going to jail to work in government slave labor. Automatic restraining order is issued against him and all his family for her and the kids…….for life. No contact……ever.
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If that sounds impossible, you haven’t been watching the feminists boil the frog in water over the last 40 years.
Let me tell you how it feels to be a man in a marriage or defacto relationship and to be aware of the legal shit hole you are in now. It doesn’t matter how wonderful the woman you are with is, you feel like a prisoner, like you have no rights…….because you haven’t. You feel like a slave in the old south, if your woman is good, your feel like a slave with a good master, but a slave just the same. You are not free. You and I can walk outside on a beautiful sunny day, with the smell of spring in the air, and birds chirping and look at the scenery. You will see a beautiful day……I will see a nice view from my cell. You will smell the scent of flowers…….I smell only misandry. Do you understand what I’m saying. Your sons marriages are not going to be happy no matter who they marry, because they will be living in a cage no matter what the woman is like. With every disagreement they have with their wives, they will feel the power of the state present in the room….weather it’s what they are going to watch on TV, which side of the bed the clock sits on, weather the toilet seat is up or down, how money is spent, which school the kids go to, who does what in the house…………..every rule, every negotiation……..their input will be just token….and dismissed if she wants and it doesn’t matter if she doesn’t do that…….she can, and that is what takes away your right to assert yourself in anything.
You sons will not be happy with any women, regardless of what she is like. So training them to pick the odd good one out the pile of crap will only ensure they get a gold cage instead of a rusty iron one.
The most important thing to teach your sons,and daughters, is to fight against feminism, and relegate it to the dust bin, along with all the misandric laws it birthed.
You know the only difference between the way I feel, and the way your average male drone out there feels, is that I know what the laws are, and can see what is going on, and what will be if this isn’t turned around. But the MRM is going to make sure all those drones know too. We aren’t going to let them maintain their blissful ignorance. And when they do know, there wont be any happily married men, and there wont be any men hunting for your daughters hand. And if they should find one anyway, he wont be happy, so she won’t be either.
You know how a lot of animals wont bread in captivity. They have to create environments that trick the animals into believing they are free, or having no idea what freedom is. Well, men don’t do pretty much anything in captivity.
Sounds like you are speaking of Archi’s ‘niggger,’ Stu.
JB, I don’t think we have to worry about what kind of daughters you and Suz will raise. THEY will no doubt be those precious exceptions to the norm and will have no problem making wise choices of men in their lives. If anything, they’ll probably be overwhelmed by the choices they’re offered!
One of my good female friends, who would definitely call herself a feminist, has a logical and honest outlook on today’s dating market. She fully understands why good guys feel shafted. And she’s told her teenage daughters that “If you want to hook up with the most popular guys, you can, but they’re probably not going to stick around. If you want someone who will take care of you, they’re probably not going to be the guy all the other girls want.”
Your attention to math, science and music is good. Also teach them critical thinking skills – debate club might be useful.
I was always grateful that my only child was a boy. I didn’t understand *what* was wrong with how we raise girls, but I knew it was backward. When wondering how I would have raised a girl, I imagined a multi-faceted approach: Encourage all of the good things about femininity; compassion, modesty, empathy, while encouraging material independence as well. Teach a girl real skills which would build up her confidence, as opposed to her ego. Let her suffer the pain of being rejected by the herd, reminding her that herds are one step above lawless mobs, and that when she grows up, she will find more like-minded friends.
Also, even if you’re not devout Christians, acknowledge the wisdom in the Bible – show her that “virtuous, submissive, obedient” Biblical women were not weak mindless doormats; they managed their lives and their work so that their husbands didn’t have to do it for them. They contributed greatly to society and were rewarded for it.
To be honest, I used to feel sorry for any girl I might have raised – she would probably be a social outcast among her peers, but adults would love her.
It doesn’t matter how you raise them, well it does, but it makes no difference from the point of view that feminism will poison their relationships even if it doesn’t poison them. They wont be able to make their husbands happy because a man will not be able to be happy in the environment that feminists are creating.
There is no individual solution. No remedy that can counteract the feminist poison. Their relationships will be unhappy and will fail, because the men in their lives will be unhappy and fail.
The feminists are going to make sure the husbands feel subdued…..at all times. In their bed, in their job, in their school, while they sit at the dinner table, while they sit on the toilet…..taking a piss that is…yeah..sitting. There are no happy husbands in the future…..for your daughters……or for anybody.
I’ve had a saying I’ve been saying for many years when relatives or friends announce their engagements to me. When asked if I’m coming to the wedding…….I say nah……but I’ll be at the divorce. So far, in about 25 years, I’ve only been wrong once. Although there are some that have only got together in the last several years, I’m confident my pesimistic predictions will be realized at some point in the future. Every guy that tells me he’s getting married, or going to live with a woman, I tell them……”don’t do it” And I mean everyone. Even my sisters man. Oh yeah, I tell it like it is…..family get no breaks.
There is only one type of woman I can actually be happy for guy hooking up with, and that is MRAs. They are the only ones a man can be safe with, and not even all of them. Great housekeepers, so what. Shit hot bodes, who cares. Great at math, science, blah blah blah……big deal. The best deep throat BJs on the face of the earth…..pffft…..no wait……mmmm……nah…..pfffft. None of those things give you slightest indication of how much, or not, a woman will use the power that feminists have handed her on silver plate….none of it. The only thing that you can really gauge that by is if she is actually fighting against this tyranny. But even then, feminism is still going to poison your man.
I’ve just spent an hour or two having breakfast with a female neighbour. Single mother, 40′s, never married.
This woman would be delighted if I would get it on with her but there is no chance. I, like a lot of us, am a body fascist where women are concerned. This doesn’t mean that they have to be models, there are many and various types of beauty, but fat won’t do for me.
Character makes up for a lot but will generally result in the friendzone.
During todays encounter I was struck by her anger and bitterness at her lack of success in building a long term relationship. She has been resorting to craigslist and had a few encounters but it seems all the men she has met are only seeking an occasional fuckbuddy either being married or “too busy” for anything deeper.
Just as an experiment I decided to give her a slight taste of the thinking you’d be familiar with on this site.
I pointed out her dismissal of “nice guys” or as I put it, respectful and polite guys. (There was an interesting dimension here which I will save for another post.)
I also pointed out that blokes around her age have been subjected to a lifetime of feminist cant and have had to deal with both the entitled princess syndrome and the competitive misandry that is second nature to the current generation of women.
If they are married and have children they are likely to realise the peril that ending that relationship would put them in vis a vis their kids and their assets and are not going to want to rock the boat even if they are sick to the back teeth of their wives. Something that a lot of her “prospects” have indicated.
I asked her to imagine risking the loss of access to her son as the penalty for starting a new relationship. A point she completely understood having refused to seek any child support from her son’s father who lives abroad lest it cause him to seek or entitle him to access to the boy.
If her dates are divorced they are unlikely to want to reengage under the current legal structure.
If they have never been married they may be “redpill” already and unlikely to become suddenly dumb.
Hearing this she accepted the analysis and lamented the loss of marriage 1, noting that ours maybe the last generation to have predominantly grown up under that type of structure.
She spoke highly of her father, now deceased, and of how it was a warm and loving family environment that she had the good fortune to grow up in.
She longed for someone to come home to and to share life’s experiences with.
“That’s over, that’s just over for people of my age”
I normally feel some malicious delight when I see women “paying” for feminism. Today I was struck by a slight sadness in the realisation that many of these women are victims too, to a certain extent. Having been sold a crock of shit they are going to be paying from here to oblivion. Beyond a certain age their imprisonment in their unhappy circumstances is total.
A complicating feature here is that I don’t think she would ever have been the pick of the crop. She will have got by on a sunny disposition which, it would seem, is becoming somewhat harder to maintain in the face of having her hopes confounded.
She looks after her kid well, disciplines him reasonably, takes him places etc which shows in his demeanour and how well turned out he is.
Just like Warren Farrell’s “invisible” men there is perhaps a (comparatively smaller) strata of “invisible” women whose SMV has always been insufficient to foment a longer lasting relationship.
This was certainly true after the 1st world war due to losses of eligible males and this perverted sexual energy may have leant extra vigour to the suffragette movement.
As the lid is lifted on the cesspit of feminism and the edifice of fallacious “facts” upon which it is built comes crashing down the immense energy that will be unleashed in the roar of pain and anguish of those robbed of the prospects of happiness will be quite frightening.
If such women turn on feminism as being responsible for their unhappy state we may yet see Germaine Greer et al turn into pariahs.
In todays climate of misandry it seems implausible to suggest but there are an increasing number of females overtly attacking the poison theology.
I try to keep in mind there’s always multiple sides to a story. I have several male friends who did everything they were supposed to do to find a “good” woman and it all went up in flames when she got an itch to trade up. And, I have female friends who made sane and intelligent decisions with their dating life only to be bamboozled by an unscrupulous man.
On the other hand, it is really obvious which sex gets the benefit of the doubt in our society. And, clearly obvious which sex gets the blame.
Fair analysis ! They then extrapolate their personal experiences to characterize whatever bad that was caused to them as typical of the sex that offending person belongs to ! In a way this is understandable because it’s natural for everyone to be mildly narcissistic. But taken to the extremes it becomes a pathology.
Despite all the talk of individual liberties etc. I suspect most people are afraid of being INDIVIDUALS !
Greer will be in her grave before that happens, unfortunately. Jessica Valenti however, different story….
This article perfectly sums up what I see when I look out at most women. I see no benefit in getting together with one of them. At 28 years old, I’m perfectly happy to be alone to do as I please with my life.
The courtship game is really a zero sum game these days. A lot of people in my age group have already been married and divorced. No thanks. I don’t want any piece of it. Unless you find that rare “good” woman, it’s just not worth it. Even if you do find her, there’s always that ticking clock over your head, the knowledge that she can decide to leave at any time.
Yeah, it is what JTO calls ‘the gun in the room.’
I can empathize with your fears ! But things are bound to change,it’s the law of nature.
Seconding “The Evil Weasel” who wrote, “…that is probably the best rebuttal of feminism and the modern woman I have ever read.”
A lot of good articles on AVfM, but this is the first I’m printing out. One copy for my female peers who engage me in discussion and concede points from time to time but don’t get this as a systematic and systemic issue, another for my kids for when they are just a little older and are beginning to wrestle with these things on a personal level.
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Something about this post strikes me as a feminist in mra clothing. Can’t put my finger on it… (lol)
The writer is either or both of two things: (1) blue pill (2) splitting – that being a trait of people with BPD who reflexively see all things – or at least those things that trigger their feelings – as being this or that, black or white, good or evil, … so you know, a legitimate critique of women, not at all unlike routine critiques of men, can mean nothing other than that the author intends for women to be nothing more than fleshy baby factories you see.
Either way, blue pill or splitting, there’s no reason to grace it with a response.
Pretty obvious, isn’t it? You’d think these pathetic trolls would be just a bit more original. Then again, if they could be, they wouldn’t be shilling for the feminist angle.
Good, now tell us how you REALLY feel about Suz’ article.
Mmmmmmm…sexual meat. My tummy is growling.
Sex is bad, m’kay? Men and women who want sex and families in order to perpetuate human society are baaaad. Shameful. Hmmmm. Where have I heard all that before? Oh, yes…
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” – Jesus Christ, speaking in Luke 14:26.
And that is what the Bibo Sez.
Bless you!
Two categories of behavior. Sexual meat or education/travel. There is so much more than this. Read “Beyond Good and Evil” – it may help you move beyond this limited thinking.
Forget it, Bombay.
This is clearly an “Eat, Pray, Love” disciple.
The title were intended to be “Eat, Shit, Consume”, but the editors didn’t think it would come across that well…
Most women who postpone even thinking of marrying till near thirty do so because they want to be more than pieces of meat and want to treat others as more than that.
So spending your 20s sleeping around with multiple men is not being treated or treating others as pieces of meat? Your premise would only make sense if these women remained celibate until their 30s, which is practically NEVER the case. Young women today are being treated as pieces of meat more than ever before.
” Young women today are being treated as pieces of meat more than ever before. ”
But then that’s approved and certified by the ‘progressives’ .
It’s seen as a liberation from Patriarchal mores.
“Most women who postpone even thinking of marrying till near thirty do so because they want to be more than pieces of meat and want to treat others as more than that.”
OMG!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa!
@Choice
Don’t forget most men want nothing more than their woman chained to the stove, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen too…perferrably making a sandwich.
If women are nothing more than “sexual meat” and “baby factories”…I guess that makes men nothing more than “sperm donors” and “meal tickets”.
Both genders are just slaves (or partners) to the other, as it’s always been…until feminists convinced women they were the only REAL victim…because pregnancy is such a style cramper, a burden, inconvenient – - like men had some sort of patriarchal pact with God to make it so.
Fortunately for women, such men have increased numerically year by year.
And fortunately for those men, women like you, a woman who treated herself primarily as sexual meat and still does because she emphasizes being a mother, a sex role, over being a person, a non-sex role, are decreasing.
Please do humor us and provide links to reputable and reliable sources that back up your nonsensical assertions.
ROFLMAO! didn’t you know she is exempted from providing proof,her female intuition can sense the truth !
You didn’t catch the “this is not about my son” part, did you?
“The more they do, the less interested they are in becoming the pieces of meat…”
That’s what they all say. Then 80-90% contract virulent cases of baby rabies, and just KNOW that their lives will never be complete without children….and suddenly they no longer have the options they had when they were twenty-two.
…and they blame men. Thank you for giving us a living breathing example of the women I describe. Say hi to your cats for me.
..or some exotic pet in fashion !
She has fucked herself out of contention !
@Choice:
I take it that Jezebel received the link someone send over.
Thank you very much for an incredibly entertaining reply. I laughed so hard that the neighbors came over to see what was wrong, because they thought I’d finally lost it.
If you don’t mind, I’d like to make you a suggestion: You desperately need to look into the salaries of a stand up comedian, because you seriously have all it takes to make it big time.
If you don’t have anything better to do for the next couple of years, you know, before you get the baby rabies and turn into a drooling moron whenever you see an infant, I’d like to hire you on a weekly basis to come around and, you know, just be your delusional self for an hour or two.
Interested?
(Oh, btw, you might also want to brush up on your material, and go take a look at the marriage statistics. It needs some serious updating!)
@ Choice.
Holy crap. What are you? Twelve?
Your post is so dim witted it shoots way past the boring stage and flies right into its own orbit of sheer fascination.
God you’re stupid beyond repair you baby meat making sexual factories or whatever the word combo was.
Apart from that, Suz, thank you for this article.
“Sexual desire and love are emotions people have because they treat others and themselves as pieces of sexual meat.”
So, people who don’t do that are devoid of those things? Interesting.
So sexual desire/love = objectification, “treating as meat” as you say. So sexual attraction is baaaaad. Only evil men are attracted to women’s bodies. Good men are asexual and only want women for their personalities. We have a gender feminist here, people.
Oh the travel thing: finding yourself…. Right… taking a sabbatical from the sociology degree to fuck exotic men in exotic places. Mind expanding, indeed.
Fucking your way to enlightenment ! Nice way to combine fun with learning.The problem is this kind of learning doesn’t ever stop for many people.
Well, sexual desire is awesome, personally. XD It’s an amazing experience to be a mother, also, and it’s not as though you can’t enjoy sex and children and marriage while being valued as a person, too. =P
The letter was talking about how some women spend their younger years having sex with many men they won’t marry, while waiting to find the right one. That’s a little different that saying it’s bad to wait to get married. Although the letter did write it pretty crassly, I must say, and can see why you might be offended.
Done.
Printed out.
Thanks.
That was beautiful. Brings tears to my eyes. Freedom for men will be bittersweet. Sweet because men will finally fight for themselves. Bitter because there is nothing else worth fighting for.
I’ve seen the following in various versions around the internet:
“Men are boorish, sexist, and domineering. Men are lazy, unenlightened, and not good enough. Men are superfluous as fathers, potentially dangerous, and only good for their wallets. Men are….OMG! Why aren’t men marrying us!”
Who is crazy enough to want to be equal to those awful, nasty men? Um, feminists, I’d guess.
Nicely summarized!
Can it get any more insane?
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So we’re supposed to disregard every man hating law that has been put into place for the past 40 years, the drugging of boys in schools, the genital mutilation of millions of boys and men for profit, the vast majority of feminist rhetorics, along with more of the same from every media in the western hemisphere, because you and your girlfriends don’t talk about men that way??
I suddenly find myself speechless from the amount of ignorance displayed in that comment of yours. Well done. That doesn’t happen very often.
LOL. NMOMWFALK – Not me or my women friends are like that!
Yeah, time to close down the site and go home. News flash, there is small group of women somewhere that claim they are not like that…..mission complete.
I think I just blew a fuse..
The narcissist can have no other view….
No, you are wrong Choice. This is the bed you make for your daughters. Just like now, it is unthinkable for a woman to find a man to support and have a family, yes? And soon it will also be unthinkable for a man to find a woman to support and have a family. That is what happens here. For example, the latest statistics from the Pew Research Centre show (based on 18-34 year olds), to the question of importance of having a successful marriage, has increased for women from 28% to 37% from 1997 to 2011. For men has decreased from 35% to 29%. Your daughters will be crying themselves to sleep, but you just fail to see it.
@Choice : If I would write something about ‘The Truth’ the way you do, i probably would write under the name ‘choice’ as well.
I especially appreciated the part about ‘better educated’ and ‘travelled’. Thank you for enlightening me.
Thanks for holding the mirror up to a very ugly spector of society.
You have to understand, they take an Elitist view of mating. These are all things that, while happening to almost everyone else, won’t happen to them. They’ll be one of the lucky ones, their experience will be different. A potential life of loneliness is what happens to all the other girls, not her.
Independence/Empowerment Chic is rampantly popular among young women right now. Guys can’t change this and it’s useless to even try. And yet astoundingly these very same women, as they age, will STILL blame men for being the selfish ones.
The fissure that feminism has wrought between the sexes may never heal…now that men en masse are finally no longer denying it’s existence and walking away.
I could only smile and nod my head in agreement while reading that … Well done!
What a wonderful article. It explains exactly how I feel about my sons. In response to Choice and (her) snarky comment about how to know what your son will be like – both of my sons are handsome and universally considered physically appealing. It stands to reason they will continue to be so into adulthood.
We are raising them to attend college, and take on careers that challenge them. We came from being poor, and my husband and I have made a great life for ourselves. We expect the same from our children. It’s part of being a productive member of society.
So why wouldn’t my son be a catch? If it makes you feel better to denigrate that possibility, go ahead.
Doesn’t change the fact I feel about my sons exactly the way this article lays it out – you better not be a typical woman. My sons are better and deserve better than that, and if you think I won’t be warning them off – you are foolish. My husband got caught by one such as described, and he paid for it, as did the child that came from that ill fated relationship for years. Still is paying, and I don’t mean financially.
No child deserves that, no decent person does.
Fabulous article, Suz. I completely get where you’re coming from because I worry about this for my boys and they are no where near the point where they might marry.
Bravo! Unfortunately, those that really need to read this will skim it, and bitch about it, and move on, not having grasped a friggen thing.
This article was friggin’ righteous
“playing video games and living like frat boys in cheap apartments” is my life plan summed up
just walked out of my job so I can go part time and do just that
have realised after my first full year of singleness since early teens that without a woman, I’ve tons of free time and money that can just go on lil’ old me now 
Don’t breath that sigh of relief just yet. You still have to work with women, you still have to get on trains and buses with them. The woman in the apartment next door can point the finger at you and make accusations just as effectively as one living in your apartment with you. Just because you don’t marry and don’t live with a woman, don’t you go thinking feminism is not your problem……they are coming after you after they have driven all men out of families……they have too…..they will have nobody to leech off. That’s not just the parasitical women that won’t be able to get a guy and suck his blood, it’s the entire abuse industry…….what will they do for jobs. They have no choice but brand you an oppressor…….you…..living in your little apartment minding your own business…..getting on with you life……living frugally with not much money, and no power in the world at all……yep….they will have to paint you a monster somehow…..in order to turn you back into a slave. They are creeping up on you as we speak……the laws are on the drawing board right now…..they just haven’t worked out how to sell them to the sheeple yet……but you can bet your arse it will be via fear…..how to brand you a threat that must be dealt with….subdued…..controlled.
See if you can earn a little extra money, just so you can donate to the MRM.
“See if you can earn a little extra money, just so you can donate to the MRM.”
ROFLMAO! Nice sales pitch.
A very interesting article indeed.
Thanks Suz!
Suz …I have been posting on this site for about a month, and I can tell I have a certain way of expression that hasn’t been up to the mark … In your particular post you have mentioned everything I have attempted to transcribe on this blog (and more), and you have done in such a way that I am now redundant:)
Your critique is all that I ever wanted to say … Thank you!
Would I have permission to cut and paste your file into a word doc? It will give me a reminder there is no need for me to post further:)
I have two sons and if they ever ask me if they should marry I will show them your critique on modern womanhood … until I am asked I guess I will rely on their common sense …
Thanks again
I will continue to support AVfN financially …
This isn’t a site for intellectual academic snobs. You don’t have to be up to any standard except that you are supporting the push to regain rights for men, and put feminism where it belongs……in the dustbin of history.
Make comments when you feel like it. Nobody expects literary genius in the comments. You are another voice on our side, and valued.
“..put feminism where it belongs……in the dustbin of history. ”
That’s not enough,it should be incinerated. That would be the ultimate closure.
Solid article
Suz, Thank you for your candor!
Even though I am older, I too, am one of those cardboard cutouts. Somehow, I just knew you weren’t excluding potentially all men. I’ve seen this coming for a very long time.
I look forward to the time that men can open their eyes, be free to see the real truth, and take action based on what is truly best for them overall, not necessarily what brings them more sex and good graces of females and/or what makes their folks and friends happy.
I am certain real men of modern times can snap out of the stagnation-laced, wheel-spinning stupors that the older men try to force on them. It is time men see that it is not more manly to be herded and corralled into submission—whatever gets them accepted and liked.
Face it. Feminism is not successful because it is right. It is ignorant men who feed the beast every time they refuse to man up and be honest with women.
However, the men you speak of in your wonderful article, they are a stark minority. Thus, we must continue our fight to get men to open their eyes, look before they leap, and quit seeing the world through their penises (hard wiring/cop out/excuse/scapegoat —so that they won’t have to be responsible and change).
I’ve been called gay (even without a single fleeting inner gay-pleasure thought to justify it). I have been called a hater, degenerate, and a plethora of other slurs just because I refuse to stop owning, powering, and operating my own control panel—something I believe is required of real men these days. It seems feminists will stop at nothing to sequester and foil anything that does not stilt up their feelings and lies, that does not help them accomplish their mayhem full of synthetic replacements of just about everything everywhere for everybody!
While I sometimes get great comments from younger males such as, “Wow! How have you managed to be this smart all of your life” and so on…, but the sad truth is that these type men are drowned in a sea of men who still think women can do no wrong, and must be placed on pedestals, whose wits fly out their brains the instant a female approaches, and that all “real” men will get them a woman and have kids—regardless of how miserable it ends up making them. Thus, the majority of males belittle men like me even if it is silently with their eyes and other gestures.
Change men and boys, and we change the world.
Let us MRA’s put our heads together to find ingenious ways to accomplish this badly needed change! I believe it is the heart of our hope!
Your article is a start!
Thanks again.
Together, we stand a chance: apart, we will be erased!
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First, to dispense with the myth. There was NEVER a law that allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick. And in America, we have records dating back to the 1600′s of men being publicly flogged for beating their wives. Might want to fact-check yourself here. Second, feminism in its modern form has nothing to do with equal rights, or voting. Women did not seek universal suffrage, but campaigned for voting rights similar to men of the times, e.g. white land owners.
And yes, there are men who treat their wives badly. We got the memo. It was delivered in a convoy of semis a long time ago.
You should not be so threatened and intimidated by the struggles of men having 10 seconds on the stage alone. It makes you look selfish, narrow and petty.
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Shadow,
Assertion:
In the 1400′s a law was set forth in England that a man was allowed to beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb. Hence we have “The rule of thumb”
False:
The phrase, “rule of thumb,” comes from using your thumb to measure things – in most adults, the distance from the tip of the thumb to the first joint is about an inch.
There are a few legal cases where judges used the thumb or some other finger as a guide to how big of a stick the men could use (and contemporary accounts of others thinking those judges as barbarous). However, none of those legal cases appear to be associated with the phrase, “rule of thumb.”
In fact, all the cases listed come after some of the reported usages given in the other links below. This folk etymology appears to have originated in a NOW report by Del Martin, Battered Wives. If NOW says it then it’s true just like Marlboro says it’s cool to smoke tobacco as they have lots of money and they have done studies too.
For instance, the doctrine had been modified to allow the husband “the right to whip his wife, provided that he used a switch no bigger than his thumb” – a rule of thumb, so to speak. Get it? It was the doctrine and what was said was, “The rule of thumb”. Not the same as being ratified into law. So no, you are wrong. There never was this law.
This play on words was misinterpreted, and a new urban legend born.
http://tafkac.org/language/etymology/rule_of_thumb.html
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-rul1.htm
http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/more/489/
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Judge_Thumb.jpg
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No Shadow, you’re quote-mining that judgement. The judge in that single case from 1867 went on to say:
“Blackstone says “that the husband, by the old law, might give the wife moderate correction, for as he was to answer for her misbehavior, he ought to have the power to control her; but that in the polite reign of Charles the Second, this power of correction began to be doubted.” 1 Black 444. Wharton says, that by the ancient custom the husband possessed the power to chastise his wife; but that the tendency of courts is to regard the marital relation as no defense to a battery.
Chancellor Walworth says of such correction, that it is not authorized by the law of any civilized country; not indeed meaning that England is not civilized, but referring to the anomalous relics of barbarism which cleave to her jurisprudence. The old law of moderate correction has been questioned even in England, and has been repudiated in Ireland and Scotland. The old rule is approved in Mississippi, but it has met with but little favor elsewhere in the United States.”
Talk about the past as much as you like. You are the one now who has the legal right to beat your husband, and then have him thrown out of the house because you beat him. You are the one who has the right to steal everything he owns, because you have become bored with him. You are the one that has the right to demand sex, love, affection from him, and call it abuse if he denies you. You are the one that can call it abuse, or rape if he thinks he has any such rights himself.
I could go on and on, but I’d need a few rolls of toilet paper to print it all on. Just which one of these grievances do you think we are going to far complaining about.
I don’t give a toss what has supposed to have happened in the past……i don’t live there, and neither do you. I am responsible for what I do, only me, not any other individual that exists now, or in the past……me only…..get that memo? Right now, as in the time I live, and you live, we have a culture where women can drug a man, chop off his cock, and the world laughs. Not just a few women, practically all of them. Violence by women, against men for any reason, or no reason, is seen as comedy. But we have laws that make it crime for a man to verbally argue with his wife.
Do you see men laughing the world over, when a women gets mutilated by a man……everyone from politicians to the average guy in the street? Was there ever a time when things were like that? No, never.
Does it upset you that men are starting to call bullshit on focusing on a woman’s broken fingernail ahead of a man’s broken back? Too bad, you’re going to see the MRM grow like weeds on steroids until it’s all around you, in the air you breath. Enjoy
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“What most the people here apparently fail to realize is that bigotry goes both ways and what the world really needs is a little grace and acceptance.”
Okay. I will then be expecting to see you grrlz start voting against VAWA, bigotry in any media, feminism in any shape or form, sole custody to mothers, male genital mutilations, drugging of boys in the schools, males only on the frontlines, man hating in general, and we will then discuss this further when those things are gone.
That’s just for starters, and excuse me for not holding my breath while I wait…
Maybe part of the problem is you thinking your vote is going to make any kind of difference. I know there are people who are not american and do not live in america on this site. This is not to you. We, as americans, are a bunch of spineless whimpering fools who mostly do what we are told and are dumb enough to believe what politicians tell us. And no, putting your whimpering on sites like these does not equal you making a difference. You are not even trying to make a difference. You are sitting behind a computer whimpering with like minded people. So please excuse while I laugh at you as you sit so proudly on your horse.
You said you don’t have the right to do the things I said, but you do, the legal system grants you those rights.
End of story.
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No, not end actually. Your comments about who should be married, or if I should be or not blah blah. Funny you should mention that, because I’m not married, I’m in defacto relationship. About 2 years ago, the government, headed by a women prime minister here, decided to make a law that made defacto relationships exactly like marriage in every legal respect, including having to go through the family court for disputes concerning property instead of the magistrates court, or civil courts as previous. My wife and I had our arrangement, we had our deal between ourselves, but I was forced into a shotgun wedding by a bunch of feminist politicians who bribed the greens to vote to get the extra votes they needed to pass it, by offering them some green deal in return. All this crap about women in third world countries being forced into marriages that they didn’t agree too, that is what feminists are doing to men right here in western countries.
There was not one debate on this new law, only lobbying by feminists. I go to bed one night owning my house and other assets, and wake up the next day and the family court now has control over who gets what in the event of a split. And we all know who the family court looks after.
It doesn’t matter if your a good woman or not Shadow. It doesn’t matter how many good women are out there. The shit women are being given total control of everything in relationships along with the good ones. If believe in equality, then stop looking for mole hills to complain about for women and start putting your efforts where your mouth is and fight to illuminate these misandric laws. If not, we are not interested in hearing your complaints about us. This is the men’s movement, everywhere else is the woman’s movement.
And yes, I could improve greatly in my writing. I started work when I was 16 and nine months old, in a foundry, working with steel. Perhaps I could get my sister to help, she has two degrees, we were raised by a single feminist mother. Hey, but I’ve lost two houses in two previous marriages, and I’ve still managed to own two more now, paid off……now if the family court will allow me to keep them, I’ll be ok. My sis, at 40yo, had nothing but debt to show for her life. So she got accidentally duffed by a guy with a nice house and nice car and good job, and moved in with him. How wonderful feminism is.
Point me to a way that I can actually make a difference for anyone who is losing their rights and I honestly will do what I can.
Have you read this site???
And btw, are you “shadow” the manbooblet?
You are boring and so are your lies! Is that clear enough for you?
” Feminism is not totally bad ”
This is just an illusion created by cunning PR work.
In reality it’s corrupt to the core and a time bomb which will ultimately destroy civilization.
” Unless you are going to try to tell me that I do not have the right to vote or have a job and my husband can beat me with a stick whenever he wants to.”
You have been sold a dummy!
It’s governments that give you civil rights, not ideologies or religions.
” There are also men who seriously abuse their spouses and children and the children of others too. There are also some who will look at women the same way financially as you accuse women of looking at men. ”
Yes! But the point is women are able get away with this whereas the men can’t. Law makes exceptions for them on dubious grounds.
Suz, or anyone, can you please tell me what a 2A proponent is? Ta!
Second amendment; the right to bear arms.
Hell yeah Suz. Great article.
The last paragraph in particular shows the brutal effectiveness of MGTOW versus feminism. Cats, Facebook and vibrators are seen as a fail state by feminists; but an awesome dog, trusted friends and plain old Internet porn are _preferable_ compared to the options available (a fitting for a collar). I’d rather live a life where I attend to my needs and desires rather than get whipped to earn money that I can’t spend, to feed children that I never see, and pay for a house that I don’t live in.
If that’s the options, men will sick with Wolfie and their life long friends.
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As with a lot of women who come here to comment against the thread topic, you have also missed the point and don’t even know what you are saying in your own post.
In your second paragraph, you have spelt out the symptoms that have occurred in society, are actually from society suffering over 40 years of radical (Marxist) feminism.
If only you and your boyfriend would do a little research, you would already know the answers and that what you stated has been a direct result of the invasion of ‘ALL WESTERN CULTURES’ of a Marxist political system, dogma, ideology or whatever you want to call it. It’s main aim was to destablise then destroy society as we know it.
They have all but succeeded!
This feminism has had nothing to do with women’s equal rights, yet the vast majority of women in society do in fact go along with much of the ideology, even if they don’t openly support it or call themselves feminists.
And as for your shot at the so-called ‘Fat’ism’ going on here in this thread, please answer this question.
It is agreed that feminists today come in a range of sizes and shapes, both good looks and otherwise, but please tell me, why is it that there is an OVER representation of fat ugly women spewing out all kinds of abuse, hatred and filthy language aimed at all men and boys??
Please answer that question?
If fat ugly women don’t wish to be targeted in anyway by this site or by any MRA, please tell them all to just shut up, stop spewing their hatred of men and boys, then we will all get along just fine.
Turn around, right now, and ask your boyfriend if and when he’s going to *marry* you, to love you FOREVER.
“I don’t doubt this insecurity contributes to the desire for a perfect mate, and this kind of delusion about reality that keeps them from accepting their imperfections.”
Wrong.
What it contributes to is a lifelong hatred of all males in general, when they’re being rejected by the one they find “worthy”. It doesn’t matter if it’s because of their perceived imperfections or not.
Mostly those rejections are a consequence of a real shitty personality nowadays. Or a completely overblown perception of self worth, but that never seems to enter their minds as a possibility.
It’s all about looks for some reason, even though they at the same time boldly claims, that men will fuck anything with a pulse. Apparently not, it would seem. Even men have a limit to what they will put up with, obviously.
Many of these girls handle rejections so poorly, that they slip into minor depressions, and even more fixation on their looks. And in many cases that leads straight to obesity, when they start substituting food with the affection and sex they’re not receiving, because of their entitled personalities. Personalities that makes it okay to make outrageous demands for themselves, without anything to offer in return, whatsoever.
Which in turn then are blamed on men once again, until it becomes a vicious circle that they seem incapable of breaking out of.
Along comes feminism and supplies them with everything they need to take that hatred to new dimensions, instead of taking a realistic view of themselves as persons, and they then spend a huge amount of time the rest of their lives spreading even more hatred, while they grow fatter, more bitter and unattractive for each passing day, and secretly mourn what they’ve become.
I seriously pity these women, but I feel even more sad about the young girls who continously keeps falling into the same feminist trap, genereration after generation, while they create even more broken homes, and more entitlement princesses raised in single mother households, without the mature guidance from someone of the opposite sex, because those same single mothers have created boys that have been taught to loathe themselves.
The trouble with too many very attractive women;
All show – no go
Looks don’t make up for a brain the size of a peanut, and an ego the size of a major asteroid.
Never did, never will.
Touché, Touché
” Mostly those rejections are a consequence of a real shitty personality nowadays. Or a completely overblown perception of self worth, but that never seems to enter their minds as a possibility. ”
They would rather commit suicide than accept this !
Thanks grrrlz, for clarifying the fact that Not All Women Are Like That. I hadn’t noticed. Oh wait, yes I had. It’s the last sentence of my post.
You can learn a lot if you STFU and observe. If you *want* to learn, grab your water wings because you’re swimming in the deep end of the pool. Otherwise please take your circular logic over to Jezebel or boobzie’s place.
I can’t understand why some people have reservations about female MRA s. Probably it’s the trust deficit brought about by the perceived general behaviour of females these days that is responsible for the paranoia. I would think they are very valuable allies in this noble mission of FTSU of the feminists as they would have a better understanding of their dark inner secrets that are causing all this shit in the first place.
I think it’s purely ignorance that gives people these reservations; some of that intentional. Either they haven’t opened their eyes and seen the world as it is, yet, and are only beginning to understand, or they just don’t want to see the truth because it’s too scary for them.
“I seriously pity these women, but I feel even more sad about the young girls who continously keeps falling into the same feminist trap, genereration after generation, while they create even more broken homes, and more entitlement princesses raised in single mother households, without the mature guidance from someone of the opposite sex, because those same single mothers have created boys that have been taught to loathe themselves.”
What a legacy ! One thing is for sure ALA this trend continues manginas are not going to be extinct!
Islam for Europe[Sweden in particular] may not be a bad idea after all ! roflmao!
SUZ & JudgyBitch you are awesome. Keep up your good work !
In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
I’d be interested to know why the person who ticks the red box on these comments is in disagreement with everybody? Are you a troll or do you have an intellectual argument to offer as to why you disagree?
Drive-by troll, tinted windows.
Translated into Hungarian and published on my blog:
http://huffnagel.blog.hu/2013/01/28/egy_amerikai_anya_nevtelen_levele_jovobeli_menyehez
Thank you, Suz!
Cool! Thank YOU!
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Well, Peter, if that’s true, they are certainly the exception, not the rule. My 1st wife is also a successful lawyer and we were “apparently” happy for over 11 years. We had planned right from the start that I was to be the one to stay home with the kids (when needed), and knew that she would be a better earner than me, because I was a writer and artist. Until she just couldn’t handle that she made more money than me. C’est la vie.
” if that’s true”
LOL! Smart man ! You gradually develop that skill of recognizing ad hoc stories.
Thanks!
Good for you Peter, so your example proves that there is not a problem in the world, and because you have a daughter there will be no problems for you. If you had a son the situation could be massively different, but don’t you worry about that, fuck everyone else.
“all are lawyers, where you eat what you kill”
Where you eat what you kill? What is it your daughter kills, Dad?
Innocent men?
Yes, but even though your sons-in-law earn a bit less than your daughters, they’re still lawyers, so that probably provides just enough disincentive for your daughters to press self-destruct on their families.
LMFAO! They know too much of each other’s dirty tricks.
I missed the entire month of January, so thank you for bringing it to the forefront…
I missed a lot.
My son is getting married this year.
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Amour, I would ask you to open your heart to see the danger awaiting boys and men in this misandric culture. Just pretending all is well and retreating into one’s happy space is a recipe for disaster for males in this age.
Your advice to just give everyone a metaphorical group hug would likely land males with a sexual assault charge. Suz is a wise woman.
You misread quite a bit. 12-20 year olds? More like 18-30. It is not merely a criticism, it is also a warning. It is me holding up a mirror and asking if they like what they see. It is me telling them (likely for the first time in their lives) that they have been lied to by their parents, their teachers, the media and their peers. Perhaps you should read it again.
It’s always interesting to see how people to react to posts like this. What they hone in on and what they completely ignore, says a lot about them.
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Feel free to pretend it’s all about me; that’s a pretty standard female response. Want to know something scary? This post, here and originally on my blog, has been all over the web, read by many many thousands of men and women. The vast majority of men LOVED IT. Unlike women, who are violently resistant to looking around and recognizing “these women,” men DO look around, and they see “these women” every day.
And they don’t like what they see. Your shallow opinions about me and my “anger,” are totally irrelevant to the facts I put forth.
” ..that’s a pretty standard female response. ”
This must have been the genesis of the ‘banging your head against the wall ‘ smiley !
Armour, you want to hear about female anger towards feminism and post-modernism – here it is:
What we are doing to young women by lying to them is creating a permanent underclass who will vote based on the state supporting them without thinking of the wider ethical principles of law. There is no value given to strong moral parenting at any level of government run organisations. Down stream consequence: status quo maintained.
On a personal level: I am likely to have a permanently stressed partner whose daughters will never be able to support themselves as adults, because the state has castrated his ability to teach these moral values, by letting his psycho ex wife get away with repeated breaches in the parenting order. Do we collude and support them? What about his future grandchildren?
I’m the decendant of a suffragist. I’m the daughter of a 2nd wave feminist. My mother has abandoned feminism because of the failure to promote personal responsibility and the rise of victim culture, and I suspect my great-grandmother would be writing for AVfM if she were alive today.
” I’m the descendant of a suffragist. I’m the daughter of a 2nd wave feminist. My mother has abandoned feminism because of the failure to promote personal responsibility and the rise of victim culture, and I suspect my great-grandmother would be writing for AVfM if she were alive today. ”
Unimpeachable credentials !
” The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
What a hell it has turned out to be !
But what takes the cake is the extent of denial.
Whether it is due to ignorance or sheer stupidity is difficult to say.
The discussions of this article around the web – all over the world, have been a real education for me. So. Many. Men. – were blown away, and I’ve lost count of how many of them couldn’t even believe it was written by a woman.
But most of the women – OMG! Every dodge/distraction/deflection in the book. I have Oedipal issues, I’m a helicopter mom (and conversely “she doesn’t even know her son’s major!”) NAWALT, men are fill-in-the-blank-too. I’m a bitter, angry misogynist, they feel “sorry” for me and everybody who knows me. I must be a Christian Fundie (oh does that one make me laugh!) I want women’s suffrage to be repealed… The Rationalization Hamster on meth – Team Fem will clearly do or say ANYTHING to attack the messenger, and make it about me personally, or about them personally, rather than sit quietly and even CONSIDER (let alone address) the message itself.
It is not a bad thing that women are naturally more prone to openly expressing our emotions, nor is it bad that our hormones cause our emotions to be so variable. It is, however, VERY bad that our culture no longer insists that women consider the real-life consequences of *how* we express our emotions, nor does it insist that we do anything about our “problems” except complain until some man (or more commonly the government) solves them to our personal satisfaction.
I couldn’t care less about the insults hurled at me over this article; indeed I find most of them amusing or pathetic. What I do care about though, is that modern women routinely hurl insults *instead of* addressing facts, as if hurling insults *is* addressing facts. Modern women can get away with ignoring and evading facts and reality, because someone else (that would be men) is keeping us safe and secure – and we don’t even realize it! Exactly like young children, we women are almost universally unaware that thanks in large part to men, “reality” is now only very rarely deadly dangerous to women.
I feel for her granddaughters too, because Suz has a son and there is a huge chance that he will get shafted in Family Court.
Which will mean that being the paternal grandmother she will likely never even see them, let alone talk about blogs.
You are ignoring so much. And as externalangst says above, a group hug will solve exactly squat.
As for this “I doubt your seriousness for this cause”
Let me ask you something, what the hell have you done for the cause, you do not even understand what it is.
Holding my tongue here, deep breath, in out !!!
I went back and read your post again, not once but twice, and it really does come off as if you think it’s the writer who is blaming 12 to 20-year-olds. Maybe you need to be more clear in your writing.
And as a man, I do see the kind of women that are written about in that post on a regular basis. They disappoint me very much.
She flung a bunch of random shit in my general direction, hoping that some of it would stick. She was called out on it so now she has to backpedal with some variation of, “That’s what I said but it’s not what I meant.”
She now has four options:
1. Continue in the same vein, only louder and with naked vitriol.
2. Debate sincerely and calmly, using logic.
3. Slink away with her tail between her legs.
4. Flounce away with a flip of the hair, since it was obviously a mistake for a person of her high caliber to temporarily associate with such mean people as us.
@ Suz Whenever someone says that I am being an alarmist about the relationships between the sexes i will link him to this post !
But looks like this madness has always existed among us albeit without social approval.Feminism has merely got it approved on the grounds of ‘historical oppression’ of women. But sane voices had warned society about what’s being played out today.
I often wonder that the modern woman does not perceive that she is killing the goose that lays the golden egg by her attitude toward men. By which I mean to say that it is women themselves who are destroying the things that they value most in life. It is women’s hands that are tearing to tatters the chiffons of romance and sentiment and idealism in which men have always clothed them. It is women who are stifling tenderness and slaying chivalry in the hearts of men. It is women who are doing away with all the graces and sweetnesses that made charm in the relationship between men and women and that incidentally lured men into matrimony.
Man! Was she prophetic !
http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.in/2012/05/mgotw-in-1929.html
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http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/to-the-nice-feminists/
Oh look, another Rationalization Hamster whose head just exploded. “CLEAN-UP ON AISLE SIX.”
Sweetie, do you know what NAWALT stands for? “Not All Women Are Like That.” It has been shortened to an acronym because we see it every single day. Several times (“several” being an understatement.) Do you know how we answer it? Here’s a little sampling:
1. Paul’s response above.
2. Who said they are?
3. So?
4. And your point is—?
5. We’re not discussing the women who aren’t, we’re discussing the women who are. Get back on topic or GTFO.
6. Bite me.
Now please go have a nice day.
It’s as if she’s the only “real woman” who ever graced this site with her presence. It’s too bad the novelty has faded with her kind.
5. We’re not discussing the women who aren’t, we’re discussing the women who are. Get back on topic or GTFO.
But according to most of the people on this site there are no women who aren’t. So by the reasoning that seems to shine through your own words, you are exactly what you claim to speak against. Since apparently every single woman is like that and anyone who tries to argue on this site otherwise gets their heads automatically ripped off you are a whore, a man user, and part of what is wrong with the world. (it’s your article, add the rest of your description yourself.)
But according to most of the people on this site there are no women who aren’t.
How did you arrive at this conclusion ?
Pretty easily. I read what the article and comments say. I saw all the places that say “women are…” Not “some women” not even “most women”. I read the comments to anyone who dares to say they even think there might be a woman out there that isn’t a evil, idiotic, bitch. The ones where they are immediately cussed out in some cases, but nobody even treats them as if they could have a valid argument, they are simply abused.
You’re absolutely right.
We all think there are no women, ever, capable of understanding and sympathizing with men’s vulnerabilities.
None. Nada.
In fact there are no women even capable of recognizing that no women are capable of understanding and sympathizing with men’s vulnerabilities.
None. Nada.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to disappear in a puff of logic.
Shadow, you are a Booblet, aren’t you?
Suzanne McCarley, so, you’re using the same juvenile tatics as everyone else when they realize they don’t have an actual answer, you fling some insult, that you made up yourself, in my direction.
Not in the least. It’s not a “made-up” insult, it’s a perfectly logical insult. You are commenting in precisely the style of a Manboobz follower – dodges, distractions, and accusations based on false assumptions stemming from faulty logic derived from selective reading and biased interpretations yada yada yada.
At best you’re disingenuous, but mostly you’re full of shit.
@ shadow
“Suzanne McCarley, so, you’re using the same juvenile tatics as everyone else when they realize they don’t have an actual answer, you fling some insult, that you made up yourself, in my direction.”
In using the words “everyone else”…what have you done?
(Assessed reply for unconscious juvenile tatics (sic) and found none)
“Oh look, another Rationalization Hamster whose head just exploded. “CLEAN-UP ON AISLE SIX.””
!
Next…
“if you hate this Modern Woman So Much remember that you had a pivotal role in her Creation.”
just GTFO
..and let the door thump you on your ass on your way out and accelerate your exit !
Exactly.
“Next time you think feminism is another manipulative agenda of malicious women, remember that there are women out there who are desperately fighting for a proper cause under this banner.”
*
Please define “proper cause”.
If you cannot or will not, then by default, it becomes just more empty feminist rhetoric (from a manipulative and malicious feminist, masquerading as “an actual “modern woman””).
“proper cause” is most likely just another bullshit rationalization that people who consider themselves “moderate feminists” use to justify their beliefs of a discredited ideology. If they honestly gave a shit about being proper, they’d make an objective analysis and realise that that women have far more rights and privileges than men, equal opportunity is not the same as equal outcome and thusly that the basis of western feminism doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
Sadly our society teaches people that women equal good, men equal bad, your feelings mean more than facts and since feminism claims to be for “equal rights” (for only one gender, lol) that it must be a good thing.
@Evenstar03
Recently, I read a book written about WWII authored by a German solider and Nazi. He writes that he fought for his fatherland, was not aware of the Nazi atrocities and that the news he heard was very controlled. In pre internet/TV times that does not seem unreasonable. From his book, he seemed to be a very conscientious man who would have disowned the Nazi party if he was not kept in the dark. Apparently, not all people who flew under the Nazi banner were “bad” people.
In this age of internet/information, what excuse do you have for flying under the feminist banner?
So, so, so true it physically hurts. I was born in 86, and thus grew up in the ’90s during the second hippy movement, and third [?] wave of feminism and all I heard around me during my time in grade school was that ‘girls are better than boys’, ‘girls are smarter than boys’, the ol’ “boys are from Jupiter…” rhyme, and of course the oft spouting of ‘GRRRL POWER!’ as spewed by the Spice Girls and their fans that existed in and around my age group.
Since at least the age of 8, those catchphrases, and many more, had been hammered into my head time and time again. Of course, I was smart enough to take it all with a grain of salt, but that doesn’t mean it had affected me negatively as I got older. Obviously, those girls I went to school with back then are the same age as I am now, but their mentality had changed very little since then. It became very obvious that women/girls had received a more than necessary amount of empowerment that got to their heads, inflating their egos to the point that door frames should be made 3 feet taller and wider to accommodate their bigheadedness. After all, they’re girls, and they deserve it right?
It has lead me to the train of thought I’ve been on for the last 5 years or so that has me believing that there’s no point in pursuing a relationship, as the only plus side would be the occasional sex that will inevitably dwindle and vanish once she gets tired of the nice guy routine, leaving me emotionally and psychologically unfulfilled because the feminism movement has taught them to believe that I, as a man, should be the provider, the crying shoulder and the ever sympathetic ear to her problems, and that whatever I have to say regarding my own thoughts and emotions do not matter… because I am a male.
To the author of this article; I thank you for saying what we guys have been thinking/saying for a long-assed time, but had been ignored solely because of our gender. Perhaps your words will garner some… any consideration where our words have only fallen on deaf ears, have been responded to with laughter or straight up disbelief.
So when i first read this, it really hit home and resonated, and i was initially compelled to congratulate this amazing woman on her clarity of perception, as well as her honesty. I feel as though something i’ve seen most of my life, has finally been effectively verbalized.
But then i took a break and sort of passively pondered it for a while… and that initial excitement has faded… leaving an aching, depressive void.
She’s right on.
To over-simplify and summarize: feminists have ruined the world! At least, my particular experience of it. Sure, i’m just one of billions of apparently irrelevant males… but i am a +1 for the count of men whose lives were severely diminished by, essentially, people playing games.
There is much i feel inclined to say on this particular topic, but it’s completely useless. The damage is already done, and no amount of words can repair lost time. Besides, i don’t seem to have much energy for dealing with the world’s completely arbitrary problems, these days. Life lacks luster, meaning, value, without the chance to experience mutually cherished companionship.
Statistically, this son is more likely to drop out of college and work meaningless sales jobs his entire life, whilst playing video games and getting baked with his friends. I’m a white male who teaches in higher ed and I can attest to the fact that it isn’t men who have their stuff together – it’s women. 65% of my classes are female, and it’s predicted that by 2017, this number will be 67% across the board. Bros before hoes and what not, but our society is facing an impending social disaster related to men who refuse to assume traditional roles of father and spouse. Can’t argue with some of the points made here about women, but you could just have easily written this from the daughter’s perspective.
Kenneth:
“Statistically, this son is more likely to drop out of college and work meaningless sales jobs his entire life, whilst playing video games and getting baked with his friends.”
Wow.
I am astounded by your ability to state one of the primary points of this article, while missing it entirely. You didn’t have to tell us you’re in higher education; it’s obvious. Your assumption that the problem lies with males themselves
“Bros before hoes and what not, but our society is facing an impending social disaster related to men who refuse to assume traditional roles of father and spouse.”
is quite telling. You are so immersed in the female=blameless/male=blameworthy mentality, you can’t even see the sickening irony in your own words.
These young men have been raised from infancy to believe, either consciously or subconsciously, that their masculinity is a defect which needs to be corrected. They have few or no “whole” well-rounded masculine role models from whom they can learn to be men. (They have pussy-whipped manginas like you as role models.) Instead they face a growing mountain of obligations (“traditional roles”) which to them appear entirely arbitrary and capricious. Those obligations have become abstract concepts because they now exist in a vacuum instead of as a reasonable part of a social contract – the social contract destroyed by feminism.
Feminism has absolved girls and women of as much obligation as it possibly can, while at the same time demanding MORE obligation of boys and men. And you sit there shaking your head in judgement of males who won’t or can’t Man Up and carry that burden?
Fuck you and the unicorn you rode in on.