Paul Elam and I recently wrote a piece called “Colleges push anti-male sex policies to the edge,” about how colleges are bending, stretching, twisting, and pounding the definition of sexual misconduct to include all manner of things that, by any rational measure, are not sexual misconduct. We explained that this stems from an extremist feminist tradition of rape advocacy that encourages purported victims to engorge the definition of “rape” and “sexual assault” to include all manner of alleged violations that are neither “rape” nor “sexual assault.”
The past few days have given us stellar examples of how that extremist tradition has become the norm.
He raped me. He raped me not...
First up is Lauren R. Taylor of the Washington Post, who defends the sexual violence study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That study, in the words of Christina Hoff Sommers, “suggests that rates of sexual violence in the United States are comparable to those in the war-stricken Congo.” How does the new study arrive at the conclusion that sexual violence is rampant? By “careless advocacy research,” Ms. Sommers explains, and by asking respondents if they had sex while inebriated or if someone pressured them by by repeatedly asking, showing they were unhappy, telling them lies, or making false promises. In short, the study defines sexual violence “in impossibly elastic ways,” as Ms. Sommers puts it.
Well, impossibly elastic is just fine by Lauren R. Taylor, thank you very much! She proclaims: ”The questions [in the study] are vague and broad, because the reality of sexual violence is vague and broad.”
The statement is as inane as it is dangerous. The sine qua non of sexual violence is the absence of consent. Either there is consent or there isn’t, and there’s nothing “vague” or “broad” about that. While some manifested assertions of assent are so tainted by impropriety that our law does not consider them legally operative (an example is a promise obtained by duress), nagging for sex and the other things asked typically aren’t among them.
Next up, a Harvard student named Emma Wood, who pooh-poohs the prevalence of false rape claims. Emma is in a class by herself. Aside from slinking into the easily-mouthed clichés of radical feminism, Emma lobs the following bomb, presumably with a straight face: “I am convinced that no umbrella definition of sexual assault can exist. Just as each person defines his or her sexuality for him or herself, each person defines sexual assault on a similarly personal level.”
There you have it. Rape is in the eye of the beholder. In Ms. Taylor’s and Ms. Wood’s world, sexual assault isn’t a crime that needs to be defined with sufficient due process specificity to put the accused on notice of the conduct it proscribes. It is a free-floating clearinghouse to redress any sexual encounter deemed unsatisfactory at the caprice and whim of a self-anointed victim.
For eons, rape had a widely accepted, horrific meaning. Now, according to the people who dominate the public discourse on it, it means nothing — because it means everything. Carefully crafted criminal laws, honed by centuries of thoughtfully constructed judicial decisions, have been scrapped in favor of a 1970′s mood ring.
That tells us all we need to know about the people who dominate the public discourse on rape.
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LOL. These gals need some legal training. If they had any, they would not be making statements like that.
“Clarity in Criminal Statutes: The Void-for-Vagueness Doctrine.—Criminal statutes which lack sufficient definiteness or specificity are commonly held “void for vagueness.”983 Such legislation “may run afoul of the Due Process Clause because it fails to give adequate guidance to those who would be law-abiding, to advise defendants of the nature of the offense with which they are charged, or to guide courts in trying those who are accused.”984 ‘Men of common intelligence cannot be required to guess at the meaning of [an] enactment.’985″
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-14/54-void-for-vagueness-doctrine.html
This almost looks like an answer to my questions below. But upon closer look, it is not.
My question is if there is a legal doctrine that demands terminology to be as clear and distinct as possible.
We don’t call all killings murder but differentiate it from manslaughter and more. And certainly we don’t call it “murder” if someone just lost a limb, or passed out.
But now we all everything “rape”
Are there legal doctrines demanding clear distinct definitions for different crimes?
Which would forbid re-defining rape as almost anything. Which would call non-consent the consent of a 17 year old
which would call 17 year olds “children”
and would call adolescent erotica “child porn”
It’s called substantive due process and unfortunately whether that has been denied and your rights violated depends upon the ruling of the court. So the pussy pass fully applies.
As far as laws being made clear – there is no requirement. And in fact all laws are considered constitutional until the court decides they are not. This puts the burden on the people to prove their rights were violated. And since the court decides these things, the pussy pass applies.
In other words, the substance of the law has been reduced to “fuck-men-tive due process.”
Sorry, gents,but the Friday-night brandy demands that I ask this –
If I cut off my manly hydraulics, balls and all, and ran the empty flaccid severed bits out on the clothesline behind my house while I bled to death from my crotch, would that still be legally-charged as “indecent exposure”?
(And while I am asking irrelevant silly alcohol-induced questions, just what the **** is that dangling from the corner of Cupcake’s mouth in the accompanying photo?)
LOL – The court decides. So the pussy pass fully applies. Or is this case – the pussy was offended, so yes.
I want everyone reading this comment to know that women at the campus I attend have swallowed feminist lies, hook, line, and sinker. They think the 1 out of 4 statistic is false, because they believe the statistic is closer to 1 out of 3, and I have even heard them say 1 out of 2. I can’t wait to graduate and get out of there. College has become a madhouse. I have been approached by security guards because women complained I looked dangerous and gave them a creepy vibe. Women carry pepper spray, and they will use it on any man for any reason, even if they are not in danger. I tried filing a complaint against a feminist professor because she kept making sexist remarks against men, but the college administrators treated me like I was the villain.
I keep going to college because I am close to graduating, but it has been made very clear to me that men are not welcome on campus. Women professors bully the male students, and they even encourage female students to bully male students. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone when I am on campus. I haven’t been able to get through one day on campus without experiencing misandry.
I am looking to start a blog filled with misandric incidents that men have experienced while attending college. If you have an experience you wish to share, please let me know. I will keep your name confidential if you desire.
You could document it. If you can get a small camera disguised as a seemingly innocuous pen you could record such things. Along with a blog for your experiences and that of other men in post-secondary education it would provide insight into what is happening behind the walls of colleges and universities.
Of course you must operate clandestinely. Don’t release anything until you are out of school and it can’t effect your education. Find out if the school can do anything to you even after you’ve graduated. Just incase your identity is compromised somehow.
At some point you could perhaps edit the footage. Blur out the faces of people filmed, keep the school unidentified. Or you could go balls out not caring but that’s not high tech, sneaky or fun at all.
Think of it as journalism. Not everyone is good at research and writing articles or being persuasive but nearly anyone can be a journalist.
I am not good with technology. I have spent the last three days putting my experiences on paper. I am holding onto everything until the right opportunity presents itself. I want men to learn about my bad experiences so they don’t suffer the same fate, but I am trying to figure out the most effective medium to present my findings.
People already know how I feel about feminism, but they don’t know the extent to which I am disgusted with feminism, nor do they know I am reporting my experiences to AVFM.
As an MRA, I need to be careful when I am behind enemy lines.
I believe back when I first became aware of the MRM (still not a year ago) through False Rape Society blog (thank-you) I saw a book, a handbook actually for young men, “Before You Go to College” or similar. Meant to be a kind of Self-Defense manual for avoiding false charges by female students. It seems like an updated publication like that would be a natural development after you start cataloging the incidents. I’m confident patterns-of-abuse will certainly develop.
Perhaps even a school-by-school, or at least noting geographical trends – if any – would also be beneficial.
I can’t tell you how much I empathize with you. They always say “old people” pine for their good-’ol’-days, well, this campus development sure has me feeling old, not to mention nostalgic for those days back on the campuses of the 70′s…mood rings and all.
That’s a great very worthwhile project you are getting under way. Regarding the camera pens mentioned before. They are quite cheap and easy to operate. Here’s some info about them including examples of video and sound quality – http://www.spycameras.com/
Robert, if you have anything worthy of inclusion on my blog, please let ME know. I’d be content to hear that you’d looked at it for my “Guest Post” that featured YOU.
I will send you something soon. By the way, thank you for posting my rant from a couple weeks ago on your blog. I appreciate it.
‘..women at the campus I attend have swallowed feminist lies, hook, line, and sinker.’
Yeah, “women don’t lie to eachother. We would know such a thing.”
Wow that’s pretty crazy but not unexpected.
My experiences were only slightly different.
A few of my professors were (I suppose still are) feminists who would throw their myths around in class until I started calling them on it.
Whenever any of them brought up the glass ceiling, I would inform them the idea was repeatedly debunked by renowned economists at dozens of universities and by officials in various American and Canadian Departments/Ministries. A few times they tried “calling my bluff” by demanding I cite my sources and provide proof. Then they realized my digital voice recorder, primarily for notes, was also a USB HD full of PDFs and webpage links.
While it certainly made me very unpopular the NyQuil drinking buffoons realized it was in their best interests to keep their ideologies outside of the classroom.
Any man who challenges feminism on campus is deemed “troubled” and is usually kicked out of class for being “disruptive.” As usual, feminism survives through censorship. I am going to catalog my experiences from the last few years, and then I will e-mail it to Paul. I’ll see if he would like to use it for some future use on AVFM. College is filled mostly with feminists, manginas, and white knights. I would guess the number of people who think like me on campus are in the low single digits. They don’t know any better because they haven’t spent time in the real world. I predict a lot of men will come over to our side once they get a taste of the real world.
That is good you took a stand against your feminist professors. Without blue-pill men backing them up, they are usually push-overs.
Thank you.
There were several blue-pillers and many screaming banshees but my ability and willingness to quickly provide documented proof is what usually silenced former fellow classmates.
When one of the professors tried to escalate the issue, I went straight-away to the campus Omsbudsman, played the audio recording of the exchange (because she forgot it was still on) and explained in no uncertain terms that I didn’t pay tuition to be lied to or indoctrinated. If any derogatory statements were placed on my academic record or if I was removed from the program I would go to news broadcasters with my story AND go to a governmentally funded advocacy group playing the discrimination card.
Yup; I’m Black (Italian/Haitian). Yup, I’ll play the black card if girls continue to lie through their vaginas because their feelings tell them it’s ok. Yup; I’m an ass.
“..I’ll play the black card if girls continue to lie through their vaginas..”
What the..! Now that is one scary image. It makes that spooky image of a wooden doll on a ventriloquist’s lap quite settling in comparison don’t you think ?
Good on you for standing up for the lot of us here and reading your posts about it has me flushed with gratitude, however..
Talking to the dean about your woes is nothing compared to the horrors of being surrounded by jabbering muffs.
Education be damned, get the hell out of there. Run !
No, by God, you, LucianCross, are an ALPHA COCK!
And I hope to any and every God who is listening, from the infinite pantheon of the Hindi to JHVH (Hebrew), Christ and his Father (Christian), Allah (Muslim) and clear up to the Frisbeetarian and the Flying Spaghetti Monster – that they will Bear Witness to your assessment of the Femmunist Manifestors!
You are “lucky”. As a black man you belong to a protected class and can sue against abuse.
White, heterosexual young males are totally unprotected and can be discriminated against at will. Interestingly, older white men sometimes can use laws protecting middle age or elderly people.
I’ve seen the incredible misandry and utter feminist control of higher education myself, as an assistant professor. I taught graduate level computer science courses at a local college. In 2 years of teaching, I had 3 complaints lodged. I challenged every one and prevailed. I prevailed because I recorded every single verbal exchange I had with my female students.
It’s not paranoia, it’s a fact of self preservation in enemy territory. After a few years I left teaching in a disgusted state of mind. Colleges and Universities are supposed to open up minds, not close them off to the truth.
Quite sadly, Colleges and Universities are politically correct to the point of teaching revisionist history of the United States of America from a feminist/victim point of view.
I got into really heated debates with other professors on the subjugation of intelligence and reality via political correctness.
It was an ugly scene. The other professors defended their position with increasing shrillness and had the audacity to degrade into personal attacks when they were cornered.
Logical debate died a while back at our colleges and universities. Political correctness and feminism rule has destroyed higher education in the west.
A good college experience for men to open their minds and unlock their potential has degraded into a game of tip toeing through the feminist minefields and scattered bear traps.
According to these idealogues, there are no false rapes, because rape has nothing to do with actions…….it’s all about the feeling of the woman. If she feels raped….she was…..even if she has never met the man she is accusing.
Even if the man is a suby, tied up and totally at the womans mercy, following her every command, and powerless to resist, even if he is whipped, electrocuted and spat on…….if the woman later regrets the sexual encounter…and feels raped…..the man is a rapist. Nothing else matters except for the way a woman says she feels at the time she claims she was raped…how she felt…..not at the time the sex happened…..at the time she makes the claim.
Feminist laws all have this in common. They are equal to no law at all. Feelings change like the wind in woman. We now have the rediculous laws in Australia that say that a man denying his wife sex is an act of domestic violence…..while a man nagging for sex is rape. How fucked up do things have to get before we tell women to grow up and stop being ruled by their feelings like children.
What is feminist law. The defining characteristic is basically…..anything any woman feels it should be at the time. No law at all in other words…not for women anyway.
What is feminist law
The best explanation I have heard is that its substitutes the “unreasonable woman” for the “reasonable man” as a yardstick as to what is criminal and what isn’t.
Yes Bev, true….but which unreasonable woman.
Let’s take for example the mistress law here in Australia. I’ll give you guys from other countries the run down so you know just how fucked up a shit hole it really is here.
The mistress law dictates that a man who is having on ongoing affair…..even a married man…with kids…..upon the break up of that affair…..the woman can sue for his assets….and spousal support. This is even a married guy with a family…..and the woman knew he was married. Feminists created and pushed for this law…..and got it.
So, unreasonable woman A…..the wife…and kids…..loses assets because the husband has his assets confiscated by another woman. Unreasonable woman B…..the affair…..thinks she should be able to dip into his assets, and future income…..do the detriment of even his kids.
Who wins this argument…….woman B……gets to screw over woman A….as well as the man……and his children……why…….because she is the unreasonable woman that is doing something to hurt a man.
The real measure of what feminist law should be…..is whatever is hurting a man…..even if it hurts some woman too….worth it……to get those bastards. Kids……thrown under the bus for a sake of more male meat in the meat grinder.
Neither of these two women should be entitled to any of the mans assets….they should only be entitled to that with has been freely given to them….or that they have earned and saved and brought themselves. That is the only egalitarian thing. However…..feminism dictates that woman must be allowed to mooch of men…and take what is not given. So which woman prevails…..the biggest moocher….the one who deserves the least….the who has contributed nothing…..it tells much about what feminism is really all about.
The problem I see here, Stu, is the juxtaposition of “reasonable” with “woman”.
“Reasonable” does not belong in the same sentence, the same paragraph, with …
“Woman.”
Bev, Izzey, I hope you recognize that I regard you as among the exceptions to this rule; I wish to uphold you as a support the notion that “reason” is not ruled out by the absence of a “Y” chromosome. (Gentlemen – do you notice how delicately I tap-dance around the fearful notion that “women are incapable of reasoning”?)
I hope, from the bottom of my heart, to have your presence here accepted as proof that there are SOME people, who don’t have Y chromosomes, who exhibit definite and even exemplary levels of REASON, and understanding of REASON.
I include you, Bev … Izzey … maybe hopefully others … as I include a voice from the past named ‘Ayn Rand’.
Please stay here and contribute your sanity to AVfM!
@Stu: you finally made me see and understand. I can see clearly now. I understand my false ways of analysing topics with male chauvinist patriarchal LOGIC. I was insensitive to women’s FEELINGS.
I cannot even fathom what crime I would commit in the following situation:
Wife consistently refuses sex. Husband tells her he will give her less for her allowance because he has to invest money in a mistress or in a brothel.
I am thankful, to any God you might choose to referee this problem, that I have no “wife” to consult in it.
The unalloyed bitch of this situation is that, during my last visit to a country where prostitution is legal, I came to the conclusion that masturbation was, in fact, more satisfying than the ministrations of the “average, empowered, disadvantaged” prostitute in that environment.
Maybe a good way to fund my retirement is to go to college collect the evidence and sue individually each and every feminist that created a hostile environment along with the University. I used to have a litigation buddy (RIP), if only we had such buddies in about 10 universities. The cases may not be won due to biased judges, but for us putting out about 2K/case, they would spending 10s of thousands for each. Since the cases would be reasonable, we would not be liable for their expenses.
Bombay, do you still practice law? I know of a case fitting that mold which you might be interested in.
I think the only way these universities will change their policies is if they get hit with enough lawsuits from students. And I hope that the OCR’s “Dear Colleague” letter, which was intended to reduce lawsuits against universities, actually has the opposite effect… it’s extremely unfair to strip the accused of all due process and then suspend or expel him based on a mere preponderance of evidence…furthermore, university administrators with no training on issues of sexual assault should not be policing such cases
I am not a lawyer, all my litigation was pro se.
There was once a move to clog the courts with litigation concerning child custody/child support with fathers doing it themselves. Many of those cases were thrown out with those fathers having to pay the court costs of the other side. These costs can be substantial. If a person is going to litigate these things, he needs to do his homework or it will cost him dearly.
Many attorney’s do not take these types of cases since it generally limits their career.
I am utterly grateful that I was “grandfathered” into my own profession – by reason and possession of enough documented experience, and enough credits in maths, that satisfied the requirements of my agency!
My credentials, and my following efforts and writings in my field – I was able to tell my prospective employers that I ‘wrote the book” on my subject – enabled me to become the “local expert” in my own recondite field (aeronautical cartography, the process of making aeronautical charts, maps for aviators) and to teach that subject in “co-producing” national agencies and institutes that were responsible for mapping their own countries!
Now, years after I retired from the Federal Government school that sent me around the world to teach this specialist’s subject, I have a perspective on the world that would not be “politically correct’ to the average man.
Thanks to you, God, and thanks to the rules I worked under and lived under for those many years, that I still have a decent pension.
I have no problem with Femthink. If solipsistic Harvardettes want to redefine things sexual, so be it. We men just need to follow suit.
For example, “murder” can now mean a woman ordering lobster on a first date, thereby “killing” the male’s bank balance.
New punishments should fit new definitions, too. If a girl says she was drunk when those 43 guys raped her as she watched TV with her roommate, don’t doubt her. Just bring her coffee for 43 days.
If a vaginate feels “pressure” to have sex, give her a back rub.
If she’s angry for not reaching orgasm, sing her a Sesame Street song and tell her to bring you a boner-rousing beer.
If she can’t remember what she did the night before, take $50 from her purse and say she promised it to you.
Dudes, the problem isn’t shit-for-brains, coddled females. It’s our lack of imagination.
For example, why not press colleges to provide duenas for each coed? If that’s too expensive, make strong, brave, feisty campus females wear cowbells. That way adults can guide them when they get lost…and men can flee the other way.
Then again, maybe we should ban wimmin from college altogether. After all, most feminists are retarded. Would we let pinheads fend for themselves? No. It’d be cruel. Better to find feminists dignified careers…in circuses.
For fifty years feminists have shown the world that females are “eejits.” That is, Special Olympians who need adults to indulge them, pamper them, pretend they’re equal when they’re not. Giving them points they don’t earn just keeps them deluded.
And us frustrated.
So what to do?
Well, since females demand to wear what they want, however they want, whenever they want (like delivering corporate speeches in their pajamas), guys need to return the favor. That is, we can look at what we want, however we want, for as long as we want. No more pouty girls yapping about the big, bad “male gaze.” No more frigid-nun frippery about “inappropriate” behaviors. Show your thong and we WILL ogle it. Jiggle your fun bags and we WILL murmur “Boobies!” while looking like Homer Simpson on a donut binge. Bend over filing in an office, showing a moon at high noon, and we WILL smack dat thang, askin’ “Who’s yer daddy?”!
Men must rise up and redefine! Since slutwalks are chic, we’ll call women “whores.” And make “bitch” an honorific. Each male, like each female, will create his/her own meanings. If he wants to call wimmin hookers, and stuff yams in their butts: Great! Anyone female who disapproves will be jailed for 10 years.
Militarily, wimmin need smaller, lighter, pinker weapons. Until we can supply them, let feminists clear minefields. It’s simple and easy: they’ll just hold hands while crossing enemy territories. “Boom-Boom!” will tell us when they’re done.
Gents, fembots have shown us the way. It’s up to us now to follow their lead, Henceforth, rape is no more. Instead, there is kinder, gentler “undocumented sex.”
Penetration is now impossible, too. After all, the mouth is but one end of a long TUBE coursing through bowels, ending with an anus. That is, an “alimentary canal” hollow like the hole in a donut. Well, if you stick a pencil in a donut hole you don’t penetrate the donut. You merely enter empty space. Similarly, to “penetrate” a woman you’d have to stick your johnson in her leg or other solid mass. Not easily done. Therefor, rape is now kaput definitionally.
And since rape is now impossible, females must make amends for their historical, hysterical lies about it. How? By becoming our willing sex slaves.
Cool beans!
Now, what other facts can we redefine to, at too long last, advantage OUR half of the world?
Let the names begin!
@Auntie Pheminizm : Your examples sure are funny. There are less outlandish examples:
Women looking down on dorks, nerds and losers in school and at work, who make disparaging remarks are creating a hostile work environment, which makes men feel uncomfortable and unliked. Thus it constitutes harassment.
In analogy to battered woman’s syndrome there should be cheated man’s syndrome, offended honor’s syndrome and other syndrome that explain and justify murder and manslaughter by men.
Let the names begin eh ?
Ok here’s one:
Davey Fatso (anagram – ‘A vile turd fled’) is no longer an unmitigated stench and assault to my eyeballs on my monitor.
It is now:
An unfortunate and natural film of net delivered excreta best attended to behind a perspex wall with irradiation proof gloves and a set of tongs holding an antibacterial swab and a blow torch.
What drives me to go to his site every now and then ? I’m like deer watching a lion kill and I just can’t look away.
Help me.
This actually happened to ME a bearer of the Y-chromosome (i.e. a male, a man) some years ago – while I was a senior cartographer and the “smacker” was a ditzy blonde woman who’d been transferred into my office some months ago!
I was bending over to pick up a packet of reproduction materials – the “positive plates” and “negative plates” that would be photographically transmuted into the printing plates to print a hard-copy, paper chart – when “Miss Ditz” slapped me on the ass.
Now, it didn’t help that “Miss Ditz” was the flesh-and-blood embodiment of my sexual-imaginary ideal. I’d have moved heaven-and-earth to “knock the bottom out of that thang,” in the verbal imagery of my time.
But I was all too well-aware of the catastrophe that might await me, were I to try to “tap that.” And I was pissed-off that she had slapped my tuchus harder, more vigorously, than my OB-GYN had essayed at my birth … so I called her out on it:
“If I had slapped you on the ass, with the same excuse (she’d admitted to me that she couldn’t resist), how many minutes would it have been before Captain **** would have had me “before the mast” for Sexual Harassment?”
“Miss Ditz” was completely incredulous that a mere male could have questioned her privilege to slap a “sexual inferior” on the ass – even though I was a GS-12, and she was a GS-9.
The remarkable thing is that “Miss Ditz” was able to transfer to another office, and get a raise while doing so!
I am grateful that “Captain ****”, then-director of the Agency, never heard shit about this.
I am ever-more grateful that I was able to continue my career, without the “demerit” that I had not satisfied “Cupcake” after her “SLAP-on-my-butt” invitation (that woke up a male colleague some 75 feet away!!), and that I completed an honorable and “sexless” career with the Federal Government. (This despite TDY to a couple of Central and South American countries, where my sexless discipline actually called my “manhood” into question. I hope I might satisfy their question, as an expatriate retiree!)
Pierce Harlan, great post. Agree 100%.
At Human-Stupidity.com I sometimes focus on slightly different aspects. One aspect is:
Feminists (or religious zealots) have successfully re-defined and obscured a number of clearly defined terms. Now everywhere, in Math, Physics, Science and English, people strive to have well defined terminology.
Can you tell me if there is such a maxim in law? That says that terms have to be as well defined, clear, unambiguous as possible? If so, can you quote and link? Then why has nobody bothered to stress that old legal concepts are being violated by having fuzzy ambiguous confusing terminology.
I got kicked out of several blogs for irreverently asking “what kind of rape” whenever there was a rape story in the news.
Now “rape” is not the only re-defined word made ambiguous.
There is
“child” (0-17y, or up to 25 but looking under 18),
“porn” including solo nudity, and fully dressed in lascivious poses (Knox vs. USA)
Consent (now there is consensual non-consent in statutory rape, versus non-consensual non-consent in real rape of adolescents). So now we have consensual rape (of 17 year olds or slightly drunk women) opposed to non-consensual rape.
Pedophile (21 year old man attracted to 17 year old girls)
Now putting 2 terms together, like child rape (consensual petting with a 17 year old) or child porn (17 year olds in Leotards dancing with gyrating movements), it is confusion squared.
http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/social-rules-habits/manipulate-language has topics such as
Yes means No! Forcibly raping a 17 year old is the same rape as consensual love making.
“Rape is rape is rape” is a lie, Joe Biden! 20 different types of rape!
What is a Pedophile? Hebephile, Ephebophile, Teleiophile, Infantophile
Consent, rape & minors. What is consent to sex?
Hasn’t anyone ever focused on this abuse and rape of out language and legal terminology?
Republicans re-re-define rape: to the original definition rape had for 2000 years before re-definition 30 years ago
17 year old “children”? United Nations confesses political manipulation of “child” definition
Victim dupes man into raping her. How can you rape without knowing you are raping?
I recently made a feminist quite angry when I told her that I now consider rape to be a ‘joke’ crime because women have turned it into one. If women genuinely regarded rape as the horrific crime they have always pretended it to be, then they would be outraged by FRA’s.
(They are not outraged by them – unless you include the complaint that FRA’s can make it difficult for other women to be believed. The old idea that ‘FRA’s are bad for women’ – never a word about them being bad for men. of course).
Frivolously re-defining rape to include buyer’s remorse revealed that, for women, rape is just sex – sex with someone who didn’t return her calls, make her an omelette or drive her home. Crying rape is just another avenue women use to vent their peevishness. Rape shields are nothing more than playpens for the petty and vindictive.
I point out to women who have known me for a long time to consider just how far removed that position is from the one I had twenty-five years ago. I once believed that rape – not just aggravated rape – was one of the most horrific events that could ever befall a woman. Encouraging that belief has served women very well: nothing rouses White Knights into action more than a ‘dishonoured damsel’.
Feminists have trivialised rape and men who have been paying attention have been forced to rethink what it all means. I have actually witnessed women allude darkly to being wronged by a guy in some murky unspecified way just because he annoyed her a little bit. It is only a small jump to a full-blown FRA. Women don’t seem to have a shred of conscience about such destructive behaviour.
I certainly enjoyed watching the angry feminist splutter incoherently as her head threatened to explode. It is a shame it didn’t, it might have done her some good.
I couldn’t agree more. *Poof!!*
Whenever I get the 1 in 4 claim, I always go into a sarcastic modus operandi: ‘No-no, that can’t be right. It has to be 3 in 4,-or 4 in 4, -because every woman I have ever spoken to about this, claims to have been raped at some time of her life.’
And the funny thing is, that I quite often get the reply that I might be right about that, which just sets off a lot of eyerolling and headshaking in return.
Whenever rape is the subject of the discussion, some women simply stop thinking in a rational way.
I think you are right about the difficulties of trying to get some sort of normal discussion going on with the subject of rape.
I’ve learned to steer clear of it with women company as not always I have on my Kevlar riot gear and tungsten flash grenade handy for a speedy exit.
You can see the glassy round eyed stare and the tight mouth and you just know it’s better to side step it like a crab. Better yet, just be knowing from the get go that there just cannot be a rational discussion about rape, not ever.
Also, and somewhat OT:
In Australia and the UK ‘poof’ can mean gay and AndyBob no doubt knows you meant it in the context of vanishing or appearing suddenly. I thought it was funny however and couldn’t resist not passing it by.
One of those wonderful moments when cultural innocence meets hard-nosed truth. Best laugh I’ve had all day. Thanks Mr Kimski!!
And Poof…he’s gone again…
LOL!
-Actually I was completely unware of the double meaning, and was referring to the sound of the angry feminists head exploding.
But you’re welcome, and don’t be gone for too long.
I enjoy your writing too much.
Thanks for filling me in on the cultural blanks.
I’ll refrain from using that expression, if I ever get down under in the future.
No telling what kind of trouble it could get me in.
Nah it’s ok, our Andrew Roberts doesn’t mind. Look, I’ll prove it.
“Hey there AndyBob ya poofter. How’s it going ?”
See, no angry retort or nuffin’. He’s top shelf that AndyBob. He’s got a brain as big as a pumpkin and writing skills like that Shakespeare fella.
Isn’t that right AndyBob ? AndyBob…? You hoo… AndyBob ?
It’s goin’ pretty well thanks Dr F….all things considered.
All of the goings on in Australia that Mr Lovett has alerted us to has me reeling a bit though. What the hell happened to the Aussie notion of A Fair Go For All? Maybe it was just a big fat cultural myth.
I have a theory that young countries like Australia and Canada have cultural inferiority complexes which make us eager to show the world just so grown-up and sophisticated we are. That’s why we go overboard trying to impress everyone on how “progressively PC” we can be. Kinda pathetic when you think about it.
Our socio-political elites are terrified of being dismissed as hicks. The USA has VAWA? Well, we’ve got The Plan…so there! Radical feminists have exploited this shallow mindset with ease. Australia has succeeded only in proving its pre-teen soul: easily led and primarily concerned looking more mature than it is.
Now Australia is a laughing stock – a pariah state alongside Sweden (which I would have thought was old enough to know better). All so bloody depressing. I can tell that Mr Stu has had a gutfull, too. Things are moving very, very swiftly. Hold on tight buddy, it’s going to get a whole lot worse.
@Andybob:
Again I unfortunately have to agree, and you don’t even have to be a ‘young’ country, for that inferiority complex to show it’s ugly face. All it takes is the ‘right’ psychopath in charge of a country, and you’ll see the exact same mentality unfold itself.
Our former head of state comes from a long line of farmers/hill billies/hicks, and his career in Denmark before being elected was filled with a variety of criminal actions, that would have landed anyone else but a politician in jail for many years. They caused less than a minor setback in his career, however.
On the night of his election, which happened after years of shoveling dirt under the rug, and very much based on female voter’s ‘well, he looks like such a decent man’-notion, he called his dad to say; ‘look dad, they made me prime minister’. As Angry Harry would have said: He probably wore the right tie for the occasion, when it comes to the female voters.
He spend his entire career as prime minister brown nosing every possible head of state he could get in touch with, but especially G.W.Bush et al, and we actually did not see much leadership from him during those years, because he was too busy sucking it up to some head of state somewhere abroad.
Today he is president of the EU and NATO, but take it from someone who have watched him and his career closely for a great many years: The man is very dangerous and suffers from a massive inferiority complex. Behind that ‘decent’ look lies a snake in a suit of the first degree. Besides a farmboy from Hicksville, who must be jerking off to the fact that he is now allowed to play with the ‘big boys’.
AndyBob,
Yes, we have been poked in the eye with a burnt stick here with the revelations brought to us by Mr Lovett.
I’m also reeling from all this, and hearing the thunderous silence about the inhumanity of “The Plan” has me gob smacked as well.
Who needs a belly chock a block full of red pills to take in the madness about to wash over us ? All it takes is one microscopic dose and the blinkers are off and the radio signal comes in strongly and it’s playing “Nearer My God to Thee.”
I am on the cusp of doing one of those rants myself and sending it in to our Paul I am so ticked off by all this,
I mean really AndyBob, what’s a chap to do ?
The correct number is 26.723:4
Lol.
‘You might be right about that.’
I’m going to use that one the next time, just to see what happens.
Holy crap !
That’s my I.P. address. I swear it those bloody fembos are onto me.
What’s next… chanting my number plate and phone number ?
God I’m a narcissist and they’re even jealous of that.
This post and the comments have brought me great joy. Good work, men.
Please pay close attention to the words of Auntie-phlegminism- they are precisely correct. Let us vigorously and deliberately hoist the shit that they have shoveled upon us, back to its rightful place, in their faces. No quarter for Satan’s soldiers.
These are actions that can be taken in your daily life, in the small moment to moment activities. It will serve as an example to other men. And it will spread.
Appeal with great competence to the place of decency in your fellow men. There is a place in men that knows honor, that knows right, that is compelled to justice and reason. It must be engaged, awoken from its long and devastating coma. Make the case, set the example, with form and competence, and their attention will be drawn to your message. There is a place in them that seeks it, that is in fact desperate for it.
The brotherhood is all there is.
Rape is always accompanied by force or the threat of force. And the alleged victim has to prove it.
That’s the only definition of rape there is. I am not interested in any arguments to the contrary.
All other definitions originated in the 1970s from the Polyhysterical Institute of California, the College of Polyhistrionics, and Rad(fems would look prettier stumbling over a)cliff.
Correct. I don’t even care if my neighbor has been convicted 100 times under any other definition……he’s innocent as far as I’m concerned until he’s found guilty with proof…..of our definition…..and I’ll treat him as innocent.
And violence involves bodily harm, or direct threat of bodily harm……credible threat……..and I’m not interested in any other definition on that either…..as far as I’m concerned…….the law is practicing violence against men every time it arrests a man or deprives him of anything…….under any other definition. The police, the courts, the feminists….the politicians……I consider them nothing but criminals…….I have no respect for anybody who supports any of this man hating feminist nonsense.
Tell that to the judge. Or to the college rape committee. Or to the newspapers.
Your opinion does not count. Feminists have already taken over the United Nations, the European central authorities, and all else.
I also think that 17 year olds are no children. Too bad, because when it befits the feminists and the religious conservative right, they are children.
So rape is not what you think, but what the judge, and the woman think.
The intent of all this, of course, is to confuse. Once you are slandered by the press as rapist, and are in jail as rapist, you have it coming (the jail rape and the later vendetta due to your registration). Because everyone thinks the guy really violently raped. Nobody imagines the truth, that the girl alleged she meekly said no in the middle of the act, or that she wholeheartedly enjoyed the sex but then allegedly was too drunk.
Worse if he is in jail as child rapist, for petting with his 17 year old virgin girl friend. Maybe he once penetrated her with his finger for 1/8 ”. He will be raped for sure. And every single person imagines that he violently stuck his thing into a screaming 8 year old.
It seems to me that even people here don’t see how perfidious this doublespeak is. Extended rape definition in court, but forcible rape rape in the mind of the newspaper readers, jail mates, and vigilante neighbors.
Right, so we can make up our stuff and be victims too?
If I eat a doughnut and get a tingle down the side of my face and then at the same time see a chick on a mobile phone, then that means the two are connected and I have been violated.
See, I just haaate tingles down the face and I won’t stand for it. Tingles, phones, ok, I will remember that.
Last night when I was putting on my pajamas a car alarm went off and it hurt my ears. I just haaate hurting ears and I won’t stand for it.
Car alarm, ears, pajamas mixed together = violation.
I was on a crowded tram last week and out of the window in a paddock I saw a little kid doing kung fu moves. At that exact same time someone farted and I was trapped.
I was assaulted, and that kid in the paddock has something to do with it because it happened at the same time. You know… cause and effect, it’s just science.
So doughnuts and paddocks, phones and pajamas and tingles. It’s all making sense now that I think about it.
It’s me bloody right and there’s nothing anyone can say to make me change me fucking mind because I fucking say fucking so.
P.S.
The burglar alarm went off in the house across the street – someone is robbing it right now. It happened as I was typing this damned post and I don’t want to be fingered for the goods that are being nicked.
I didn’t mean to cause problems for my good neighbours over the road by typing this post…. really.
I’m afraid brothers that this is my very last post as a result.
Actually, Dr F, I have heard women make even more fancifully tenuous connections than that. The manner in which some women construct their understanding of the world reminds me of Dali at his most obtuse.
What do you expect from a group of which most believe in hocus pocus…..star signs….tarrot cards……etc etc.
http://www.aare.edu.au/04pap/arn04242.pdf
ROFLMAO.
Kimski,
Where the hell did you find this lil’ nug’ o’ dung ?
For those of you who missed this here is a head scratcher in the second sentence:
“‘Empathic Intelligence’ attempts to articulate aspects of the intersubjective and intra-subjective phenomena of pedagogy.”
Oh fuck off. How abouts you (metaphorically) ram that pedantic pedagogy (metaphorically) inter-spersal thingy up your (metaphorically) big ass ?
It’s really simple, if you see someone passed out on the street, don’t nick their wallet. If you see some drunk jerk fumbling for their car keys well, take the keys away. If your mate is ticked of about something just listen to the bastard. Nod your head, help them out and do all the things normal people are hard wired to do. I mean big flaming deal.
What are we supposed to do in a crisis, say, “Hang on a sec, just have to go get my notes on empathic Intelligence and how it can help me attempt to articulate some aspects of the intersubjective and intra-subjective phenomena of pedagogy with our current unsettled discourse.”
So, this dish water titled, “Empathic intelligence:
the phenomenon of intersubjective engagement.” was actually paid for by the Australian tax payer. Not only that but get this.
The states of Queensland and Tasmania now have in their school curriculum’s an offshoot of this being taught in their English classes titled, “Essential Learning”
Kimski you deliberately linked that nonsense there because you just knew that some poor soul would click it and ripost.
You are a mean mean man, Owww.
LOL-
Actually I was just looking for a reply that involved “Empathic Intelligence” to top the answers from Andybob and Stu. And after doing a quick skim down the first couple of pages, I went back and saw it originated from someone in Tasmania, and thought ‘perfect,-close enough.’
It was one of the first think that came up on Google under “Empathic Intelligence.”
I didn’t do it to be mean, but from what I read it struck me as a very poor excuse for not thinking. Basically your average BS from that side of the fence.
…and Dali once said that if his wife died before him then he’d eat her.
We live in very confusing times mate I swear it.
No no, you have it all wrong…….our kids must spend their entire lives until they are at least 25yo being taught how to blow their nose, wipe their ass, brush their teeth……..and stuff like, all cultures are of equal value….even cannibalism……oh…..but except anything white, or western or male……..which contributes nothing to the world but evil. They must sit contemplating their navels over all sorts of emotional drivel.
Things like advanced reading, writing, advanced maths, or any maths at all, chemistry, physics, and all that other total bullshit……white male constructed fucking bullshit are not needed at all because we have really great calculators and computer programs that can do all that shit…..we won’t even have to teach people to read at all soon because our calculators and computers will just read our minds.
Trust me, all we have to focus on in education is emotion, and theorizing over whose emotion is more important at the time……so far we have worked out that in any given situation……a woman’s emotion is paramount and all important. Given another couple of thousand years, we will be able to bring anything into existence we want by emotional technology, warp 10.000 star ships running on emotions……emotion me up scotty……free energy…..free food…….and best of all…..we’ll be able to use emotions to get rid of those pesky men once and for all…….”poof”……gone…..no….not andybob….well yes andybob……and every other man…….gone that is.
Yes, woman can achieve anything with emotion, even making men vanish, just like that…..”poof”. They are doing it already actually, but the emotional technology is in the early stages. Just wait until they perfect it….they will have it down pat in Australia in probably ten years or so. You’ll see men going “poof” all over the place. No more male anything, no more boy bands, number one hit will be the girl band Emotion, consisting of four genetically reconstructed Valerie Solanas’ singing their number one hit.
Everybody’s doing a brand new dance now.
Come on baby, do the immolation
It’s so nice and easy, now, make him lose control
A lot of emotion and a bit of petrol
Come on, come on
Do the immolation with me
Ye-ye-ye-yeah
Then the manginas (Dr Phil, Joe Biden and Co) sing chorus, do little fire dance.
This is the future….get with the program.
The CDC recently published its survey of sexual assault in 2011. The document shows about 1.6 million male victims and 1.6 million female victims of sexual per year. The reason that the numbers are so high is the definition of sexual assault was very broad.
As MRAs, we should start asking feminists if they think that EVERY YEAR 1.6 million young women should be sent to prison for 20 years. We should remind them that, when the first woman is released in 2032, approximately 25% of the female population will be incarcerated. We should ask them where the fuck they immagine that this madness is taking us. We should ask them where they think the federal government will find 6.6 trillion dollars per year to pay incarceration costs for 64 million americans by the year 2030.
That’s easy:
Men in the male prisons working in dangerous jobs to maintain the standard of living the women have become accustomed to The State providing.
Sorry… couldn’t help it.
Sorry to disappoint you. Certainly lots of the men who were assaulted were assaulted by men. Still, do you have the link and citation to the CDC report?
Did they put up the same silly standards for men as for women? Because most men I know have been victims of sexual assault or rape, of girl friends who would not take “no” for an answer when they were tired of sex. Or victims of violence when women slapped them.
There also is another issue:
Women are discriminated against in jail. There should be quotas so women get their rightful percentage of 51% of seats on death row and in the prison population in general.
http://human-stupidity.com/science/evolution-psychology-darwin/male-reproductivelosers-overlooked-by-feminists
Anyway, a woman who “rapes” a guy, who has sex with a guy who says “no”, will get lower sentencing then a man who does minor transgressions like to grab a woman’s ass. Forgot about the pussy pass?
Yeah, but most of the female victims of violence weren’t. They were victims of something feminists have branded as violence. This is how it works.
Question. Has a man ever made you feel upset,
Answer. Yes
Conclusion. Victim of violence.
Question to man. Has a woman ever drugged you, and shot you in the head twelve times while you slept.
Answer 1. No
Conclusion. Not victim of violence.
Answer 2. Yes
Conclusion. Woman is victim of violence and reacting in self-defense.
Alternative response to Answer 2.
How about drugged you and shot you thirteen times in the head while you slept.
How about tied you up, reamed your ass out with a post hole borer, cut your cock off with a blow torch, run you slowly feet first through a meat mincer while keeping you alive on life support and blood transfusions, and feeding the output back through a pipe into your mouth, mixed with turds and washed down with dogs piss. Same dog you were forced to watch eat your cock just before.
Answer……..We’ll…..eerrrrr…..yes actually.
Conclusion…..you must have done something really really bad to her.
Stu – You are a typical male product of the patriarchy.
That description of violence could only have come from the disgusting reptilian mid brain of a “Y Chromo”.
We here at Camp Fembo do not like you, but some of us here believe your imaginations can better be initiated right here with us in application of our determined intentions revealed by that traitor ‘Agent Orange’.
We have money, and the vote is to extend a business contract your way in order for you to author future scenarios for us.
You can contact us on:
http://www.worldgov./welove/tokillblokes/forfun/fuckyou/
Matriarchy ! Hurrah !
Sistas with our fists is HIGH !
Kill the men, kill the men.
Matriarchy ! Hurrah !
Wow. A lot of misplaced anger here. Women rule the world? Really? What world are you living in? Bizarro world?!!!!
This article really spun the spectacularly ridiculous web. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between something being presented as a school policy on a college campus, and something being signed into Federal law.
So rape should be what the man thinks it is? Therefore the 21 year old frat boy that says ‘Sure she was drunk and stumbling and when she passed out I took off her clothes and penetrated her, but hey, if she didn’t want it she wouldn’t have been drunk while I’m around’ – Yep. That boy is NOT A RAPIST. Why? Because he doesn’t think what he did is rape. There ya go.
These kind of sites are just sad. Even sadder are the men who take part in this crap. Female bashing is as sad as male bashing. If not sadder because men rule the world unequivocally. Please, keep your bullshit statistics to yourself. No one is buying that bridge.
Go ahead and blame your lack of ability to have a semi-decent relationship with even one female in your life as the fault of ‘feminists’. Much easier than taking a good long look in the mirror and realizing you may need some serious mental help.
Nobody said rape is what you’re suggesting with your spiteful misandric invective.
I think what’s really sad is your kind of comment.
BTW I’m looking in the mirror and I like what I see – a rational man who has enough self respect to be MGHOW and keep the company of other grounded MRA folks.
Why even bother pulling the idea of MRA not having a semi decent relationship with a single woman out of your arse. You haven’t got enough insight into folks lives to make such an arrogant claim. I’ll bet you haven’t even met 5% of the writers who post here.
If you were respectful you’d ask how our relationships with women are, rather than make such a pathetic and hostile claim.
Besides which you apparently haven’t even the gumption to realize that creating a healthy distance between oneself and many women in the feminist zeitgeist is for allot of us guys a very sensible mature way to go.
But hey, you are ‘Pitbull’ after all……. hahahahahaha………..gosh so tough………..
so scary……………..so all knowing and wise……………and blessed are we because wonder of wonders ….you are here to chasten us errant MRA with your tough yet wise words…………….
Jeese, ‘Pitbull’ eh?
now I reckon that’s a fricken sad sad name for a sad sad keyboard stroker sending a sad sad message.
Why would anyone, not suffering from some kind of masochistic disorder, want any of the women that are spewed out of misandric womens studies, in the hundreds of thousands every year?
The answer is placed right in front of you..
Because anyone who considered themselves a human being, with the same basic human rights as anyone else, would throw up after listening to your kind of misandric bigotry for just one minute. And that is basically all we hear from the media or from women, nowadays, so we walk through life feeling sick to our stomach for long periods of time, you see.
A lot of ‘what if’s’ and misplaced anger in that entry of yours. And the BIG DIFFERENCE you are talking about? -No, there’s not. Not if you’ve been around long enough to see that those policies are being tried out using colleges as testing grounds, before they become actual laws. But you don’t sound old enough to know very much about life, apart from what you’ve been told in womens studies classes. So might I suggest that you go out and get some real-life experiences, before you ride in on that high and mighty judgemental horse of yours on a MEN’S forum, and pass your special bigoted brand of judgement on people you don’t really know?
Until then, -go watch the cartoons or go fuck yourself. -Whatever comes naturally first.
Armpit you bloody well shut up you hear. I mean Armbull, no Pitarm…. yeah you.
You just bloody well shut up and I tell you why, you gotta listen to me and shut up at the same time see.
About me see, last week I kissed a girl on the lips three times. I mean right on the lips and I even stuck my tongue in and at the very same time played around with her norks. That’s right, her norks. You know, them round soft things that make ya willy wisser go stiff. Them.
Anyway, so there I was see, she didn’t mind at all, not one bit and when she woke up I told her and everything see.
I told her about the norks and the lips and tongue see and she smiled and said it was cool.
She even went to the dean to talk about it just now and I reckon she might be setting me up for a fall. She might be trying to topple the government of my mind but I don’t care you know why ?
I got it all on video that’s why, and in the video she doesn’t stop me jiggling them norks at all see.
I was going to upload it on
http://www.ifeltupachicksothere.com and I still will, but now I’m going to show it to the dean as proof of me not raping her and stuff.
I got strong white teeth, I can flip a pancake three times in the air without the olives and the sardines falling off and last but not the least see, I got another gift I’m gonna tell you about.
When I get nervous I flop out me bloody trouser anaconda ( that’s a big snake with fangs dripping with period blood ) and spin it about so it’s just like a propeller on one of them Florida everglade fan boats as seen in that TV show ‘Gentle Ben’. When I do that all the competition run leaving all the chicks looking at me in awe.
It’s a gift and it’s natural like grass and flowers and sunsets and I am the envy of all here on this site and we discuss it quite a bit really.
Another thing Mr Angry Dog, I mean M.A.D, none of us here are angry, no way. We feel calm as soft rain just thinking about how all our girlfriends get together and squabble about who is going to get us drinks and new remote controls for our TV’s and who is going to do the best foot rubs for us. We love chicks and how they do this for us. No way are we angry.
So anyway, apart from all that I like that you came here and gave us a really interesting and new message and it made me think I don’t care if you’re a chick or a bloke your post just turned me on, so here’s my genuine offer.
Call me on 555 FUC KYOU.
You sound like a female apologist or a feminist driven female with a reply like that. If you are male, when you get totally stiffed by an over privileged, modern excuse for a female in future, you’ll remember us here at AVFM…and we will be able to have a splendid laugh at your expense and say we did warn you. It’s only a matter of time if you choose to ignore the myriad of extensive, positive information here.
Merlin yes ! The post of the week.
Precise and not a word wasted – love that pen brother.
P.S.
I did give him my phone number and have not heard anything yet.
There was some heavy breathing from a few calls but that might have been from one of the hundreds of oppressed chicks calling me who are shy and thinking of my ridiculously enormous unfurled and whirling about penis.
From the looks of her email addy, this is a female feminist. I gave her a chance to cut the bullshit and start a dialogue, but she blew it. So, I nixed her.
If she wants to email me an apology to Mr. Harlan, and all the other men who have ever lived on earth, I will consider lifting the ban.
REPLY TO PITBULL: I wrote the post, and don’t know which I find more amusing: your singularly misplaced anger, or your lack of understanding of these important issues.
Let’s get a few things straight. Rape is not an opinion poll. Rape is not a guessing game. Rape is not a college woman, or man, making it up as they go. Rape is not a free-floating clearinghouse to redress every less than satisfactory sexual encounter. This is true under federal law, under state law, under local municipal law, under the policies colleges use to punish rapists, and under any law where due process is required. Only in some extremist feminist fantasyland is this not so.
It is especially amusing how you insist that fundamental due process doesn’t apply to colleges. So colleges can do what they want without the federal government dictating to them? Really? Tell that to the Dept. of Education — you, of course, know that last April, it told colleges to lower their standards of proof in sex cases, due to what Hans Bader calls a misreading of Federal Title IX law. But, of course, you would know that, you being a feminist and all. You are automatically an expert on rape.
Pitbull writes: “So rape should be what the man thinks it is?”
I haven’t seen so much straw man since Dororthy met up with Ray Bolger on the Yellow Brick Road. Thanks for twisting what I said beyond all recognition. But, in your defense, I don’t blame you: it’s the only way you can “win” an argument. The college man’s subjective beliefs are as irrelevant as the college woman’s, and anyone who follows False Rape Society knows that.
Pitbull writes: “Go ahead and blame your lack of ability to have a semi-decent relationship with even one female in your life as the fault of ‘feminists’. Much easier than taking a good long look in the mirror and realizing you may need some serious mental help.”
I’ve been happily married for many, many years. In my practice, I’ve represented women who’ve been abused, and even a woman who was falsely accused of a sex act. I raise awareness for the wrongly accused as a service to them. They not only have to deal with their false accusers, and a legal system that treats them as less deserving of rights than other criminal defendants, and a news media that loves a rape accusation almost as much as a snowstorm — they also have to deal with screeching, hateful, and, yes, stupid people like you. Your uninformed, angry blather isn’t worthy of serious refutation.
You’re a prime example of a brainwashed feminist……all emotion, no reason.
You make an assumption that the guys here couldn’t possibly have any good relationships with women. Well I’m in a defacto relationship. I also have a number of close female friends, most of which have been fuck buddies at some point and some I’ve known for 10 or 15 years.
Paul Elam, the founder of AVFM, has partner of more then 10 years. And I know others on this site that are in relationships, or doing quite well with the ladies.
We know that not all woman are like that…..man hating feminists that is…….like you. But we also know that most are not worth knowing, especially in the legal environment we live in today.
Anyone can find the background of this story? I bet this was consensual sex with a minor, or at least something different from violent forcible gang rape (which we are led on to believe has happened)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/03/italian-court-gang-rape-jailed
Italian court rules men convicted of gang rape do not have to be jailed
Supreme court triggers outrage by upholding decision to annul jail sentence of two 19-year-olds who raped 16-year-old
The author also mentions the denim defense, where a man was acquitted of rape because she wore tight jeans. Again, I am sure there was no substantial proof that he had committed forcible rape in the first place.
To Pierce Harlan,
Thanks for your reply.
There was no anger in my previous posting, despite how others may perceive it, only astonishment at the misguided ideas spouted here.
I was very clear that rape is not the matter of opinion.
My ‘amusing’ insistence that due process doesn’t apply to colleges is mere fact. Do your research and find out how many, many, actual forcible rapes – use of rohypnol, physical violence, etc. – take place on college campuses every year that go unreported. The case of Jerry Sandusky alone speaks to how far a university will go to cover their ass and good name.
As far as ‘Rape should be what the man thinks it is’ that wasn’t referring so much to your article as it was to a number of comments, but sure I’ll take that on. I don’t need to ‘win’ this argument as there is nothing to win. Surely there can’t be one with a soul among us that believes when it comes to a crime as heinous as rape there is anything to ‘win’? Spouting phrases like ‘False Rape Society’ don’t make your argument any more valid. It does however make your lack of an open mind blatantly apparent.
Again, ‘lack of ability to have a semi-decent relationship with even one female’ – speaking to various commenters, not you in particular.
I’m thrilled that you are happily married. I thank you for you work on behalf of women. Truly. I also thank you for your work on behalf of men.
Now sadly you have deteriorated to insults. Awwww.
If you bothered to read what I wrote originally without your knee-jerk reaction to anything that disagrees with the whole ‘all men are victims’ mentality, perhaps it wouldn’t have come to that.
I really don’t know what it is you are all so up in arms about. You stated your opinion, I stated mine. That’s all.
To those going on and on about the name: I rescue and raise Pit Bull’s. That’s all. But your conjecture and projection has been very amusing. Thanks for that!
Interesting that you find it worthwhile to rescue a breed of dogs that attacks and kills a lot of children every year, on a global scale, but your empathy does not extend to include males falsely accused of a hideous crime like rape.
“These kind of sites are just sad. Even sadder are the men who take part in this crap. Female bashing is as sad as male bashing. If not sadder because men rule the world unequivocally. Please, keep your bullshit statistics to yourself. No one is buying that bridge.
Go ahead and blame your lack of ability to have a semi-decent relationship with even one female in your life as the fault of ‘feminists’. Much easier than taking a good long look in the mirror and realizing you may need some serious mental help.”
And you don’t know what anyone is up in arms about!
Jesus on a skateboard…..you actually need that spelt out?
OK. here goes I’ll ‘entertain’ you some more.
1. This site is not sad as you describe it, nor are those involved. Your projected reaction to something you disagree with is one of sadness that’s all. I’m actually delighted with this site and most of those involved. That’s about as removed from ‘sad’ as it gets. But you didn’t have the respect to ask others if they felt the same way as you – you just projected.
2. Your trying to spread the meme that “men rule the wold unequivocally” on a site with scores of Men’s Rights advocates many guys scarred horrendously badly due to institutionalized misandry amidst a feminist zeitgeist …….. and you don’t expect reaction? That’s incredibly, horribly, cruel and inflammatory.
3. You blithely dismiss statistics as irrelevant because they don’t fit your views then try to shame men for being wary of many women due to feminism. Then to top it off you suggest such wary men are mentally sick and lack personal insight.
Wow!
The insensitivity is breath taking.
Now I’ll share another thing with you Pit bull.
Reading your comments I DO feel sad.
Pitbull,
You said this in your introductory post, “Much easier than taking a good long look in the mirror and realizing you may need some serious mental help.”
..and now to Pierce Harlan you said, “Now sadly you have deteriorated to insults. Awwww.”
No need to explain, we get it, you like all feminists can never stay on track with good debating skills.
Furthermore, I spin my willy in your direction and laugh whilst poking a digit up my snout.
You are to be commended for your work rescuing pit bulls.
However, the same can’t be said for us as PB’s silly postings are her own reward
‘There once was a bigoted Troll,
which the sufferin’ of men just left cold.
But she loved rabid dogs,
took ‘em out on cozy walks,
Untill Elam knocked her off with a pole.’
Mr Kimski you inspire, and here is my offering in the wake of your lyrical gem.
A clown they called Pitbull from Brunt.
Performed the incredible stunt.
Of taking a dive.
On a thread much alive.
For her brain was a pus ridden verbose compacted mass of neural ganglia of entorhinal activity with a projection through a four membered pathway of the hippocampal formation along a slice or lamella.
Shit ! Sorry. I got too pissed off at the end and forgot what the last word might have been.
Suggestions please.
ROFLMAO.
Ehh..-What’s that word I’m looking for..-hmm…
Dr. F, please have my children!
“I really don’t know what it is you are all so up in arms about.” Ms Pitbull
Of course you don’t – that’s is the core of the problem. You create a hypothetical ‘fratboy’ and then cram your head into his fictional skull in order to speak for him. If this doesn’t strike you as desperate and deranged, then you need some serious help.
Your inability to fathom the idea that protecting men from false rape allegations is not the same as attacking and hating women reveals much about your ideology. So does your joy in berating men who challenge your misandrist bigotry as pathetic losers. Feminism has conditioned you to view men as either rape-happy fratboys or basement-dwelling dweebs. It has rendered you incapable of having a healthy relationship with any man. You’ve been lesbianized beyond repair.
You do serve a purpose. You remind us that logic will never work with blathering hordes of ignorant cretins like you. If only you knew how many people like you have trolled before us to demonstrate their hostility to men’s rights. Your the heavy metal version of the concern troll.
Your incomprehension of justice, morality and objective truth should be shocking, but it is now yawn-inducingly predictable. Now, that is what’s really sad.
Thank you for your contribution.
AndyBob,
Femənism is a complətə shambləs.
Welcome Zorro,
I have missed the swish of your cutlass today and you did not disappoint.
All the more humorous are the comments made after she was banned. In part they read:
– “Yes I agree that ‘Men – particularly working class men go to war because they’re coerced, or drafted for the benefit of the elite,’ because of the MALE ELITE.”
…and:
– “To Paul Elam: If you had something valid to say you would have said it wouldn’t you? But you didn’t because you have nothing. So yea, go home.”
…also:
– “Also, if you bothered to do any research, you would know that many women dressed as men so they could fight right along with their brothers and husbands. As far back as the revolutionary war is what we have hard data on and I’d bet it goes far further back than just that.”
…not to miss this:
– “I know all about white feather campaigns and have no doubt it was largely encouraged by your male elite brethren. ”
Blocked, and now craftily uses the moniker “StillSavingPitts” continues screeching into the net vacuole with this:
– “Well it seems I’ve been blocked form posting. AWWWWWW. Just when the blatant ignorance was getting to be so much fun to read! Such a shame.”
…and almost lastly:
– “If you ever bother to wake up and smell the coffee, feel free to give the male ruling elite a good hard kick in the pants for me!”
Now, at this point like me you’d think it sucked the end of it’s tail and mooched off. Nope. There was one more post and I will paste it here in it’s entirety:
– “Still sad.”
Well I disagree as I thought it was very funny indeed.