Short take: I think she’s still a bit purple pilly because she doesn’t recognize that some of those laws that protect her can be and are abused by some women, but otherwise… is it just me, or is the movement on an exponential growth curve, with honeybadgers popping up wherever you look?
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If you ask Gordon Wadsworth, feminism isn't and perhaps never was a socially progressive movement. Tied to and subservient to archaic sex roles, feminism is just another expression of old school humanity, and as such it serves as an impediment to self-actualization for both men and women.
It also calls into question whether the concept of “consent,” where it relates to sexual activity, is antiquated. Indeed it calls into question whether the concept of “rape,” in the literal definition, is just a cultural misconception for a male tendency to fulfill women’s desire for sexual excitement and thrills and women’s collective desire to see this accomplished.
We were recently in a conversation with someone who is very pessimistic and tells us he just doesn't see people, women in particular, coming out of the woodwork to ask for change. We told him we see otherwise. And almost by magic, yet another HoneyBadger appears...
Some AVFM articles are the gift that keeps on giving. Paul Elam shares one of those from the past and also treats us to a review of why it was and is such a successful piece or writing. He also shows us how we have feminists to thank for it. This one will be fun for the old timers on the site.
No one likes the sight of dirty laundry hanging out. This is especially true in the MHRM. But sometimes it is just inevitable. And sometimes, what looks like dirty laundry is actually laundry that has just been cleaned, and it is hanging out to dry in a cool breeze. Events now from MRA London
Aimee McGee's father is less than perfect. But we are supposing that anyone who has ever lived would have to come to the same conclusion about their own. But the question is in how we measure a man. By his weaknesses, which they all have, or by his totality as a person, and who he inspires us to be.
For those following the University of Toronto debacle involving Warren Farrell and a gaggle of violent protesters against the human rights of men and boys, we have our first investigative winner.
Everyone once in a while we examine what passes for wisdom on the pages of the Good Men Project Magazine. The only thing for sure on this one is that it doesn't pass for wisdom here.
You want to help men? Grasp what it is like to be one with women like you for five fucking minutes. Then we can sit down and have a little chat.
Abortion is highly polemicist, with the mainstay of its opponents squarely on the neoconservative religions right. Socons, as we call them.
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A Russian video that you may not actually want to watch, but which you may want to send to the next dipshit who utters the words "misandry doesn't exist" to you.
You need some love and understanding, not that dead-end life you're planning...
Rick Westlake: C’mon, guys, hurry up and finish your pillaging, the tide is cresting, the wind is veering, and the long-ships are shifting on the beach! (Plunder before you burn … When will they ever...
Kimski: Try reading this for starters, since you apparently didn’t get the satire in the main article, and all will be revealed, dimwit: http://www.avoiceformen.com/fe minism/feminist-lies-femini...Rick Westlake: If there were a Nobel Prize for men’s-rights literature … The infantriarchy, or infantilarchy (or maybe puerarchy would fit better; ‘puer-’ as a root means child) is the missing...
Nightwing1029: Cotton, something I learned long ago… Most of the “Good” people, are only good in public. When society’s eyes are off them, they tend to be far worse than us “bad”...
GQuan: Subtlety. Reading comprehension. Satire. The need to read a short article in its entirety before formulating a conclusion and writing an angry response. Awareness of feminist practice. The point. All of these...
Bewildered: So feminists – I do love one thing that you taught me: “I am woman – hear me roar” – against you and the destruction that you have brought and still continue to bring along with the hatred, lies, and filth...
Awww,,, I have seen this, and she is amazing. I kept that video in my favorites.
Yeah, we are like mushrooms…after being kept in the dark and fed BS by the sisterhood we are popping up all over the place
You know, we were here all along. All you guys had to do was ask…?
I don’t know about that Cotton. I’ve always sort of sought out anti-feminist women, and I’ve always known and had them in my life, but they aren’t exactly growing on trees. And even the most anti-feminist or rather, non-feminist women I’ve known, are reluctant to openly appose feminist shit. Then again, it’s hard to get anybody, even the most run through the meat grinder man to openly appose feminism, never mind actually doing any activism against it.
Most women play for team vagina, and don’t care how much team vagina cheats, lies, and steals, as long as women win. And most men pander to that to some degree, and you know when that will change……when there is lots and lots of women like you, that get in those manginas faces and tell them they are miserable excuses for non-men, and the thought of having a mangina like them touching you makes your flesh crawl and turns your guts.
Maybe female MRAs can hand out white feather to encourage men to fight against the feminazis and manginas
I was in my teens when “Women’s lib” became front and center. I didn’t like or agree with a lot of what I was hearing, but my father very enthusiastically endorsed it. It’s odd, because my father was a very manly man – pretty much the poster man feminists love to hate.
I had misgivings about abortion rights and rape shield laws, but my father enthusiastically endorsed them.
He had four daughters is all I can figure, I don’t think he thought about the impact it would one day have on his son.
He always exhorted us to get an education, to be independent, to be prepared to face the world alone “if that ‘sum bitch you marry deserts you”.
The message I got was “Don’t be a useless parasite like your mother and don’t marry a ‘sum bitch like me.
I joined the military at age 18 for numerous reasons, mainly to seek “independence” and because I really believed it was wrong that guys my age were being drafted against their will while girls stayed home and sent them cookies or married their best friend who got out of going.
I spent the next three years accused of being a “Women’s lipper”, a “nymphomaniac-lesbian-whore-out-to-trap-a-husband” by seethingly resentful men who thought the girls back home were Ideal Women…until they got their “Dear John, He’s here and you aren’t” letters.
After college I found myself in Women’s Studies college classes and the early beginnings of “The Rule of Thumb” “1 in 4 women will be raped” “Women Against Violence Against Women” rallies, lead by men with bull horns.
There was extreme hate toward those hapless guys who were drafted against their will, it was the era of the “Crazed Vietnam Veterans”.
Male and female professors alike spoke against “male chauvinists” and the fools who fought the war in classrooms with obviously wounded veterans staring stoically ahead, wordless and defenseless.
I disappointed my parents tremendously by marrying a wonderful guy and becoming a stay at home mom instead of an attorney(they thought because I’m so argumentative…)
My worst detractors were my mother and mother in law – they HATED my choice to stay home. Staying home had been THEIR imprisonment and here I was insisting it was better for the kids.
Anyway, long story short, I mostly slogged through motherhood uncomfortably out of sync with my peers, got a job when my kids were older, and made jokes about how nice it was to go to work where I could get get some rest.
Then my 16 year old son was falsely accused of rape, and run through a Kangaroo Kourt where his guilt was rubber stamped, his fate sealed. I tried to get an anti feminist Mothers Group started up, but most mothers in that situation are literally road kill.
I’ve been a seething cauldron of anti feminism ever since, and I’ve rarely encountered MEN who were speaking out before, either.
It’s like the story where everyone goes along with obvious lies until that one little boy cries out “The Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes!”
Yeah, and they kill the little boy that cried out to shut him up before the words leave his mouth.
I hate to tell you this Cotton, but your son was done in by men just like your father. Do you think your father would have supported feminism if the women, even just a few of them in his life, articulated their disgust at him doing so? Do you think any of the men who enable feminism would be doing it if there was a reasonable amount of women telling them that they were pathetic sexual losers trying to compensate for something?
But what happens is the entitled princess bitches of the world pat him on the head and say…..good boy….you’re such a big strong man. And the women like you…..remain silent. Well, that’s the way it’s been in the past anyway.
@cotton
Yep, the only time you hear feminists say something good about masculine traits or behavior is when they find it in a woman.
“your son was done in by men just like your father”
Lying in a hospital for months with a broken back and knowing, as the sole supporter of 7 other lives, he was no longer physically able to provide must have played into his thinking.
There were zero job options at that time for my mother to step in and pick up the slack.
As a small boy, my father was hospitalized and almost died from severe beatings by a stepfather. He was literally a beaten red headed step child.
It was the depression, his mother’s options to leave were grim. The step father was sole provider for her three sons. “At least we had food to eat” my father would say.
His mother and her five sisters had been raised by a predatory step father while her mother looked the other way for the good of the family. There’s been whispered talk of occasional prostitution. “She did the best she could” was all he said of it.
I don’t judge my father harshly. His intention was for his daughter’s to have a better life and better options to provide for and protect their children should need arise, unlike his mother or my mother, he never wanted his four daughters to find themselves “trapped in a bad situation”.
He died the year before my son’s false accusation ordeal, and for that I’m grateful.
It would have killed him to see his Grandsons now “trapped in a bad situation”.
Good point, you chose to be a stay at home mother, your mother’s generation did not. The feminists are changing one lack of choice for a different lack of choice. Feminism is prescriptive, not empowering.
Everyone should be able to make choices about how they will lead their life, subject to practical considerations and everyone should take responsibility for their choices. It should not be surprising that on average women will make different choices to men.
Honestly, back when I first heard of “feminism” and women’s rights, I envisioned it as women getting more respect for womanly things.
Instead, it seems women get respect more for rejecting feminine roles and taking on more manly roles, while men get “respect”(smirk) for becoming feminized and rejected for their masculinity.
Absolutely agree with you on that Stu.
People always complain, in general that is, about radicals and all the damage they do. And there is always criticisms from women as to why these radicals are not renounced/denounced by their own people for their evil acts.
Yet, women as a collective in the modern world, are exactly the same. There are no female voices out there in the ether joined in unison with other females, fighting against the evil of feminism. None!
The only women who do speak out, are either hidden away in the MHRM, or they are on Youtube and ignored by the forces that would actually listen if these women organised themselves into a single entity.
Irrespective of whether feminists are right or wrong, women in all walks of life and women in the vast overwhelming majority, will back them up, even at the expense of their own male family members.
I find this to be not only a reprehensible behaviour, but utterly mind-boggling to say the least!
“Most women play for team vagina, and don’t care how much team vagina cheats, lies, and steals, as long as women win. And most men pander to that to some degree, and you know when that will change……when there is lots and lots of women like you, that get in those manginas faces and tell them they are miserable excuses for non-men, and the thought of having a mangina like them touching you makes your flesh crawl and turns your guts.”
Hey. I’m not giving away good domme for free.
Could not agree more, though it is not that simple.
I have long been aware of women who “got it.” They are all around us and always have been.
Now pardon men while I put on my flak jacket before saying this:
The problem in reaching them has been men. OK, before you lob that brick at me guys, I will qualify it by saying I understand the problem.
Most men don’t come to their senses about feminism, hypergamy and the current gender zeitgeist until they have pulled a few knives out of their back. The men’s movement is still, even at its small size, one of the largest collections of the walking wounded around.
The level of trust in women is understandably low. Plus, you have to sort through all the phonies that just want to get those bloody, wounded men to remount their white stallions, and the closet feminists.
It means the unfortunate tendency is for men in this movement to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I am getting hate mail right now for having women as editors and site managers. John has long been trashed for co-hosting his show with two women. In the latest hoopla some of the attacks have used terms like “a woman’s voice for men.”
I knew that my biggest two challenges when I started this was going to be to find and attract women with thick enough skins to deal with all this and stay dedicated. Well, that and refusing to ride the gay bashing bandwagon with the neocons.
It has been fucking ROUGH at times. So many wounded men, so few women that not only get the problem but that can survive the heat of men’s anger in places like this.
So far, though, thanks to men and women who actually get what is needed, it is working. And that is a good thing. I am going to be naming two more female Senior Editors to the site in the next couple of days.
Guess I will leave the flak jacket on for a little while.
“I am going to be naming two more female Senior Editors to the site in the next couple of days.”
Excellent!
I also vote for a few standout gay and transfolk as Senior Editors if they and you are willing to take the jump.
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Why should I spell out anything? They don’t have any more or less authority than male editors.
I think I feel as much empathy for wounded men as anyone else around here. But even given that, I won’t let myself alter course away from the principles that we operate under here.
I have personally vetted each and every person affiliated with this site, based on their merit, not on their genitalia.
The question is not whether there are female editors or male editors. The only question is whether we are fulfilling the mission of this website to advocate for men and boys by fighting male disposability, feminism and misandry.
Until someone can point to specific examples of where we have failed that (and sorry, naming some female editors does not qualify as failure), then I won’t entertain suspicions about people who are entrusted here to manage our operations. Nor will I defend against such thinking by outlining some kind of special leash for the womenfolk.
Preempting paranoia is a poor management strategy.
I’m glad to hear you say the Female Senior Editors have no more authority than Male Editors and that you’ve personally vetted them on their merit alone.
That statement should go some way to clearing up suspicions newcomers have to AVFM that it isn’t yet another organization that’s dominated by women’s voices. You may get to wear the “flak jacket” and experience less of a “rough” time less often too.
I don’t think it’s a case of pre-empting paranoia though. But simply the case that as you yourself have pointed out so many men are walking wounded these days we can’t blame them for being wary of organizations who have women in leadership roles that are making statements about men.
Personally I maintain an open mind and await to see how these women you say you’re going to be appointing as Senior Editors will work out. They like everyone else I meet will have to earn my trust on an ongoing basis.
Notwithstanding the good works the women of AVFM have done on this site, for me there is another important reason for them to be here.
There aren’t that many women in my social & work circles; but most are feminists. Furthermore, most other women I had observed were from the main stream media so of course they were both feminists and misandrists. Others knew to keep their mouths shut for self-preservation. Also, Australia’s media is not as diverse as in the US and elsewhere.
Subsequently, there was almost an absence of women who were visibly compassionate for boys and men in my world previous to coming across AVFM. The women here are invaluable to right this constructed misperception. They increase one faith in humanity and the world.
I need to say something as a response to this.
My personal problem with MRM/MHRM is exactly the same that many of the supporters of those seem to have with feminists or the supporters of feminism: It’s frightening, and it seems insane.
I’m currently trying to decide what I should call myself, if anything, to give people the right idea. Lately it’s been feminist, but as the general idea people seem to have about feminism is that it’s a group of hatemongers that wants women to have advantages over men and treat men as aggressive, violent cavemen, I’d immediately give people the wrong idea about myself by introducing myself as one.
I know about as little about what MRM/MHRM supporters talk about amongst themselves, but I’ve seen a frightening glimpse of it. I’ve been called names, not based on my views as I haven’t had much time to share them before I’ve been attacked because of my gender. I’ve also seen frighteningly conservative views and a general idea of “Well, if a man wants the woman to do or be something, the woman better be exactly that or she’s a feminist/frigid/evil/fucked up bitch”.
Now, just like I don’t support gender inequalities in say, custody cases, I doubt every MRM thinks men should get their way in the expense and regardless of the well-being of women. But those are the one’s the outsiders, or those who don’t know about the movement and stumble across a “supporter” will remember.
I tried to hold on to the idea that feminists that support inequality aren’t real feminists for a long time, but I was always drowned under the wave of “what about those OTHER feminists???”, I am not them, I can’t speak for them was my usual response, but I still got treated like someone who wants to stomp on all men and boys forever.
And I kind of understand it now, seeing MRM activists (not specificallt here, just generally around the internetz) All I can see is people who can’t see any inequalities that aren’t for their own disadvantage being aggressive. Another part of it is the name: Men’s right activism. Just like feminism will automatically look like it excludes, and/or does exclude everyone except females, men’s right activism does the same.
It just looks like it’s not trying to balance the scale, but tip it to the other direction (whether it is or isn’t doing that), and for the disadvantage of the “other end”, when nobody should be ignored. It’s creating the same split and preconception about both movements: “No men/women allowed, not my problem”.
Not to mention the massive array of ideologies that people support, in both feminist and MRM camps. Some ACTUALLY strive for equality and for paying attention to everyone’s problems rather equally, some are slightly off to one or the other direction, and some just want to have an insane advantage.
What wont help is laughing at “the others” (the divide is there, I might as well say it like that). That’ll only make “them” angry and completely undermine their opinion and laugh off big societal problems like they’re nothing. This goes for both parties, and happens in both camps and in my opinion shouldn’t be supported or encouraged by those who speak for either movement.
I doubt either of the two will solve the problems of our society, not before the movements stop ignoring or excluding one or the other, or sounding like they do.
Until then I suppose have nothing specific to introduce myself as.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/to-the-nice-feminists/
“It just looks like it’s not trying to balance the scale, but tip it to the other direction (whether it is or isn’t doing that), and for the disadvantage of the “other end”, when nobody should be ignored. It’s creating the same split and preconception about both movements: “No men/women allowed, not my problem”.
BS. The scales should be rebalanced by men having HUMAN RIGHTS THAT WOMEN ALREADY HAVE.
As for no men/women allowed – It doesn’t work that way around here. Take a closer look at this website. It has WOMEN who are valued as regular contributors and senior editors. There is no split, only a combined effort to eradicate a nasty problem – feminism.
Can they make good sammiches.
If they know what is good for them.
“so few women that not only get the problem but that can survive the heat of men’s anger in places like this”
So true, it is one thing to be behind us, it is quite another to get into the heat of battle. That is why our “Honey badgers” are so inspiring and invaluable to this site.
@Paul,
Mate, I gotta say something in response to your comment and I guess it’s taken me a while over the years to sort this out in my head, but over the last half dozen years of drinking Red Cool-aid, I have worked out in my head what needs to happen to somehow fix this problem. And you are working on doing exactly what I believe we need. Let me explain:
I’m angry. Yep, you can see that in my posts. I’m angry because my children suffer badly at the hands of over enable/privileged women, I’m angry at the system for all they have done in facilitating the criminal behaviour of these women and all the other women just like them.
I’m angry at the bloody men who just cannot see passed the stuff they were brainwashed with as boys where they have to treat every female like she was some kind of goddess.
And finally, I am angry at all the nasty bitches in this world who betrayed their sex and worst still, they betrayed the innocence of children, their own and others, by introducing this evil into the lives of children directly or indirectly.
Then in recent times, I was angry at the MRM, because the fools who were in it couldn’t get their heads out of their own backsides. THAT really gave me the shits.
I’m angry that they were too afraid to call a bitch a bitch, lest there were ears in the walls of their websites and they were hounded by feminists. Oooh they were so scared!
Once I finally became aware, I started getting angry at the collective of women in the western world. How dare they all sit there like 3 Monkeys totally ignoring the evil perpetrated by mongrels of their own sex, who have destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent men and millions of innocent children, worldwide. How dare they!
But then I realised that most of them are fence sitters. I realised that the only reason feminism ever got any traction, was because they got all these women to drink some of the feminism cool-aid but not too much. So I asked myself, then why can’t we get them to drink some Raspberry flavoured/coloured cool-aid instead and let them see life in a different way, but from the perspective of ‘REAL human rights.’
It is my conclusion after being angry at so many people for such a long time, that the people who allowed us to be dragged down this stinking hole, are going to be the same ones who will eventually help drag us back out again.
The MHRM is not worth a pinch of dried up Cockies (Parrott) Poo without having large numbers, in hopefully equal proportions, of women.
The indifference of the majority of women is what put us down this hole so deeply. They loved the cool-aid of feminism, but kept their hands over their eyes so they didn’t have to witness the bloodshed caused by this evil they approved of.
However it was the fear, laziness and in many cases, indifference of men that got us started down this road in the first place. Men gave feminists the green light, the resources and permission to go ahead and they didn’t put in checks and balances.
But then they fell victim to the multilevel reverse psychology used against them, which drugged them into thinking they had to offer feminists even more than they asked for. Many men here have been drugged the same and are angry at themselves for allowing that to happen to them. And yes, I was/am one of them.
Wake up all of you who disagree. If you’re angry, how do you think for one moment we are ever going anywhere with just men, when 50% of the world’s population are still being drip fed the sweet smelling vomit from feminists?
We need to get into the ears and minds of these women. And the only way they will listen, is if they are being spoken to by other women.
Few women will listen to a man these days. So how do you who disagree with women on this site, propose that we ‘Voices for Men’ are going to be heard by any decent women out there who have been taught to have ‘anti-male filters’ over their ears and eyes?
We need to have women on board who care enough to stand beside us and fight, and help educate the vast majority of women who have turned their heads away from the public abuse of boys and men.
Paul, you have my vote Mate. You vet them. Don’t bring any loser females in here, but get as many outspoken honourable women as you can, because we need every last one of them to assist in our fight, but to also help bolster our credibility in proving we are against gender warfare and politics.
But for the sake of the existence of this organisation and the movement, don’t allow women to take over, have the right of veto over what men say here and if they can’t handle the pain that the wounded men exhibit here (because there is nowhere else on earth for them to let it out), then please tell those women to piss off and never come back. Don’t you turn white knight and come running in to save a damsel in distress, because this is precisely the behaviour that destroyed the MRM in Australia and it spanned over more than 2 organisations and went on for a decade.
They had good intentions initially; let the women in, then the women started complaining and the men running the show felt they had to jump on the back of a white Horse and ended up attacking the male members. The MRM in Aus disappeared in a short time after that. The men left in droves!
Wake up guys; we cannot succeed without an equal show of force from all the good women out there.
Heartfelt words, and I hear them all.
One thing you can absolutely trust is that women will not take over here. Then again, neither will men. In my mind the only way this works is in the way feminism didn’t work. It is the principles that must take over and rule. They don’t have a sex. If I refer to the mission statement and the principles by which I set all this up and use them for the guideline, I don’t think we can go wrong.
You can also trust that I will quickly extract any threat I perceive to the mission here. I have already had to do that in ways that were personally painful for me. If there is ever any more threats I will get rid of them, vagina or not. It makes no difference at all.
I can’t promise, even after the best vetting that I can do, that any single choice I make will never betray the trust I extend, or violate the principles of AVFM. I don’t have the wisdom or the power for that kind of control. But I can pull a tooth out of my own mouth if it becomes a problem.
I have put a large and very costly piece of my life into this organization for men and boys. Anyone tries to change the focus or dilute what we do will be gone like they were never even here.
You have my word on it.
Shrek,
Accepting that I’m going to spend time around angry men is part of the territory with becoming part of the MHRM.
I get it. The whole misandry crap sucks. That’s why I’m here – I want to make a difference, even if it is just 2 X chromasomes at a time
You are most welcome and thank you for your support!
That just raises so many questions…
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT7xc_XqYO8&w=560&h=315
What is a honey badger, and how did they get that name???
Here’s the video that started it all. I guess the women of the MHRA just adopted the name for themselves.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f7_1305082486
Many thanks. I understand everything now.
Badass honeybadgers don’t give a fuck about nasty bitch cobras!
http://img3.photographersdirect.com/img/262/wm/pd2864536.jpg
She’s my favourite honey badger
Watch her in action here: [grey top] turn on the captions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnxvAwSu-0
Simply Awesome
Do you happen to have contact info on Vilar?
“Do you happen to have contact info on Vilar?”
THAT would be a contact worth having. The woman has verve, and if ever there were someone who deserved to be called a ‘pioneer of MHRM values,’ she is one. Par excellence.
For any not familiar with AVs work, here is the full-text of her classic 1971 book The Manipulated Man
I’ve looked for contact info on her and can’t find any. If anyone can let me know.
@Paul Elam and Dean Esmay: Esther Vilar lives in London. You can find her literary agent here:
http://www.mbalit.co.uk/author/49
Judging by the various comment sections, I think we’ll be witnessing a female avalanche in the making soon, of opponents of feminism.
They just took the whole thing way too far, and the more bright women are starting to wake up to that fact….Finally.
“is it just me, or is the movement on an exponential growth curve, with honeybadgers popping up wherever you look?”
Okay cool, so I’m not the only person that thinks this! Also, I want to get ‘Feminism can suck a hill of dicks’ on a t-shirt.
I’d give you ten bucks if you wore that t-shirt on the University of Toronto campus for a day.
Great to see more outspoken women coming out of the woodwork. I may have read this sheila wrong, but from what I heard her say in some parts, I am not sure that this bird has cleaned out enough of the feminist vomit she has swallowed in the past.
I have one question/criticism of this woman’s “Don’t touch me” rules.
There are many reasons for touching another human being and they can also be out of affection for someone you have just met. Why? Because some people are like that and like reach out to other human beings affectionately by touching their arm or whatever.
This woman in the video only spoke of men as the F…tards she was referring to.
And she demands they follow her rules or else!
What about the women who may touch you? Obviously that is okay in your mind!
I am not that happy with any female being a part of the MHRA, if they still have a lot of the feminist poison in their otherwise empty heads dictating stupid rules.
Yes, I know she was referring mostly to unwanted sexual advances, but she did mention her hatred of someone (men) touching her for other reasons as well.
Am I being a bit over sensitive about it?
Damn right I am. I am over having females of any type, MHRA or feminist bitches, “TELLING ME” to do anything.
Hi Shrek, the ‘no touching’ thing might be something completely separate from ‘feminism’. For example, I don’t like to be touched – except by a handful of people – even if I have known that person for a very long time, let alone someone I barely know/have just met.
I view it as a violation of my personal space and feel extremely uncomfortable (albeit temporarily). I know the person is just being friendly or whatever, so I don’t get pissed off or think they’re creepy or some silly nonsense like that, but I can understand where this bird is coming from.
Not everything is about feminism.
Yeah, I can also understand where she is coming from, but like I said, I guess being gun shy means that I have little to no tolerance of any female barking out orders to men.
There is so much bullshit in the heads of women today and even those who think they are against feminism, don’t truly understand their position and have not yet swallowed the red pill.
There are lots of men and women who are against feminism, but most are still blue pillers.
I don’t mean anything against this woman. Good on her for speaking out. We need more like her.
I just disagree with the fact she only chose to use men as those she referred to as F….tards. This to me shows that she is like most other women who have enjoyed the sweet smelling vomit of feminism at different levels.
She’s young and she has a lot to learn, but she seems to be on the right path.
“purple pilly”
Purple Haze, Man! Purple Haze!!
I can’t believe it took me a couple years to find this super awesome section on AVFM.
Dean, you rock harder than *something that rocks like really hard*
Per Esther Vilar:
I read her book back in the day…during the pre-Internet era. I knew little about her save what I espied in the book. Ironically, I read it after Herb Goldberg’s THE HAZARDS OF BEING MALE in 1975. He’s 2 years older than her, wrote his book 4 years after she did hers, and shares German roots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8AmjylEUeo
I watched Esther on youtube tonight. She wrangled with a fembot who talked over her and, well, acted like the typical entitled fembyotch we’ve come to expect.
The fembot made veiled threats about lawsuits and gave other shit-tests. Esther laughed them all off. Her opponent said women were oppressed because they got treated like unpaid maids: as if any maid who quits gets to keep the employer’s kids and half his assets…forever! The rabid feminista also downplayed the unpaid work men do around the house: as if using a male-designed dishwasher compares to knowing how to maintain a car!
I’d never seen Esther before (my book copy had no cover). In fact, I thought her dead. Then I watched the video. I found her to be smart, attractive, poised, and sort of sad (maybe “wordly-wise”?). I later read she’d been a physician.
It was odd, watching two Germans discuss the women’s movement in the land of Hitler. It was like feminists had learned nothing and were just re-channeling Nazi demonizations and devilish fervor.
I regret the MRM in the 70s didn’t pair up with Esther. Nor did it in the 1980s-90s, 2000s…or even by 2010. Then again, burnout was common, communication difficult in snail-mail days, and she was probably licking her wounds while hiding.
Anyway, she turns 78 this coming September 16th. I suggest we honor her then. AVFM should be huge in the Fall, so perhaps we can get a “big name” paper/TV show to interview her, Paul, Erin, and some others. Sort of a, “What’s new after 50 years of feminism?” deal.
For some reason I feel sad now myself. “Ou sont les neiges d’antan?” and all. Questions arise: Why has the movement been so long in uniting? Why do things take so long? How do you keep from giving up?
Howard Zinn wrote:
“If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction. And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.”
It’s like nothing seems to change, then: poof! Down comes the Berlin Wall, buh-bye goes the USSR, etc. Just when you’re ready to give up, sure the tectonic plates will never move, there’s an earthquake.
Ms. Vilar showed true grit and did so more or less alone. In fact, she later admitted had she known what she’d go through, she might never have written the book (an indication of the risks of being a pathfinder). Like many who dared to counter “we only want equality” feminists, she experienced death threats, isolation, and other grief. Just like Suzanne Steinmetz and other ground-breakers had.
We need such women in the MRM. I’m proud they’re on our team. And have been so all along.
My favourite line from the video – “what do I think of feminism? I think it sucks and it can go f*ck itself…”
Ahh, breath it in, nice and deep…
Please also watch this one, and maybe give it a post of its own. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KxvVDO-jDI
And this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vBt8Za_yA
These bring hope.