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Reminder challenge to PZ Myers

Challenge issued July 17, 2012 : http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/if-you-cant-fight-wear-a-big-hat/

To the NICE feminists : http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/to-the-nice-feminists/

Pee Zed’s “counter argument” LOLZ : http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/11/07/exterminate/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/radfem-hub-the-underbelly-of-a-hate-movement/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/when-is-a-death-threat-funny/

5 Comments

  1. PZ Myers, icon of rational thought, can’t even add two and two to get four if it means departing from what he thinks female feminists want to hear.

    What a fraud.


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    • His main claim to fame as a “scientist” is getting something published in the world’s most prestigious scientific journal, namely, Science.

      The problem being that all it was was an angry screed about Creationism, a subject on which he is so obsessed he will dub anyone and everyone who ever questions any facet of current evolutionary thinking a “creationist.” Fuckwit even called me one even though I was an atheist and all I said was “running to court to ban the idiocy of so-called Creation Science from the schools does more harm than good” and “hey, when there are holes in evolutionary theory, just go ahead and acknowledge them, that’s how you make progress.” That was almost ten years ago that fuckwit did that to me, but I never forgot.

      He’s incredibly intellectually shallow and a titanic bully. Ultimately, I think he’s probably just an aspie with seriously bad social skills who, now in his late middle age and a man of no particularly great accomplishments besides bloviating and some mediocre science work, now seeks to be The One Good Man surrounded by his little harem of young empty-headed third wave feminists. It’s really rather pathetic.

      I normally refuse to indulge in ad hominem and armchair psychoanlyzing of people I criticize, trying to instead engage their ideas head on, but really, this guy is such an embarrassment to his entire profession it’s hard not to just call a spade a spade and move on.

      (What, if the shallow intellectual coward even responds at all he’ll call that a racist remark or some shit.)


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      • Well, not all of us Aspies are such poor socialites, at least. Strange that one of the Darwinians would take up the feminist cause so unswervingly.


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  2. 20sides

    I had to come back to this. Am I the only one who finds people who title themselves, ‘freethinkers,’ incredibly off-putting? If you’re coming to your own conclusions, it should be made obvious through your reasoned arguments. One shouldn’t need a laminate.


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  3. Jay

    Hey John,

    Since I love to give other people suggestions and criticisms, my criticism of this, if you had issued it to me, is that it would be difficult for a person to know just how high a bar that is, or how sincere or intellectually honest you are about that.

    And I, personally, am not suggesting that you are anything other than sincere and intellectually honest. I am saying that if I were PZ, it sounds like a lot of work to reach an uncertain goal of uncertain worth, and he and others can’t tell if that goal is achievable in any manner or won’t just be Lucy’s football.

    I think that’s why the traditional format of debate works better. Take you out of the judging panel and put in a group of Internet viewers, and any viewer.

    If/when you reissue this, my suggestion (see I love telling people what they should be doing) is to debate over Google Hangouts or Blogging Heads or plain-old-YouTube some issue, and then let people see for themselves who’s argument was better and let them decide if they were persuaded.

    Intelligence Squared seems to poll their audience before a debate and after the debate in order to determine how persuasive the debate was.

    I do, very much, like your asking the question, (apologies if my paraphrase is wrong) “what evidence would you need to prove this was a civil rights movement.”

    That might be a good subject either for a Blogging Heads or Google Hangouts or YouTube exchange.

    How can PZ consider himself an intellectually honest skeptic, an intellectually honest feminist, if he refuses to engage and examine the people that disagree with contemporary feminism straight on?

    How is PZ or any of the Free Thought Bloggers, Skepchics, or almost any feminist any different from an ostrich? How does refusal to take dissenters on in honest debate judged by others have anything to do with what they claim skepticism is about?

    (Also, I really appreciate how you make your videos snappy and move along by editing out the pauses, etc.)


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