Decorated combat pilot and His Children Brutalized by West Virginia Family Court Judge Lori B. Jackson
When United States Air Force (USAF) combat pilot Lieutenant Colonel Joel Kirk was a young boy growing up on the banks of the Chattahoochee River in rural Georgia, his father took him to see the Blue Angels perform. This was a pivotal moment in the young Lt. Col.’s life. Attending the airshow inspired him to become a military pilot. Lt. Col. Kirk didn’t dream of becoming a pilot because he wanted to fly fast planes or because he thought it would be cool. He dreamed of becoming a pilot for his father.
In the Lt. Col.’s own words:
“In 1979, I sat on a hilltop across from Dobbins Air Force base with my father and watched the Blue Angels roar overhead. I remember the look of amazement in my father’s eyes as he gazed skyward at the powerful jets. Here stood my hero, my guardian, my mentor in admiration and awe of something higher. I knew at that moment what I wanted to do.”
“I knew that some day I wanted my father to look up to me as I looked up to him. I wanted to make him proud. I wanted to show him and my entire family that I was worth the time, love and energy they invested in me. I didn’t want to gain wealth, cars, houses or land. I just wanted to be a man of honor and integrity. My grandfather served in the army during World War II. He was at Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge. I wanted to be like these wonderful men. “
Lt. Col. Kirk worked very hard and graduated university in 1991 at the top of his class, Magna Cum Laude, and became a commissioned officer in the United States Marine Corps (USMC). (Yes, you read right; Kirk has served in both the USMC and the USAF.) Three years later, he realized his childhood dream the day he received his wings.
He writes:
“In January of 1994, my father walked onto a stage in Pensacola, Florida in front of hundreds of people. On that stage, my father, a farmer from Duck Hill, Mississippi, pounded a shiny set of gold wings onto the left side of my dress blues. The tears welled up in his eyes on what was only the second occasion I had seen him cry, the first being my sister’s wedding day.”
“I did it! I made it! The relief was overwhelming. I had struggled so hard and accomplished something only 1 in 100,000 people ever do. But even more importantly, I made my father and my family proud.”
The young officer was living his dream.
Kirk and Father – Getting his wings
Enter Tina Taylor, a very beautiful and very destructive personality disordered predator whom he eventually married and with whom he fathered two beautiful children — a son now 14-years old and a daughter now 12-years old. Today, Tina Taylor Kirk has destroyed nearly everything the Lt. Col. has worked so hard to achieve and is poised to abscond with his military retirement after years of unspeakable abuse and multiple betrayals, at least three affairs that have been documented (2 with other enlisted men and 1 with a mutual “friend.”)
Far worse, Tina Taylor Kirk continues to abuse and terrorize their children; aided, abetted and enabled by West Virginia Family Court Judge Lori B. Jackson, Ms. Kirk’s three pro bono attorneys Thomas G. Smith, Esq. (Smith, McMunn & Glover, Clarksburg, West Virginia), Jamison H. Cooper, Esq. (Cooper Law Offices, Bridgeport, WV), Afton Leanne Huston, Esq. (Smith, McMunn & Glover, Clarksburg, WV), and Clinical Psychologist, Edward D. Baker, Ph.D. (Fremouw-Sigley Psychological Associates, Morgantown, WV).
This story does not have a happy ending, but hopefully the exposure on AVoiceforMen.com, Shrink4Men.com and other websites, blogs and news outlets will help to bring about a just ending and conclude the ongoing judicial and financial abuse of Lt. Col. Kirk and the judicial and maternal abuse of the Kirk children.
Growing men’s rights activism track record.
Over the last year and a half, AVFM, in unofficial conjunction with the National Coalition for Men (NCFM), S.A.V.E. (Stop Abusive and Violent Environments) and the men and women who support these sites and organizations, have established a growing track record of powerful activism. Through our shared commitment to equal rights, justice and protection for all, we have managed to expose the gross prosecutorial misconduct of Ellsworth, Maine Assistant District Attorney Mary Kellett.
Kellett will soon be facing the Maine Board of Overseers of the Bar for her breach of ethics in her malicious and frivolous harassment of Vladek Filler. Just this summer, AVFM, NCFM, S.A.V.E. et al championed the cause of Gordon Smith of Delaware. For some time now, Mr. Smith has been the victim of his ex Tiffany Marie’s Smith’s relentless and escalating false allegations of domestic violence and the complicity of Delaware law enforcement and its judiciary. Last week, the Delaware State police finally arrested Ms. Smith for her multiple false allegations and shameless harassment campaign. This story isn’t over yet as Ms. Smith was released on bail and, it is believed, continues to pose a serious threat to both Mr. Smith and their children of whom she still has custody.
Over the coming weeks and months, we will be turning our attention and activism toward Lt. Col. Joel Kirk and his children, who have been horribly wronged by the very system that Lt. Col. Kirk has devoted and risked his life to protect.
War is hell, and so is being married to and sharing children with an alcoholic, emotionally and physically abusive, Borderline Personality Disordered woman.
Before citing the many injustices, unethical, outlandish, biased and potentially criminal acts of Judge Lori B. Jackson, Thomas G. Smith, Esq., Jamison H. Cooper, Esq., Afton Leanne Huston, Esq., and Dr. Edward D. Baker, Ph.D., it’s necessary to provide some history and context. The Kirk marriage has a little something for everyone: false rape allegations, false domestic violence allegations, physical and emotional spousal abuse, child abuse, alcohol abuse and addiction, serial infidelities, financial fraud, identity theft, pathological deceit, and much, much more all perpetrated by Ms. Kirk.
Lt. Col. Kirk met Tina Taylor in 1991, three months into his Naval Aviation Training. He graduated Marine Officer Basic Training (otherwise known as TBS) near the top of his class, was flying Marine Aircraft and generally at the top of his game. It was instant attraction at first sight and the young officer believed he had met the woman of his dreams. In reality, the future Ms. Kirk is the stuff of nightmares.
Six months later, the Lt. Col. discovered Tina was engaged to a Navy pilot in California the entire time they were dating in Florida. He was devastated. Friends of Tina came forward after she left for California and revealed the truth about her promiscuity, drinking, smoking and drug use. While the Lt. Col. believed he had dodged a bullet, he says there was still a part of him that felt he was meant to be with her. Even after her fiancé called him warning him to “quit stalking” Tina or he would “regret it.” It would appear Tina lied to this man rather than admit she had betrayed him with the Lt. Col.
The false allegations started early on in their relationship and are just a glimpse of the hell that would later ensue. Their relationship should have ended then, but Tina resurfaced 2 years later.
The Borderline Boomerang and the never-ending, waking nightmare.
After receiving his Gold Wings in 1994, young officer Kirk was stationed in Southern California with a Replacement Air Group flying CH-53 Sea Stallions, even though he had requested to be based on the East coast to be closer to his family. If only the powers that be had honored his request the Lt. Col.’s life may have turned out very differently.
Soon after arriving in California, Tina tracked the Lt. Col. down and re-entered his life. She claimed leaving him in Florida was a mistake and . . . wait for it . . . that her boyfriend/fiancé was “abusive” and “threw her out onto the street.” She apologized for her past behavior and claimed to have found God. This activated the Lt. Col.’s knight in shining armor instincts. He rushed in to save his dubious damsel in distress and fell for her all over again.
It was only a few weeks after their reunion that the Lt. Col. discovered Tina’s relationship with the Navy pilot wasn’t over. After much denial and obfuscation, Tina finally admitted she was still seeing the man she claimed abused her, but only to “finalize” the relationship. Against his better judgment, Lt. Col. Kirk took her back.
He explains:
“I had never seen crying and pleading like Tina engaged in back then. “Please take me back. Please!” “It was a mistake!” “I was just finalizing our breakup!” “Please!” I was conflicted for weeks with myself about what to do. This woman had nearly cost me my dream career in Pensacola and was begging me to jump back in to the fire.”
“It was very difficult to believe her at this point. I enjoyed a very sheltered childhood in a small town and was not fully aware of important warning signs that would have spared me a lot of pain. I had no knowledge of Borderline Personality Disorder and sociopathy. I came from a place where everyone trusted each other, from the best guys in the world in my Marine Officer Training, to my relationship with Tina. I never saw her coming. In my entire life up until that point, I had been taught to always forgive and forget and did not understand that some people are just untrustworthy and best avoided.”
“Looking back, I still don’t know how I rationalized taking her back, but I did. I took her back and it was at this point that I made the most critical and life-changing decision I would ever make. I married her and that has brought me more pain, agony and distress than any and all combined combat flying would ever do.”
Lt. Colonel Joel Kirk
For those of you reading this who are unfamiliar with Borderline Personality Disordered individuals, you may wonder how a man as intelligent as Lt. Col. Kirk could have been so easily taken in by a woman like this despite the many warning signs. It is all too common for young, idealistic and, in many ways, naïve men from close knit families and traditional backgrounds like Lt. Col. Kirk, to be beguiled by and fall in love with women like Tina Taylor Kirk. Nice and trusting guys make perfect cannon fodder for this kind of female predator.
Lt. Col. Kirk is a decorated pilot. Over the course of his military career, he has been a Marine Pilot, a Combat Forward Air Controller (FAC) and a Marine Instructor Pilot. He is still an active Air Force Pilot. He was commissioned during Desert Storm. He served in Operation Northern Watch (Iraq), Operation Noble Eagle (U.S. after 9/11), Operation Iraqi Freedom (Iraq), Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), and Operation Joint Force (Bosnia).
He has been deployed 7 times for wartime contingencies and received 6 air medals for his service. He has flown nearly 200 combat missions and served over 500 hours in combat and 4,000 flight hours in six different airframes, both rotary and fixed wing. Yet, because of Judge Lori B. Jackson, an either extremely incompetent and/or extremely corrupt West Virginia Family Court judge, this brave and decent man has had to stand by and allow himself and his children to be abused by their mother, a woman who offered to sell the children to the Col. for $288,000 during mediation, which is documented in a letter written by Ms. Kirk’s attorney, Thomas G. Smith, Esq.
If you would like to read it (Children for Sale).
Notice how Mr. Smith tells the Lt. Col.’s attorney how generous Ms. Kirk is for offering to sell the children to their father for a paltry $144,000 apiece, and immediately reminds the Lt. Col.’s attorney that mediation negotiations are inadmissible in court. It would seem that even Mr. Smith knows how reptilian his behavior is.
Harrison County west virginia Judge Lori B. Jackson knowingly places children in the custody of an abusive, alcoholic, borderline personality disordered mother in the “best interests of the children.”
After over a decade of abuse and betrayals with more enlisted men (a very big no-no in the military, as in a career ending no-no), false rape allegations, $250,000 of debt incurred by and because of Tina ($40,000 of the debt was fraudulently incurred via credit cards she opened in her name during a separation that he now has been ordered to pay, while living it up with her boyfriend/alleged rapist and the rest was from two mortgages also incurred jointly by Tina) and other horrors, Lt. Col. Kirk wanted out.
He wanted out for years, but knew he would face tremendous bias in Family Court, even with over 1300 minutes of audio recordings of her abusive rampages. He had to leave the children with their abusive mother while deployed in two-month intervals, which was bad enough. He was terrified of what would happen to the children if they were left with her all of the time.
Then, one crazy summer night in 2009, Lt. Col. Kirk seemed to have a way out drop into his lap. I have tried repeatedly to write a short synopsis of what occurred that evening, but am unable to effectively convey the sheer insanity of what transpired.
Lt. Col. Kirk recounts the events of June 28, 2009:
“On the outside, Tina was mother of the year. At home, her head spun around on her neck while she turned green and vomited — and I mean all the time. I prayed for something or someone to save us. On June 28, 2009, Tina’s 40th birthday, she drank at least 5 too many martinis, all while the children and I pleaded with her to stop. She went into a rage that surprised even us veterans of such activity after years of her abuse.”
“From painful experience, the kids and I had learned to stay away from Tina when she was drunk and/or on the attack, to egress, and not to engage because it made her worse. If we couldn’t get away, we just went fetal and took it. Never ever did we fight back.”
“That night, I was trying to study for my annual check ride the next morning—a vitally important yearly test. We had spent Saturday and most of Sunday celebrating Tina’s birthday. Because it was her birthday, our video camera was lying on the table, so I filmed her. I filmed a raging Borderline abusing her family. She did not know I had come into the adjacent dark room because she was so wasted.”
“My son fled to a neighbor’s house for help, telling the neighbor, “Mom is going to kill us.” My son was 11 when this happened. He ran down a pitch-dark gravel road in flip-flops over 2 miles for help.”
“When it appeared that my wife might physically harm our daughter, I stepped in and set the camera on a table. It filmed me calmly asking my daughter to go outside so she wouldn’t have to suffer anymore of her mother’s verbal tirade. I knew Tina would then shift her rage to a new target, me, and she did. When she tried to incite me into an altercation, I knew I had to leave. I retrieved the camera, grabbed a bag of clothes and walked out the door with her cursing and screaming at me all the way.”
“I thought I had turned the camera off, but luckily I had not. I knew my son had fled. I also knew my daughter was outside, but not where (I have 100 acres). I got in my truck, backed out and stopped at the barn to see if the children were there. Our daughter came running and jumped in the truck.”
“We started down the driveway and as we did, we felt a tremendous crash on the back of my SUV and heard a scream. I stopped immediately and got out. As I walked to the back of the vehicle, I saw Tina on the ground screaming and yelling like a demon. She had attempted to jump on the back of a moving SUV and fell flat on her face.”
“I asked her if she was okay and discovered very quickly that was a bad move. She came after me. I ran back to the truck, jumped in and locked the doors. She then proceeded to dismantle the side mirror from the truck and attempted to break the windows, cutting her hand in the process. There was blood everywhere.”
“She screamed for my daughter to unlock the door, but she refused to do so. I still did not know where my son was, so I was scared to leave the property and did not want to move with Tina hanging on to the truck. Because we didn’t have cell phone coverage where I had stopped, I left our daughter in the truck, stepped out and ran to a reception area to call the police. They arrived on the scene at the same time as my son and the neighbor. Tina then went after all of them.”
“As she was being arrested, she screamed that I had abused her. She told the officers to look at what I had done to her. I showed the police the video and Tina was charged with domestic assault and taken to jail. Once on bail, she filed a protective order against me for assault, detaining her and the children and that she was in fear for her life. She filed an ex parte motion that the children were in immediate danger and needed to be removed from me.”
“The Judge granted the motion and Tina came to court with pictures of her injuries and claims of abuse. I came with the video from that night, the testimony of our children to the court appointed CPS worker, the police and the neighbor witness. I was given sole custody of my children on her motion to remove them from me. No reprimand for her false allegations was given. If I had not had the presence of mind to film the events that occurred that night, I would have lost my kids, my job and everything.”
“I called HOPE, a Domestic Violence center in Harrison County, and asked for help. I was told Tina had already reported a claim and that they could not speak with me. Within a week, there was a letter from HOPE stating that my ex was a victim of a dominating, controlling husband. She had never mentioned that she was the one arrested for Domestic Assault and they never bothered to verify what she told them with the court or the CPS worker. I knew right then I was in for a long haul.”
“Guardians and child counselors were appointed. Therapeutic visitation was arranged. At the very first meeting, Tina attacked the children in front of the Guardian and the counselor while in session. My children hid and the Guardian escorted my ex out and filed an immediate NO CONTACT order. I was relieved. I thought finally, “That should be enough.” Oh, was I wrong.”
Psychological evaluations were ordered. The services of Dr. Edward D. Baker, Ph.D. were retained. He diagnosed Ms. Kirk with Axis II Borderline Personality Disorder and Axis I Alcohol Abuse and diagnosed the Lt. Col. with Personality Disorder NOS (Not Otherwise Specified). Being entrusted with 25 million dollar aircraft necessitated that Lt. Col. Kirk be psychologically evaluated throughout his entire military career. Dr. Baker’s opinions are unsupported by 25 years of meticulous military testing.
Some of the more absurd findings by Dr. Baker include that Lt. Col. Kirk exacerbated Tina’s Borderline Personality Disorder because he was “too moral” and that she drank and had affairs to ease her pain from the marital conflict. This is ridiculous. It would be laughable that Dr. Baker believes a man not wanting his wife to cheat on him with multiple partners, to not abuse their children and not drink herself into oblivion while endangering the lives of herself and the children is “too moral,” if his findings were not used by Judge Lori B. Jackson and Ms. Kirk’s three attorneys to enable her continued abuse of the children and the Lt. Col.
Dr. Baker also determined that filming Tina was “abusive” because the Lt. Col. seemed more interested in making her look bad than nurturing the children. These are just the “highlights” of Dr. Baker’s biased and empirically baseless interpretations regarding the nature of Borderline Personality Disorder, marital infidelity, addiction, domestic violence and child abuse. Lt. Col. Kirk suspects Dr. Baker had decided the outcome of his report before he even met with him. The report itself is littered with factual errors and gross biases, but more on that in future articles on this topic.
The children were also evaluated by multiple professionals and found to be credible witnesses. During their evaluations, the children provided detailed accounts of their mother’s abuse. Statements from the children’s evaluations include:
- “Dad just sits and takes it and mom just keeps after him.”
- “Mom abuses dad and hits him.”
- “We hide from mom until dad gets home.”
- “The night mom got arrested on a scale of 1-10 was a 10, but we have 9s a lot.”
- “Mom does not help around the house and when dad is gone we have to take care of ourselves.”
- “Our father does everything.”
Originally, the court ordered that the only way the children could safely travel for visitation with their mother was if she had a Breathalyzer interlock installed in her vehicle. Within 5 months, Tina removed it without consent of the court and was held in contempt.
Judge Cornelia Reep was the original judge involved in the Kirk’s divorce and custody dispute. She watched the video, read the reports and awarded emergency physical custody to Col. Kirk without hesitation. Three years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later, Ms. Kirk strategically obtained new legal representation, while stiffing her first attorney for thousands of dollars.
Judge Reep had represented Tina’s new attorney during his divorce when Reep was a practicing attorney, which caused her to recuse herself from the case. Judge Lori B. Jackson took over and things changed dramatically for the worse. As it turns out, Judge Jackson should have also recused herself from the case as her husband is best friends with Tina’s attorney, Thomas G. Smith, Esq. This would also appear to be a conflict of interest.
The details of Judge Lori B. Jackson’s malfeasance are long and will be detailed at greater length in future articles, so let’s begin with the basics. For starters, Judge Jackson:
- Is in the process of reversing custody. She ruled that although Ms. Kirk was drunk, hysterical and abusive, she still showed good parenting instincts unlike Lt. Col. Kirk who, although sober, acted just as irrationally by video taping the abusive episode instead of trying to calm down a drunk, raging, violent Borderline. A videotape, by the way, that Judge Jackson has gagged from public view.
- Determined that the children had been unfairly separated from their mother because of court proceedings and not because of Ms. Kirk’s volatile and abusive behavior and alcoholism.
- Determined, without a shred of evidence, that the children would be harmed if they were not returned to Ms. Kirk’s care because Lt. Col. Kirk is “equally dangerous to the children.” Bear in mind, Judge Jackson viewed the video filmed on June 28, 2009.
- Determined, without a shred of evidence, that since Ms. Kirk had been the primary caretaker of the children prior to separation, that, by law, she should be entitled to that again despite her well-documented abuses. In reality, Lt. Col. Kirk has long been the children’s primary caretaker, even with his deployments.
- Determined, without a shred of evidence, that Ms. Kirk had passed up employment opportunities by being married and should, therefore, be reimbursed. In reality, Ms. Kirk worked for all but 5 years of the marriage until the children were weaned. She holds an associate degree in business, a degree in holistic nutrition and multiple fitness training certifications.
- Determined that Lt. Col. Kirk showed a lack of concern for their daughter because he “locked her in a truck” and did not console her when she was upset, even though it is impossible to lock someone in a vehicle without power locks. Clearly, the Lt. Col. and his daughter were in the vehicle to keep Ms. Kirk from attacking them until the police arrived.
- Determined that Ms. Kirk’s expenses exceed her income, so Lt. Col. Kirk should pay her and that all credit card debt, even the debt she ran up during her affair while separated, was marital and Col. Kirk’s responsibility.
- Determined that the divorce was “equal fault.”
- Determined that anytime Lt. Col. Kirk deploys for more than 72 hours, the children will be in the full custody of Ms. Kirk. Keep in mind they have been living with the Lt. Col. and their grandmother for over three years and in the Lt. Col.’s home for the last seven years.
- Determined that all of the Lt. Col.’s estate, including pre-marital assets (funds that the Col. has had since childhood and kept separate) was to be divided. West Virginia is an equitable distribution state not a community property state.
- Created money that does not and has never existed in an effort to pad Lt. Col. Kirk’s credit side of the distribution ledger. This way, Judge Jackson could show unequal distribution and extort money from the Lt. Col. through a court order to pay Ms. Kirk an exorbitant amount of money. The amount created was over $70,000. This was even upheld in the last contempt hearing in which Judge Jackson ordered the Lt. Col. to pay even though she admitted in court, “That is clearly a mistake.” The Lt. Col. has an appeal schedule on this matter later this fall.
- Awarded Ms. Kirk the Lt. Col.’s retirement, half of the marital assets, no responsibility for child support, $45,000 in spousal support already paid in the last three years and $12,000 more over the next three years regardless of remarriage. All marital debt, about $400,000, was given to the Lt. Col. Ms. Kirk, again with two college degrees, and who worked for all but five years of the marriage, was imputed at minimum wage for calculations that leave the Lt. Col. with over $1,000 a month in support payments to her for what will soon be 50% custody. This does not include the $800 a month in child support he was ordered to pay.
Judge Jackson’s rulings have nearly destroyed the Lt. Col.’s ability to support his children. He was also ordered to pay the bulk of the court-appointed Guardian Ad Litem fees. For over three years, he has paid Ms. Kirk over $1500 a month in pay and benefits while he had sole custody of the children and serviced 100% of the marital debt. Ms. Kirk has had no legal fees since stiffing her original attorney. Her lawyers work pro bono. Ms. Kirk also quit work after separation under the guidance of her first attorney in order to throw off the chart for income and place the lion’s share of burden on Lt. Col. Kirk. Mission accomplished.
Judge Lori B. Jackson basically ignored three years worth of recommendations by court appointed officials who were charged with determining the “best interests of the children.” All of these officials, with the exception of Dr. Edward D. Baker, agreed that the children should not be placed in the custody of their mother. However, even Dr. Baker agreed the children were truthful in their accounts when he interviewed them. Numbers of reports were submitted to the court attesting to Ms. Kirk’s unfitness as a parent and Judge Jackson has neither acknowledged their existence in her rulings nor has she stated why she disregarded them.
Judge Lori B. Jackson completely disregarded the children’s counselor’s recommendations and continues to disregard the children’s own custody requests to live with their father.
Judge Lori B. Jackson disregarded the detailed written report and recommendations of the Guardian ad Litem formed over her extensive three-year interactions with the children and thorough investigation.
Judge Lori B. Jackson disregarded the report by Children’s Protective Services.
Judge Lori B. Jackson has yet to acknowledge Ms. Kirk’s diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder and its implications on her fitness to parent.
Judge Lori B. Jackson appears to have based her rulings simply on the word of an established mentally ill liar and the dubious opinions of a Psychologist who claims that Ms. Kirk’s many abuses, infidelities, alcoholism and rage were due to the effects of a “volatile marriage on her frail psyche.” It is also possible that there are relationships and/or political favors occurring behind closed doors, but don’t expect to see the truth or, for that matter, justice from Judge Lori B. Jackson.
More articles on Lt. Col. Kirk’s case are soon to follow by Paul Elam, others and myself. We ask that you consider supporting Col. Kirk when the time comes (and it will very soon!) by writing letters, posting respectful and civil comments on any news publications that carry this story, blogging about his story and/or simply by keeping Col. Kirk and his children in your thoughts.
Meanwhile, I have one question for Judge Lori B. Jackson, the pro bono attorneys, Thomas G. Smith, Esq., Jamison H. Cooper, Esq., and Afton Leanne Huston, Esq., and Dr. Edward D. Baker, Ph.D.:
Would you feel comfortable leaving your children in Tina Taylor Kirk’s care for a week? For a day? For an hour?
Didn’t think so.
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ErnestoGuevara:
aimeemcgee:
Gordon Wadsworth:
I have heard the Lt. Col. tell me his story many times now and have reviewed this article over and over again since I began writing it 72 hours ago and I am still just as appalled, horrified and incredulous as the first time I heard it several months ago.
Lori Jackson needs removed from the bench. She is a disgrace to Harrison County, the State of West Virginia, and the United States as a whole.
Have called Harrison County West Virginia county clerk’s office to determine when corrupt child-abuser creep Lori Jackson was elected to the bench and when she’s up for re-election. She was re-elected in 2008 and they serve an 8 year term, which means this lizard is immune to being voted out of office until 2016. Unfortunate, because while we can make sure voters are aware of this scumbag they unwittingly elected, a 4 year wait isn’t good enough for me.
Judges in West Virginia may be impeached by the house of delegates and removed by a two-thirds vote of the senate. It is time to determine who Col. Kirk’s State Delegate and State Senator are and begin discussing what it takes to have her removed from office. Colonel Kirk can begin the process of finding this information out here:
http://www.legis.state.wv.us/House/members/delmemview1.cfm
http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Senate1/members/senmemview.cfm
Contacting the West Virginia House Speaker and Senate President’s office will also be in line, but the Colonel needs to find out who his delegate and who is Senator is.
This lizard needs to be removed from the bench.
Dean,
See post down near the bottom regarding code of conduct for judges.
Add this
“GENERAL INFORMATION
The West Virginia Rules of Judicial Disciplinary Procedure, Rule 1, establishing the Judicial Investigation Commission, states that “the ethical conduct of judges is of the highest importance to the people of the State of West Virginia and to the legal profession. Every judge shall observe the highest standards of judicial conduct. In furtherance of this goal, the Supreme Court of Appeals does hereby establish a Judicial Investigation Commission [Commission] to determine whether probable cause exists to formally charge a judge with a violation of the Code of Judicial Conduct promulgated by the Supreme Court of Appeals to govern the ethical conduct of judges or that a judge, because of advancing years and attendant physical and mental incapacity, should not continue to serve.”
http://www.courtswv.gov/legal-community/judicial-investigaion.html
Imho this is the route to go with the above documentation I do believe there is prima facie evidence for investigation.
Waiting for 4 more years for this cretin to be removed would only serve to put more men children and families at risk for more abuse by jackson.
Dean, I have corresponded with Joel since he first came to Dr T’s boards. I may have this wrong, but I am pretty certain he went to his reps, and they stiff-armed him. If he can identify them, they should definitely be added to the targeted contact list so that their attention can be adjusted.
I would also like to know if an attorney can be disbarred for attempting to sell children.
Anyone know?
Another interesting fact, I don’t believe any of the 3 pro bozo’s (pro bonos) are family law attorneys. I think all 3 of them are personal injury attorneys.
“We’ll get money for YOU!”
Dr. T
For that area you need to go here:
Office of Disciplinary Counsel
City Center East
4700 MacCorkle Avenue SE, Suite 1200C
Charleston, West Virginia 25304
Office: (304) 558-7999
Fax: (304) 558-4015
http://www.wvodc.org/
A lawyers code of conduct:
http://www.wvodc.org/clientlawyer.htm
S 1.2
“Rule 1.2. Scope of Representation.
(a) A lawyer shall abide by a client’s decisions concerning the objectives of representation, subject to paragraphs (c), (d) and (e) and shall consult with the client as to the means by which they are to be pursued. A lawyer shall abide by a client’s decision whether to accept an offer of settlement of a matter. In a criminal case, the lawyer shall abide by the client’s decision, after consultation with the lawyer, as to a plea to entered, whether to waive a jury trial and whether the client will testify.
(c) A lawyer may limit the objectives of the representation if the client consents after consultation.
(d) A lawyer shall not counsel a client to engage, or assist a client, in conduct that the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent, but a lawyer may discuss the legal consequences of any proposed course of conduct with a client and may counsel or assist a client to make a good faith effort to determine the validity, scope, meaning or application of the law.
(e) When a lawyer knows that a client expects assistance not permitted by the rules of professional conduct or other law, the lawyer shall consult with the client regarding the relevant limitations on the lawyer’s conduct.
Some other links:
http://www.wvodc.org/links.htm
Something interesting that goes to having jackson removed
http://www.wvodc.org/sopc.htm
7. A judge should recognize that a lawyer has a right and a duty to present a case fully and properly, and that a litigant has a right to a fair and impartial hearing. Within the practical limits of time, a judge should allow lawyers to present proper arguments and to make a complete and accurate record.
And then down at 1.16
http://www.wvodc.org/clientlawyer.htm#r116
Rule 1.16. Declining or terminating representation.
” (a) Except as stated in paragraph (c), a lawyer shall not represent a client or, where representation has commenced, shall withdraw from the representation of a client if:
(1) the representation will result in violation of the rules of professional conduct or other law;
(b) Except as stated in paragraph (c), a lawyer may withdraw from representing a client if withdrawal can be accomplished without material adverse effect on the interests of the client, or if:
(1) the client persists in a course of action involving the lawyer’s services that the lawyer reasonably believes is criminal or fraudulent;
(2) the client has used the lawyer’s services to perpetrate a crime or fraud;“
Hmm think there is quite a bit of law and stuff to throw at these jokers claiming to be ethical and good.
Like I said there appears to be compelling evidence to suggest that there needs to be an investigation into these people.
I am not sure but I believe the Lt Colonel needs to file the complaints, and just from memory I believe the statute of limitations is 2 yrs but that can be extended if new evidence comes to light at a later date. I also believe that the 2 yr time limit starts from the last incident.
Once we the MRM knows of the complaints it then becomes our duty to keep the heat on them to do the right and just thing.
Shine the fucken trillion watt light bulb of public scrutiny on these jokers, and watch them evaporate.
She’s doing her “job.” Even in the face of evidence. The goal is never justice, it’s about collecting money no matter what. This behavior is encouraged. NO JUSTICE! She will get a medal for her actions.
I have no doubts whatsoever about what you’re saying Dr. T., having seen it first hand myself.
I’m far less eloquent than you, but “Los Misandry” and “Witch-Hunting Males” at Youtube are based on similar horror stories that were created because of America’s corrupt, domestic violence law.
Witch-Hunting Males
http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu
Los Misandry
http://tinyurl.com/27oh7cp
Pass them along to the good Lt. Col. if you like, if you have the opportunity. It’s probably small consolation, but I understand the story being told. I know beyond any doubt how situations like his occur thanks to the gender feminist evils perpetrated under the Violence Against Women Act. He is not alone.
Hi Tara.
Thanks for the posting.
‘Judge’ Lori B. Jackson should be on aVfM as a featured offender with the title bigot I reckon.
Keep up your fantastic work on this issue.
Who downvoted this?
The usual suspects.
Ever tried lifting a rock, and noticed how the nasty bugs and critters will scatter in all directions, when exposed to the light?
Same thing here.
They don’t like it.
Dr. T, thanks for putting up the article so that we can hopefully help this man.
I have to admit that I could only stomach reading excerpts of this document. Although my case has been settled to a point, I have suffered badly in the past and every now and then I find I simply cannot read all the way through these stories. I guess it’s like suffering from PTSD, which I think most of us live with after spending many years being abused by this system.
Anyway, let’s hope we can help this guy, or at least do something about this disgusting creature who sat in judgment over his case.
I have read some pretty absurd things in my time, but this one takes the cake.
It’s his fault because he is “too moral” ? Filming Tina was “abusive” ?
Next stop, his simple existence is abusive…
It’s official, there is no end to this kind of twisted,sick and insane “logic”
I have seen many, many absurd cases, as absurd as this. There is an huge mob of people parasitically picking apart these kids lives for profit. Without children to exploit, many six figure incomes from the “experts,” the “professionals,” would go down to five figures.
This scenario (pillaging parasites empowered by government) is going on in many aspects of life outside the family courts and at this point every hardworking person’s earnings and assets are being targeted by bureaucrats (see the backlash against Agenda 21, which, you will learn is actually connected to the family dismemberment agenda).
I hope AVfM will spread the news of these children’s plight and their father’s and NEVER STOP until we slay the dragon that would consume millions of innocents more if we let its lawless plundering and violations of decency continue to rage on.
The only game in town is the real life fight against tyranny. Who has time during this time of war-against-family to play games on video and watch games on TV? This freedom from tyranny game is the only game in town — until we have definitively won it. Freedom is a spectator sport.
I will write a comment later today. For now I’d be no good as I am stunned.
I’m still speechless over Thomas G. Smith’s and Ms. Kirk’s offer to sell the children out of bondage to their father.
Why isn’t this on national headlines that someone is trying to sell their children in America ?
Literally SELL HER CHILDREN !!!
This will be mindfucking me for a the next few weeks or months, or probably even leave a permanent WTF thought lingering in my head
Answer: Because this behavior is common. And it is ideologically sanctioned.
“Children belong to the state,” is a dogma that is held by many, many professionals and policy makers. I have researched this issue. There are many high ranking and influential experts who wish to completely eradicate parental rights.
“I’m still speechless over Thomas G. Smith’s and Ms. Kirk’s offer to sell the children out of bondage to their father.”
Why does the word “cannibalism” come into my mind, when I read how the feminist trained court(s) allow children to be abused? American judges routinely tell jurors their legal system is the best in the world, but clearly such shenanigans are less than emblematic of a “civilized society.”
I do not think it is uncommon. There are also offers of purchase. My X through her lawyer offered me no child support (it was $850+/month at the time) to not fight her move-away attempt. The X’s can use your money to buy your kids – that is a slap in so many ways.
Doc et al, you know what press outlet would salivate over “US Lawyer attempts to sell client’s children” headlines? http://www.dailymail.co.uk. HUGE readership both sides of the pond, much like National Enquirer, and they love these kinds of stories. Add some full-color photos, they’ll eat it up. And they can host the video, too. She has no jurisdiction over a UK web site.
Wow!
Please tell me the judge was just as drunk as the mother, when she made those rulings.
Fucking incredible..
My heartfelt sympathies for Lt. Col. Kirk and his children, as well as my thanks for his service.
And take a bow, Dr. T., for the exhausting effort to congeal a mountain of scattered facts into a cohesive picture for us all.
There are more articles, and, importantly, activism to follow. This travesty cannot be allowed to go unaddressed. I plead with all the MRAs who have rolled up their sleeves with us in the past to do so again on behalf of Lt. Col. Kirk and his children.
Got an IP on the person who has down modded you and Dr. T
I would not mind a chance to use my lapsed, ahem, tracing skills.
Seriously, WTF!!!
Like Dr F. I need awhile to process this travesty.
I don’t really care whether people want to down vote, that is why readers have two options. But I am curious about this one in particular. Would you mind emailing me the IP? Thanks
Hey paul off topic but is it to much to ask that the featured offenders from, registerher be someone other than biggots?
Hi Paul, I hope it wasn’t me, but it may well have been. I had a bad go with my computer when registering and I may have caused problems your end, as I got a password re-set come through. When I got on, it didn’t appear to be working properly, and I was pressing on all sorts of things to see if it was working. It is an old computer, and it does play up, I guess that is why my boss let me have it. All the very best to you, and thank you for standing up for all the men, like this poor bloke, who are getting shafted by corrupt scumbags.
Thank you, Paul, and thank you for the extra set of fresh editorial eyes.
Just sending thoughts and positive vibes the way of Lt.Col. Kirk and his two children.
Dr T, how is it that when you think you’ve seen the worst, another one comes along to trump that record?
That’s the saddest fact, Aimee. For every Lt. Col. Kirk, there are countless more men and children who have had their rights and dignity trampled.
“That’s the saddest fact, Aimee. For every Lt. Col. Kirk, there are countless more men and children who have had their rights and dignity trampled.”
Sadly, many of them are in the Beat-Dead-Dad graveyard, http://tinyurl.com/cyg84nh but we never hear about them in the biased MSM – Thomas James Ball, being just one glaring omission.
Fatherhood is a political prisoner.
http://tinyurl.com/2ukbyv
I have read many of these stories and each time I believe I have heard the worst, but then somethng like this comes along.
This is just, well there really aren’t words strong enough. This poor man and those children have had to suffer at the hands of an incredibly abusive and obviously dangerous women. There are documents and experts to show clearly she is dangerous and yet this judge, jackson, doesn’t agree? And the conflict of interest needs to be addressed.
I hope that this man finally gets justice and those children are taken back to be with him in a loving, caring, safe home. I also hope someone gets that judge fired. She has absolutely no right to be a judge, they are supposed to be impartial and go with the evidence.
Her entire career needs to be reviewed. I somehow doubt she doesn’t have a track record.
My best wishes to this man and his children.
Same is happening to my Son and I, what is happening, is a cash for kids racket, works best with and altruistic father and a narcisstic mother there are other variations.
The courts, lawyers and their sidekicks are also narcissistic, excluding all altruistic good lawyers etc.
They know the altruistic father will spend, giving their all to provide and protect their kids, he courts withhold the kids from the father to bleed him dry.
End game the family is destroyed bleed of all cash.
Classic good versus evil.
Robert Owen (14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858) was a Welsh social reformer and one of the founders of socialism and the cooperative movement.
Owen’s son Robert Dale stayed at New Harmony after its collapse. He had a different assessment of his father’s experiment. “All cooperative schemes which provide equal remuneration to the skilled and industrious and the ignorant and idle must work their own downfall, for by this unjust plan … they must of necessity eliminate the valuable members … and retain only the improvident, unskilled, and vicious.”
Owen, Robert Dale, 1801–77, American social reformer, b. Scotland; son of Robert Owen/
Owen was generous in volunteering to take every virgin in the commune, when she had her first period, and initiate her into “free sex.”
I can’t find any words. I am filled with sorrow for this man, and filled with indignation at the corrupt public officials who have destroyed him and his children.
Shocking! Sickening! What a scary world this has become when these kinds of injustices can pass so easily. I’m stressed and exhausted just reading about it so I can only imagine how Col. Kirk and his children must feel.
Many thoughts and prayers to Col. Kirk and his family. We are all behind you all the way!!!
My prayers go to Lt.Col Kirk and his children.
Apparently gathering evidence of female-perpetrated abuse counts as abuse itself. Remember guys, not suffering in silence is abusive. I wondered what the next trick to hide abusive behaviour of women was going to be.
Is there any way the children can make reports or complaints of their own? Surely their teachers would do something if the children tried to speak to them about their danger?
Also I agree with ChrisD, exposing the corruption and bigotry of Judge Jackson seems important.
The children have been evaluated repeatedly and have unequivocally stated repeatedly that they are afraid of their mother and want to live with their father.
Court appointed counselors, CPS, the GAL all promised the kids if they told the truth, they would help them. The kids told the truth over and over. All the court appointed experts recommended that custody be given to the Col. Judge Jackson has disregarded it all.
The children will not talk to counselors anymore. They told the truth about their abuser and were returned to her on a silver platter. I can only imagine the consequences they have suffered for telling the truth about their “mother.”
That is outrageous, just outrageous. This is child abuse, nothing less. Good god.
“That is outrageous, just outrageous. This is child abuse, nothing less. Good god.”
The feminist trained, nanny state is a b@$t@rd parent. :-/
And this is an entirely ‘normal’ scenario that is played out in family courts around the western world.
There is nothing startling there at all, except maybe to those who are ignorant of what actually goes on within the walls of these Kangaroo Courts.
Dead right, Shrek…. we have lost count havent we?!
My advice to father’s involved in custody cases is this:
(a). Don’t believe a judge who says that a father who does not successfully “enforce” visitation to an abusive mother is in contravention of Orders. He is not. All he has to do is to say that he insisted to the children that they go and that they refused, and maybe that he threatened to take away children’s X-box if they didn’t go. He tried admirably. The dad cannot physically abuse kids into his vehicle to enforce the Orders, for that is child abuse. The reason judges hurl this hollow threat of “contempt” or “contravention” at fathers is because the judge himself does not want to take responsibility for forcing kids to go to an abusive mother in case the mother kills or abuses the kids and the judge then be held responsible. No, he must put that onus on the dad… but as i said, dad can put it straight back onto judge by claiming he has done all he could to talk the kids into going to mums, but the kids refused to go. This is a bullet-proof strategy and all it takes is guts to believe it works and follow through.
(b). When dad is no longer responsible for forcing “refusing” kids to go to mothers care (because he tried many times unsuccessfully), then police and judge are in a horror position of being ultimately responsible for forcing the visitation and for if mother hurts kids…. just like dad was! In this case the judge and police will always make the remarkable decision to reverse orders and give father full custody, and will not harass the kids to go.
That’s the primitive power play at work here with the courts. In the final analysis children’s wishes trump police and judges power, and the latter don’t want this to be understood.
@Shrek & Tawil my son is being abused by the mother LAQ FCA Brisbane and the judge knowing he won’t go to the mother, 2 years of evidence of abuse and neglect by the mother, LAQ stopped my legal aid 2 years ago, they just gave her full responsibility, I get 1 hour supervised and there trying to stop that.
I absolutely agree with this Tarwil.
The buggers tried to pull that stunt on me and I stood my ground. I had two sons who refused to go spend time with their mother. Both of these refusals came at different times and resulted in two different court hearings. Her lawyers tried to force the situation with both.
The judge was going to order my eldest son to go back to his mother and I said I would not obey any court order that would see my son sent back to his abuser and I said that if he did go back, he has already threatened to kill his mother. So, I said that if you people want to force him back, then go for it, but I will not!
My eldest son was never mentioned again in all the following court hearings.
The second son walked out on his mother and the ex tried to get a police recovery order to have him forced back. I told the court that I will not force him to go back, but will encourage him to try and get over his anger and consider having time with his mother.
In the end the judge asked how far from the mothers house I lived and I told him. Then the judge refused the recovery order and told the court that if the son wishes to see his mother, then he can walk over to her place and see her. Six months later I convinced my son to spend a little time with his mother and he put a stop to going over there any more than 4 nights a fortnight.
The eldest son has never been back to his mother, but will visit her under his terms.
The judges and the lawyers will badger and threaten fathers to do their dirty work. Stand your ground and refuse to obey the court order that they threaten you with. If you have a case where the mother is definitely abusive and dangerous to the children, always stand your ground and refuse to send the kids back.
Simply tell the court that you have never abused your children and you don’t intend on starting now. Tell the court that to knowingly send a child into a dangerous situation, is against the law and could result in prosecution and imprisonment.
Then tell the court that if they wish to take the risk of the child being harmed or murdered, then so bit it, but it will be on their heads and they will face the consequences of their actions.
Stand your ground. Don’t let the bastards bully you!
But above all, LEARN ALL YOU CAN ABOUT YOUR “STRAWMAN”. Once you understand your Strawman, you will see things in a very different way and you will know how to fight for your rights and the rights of your children in this chamber of evil.
Right on Shrek, most dads get fearstruck by the empty threats and strawman bullshit. I received full custody of my kids after they refused to go back to mum (we had 50/50 orders) and I told judge I would no longer enforce them to do it because they had refused – that i had tried unsuccessfully. That they also ran away from mothers several times and cell-phoned me to pick them up. (the winning combination: running away from her, and refusing to go see her).
Surprise surprise the judge placed them 100% in my care and his threats of contempt etc. evaporated…. could not be upheld in face of children’s demonstrated wishes.
The scenario with your son threatening to kill his mother was equally powerful, it gave you licence to refuse to send him to her for reasons of “stopping violence”.
I can think of dozens of other cases of dads facing up to the contravention of orders threat and they won. NB. but it only works if the children are 100% onboard. Not all kids are fully decided on one parent, and even among those that are some fold under pressure. If your kids don’t seem strong and able to stand resolute, don’t go there.
Yes the key to success in these cases, is when you have the children 100% on board. In effect, the kids are the ones driving the case and you are there to protect them along the way. The courts won’t normally fight against the kids, if they are resolute.
One thing is for certain though, you can see the saliva frothing at their mouths as they spit and hiss, because the have been foiled by children and cannot do the father over like they do to other fathers.
Know your Strawman, know your children’s rights, know your rights and know the law. You don’t have to be an expert, just the basics will do.
Some mongrel judges will force the kids back, but this usually only works when the children are very young. Once the kids are mobile and can stand their ground, then there’s not much the judges can do. And boy do they hate losing!
Excellent summary, Shrek…. agree with every word you said. The voice of experience!
The task reminds me of an ancient mariners map; “There be dragons there, but sail straight past.”
I’m at a loss what to do now to save my son
@ Quolls “LAQ stopped my legal aid 2 years ago, they just gave her full responsibility, I get 1 hour supervised and there trying to stop that… I’m at a loss what to do now to save my son
Sounds like your situation, like that of many alienated fathers, has passed the point Shrek and I were outlining. My heart goes out to you brother, there were times during my long legal battle that the judge cut me off from kids (albiet temporarily) and it was a gut wrenching blow… I know that feeling.
You certainly don’t want to be using rhetoric which can be used against you but you could probably overturn down the verdict, metaphorically speaking, with legal undermining tactics. E.g. you could tell your kids during the hour visit (if you have not already done so) how much you love using the internet, building your own blog…. if you rave on about it enough then the first time thier mother pisses them off (bound to happen) your kids are sure to go looking for your www page. Set it up with a few photos of you and them from childhood, with statements of fatherly love – and your email address displayed in big bold font. Write about yourself too – hopes, skills, funny experiences. This would have to be done carefully so you won’t be seen as coercing them, but it can be done….. the first advantage is that in the unthinkable event you get completely cut off they can go find you again. They will search online regardless. If eventually they start emailing you then you can build your relationship to the point they may insist on spending more time with you.
I hope that suggestion doesnt sound glib, it may anyway be something you have already considered….. its a tactic that has been effective for some dads alienated from kids but who still had a window of contact to build from.
Thanks Tawil, thing is courts should be fair and just, this narcissistic corrupt crap needs to be stopped.
@Quolls
Mate, I really feel for you and your son. The unfortunate thing about this situation, is that your son will need to be of an age where he can fight for his rights and demand to have you in his life. Once he gets to that stage then the writing is on the wall for the mother and the courts.
If your son is still quite young, then there is not much you can do at this stage, I’m so sorry to say.
What Tarwil has suggested about using the internet as a means of contact, is a bloody great way to go when you are faced with being cut off from your kids, plus it is important if your son is being alienated against you.
Parental Alienation is a form of brainwashing, just like they do in these religious sect camps out in the bush, or what they did in concentration camps during the war.
Your son will be having his mind altered to the point where he will no longer see you as having any connection with him at all. He may even become a co-hater of you, just so he pleases the only parent he has left in his life, who also happens to be his abuser and controller. So if he ever gets nasty, don’t take offense, because it is his mother speaking. You don’t ever tolerate the bad behaviour, just don’t hold it against him.
Get on the internet and study Parental Alienation, and then place some of those worthy links on your web page also, so that if he finds your site, then he can also educate himself about PA and then hopefully learn to use his critical thinking skills, which will aid him in his return to normal thinking and then his escape.
Have some links on your website to PA websites, especially ones that have info for children.
Just make sure you don’t mention anyone else on that website so that you can’t be in breach of the ‘cover my arse’ law, Section 121 of the family law act 1975. Never put any angry language on that site about any issue, and never say one single word about his mother or anyone connected to her. Be squeaky clean.
Most importantly of all, NO MRA STUFF!
They will crucify you if you show your MRA side and you will never see him again. Just portray yourself as a loving Dad who misses his son, which is actually 100% true.
But always remember the mantra that is needed for all men/fathers going through the mongrel family destruction court:
Document, document, document, document, every bloody thing that happens. And if you can video, do that too!
I cannot stress this enough. Even the chief abuser who sits there like a twit with a wig on its head, cannot dismiss documented evidence that is submitted in chronological order and details everything that has happened, with the date, time, place, names of people involved and circumstances included.
And I say again Mate, educate yourself about your Strawman, if you haven’t already. I know many have done this, but it is surprising the number of MRAs’ who know nothing about their Strawman. It is of vital importance that we know this, because it will help you fight in the future and it will not only make you angry that people use this bullshit to abuse you in court, you will then find the courage to stand in front of a judge and demand that the other party ‘show proof of their claim’ or you demand the court to have that false evidence be stricken from the case and court record. You can then fight back against the lies they present about you in court. Even declaring that you are fully aware of your Strawman and how the other party is using this to harm your sons relationship with you. Then demand that the judge do their job and allow the child to have the appropriate time with his father.
Stand your ground Quolls and although these bastards may be winning at the moment, sooner or later your son is going to get really pissed off at his abuser mother and he will come looking for you. When he does, you need to be ready and well equiped with all the tools you need to fight for him.
I can’t say much else, because in reality, there is not much else that can be said, until your son decides he is going to stand up and fight to get access to you.
Good luck Mate and I pray you do end up with your son!
Thanks Shrek,
Have documented and video extensively, just went to see Dr TG, he said the same … http://www.f4e.com.au/blog/2012/09/03/what-a-psychologist-can-and-cant-do-for-you-if-you-are-divorcing/ … my site … http://fathersunionaustralia.com/wp/
Ps … Dig your movies
Quolls, if the ‘fathersunionaustralia.com site is yours, then you are well versed and I can’t tell you anything more. And I see you have looked into Dr. Warshak. I know his work well. I have been in the business of supporting many who suffer PA for around a decade now and have been fortunate to have had conversations with some of these professionals.
If you haven’t already, you should look up Dr. Amy Baker, because she has a wonderful book out targeting children who have suffered PA.
Her site: http://www.amyjlbaker.com/
She has two books and both are on her home page. I haven’t read them, but know people who have and they say that the books are worth the money.
http://fathersunionaustralia.com/wp/books/adult-children-of-parental-alienation-syndrome/
I want to echo how important a blog can be. My SO has a secret FB page which only has him and his alienated daughter as members. We know she reads it. That’s big progress.
Just don’t start me on issues such as age of decision making…judges ignore the age thing and assume a kid is uninfluenced by the alienating parent…yeah, right!
@Aimee,
As soon as we can get Parental Alienation into the DSM-V, all those issues with children being influenced by alienating parents, will start to diminish.
The only reason they get away with it today, is because there are few to none court experts who are trained in spotting and dealing with PA. Once it is recognised as part of some kind of psycho disorder, then they will be taught this in Uni and it will hopefully be passed on to the judges. That will all take some time though, which will not help any of us.
@Shrek, I’m not convinced PAS will make it into the DSM-V as BPD looks like its gonna get dropped.
I so wish it was there.
Laughed at your comment about practicing ones faith…I belong to a group of ‘bad Quakers’, who all support each other in our various failings to stick with testimonies…generally with good humor. A recent thread about how paintballing was a very unquakerly but thoroughly satisfying recreation was great.
Tawil and Shrek almost certainly have the actions Kirk should be following here. Although I would do our best to get this on video and to, again, do all we can to draw attention to the incompetent, abusive, despicable lizard of a judge named Lori Jackson so voters in Harrison County West Virginia know exactly what kind of scumbag hatemonger idiot they made the unfortunate mistake of electing.
DE, I couldn’t agree more. There are many judges out there who no matter what case you put forward, are going to rule (quite illegally) against you in the face of overwhelming evidence and they will put children at risk of harm. Thankfully, these types of despicable cretins are in the minority, even if most judges are anti-father.
Most judges normally won’t go up against a child or children who are fighting tooth and nail to get back to their father.
And the fallacy that the kids have to be of a certain age is also something the other lawyers use. If the child knows their own mind and they have an age appropriate understanding of the consequences of their actions, then it is rare that they will be ruled against. They usually get what they want!
“And the fallacy that the kids have to be of a certain age is also something the other lawyers use. If the child knows their own mind and they have an age appropriate understanding of the consequences of their actions, then it is rare that they will be ruled against. They usually get what they want!”
Shrek, thanks for bringing this up.
I was shocked to learn that the universally touted legal age at which children could decide for themselves which parent they wanted to live with simply doesnt exist! there is no law, no legislation, no guidelines in Australia dictationg an age limit.
My lawyer, in fact all lawyers, all social workers, all psychologists, and all of the public, believe that 12yrs of age is the age at which kids can decide. Its a complete and utter urban myth designed to falsely control dads and kids.
How many millions of dads have been estranged from thier kids based on the false instruction that pre-12yr old kids cannot have a say? Most fell prey to this widespread lie.
Children of 5, 7, 10, 15….. all can be heard by courts and have their wishes, if reasonable, dictate the outcome. If only dads knew about this. The upshot: get your kids, whatever age, to a trustworthy child assessor who can document thier wishes for the court.
@ Tarwil.
Yeah, I was also under the belief that it was 12 years of age, until my second eldest son walked out on his mother, just days after his 12th birthday.
When we were in court a couple of months later and after an enforced 2nd children’s interviews/report were completed, my ex’s lawyer demanded the recovery order from the judge, because the child had only just reached the age of 12, which in the law is seen as the bare minimum earliest age at which they can choose.
Immediately the judge gave this smart female lawyer a curt response (he almost barked at her, which surprised me), saying that there IS NO AGE at which the law says the children can choose.
That statement blew me right out of the court room. Not even my lawyer was aware of that.
The judge then went on to say, that if the child is resolute, has an age appropriate understanding of the consequences of their actions and has thought their decision through, it makes no different WHAT AGE they are, because they are most likely to get what they want.
And yep, that last paragraph is very close to a quote. Just not 100% word for word.
He did add in there after the age appropriate understanding bit, that my son had this understanding after being questioned by the court expert.
So, my ex’s lawyer was not heard from again after that, except to agree with the new court order and say thank you your honour. She was firmly put back into her box and my ex lost her application and the case.
And this is one of the things that pisses me right off. Even for an orthodox Catholic, I find there are some things that will get me swearing very quickly. And that is the injustices we as fathers face, and worst of all, is the abuse perpetrated on innocent children by their mothers and the system that enables them.
And no, I ain’t no hypocrite. I just tell people I am “Practicing” my faith. And “Practice” makes perfect. It’s just gonna take me the rest of my life to get there, that’s all. LOL
@Shrek “Immediately the judge gave this smart female lawyer a curt response (he almost barked at her, which surprised me), saying that there IS NO AGE at which the law says the children can choose. That statement blew me right out of the court room. Not even my lawyer was aware of that.”
Yep. I sat in on someone else’s hearing and heard a judge say basically the same, and as with you it blew my mind. I had been conned by society!
During that particular hearing a mother who was having her kids removed from her care (due to abuse) to be placed with the father because the kids had requested it. the mother said, ‘but the children are only 9 and 7 yrs old, they are not legally old enough to decide, and….”. To which statement the judge suddenly cut her off with the following retort:
“Shut up!! There is no legal age at which a child’s wishes can’t be heard and implimented. If a child of 6 understands his situation and has a reasonable request i will grant it. Conversely if a teen of 15 has a poor understanding of a situation and makes an unreasonable request, I will decline that request.”
The message to dads going through court is to double check the so-called laws lawyers think they are following…. they might be little more than entrenched social memes the lawyer has conflated with actual law.
I believe that it is my personal responsibility as “one who can see” to actually try to DO something. I have sent the link to this story, with an introductory paragraph explaining that the case is thoroughly vetted and that AVfM will continue to report on the case, to 2 large alternative news sites plus one pro-liberty military site.
I will continue to look for others.
Since I am not (yet) a slave, I am trying to DO something. If in the future I become fully enslaved, I will at that point have lots and lots of time to express my feelings and opinions about this story. But for now I will fight the slave system by DOING something.
It is my duty.
Gotta see what contacts I still have left with the Milblogger crowd.
I have a few. I’ll crosspost it. I live a couple of hours from Harrison County; is there anything else I can do? (I’m out of town at the moment…)
It is so good to be highlighting another travesty for activism. Well done Dr. P. I hope we make a difference.
I agree this case is not unusual, particularly the aspect that the woman/court professionals take the man for all he is worth. I would be retired now, except for the X/courts. Now I will work until my death.
Yes, those kids are going through hell after testifying against her. My kids also testified against their mother. The next time she had them, she grilled/argued with them about everything they said until they were numb. Neither of my kids wanted to testify against her again and I do not blame them. No one wants to deal with an abusive woman.
Absolutely astonishing, it is hard to know which part of this story is most horrific. It appears that Judge Lori B. Jackson may just have taken the lead from Assistant District Attorney Mary Kellett in the race to the bottom of the ethical barrel.
There is just so much evil happening here that is hard to know where to start, it is overwhelming. I keep reading the bullet form summation over and over, gobsmacked at what I see. You could pick any one of those and write an essay on what is wrong. I will just select one for now.
Can anyone imagine a judge telling a woman that she acted just as irrationally by video taping the abusive episode instead of trying to calm down a drunk, raging, violent Borderline MAN.
Like many of these cases you only have to reverse the sexes to see how evil and corrupt the decisions are.
If the sexes were reversed in this case Lt. Col. Kirk would likely be in jail.
To say that a gross injustice is happening here would be the understatement of the year. This Judge should be struck off and face disciplinary action at the very least.
Let us hope that Lt. Col. Kirk and his children can be saved from this state sanctioned corruption, and receive some real justice.
Thanks Dr Tara, we will be watching this closely.
What motivates people like Dr. Baker and Judge Jackson? Is it money? Are they anti-man ideologues? I simply don’t understand it.
Me neither. The one word that kept repeating in my mind as I went through the details of the Col’s case is, Why?
Why? Why? Why?
The judge I had went out of his way to abuse me. The position of judge, like many politicians, selects for a type of person that loves to lord over others – and what better opportunity to “lord”/abuse than men in court. Usually there are no repercussions. They truly get off on it – if they were not judges, these people would be diagnosed with a mental disorder(s). You know this Dr. P, admit it.
First I wanna say hang tough Colonel, people are listening and ready to write for you, to repeat and expose the travesties you and your family have been through.
I am sorry for you and your family’s troubles sir.
How the fuck this jackson woman ever got on the bench is beyond me.
Where the hell did she learn law?
There are so many things immoral and most likely illegal with this story that it blows my mind.
And this shrink does a disservice to all the good therapists out there.
This woman is absolutely bat shit crazy and dangerous. Tries to sell the kids hey no problem, assault on film hey no problem, creative accounting hey no problem.
Giving the children the best chance they have at a decent life, apparently that is a problem for ‘judge’ jackson.
I surely hope you are reading this jackson your days on the bench are numbered.
They are numbered by your own poisonous hand and (il)legal rulings. They are numbered because you have sought to, and engaged in misandric behavior against an honest and moral man.
Your days on the bench are numbered because you ‘judge’ jackson have had your dishonest and illegal actions dragged out into the light of public scrutiny.
‘judge’ jackson you madam deserve to be brought before a court of competent jurisdiction and have a sentence passed upon you for incarceration.
I sincerely hope you are reading this ‘judge’ jackson and are now realizing just how few days you have left lording over the common folk.
Sometime in the near future judge jackson you become the common criminal with a nice picture and serial number attached to said photo.
Apparently, Jackson was a CPA before she was a judge, which makes her error-riddled calculation of marital assets, etc., all the more alarming.
So the depths of ‘judge’ jackson’s depravity go deeper. I’d say unbelievable but then again this is a family court case.
Voters put this demented psycho on the bench. She got elected.
She can be removed through the ballot box, and possibly even by other legal means. That needs to be looked into. Whatever crackerjack box school she shook her law degree out of needs to be embarrassed.
Time to do more investigation on her and others. She appears to have a romantic entanglement with one of the former Mrs. Kirk’s attorneys. That needs to be brought into further scrutiny as well.
Dean, how does that work, do you actually have elections for Family Court Judges?
In the United States, there are state judges and Federal judges. State judges always deal with family law issues, and every state has different family law and every state has different ways of judges getting on the bench.
In some states they’re elected. In some states they’re appointed. In some states it’s a weird mix, like, they’ll be appointed, but then voters can still throw them out (when I was in Illinois, every election every judge was on the ballot, with a yes/no question: “Should this judge be retained?” so if a judge got enough “no” votes they were removed).
Thus I researched it, and in West Virginia, they used to be appointed. Now they are elected. The guy who had Lori Jackson’s seat had been appointed, and when he ran for the first time to be elected to keep it, she beat him. It’s now her bench.
Bottom line: in West Virginia, judges are elected, and they are elected to 8 year terms. However, the legislature can still impeach and remove them.
This is all about West Virginia, and solely West Virginia. The whole thing may be WILDLY different where you live. Every state sets its own rules on these things.
Interesting, thanks Dean for that. All appointments down here in Australia.
Being used to appointed judiciary, I’m curious about how judges get elected too…
You see this guys, this is what you are stepping into when you marry or live with a woman. Not that all women will be like this, but they can be if they want to be, and there is nothing you can do about it, and the police, the courts, and the entire scum infested abuse industry will be there to protect her, and abuse you. Even video evidence doesn’t change that.
Our courts are now engaged in supporting ideology, and the ideology they support is radical feminism. No matter how good of a man you are, no matter how much of a white knight or mangina you are, you are thrown under the bus, and branded an abuser at a women’s say so. It’s all up to the woman how much of a bitch she wants to be.
You guys who are living in countries where the laws are not that bad yet, and the police and courts are not so indoctrinated, and feminazis don’t rule the bench, don’t go thinking you are safe either. This is coming to your country too. You begin your marriage or defacto relationship under the laws that exist today, and they will be rewritten while you sleep, and you will have no rights whatsoever in the years to come.
A man is only part of a family now in the same way a pet dog is part of a family. Actually it’s a bit worse then that, because your not allowed to abuse a pet dog, and nobody would be laughing if someone cut off their pet dogs penis and flushed it down the garbage disposal. I’m betting if anybody done that, they would be going to jail. Yes, we are lower then dogs in the eyes of the law.
You want to test that theory. Just ask your average blue pill woman, or man for that matter, if they heard about the woman who cut off a mans penis while he slept the other night. Chances are you will see a smile come across their face as they seek more information to be amused by. Now try telling them about the dog that was mutilated by it’s owner in a similar way. Chances are there will be no amusement. There is not another creature on this earth who’s suffering results in smiles and laughter from the masses. And that is pretty much the way it is everywhere, except the MRM.
Not to minimize the intensive labors of Dr T (cannot thank you enuff, Doctor), it’s just that Stu here expressed exactly what I’d want to say, and said it with stark elegance. Beware Marriage indeed, O ye young men the world over.
PS Doctor T – what is “Axis” in diagnosing Borderline Personality Disorder? (Read a web article lately that says it should be renamed, as it’s not, as once thot, a pathology “on the border between neurosis and psychosis”, but rather should be named “Emotion Control Disorder”.)
I like the dog penis story analogy.
Im gonna try it.
My god, what a nightmare! This is a story every parent should tell to their young sons, before they ever fall in love. It is a crying shame this is what our society has become but misandry is everywhere and sad to say, Lt. Col. Kirk is not the only victim. Love between the sexes has been poisoned with a sick feminist ideology that has become ingrained in main-stream society and young men need to be made aware of how vicious it can become. They need to be taught to understand what the warning signs of psychos like Ms. Tina are.
Here in my own “backyard” a similar but far less damaging fate befell a close friend who divorced his alcoholic wife who was having affair after affair in her drunken stupor. She would drive drunk much of the time. He would have been liable for damages if she ever had an accident. As part of the divorce settlement, she got a $510,000 house and 5 years of alimony at $1600 monthly out of him. That’s what it cost him to get rid of her. Fortunately for him they had no children.
Having come from a small rural background I am in complete empathy with Lt. Col. Kirk. In rural America, a handshake is a man’s word and most people honor it. People like Tina usually don’t last long in stable rural environments. It doesn’t take long for a cohesive community to figure out what’s going on with these sickos yet that is just the problem; how can a man in love who has never seen such abuse see it coming let alone understand it ?
Truly disgusting.
Why is it that Law Schools will spend years teaching the letter of the law, and yet utterly fail time and again to teach morality? Or integrity? Or even basic human decency? To the people whose profession it is to conserve it in our society?
When there are criminals with more empathy, compassion and honour than the judges, maybe its time they switch places.
That’s an interesting question. It has been the tradition of American courts to care more about procedure than about right and wrong. In European countries, I hear, it’s the other way around. William J. Stuntz, a professor at Harvard Law School, wrote a book that talks about this called “The Collapse of American Criminal Justice,” which is on my to-be-read-someday list.
A little light reading for those so inclined:
Code of Judicial Conduct
http://www.courtswv.gov/legal-community/court-rules/judicial-conduct/judicial-conduct.html
” Intrinsic to all sections of this Code are the precepts that judges, individually and collectively, must respect and honor the judicial office as a public trust and strive to enhance and maintain confidence in our legal system. The judge is an arbiter of facts and law for the resolution of disputes and a highly visible symbol of government under the rule of law.”
CANON 1
A judge shall uphold the integrity and independence of the judiciary.
Looks like you have blackened the eye of the judiciary both in terms of integrity and independence ‘judge’ jackson. More on that by going through the code of conduct for you lori
“CANON 2
A judge shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the judge’s activities.
A. A judge shall respect and comply with the law*, shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the judge’s activities, and shall act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary.(“Law” denotes court rules as well as statutes, constitutional provisions, and decisional law. See Sections 2A, 3A, 3B(2), 3B(7), 3C(5), 4B, 4C, 4D(5), 4F, 4I, 5A(2), 5B(3), 5C, 5D, and 6B.”
How is it that suppressing evidence of a domestic violence crime on video tape, and disregarding witness testimony promote confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary ms jackson?.
“B. A judge shall not allow family, social, political, or other relationships to influence the judge’s judicial conduct or judgment….. “
Ms Jackson are you a feminist and if so how did your being a member of an organization of hate influence your decision to suppress video tape evidence as well as via voice evidence?
“CANON 3.
A judge shall perform the duties of judicial office impartially and diligently.
B. Adjudicative responsibilities.
(2) A judge shall be faithful to the law * and maintain professional competence in it. A judge shall not be swayed by partisan interests, public clamor, or fear of criticism.
Ms jackson, given that the law is to apply equally to all how is permitting evidence of false calculations to be sued as evidence being faithful to the law? How is ignoring compelling evidence of abuse as well adhering to the law. Ms jackson have you as well maintained your professional competence in the law? Ms. jackson were you swayed by partisan ideologues such as feminism in your decision?
“(5) A judge shall perform judicial duties without bias or prejudice. A judge shall not, in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct manifest bias or prejudice, including but not limited to bias or prejudice based upon race, sex, religion, national origin, disability, age, sexual orientation, or socioeconomic status, and shall not permit staff, court officials and others subject to the judge’s direction and control to do so.
You were acting in a biased manner ms jackson when you suppressed video taped evidence, and ignored the testimony of the children and ignored the false calculations of marital assets.
You’re either incredibly dumb ms jackson or incredibly corrupt.
I am betting its more of the latter than the former.
There’s some of the laws folks for those starting to write letters.
“How is it that suppressing evidence of a domestic violence crime on video tape, and disregarding witness testimony promote confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary”
That’s for sure! We’d have to empty every prison if photographic evidence and eyewitness testimony are no good anymore.
We need to organize some kind of petition, or email campaign or for anyone local complaints to the relevant departments etc. Give him some support!
It’s on the way. Hang tight. We first need to acquaint readers with Lt. Col. Kirk and his story.
Best I could do in what little time I have.
Judge Lori B. Jackson
Harrison County Courthouse
306 Washington Avenue
Clarksburg, WV 26301
304-627-2100
Fax: 304-627-2149
Sorry I couldnt find an email address. There is a phone and fax though
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Great job Dr. Palmatier. Those poor kids and how much of a hell their lives must be every day. I am sure we are all ready to take action once again to fight for justice. I guess those that call us a hate group will hate us even more now- for bringing attention to a violent abusive woman (you know, the ones that don’t exist) and man-hating judge.
I cannot say this loudly or clearly enough.
Fuck “Judge” Jackson”.
Release the video on every goddamned video service that can be found. Let her deal with the fall out.
Unless this guy has a hope of getting a different judge it is his best bet. and every MRA within walking, driving or flying distance with the ability to get boots on the ground (and asses in the air for the femistasi to kiss) must support that ove by getting the links out there to the elected officials and the voter of the area in an in your face way that cannot be ignored.
Just as military men must refuse illegal and immoral orders citizens must refuse to comply with illegal and immoral laws.
Were that video in my possession it would be on youtube, youku, vimeo, and every other site I could think of. These evil people must not be allowed to operate in the dark.
We stand on the precipice of ruin, we cannot allow it to come to the point where men realise that murder+time served < time in court dealing with abusive women. It seems to be the goal of "feminists for equality" to disadvantage men to such a degree and, then they can point to men the back into a corner that realise that 7 years in prison is easier that 20 years of parental alienation.
This is the garbage we MUST stop. Before we have homes destroyed with the violence that feminism demands as its' dowry. Men MUST have sane, timely legal recourse to have their cases dealt with fairly or we risk destroying society and reverting to anarchy.
I have serious trouble wrapping my brain around these examples of jurisprudence in the USA. How are these berobed morons allowed to get away with this? And why? And what for? To what end? I thought that there were “checks and balances”. What are they talking about when they say “checks and balances”? Maybe they mean checkbooks and financial balances… as in, follow the money. It makes sense, with the proliferation of MBAs over the past 30 years prioritizing financial performance indicators and monetary incentives.
All this must make sense at some level. There must be a reason. I wonder if the system has become so corrupt that to discipline any one of these goons would be to discipline the entire system, hence the entire system is rallying to protect their own. “All for one and one for all” becomes essential when the entire system is a disgrace, because as soon as one domino falls, the entire house of cards is destined to fall. Not only those in the judiciary but also those managing and administering them. Yes, I think that might be it… the entire system is now so beyond redemption that all they can do is hide, conceal and deny, otherwise the whole charade comes tumbling down. Those who inhabit the innner sanctum, those who are “in the know” know what is expected of them. They know that they can’t let the side down.
I think I might be coming around to answering my own question. What we seem to be witnessing are the symptoms of a system breaking down. The majority of them are corrupt and/or incompetent and if they’re not outright criminals, then they are at least complicit. And, afraid that they might be called to account, they’re covering their asses by virtue of facilitating the criminals.
Think about it. In the past 50 years, misandry has become fashionable, and thus allowed to influence jurisprudence the world over. But misandry is hatred, and since when in Anglosphere or European history has hatred been allowed to inform jurisprudence? As soon as you incorporate hatred into your system of law, you’re chucked, as they say. And the symbol of Lady Justice, with balance scales in one hand balancing truth and fairness, becomes a joke.
All this must make sense at some level. There must be a reason. I wonder if the system has become so corrupt that to discipline any one of these goons would be to discipline the entire system, hence the entire system is rallying to protect their own.
– Codebuster, I’ve had the fortune to be only the observer of many questionable court outcomes enacted upon many fathers. Outcomes where the entire process defies sense.
Of the wisdom gained from the men who participated greatly in their own case or represented themselves one particular nugget was gleaned from them all. It went something like: (my wording) Excepting the clientelle and captive audiences all other main representatives are ‘officers of the court’. That officers representing the clientelle will not challenge the gavel holder for fear of career ending retribution from same. Or go after the system and prosecuting reps enabling the family carnage for similar fear.
Sound right?
It appears as though defense attorneys act as mediating the least possible damage upon their clients. (Not a cheap shot at lawyers, I’ll add). Then there are those whose presence amounts to nearly or seemingly nothing.
In all, I like your above expressed sentiments. I understand the cause for pseudonym.
The Colonel had had so many warning signals and still made the next move toward devastation. This is sad.
Well, that was a decade and a half ago, though, so might be somewhat understandable. But there still are people like that even now. This is sad.
However, technologies like video cameras that can reveal the truth are still helpful in case the things turn bad for them. But now the courts are so biased they even make the use of those technologies to be abusive to the abuser! This is sad.
But we do have an ever growing group of a few good people on the side of justice – AVfM, S.A.V.E., NCFM, to name a few – that looks into these ridiculous cases of injustice and tries to inform the world and revert those cases. This is good.
Sadly there seem to be two groups of people who run the risk of getting hooked up with crazee, either those who have come from families where there is this kind of behavior as “normal”, or those who come from sheltered families so there is limited understanding of the danger of crazees.
My own experience was as one of the latter, and I genuinely believed I could “love” my ex better.
Red flags are only obvious with 20:20 hindsight in many cases. I believe we need to be willing to discuss this with young men (and women) to help them be vaccinated against the whole Hollywood “love” industry
That’s insightful. You’ve helped me realize that I am likely to be the latter as well. I’m from a rural, sheltered upbringing in a relatively happy family. I used to believe that people were all really good at their core. Shows what I knew…
At least in the latter case, there should logically be the ability to fall in love with a non-crazy, without the danger of eternally repeating the cycle of crazy… logically…
My SO comes from the former, I come from the later.
His getting to see my extended family has helped him realise the extent of crazee in his family. Yes, my family can be pretty impossible, but there is trust , respect and love there. Even when some of us can’t see eye to eye on a matter we work things out.
Even someone from deep crazee family can learn to be in a healthy relationship, but first needs to learn they are valuable and that a good relationship is possible. SO gets therapy and is part of a group as well working on this stuff. I have to be prepared to name “fleas” when they happen, and I help him build resiliency by helping him problem solve, rather than imposing my solution
Agreed. Here the case is one of after-the-fact. At least a betrayed woman can appeal to a favorable court system (a good thing). In case of the man, all the decks are stacked against him and the corrupt justice system survives on the pork bloat resulting from the man’s destruction.
I was lucky. No kids, he had found a more pliable victim. I probably got screwed out of about £10,000 martrimonial property, but that feels like a cheap price when I hear via old contacts what I’m NOT stuck with dealing with.
I have to agree with Tallwheel on his praise of your insight, Aimee McGee.
I come from the other side of the fence i.e. a home with a highly abusive single mother, and I used to believe that if just found a girl who were nothing like my mother, I would at least avoid the more obvious traps.
Needless to say that didn’t quite work out, and I actually succeeded in ending up in three different relationships in a row, which all turned out to be catastrophic in every way possible.
But as Stu points out, I also happen to think that there is no way to completely avoid this from happening, because it most of all depends on the woman, and the way she chooses to behave in high conflict situations.
When the sort of behavior we have witnessed time and again from women like Tina Taylor Kirk are allowed, without them being held accountable for it, or even, as in the former mrs.Kirk’s example, rewarded for it, this is the way most women will choose to behave when it fits into their agenda.
The women who won’t do it are extremely rare, and usually have a highly moral and unquestionable integrity and character, and I just wish there were a lot more of them.
The fact that the ones who doesn’t can fit this in with ‘victimhood’ and ‘oppression’ furthers the radical notion that women are just fucking crazy, and not much else. Too bad, because the ones who are not suffers from this, and in many ways it works in the same way that false rape accusations do. Noone really believes the true victim, because you see it so often from the women who are certainly not victims of anything else but their own dysfunctional and abusive behavior, and its consequences.
It also doesn’t help much that so many women are more than willing to let this kind of behavior slide, and excuses the abuser with her ‘having issues’, or ‘he must have done something to make her behave that way’.
One of my biggest regrets from the blue pill days was not realising my SO was exhibiting all the signs I know to associate with an abused partner, but I presumed his now ex had PND and had reason to be unable to be supportive of him. This was post my own escape from crazee town, so I should have known better.
He’s since forgiven me many times over, and I’ve had my own therapy on my relationship, but it still troubles me sometimes.
Most women in my experience never are taught the kind of moral reasoning skills that are needed to keep their ego in balance.
I agree. Though I have to add another category:
Those men whose parents groomed them to be “gentlemen”, conditioning them to always respect the ladies, to be patient with them and to jump through hoops to please them.
Lensman, I agree, but kind of count this in crazee camp, because it feels like a kind of abuse to raise any child to believe that being ‘nice at all costs is a good thing’
That’s very, very true. In my case I was certainly very naive, and to be honest I ignored the warning signs because I thought they were surmountable if I loved her more and because I was grateful to meet someone who wanted me.
And the fact is that a lot of women – perhaps 50% maybe? – expect a man to be a provider & protector, so that she can be a princess. She also expects to be able to mock and ridicule his efforts if they fail to meet her standards, to be able to kick him to the curb if the failure is consistent, while expending little to no energy on supporting him.
And of course, NAWALT. But honestly, it’s fucking hard to tell the difference. The best advice I’ve got for young men, and women, is to look for signs of narcississm – Dr T’s no doubt got her own views on that too.
For instance, I recall early in my relationship, my ex telling me about her father’s breakdown when she was a child. She told me how it scared her, how it made her feel, how shaken she was etc. Even at the time I wondered; “Yeah, and what about him? Can’t have been all that pleasant for him, no?” Feminism encourages narcississm, so feminists generally can only interpret others – especially mens – pain, achievements, failures, successes etc. in terms of how it affects THEM.
This is why they can’t sustain lasting relationships – human empathy is quite a delicate thing, you need to work on it constantly. If you don’t have it, you simply can’t sustain an intimate relationship with anyone. Feminism creates people who are basically serial monogamists (aka: ‘parasites’), moving from one partner (aka ‘host’) to the next.
“Feminism creates people who are basically serial monogamists, moving from one partner to the next.”
Don’t be so nice about it.
Feminism creates parasites that destroys the host, before moving on to the next host to suck dry.
Good point, i’ve corrected that.
“Feminism encourages narcississm, so feminists generally can only interpret others – especially mens – pain, achievements, failures, successes etc. in terms of how it affects THEM.”
This is really key. I would modify it, though, to cover all narcissistic women in general, not just those who identify as feminists, though feminism certainly does plenty to encourage it.
“”Yeah, and what about him? Can’t have been all that pleasant for him, no?””
Yes. If you still want to give her another chance after the victim story, ask her how she thinks the tyrant (man) in the story felt, and what she thinks his motivations were. If she’s unable to see beyond the simplistic monster/victim narrative, then you will have a pretty good idea how far her empathy extends.
I used this sort of thinking in dealing with my most recent (short-lived) relationship. I entertained the notion, briefly, that I had just been reading too many MRM sites, and maybe she wasn’t as narcissistic as I thought. The more I listened to her, though, the more I had to conclude that my initial assessment was correct. Have a relationship with this sort of person, and you’re just going to become the tyrant in the next story she will add to her arsenal to tell the next guy.
In some ways you are lucky to have gotten out early, I had a similar shitty relationship but was in denial for close to 2 years. I also at least didn’t get hit with “oops pregnant” or “he raped/beat me” false accusations though those would have eventually come. My ex was incredibly narcissistic, her only concern was how things affected HER and how they inconvenienced HER, I’m sick and can barely move? Too bad, she needs a chauffeur to drive her around to shop. I am far better off without her
@MarkofWisdom
It was after I’d taken the red pill, so I have the MRM to thank for allowing me to recognize the warning signs early on. In earlier chapters of my life, I’d stuck around in similar situations until things got much much worse. The MRM is really needed to help young men avoid these pitfalls that so many of us have fallen into. The current culture has literally set men up to fall into them.
I hadn’t heard of the MRM at that point in my life but was probably something like a purple piller that knew women weren’t angels but that didn’t know the full depth of the complete and utter disregard for the lives of men in society. When I was young I actually made the conscious decision to not get involved in relationships while in school till at least college or maybe senior year-and I stuck with it. People looked at me funny whenever I told them that(after they asked if I was dating anyone). I got suckered into a relationship in my senior year of high school with a girl who it turns out was nuts and narcissistic. After a 2 year hell and finally breaking it off later, it helped solidify my plans to pretty much never be in a dating relationship again.
There is a very good book I read quite a few years back, that should be mandatory reading for all men, particularly young men.
The book is called “Venus: The Dark Side”
by Roy Sheppard and Mary T Cleary.
My own suggestion when people are dating is three fold, 1) if the prospective partner is rude to waiting and shop staff, this is a BAD sign.
2) if a prospective partner ignores a clear request to desist in an unacceptable behavior (making the odd lapse if fine but persistent flouting is not), it’s a real bad sign
3) sex for many of us is a drug which forces pair bonding when the pair might not be that good an idea. Delay intercourse for as long as you possibly can, and watch if the date respects this or keeps love bombing. There is a lot of fun to be had clothed and it is a far easier relationship to get out of if you haven’t shared body fluids.
I read this earlier shortly after it was posted and I was so drained from crying after reading it I could not even type. Im still at a massive loss for words so I’ll just say to you Col. Kirk…that we love you and hang in there. I am so sorry this happened to you.
Security Expert, Gavin Becker has a great book called “The Gift of Fear.” It basically says, “When that little voice inside you says, ‘There’s something not quite right with some person,’ listen to it.”
The book also mentions that there are certain types of people who get to know you, engage you, invariably in argumentation. You find yourself on the defense, trying to fix things, etc., but don’t try. Instead, run like hell and get away from the “crazy” person. Sometimes that’s easier said than done. Have nothing to do with them even though they will likely stalk you, blame you, etc.
Unfortunately, I found the book after I found the “crazy” person. :-/
Interestingly, now that I’ve read the book, I notice there’s no shortage of “crazy” people in this world. It’s nice to try to be nice to people, but being nice to a “crazies” (in the long run) is not being nice to yourself, IMO.
That’s a good book.
Mere words cannot express how I feel about this right now….
….Requesting permission to swear like a sailor.
And after the swearing has been done — Requesting permission to make concrete efforts to spread the story and get others interested in a long-term effort to make the breakthrough to forcing the public to pay attention.
I have read the report and still find it unbelievable and think most people will. That’s why we need to educate the public that this does happen and that changes need to be made.
Agree. That is why I am sending emails to the press, selected press that may find this story germane to their viewpoint. Please share your ideas on what direct actions you are taking so that I and others can imitate those approaches we haven’t worked on yet.
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I agree with the downvotes, but you’re probably all too right, unfortunately. We, as a society, have been telling beautiful women that all they need to add to a relationship is to look beautiful, and to ‘give’ a man sex. This is also, unfortunately, one of the main criteria most men look at when choosing a partner. (hard to fight biology) The MRM is one of the groups out there that seeks to counter this natural instinct, and to educate men how to deal with it. Beautiful women who are ‘good in the sack’ are fine, but they also tend to be the most adept at manipulation, and I believe this conditions and shapes their personalities. Cheers to beautiful women out there who are also decent human beings. I like to believe they exist.
I’m going to raise a question that might get me a harsh reply, but here goes:
- what do you mean by good in bed?
I don’t sleep with other women(!), but to hear the neurotic chatter about their fat thighs etc in the gym changing room I wonder how they can have the body confidence to really enjoy themselves.
There are lots of memes about what is “good on bed” which are purveyed by all forms of media from romance novels to Hollywood epics to porn. So much of it seems to me to be about the act of intercourse, rather than about the love making that happens when you’ve got two people who deeply care and who trust each other in a supremely vulnerable act.
Unless we talk about this then our boys will grow up thinking good in bed is the physical not the rest of the package.
Only a troll would give you a harsh reply to vaild question, Ms McGee.
Straight men often seek my advice about sex. Sadly, I have come to realize that many fear discussing such things with their straight mates for fear of ridicule. So they have to turn to me, someone who wouldn’t know a g-spot if it led a 76 trombone parade down main street with fireworks strapped to its arse.
But I do know a good deal about men and their often basic approach to sex. Gays and straights are the same in this regard. For the unimaginative, it will always be about getting your end in – that’s the touchdown moment we are programmed to aim for. Some people don’t want more than this. The female equivalent is the lie-back-and-think-of-England type. The unimaginative man’s perfect match.
However, those who want to be good at it, need to actually like sex, and so does their partner. Then you will feel encouraged to be alert to your partner’s idiosynchrosies, and have the confidence to communicate yours. That requires trust and respect which is why good sex is so rare that they actually write books about when it happens.
The key is to know what you want from sex and have a partner who is on board. One thing is certain, I would avoid telling men what sex is supposed to be. Human sexuality is far too diverse for that. Best to focus on keeping them safe and protected.
Andybob, I have a gay make friend who will totally enjoy the 76 trombones comment. I might have to provide him with a plastic cover for his keyboard first…coffee snort protection. Thank goodness my iPhone cleans easily.
It doesn’t surprise me you get questions about sex. I’d not thought about the ‘spectrum’ part of the equation, yeah, I can get that it is strokes for folks – pun intended
I’m 110% behind the ‘safe & protected’, seen too much of the consequences…and the only other parameter i need from a human being is ‘legally adult’ it’s all good.
Ladies and gents, we need to shout about this one from the roof tops.
While there is a veritable mountain of abuse and injustice going on here, there is one thing that keeps standing out and sticking in my craw. He’s being punished for FINALLY having the presence of mind to video this raging maniac?!! The judge not only has a complete brain fart about the past false allegations but completely ignores the fact that this video tape is what kept him from being arrested and thrown in jail that night. Un-fucking-beleivable.
This Kirk case is enough to set the wheels of inquiry in motion. Inquiry into this case itself and the goings-on of the judiciaries and bureaucracies enabling this tragedy. Telling it would prove to be.
Many other, far too many, although less extreme, examples of managed familial breakdown obviously need the same scrutiny. There need not be extraneous expenses involved with these matters.
Strike at the root source. The paper trails are all there. Removals to follow. Removal of ‘gender’ based decision makers. The deeper root rot more difficult,
but possible. The greater social will to do so is on its way. When it’s safer to enact these changes those with silent integrity will step forward.
As one who recognizes and appreciates the labour involved, great work DR. T.
People say MRAs are “too angry” and “scary”-if any person can read a story like this-and it is far from the only story like it-and not be absolutely pissed off at the injustice and insanity of it they are absolutely apathetic to the suffering of others and quite possibly sociopathic. This story is…..I wish there to be severe legal consequences for that judge and lawyers that are so freely breaking and mocking the law. The ex needs to be arrested and the children again removed from her custody
Well if it wasn’t for testosterone we would all be sitting in the dirt with dust in our twatts
-Yeah, looking at design plans for stiletto heels, sketched in the sand.
These are supposed to be impartial judges working “in the best interests of the children”? This foul bitch is not fit to judge a flower arranging competition.Well done for exposing another corrupt and vile scumbag who should never be allowed to practice again.
The judge is blatantly bigoted feminist troll, seems to be a troll here as well.
Just to say hello to you all, and keep up the good work. You are doing an amazing job of exposing the misandry, lies and double-standards which men are having to face. If this is supposed to be “male priviledge”, the feminists can take mine and shove it right where the sun doesn’t shine.
Get in line.
There’s a lot of ‘male priviledges’ up for grabs these days.
We’re all trying to get rid of them, to anyone stupid enough to want them.
Kimski old boy, you don’t know how good we have it. Dying or being terribly injured from wars, high risk public and private jobs, shorter life expectancy, homelessness, financial ruin and jail time in the courts due to divorce and false accusations, a PC pop culture image in the media as being jerks and idiots compared to “superior” women….good god man, why would you want to get rid of those (snark)?
Theseus, my friend, I find them terribly oppressive, and although my momma always told me, “life is like a box of chocolates”, she completely forgot to mention, that all of them would be laced with things that either left me destituted, heartbroken, or would shorten my life considerably.
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I can’t put blame on the victims never ever, it is saying altruism is at fault and narcissism is justified, this is how issues are confused, and narcissism is forwarded to the next victims.
I have spoken with Lt. Col. Kirk. After doing so I can tell you I fully believe there is not a day that goes by that he does not look back on the naive nature of some of his decisions, and wishes he could reverse them.
I have a few of those in my life, though, as does most any man I know, so I did not take the opportunity while he was vulnerable and clamoring to save his children, to pour salt on the wound by harping on the pathetically obvious.
It strikes me as particularly callous that, in the aftermath of what you just read, you think hanging him on those decisions is currently appropriate and warranted.
This site is dedicated to helping men like Lt. Col. Kirk, and their children in what they are facing here and now, not in playing armchair quarterback on decisions that any man you know, including you, could have made, and likely has or he would not be here.
I find your priorities and sense of timing with this condescending lecture to be extremely poor form.
That is the last comment of this nature that I will tolerate.
Off topic. Paul, are you able to ask the webmaster if he can do something about the ‘edit’ option please.
Thanks!
Sure. What is wrong with it? Mine has been working for me.
It doesn’t exist after I submit a post. I wonder if there is something wrong with my browser?
I shut all my AVfM pages down then opened this one up again. Low and behold the edit function is back again.
False alarm!
Yeah, and like you haven’t made any stupid mistakes because you were head over heals. Give this guy a break. Every last one of us on this site and any other bloody site, will have somethings we have done in our past that we would rather forget. And that includes you!
The fact is, he is stuck now, has been abused by a criminal in a wig, and there is this one little cared about fact that there are some innocent children suffering here also who need help. Have you forgotten about them?
In the face of these innocent children, how the bloody hell can you even make those comments?
I say here here. Lt. Col. Kirk’s only “crime” in this, is that he was a good and trusting man that believed in the decency of his fellow human beings. We all have lessons to learn in life but should any decent person have to pay this kind of a price? I am so sorry that Lt. Col. Kirk’s trust was betrayed and his children’s innocence ripped from them in such a manner by this foul creature.
Me,
You never made a mistake in your life?
Lt Col. came from a wholesome background where you could trust people.
I did as well, I can remember sleeping at night with only a screen door between me and the outside world.
That was before feminsim took its ugly hold on society.
I am talking about late 1970 suburb Canada even into the early 80′s. And Hamilton Ont. has a rich history filled with bootleggers and mob’ed up institutions operating in society.
Tell us Me have you never made a mistake in your life?
Are you serious?
He makes a poor judgement of character, he makes a mistake, so now he and his children deserve to be crucified by a corrupt Family Law system?
Have you ever made a mistake?
I’m reminded of that old saying, “Everyone has 20-20 hind site.” I’d be the last person to point out to anyone that they should NOT have fallen under the wiles of a slick, con artist – especially in affairs of the heart.
Tell me again, what it is that kind, loving people are guilty of. Are they guilty of loving too much?
There are smart people and there are deceptive/manipulative people (as well as many other kinds of people). Often, slick, manipulative/deceptive people are on the lookout for kind, good-hearted people to exploit.
In the smart vs. deceptive/manipulative category, smart certainly has no advantage that guarantees happiness, when the heart has the ultimate power to determine fate, in my opinion, or should I say, “In my experience.”
I will not be so cruel as to criticize anyone who has followed the good intentions of their heart, sometimes over-ridding doubts in their minds. Their heart was in the right place. It’s just too bad we don’t have more people like that in this dog eat dog world, IMO.
Men have literally been taught that all women are good at their core. If she has problems all you have to do is love her enough and she will mend her ways and love you in return. MRA’s are some of the very few people out there to counter that message, and the MRM is so small that most never find it until the damage has already been done. Lt. Col. Kirk was just trying to be a ‘good man’, the way almost all of us have during some previous chapter of our lives, and unless the MRM message ever becomes more mainstream, I can’t really blame men just for doing everything society has taught them is right and good.
Damn, sorry about the down vote! Damn small iPhone screens!
Yes, there does need to be personal responsibility.
Kirk does need to do some soul searching about his choice of partner. I think that comes under the category of “mistake”.
Tina needs to be responsible for the false accusations, the drunkenness, the cruelty to her husband and her children. These should come under the category of “crimes”.
The judge needs to be responsible for the incredible bias shown in her judgements made thus far. This should come under the category of malfeasance, a “crime”.
Dr Baker needs to be responsible for the bias shown in his reports to the courts. An expert is supposed to examine the facts and come up with recommendations, not find a solution that will please a biased court and justify it with cherry picked facts. This also should come under the category of malfeasance, again a “crime”.
I agree that the indicators were that it wouldn’t “end too well”, but that doesn’t mean that he should lose his kids. I think he was punished enough by being in the relationship.
And whatever you might think Kirk did wrong, nothing justifies the kids being left in the care of this nutcase Tina.
Me, read my other posts on what makes people vulnerable to these kind of abusers. So much of the socialised meme of ‘love’ is about fixing your partner, and that’s just plain not going to work!
My heart goes out to this man and his children.
I have been in a similar situation with my own children in the courts of Australia. Unlike the US, naming names in Australia, regardless of how correct you might be, is against the law.
This, of course dissuades people from taking the kind of action that AVfM is doing for this man. This makes your excellent work even more necessary.
Hopefully, if you can get some successes over there it can translate to precedents that might eventually see some successes here.
@ Quolls
A notice to you. First, please understand that I have a lot of empathy for your struggle. I really wish you were not in such a situation, and I hope your connection to others who empathize on this site is in some way helpful to you.
That being said, no advocacy for violence will be tolerated on this site. Not even in passing, and not even as a joke.
We are working very hard here to make a difference for men in your situation. And for their sons down the road. We get flak at every turn.
So far they have to make up lies about us to go on the offensive. The moment you start talking violence, they don’t have to make anything up. You have handed it to them on a platter.
Two words. Just don’t.
One more word. Ever.
@ Quolls,
If you are not already on a Shrink4men forum I invite you to come over, to read and if you feel the need share.
We also have a strict non-violence code but we also have space to help guys work through the rage. No one should be treated like this in the family court, but as Paul puts it, reacting with violence merely confirms their lies
Non-action on the part of the government can also be characterized as a form of political violence.
@ Paul Reality check, “That being said, no advocacy for violence will be tolerated on this site. “ It is your site and your rule that being said…
Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual [3 ]
A threat is an act of coercion wherein an act is proposed to elicit a negative response. It is a communicated intent to inflict harm. [5]
Intention is defined in R. v Mohan as “the decision to bring about a prohibited consequence”. [6]
.. sorry … not guilty.
unfortunately.
In the 1832 treatise On War, Prussian military general and theoretician Carl von Clausewitz defined war as follows: “War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will.[2]
The term “enemy” serves the social function of designating a particular entity as a threat, thereby invoking an intense emotional response to that entity. [2]
A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same nation state or republic. [4]
Dear Paul an absence of war (and other violence) is usually called peace [2] I fully, fully appreciate your position all I want is peace as I hope most but not all do as we see in our courts.
Ongoing for decades, political communities, and therefore is defined as a form of political violence, not of my doing.
Political violence can take a number of forms including but not limited Non-action on the part of the government can also be characterized as a form of political violence. [7]
Human rights violations occur when actions by state (or non-state) actors abuse, ignore, or deny basic human rights (including civil, political, cultural, social, and economic rights). [7]
Furthermore, violations of human rights can occur when any state or non-state actor breaches any part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights treaty or other international human rights or humanitarian law. [7]
Wars of aggression, war crimes and crimes against humanity, including genocide. [7]
Here in this post and my own experience and my son’s many others we are confronted with extreme aggression, social disruption, and high mortality.
Undeclared
A civil war is a high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale. [4]
Certainty we are experiencing a civil war resulting in large numbers of casualties, mortalities notably and including children and the consumption of significant resources.
In 2003, Nobel Laureate Richard E. Smalley identified war as the sixth (of ten) biggest problems facing the society of mankind for the next fifty years. [2]
That said we are standing on a rock in space we are at times forced to defend our selves at time at all cost.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat
[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intent_(law)
[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence
Ps. to lazy to use a law dictionary.
I appreciate your spirited defense. If you ever make reference to shooting a judge again. I will ban you.
Thank you Paul.
I do not want to be associated with someone making death threats against judges. That’s just the kind of thing feminists love to scoop upon and use as ‘evidence’ that the Men’s Rights Movement is inherently violent.
Hell, they often level that kind of inane false accusation as it is.
Quolls,
Stop being a fuckwit and pull your head in mate.
There are other ways of bringing judges to justice without rash threats which hurt your brothers and sisters.
The last time I was asked to serve on jury duty, I made sure I took my check book, fully anticipating I would be thrown in jail for contempt of court by the tyrannical, gender feminized judge.
When I was sworn in to the jury duty panel, along with the other 29 people I answered, “yes.” When asked if I would serve. The other 29 people (sheeple) sat down so quickly, that I was the only one standing. I then added the words, “under duress.” In other words, I did not and will not serve such a corrupt, vile, gender feminized system like we have today of my own free will.
The judge glowered at me and said, “We’ll get to you later during voir dire. I said nothing.
Later during voir dire, when the judge asked me if I would follow the judges instructions on the law, I answered, “No,” then added, “The Constitution says ‘We the people,’ not, ‘We the judges,’ and as a jury nullificationist I will sit in judgment on the law as well as the facts in evidence in this case.” I had previously told the judge that it was NOT my duty to serve on jury duty and thereby passively serve a vile, corrupt, gender feminized tyranny of a legal system like we have today. Rather, I told the judge, as the Declaration of the U. S. says, it is my “right” and my “duty” to peacefully and legally oppose such a system.
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
After the judge conferred with one of the attorneys about some Supreme Court decision on jury nullification, blah, blah, blah, I was dismissed from jury duty, but I suspect the rest of the jurors (sheeple) got a lesson in citizen rights and civic responsibility that day.
What would happen to our corrupt, gender feminized, legal systems if everyone knew their legal rights and simply refused as free men to serve the present gender feminized tyranny.
In large part, I think that is what many at AVfM are doing in the particular ways they see as most effective.
Peace and wisdom, brothers and sisters, NOT violence is the answer to all the violence gender feminists have perpetrated against us through VAWA and other horribly misandrist, Stalinist, unConstitutional actions, IMO.
Appeals
As I point out previously precisely inquivacly is a false allegation.
I made no threat, please point to the text if I am wrong.
@ Skeptic
“Stop being a fuckwit (1) and pull your head in mate (2)”
1, Abuse is the improper usage or treatment for a bad purpose, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. Abuse can come in many forms, such as: physical or verbal maltreatment, injury, sexual assault, violation, rape, unjust practices; wrongful practice or custom; offense; crime, or otherwise verbal aggression.[1]
Torture is the act of inflicting severe pain (whether physical or psychological) as a means of punishment, revenge, forcing information or confession, or simply as an act of cruelty.[1]
Counter-insurgency, another form of political violence, describes a spectrum of actions taken by the recognized government of a nation to contain or quell an insurgency taken up against it.[1]
(2) duplicity Intentional deceptiveness; double-dealing.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse
Thank you Ray for sharing this wisdom, I wonder if there is an Australian version?
Όταν πίνουμε κροκόδειλοι περιμένουν να γιορτή
I am not even surprised by any of this. And, it’s that time of year again — Clothesline Project 2012 began today. I noticed the T posts in the ground today, presumably hammered into the ground with sledge hammers by men while I was in class.
We are to learn about how bad men routinely abuse helpless women in every way imaginable next week. Shirts to raise awareness about men like the Lt. Col would be seen as misogyny. Even the abuse of boys is ignored. Shirts say things like “She Was Only Five!” But you will not find a single one that implies a boy victim of a mother’s abuse.
Last year, I distributed business cards with AVfM logos on them that I made myself. To this day — exactly one year later — I get glares from female passersby on the sidewalks.
The man-bad, woman-good paradigm would be harder to deconstruct than religion. Atheist groups are not bothered on campus, even here in the middle of the Bible Belt, for their non-traditional views on a hot button topic such as religion. Apparently, the religion of Feminism is an even bigger hot button issue. These pro-feminist, blue pill atheists on campus think THEY get glares??? Try being an MRA. Even the atheists glare at you when you are an MRA, lol. You are an outcast even among other outcasts.
What if a man precisely in Lt. Col Kirk’s position took a maintenance job here at MSU to help pay (on court orders) the $40,000 in credit card debt that his wife incurred out of pure spite during her affairs? Now suppose that man, who could tolerate cutting grass without a complaint, was, to his surprise, required to be out there in the heat hammering T posts into the ground with a sledge hammer for the women-only Clothesline Project. That said, I support freedom of speech, even for campus feminists, but they should at least be required to put up their own fucking signs rather than forcing men who have likely had experiences similar to Colonel Kirk to do it. Oh, and I don’t believe I am engaging in unfair juxtaposure or conflation or any wildly misguided speculation here. I would be willing to almost bet that at least one of our maintenance men here has had almost this exact experience.
It is such a contrast to see an article like this one and then immediately look out the window and see the Drill Field. This infuriates me to no end.
Also, one more quick thing — officers are not enlisted men; they are commissioned men. This article uses the expression “other enlisted men” but shouldn’t it read “other commissioned men” if the word “other” is to be used in conjuction with Colonel Kirk? Or, if it is not known if the other military men were officers or not, perhaps it should read, “other servicemen”? Just a suggestion.
This case is absolutely disgusting, as usual another father and soldier being treated like shit by the very government he protects, not to mention that his children are being forced to live with an abusive women, I feel sick thinking about it, my deepest sympathies go to the father and the children, stay strong, there are people who care about you.
Also, here is a video of how our courts treat fathers and soldiers, I suggest you watch this, if you haven’t already.
Purple Heart’s Final Beat – A Soldier Suicide Story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_StCzStBy0&feature=watch_response_rev
We need to change things for the better, this kind of stuff is disgusting and disgraceful, how long can a society last like this?
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I agree with you 100% about the murder of tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children, in these countries that have been attacked by the US and its allies. Because the only war on terror, is the terror that is being forced upon all of us by our own govts worldwide, which is solely designed to bring about the New World Order and one world govt.
Couldn’t agree with you more!
However, for you to attack this guy, because he was following orders, is a bit rich. Apart from the obvious wrongs in your statement, you are drawing a very long bow my friend.
If you are going to blame this guy because he happened to be part of the feminazi machine that is dominating the world, then you might as well point the finger at the whole MRM, the Blue Piller Gang, All the stinking feminists, in fact, you can blame the bloody children too.
Why?
Because we are all to blame for the state the world is in right now. And you have no right to slam this one guy, because he allegedly has bad blood on his hands.
And if you still can’t find it in you to see this man with some empathy, then what about his poor kids?
I shall say no more!!
You live in the USA, right?
So you pay taxes on both your earnings and stuff you buy, right?
Those taxes go towards both the military AND family courts, divorce industry, feminist pork in general, right?
Now, what were you saying about having blood on hands?
On behalf of veterans everywhere……Fuck you, man.
When I joined this forum and this group, I had to do some soul-searching and decide which issues mattered most to me. I have numerous disagreements with any number of people here. For example, without belaboring the details, I unequivocally disagree with you, Shrek, and Barbarossa on US military policy, and I could go on at great length about why I disagree. With numerous references.
But you know what? I have some things I strongly disagree with Paul Elam on, that I don’t think he knows about. I have things I disagree with John The Other on, and probably things he doesn’t know about either. (And no, I don’t mean my quibblings over the use of the word “feminist.”) You know why I set those disagreements aside? Because those are not my priority here. My primary focus is on fighting misandry in the criminal and family law arena, and the toxic anti-male attitudes that permeate our schools and our popular culture and our health systems.
Those are my issues. If you feel the top priority is opposition to US military policy, or that this somehow is equal to those other things, that’s fine: you take that position. You’re free to do that. I won’t join you, but I respect your freedom to do it.
In the meantime, we’re involved in this form of activism, and we aren’t going to apologize to you or anyone else for helping this man and his children caught in our horrendous family law system. If you find that unacceptable, then son, you’re in the wrong forum.
This movement could easily be fractured by all sorts of things: religious disagreements, political party alignment or nonalignment, race differences, disagreements over national or international economic or foreign policy, gay versus straight, etc.. But we don’t let that happen. We’re open to anyone who shares our goals. We have leftists, rightists, libertarians, even the odd Marxist and Socialist floating around here and there. We have Christians, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, general spiritualists, and more. We even have women (gasp!). There’s even one or two who still identify as feminists, and are just embarrassed at what they see as feminist excesses (hell, many MRAs love Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers, and THEY still call themselves feminists last I checked, they just think they can rescue the term from the radical haters). We don’t let those things divide us, as long as we share the same overall goals.
I think if you can’t handle that, you probably don’t belong here. We’ve made our priorities clear, and helping Lt. Col. Kirk and his children has been made one of them. It isn’t going to change. Deal with it.
You don’t blame the soldier for the General or the Commander-in-Chief.
You only blame the soldier when they knowingly obey illegal orders. And, you average soldier made the mistake of trusting their leadership and government. Making them a victim on another level, their blood being used to line fatcat pockets.
And, I must ask. Where the hell did you leave your sense of compassion? I would suggest that you listen to the audio files again.
Get it straight…don’t blame the soldier or the veteran for the actions of the generals.
Like so many from Quaker families, I had a male family member see active service in World War 2, because they saw it as a just war. If you see peace as an easy option you are not engaging your brain
On November 11th I will commemorate and remember.
I stopped by on here to see if there was any new information and admittedly have only started reading from the bottom up but the last several comments are truly upsetting. I appreciate that this group’s ability and willingness to help is based on a movement for equal rights for men. I also understand that this can bring up issues and opinions on political rights and Joel’s military career. I am glad the subject and article are getting so much attention and I hope it becomes a valuable stepping stone as I believe there should be equal rights and equality both at home and in the workplace for both men and women. What is truly upsetting is that there are 2 kids living a nightmare while everyone argues over whether their dad is worth sympathy or how much of a monster their mother is. The legal system and the Judge’s lack of interest in fairly applying OUR country’s laws to the case before her is the issue and those children are victims, not just their father.
Thank you for stopping in to comment. I appreciate your thoughts, but I point you to the fact that many people here are involved in direct advocacy for those children as we speak. I suggest it is better not to conflate that with the understandable questions and concerns placed in the comments. Trust me, we know who needs our help here.
Also, there is an appeal hearing for the case in front of another judge this friday the 21st. I am unsure if it is solely for custody or not but the father has been assigned most of the debt while the mother is receiving the majority of his income. I do not understand what happened to 50/50. In what mathematical calculation is it equal for one party to get the liability while the other gets the rewards? Tina’s lawyers are all pro-bono and she has several and, as far as I am aware, Joel’s ONE lawyer is paid with the little money that is left. In all honesty…how can anyone expect a fair outcome when so much of our legal system can be manipulated by lawyers and judges? Justice is apparently only given to those who can afford it and when you have so few assets left to work with, you are in danger of losing your children’s home, your ex is sitting on her backside at a bar drinking with her boyfriend and paying for it with your child support check…how much justice can you afford and what option do you have when it comes to keeping your children safe?
Lori Jackson was my ex-wifes attorney during our divorce proceedings. Together with Judge Alan D. Moats of the 19th Judical Circuit went out of their way to DESTROY any my family. I eventually fought my case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court as a Pro Se litigant (because I could not find an attorney I could afford who was willing to go to war against the system and those like Lori Jackson and Judge Moats). After 5 solid years of fighting my way to the Supreme Court,,,the court simply decided not to hear my case. CORRUPTION, INJUSTICE AND EVIL ARE THE DEFINING WORDS FOR OUR FAMILY LAW COURT SYSTEM.
Like Lt. Col Kirk here I also served 20 years in the U.S.A.F. and 3 years with the WV Army National Guard. I also stood in opposition to Lori Jackson in 2000-2001 during my divorce case. At that time Jackson was a pracitcing family law attorney. Jackson together with Judge Alan D. Moats of the 19th Judicial Circuit, DHHR/ CPS and other agensts of the court did everything they could to destroy my life and my family via false allegations of abuse and neglect, violations of my 1st and 14th Amendment rights, wrongful termination of my parental rights, forcing my now ex-wife to file for a divorce that neither of us wanted and then subsequently trying to force me to pay support for children I no longer have rights to. I have a good story for anyone that wishes to hear it.
This judge doesn’t need to be removed from the case, she needs to be removed from the court entirely; a proper disbarring is in order.
How in blazing hells can a judge be so blatantly corrupt (or stupid, or both) and there not be an investigation into her? Hell, why hasn’t she been removed altogether ages ago?
Because you will not make me a believe, a person this utterly corrupt and/or stupid hasn’t shown this in earlier cases.
Along with the lead lawyer of Ms. Kirks pro bono legal team Thomas Smith of Smith, Mcmunn and Glover. This guy, in writing, attempted to extort $288,000 out of Mr. Kirk by offering full custody of his own children. This guy needs to go to JAIL. He even tries to cover his ass by saying his offer is “not admissable in court because it’s made in mediation”. Are you f”n kidding me??!!!
Speaking from years of experience as a member of 5 different family and mens rights organizations on the scene fighting to have our family law courts reformed as well as a 23 year retired military man myself (and former aircrew member in the Air Force having experienced the very same injustice and by this same Lori Jackson) I’ve come to one conclusion over the last 13 years of fighting. Running to the courts and our legislators in search of justice is equivilant to running to satan and begging for mercy. THEY “ARE” the enemy. Domestic enemies to our Constitution denying men, children and families true justice here in America. As a former military man the Lt. Col. and others need to realize that we swore an oath to defend our Constitution against ALL enemies BOTH foreign and DOMESTIC. Any entity be they foreign or domestic (right here on home soil) that infringes upon our Constitutionally guaranteed rights in any manner what-so-ever is an enemy to our country and we must be willing to put our lives on the line in standing against them,,,even to the point of taking up arms to do so.
It takes guts and courage to stand up against domestic terrorism especially when that terrorism stems from our own government via corrupt laws and policies. When government however via its laws and policies begins to circumvent our Constitution and the laws of GOD it then abrogates its authority and WE THE PEOPLE are then morally and in other ways obligated to obey our God and our Constitution over government,,,even if this calls for civil disobedience over obeying corrupt laws and or court orders. And this is the ONLY hardline stance that has any chance of winning such a war.
The system is soooo broken that fixing it is not an option,,,it needs to be dismantled all together. WE (meaning men inparticular) need to man up to the issues at hand and collectively refuse to obey corrupt court orders and do so on a national massive scale. It’s simply a modern day Civil Rights matter and we have to approach it in the same manner that Civil Rights activist did in the 50′s and 60′s.
Marriage and family was first created, established and governed by GOD not the state. That makes marriage and family a Religious Institution. Government overstepped it’s bounds of separation of church and state by forcing its family laws on our religious institution of marriage and family.
As a result there are many gross violations of our Constitutional rights being forced down our throats today. There are many good books on this subject and one of my favorites is: Taken Into Custody – The War Against Father’s, Marriage and the Family by Stephen Baskerville. I highly encourage all to read.
IT’S TIME TO WAKE UP PATRIOTS!
Men and Women Against Discrimination of WV were able to get a False Allegations Bill passed into law here in the State of West Virginia making it a crimminal offense for one spouse to falsely accuse the other of abuse and/ or neglect,,,especially when done preemptively in order to secure custody of children in the future event of divorce. An attorney needs to look into this for Mr. Kirk.
Like Kirk,,,my now ex-wife was encouraged by the WV DHHR / CPS to make false allegations of abuse concerning me. I even caught her on video picking up the phone and calling my mother and falsely accusing me of holding a gun on her as she speaks. I still have this video. Regardless with the DHHR and Lori Jackson at her side they were able to coerce the judge into a wrongful termination of my parental rights (not because they could prove abuse and neglect but only because I would not plead guilty to those charges and attend the states family counseling which runs contrary to my Christian beliefs and values). Then the courts coerced my now ex to file for a divorce afterwhich they ordered me to pay child support for children I no longer have parental rights to. I stood against this on the grounds of Noblesse Oblig ( no rights equals no responsibility) The state can’t not legally hold me responsible for doing something I no longer have a legal right to do,,,namely parent my children and support is all a part of parenting,,,so they later sent me to prison for 18 months for refusing to obey this court order.
Years after the Office of Child Support Enforcement is still trying to take me back to court to pay this child support. In doing so they again violate my Constitutionally guaranteed protections by revisiting my case and trying to have me sentenced again for the same original offense. This is a case of Double Jeapordy.
So,,,,with stories like Lt. Col Kirk, mine and those of thousands of others,,,,you have to ask yourself why is this sort of thing allowed to happen here in America? The answer is simply,,,because we allow it. Until we (men and all others serious about justice) decide we’ve had enough and come together collectively and refuse to obey such corrupt laws and court orders,,,we will always be under the oppression of evil folk like Lori Jackson.
Heres14u2c, I’m as sorry to hear of your situation as I was to hear of Lt. Col. Kirk’s. I pray that both of you men will continue to be strong even, in your case, after years of dealing with an unjust system that does not have the best interests of families and children at heart. If men like you and others at AVFM continue to lead the way for men’s civil rights and those of your children, perhaps change will eventually come to the family court system. After hearing your stories, I am not particularly proud to be a West Virginian right now.
Heres14u2c Please write Dr. T, (shrink4men.com)Paul Elam (AVFM) or Harry Crouch at National Coalition for men so that you can be contacted. Would love to have some more information.