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The rise of chivalric love

Love and war have always been opposed, as we see in our usual phrase ‘make love not war’ or in the rhetoric of pro and anti-war camps. That the two are mutually exclusive is obvious enough. However, in twelfth century Europe something peculiar happened that ushered in a melding of these two contrary principles. Here the military code known as chivalry was mated with the fancies of courtly love to produce a bastard child which we will here call chivalric love (today we simply label it ‘chivalry’). Prior to this time chivalry always referred to the military code of behaviour –one that varied from country to country– but one which had absolutely nothing to do with romantic love.

What method did twelfth century society use to bring this about? In a word, shaming.

The medieval aristocracy began to ramp up the practice of shaming by choosing the worst behaviours of the most unruly males and extrapolating those behaviours to the entire gender. Sound familiar? Knights were particularly singled out –much like today’s sporting heroes who display some kind of faux pas- to be used as examples of bad male behaviour requiring the remedy of sweeping cultural reform.

During this time of (supposedly) unruly males, uneducated squires were said to ride mangy horses into mess halls, and rude young men diverted eyes from psalters in the very midst of mass. Among the knights and in the atmosphere of tournaments occasional brawls with grisly incidents occurred – a cracked skull, a gouged eye – as the betting progressed and the dice flew. Male attention to clothing and fashion was said to be appalling, with men happy to go about in sheep and fox skins instead of clothes fashioned of rich and precious stuffs, in colours to better suit them in the company of ladies. And perhaps worst of all were their lack of refinement and manners toward women which was considered offensive.

How and by whom was this unruly ‘gender’ going to be reformed? One of the first solutions was posed by a French Countess named Marie. According to historian Amy Kelly, with her male reforming ideas;

“Marie organized the rabble of soldiers, fighting-cocks, jousters, springers, riding masters, troubadours, Poitevin nobles and debutantes, young chatelaines, adolescent princes, and infant princesses in the great hall of Poitiers. Of this pandemonium the countess fashioned a seemly and elegant society, the fame of which spread to the world. Here was a woman’s assize to draw men from the excitements of the tilt and the hunt, from dice and games, to feminine society, an assize to outlaw boorishness and compel the tribute of adulation to female majesty.”1

Countess Marie was one among a long line of reformers to help usher in a gynocentrism whose aim was to convince men of their shared flaws –essentially to shame them- and to prescribe romantic love and concomitant worship of females as the remedy. Via this program romantic love was welded onto the military code and introduced as a way to tame men’s rowdiness and brutality, something today’s traditionalists agree with in their call for men to adhere to these same male roles established first in medieval Europe. One of today’s authorities on this period describes the training of knights in her observation, “The rise of courtly love and its intersection with chivalry in the West are both events of the twelfth century. The idea that love is ennobling and necessary for the education of a knight comes out of the lyrics of this period, but also in the romances of knighthood. Here the truest lovers are now the best knights.”2

With romantic love firmly established within the chivalric code we begin to see the romantic behaviours of soldiers so familiar to us today; going to fight and die for his Lady, love letters from the front lines, a crumpled photo of his sweetheart in a uniform pocket. Rather than for man, king and country it is his love for “her” that now drives a man’s military sacrifice. This is also the reason why today’s movies portraying warzones and carnage always include a hero and his Lady/Damsel pausing for a passionate tongue kiss while the bombs explode around them, as if to suggest that all this carnage is for the sake of her and romantic love. Once accepted into the chivalric canon various love “rules” were enforced with military might –by white knights as we call them- and the resulting culture has been unstoppable. To try and stop it brings the wrath of all those white knights who will bury your ass into the ground for breaking this new military goal of chivalric love.

Prior to the Middle Ages romantic love was usually considered with suspicion and even viewed as a sign of mental instability requiring removal from the source of trouble and perhaps a medical solution. In the context of universally arranged marriages, romantic love, if it was indulged at all, was done so in a discreet and often underground way without the sanction of polite society. This was the situation worldwide until the advent of the European revolution.

The cult of chivalric love took root first among the aristocratic classes and soon after reached the common classes through literature and storytelling. Romance literature in particular. Having germinated initially in Germany and France in the twelfth centuries, the cult spread on the wings of a burgeoning book production industry that would bring the gynocentric revolution to the entire European continent.

When one considers the subjects in these books – Gawain and Guinevere, Tristan and Isolde, heroic male deeds for women, love scandals, courtship, upper-class weddings, adultery, and status – we are reminded immediately of today’s women’s magazines that spill out of the magazine racks of shops and waiting rooms.

Women’s magazines and the omnipresent romance novel –and women’s gluttony for them- can be traced back to this early period in which the term romance was actually coined. According to Jennifer Wollock, a professor of Literature at Texas University, such literature had a substantial female readership along with mothers reading to their daughters. Wollock states that the continuing popularity of chivalric love stories is also confirmed by the provenance of romance manuscripts and contents of women’s libraries of the late Middle Ages.2

The three behaviors of chivalric love-code

Keeping with the male side of the equation, the main behaviors prescribed by the code of chivalric love are the doing of romantic deeds, gallantry and vassalage.

Prior to its redeployment in romantic relationships gallantry referred to any courageous behaviour, especially in battle. The word can still mean that. However, under the rules of chivalric love it became, according to the Google dictionary definition, “Polite attention or respect given by men to women.” Can these two definitions of gallantry be any further apart? Like the contraries of military chivalry vs. chivalric love, these two definitions of gallantry stretch the definition to cover two completely different domains of behaviour. It appears then that women of the time successfully harnessed men’s greatest sacrificial behaviours –chivalry and gallantry- to indulge their narcissistic appetites.

A vassal is defined as a bondman, a slave, a subordinate or dependent, or a person who entered into a mutual obligation to a lord or monarch in the context of the feudal system in medieval Europe. The obligations often included military support and mutual protection in exchange for certain privileges, usually including the grant of land held as a fiefdom. Vassalage was then utilized as a conceit that Maurice Valency called “the shaping principle of the whole design of courtly love.”3 Whether it was a knight, troubadour, or commoner the vassal-to-woman routine was the order of the day then, exactly as it is today.4 Poets adopted the terminology of feudalism, declaring themselves the vassal of the lady and addressing her as midons (my lord), which was taken as standard flattery of a woman. One particularly striking practice showing an adaption from the feudal model involved the man kneeling on one knee before the woman. By kneeling down in this way he assumes the posture of a vassal. He speaks, pledging his faith, promising, like a liege man, not to offer his services to anyone else. He goes even further: in the manner of a serf, he makes her a gift of his entire person.

Citing evidence of vassalism Amy Kelly writes, “As symbolized on shields and other illustrations that place the knight in the ritual attitude of commendation, kneeling before his lady with his hands folded between hers, homage signified male service, not domination or subordination of the lady, and it signified fidelity, constancy in that service.”5

Kneeling pics
In short it was the lover’s feudal relationship between vassal and overlord which provided the lover with a model for his humble and servile conduct.2


The lead actors – then and now
Imagine twelfth century Europe as a great stage performance enacting the themes of chivalric love, one that would become so popular its actors would continue to serve as role models for the global population 800 years later. The lead actors in this medieval play are as follows, accompanied (in brackets) with the titles we apply to those same actors today as they continue this ancient drama:

Courtly Ladies (= Feminists). Feminists today refer to courtly ladies of the late Middle Ages as the first feminists, or protofeminists, and as with modern feminists these women enjoyed considerable privilege and means. In the 12th – 14th centuries evidence shows that women began to agitate for increased authority over the ‘correct’ way for men and women to conduct relationships, with particular emphasis on what they felt were acceptable roles for males in a dignified and civil society. Not surprisingly this was precisely the time when powerful women were able to establish the female-headed ‘courts of love’ which acted in a comparable way to today’s Family Courts in that both arbitrated love disputes between conflicting couples.

Key literature from the period detailing proper etiquette expected in gender relations was commissioned for writing by powerful women (eg. ‘The Art of Courtly love’) and in some cases was written by women themselves (eg. Christine de Pizan’s writings or those of Marie de France). The emerging discourse acted like a drug that promised the introduction of a one-sided power for females over males, and through the dissemination of romance literature that promise rapidly spread to all social classes in the continent. We have been living with the consequences ever since, a revolution far more significant to the history gender relations than the introduction of the birth control pill and no-fault divorce combined- the latter being mere epiphenomena generated within a larger culture of chivalric love.

The archetypes introduced into society by these high-born ladies are instantly recognizable; the damsel in distress (women as innocent, woman as helpless, women as victim), the princess (women as beautiful, women as narcissistic subject requiring devotion, women as deserving of special privileges), and the high born Ladies (women as morally pure, women as precious, women as superior, women as entitled). These illusions ensured that the attentions of men would be spent attending to women, a program so successful that modern feminists continue to shape today’s cultural landscape with the program of their protofeminists forebears. And just like their forebears, feminists continue to use shaming narratives to facilitate their pedestalizing inheritance.

White Knights (= White Knights). We retain this metaphor for such heroic individuals, men who are gallant in so many ways, but mostly the wrong ways such as showing-off to undeserving women and concomitantly delighting in competing with and hurting other men. More than any other player in this play, white knights specialize in gallant behaviour for the purpose of impressing and ultimately getting their egos stroked by women.

For these first white knights the tournament, the forerunner to modern sporting tournaments, consisted of chivalrous competitions or fights in the Middle Ages. In these fights knights were only too willing to hurt their fellow men to win the praise of female spectators. The competitors were observed doing battle by women who would throw their garments into the arena where the sportsmen would pick them up and wear pieces of women’s clothes -hence the male wearing a particular woman’s scarf would represent her in the tournament.

The men were basically fighting for “her” then, just as they did elsewhere on real battlefields for wife and mother. The gallant man who won his tournament was granted an opportunity to dally with the woman whom he represented in the ring. We retain this gynocentric tradition today as golf tournaments, football tournaments, martial arts tournaments and so on, all designed to show male prowess where the winning competitors get to dally with the best ladies.

Other activities of white knights include impressing women with big gestures of protection. For example, the ‘Enterprise of the Green Shield with the White Lady’ was a chivalric order founded by Jean Le Maingre and twelve knights in 1399 committing themselves to the protection of women. Inspired by the ideal of courtly love, the stated purpose of the order was to guard and defend the honour, estate, goods, reputation, fame and praise of all ladies and damsels, an undertaking that earned the praise of Christine de Pizan. Le Maingre, tired of receiving complaints from ladies, maidens, and widows claiming to be oppressed by powerful men bent on depriving them of the lands and honours, and finding no knight or squire willing to defend their just cause, founded an order of twelve knights sworn to carry “a shield of gold enamelled with green and a white lady inside”.

The twelve knights, after swearing this oath, affirmed a long letter explaining their purpose and disseminated it widely in France and beyond her borders. The letter explained that any lady young or old finding herself the victim of injustice could petition one or more or the knights for redress and that knight would respond promptly and leave whatever other task he was performing to fight the lady’s oppressor personally. The similarities of this Order with contemporary enterprises such as the White Ribbon Campaign in which male “ambassadors” pledge an oath to all of womanhood to never condone, excuse or remain silent about violence against women, and to intervene and take action against any man accused of wrongdoing against a woman. The similarities in these gallant missions make clear that the lineage of white knights has progressed seamlessly into the modern era.

Troubadours I (= PUA and Game promoters). The troubadours’ job was to spread the word about the virtues of chivalric love through music, song, poetry and storytelling. Aristocracy and commoner alike enjoyed hearing tales about bravery, and ladies were swept away with epic love poems as the troubadours practiced the rituals of chivalric love. Just like PUAs or Gamers today who write and speak in praise of pussy, troubadours too were composers and promoters of the ‘arts of love’ aimed at securing sexual fulfilment.

Like those troubadours, Roosh and Roissy (etc.) continue the tradition of prose-writing to illustrate the many ways to flatter women in order to get into their pants. Game is a very apt word for this 800 yr old tradition, with its proscription for rehearsed lines and lack of personal authenticity. It is a scripted game of women-worship aimed at a narrow goal. In essence this Casanova routine amounts to a feigning of chivalric love for the purposes of manipulation, usually to gain sex. When modern women call these men ‘players’ they may be very close to the mark. While Roosh et.al. outwardly claim to reject chivalry, they nevertheless embrace its tenets like consummate thespians.

Troubadours II (= Profeminist Men – sometimes derogatorily named ‘manginas’). Unlike the troubadours mentioned above who advocated for a love aimed at sexual fulfillment, Troubadour II advocated a more idealized love of longing that did not consummate in sexual fulfillment. In essence these men more resembled sycophantic Romeos than horny Casanovas. The guiding concept for them was called “fin’ amors,” which meant pure love. Such men were particularly prevalent in the north of France, whereas in the south we see that troubadours (type I mentioned up above) celebrated a love that was adulterous or carnal in which full sexual encounters were sought.

Another thing that distinguished type II troubadours from the former is authenticity. These men appeared to identify wholly with the role and were not merely players. The desire to serve women as their vassal, or perhaps as their masochistic slave, called upon their innermost character. Think of today’s version being the typical profeminist men who work slavishly to pass on the message of their feminist superiors, much as these troubadours slaved to advocate the narcissistic idiosyncrasies of their Ladies. The vassalage role applies here more than with any other character of the Middle Ages – not as a merely pretentious means-to-an-end routine to gain sex, but rather as a soul-affirming act.


Which brings us to what the MHRM refers to as gynocentrism. It is clear from the foregoing that unless evidence of (broadspread) gynocentric culture can be found prior to the Middle Ages, then gynocentrism is precisely 800 years old. In order to determine if this thesis is valid we need first to define exactly what we mean by “gynocentrism”.

The term gynocentrism has been in circulation since the 1800’s, as far as I can tell, with the general definition being “focused on women; concerned with only women.”6 Adam Kostakis further qualifies gynocentrism as, “male sacrifice for the benefit of women” and “the deference of men to women,” and he concludes; “Gynocentrism, whether it went by the name honor, nobility, chivalry, or feminism, its essence has gone unchanged. It remains a peculiarly male duty to help the women onto the lifeboats, while the men themselves face a certain and icy death.”7

From these definitions we see that gynocentrism could refer to any one female-centered practice in an otherwise androcentric society, or to even a single gynocentric act carried out by one individual. With this broad usage in mind the phrase ‘gynocentric culture’ proves more precise for the purposes of this essay , which phrase I will define here as any culture instituting rules for gender relationships that benefit females at the expense of males across a broad range of measures.

At the base of our current form of gynocentrism lies the practice of enforced male sacrifice for the benefit of women. If we accept this definition we need to look back and ask the accompanying question of whether male sacrifices throughout history were always made for the sake women, or alternatively for the sake of some other primary goal? For instance, when men went to die in vast numbers in wars, was it for women, or was it rather for Man, King and Country? If the latter we cannot then claim that this was a result of some intentional gynocentric culture, at least not in the way I have defined it here. If the sacrifice isn’t intended for the benefit women, even if women were occasional beneficiaries of male sacrifice, then we are not dealing with gynocentrism.

Male disposability strictly “for the benefit of women” comes in strongly only after the advent of the 12th century gender revolution in Europe – a revolution that delivered us terms like gallantry, chivalry, chivalric love, courtesy, romance and so on. From that period onward gynocentric practices grew exponentially, culminating in the demands of today’s feminism. In sum, gynocentrism was a patchy phenomenon at best before the middle ages, after which it became ubiquitous.

With all this in mind it makes little sense to talk of gynocentric culture starting with the industrial revolution a mere 200 years ago (or 100 or even 30 yrs ago), or of it being two million years old as some would argue. We are not simply fighting two million years of genetic programming; our culturally constructed enemy is much, much simpler to pinpoint and to potentially reverse. The historical evidence is strong. All we need do now is look at the circumstances under which gynocentrism first began to flourish and attempt to reverse those circumstances. Specifically, if gynocentric culture was brought about by the practice of shaming, then that is the enemy to target in order to reverse the entire enterprise. For me that process could begin by rejecting the fake moral purity to which women of the last millennia have pretended and against which the worst examples of men have been measured in order to shame the entire gender.

References

  1. Amy Kelly, ‘Eleanor of Aquitaine and Her Courts of Love’ Source: Speculum, Vol. 12, No. 1 (Published by Medieval Academy of America, 1937)
  2. Jennifer G. Wollock, Rethinking Chivalry and Courtly Love, (Published by Praeger, 2011)
  3. Maurice Valency, In Praise of Love: An Introduction to the Love Poetry of the Renaissance, (Macmillan, 1961)
  4. For an excellent article about vassaldom today see Gordon Wadsworth’s ‘The Western Butler and his Manhood’ which indicates an unbroken line between the romantic vassaldom of the Middle Ages and the “butler” role expected of males today. (Published on AVfM, 2013)
  5. Amy Kelly, ‘Did Women Have a Renaissance?’ in Women, History, and Theory (Published by UCP Press, 1984)
  6. Dictionary.com – Gynocentric
  7. Adam Kostakis, Gynocentrism Theory – (Published online, 2011). Although Kostakis assumes gynocentrism has been around throughout recorded history, he singles out the Middle Ages for comment: “There is an enormous amount of continuity between the chivalric class code which arose in the Middle Ages and modern feminism… One could say that they are the same entity, which now exists in a more mature form – certainly, we are not dealing with two separate creatures.”

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  • Theaverageman

    I love these types of articles which give misandry a historical context.

    In my opinion those PUA retards are just as bad as white knights although they like to think they’re “alpha” for being a slave to their dicks and deriving self esteem from female approval.

    Whenever you meet a narcissistic woman you can automatically assume that she is like that because too many white knights/PUAs put her on that pedestal.

    • The Real Peterman

      Exactly. PUA types are obsessed with getting women’s approval by giving them whatever they want. That’s how to get manly self-respect? Hardly.

    • http://gloriusbastard.com/ JJ

      So true, and this article nails it.

      The one true difference between the players and white knight manginas is that manginas don’t get sex from the women even a fraction as much as we players do (I am a reformed player myself).

      Yet still, you are measured by your success in wooing woman to your bed. I was very good at it, yet it became an obsession. Essentially, you have to dress, act, talk, walk, and behave in a certain way to entrance a certain set of women to come to your bed.

      The only reason the players can actually be called remotely alpha is because we are successful at getting in their pants.

      Love, compassion, or true self identity has nothing to do with it. It is theater for the straight male, so as to better be by willing (read mostly worthless and loose) women.

      There is rarely any one of them actually trying to better themselves!

      Their notch count is their empowerment. It is what satiates their need for identity; and provides a false narrative for success through the numerous vaginas they slay.

      Slay them I did, for I was not looking for commitment. Just sex, and through it I lost a portion of my humanity.

      You become a soulless shell, only capable of perceiving others through their utility. Even the other men you claim as friends!

      I became something I am not. For how could any man be this?

      A player, is the straight man’s answer to gynocentric feminism. His is her reflection in the male mirror; for his world is phallocentric. He is a masculinist. Her counterpart.

      And they deserve one another.

  • http://www.NewDemocracyWorld.org Dopesauce42

    Very informative. Well done. What of the old do we keep, what should we leave behind? This helps me figure that out. Keep it up.

  • KeanoReeves

    Tawil,

    I beg to differ with your analysis. You said that the prime reason feminism worked is shaming. But why does shaming work? How do women create a script that they are able to shame? The answer is a cartel which has monopoly on pussy and womb.

    Just as Unions created a cartel and used shaming language, women do it too. Because of monopoly on oil, Arabs can dictate a lot of our policies, and also create wars. Similarly, most wars were fought for resources and control – boils down to pussy. Do this and you will get pussy, else not. Wars for kings were also pussy-wars.

    In Europe, chivalry took a back seat with the age of exploration, for that reduced the monopoly on pussy. Also, Europeans created articles of ‘curious manufacture’, which included sex toys. Similarly, cheap labor from Asia destroyed unions.

    The same will happen with feminism.How does an entrepreneur handle one sided laws and a union? First, if the laws are harsh, he refuses to invest money (if a laborer resigns out of his own free will, you have to pay alimony upto eternity, then dont hire). This creates MGTOW. The second way is change place of operation. That is why Europeans are taking Asian wives. Third way is to have temp workers (prostitutes). The entrepreneur can also create technology (sex toys, virtual reality sex, artificial womb) which will depress power of women. Paradoxically, if labor unions were not so harsh, companies may not have shifted overeseas. Similarly, all these will take place as women charge far too high a price for pussy.

    Wait till the invisible hand of Adam Smith strikes – then see how the blind mice run!!!

    • Peter Wright (Tawil)

      @KR: “But why does shaming work? How do women create a script that they are able to shame? The answer is a cartel which has monopoly on pussy and womb.”

      What’s interesting is that the quality and effectiveness of shaming males in the Middle Ages up to today was not seen before that time. Yet women had wombs and sexual utility before then. Why did it become so effective at precisely that point in history? All factors considered it appears that a perfect storm developed.

      Shaming is tied partly with human empathy and isn’t specific to males – women can easily feel shame if they are not trained out of it by dominant memes. If males played the shame game effectively on women (esp. with the backing of cultural memes) then women’s shame would keep them awake at nights too.

      • August Løvenskiolds

        This evening I heard an account on public radio (of all places!) that in Asian cultures men are expected (by their new female partners) to completely reject and disavow the women the men were in prior relationships with – in contrast to western chivalry, wherein “amicable” splits and continued friendships with ex’s are tolerated because of the male vassalage to all women.

        In the case discussed, the otherwise submissive Asian wife of an American man blew up in rage when she discovered her husband had kept a picture of his ex and their otherwise happy marriage was placed in jeopardy.

        No one could explain to the Asian wife (she and her American husband didn’t even speak the same language) the western attitude of perpetual male service to all women (not just one’s current wife).

        • Mangas

          As a male Asian, i can confirm it. This is always the subject of jealousy and marital conflict.

  • GVrooman

    Personally I always felt that, if I had to die win some woman’s love, it was a commodity that I could literally live without. If you stop to think of it, a woman’s love doesn’t do you a lot of good if you are lying in your grave pushing up daisies. She may stop by occasionally and place flowers on your grave before returning to her new love, and she may make him feel queasily guilty because he isn’t quite the man that you were, but that still doesn’t do you a lot of good if you are fertilizer.

  • Feuillet

    I remember CS Lewis once attacked the Asian culture (which by his definition anything that is east of Europe) as being inferior to western culture because Asians are incapable of “love”. His argument was that “love” was a new invention from the middle age by these “court if love” and “romantic” literature bullshit.

    As a Chinese, I never believed in such bullshit “argument” anyway, it is not as if love poetry does not exist before middle age in East or West. I mean, how do one seriously thinks the Roman Empire did nothing during their glorious days in history, and need someone to invent “love” for them?

    Yet then I remember during the days as an undergraduate student in philosophy, over there not only medieval was being praised as some sort of golden age of intellectual thoughts, many of my professers and lecturers themselves seems to have such personality that fits the characteristic of the schoolman in the medieval period. They are very elitist, and also held the believe of “people who don’t have a degree + nod at what I am saying = ignorant masses to be stoned at”. At the same time they are actually quite anti-science despites pretending to be all rational and stuff. Their worse fear is when people tries to argue with them using practical knowledge and statistics (basically anything that is do with the real world).

    I then begin to aware this kind of medieval elitism is not restricted to the realm of philosophy after visiting this website. Many feminist academic also have such medieval personality as well. While normally they sit high in their lectures rooms telling everyone to worship them like god’s messingers, despites there isn’t any competence that distinguish them from a brick-layer (except the LACK of practical knowledge, and their capacity to be so arrogant). Yet ,whenever people begins to attack them using real life statistics and facts like how Galileo attacked the church, they either ignores them, and maybe occasionally get a horde of student to deal with such herasy.

    Hence after reading this strong and brilliant article, I am further convinced that

    1. Chinese have not missed out anything by not having this “middle age”. In fact I am glad we don’t have such pathetic period of history where the world isruled intellectual tyranny and elitism interweaved into feminism. As a person who argued that, Europe can step into the modern world in 1000 AD had there be no such feudalism elitist bullshit, I enjoyed reading this article.

    2. The tendency of current academic to worship the medieval period, expecially in the humanties department, perhaps reveals more about the nature of these people we are dealing with today, then any historical “facts” about the past. These people simply wants to return to the “good old days”, where elites like them are able to command the people like sheeps, either from university or these “court of love”. That is why we are seeing all these similarities between the medieval period and today’s world. Their praising of the corrupted period simply show us where we are going toward

    I ust show all my respect to Tawil of writing this masterpiece

  • FacelessFather

    The middle ages, (despite the obsolete historiography depicting it an era of stagnation), was an era of tremendous growth, experimentation and vitality.

    Chivalry was basically a warrior code that evolved to control the behavior of a warrior class. It contained all the things similar codes had..a commitment to loyalty, honor, piety. The injunction to treat women well was based on one inescapable fact: women were socially and economically inferior to men. In exchange knights were obligated to protect and honor women.

    Modern women talk about chivalry only as part of their own huge invisible backback of entitlements. They want to be placed on a pedestal because as women they deserve it. They do not understand that the chivalrous behavior of a lady is one of modesty, humility, chastity and submission before men and god. I will give women chivalry..if they grant me their end of the bargain. If not, well ladies…you can change your own damned tires.

    • Feuillet

      I beg to differ. Most of the academics are involved in arguing metaphysical bullshit, which can neither be proven, nor they even want to try it. In many way it is very similar to the feminists nowadays, where they talk craps such as Patriarchy and Man’s “hostility” against woman, with extremely vague meanings that is hard to prove or to disprove. Only a extremely few people such as Roger Bacon actually conduct any experiment, or to show some interest to how the real world actually work. Other then that, much of the knowledge of the natural world in middle age comes fro the Islamic countries, and China.

      Of course do not get me wrong, I am not trying to blame this disinterest of nature to the European cultures. The main reason why this shit happens is because During the fall of Roman Empire, Europe suffered from an almost complete lost of their urban area. This means it will take longer time for Europe to go back to the glory of the Roman Empire, compared to the Chinese who suffered the same invasion. And before they manage to do so, Europe was under the rule of Feudalism, where despites it being seemingly ruled locally, it was actually suffering a tyranny by those feudal lords (with the knight as their minions), and the education of the schoolmen.

      It is in the Renaissance where the recovery begins when commercialization was being picked up in Europe, (before then only the Italian states and the Germanic free city have some degree of commercialization, which is also where they picked up the Islamic science.) Since people are driven by greed, they began the remove themselves from the shackles of those medieval restrain, and begin to start a more secular and individualist way of life. This is why when you compare and contrast the natural philosophy and science in Renaissance and medieval period, you realize the latter are much laden with theology and speculations, and are more concerned to address religious and metaphysical questions, whereas the former is as laden with theology and speculations, but begin to concern more to the real world problem. This is because commercialization have force intellectuals to do stuff that have a practical meanings, such as engineering, and forces to create theory that actually being able to predict stuff. People who sit in academic bullshiting no longer have the same power over the popular masses.

      And this goes back to the original questions of whether Chivalry and their eastern equivalent are “good” or not. The fact is ideas should be view in contextual to the historical and social context. Just like how both Renaissance and medieval are extremely religious, yet the environment of commercialization destroys the elitism in intellectual in the renaissance, allowing growth and competition. The samurai code of Japan are based on the Chinese code of Confucianism, yet the Samurai code turns out to be more martial and aggressive. That is not because the culture of japan is inherently violent, it is only because in 12th century where the samurai code was being developed, China political climate is much more unified and stable, which means they will prefer ideology that favors Scholarly Bureaucracy and management , which are more practical, then the Samurai code that is adapted by the Japanese who is in a period of fragmentation and constants small scale war between Samurai.

      The problem of feminism is not only the ideology itself, is that the social context of today’s intellectual elitism will definitely breed these ideas out. Even if feminism does not exist, many alternative trash will take its place lol. (let me list: Christain fundamentalism? Muslim fundamentalism? Chinese Confucianist nationism? Marxism? Japanese imperialism? Some sort of technocracy bullshite

      • Peter Wright (Tawil)

        Feuillet, you make a lot of interesting historical observations, much appreciated.

        The Europeans took their concept of Chivalric Love to most of the world- India, North and south America, Australia, Africa. Americans have taken it further into Asia and any remaining places over the last 100 yrs.

        One thing I’m curious about is the degree to which European chivalry has (or not?) infiltrated Chinese culture through British influence, especially through Hong Kong, or more recently through the global feminist conferences held in China (in the 1990s) and via the feminist mandates about ‘treatment of women’ dictated by the United Nations to which China is a signatory. Do you have any sense on whether this has made an impact?

        PS. Appreciated your story about C.S. Lewis. How naive and arrogant of him to suggest chivalric love made Europeans superior!

  • JFinn

    OT: typical radical feminist calls for the deaths of all men on ‘Free’ Thoughts Blog: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/03/22/adria-richards-did-everything-exactly-right/comment-page-3/#comment-586838

    BTW, causing the deaths of 2.5% of the world’s population makes you Adolf Hitler. Also, I’m guessing she wants to live in a world where boys are led to believe they have a terminal disease and are sent to gas chambers when they reach adulthood. Or maybe she wants to kill them too – she demonizes little boys, too, in her rant.

    Did the censorship-happy blog allow her comment to stay? Yep.

    Is that because no one noticed it? Nope. In fact, she posted it at a traffic-heavy blog and received quite a few responses … on PZ Myers’ own blog.

    Why do radical feminists want all Black males and Jewish males and Gay males and senior citizen males and illegal immigrant males and trans men and handicapped males and Muslim males and feminist males and even straight white males tortured to death?(torture usually comes before death) Why, because of BS ‘moderate’ feminist statistics, of course. ‘Moderate’ feminists believe all men are either rapists or contributors to rape. ‘Moderate’ feminists want faaaaaaar more prisons.

    That’s why this monster’s comment stayed unedited.

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    This. This!

    I did immediately think of the old phrase supposedly said by Spartan mothers to their sons, “come back carrying your shield or on it” as they went into battle (Spartan men were reportedly carried home on their shields if they were killed). But even this doesn’t match the gynocentric nature of so-called “courtly love,” because it wasn’t all about making women happy, and while Spartan women had many rights somewhat unusual for women of the day their obligations and duties and burdens were strong too, and the notion that everything was done for the honor of Spartan women does not seem to have been in anything I’ve read on the period.

    This article helps illustrate why I think we need to beware of simplistic evolutionary psychology assumptions. Yes, we evolved as a species. Yes, evolution didn’t stop from the neck up. Yet too much of what we assume as simple biological reality vis-a-vis male disposability, white knighting, etc. is I think not at all biological, or is just relying on -some- wiring we’ve got in our systems but not -all- of it.

    Throughout history we were unafraid to speak of the dark side of human nature, male and female alike. Our ridiculous gynocentrism has increasingly made it harder to talk about the darker sides of female nature while hyping up the darker sides of male nature to ludicrous degree, and culture plays an ENORMOUS role in this, I think there can be no doubt.

    And I think you’re probably right: men putting themselves IN THE SERVICE of women (rather than being their lifemates) does seem not to have been the historical norm, at least not overtly. Even ancient military tales of bravery and heroism on the battlefield were usually about men defending EACH OTHER, not fighting for the honor or love of a woman–although women’s respect has always mattered to men to some degree of course.

    Just say today that men have needs and people become scandalized. Ridiculous.

    To some extent you can hardly blame women; who wouldn’t like the idea of some strong person functionally acting as your servant purely because they love you and view you as totally awesome? In fantasy at least, that’s pretty cool. (In reality I think it would get pretty damn creepy after a while, but…)

    • Peter Wright (Tawil)

      With several good points in your post Dean it’s hard to know which ones to respond to. One that I’d like to pick up first is your claim that men putting themselves in the service of women (rather than being their lifemates) does not seem to have been the historical norm. I agree, particularly in the period before the Middle Ages.

      “Being lifemates” is an important topic, one that raises the issue of pair-bonding vs’ hypergamy. I’m of the opinion that humans generally seek long-term attachments – an idea I got from Object Relations psychologist Ronald Fairbairn who, in OR terminology, proposed that the human libido is primarily object seeking rather than pleasure seeking or power seeking. There is a long history of empirical studies since Fairbairn confirming his findings. Using more familiar terminology, Fairbairn’s findings confirm the human propensity for pair-bonding (object seeking) over hypergamy (power seeking).

      In the psychological economy of contending and often conflicting drives, a so-called ‘secondary’ drive sometimes usurps the claims of a more primary one. That’s what’s been happening with the hypergamous behaviour of some women during the last 800 years – all aided and abetted by servile males and cultural propaganda. However even during this era of increased hypergamy our drive to pair-bond still shouts its demands when being shoved into second place. Observe for example the not-infrequent feelings of disillusionment and loneliness of serial partner upgraders. The loneliness of the young woman living in her palace with an aged but wealthy husband to whom she has little or no emotional attachment, and her inability to feel satiated with casual sexual liaisons on the side, shows the primacy of pair attachment and what happens when that drive is neglected for the sake of secondary power gains.

      Hypergamy certainly does exist as a strong drive in women but it has to be understood within the usual psychological economy.

      Throughout the literature of the Middle Ages all the way to today we read of men and women feeling bitterly disillusioned by the interference of hypergamy with the usual pair-bonding drive. Read the bitter writings of 12th century Andreas Capellanus or those of Christine de Pizan, or the dissilusionment and eventual rejection of hypergamy in later works like Madam Bovary.

      And it should be mentioned that even during this recent period of increased hypergamy most people still do prioritize lifemate pair-bonding over the former, a point I think you have made elsewhere.

      • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

        Peter: What you’re writing here (and thank you for the concept of the object-seeking libido, knockout stuff) goes straight to an ongoing, private argument I’ve been having with Girl Writes What (Karen S) for quite some time now. I’ve been considering debating her publicly on this point for some time now but I’ve been having trouble organizing my thoughts. As much as I love her material, I think she tends to put primacy to biological drives I believe are one among competing drives. I’m convinced the pair-bonding drive is stronger among the majority of humans than the hypergamous drive; I’m also convinced that paternal investment in children (which is normal in all pair-bonding species by the way) has a firm biological basis and is not just a good idea or a culturally imposed notion.

        In fact, although it’s going off topic a bit, not only do I think paternal investment in children is the norm not the exception for our species, BUT, one of the more unique aspects of our makeup that is not remarked upon often enough is GRANDpaternal investment; I know of no other species in which offsprings’ GRANDsires take a strong investment in them. In humans, grandpas (and grandmas) typically take an enormous interest in their grandchildren. I don’t know of any other species that does this.

        Yes, there are mothers and fathers who are promiscuous and unfaithful. They appear to be the exception not the norm. Ditto, there are grandparents who don’t give much of a shit; I have one grandfather who’s basically a nasty old bastard with no real interest in his grandkids at all and only a small interest in his own children (my dad basically says he’s too ornery to die).

        I do not believe our species could possibly be what it is without the pair bonding drive that we can see in all civilizations everywhere around the globe and throughout all of history. I do not believe our civilization could be anywhere near what it is without strong male investment in children and grandchildren. Yes, there are men who for any number of reasons lack these drives or have had them subverted by other things. For that matter, there are women with the same proclivity; I have a good friend who’s a single dad because mom abandoned them to go off and have a fun and exciting life on her own instead and to sleep with a lot of other men.

        A lot of what we’re discussing her also guy to why while I do not hate the PUA community, I have a rather jaundiced view of them; I’m convinced a lot (not all, but a lot) of what they’re doing is scientifically valid and effective, but they’re actually playing with what should be seen as secondary drives not primary drives—essentially, playing with low-level wetware rather than the higher-level stuff that should be taking primacy. Making a game out of Game is probably fun; making a life out of Game is probably exhilarating for a year or two but probably is a recipe for long-term unhappiness and emptiness, and this would be precisely because they’re playing with secondary drives rather than primary ones.

        • napocapo69

          Uhm… we have two conflicting natural drives:
          – one is reproduction instinct (inseminate as much as possible and improve the species). This leads to potentially larger communities of individuals, thus it leads to exponentially increasing conflicts between individuals, for lack of resources, but increasing possibilities in terms of reproduction
          – on the other side, we have a natural drive for sociality as a consequence of survival instinct (the larger the group the higher the chances to defeat the enemy). This reduces the chances of individual reproduction due to the groups bonduaries, but it leads to the definition of group identies and the conflict moves from individuals to groups.
          As a consequence, human beigns collect in groups for balancing these needs. The wider the group compared to the resources, the higher the hypergamy effect (harem or marrying up, that is the same thing from different perspectives). The smaller the group compared to resources, the lower the need to “combine” in family groups.
          Up to 2 hunderd years ago our society was highly socialized but with lack of resources (the 2 world war tesifity it). The hetero-family was the smaller possible “kernel” to grant reproduction for all, while avoiding the explosion of population.
          Pair bonding is just that, biological evolution that has become culture. It is a compromise between us and the Planet.
          There is no natural drive for pair bonding. We are not born with this drive, we grow with this drive…., actually…we were used to grow with this drive, because of behaviours passed down. We were born in “traditional” families, so we tried to emulate our “parents” when adults. This is not valid anymore for many young people, and it will not be valid for most of the young people of upcoming generations.
          Pair bonding might be considered “normal” in the sense that it belongs to the majority of us, but it is not “natural”.
          It is just “human” (and common to other few mammal species that live in crowded communities, such as us).
          Feminism grew after the second world war, when our (western) society lived the illusion that our group was small compared to the available resources.
          An idiotic step, from an evolutionary perspective, that lead to dismantle the concept of the family, assuming it as a social contruct while it was a biological compromise.
          In less than a century we are already realizing, as a society, that resources are not enough for the whole group. So as individuals we are more and more competing for that resources, and as a group we try to get resources in other communities (peace wars, WTO ecc).
          Pair bonding was the collective espression of human intelligence. Outside this frame, there is only survival instinct. The latter is the true natural drive.

        • Peter Wright (Tawil)

          A discussion between you and GWW about hypergamy/pair-bonding would be a treat, and a productive one for the MHRM. It would show the views of two fertile minds and perhaps even generate some new conclusions. Have you approached her about a possible public debate?

          As mentioned above I’m in the pair-bonding camp. That is to say I believe that investment in a primary and long term partner attachment is the strongest human drive, even though that drive jostles for position with other drives at all times.

          That word investment is important, because once we invest emotional energy in a partner (or children) a whole lot of complex emotional projections and introjections take place, including chemical rewards, that help to construct ‘mental schemas,’ that is, working models which provide identity and orientation in the world. That shit is not easily tossed away for the first guy who comes along with a porche… unless the emotional attachment was not there in the first place.

          Biological reductionism is all too common in the MRM, along with sociological reductionism. Between these two evils lies the melting pot of psychology, essentially a smelting of two products into a complex alloy. That complex smelting process is one to take notice of, and the modern theory of attachment science has many of the answers on how it works.

    • http://gloriusbastard.com/ JJ

      You make a great point Dean!

      When Gorgo asked Leonidas what she should do when he was leaving; he told her “marry a good man, have good children!”

      He knew the “Hot Gates” Thermopilis would be his death. He did not die in the service of his queen, like the movies suggest. He died for his beloved Sparta of which he was one of two kings.

      The sex scene in 300 was most likely derived from chivalric wishful thinking. A man and woman were married, but the Spartan warrior male was not allowed to “live with” his wife and family until he was thirty. In other words, he most likely was not allowed until he “lived long enough” to live with his bride. Also, I think I read that Leonidas was actually 53 or 63 when the battle happened. So his queen Gorgo, if told to have kids, was probably younger then him by quite a bit.

      Again, he went there to his death knowingly! The story may not have had as much romance as the movies.

      The sons and daughters of Sparta were wards of the city state. Apparently, people nowadays think that this is a good idea; if family court is any indication?

      They “romance” the idea of Sparta and the medieval times in their heads. Perhaps they should put the sugar plumbs dancing in their heads away as well; like Santa Claus, their version of Sparta and Chivalry in the post crusade era never existed.

      • Peter Wright (Tawil)

        @JJ – “He knew the “Hot Gates” Thermopilis would be his death. He did not die in the service of his queen, like the movies suggest. He died for his beloved Sparta of which he was one of two kings.”

        Exactly, JJ! Its like you say – a lot of our interpretations of the classical world derive from chivalric wishful thinking.

  • JFinn

    And thank you, Peter Wright and Robert St Estephe, for continuing to expose traditional misandry

  • OneHundredPercentCotton

    Interestingly, I’ve been doing some follow up reading about the shaming of the “Fukushima 50″, the 300 MEN who volunteered to return to the damaged nuclear reactors after the earthquake and tsunami in Japan;

    Meet the Fukushima 50? No, you can’t – The Economist
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/…/japans-nuclear-disaster

    Which goes hand in glove with the subsequent “mysterious” deaths of the 9/11 First Responders, and is in keeping with mentally and physically damaged men returning from war.

    I can’t know what Spartan mothers said to their sons, but my husband’s WWII era Uncle told me his father’s last words to him before he shipped off was “Don’t come home crippled – your mother isn’t going to take care of you”.

  • keyster

    Chivalry originates from young men behaving chivalrous towards a young woman’s father – to prove to him that he was worthy of his daughter’s hand in marriage. You won-over the father, before he would approve or bless the relationship. He would then “give his daughter’s hand”. We still practice this tradition in most wedding ceremonies – much to the chagrin of feminists.

    The exalting, pedestalizing and deference to the female by the male, is because he’s dependent on her for his progeny; his genetic immortality. It’s a powerful force. With the advent of birth control, abortion rights and the “independent woman” en masse – he must choose to either bow down further or abandon the premise of raising a family altogether. This is happening right now, worldwide.

  • Peter Wright (Tawil)

    Found this little gem, thought I’d add it here. It confirms the factor differentiating love of the Middle Ages from any other historical period preceding it – the introduction of the notion that men are to be vassals to women who were to be viewed as as goddesses. It is no wonder that today we still see “I am a Goddess” stickers on the windows of women’s cars.

    Irving Singer, ‘The Nature of Love: Courtly and Romantic’

    [quote] “Since the social structure of the Middle Ages was mainly feudal and hierarchical, men were expected to serve their Lords while women were required to show fidelity. In courtly love this was transformed into meaning that the lover would serve his lady and that she would be faithful to him. Courtly love is often said to have placed women on a pedestal and to have made men into knights whose heroic lives would henceforth belong to elevated ladies. The idea arises from the fact that men frequently used the language of chivalry to express their servile relationship to whatever woman they loved, and sometimes they described her as a divinity toward which they might aspire but could never hope to equal. Much of the troubadour poetry rehearses this refrain.”

  • St miracle

    so called” Chivalric love “was used as a tool to enslave male

  • Gordon Wadsworth

    Excellent article.

    Clear thesis, and a very compelling argument defending it. You’ve really made a case tying modern behavior to 12th century cultural norms. And here I thought it was the 14th century that was calamitous.

    It’s amazing how the more things change the more they stay the same. Can it be possible that we’re engaged in a deranged behavior that’s almost 1000 years old?

    Are you an historian? Your writing style is very polished.

    • Peter Wright (Tawil)

      Thanks for the comments, Gordon. I’m not a historian but have a deep interest in historical roots of feminism. Another angle I’m following, for instance, is the mention of courtly love by early proponents of 19th century socialist philosophy – it appears they saw in courtly love an emancipation of women from the mostly male bourgeoisie of the Middle Ages, an emancipation that was at the heart of the desired socialist revolution. An article on that connection may be forthcoming.

      I’m interested in your reference to the 14th century, is that a time you saw some of this female entitlement emerging? Another member here ‘Dr.F’ has been studying a female author of that century named Christine de Pizan whom he believes launched the first lengthy feminist narratives…. and I’m inclined to agree with him. What started as a somewhat isolated revolution in the 12th century reached a flowering of sorts in the 14th across all Europe.

      • Gordon Wadsworth

        Many refer to the 14th century as calamitous. It was a pretty rough century. Actually 14th century European history is a pretty interesting read, you can really lose yourself in it.

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F (Ian Williams)

        Peter.

        This woman Pizan has given us a gift that can never stop giving.

        She reminds us that unfettered narcissism will always wrangle its way over the cup given to it. Christine de Pizan, in her servant surrounded world was so bubble-wrapped from pain she could only speak of it from afar while pretending to have familiarity with it. She felt pain only from afar but “got off” by its drama.

        What person would lovingly talk of the murdering of males as she did? Well, it seems she was that person.

        Right here is not the space for expanding on her, but I can tell you right now that I will do so in the future with an article. Perhaps a series of them.

        Thank you Christine for being the polished mirror of the radical feminists that shout and ballyhoo with their damaged personalities. You shed their grubby cloaks for us forever.

        A teaser from me is to let you know that this person (had she a microphone and a stage filled with reflecting hatred) would have eclipsed Dworkin and her manifesto as Stalin did his Kremlin janitor.

        • Peter Wright (Tawil)

          Very much looking forward to your expanding on this early radical feminist. From your teaser it sounds like we may be in for a treat.

  • Peter Wright (Tawil)

    While I don’t belong to the Christian faith (or any faith), I found some of the historical facts in the following Christian article of interest. If the author is right the engagement ring we give to women today is modelled on the relationship between the medieval Lord and the vassal who kissed his overlord’s ring finger to show obeisance and subservience.

    Here is an excerpt:

    “The engagement ring functions as a proof of ability in the supplicant vassal’s pledge to the wife. This is true given the traditional expectation of the amount of resources to be expended in purchasing the ring along with providing for the wedding day. In this gynocentric environment, it’s total sacrilege to not present a woman with her One Ring or to present one that is substandard to her or her friends. She uses her One Ring as a social proof of her status around Team Woman (it’s a competition much like Valentine’s Day gifts), as she will not hesitate to show it off as much as possible when she first gets it if it meets with her approval.”

    History of the Engagement Ring

    “While the idea of betrothal gifts is an older one, the specific idea of the engagement ring “first originated in 1215, when Pope Innocent III established a waiting period between the promise of marriage, and the actual marriage ceremony… During that period of time engagement rings often represented one’s social rank as only the rich were allowed to own or wear rings with jewels.”

    Rest of the article here: http://societyofphineas.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/the-one-ring-to-rule-over-him/

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F (Ian Williams)

    Here is a wonderful except from C.S. Lewis’ – The Allegory of Love, and it is on page 2.

    I’m including it here as it echoes well the dreadful of matter of chivalry and how it has had others in the past reflect on it without emotion. just analysis, and this is good thing, right?

    Over to you for your wondering.

    C.S. Lewis.
    “Every one has heard of courtly love, and everyone knows it appeared quite suddenly at the end of the eleventh century at Languedoc. The sentiment, of course, is love, but love of a highly specialized sort, whose characteristics may be enumerated as Humility, Courtesy, and the Religion of Love. The lover is always abject. Obedience to his lady’s lightest wish, however whimsical, and silent acquiescence in her rebukes, however unjust, are the only virtues he dares to claim. There is a service of love closely modelled on the service which a feudal vassal owes to his lord. The lover is the lady’s ‘man’. He addresses her as midons, which etymologically represents not ‘my lady’ but ‘my lord’. The whole attitude has been rightly described as ‘a feudalisation of love’. This solemn amatory ritual is felt to be part and parcel of the courtly life.”

    • Peter Wright (Tawil)

      Great quote, Dr.F.

      Yesterday I found another great quote about chivalry from the philosopher Slavoj Zizek:

      “The knight’s relationship to the Lady is thus the relationship of the subject-bondsman, the vassal, to his feudal Master-Sovereign who subjects him to senseless, outrageous, impossible, arbitrary, capricious ordeals. It is precisely in order to emphasize the non-spiritual nature of these ordeals that Lacan quotes a poem about a Lady who demanded that her servant literally lick her arse: the poem consists of the poet’s complaints about the bad smells that await him down there (one knows the sad state of personal hygeine in the Middle Ages), and about the imminent danger that, as he is fulfilling his ‘duty’, the Lady will urinate on his head.” [from ‘The Metastases of Enjoyment’ p.90]

      Does that not convince about the true meaning of chivalry?

  • Peter Wright (Tawil)

  • Astrokid

    While Roosh et.al. outwardly claim to reject chivalry, they nevertheless embrace its tenets like consummate thespians, as we see for example in Rooshs’ article titled Compliment & Cuddle
    But the linked article turns out to be an April Fools prank played by Roosh. Everything I have seen by PUAs Roosh and Roissy contradict your claim. They are out to prove that women are assholes, just like men are. And that they even have their own unique brand of assholery, a Rationalization Hamster. Given the amount of female-bashing they do, I dont understand how they can be linked to pedestalization & chivalry.