Quoth AVfM Senior Editor Asha James:
“If you don’t believe in patriarchy theory, you’re not a feminist.
“If you believe in patriarchy theory then you believe that men, throughout history, ‘oppressed’ their wives, mothers, sisters and daughters in ways comparable to racism and classism. Except that, obviously, men oppressed their relatives rather then an ethnic, racial or cultural other.
“If you believe men are capable of creating a system expressly for the purpose of oppressing the people they have their most intimate relationships with then you believe men are sociopaths.
“How are men supposed to work with a group of people who deny their humanity?”
After you’re done watching this, you might want to see her humorous addendum, and her addendum to the addendum then go subscribe to her YouTube channel, Typhon Blue/Genderratic.
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Great vid Typhon.
Pity the idiots who believe the ‘patriarchy theory’ haven’t been endowed with enough grey matter to absorb any of this message.
We should try to garner some one liners from this and put them on some stickers.
Who’s worse? Female feminists that hate men because they believe that men hate women or
Male feminists who ascribe to Patriarchy theory that men hate women?
Since male feminists obviously relate to Patriarchy theory deeply – and believe it to be true; they should stand up, apologize and leave the room. They are men who believe that men hate women after all.
This is called projection. Most manginas at some point of time probably either had a deep seated hatred/fear for/of women, or they did something wrong to some woman for which they felt guilty. Now, they project their feelings on to all the men, that is, they feel that all men must have done something similar. To get rid of their own feelings of guilt and to make themselves look like a normal human being again, they now choose to demonize the male sexuality entirely, so that women can see that they’re not like the other men. In short, manginas have psychological issues (‘maleness-issues’, if you will, cf mommy-issues, daddy-issues, etc).
Hey dhanu I think your on to something. There was this group in Oz called ‘men against violence against women’. The looked like the biggest, nastiest bunch of thugs imaginable. It was pretty clear they had previously done violence to both men and women.
Yet they were only renouncing their violence against women; not men. So apparently, while their violence against men was fine, their previous violence against women was explained and excused by an innate male violence against women that all other men were equally responsible.
They projected their own thuggishness on to every other man rather than take responsibility for it themselves. It is said that viciousness and cowardice go together.
Then you will be most impressed to learn that “Chopper” Read did some television DV ads about six years ago. If you hit a woman he offers to break your neck.
http://standyourground.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=c707af6016d5388858199aea066beb99&topic=9207.0
Projection. Correct. The “patriarchy” serves as a perfect description for how things would be were women running the show. It is a female conceptualisation of how power works among men created by those whose feminism comes with a built in set of blinkers. Feminists are the least equipped to analyse anything to do with men.
TB,
I had a disturbing thought listening to this video.
In it you say that being a feminist means believing in patriarchy theory. In turn that believing in patriarchy theory means the belief that men having their most intimate relationships throughout history :
“with their wives, sisters, mothers, daughters”.
“So feminist theory proposes that men are willing to oppress the people they are closest to. That means that feminist theory asserts that men are sociopaths.”
Now whilst I agree with you that such feminist ideas are hateful and should have no place in a civilized society, there’s an irony to what you’re saying.
For it strikes me that in the western world certainly millions of women have swallowed the feminist meme and have then been instrumental in supporting politicians who have put in place draconian misandric laws.
So it follows that millions of women who in their closest relationships with husbands, brothers, fathers, sons, have oppressed men. In that case following their kind of logic it is they, not men who earn the title sociopaths.
Overstating the case, I think. There’s feminists who believe in patriarchy theory but who think that the answer is consciousness-raising among the men. Men don’t have to consciously create the system to participate in it, and needn’t make a deliberate choice do do so.
Addressed in this video:
Thank you.
The feminist view you enunciate that –
Your views don’t count as you’re a patriarch, “Just listen, and do as you’re told”
Now that’s a fairly good descriptor for sociopathic mentality right there.
I appreciate both your efforts and your perspectives, Asha.
Very very good point. This is an excellent debating point against feminism because it undermines feminism’s foundation. Once you establish this point, there’s no need to be drawn into discussions about side issues and minutiae. Your opponent can no longer control the direction of the debate.
Egg. Zack. Lee.
This isn’t important just for refuting the blatantly hateful feminists, but also the distracting trolls who chirp NAFALT. Or the ones who try to deflect any criticism of feminism by saying “that’s radical feminism” or “that’s not MY feminism.”
All feminists are inherently bigoted, whether they know it or not. By self-identifying as a feminist you’re giving legitimacy to hateful ideology. At a time where some in the MRM are stupidly trying to paint AVFM as slipping away from the cause, we need to draw a line in the sand. Feminism is a hate movement. Period.
Also, common discourse is a grand bastion of power feminists don’t like speaking about. Many actions and constructs that powerful people have used derived from social consensus.
I’m enjoying these so much that personally I’d like to see and addendum of the addendum of the addendum.
I understand the argument, but it can easily be dismissed by feminists saying: “Yes, men have been sociopathic monsters all throughout history, as evidenced by spousal rape, women being treated as property, preferences for male offspring, and plenty of other axiomatic assertions I have no intention of substantiating.” Basically patriarchy theory allows feminists to discard intellectual integrity and assert that “patriarchy” proves patriarchy theory,
You and many others mention “spousal rape.”
I ask you. What is spousal rape?
Are you referring to unwanted sexual intercourse, where a husband has intercourse with his wife when she doesn’t want to?
Or are you referring to lifelong rape perpetrated against a husband by his wife, where she extracts all life and substance from this man for her own benefit, some of which she allows the children to partake of. And I do say only some, because the wife takes most and gives little to anyone, least of all the husband.
The husband finally succumbs at a much earlier age to the wife, then she moves on enjoying all that he provided her with.
If ever there was a human parasite, it would be a woman!
It’s like I hear women bleating about how they suffer terribly in wars. The women are raped, sometimes repeatedly. Some are murdered yes, but many are raped.
As bad as this sounds, I think I would much rather be a woman in war, because rape is something you can heal from.
Having your head blown off or throat cut from ear to ear, head removed or hacked off with a blunt machete, or lined up in front of trenches and machine gunned so your body falls into the trench, as the majority of men and boys find themselves facing, is I think a little less desirable.
It’s time for women to stop crying like babies because someone hurt their bodies, when millions of men are being slaughtered around them and yet these men are never acknowledged by women.
Oh, and what about the men who are raped?
Do women care about them?
No, I doubt they do!
Time for men to stand up and start fighting against this attitude of male disposability that exists in the worlds population of women.
In addition to Shrek6′s excellent points, feminists’ dismissal (once again) lumps all men together. In behavior, intellect, emotions, ect, men generally cover a broader range than women – from the extreme top to the extreme bottom. This means that the “bad” in men must be balanced against the “good” in men, and that’s what feminism refuses to do. It takes “male goodness” for granted, as if it appears in the world spontaneously, but it attributes “male badness” to actual human males.
When debating, I try to stay away from saying, “Women are bad too.” Instead I try to say, “Men are every bit as good as they are bad. I see the criticism, where’s the praise?”
This is brilliant.
The horror of all this to me is that it activates men’s nominally healthy protective instincts and leads them to beat the snot out of themselves and each other.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Escape this vicious circle, this Möbius strip. Hop off, refuse to stay on it.
The only way to win is not to play.
I want to go back to when men ruled the world and women told us what to do. Not to when women tell us what to do and hate the world for it. Women hate the men because of the world. The men’s world is full of hatefull women. Wait, that didn’t come out right. What she said!