“Don’t look back in anger, Don’t look back in hate, Just look to the future and concentrate…”
~Raven
Some time back I learned of the new collective movement called MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way. The basic tenets—self-reliance; independence; the realization that men did not need to be married, or even in a relationship, to be valuable or successful; the rejection of societal demands that gave them responsibilities without any reciprocal benefit—appealed to me immediately. Naturally I could also see where other groups would feel irked or threatened by MGTOW: the marriage industry, the recruiters of the military, religious institutions that champion families over singles, corporations and governments that fear independent single men.
After some time of absorbing the MGTOW dialogue, I realized another group might be threatened by MGTOW: Men trying to live the MGTOW lifestyle themselves.
There’s an intoxicating freedom in the MGTOW lifestyle; an old biker t-shirt emblazoned Sworn To Fun—Loyal To None comes to mind. Indeed, the MGTOW philosophy seems to be nothing but fun, when you’re single-handedly steering your own destiny: the complete absence of nagging, relationships based on ‘your way or the highway’, experiencing Las Vegas or Rio De Janeiro on a whim.
For some men, however, the MGTOW lifestyle could mean isolating themselves in studio apartments playing WORLD OF WARCRAFT for hours on end, surrounded by a cubic yard of Budweiser cans. As I write this, there’s an unfortunate group of Japanese bachelors who never leave their apartments until their food runs out…and once they secure more, they again become recluses.
On a recent work assignment for Sony, I learned that their market research indicated American consumers were what they called “Cocooning”…staying inside their homes, and only emerging to consume and accumulate more luxuries.
Dr. Andrew Weil, in his book Eight Weeks To Optimum Health, described a bachelor patient who complained of unending pain from a back injury, that made him just “Work, and then crash”. Digging deeper, Dr. Weil
discovered that his patient was divorced, with no children (or, apparently, charisma). His friends had scattered to the four winds after college, none of them lived nearby. He didn’t even have a pet. Dr. Weil made a diagnosis called Disconnection Syndrome—something yet to be recognized by the medical community at large, but doubtlessly quite accurate. Dr. Weil told his patient “You don’t have a connection to anyone or anything; you only interact with people at work, your friends are far away, you don’t have anyone in your life…” Disconnection Syndrome, as Dr. Weil terms it, is again not yet recognized by the medical community at large, but it’s waiting with baited breath for many of the men living the MGTOW life.
I’m not so arrogant as to presume I can tell other men how to live their lives…if playing W.O.W. in a maze of beer cans keeps a man from lighting up a shopping mall with an AK-47, I’m all for it. But I have assembled some ideas for transforming Men Going Their Own Way into Men Going The Right Way…
(The reader is free to declare these ‘ways’ aren’t the particular ‘right way’ for them, but I’ll challenge anyone that says they’re the wrong way.)
For MGTOW to become MGTRW, the key word is Mastery.
1. Achieve Mastery of your own body, and health.
Your philosophical and ideological freedom avails you nothing if you’re trapped in a body that’s plagued with problems. MGTOW’s are especially vulnerable to a ‘party’ lifestyle high in alcohol and low in nutrition. Husbands and family men might have their wives or children nag them to visit the doctor. But as a MGTOW, the only one looking after your health is you.
Find a doctor you trust. Listen to them—but get a second opinion if necessary. Eat right. Exercise. Practice safe sex. Repeat as necessary. A gym membership, and/or a program in the martial art of your choice will also keep you active and widen your social circle.
(SUGGESTED READING: EIGHT WEEKS TO OPTIMUM HEALTH, by Dr. Andrew Weil.)
2. Achieve Mastery of your finances and resources.
You can’t be independent or free when you’re mired in debt. If you are, transfer all of your available resources to get out of debt…no matter how long it takes. Afterwards, either invest in the stock market (statistics reveal that stock market investments have paid at least an 11% dividend on average, while bank CDs or bonds have paid a mere 4-6%), or invest in yourself, in your own business venture. If you’re in a corporate job that pays a healthy amount, that’s commendable…but ensure you’re essential to your organization, and can’t be replaced right away. Financial independence, if not actual wealth, should be an optimal goal.
(SUGGESTED READING: PAY IT DOWN, by Jean Chatzky, and THE FIVE PILLARS OF WEALTH, by Tod Barnhart)
3. Stay Positive.
By this I mean not only strive for a positive attitude and worldview (perhaps difficult, I’ll concede), but be a positive force in society, or at least in your community. It’s your perfect right to live in a log cabin with a rifle in your lap, but this doesn’t do anything to improve the world.
Getting positive might mean ‘killing your television’, as the phrase goes; making friends in real life instead of some internet social network, or exploring a new sport, hobby or craft you’ve always been interested in. Staying positive might mean realizing you don’t have to be a husband or father to be a role model…in fact, bachelors have a surplus of labor they can put to use, whereas family men have a deficit of labor due to the maintenance they’re obliged to perform. Find a way to give back more than you take.
(SUGGESTED READING: LIVE WITH PASSION, by Anthony Robbins)
4. VOTE, or don’t complain.
Too many people in the electorate are opting out of the political process, thinking their vote doesn’t matter. The ‘vested interests’ that thrive on apathy love this. In actuality, voting should be the absolute minimum of any man’s participation in the political process. If you’re truly concerned about a misandrist government, you should know who your local, state and federal officials are and how to contact them and keep abreast of bills being passed before they become law.
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Paul, what do you think of the PUA culture?
Ideologically, I disdain the idea of presenting myself to a woman to prove I’m good enough for her, (as most men in the MGTOW movement would too)
But pragmatically, it provides access to a social circle outside of work. confidence and experience interacting with the opposite sex, an improved set of social skills, and an overall improved self esteem.
@ J_D
I think that anything men can do to take control of their impulses with women is a good thing. PUA mentality is not for me personally, but I think it is great for young guys.
I like some of these ideas, but number 4 is one that I’ll gladly challenge.
The political process is coercive by nature. Coercion is death: the death of volition, relationships, wealth, and ultimately people. The political process allows for individual participation, indeed, but it is not designed for individuals, nor is it designed for ordinary men. It was created by — and largely for — the ruling elite.
I see no usefulness in being told what I should do by a slight majority of voters. Nor do I see the logic in becoming part of a slight majority informing others as to what they should do. In order to embrace freedom and peace, it is necessary to walk away from death-oriented government any way I can.
I seriously doubt I will ever buy item number 4. I understand, however, that many other men have been indoctrinated as I was by government schools and government-monitored mass media into believing in this system. It will take a while for non-voting to sink in. I can think of a great many more productive and voluntary ways for men to learn how to trust one another without political overlords, and they all lead to greater freedom and greater manhood. “Cocooning” isn’t one of them. The first three rules are a good start, though.
Or does this editor disable manual code?
Yep, BR, the new editor disallows manual code it seems. Adjustment time, LOL!
If you think that there’s such a thing as an MGTOW lifestyle, then you probably haven’t absorbed enough of the MGTOW dialogue.
From an MGTOW forum:
That’s what engaging in actual MGTOW dialogue gets you.
For my part, you can take your condescending, generic life advice and shove it.
When any pundit talks about vote or shut up my response is the first day I paid taxes to the government gives me the right to shout my message from on high whether I vote or not. I did vote this year however but admit to apathy in the past and no my vote didn’t make a damn bit of difference.
Type 5, what you’re quoting is perfectly compatible with Ken’s words in the article. What’s you problem?
@ Scatmaster
I have to side with you on this one. I think he made some cogent points in the article, and I didn’t read them the same way Type 5 did, but the notion of “Vote or don’t complain” is a cliche’ that has worn very thin on me. Call George Carlin whatever you want, the guy said a lot of stuff that should make anyone think better than in this kind of sound bite.
I miss George Carlin like crazy.
Ayup, the funniest and most serious man that ever lived.
Good advice, take it or leave it.
Participating in a system where we elect the lesser of two evils is like choosing the color of the dildo we are going to be fucked with. That’s why I don’t vote.
Or here’s a thought, if you don’t like the clowns who are in power or well known, take them on, or get involved with someone else taking them on.
People debating point #4 here are analysing it far too superficially. The point that was being made is that complaining without actually acting to try and stop it seldom helps anything. Actively fight it- you’ll be amazed how empowering it is, even if it’s just helping an obscure candidate who matches your beliefs to campaign. Power is not stolen from us- we give it away. The question is, do people want theirs back?
bowspearer, I am not simply complaining. That would be pointless. The myriad ways in which I can peacefully walk away from a death-oriented institution are the ways in which I choose to fight it. You fight it your way, I’ll fight it mine.
all it takes for me to be single and enjoy life-is watching all my buddies squirm under the pressures of keeping,”her”,happy.
well…1 more thing keeps me single,and thats watching these same guys who couldn’t keep ,”her”,happy.
makes me feel good that these are the same guys that have told me that it could or would never happen to them only to find out differen’t
4. VOTE, or don’t complain.
I’ve voted only once in my life, when I was 18. I’m now 47. I reject any system where two wolves and a sheep decide what’s for dinner. It’s all a giant con-game, one which I choose not to play. I took the red pill.
There’s a big reason why I’m not going to vote anymore and the last video Paul showed from YouTube with that women’s conference showed it. All the politicians suck up to the feminists and special interests groups that don’t give a shit about average people. All of the politicians do even the most traditional hardcore Republicans. In the end I realized that currently in this country no matter who wins men lose. No politician will ever grow the back bone to truly take on this corrupt system and if they do they get ran out of office next election. I’m tired of this little drama everyone goes through in the country. “Oh no the republicans are screwing up again guess we better try the democrats. Well looks like the democrats screwed up as well time to go back to the republicans.” The public at large never seems to make the connection that we need to get rid of both of them and make a new party. I guess people forgot about the deceleration of independence and what they did hundreds of years ago when their government wasn’t working for them.
I’m really convinced though that even a social revolution in this country is very difficult if not impossible. People are too happy to sit at home and play with their gadgets and watch shit like Jersey shore then spend a hour looking up on Google what even their local politicians are up to. People don’t realize that to be a true member of a democracy you have to actively participate in government and not just voting. That means sending letters or at least calling your representatives. If you never have watched C-span even once or can’t even name half of the adamants that make up the bill of rights then in my opinion you shouldn’t even vote. So the next time someone bitches at you about politicians or even about a policy they don’t like ask them to tell you what the preamble of the constitution is. Then laugh at them when they ask you what a preamble is.
My problem is that the man I quoted managed to come to those conclusions without someone assuming he was a complete moron who needed to to be told that it’s a good idea to watch your health.
Who is Mr. Kupstis’s advice directed to? Is it directed to readers of AVFM? I didn’t need to hear it. Did you? Let’s have a show of hands from all those reading this thread who are thankful to him for pointing out that it’s beneficial to keep your financial affairs in order. If it’s directed to us, it’s just as insulting as Obsidian’s article in which he told The Spearhead audience “You all need to learn basic hygiene.” and deserves the same response.
If not directed to us, then the advice must be directed to men who somehow, through adopting an ethic of self-reliance, become more than usually at risk of letting their health and finances fall apart. These men are either complete morons or, more likely, figments of Mr. Kustis’s imagination. If they, and not we, are the target of his advice, then we are being invited to nod in agreement, sharing by proxy in his benevolance and selfless willingness to gently guide the complete morons of the world. We are so wise! I’m getting warm tingles right now just thinking of it.
You undoubtedly think I’m over-reacting. I, obviously, don’t think so. I’ve been at this men’s issues thing for over a decade and have learned a few things. Once a man starts questioning the way of things, he first questions and re-examines his relations with women. Inevitably, that leads to re-evaluating his relations with society and government. Eventually, he gets around to looking at his relations with other men. You can tell a man is just beginning that stage when he starts saying things like, “Other men are the real problem!”
When you look at this article with the eyes of experience, you see that Mr Kupsis is simply posturing. When he expresses concern for these hypothetical couch potatos, what he is actually doing is differentiating himself from them: “See, I’m a winner. I’m not a loser like those guys.” If he had real concern for them, he’d be posting his advice directly in WOW forums, not referring to them as third parties here.
If it were merely posturing, I would have just ignored him. The problem is that this particular status/dominance game requires him to create and compare himself to a group of inferior men. He’s male bashing just to satisfy his own ego. That’s what drew my venom.
<blockquote><b>Type 5:</b>
Let’s have a show of hands from all those reading this thread who are thankful to him for pointing out that it’s beneficial to keep your financial affairs in order.</blockquote>
Can you see me raising my hand? ‘Cause I am. Mr. Kupstis is just trying to share some sage advice, which some readers might need. I don’t agree with all of it, but I’m pretty sure I understand his premise, and I’ve got no problem with it. I didn’t find it insulting in the slightest.
Damn. My previous post was in response to Deansdale, not Scatmaster and my misspellings of Kupstis were unintentional.
@ Type 5
well put and that is why was offended by his voting section. i forgot to add a part to my last comment. that last part was i would tell them what the preamble of the constitution is. he clearly showed he didn’t understand what MGTOW is because last time i checked its not about turning into a basement dwelling frat boy.
I’ll admit I’m quite surprised, but I am glad his words convinced you to turn over a new leaf.
The irony of the post is that alot of the comments here have proved it right. The whole point about voting clearly wasn’t about voting being the magic bullet but about turning words into action, about actually actively getting involved in the political process.
BR, you talked abotu walking away, but what happens when there’s nowhere left to walk to because of how out of control the system has gotten?
Wayne, you said “I reject any system where two wolves and a sheep decide what’s for dinner.” Right, so find other like minded people and work towards changing the game.
Jay you said you’re sick of the system seemingly being ubeatable, but it’s that apathy and that isolation which keeps the system as it is, and not only do the corrupt know it, but they use the media to keep it that way. Realistically you can’t beat them that way so work with people to form a political force at a grass roots level that is too big for the corrupt to ignore. If a movement is sound enough and solid enough, then killing off the leader wont make a lick of difference to it in the long run.
Type5, I disagree with you. The big problem with much of the MRM and why I can’t stand people as short sighted as factory, is that they knee jerk away from emasculating misandry back to alpha male worshiping misandry. That’s as ludicrous as being ridiculed in a jail cell by other prisoners from the outside, in a cell you were wrongly imprisoned in and thinking that getting rid of the abuse is fine, without bothering to try to get out of the cell you’re wrongly imprisoned in.
The reality is that the article is necessary, because even in the men’s rights movement, there are knee-jerkers trying to steer us back into the insidious prison of idolising alpha maledom under traditionalism, because they naively believe that that will fix the problems feminism caused, when literally half the problem was hiding in plain sight before the advent of radical feminism anyway.
Was the article saying that the problem is just “good hygene” or was it saying that if you say, have signs of a serious heart problem you should get it checked out rather than just “manning up” and ignoring it. If you take a look it’s clearly the later, with an underlying emphasis on treating your body right.
I swear, it’s responses like this that have me worried that as a movement, we’re going to wind up turning into the male version of millitant feminism (which arguably has even been a complete and utter abject failure in addressing the fundamental gender inequalities for woman in even a remotely profound way) in the next 20 years if we’re not careful.
Paul, nobody here should like George Carlin after his performance where he talked about feminism. I’m paraphrasing, but he said “I agree with feminism that men are worthless, stupid, evil, warmongering savages” as well as plenty of other pejoratives. The funny thing is that when he said that, the audience cheered, which basically meant that people agree with that definition of feminism, as well as applaud it. That situation is actually a wonderful representation of misandry in society. Seriously, Carlin stands for everything we’re against.
Oddly, that was his one point that didn’t rankle me. Not because I agree with him (I don’t) but because it was the only thing said in straight-up, man-to-man fashion.
@ bowspearer
Yes I’m sick of it but please tell me of a grass roots political movement or a third party in our country that can take on the rep’s and dem’s. The tea party? The 3 other parties that are lucky to even have one representative in congress? Thought so. They don’t exist. maybe those groups can make small changes but nothing truly substantial. You missed my original point because I didn’t clarify it and that is there is only one thing that truly speaks in this country right now. That’s money plain and simple. It’s one of the big reasons why the feminist movement took off and is still here to this day. It’s also why the men’s rights movement can’t get off the internet. The politicians are able to isolate us because they have more money than us. It wouldn’t matter if every MRA on the internet got together in a month and held a massive rally. All the media would do is trivialize it and barely report on it. then pundits like Wolf Blizter and Glen Beck would argue over if MRA’s are with Rep’s or Dem’s. At the same time the ass clowns on late night T.V. would make fun of it then turn around and make rallies of their own. John and Stephen I’m looking at you. So until we get politicians to stop caring about money and pleasing special interest groups what average people say won’t matter. Please? You’re worried we will become militant in 20 years. You should hope that we aren’t nothing more than a dying fad in 20 years. That’s what you really should be worried about.
I wasn’t talking about my own personal situation, but I was grateful that somebody brought it up. It’s important information, whether or not I needed it at the time.
There are plenty of ways to walk away, no matter how out-of-control the system gets. Always remember that because it is premised upon initiatory coercion, the system is by its very nature death-oriented. The author gave readers three good ideas. Start with those. If you want a fourth idea, then why not support your local mom-and-pop stores? When you run out of ideas, you gotta get some more.
And when the system really gets that out-of-control, don’t underestimate the power of passive resistance:
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@ Ken
You should have left out the part of no. 4 that says, “go to the polls and utopia awaits you”.
Oh. My apologies. Sloppy reading on my part.
Step 2 also needs a serious editorial revision. Its basic intent, especially regarding the importance of eliminating debt, is laudable, but I have to say that any inverstment advice intended for men seeking their independence that neglects to mention phsycial gold or silver, but instead touts lending one’s “money” via bonds to help fund an utterly irresponsible, bankrupt, and nefarious central government is bullshit. To bridge the economic abyss on whose edge we now teeter, men need to hold a major portions of their assets no matter how modest – I would say 25% bare minimum – outside the banking matrix, privately secured, in something tangible whose purchasing power cannot be arbitarily manipulated or, God forbid, outright seized, by bankers and governments.
Furthermore, though it has its place at certain times, even the general stock market can, for periods longer than a man’s life span, fail to keep pace with inflation, or, said another way, to compensate for the chronic devaluation of the fiat crap currency we are all forced to use.
About voting…I agree with B.R. and personally refuse to do so, not because I am apathetic, but because I am quite the opposite, mad as hell in fact, about the enormous issues of freedom versus tryanny and individualism versus collectivism thrust upon us by recent crises, and, for a number of reasons both moral and practical, choose to make higher use of my time on November 3rd. That said, I by no means judge those men who choose otherwise.
Anyway, thank you for posting Ken’s article. Whether we agree or disagree with the writer, it is our discussions that really matter.
FWIW, on your forum I always click to see the hidden comments, because my curiosity begins smoking. I want to see everything that is said by everyone, no matter how offensive, disagreeable, unpleasant, illiterate, irrational, or hyperemotional I may find it. Grist for the mill, and all that.
Regards.
Could there be any connection between American women having over 8 million more votes than men, and so many laws favoring women?
The disparity is not only because there is a greater population of women than men, but also about 53% of men vote, while 58% of women do.
Hey, Paul, thanks for posting this.
I can see everyone’s argument over point #4, and I’m as disgusted with the two-party system as anyone else…but I meant what I said, voting is the MINIMUM action that any MGTOW should take in the political arena…if men just watch Monday Night Football while special interests scheme to steal more of their liberties and income, those men have already sold themselves out.
Thanks to everyone for their feedback…but Type 5, my main point was that bachelors are in danger of letting their health and finances slide if they’re not careful, since nobody’s looking out for them. If you’ll point out some WOW forums, I’ll gladly send the article there.
Best, KK
Sorry. I don’t game, so I can’t be any help on the WOW forums. I do, however, know of an MGTOW forum or two where personal finance, physical fitness, staying active and maintaining purpose in life are frequent subjects of discussion. Actually, you could probably Google them.
It’s nice to have the political party of your choice, if any, in power. Third party, Tea Party etc.. However, this being a group of, I assume, men gathered to discuss the devastating effects ( and possible solutions) that feminism has on our country today, it is in our best interest that we be aware of what the available political parties represent. The parties who make the laws which control our lives.
What is available to us today is the feminist party(party which always votes in favor of feminist legislation and is supported by the feminists who only support that party) and the party which the feminists have little control over, who the feminists never support. This can be verified by researching the voting records of any or all members of each party.
Who you would like in office, at this time, is irrelevent. The issue is, who needs to be OUT of office. Feminist political power must be reduced if men are to free themselves. We need to vote for any electable candidate who is not a feminist.
On the Federl level (where almost all anti male legislation comes from) we did 1/3 of that job this past Tues. In 2 years we can finish.
Why any man of voting age does not contribute to the disempowerment of feminists, to best of his ability, is beyond my comprehesion. That means voting.
Well said Mick…I used to vote Libertarian just for my conscience but it was frustrating to see a lack of headway…there are some individual politicians within each party who are still good, though…ron Paul is one example.
I think we ought to begin to create our own actual BILLS though, and lobby to repeal those laws (ie, VAWA, via S.A.V.E.) which affect us.
“VOTE, or don’t complain.”
I think the point of disagreement is because politicians don’t care about men. Why should any man offer their support to any cause that doesn’t care about them? Why should men choose between the “lesser of two evils”?
Complain, complain, complain because voting is immaterial.
I never heard that one, but I do remember him making a couple of other misandric statements. I never thought he was perfect. But I also remember him saying (Quote approximate) “Don’t let feminists fool you. Their about their money and their cunts and that is it.”
Overall, I found a lot more to admire in Carlin than to complain about.
I am changing the game.
When enough eligable voters refuse to participate in their scam we’ll see change.
Here it is from IMDB. It’s from his act “Doin’ It Again” act from 1990.
“I happen to agree with most of the feminist philosophy I have read. I agree, for instance, that for the most part, men are vain, ignorant, greedy, brutal assholes who just about ruined this planet… ” followed by cheers and applause.
“Why should men choose between the “lesser of two evils”?”
Because one is a feminist.
He also said “women are crazy and men are stupid. And the reason women are crazy is because men are stupid.”
So, you think whether or not, the feminists control the House Of Representitives is immaterial, Denis???
@ K.K.
VAWA- The 2011 budget is $730 million, an increase of $130 million over last year. $140 million of the budget is specifically for battered women’s shelters.
I have repeatedly mentioned, throughout men’s groups discussions, that VAWA is up for reauthorization next year and we should contact our Reps and Senators to express our concern. I have even given samples of my conversatios with my legislators regarding VAWA. I go basically ignored.
Let me know what you have in mind about bills, repeals and lobbying.
Every time I have heard/seen Carlin, I have always seen him disguising his lack of talent and ability with crassness and offensiveness…….Someone literally making it BY faking it…..Thats my opinion of him.
@ Andrew
It was Nov. 2nd, not the 3rd
And we took control of the House of Representitives away from The National Organization For Women, NARAL and other like organizations.
Paul,
Any chance of getting my “preview” working before you go away?
@Mickey, how many republicans are opposing VAWA?
Much much better now that we have some form of editing still struggling with youtube though
“For some men, however, the MGTOW lifestyle could mean isolating themselves in studio apartments playing WORLD OF WARCRAFT for hours on end, surrounded by a cubic yard of Budweiser cans. As I write this, there’s an unfortunate group of Japanese bachelors who never leave their apartments until their food runs out…and once they secure more, they again become recluses.”
American men are rapidly heading down the same dead end road. God knows I am. The good news is there’s a happy ending for us all.
Well this is a first. When I saw Type 5′s first comment down-voted into the hole, I couldn’t help but take a look to see what flavor of troll this was. But instead of a troll, I read someone outlining MGTOW 101.
There is no MGTOW lifestyle.
The point of it is that the life-style is your choice. It very probably won’t be the same as the next guy’s.
Nothing in this article resonated with me at all. I don’t need someone else telling me to see a doctor, sort out my financial affairs, to stay positive or to vote. Healthwise, wealthwise, attitudinally and politically savvy-wise, I go toe-to-toe with anyone – and miles better than the typical schmoe stuck with a shrew, debts he can’t manage and a massive coronary coming around the corner.
The advice, as it stands – apart from the 4th item – could be directed at anyone. There is nothing in it to connect it with MGTOW. What this article does it quietly suggest that men going their own way live in their basements playing X-Box (or whatever it’s called now), guzzling beer while they submerge under their debts, ill-health and social isolation.
The author could change a few key-words directing it at single career gals, and post it on Jezebel to get their take. I suspect they would be shorter and ruder than I.
A few thoughts in response to specific comments:
“. VOTE, or don’t complain.”
If you do vote, do not complain. You get what you asked for.
If the greater evil you voted against wins, you lose right away. If the lesser evil you voted for wins, you still lose, for a variety of reasons, one of which is that membership in the ruling class is heady and your candidate will incrementally and inexorably compromise himself in order to stay in the club. He is beholden, not to you, but to his those whose money put and will keep him in office.
Those rare exceptions, such as Ron Paul, who retain their principles, exert little, if any, influence on political outcomes, and usually focus their energies on educational causes.
The voter is party to the sham of a democracy in an advanced state of its inevitable devolution as net takers increasingly outnumber net contributors. The nation is now too large and too culturally heterogeneous, too fractured by seething ethnic and racial conflicts, and its governmental powers far too centralized and unconstrained for democracy to function in any realistic way for the benefit of the people, except the upper two or three percent who effectively control more than 80% of the country’s resources and are now engineering the transfer to themselves of the remaining 20%.
“Too many people in the electorate are opting out of the political process, thinking their vote doesn’t matter. The ‘vested interests’ that thrive on apathy love this.”
The vested interests thrive, not on apathy, but on the illusion of legitimacy and the perception of a “mandate.” They would rather you vote for their opponent than not vote at all.
“In actuality, voting should be the absolute minimum of any man’s participation in the political process.”
The political process is broken beyond repair.
Given the current situation, a young man’s time and energy are best spent on developing manual and intellectual skills; starting a small business or learning a practical trade or profession in order to provide a product or service which others will find valuable in the coming turmoil. thereby increasing his ability to survive and prosper independently of the state; studying basic Austrian economic theory as applied to free markets and commodity-backed money; acquiring and learning how to use firearms for self defense; accumulating tangible assets; forming steadfast friendships with other men of courage and integrity; learning how to date if so inclined and properly select, again if so inclined, a mature, trustworthy, flexible, sweet-tempered mate; building voluntary, mutually supportive associations with like-minded folks for trading purposes, cooperative enterprises, and mutual security; and otherwise minimizing to the extent feasible his interaction with, dependence on, and vulnerability to government.
” If you’re truly concerned about a misandrist government, you should know who your local, state and federal officials are and how to contact them and keep abreast of bills being passed before they become law.”
If a man personally knows the political candidates well enough to assess their character and competence, and if he can personally access them in a reasonably casual and impromptu fashion, then I am willing to ease up a bit on my anti-statist stance at the local level. This is where democracy has a chance of working.
“Why any man of voting age does not contribute to the disempowerment of feminists, to best of his ability, is beyond my comprehesion. That means voting.”
To disempower feminists, and all other petty tyrants for that matter, let us first disempower our first and foremost adversary: the coercive institutions of government, including the judiciary and those complicit male thugs which now dominate law enforcement, to which feminists have resorted in their endeavor to suppress us. To seize, then wield the hammer with which the feminists bludgeoned us leaves in place a hammer which should not even exist.
Finally, here’s my short take on voting and democracy.
I have absolutely no moral authority to vote on how much of my fellow man’s property, his natural rights, or his freedom he gets to keep. I have absolutely no moral authority to delegate to armed agents of the state the power to initiate physical aggression against my neighbor’s person, his family, or his property for any reason. I believe that to vote is to give permission, which is not really mine to give, for some one else to employ violence on my behalf.
More than 90% of what our elected “representatives” spend their time and our money debating and voting on should not even be on the table. Nearly everything we directly vote on at the polls should not even be on the ballot. No one has any right even to be thinking about the stuff they so arrogantly consider to be their bailiwick.
My 2 bits.
Regards.
@Jay take a good look at the LaRouche movement. You’d be surprised.
@Wayne I get where you’re coming from, but all you’ll do then is create a defacto oligarchy which actually makes things worse.
@Mongo You said ” I don’t need someone else telling me to see a doctor, sort out my financial affairs, to stay positive or to vote.” but wasn’t this what the millitant feminists of the 1960s were crying out from the rooftops so to speak, regarding men.
We need to look deeper than just feminism if we want inequality towards men to end. It goes beyond what feminists are doing to something deeper- the barbasrism of antiquity which conditioned men to live the harshest existence possible so that only the strong survived and passed on their genome.
Most men out there, even those who have woken up to feminism, still operte on that social programming. The irony is that despite their misandry and thier approach of emasculation, what feminists have said about aiming to be exclusively an alpha is a bad move for guys (it’s about the only thing and only at that level that feminists have actually gotten right about men).
We need to become Zeta males and that is about recognising that traditionalism and machismo are just as much our enemies as radical feminist attitudes to masculinity.
Now if you’re enlightened enough to recognise that the “just tough it out” exclusively alpha male worshiping approach harms you more than helps you and will do things like go and see a doctor when you need to, then great, you’re already on the right path. But alot of men waking up to things still haven’t properly woken up to the fact that things have NEVER been good for men in society, despite superficial appearances. As such the article was very much needed.
Mickey T @ 4:32
Thanks for the correction.
I have never seen a turn-over in the House make any difference as regards the long-term primary trends toward bigger and bigger government, more and more collectivist idiocy, and deeper and deeper tyranny – the conditions in which the virus of feminism continues to replicate and fester. The emphasis may shift from one issue to another for a time, but whichever issue is in vogue, it will always advance some component of the overall agenda.
If I am wrong this time around, no one will be more pleased than I.
Regards.
No, I don’t think so. The politicians become fearful and think of self preservation.
Approximately 12ish years ago, in New Zealand, approximately 23% of eligible voters bothered playing the game on election day. When Helen Clark realised that she only had a mandate to govern from a majority of those 23% of eligible voters who bothered, she panicked. And not just because she is incredibly ugly. She noticed the trend and also realised the risks associated with trying to govern without the support of 80+% of the adult population in this country. That has been the only time that I’ve noticed a politician giving serious attention to something that doesn’t cause funds to be slipped in to their own back pocket.
Don’t play any games where the deck is stacked against you. A clean deck will be produced if you demand it.
Yeah but you’re also talking about NZ as opposed to AUS or the US. NZ politics has always been a different animal, with NZ for example standing behind its principles as opposed to the Australian sucking up to the nearest protector because of the occaisionally changing but ever present xenophobic paranoia of invasion.
I agree that you have to take a stand, but that stand has to also work in the political climate you’re dealing with. If what you were talking about here, then more would be being made of the current hung parliament here when the media is doing everything it can to distract people from it, while spouting the bullshit that Australia is in recovery when things have only gotten worse and will just continue to do so.
@ Denis
@Denis
Last I checked, ALL dems support it, and aout 1/3 repubs.
BTW- I responded to your last comment to me in the Stephen Frye discussion. Seems everyone left it.
Correction. Where I said “If what you were talking about here”, I meant to say “If what you were talking about were happening here”
Any candidate opposed to VAWA, concerned about men’s unemployment or failing boys is worth supporting. Ask them and you’ll find out if they care.
@ Denis-VAWA clarification
There are provisions in VAWA which benefit men and children. The records should show more than 1/3 repubs voting in favor of it, although they are opposed to provisions such as pre trial dentention etc.. In order to get the beneficial part of the law, it must be voted on in it’s entirety, which includes pre trial detention.
However, it can be amended. We have a better chance of getting it amended with a solid majority in the House and the additional seats we just picked up in the Senate. With a dem majority in the House and Senate is NO hope of getting it amended.
Denis, Sometimes SOMETHING is better than NOTHING.
Mickey, is it going to come down to party lines though? I’d argue you’re better voting for a mix of dems and republicans who would demand it be ammended as that kind of bi-partisan mutiny tends to scare the crap out of the heads of parties. That said, it’s only an option if you can find dems who actively believe in it being ammended.
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Agreed Mickey, anything is better than nothing. However, there needs to be a positive message of support for men’s rights rather than just fear of the alternative.
@Mickey T, I applaud you for engaging the legislators, and I’m sorry you feel ignored. The thing is, you’re DOING it, not watching CSI-Miami or whatever. Once a lot more guys get into the act, who knows what will happen.
Here on A VOICE FOR MEN is another article called Caveat Amator, which concludes with a False Allegation Accountability Act. I encourage everyone to share it with their individual legislators.
@bowspearer
When a dem gets such notion, for example, as perhaps the pre-trial detention provision in VAWA may be a little unfair to men, the party leaders will pounce on him. Granted there are some dems who feel this way but the party WILL NOT allow any member who doesn’t follow feminist ideology to the letter to act on such issues. One MUST comply, in order to be accepted in the party. So much for nice guy dems.
The democratic party is in bed with the feminists. Feminists support the party with a great deal of money and votes. NOW and other such organizations are very wealthy and have a tremdous amount of clout with women at the polls. That’s the same women who have more votes than men, as I described in a previous comment. Votes that so many men think are usless. Think again.
The prevailing plolitical party of this country today is the feminist party.
It would help the MRM if it’s members would simply think of the Democratic Party as the National Organiztion for Women.
Of course, the dems pay the fems back by passing pro female, anti male legislation as well as allocating billions of taxpayer dollars for outragous programs. Sort of quid pro quo, otherwise known as bribery.
No matter how ya slice and dice it Sarah Palin is a FEMINIST and a member of the FEMININST REPUBLICAN PARTY…
Denis,
Isn’t the prospect of less, or no, or not as easy, or blocking….. feminist legislation getting through a positive message?
They don’t rest, They are working on more “evildoing” probably right now as we speak.
Lame ducks and all.
@Dabir Dalton
EXPLAIN THAT!
Then wouldn’t the solutionbe to try and find a way to get some lines of communication open between those who would support it. Invariably with any political party, you have those who are of one persuasion or the other in the minority and the vast minority being undecided. Surely the solution is to find a way to subvert the hold of the Dem leaders on this issue.
The problem with your solution is that it deals with the issue on partisan grounds, leaving it open to simply being repealed once the other side gets back in. You ultimately need to make the egalitarian stance a bipartisan one for the effects to be enduring.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the “Take your advice and shove it!” line had something to do with that.
I apologize for what I said about George Carlin, I was thinking about another one of those comedian guys when I made the comment…Carlin is actually quite smart.
You have some interesting theories and you make some good points. Although I’ve stated in another discussion, that I don’t agree with you on the issues which you discourage, I’m not sure what it is that you encourage. Nothing being unacceptable.
You are a very cynical man, and to say doing what you reccomend against is “folly” I believe is the word you used, sounds a bit arrogant. Especially while you have no practicle suggestios of your own that I’ve seen.
If you support that taking up arms thing, I have a gun collection which I am considering selling part of.
I wish I had the time to address point by point with you.
The above comment is to Andrew
@ bowsrearer
Thanks for your response, but I’ve already addressed the things you mention in my comments. If I’ve missed something, let me know.
Mickey, you said the issue was that Dem reps were meant to tow the party line and that the Dem leaders tried to rule with an iron fist. My point was that it’s easy to do that with an individual, but much harder with a group of people-with the difficulty increasing with the size of the group. If you can get some near-clandestine communication happening and some sort of coalition within the Dems forming, that’s pretty dangerous stuff for the leaders and I doubt they’d risk a perceived party schism over placating a demographic.
Hehehe just like friday nights at the bottle shop
@bowspearer
If I’m understanding you correctly, you are right. That is why I incessantly encourage the electing of the non-fem party.
After last Tues they need ( I don’t have the exact no right now) many repubs to pass VAWA again. It is OUR time to put pressure on the repubs, where there might be hope, while there is no point in trying with the dems.
I didn’t mention repeal, as that would be unrealistic. I mentioned amending. Particularly the pre trial dentention provision.
For those who don’t know what that, is I will explain: Quite simply it is the arresting and incarcerating a man, and holding him in jail until his trial comes up, based only on a woman’s allegation of him committing domestic violence.
@ Dabir
Sarah Palin is a moron…
Mikey, you’ve slightly misunderstood what I was saying. What I was saying is that if the issue remains a partisan one, then while you might get amendments through initially; all that happens when the other side gets in is that they repeal those amendments. By all means make the partisan choice now, as that gives you 4-8 years to work with, but ultimately you need to cause a situation where the Dems face mutiny from within the ranks if they don’t change their stance, to make the amendments truly lasting.
Good plan. But I’m trying to apply a tourniquet to those who don’t know they are bleeding.
But I like your ambition.
Hey I never said it would be easy
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Oh goodness, how empowering. I imagine the feeling I would get, not voting, me enveloped in that sense of control, and not acknowledging those silly government masters. Yep, not voting…that’ll show’em.
Yea, I read all the high minded other discourse around what else one can do (or would it be NOT do…can one DO a NOT do?) to not acknowledge the man. Is this some kind of perverse new anarchy but off the radar thing?
Tell you what it sounds like…its like the folks who trumpet “I dont vote party I vote the man….or….There isnt a wits difference in the parties…..or the simple declaration that one is “moderate”….all, to a one…are shields behind which ignorance lives.
wow this is fucking fascinating.
I bet your lips stick when you talk, Paul. I bet you make a freaky smacking sound or clicking noise when you speak. I bet there’s dry white saliva froth encrusted in the corners of your mouth. When I think of you Paul I don’t think “Man” I think 8th grade math teacher who died a miserable 68 year old virgin homosexual pedophile in denial.
What’s my point? No point at all Paul. Except, this site sucks and it’s already doomed. Cus it’s booooring, just like you.
@chris
Thanks
I personnaly think the PUA mentality is disgusting. Its just another way of showing that women still have a hold over men, because these men are still dependent on sex, and it still shows that these men are still pussywhipped, because they need sex to make them a man, even though I’m not saying getting laid is bad, but it’s not worth losing your manhood over. These fools are nothing but double-agents masquerading as MGTOWs. And to Ross, go fuck yourself! It still shows that you are a slave to your feminist puppetmasters, and will still grovel at their smelly pussy, you pathetic fuck!
@ Redpill
Manhood? Can’t loose what you never had.
@Redpill
I am married and treat my wife with the utmost respect and love. I love getting laid and so does she. I don’t let her put me down and she would not accept it if I did it to her. Does that mean I have no manhood? I can still stand up for mens’ rights and be dedicated to some pussy. You should try it. Maybe you need some better quality pussy to get over you bitterness. Study some pimpology and get to know the pimp in you. They will worship at the alter of the COCK if you know how to handle the situation.
@Redpill- which aspect of it though. If you’re talking about acting a certain way for the sole purpose of getting laid, then I couldn’t agree more. However with things like natural game where the idea is not just to be yourself but be confident within yourself as you are, then I have to disagree as really, that should be what we want for every single man, to be proud of being a man regardless of how much they fit into the alpha or omega categories.