Good Men Project Magazine Runs MRM Special

By Paul Elam

The Good Men Project Magazine has just launched a series of articles regarding the men’s movement in a special that is to run, according to my information, into the next week.

The early results, and I stress early, is a mixed bag.  While it is notable, and quite laudable,  that the website has gone to such extent as to provide an open forum for the dissemination of MRM issues, there is a clear undertone of hostility emanating from both management and readers.  But to clarify, that is based only on one piece by senior editor Henry Balanger, a man I happen to respect but whose article appears biased to me, and one commenter thus far who is already making personal attacks.

My initial assessment could well change in time.

For those interested, the comments are open.  While I understand that my TOS here ends the moment anyone leaves this site, allow me to respectfully suggest that comments to GMPM should be absent of personal attacks, consistent with the TOS of that website and replete with the high quality of commentary so common to the MRM.

I hope that we can follow their rules, even if their own readers might not.

Henry Balanger’s Introduction to the Men’s Movement

My Article on Rape Hysteria and Misandry

An a very good article by Tom Matlack on the Adultery Double Standard.

About Paul Elam

Paul Elam is the founder and publisher of A Voice for Men, the founder of A Voice for Men Radio, the AVfM YouTube Channel, and appears weekly on AVFM Intelligence Report, Going Mental with Dr. Tara Palmatier and weekly on MANstream Media with Warren Farrell and Tom Golden.

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  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

    Their commenting policy can be easily used to silence references to research and silence the MRM agenda (irrelevant):

    Posting threatening, harassing, defamatory, or libelous material
    Posting material that infringes copyright or any other intellectual property interest
    Ad hominem attacks**
    Comparisons to genocidal dictators and their brutal regimes
    Hijacking threads to push your own irrelevant agenda
    Sweeping generalizations
    Posting anything even approaching the length of the original post
    Posting an article from another website
    Putting Good, Good Men, or Good Men Project in quotation marks
    Complaining that we are not erasing your fellow commenters’ comments fast enough

  • Jonathan Mann

    I wonder where the “Good Men Project” find their readers. Do they just establish links to every mangina site in the world? It wouldn’t surprise me given the weak mindedness of their comments section. They remind me of a male college professor I once had who had stated that a woman’s being more likely to be picked up by a cabbie (of either gender) was discrimination against WOMEN! I wonder if there are any black men that might prefer that kind of “discrimination” over the genuine discrimination that they have faced over the years?

    I don’t think that there is a single Western woman alive today that has any idea of the meaning of the words sexist discrimination. The fact that some of them see their greater degree of options in life as discrimination against them makes me sick to my stomach. The fact that some pussy whipped morons that like to refer to themselves as men do their best to enforce that nonsense is even worse.

    I can’t wait till we expose feminism as the worst social scam ever to hit the modern world and make them PAY for all the harm they have caused in their demonic quest for absolute sexist apartheid political power.

  • MRA4life

    A disgusting amount of “mangina” bs on that website BUT I respect them for giving our issues a little time.

    • Snark

      The little bit of respect I might have had for them for giving our issues a little time is overwhelmed by my disgust at their disgusting amount of anti-male BS.

      • http://musingsofaprohuman.blogspot.com/ Lady Catherine

        Burn!

        I don’t like that site either for it’s anti-male attitude. That is all.

        • Snark

          And consider, this from someone who admits to getting off on men’s screams of pain and openly and sincerely refers to her husband as ‘her slave’.

          • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine
          • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine

            I also need to mention that I’m only a sexual sadist. That is all.

          • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine

            Gah! I keep on forgetting shit. “Slave” is terminology in BDSM subculture. A slave is someone who has submitted to you entirely on their own free will.

          • Snark

            I have read that post, which is why I made my above comment.

            As somebody who respects men I can only condone so much, and when a woman starts talking about how she gets off on men’s suffering, you’ve pretty much lost me.

          • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine

            I written that post exactly because of the misconception that people have of BDSM(some people confused it with abuse and sexism) and the terminology.

          • Snark

            But how does any of this counter my post above?

            “As somebody who respects men I can only condone so much, and when a woman starts talking about how she gets off on men’s suffering, you’ve pretty much lost me.”

          • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine

            It doesn’t which really wasn’t my intent.

            But I’ll elaborate my feelings on the matter here.

            I am a lifestyle Domme, my husband is my lifestyle submissive, this WORKS for us. Some people are not into BDSM and that’s fine, I have no problem with these people. I only get off on pain in sexual situations , I do NOT get off on male pain in general everyday situations.

            I do not condone abusive D/s environments which is a serious issue because the line is very blurry and some people are unable to see the difference.

            Yes, I might call my husband my slave, but as I have said whenever this topic comes up, I do respect him the most. I believe it takes a lot of guts to open up to a partner like he does and gave himself to me completely.

            Is D/s for everybody? No. In fact I’ll wager that most people that are kinky wouldn’t be interested in a 24/7 environment where the Dominance and submission took place all of the time unless the sub withdraws consent. It all hinges on the sub’s power to consent to submission.

            That is all. In frith.

          • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

            At least you’re honest about the dom-slave dynamic, most men pretend that they wear the pants. Why isn’t your husband visiting avoiceformen?

  • Eoghan

    The slant against us is clear

    “Amanda Marcotte dissects the gripes of men’s rights activists—and explains exactly how wrong they are.”

    “Hugo Schwyzer explains how a handful of men are angry for all the wrong reasons.”

    but I think that whatever TGMPs agenda is, we profit.

    Any theories on what the actual agenda is?

    Perhaps its not political at all and its really just about controversy and the hits, if not they are scoring a lot of own goals…

    • Snark

      lol @ Amanda Marcotte.

      TGMP just lost all credibility.

      • Eoghan

        Yeah she doing a great job as a useful idiot for us over there.

    • http://huntingforarchetypes.blogspot.com Factory

      “Any theories on what the actual agenda is?”

      Yeah, they want to give us a hearing outside of the manosphere.

      Yes, it’s a feminist site. yes, they’re hostile. And yes, it’s a great opportunity we would be utter morons to pass up.

      • keith

        I think their agenda is to divide men’s issues into factions such as MRA’s and Fathers Rights. Then proceed to bait the commenters to anger.

        I expect a follow-up article denouncing any efforts made by MRA’s.

        I believe we are seeing the divide and conquer strategy applied here.

        The introductory article spelled out the factions (divide)

        • Eoghan

          Tom seems to be tailoring posts for us while this Henry character is attacking us, little bit of good cop bad cop?

      • Eoghan

        I agree with you there, it will be interesting to see how many of the movements writers will be drawn out to comment.

    • Adi

      Hugo Schwyzer is the absolute pits! The ultimate mangina feminist. He censors, shames and blames men all for the purpose of looking like the protector of women. I had arguments with him, that always ended in me being blocked (despite my never use ad hominems policy).

      Anyone who uses his opinion as anything of value makes their biased intentions very very clear to me.

  • http://www.misandryreview.com/ John Dias

    In response to this article:
    “Men’s rights activists: An introduction”
    Here is the comment that I posted on that article:

    My name is John Dias and I am a men’s rights activist. I run a Web site called Misandry Review, which aggregates content from bloggers who are opposed to the cultural contempt for men. My strongest area of expertise is in domestic violence, and I would now like to address the anti-male injustice of domestic violence policy and public response in this comment. In July 2000, the U.S. federal government commissioned a study (NCJ 181867) by feminist researchers Nancy Tjaden and Pat Thoennes which included data on domestic violence-related injuries, and they found that for every female injury victim of male-perpetrated partner violence, there is one male injury victim [1]. That’s a 2-1 ratio of injury victims. Considering the physical differences between men and women, it’s no surprise that female victims are more vulnerable to injury than male victims. However, our society’s domestic violence response toward male victims of partner violence is severely lacking. Domestic violence shelters routeinely turn away adult male victims, even though many of them claim to help male victims because the children of the female victims are sometimes male children; still, a large portion of DV shelters turn adult male victims away.

    How do we know this? Well, the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV) publishes a thick spiral-bound guide which lists every single domestic violence service provider in the United States, and in that guide is a treasure trove of information about which services each shelter offers. The guide also includes survey answers from the various shelters on they serve male victims. The way that the NCADV asks the question to ask for the “maximum age”, if any, that male victims can utilize their services. Some providers answer that all males, of any age, receive either shelter services or at least hotel vouchers. Some males are permitted if they are 12 years old or younger, but none who are older. Some exclude males older than 14. And some shelters exclude all adult males. These shelters can tell the world that they help male victims, but there are two things wrong with that statement. The male victims are not necessarily victims of intimate partner violence, and adult males are excluded. [2] What infuriates me is that these shelters can use this faulty reasoning to get away with saying that they assist male victims, when in fact they turn away most male victims, and then they go on to testify before Congress and claim to serve all male victims in a bid to obtain federal STOP grants under the Violence Against Women Act [3].

    So if male victims of female-perpetrated partner violence comprise about 1/3 of domestic violence-related injuries, yet have so few shelter-based resources to draw upon if they want to escape a toxic and violent environment, what is the alternative? Our society doesn’t even want to explore it. The shelter booklet that I described above has all the data on which shelters actually DO assist male victims in the form of shelters, safehouses and hotel vouchers, but even in the Internet age they refuse to make this data available online. They charge $49.95 for access to a hard copy of their guide. [2] But what really makes my blood boil is that they provide their data electronically, to a Web site called Women’s Law [4], and yet this Web site OMITS ALL THE DATA ON WHICH SHELTERS EITHER EXCLUDE OR ASSIST MALE VICTIMS. If you’re an adult male victim and if you want to know which shelters will assist someone your age, you either have to (A) call around and risk rejection until you finally locate a male-friendly DV shelter, or (B) pay the NCADV 50 bucks and then wait for their guide to arrive in the mail (and possibly get intercepted by the female perpetrator, tipping her off to your intentions).

    Why can’t our society acknowledge the Catch-22 that adult male victims of female-perpetrated partner violence are in? The more we assume that males are powerful, the less we want to face the vulnerabilities of men. Male victims of female-perpetrated abuse are also constrained by their own size and strength advantages; they can’t use self-protective violence specifically BECAUSE as males, they are more powerful. This is the power of female weakness, and the weakness of male power. And it’s a horrible burden for males to bear. What shelter can an adult male victim of female-perpetrated partner violence escape to, if not the “shelter” of an exposed park bench?

    Only the men’s rights movement is articulating these injustices. If men can be injured (not just attacked) by partner violence at a rate of 32% [5] and yet receive such a pittance of the services for DV victims, what recourse is there? Their advocates are in the men’s rights movement, but scarsely elsewhere.

    If anyone wants to contact me for further comment via phone or e-mail, I can be reached here:
    http://www.misandryreview.com/?page_id=2#contact

    __________________________________________

    Footnotes:

    1. “Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings From the National Violence Against Women Survey”
    by Patricia Tjaden and Nancy Thoennes
    July 2000, National Institutes of Justice (NCJ 181867)
    URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm

    2. “2008 National Directory of Domestic Violence Programs”
    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV)
    Price (as of March 8, 2011): $49.95
    URL: shop.ncadv.org/inc/sdetail/119

    3. Congressional testimony before U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee (audio recording and transcript)
    May 5, 2010
    URL: http://www.dvstats.org/2010-05-05-gelles-congressional-testimony.html

    4. WomensLaw.org — State and Local Programs (Shelters)
    URL: http://www.womenslaw.org/gethelp_type.php?type_name=State%20and%20Local%20Programs

    5. Breakdown analysis of Tjaden and Thoennes DV survey results
    By John Dias
    October 1, 2010
    URL: standyourground.com/forums/index.php?topic=20319.msg213119#msg213119

  • http://www.misandryreview.com/ John Dias

    [Note — fixing some typos; disregard my earlier comment above]

    In response to this article:
    “Men’s rights activists: An introduction”
    March 8, 2011
    By Henry P. Belanger
    The Good Men Project
    http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/meet-the-mens-rights-movement/

    Here is my comment:
    http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/meet-the-mens-rights-movement/#comment-17562

    My name is John Dias and I am a men’s rights activist. I run a Web site called Misandry Review, which aggregates content from bloggers who are opposed to the cultural contempt for men. My strongest area of expertise is in domestic violence, and I would now like to address the anti-male injustice of domestic violence policy and public response in this comment. Footnotes to support my statements are displayed at the bottom.

    In July 2000, the U.S. federal government commissioned a study (NCJ 181867) by feminist researchers Nancy Tjaden and Pat Thoennes which included data on domestic violence-related injuries, and they found that for every female injury victim of male-perpetrated partner violence, there is one male injury victim [1]. That’s a 2-1 ratio of injury victims. Considering the physical differences between men and women, it’s no surprise that female victims are more vulnerable to injury than male victims. However, our society’s domestic violence response toward male victims of partner violence is severely lacking. Domestic violence shelters routinely turn away adult male victims, even though many of these shelter providers claim to “help” male victims merely because the children of the *female* victims are sometimes boys; still, a large portion of DV shelters turn away *adult* males.

    How do we know this? Well, the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV) publishes a thick spiral-bound guide which lists every single domestic violence service provider in the United States, and in that guide is a treasure trove of information about which services each shelter offers. The guide also includes survey answers from the various shelters on whether they serve male victims. The way that the NCADV asks the question is to ask for the “maximum age”, if any, that male victims can utilize the shelter’s services. Some service providers answer that all males — of any age — receive either shelter-based services or at least hotel vouchers. Some males are permitted if they are 12 years old or younger (but no males who are older). Some exclude male who are older than 14. And some shelters exclude all adult males. These shelters can tell the world that they help male victims, but there are two things wrong with that statement: One, the male victims are not necessarily victims of *intimate partner* violence; and two, adult males are excluded from receiving shelter services. [2] What infuriates me is that these shelters can use this faulty reasoning to get away with saying that they assist male victims, when in fact they turn away most male victims, and then they go on to testify before Congress and claim to serve all male victims in a bid to obtain federal STOP grants under the Violence Against Women Act [3].

    So if male victims of female-perpetrated partner violence comprise about 1/3 of domestic violence-related injuries, yet have so few shelter-based resources to draw upon if they want to escape a toxic and violent environment, what is the alternative for them? Our society doesn’t even want to explore it. The shelter booklet that I described above has all the data on which shelters actually DO assist male victims in the form of shelters, safehouses and hotel vouchers, but even in the Internet age they refuse to make this data available online. They charge $49.95 for access to a hard copy of their guide. [2] But what really makes my blood boil is that they provide their data electronically, to a Web site called Women’s Law [4], and yet this Web site OMITS ALL THE DATA ON WHICH SHELTERS EITHER EXCLUDE OR ASSIST MALE VICTIMS. If you’re an adult male victim and if you want to know which shelters will assist someone your age, you either have to (A) call around and risk rejection until you finally locate a male-friendly DV shelter, or (B) pay the NCADV 50 bucks and then wait for their guide to arrive in the mail (and possibly get intercepted by the female perpetrator, tipping her off to your intentions).

    Why can’t our society acknowledge the Catch-22 that adult male victims of female-perpetrated partner violence are in? The more we assume that males are powerful, the less we want to face the vulnerabilities of men. Male victims of female-perpetrated abuse are also constrained by their own size and strength advantages; they can’t use self-protective violence specifically BECAUSE as males, they are more powerful. This is the power of female weakness, and the weakness of male power. And it’s a horrible burden for males to bear. What shelter can an adult male victim of female-perpetrated partner violence escape to, if not the “shelter” of an exposed park bench?

    Only the men’s rights movement is articulating these injustices. If men can be injured (not just attacked) by partner violence at a rate of 32% [5] and yet receive such a pittance of the services for DV victims, what recourse is there? Their advocates are in the men’s rights movement, but scarsely elsewhere.

    If anyone wants to contact me for further comment via phone or e-mail, I can be reached here:
    http://www.misandryreview.com/?page_id=2#contact

    __________________________________________

    Footnotes:

    1. “Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings From the National Violence Against Women Survey”
    by Patricia Tjaden and Nancy Thoennes
    July 2000, National Institutes of Justice (NCJ 181867)
    URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm

    2. “2008 National Directory of Domestic Violence Programs”
    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV)
    Price (as of March 8, 2011): $49.95
    URL: shop.ncadv.org/inc/sdetail/119

    3. Congressional testimony before U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee (audio recording and transcript)
    May 5, 2010
    URL: http://www.dvstats.org/2010-05-05-gelles-congressional-testimony.html

    4. WomensLaw.org — State and Local Programs (Shelters)
    URL: http://www.womenslaw.org/gethelp_type.php?type_name=State%20and%20Local%20Programs

    5. Breakdown analysis of Tjaden and Thoennes DV survey results
    By John Dias
    October 1, 2010
    URL: standyourground.com/forums/index.php?topic=20319.msg213119#msg213119

  • Ubermensch

    Please, I know that this is way off topic, but you guys have to check this site out. http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/pellissier20110215
    just to have a taste of what I am talking about:
    “Even with a mandatory women-only government, allowing men to vote will be dangerous: they would vote for aggressive risk-taking women, thus voiding the benefits of a women-only government.

    Therefore, it will be regretfully necessary to remove voting rights from men.

    But violent men may resent this just and aggressively demand that their voting rights be restored, which may cause social unrest.

    Therefore, it will be sadly necessary to confine the most violent men, identified by means of mandatory genetic scans, and eventually all men, to detention camps.

    But violent men with a mistaken, socially dangerous, hormone-induced drive for liberty, may try to escape from detention camps.

    A final solution based on the physical elimination of the most aggressive men, and eventually all men, will unfortunately become the only viable option for a just and peaceful world.”
    This was a man who said this! The man admitted later that he was joking, however, not before another man said this: “@ Guilio – I think you have presented a valuable and plausible scenario and I am curious to see how David responds to it.” It is that bad people.

  • Pankaj

    Should we start a “Good Women project”? Oh, no! that would be sexist and piggish and bad, and the Good men Project folks will frown upon it.

    Am I the only one that finds a Good Men (..what ever that may mean..) PROJECT, to be too orwellian to miss?

  • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

    Ther tip off for me about the GMPM? They received praise from Ms(andry) Magazine.

    Bye bye!

  • http://theduststorm.blogspot.com Dusty

    I like how they can’t present MRM articles without having the requisite “rebuttal” articles alongside. They might as well say, “Here’s the men’s rights movement- oh, and here’s why it’s bullshit…”

    Let readers decide for themselves.

    • http://theduststorm.blogspot.com Dusty

      I also like how they try to make us out to be “wacky” and “out there,” as though mainstream feminist authors haven’t said some really crazy shit.

      Mary Daly, who taught at a major university and kept men out of her classes for 25 years, actually said that men are against abortion because they identify with dead fetal tissue. She said they identify with anything that takes from a woman and drains her of life. She actually said that.

    • Snark

      First they ignore you, then laugh at you, then fight you, then you win.

      Over the last few months we seem to have rapidly passed from the second to the third stage. They can’t afford to ignore us any more, and laughing isn’t doing them any good since our numbers just keep on growing.

  • Gender-based violence

    Not the right spot for this but coulodn’t see where else it would fit. Seeings it is march 8 it might be useful to look at the unacknowledged background of Woman’s Day: http://www.international-mens-day.com/IWD_IMD.php

  • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

    And about the “handful of men who are angry…” statement? Next woman who says that or something like it, I will say:

    “Go sign on the internet right now. Look at all the forums, the videos and comments on Youtube . The amount of men’s websites. Look at just how many men are thinking this way. Agreeing with these things. Consider that it is not just men in the U.S., but Europe and the U.K. as well. If thousands and thousands of men are adapting this way of thinking because we are all just ‘angry’ and ‘crazy’ honey then you’d REALLY have to worry.”

    But it’s not men just going crazy-it’s men going sane.

    • http://counterfem.blogspot.com fidelbogen

      “Consider that it is not just men in the U.S., but Europe and the U.K. as well.”

      Don’t forget India, China, Mexico and beyond….

  • Aharon

    Paul, great piece! The GMP is a mangina rag though I appreciate them publishing your article.

  • The Enlightener

    Check out this piece of misandric poop:

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/03/08/daniel-craig-dresses-in-drag-for-international-womens-day/

    It has 285,000 views on YouTube.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

    Paul also posted an article at GMPM. It’s almost impossible to find and not shown on their home page or blog feed. It looks like Paul has been sent to the back of the bus.

    http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/on-misandry-whats-wrong-with-men/

    • http://huntingforarchetypes.blogspot.com Factory

      Click on the “Ethics and Values” link first…Paul’s article is there…

  • Keyster

    Don’t dis them.
    Reach out to their readership.
    These are merely men on the brink of swallowing the red pill.

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      Y’know I think Tom is actually on the precipice.

  • http://www.shrink4men.com Dr Tara J. Palmatier

    Just tried leaving a comment twice on the article. They have some “indieclick optimize” thing that refreshes their analytics intermittently, which caused me to lose the text I entered along with my interest in leaving a comment on the site.

    Annoying in more ways than one.

    • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

      LOL me too!!

    • keith

      I found it best to comment on your notepad and then copy and paste

    • Eoghan

      Ive taken to typing replies out elsewhere and c/ping them to tgmp.

    • Jimmy

      Happened to me last time I commented there, however I found that when I hit reply again after the refresh, the text I had written reappeared and I could just carry on with my reply.

    • Keyster

      Yeah, me too.
      Pretty lame user experience.
      That would not last at any MRA site.

    • Alphabeta Supe

      Me too. This indicates contempt for their readers and how much they truly value pithy comments. I’ve made this point in comments there before but nothing has been done about it. A readership that tolerates that degree of disrespect is probably too docile to be much help to the MRM, IMHO.

      • !!SPARTA!!

        I’m using a script blocker that stops it from refreshing every 5 minutes…

    • http://equalitythrouhghtruth.blogspot.com/ Jean Valjean

      I noticed that too but it never deleted what I wrote. I just scrolled down the page and what I wrote was still there.

      It is annoying though but after several posts I’ve not lost anything.

    • http://huntingforarchetypes.blogspot.com Factory

      If you click on the Reply button to the comment you’re responding to again once it refreshes, you will find your previous text is still there…

  • http://thepigmancometh.com/ Porky D.

    As i suspected, this is a far from objective look at we the “lunatic fringe” so i will simply repeat the comment i left at their site…

    “The first paragraph makes the writer’s contempt for MRAs clear, hence i will save myself the trouble of reading further.”

  • Stu

    Of course feminists will seek to wipe men off the face of the earth. That is the eventual goal of every hate movement. They of course are relying on men to come up with the technology to make ourselves obsolete. I don’t mean just reproductive technology, thats already been done. What has to be done is fully automated production, and I mean fully automated, from mining, growing food, etc etc. The system would have to repair itself, obtain all resources from raw materials to finished goods without human involvment. In other words, an army of terminator style robots operating all production.

    The world would then become nothing but a big playground for grown up little girls, no boys allowed. They could be as incompetent, narcistic, materialistic, and emotional basket cases as they wanted, and all their needs and wants would continue being taken care of.

    Us men have been gradually making ourselves obsolete since we invented the wheel.

    Well there is going to be a big shock coming for the feminists, regardless of how willing men seem to be to create this utopia for women, it’s not going to happen. My prediction for the future isn’t Jetsons or Startrek, it’s more like the flintstones. And I’ll even go as far to say that we’ll see the beginning of the slide backwards in standards of living, technology, population, in the next 10 or 15 years. Let’s see how willing women are to launch resource wars when we are in the grips of energy crisis, fuel crisis, food crisis. It’s all coming in the not too distant future

  • http://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

    Anyone who wants to be suspicious of TGMP won’t get an argument from me.

    However, they do occasionally have a good article. For example, Paul Elam’s been over there a couple of times now. We’ve also got some good commenters on our side who make a lot of great points. And speaking personally, Tom Matlack and members of his staff Tweeted a highly critical blog I wrote on Kay Hymowitz a couple of weeks ago which bumped up my visits considerably.

    I’m going to pop in there on occasion, play nice in the comments, and Tweet them when they have worthwhile stuff.

  • The Enlightener

    Likely they are playing to the common denominator.

    As always, it comes down to $$$$$$$$$$$

    Or in TGMP’s case,

    $$

  • The Enlightener

    My comment:

    “No one, for example, takes Valerie Solanis, author of the satirical SCUM Manifesto, quite as seriously—with the possible exception of Andy Warhol, for a split second, in 1968—as men’s rights activists.”

    I would love to see the reaction if you said something like this with the genders reversed.

    I guess it’s only funny when a woman tries to kill a man.

    I’m not laughing.

    “They see everything through the lens of a zero-sum gender war. Everywhere, men get a raw deal at the hands of women. Anywhere women have made advances, it’s at the expense of men.”

    BS.

    It’s a battle between equal opportunity and equal outcomes. MRAs favor equal opportunity for all. Feminists favor equal outcomes, which really just means special privileges for women at the expense of men.

    “Like that blogger told me, these guys hang around. There must be some basis for their tenacity.”

    One of the greatest injustices of the western world, misandry, oh yes, I can be passionate about fighting THAT.

    Righteous anger, baby. It’s contagious.

    Okay, there’s a lot of ignorance in this article, so I’ll just lump the rest of my corrections in one reply.

    “It’s therefore understandable why they don’t see the benefits of being in the ‘patriarchy.'”

    I’m not in the patriarchy. I have never been privileged on account of my penis. I have had to earn my way through life. This is more than many woman can say. Is that their fault? Not directly. But policies that give special privileges and entitlements to women and girls at the expense of men and boys are inherently misandric.

    Feminism, instituted by the government and corporations which promote women’s groups, does three key things to favor women over men: 1) focus only on issues affecting women, never men; 2) distort the statistics to make it appear that women are disadvantaged when they are not; 3) act as if giving special privileges to women is “equality” even though this necessary hurts men’s opportunities because they don’t receive any privileges. I know I never did.

    “Removed from the hysterical rhetoric, MRAs have some valid complaints. Several movement-affiliated organizations—some more legitimate than others—fight for the rights of male victims of discrimination. Glenn Sacks’ Fathers & Families, a lobbying, PR, and advocacy group that has influenced family law policy around the country, is one. Another is RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting), a nonprofit group that argues that domestic violence is perpetrated equally by men and women.”

    Merely an attempt to divide and conquer. It’s not going to work, chum. Catering to the center isn’t going to get you anywhere. http://avoiceformen.com/2011/01/29/everyone-in-the-mrm-should-watch-this-video/

    In fact, that’s your whole problem. You’re catering to man-haters in an attempt to draw a crowd and get more money.

    Guess what? Society is bored of misandry. It’s not going to net you a profit. That’s why feminist blogs are dying or dead. They are not new or interesting.

    Don’t think we will forget, buddy. When TGMP fails, don’t think we’ll give you forgiveness for your blatant misandry.

    You won’t receive a cent of my money.

    My time and money goes to the men’s rights movement, and boy do I have a lot of it now that I’ve stopped listening to frauds like you.

    By the way, fix your blog so it doesn’t randomly refresh and delete comments, silly. Remember, this is all about the money for you.

    “There are plenty of guys out there who would like to see gender roles not simply reversed—a prospect that has Hanna Rosin twirling with glee and MRAs blitzed on rage-ahol—but obliterated altogether.”

    Um, you think I wouldn’t love it if gender roles were reversed? I could stay at home and raise the kids while mommy goes off to war? Sounds like a pretty good deal, man.

    “We have to expec that there will lots more of disaffected, disillusioned guys out there in the years to come, struggling to understand how they fit in to a changing world—which means we can expect interest in men’s issues to grow.”

    Well, you blew your chance, bud. Just couldn’t help but take a piss on men’s rights, could you? Don’t think we will let you or any of your readers forget it in the future, pal. You’re done.

    You are simply a tool, soon to be disposed of, for the MRM to gain attention.

    Thanks for the help.

  • The Enlightener

    “Oops I sent a couple of your advertisers the following e-mail:

    Subject: Advertiser defrauding you out of $ per impression

    Hi,

    I noticed the following advertiser is linking to one of your ads with a “cost per impression” link:

    http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/meet-the-mens-rights-movement/

    However, their blog refreshes every couple minutes, seemingly in an attempt to inflate the number of impressions.

    I thought you should know.

    Thank you,

    Jay”

    • The Enlightener

      If anyone else can provide contacts for TGMP’s advertisers who are being scammed, please let me know.

      jaymhammers@gmail.com

    • The Enlightener

      “Hysterical” or just had one beer too many last night?

      You decide.

  • The Enlightener

    Feministing loves TGMP:

    “Over at The Good Men Project (add it to your Google reader! Add it now!), friend of the site Amanda Marcotte has a fantastic article about Men’s Rights Activists. According to Marcotte, there’s a one-word solution to all the things MRAs complain about: feminism.”

    http://feministing.com/2011/03/08/quick-hit-amanda-marcotte-on-men%E2%80%99s-rights-activists/

  • hestia

    I made a few comments and would genuinely love to hear one of the feminist commenters address my comment about Selective Service and MGM. I’ve yet to have a feminist thoughtfully address either issue (or male-on-male sexual assault and DV against men–the issues I usually bring up in debate) but hold onto the delusional hope that some day someone will.

    “Amanda, is your hope for “more feminism” going to solve the gross inequity of male only conscription and the resulting consequences for young men who do not register with Selective Services? What about the legality of male genital mutilation in a nation that rightfully does not allow such barbaric practices on baby girls? Both are serious questions as I personally believe these to be two issues of grave injustice in this country and ones that must be addressed by those who claim to want equality for all.”

  • http://www.goodmenproject.com Tom Matlack

    Hey man, just wanted to thank you for working with us and bringing the MRM point of view to the table.

    Tom
    @tmatlack

    • The Enlightener

      Was it necessary for the opening article by Henry to paint men’s rights activists as “hysterical” and spread misinformation? Feminist bullshit in the opening article?

      If TGMP thinks continuing to cater to feminists, white knights, and many women, is going to get the big bucks in the long run, they’re quite mistaken.

      Making the worst, most anti-male articles visible on the front page while hiding the best, most pro-male articles isn’t a good sign either.

      Anyway, thanks for doing this series.

      • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

        It’s not about the money, it’s all about the feminist propaganda.

  • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine
    • Aharon

      Thank you for what you wrote on your blog supporting the MRM.

      • http://musingsofprohuman.blogspot.com Lady Catherine

        No problem. As weird as I might be(I’m neither a MRA or feminist, but rather someone with a unique ideology), I actually agree with a lot of what you guys are saying about men’s rights issues, and I went in to that magazine hoping to find some constructive discussion about the issues and I did not find what I was looking for(ugh).

  • Novaseeker

    Gentlemen —

    The reason why they are giving our ideas an airing (together with their own biased bashing) is that they are worried.

    People like Marcotte and Schwyzer and Balangar and so on are also well aware of what is taking place all over the internet now. Just in the past month, we had the (admittedly smart from the perspective of generating interest for her book) now infamous Hymowitz article at The Wall Street Journal generate over 1000 comments, many of them reflecting manosphere memes quite strongly — and the WSJ is not a dark corner of the internet, it’s about as establishment as you can get.

    And that’s just one very recent example. I’ve seen recent comment threads at sites like CNN having the same ideas, post after post, as well. I honestly think a lot of eyes on the other side are being opened — not minds, mind you, but eyes — to the level of interest in these ideas among men, especially younger men. And they are concerned. They see the ideas spreading and being expressed now in the mainstream … and that worries them.

    If they were not worried, they would simply ignore us or laugh at us — as has been their strategy in the past. They now are seeing the ideas spread, so they are switching to the tactic of confronting the ideas, trying to refute or weaken them directly — again due to worry that if they do not, they will spread even more.

    Their problem, of course, is that their perspectives do not reflect the experiences of many/most men, particularly younger men, in this culture — whereas ours do. Their website is an attempt to move men toward feminist ideas, and they can see that our ideas are growing among a larger number of men than theirs are, and at a much faster rate — and this worries them.

    All of this is good news. Sharpen your swords. We have the truth on our side and they do not. But remember as well — they are fighting directly now because they are concerned. And this is very good news indeed.

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      Extremely well said.

    • Aharon

      Good post Novaseeker.

      I’ve posted around the manosphere lately that when it comes to measuring the MM growth and awareness among men (and women) that the usual criteria cannot be used.

      Men are solo hunters whereas women are mass herd animals. Women network well in creating mass support groups and in drawing the faithful in for mass rallies. At most, us men operate comfortably in smaller teams.

      Men, unlike women, can reach decisions and take actions more on their own will than women. We may never have drawn together a big rally in Central Park yet tens of millions of men are saying no to marriage, ghosting, and MGTOW. Daily, more men are waking up to our way of thinking and acting. Occassionally, we inspire some of them yet wonderfully for our gender men are just doing things on their own.

      Regardless of the feminist-driven propoganda in the schools, mass media, TV, advertising, etc — men are usually not buying into the bs. Sure, some men buy into it to a degree especially maybe the younger ones until the have gotten away from school. However, many younger men have grown up with crazed feminist mothers and teachers. They younger guys know the truth. Most are not brainwashed drones. They’re the ones who know not to marry as they have seen what it has done to other men.

      Our numbers of allied men are already in the millions and most have not even YET :) heard about the MM. Let’s get the word out!

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      The same thing is happening in Canadian media. Men are speaking up and dominating the discussions about gender issues.

  • Tim

    Paul,

    What do you make of Marcotte and Futrelle’s assertion that MRA’s are mostly an internet phenom? It’s true, we don’t actually meet one another, we have no clubs or organizations. But we are awfully damned lively – online.

    Going forward, what do you see in the next decade or so, regarding the MRM? Will we have Male Studies Departments in all universities nationwide? Will we have any federal funds released to us? Lastly, can we really tackle institutional feminism with strictly online persistence?

    And excellent radio show, btw. I listen every Tuesday.

    • http://huntingforarchetypes.blogspot.com Factory

      Considering the fact that we are about propagating IDEAS, not standing in large groups on a lawn somewhere, I would say results count for more than optics do.

      We are growing. Fast.

      They are shrinking. Fast.

      That should be all you need to know…

      :)

    • http://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

      Tim-“What do you make of Marcotte and Futrelle’s assertion that MRA’s are mostly an internet phenom?”

      That’s not a very good criticism on their part in my opinion. Seems to me there are a whole heck of a lot of “Internet phenomenons” changing the world these days.

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      Glad you like the show. What I make of Futrelle is that he is a moron. And he demonstrates it quite effectively with the idea that there is any tangible difference between human beings that frequent the internet and those that you pass by on the street.

      The internet is the only accurate barometer that measures peoples thinking without being muddled by PC.

      What I see in the future has little to do with male studies or other organized initiatives. Ten years from now (and likely a lot less) there will be a sufficient amount of MGTOW/Zeta males in the population that it will be setting the culture on it’s ear. They could even be the vocal majority.

      They will likely not identify as MRA. They will, in fact, according to what is left of the MSM, just be that many more asshole males.

      But they will be unmarried, untethered asshole males in possession of all of their assets, and they won’t give a rat’s ass what people think about it.

  • yurlungur

    Why waste your time on this site.
    most of us think has an anti male bias. Is it really worth your time, effort and happiness? when you could be commenting on mainstream sites.

    Your a talented sculptor; your given a hammer and chisel.
    You begin your work ,but the rock is too hard so progress is slow.
    After many months of work you eventually finish; yes your happy at your work, but your more relived that the work is over.

    Why waste your talents working on hard rock when you could be working on soft malleable rock?

    • http://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

      I can’t speak for Paul Elam’s particular motivations.

      But Good Men Project has a large audience. If a few dudes (or possibly some dudettes) are exposed to our ideas there for the first time and get inspired, it’s a win.

      But I also understand the view that “Good Men” may have ulterior motives.

      • Eoghan

        Looks like they wanted to learn about us and replicate us.

        My view…

        In the history of that movement, they co-opted the feminism to house the eugenics movement, they co-opted the marxism that was injected into american culture by the KGB in the 50s and 60s and the civil rights movement, now it looks like they are trying to do the same to us.