Gentlemen and Ladies, may I have your attention please.
Eve Ensler is over it. She’s over the whole rape thing. Brother, she’s over, shes O-V-A-H![1]
In her own words “I am over rape. I am over rape culture, rape mentality, rape pages on Facebook.”
Ensler is the feminist activist and writer, sometimes remembered for her authorship of The Vagina Monologues. The stage show in which a 13 year old girl is raped by a 24 year old woman, then utters the words “well, I say if it was rape, it was a good rape.”[2]
Well. That was a short article. Thanks for reading it.
It might be that Ensler isn’t exactly over rape. After all, she’s just devoted 847 words to declaring, over and over just how over it she is. But I’m not buying it. She does, after all use the word rape 31 times in her HuffPo piece. The article is almost 4% rape by word count.
Ensler indirectly tells us what she’s really doing by mention of several things she’s “over”.
“I am over Facebook taking weeks to take down rape pages.”
Because that’s bad rape, not good rape.
She makes no mention of the facebook, cafemom and other community webpages where male sexual mutilation and murder are celebrated, and where those pages remain online.
She’s also “over” the /hundreds of thousands/ (no citation for that number) of women raped in the Congo. “still waiting for the rapes to end and the rapists to be held accountable.” Again, thats women raped, so that would be bad rape, not good rape. However, no discussion of rape’s application of a weapon of war can be undertaken without noting that men are routinely raped in wars on the African continent[3][4][5][6][7][8]. Ensler makes no mention of it, so I guess that’s good rape too.
But she’s over the thousands of WOMEN in Bosnia, Burma, Pakistan, South Africa, Guatemala, Sierra Leone, Haiti, Afghanistan, Libya [..] still waiting for justice.
She’s also over the 1-in-3 women in the U.S military getting raped by their comrades. She doesn’t cite a source for that number – of course, which likely means she made it up.
She’s also, apparently “over women still being silent about rape”. You know, like mentioning rape in the Congo and completely omitting note of any victim besides women. Or completely failing to mention in an article in which the word rape makes up 4% of the total word count – and omitting that twice as many men are raped in american prisons than women are raped in the entire United States[9][10].
So if Ensler is not “over” rape, as appears to be the case, mentioning it 31 times in only 847 words – what’s really going on? She certainly appears to be deliberately omit mention of any victims besides women.
To make myself clear, I’m not raising the issue of male victims of rape to engage in a puerile victimhood-olympics. I’m making a different point.
There is a principal, known in law and in rhetoric called Expressio Unius Est Exclusio Alterius[11]. It means Expression of the part excludes consideration of the whole.
For Eve Ensler, there’s good rape, and there’s bad rape. Good rape ( I’m just guessing here ) would be the kind when a frivolous accusation of a college student destroys a man’s academic and professional career after consensual sex. [12]
In fact, thanks to the legal innovations of ideologues like Ensler, the ultimate trump card of politicizing the personal bypasses the legal checks and balances traditional in western law. Habeas corpus, the presumption of innocence, the right to face one’s accuser – these are fast becoming relics of history. Monologuing feminists like Eve lack the phsyical appendage they so incorrectly equate with male agency, and conduct their own acts of rape by proxy, using the courts. A false rape accusation is an act of malicious sexual violence which lasts a lifetime. It is rape.
Eve Ensler comes close to admitting that her obsession with rape is not outrage over injury to herself or those she cares about. She is jealous of the rapist.
“And thinking about rape every day of my life since I was 5-years-old”
Because as she wrote back in 1996 – there is bad rapes, and good rape.
“well, I say if it was rape, it was a good rape.”[2]
Her HuffPo piece throws un-cited stats around with carefree abandon, so here’s one more from Ensler.
“There are approximately one billion women on the planet who have been violated.”
Why not a trillion?
As mentioned in previous discussions on this site – the number doesn’t matter. Ensler’s lie is built into the structure of her claim. Its not that [some number] of women are rape, or violated, or pressed into soilent green biscuits – it’s that it she provides no context.
[Some number] of women are [forced to drink bleach] ! This creates moral panic. But it doesn’t mean anything. Is the number a lot? Or a little? We cant compare, because there’s no context.
How many men are victimized? That would be context. The lie is built in.
But getting back to Ensler’s obsession with rape. She loves it. She loves the power that being a victim demographic brings her, and as she very nearly stated in explicit terms, her fantasy is to rape, which is why she’s announcing that the war against male sexual agency is ramping up. Not war against rape – no. That would require compassion for victims, honest discussion of the reciprocal nature of partner violence, and it would require deviating from simple and easy narrative that women are victims, and men are just plain bad.
Ensler’s escalation is an embrace of rape by proxy, the disposal of due process, the weaponization of accusation and the sanctity of fabricated victimhood.
Ensler asks a rhetorical question near the end of her declaration. She says “I am over the passivity of good men. Where the hell are you?”
Right here Eve, and you’ll find we’re anything but passive.
[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/over-it_b_1089013.html?mid=52
[2] http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/mcelroy2.html
[3] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/africa/05congo.html
[4] http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men
[5] http://www.msmagazine.com/spring2005/congo.asp
[6] http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/the-greatest-silence-rape-in-the-congo/index.html
[7] http://www.care2.com/causes/rape-tactic-of-war-in-the-congo-finds-new-victims-men.html
[8] http://www.newser.com/story/66130/congos-new-horror-men-raping-men.html
[9] http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report1.html#_1_5
[10] http://www.spr.org/pdf/struckman.pdf
[11] http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/E/ExpressioUniusEstExclusioAlterius.aspx
[12] http://thefire.org/article/13758.html
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JTO,
She also pulls out the famous 1 in 3 statistic.without I might add pointing us to the data that supports this factoid.
Perhaps it was in the monologue her vagina whispered to her and that was all the proof she needed.
“I am over violence against women not being a #1 international priority when one out of three women will be raped or beaten in her lifetime — the destruction and muting and undermining of women is the destruction of life itself.
No women, no future, duh.”
Ensler fails completely to mention the other side of the coin No Men no future.
Actually no men no civilization. No men no whipping post for the current radgirls. No men ______ ( fill in the blank ) the list goes on and on.
“But I’m not buying it. She does, after all use the word rape 31 times in her HuffPo piece. The article is almost 4% rape by word count.”
More like 1 in 4 I think, John.
When Ensler wrote “The Muffalogues” was she overwhelmed overnight by an overtly receptive crowd ? If she didn’t prepare for that then it must have been an oversight.
Over this and over that… well aren’t we all ?
Like any loud mouthed femster with a knapsack full of tissues and a megaphone strapped to her gob she will never be over the sound of her Jack-boots stomping on planks of glossy and well lit stage floor.
No doubt about it, this lass is there because it’s fun. I think she by her actions can teach the rest of us how to have a jolly good time like that. You like fun don’t you ?
Ok, so here’s what you do… find a cause that is so popular that detractors are scorned, dress up the drama.. any drama that suits it and hit those lights.
Beat your chest and hoot and howl. Get right into it, arch your head back and really let one out at the moon.
The next step is to wait for the audience to howl and-a-holler with you and then rise an inch above them with your passion and howl even louder.
Right, got it, now what can my cause be ? …hhmmmm Yes ! I know… I’m going to whoop up the crowds about the issue of left handed crippled lesbian black whales.
That’s right and I’ve written the play called “The Whale-alogues” and it’s going to be a hit.
Footnote:
The author of this post is now touring the world signing books from his limo and is giving talks at anti anti left handed black crippled lesbian whale seminars. He has successfully impugned the entire country of Japanese citizens to the point where they themselves can be legally hunted.
Doctor motherfucking Eff! – welcome back man!
He’s baaaaaaack.
It’s about time.
Can you be mad and worried at the same time?
I was.
Welcome back, Dr. F!
Don’t do that again. You were really missed here.
Good ole Izzey,
Missed you too mate and you no be mad and no you be worried anymore.
Okay
Ta mate
The new Gravitar is here! Thanks. And you have a t-shirt coming from Paul…..
…and a flaming big ta to you to Mr Bombay.
I’ll wear that shirt on the next “Studwalk”.
Dude, we were sending out SOS signals for you on the radio show. Glad to see you still walk in the land of the living!
Thanks Mr Paul,
I have two uninterrupted weeks of holiday time and I’m in a great big empty house and loving it to bits.
Remember that project we spoke of briefly,.. well right now is the time for it to be realised for sure.
It’s important that we discuss this via Skype instead of email.
I thought saying it to you here is a good way to get your attention and at the same time generate a bit of mystery.
As you know it does concern all, and apart from that Dr F. is a narcissist who talks in the third person and he likes the attention anyway. (giggle)
So, you reckon you can shoot me an email so we can arrange this Skype thingy ? It will be my call to you by the way.
P.S.
I won’t even charge you much for it also.
P.P.S.
I sent you an email first so I’m the winner.
Welcome back Doc!
Good to see your smiley Grav Mr Tim man.
Welcome back Dr. F. My last email to you (it was a while back now) kicked back to me. It could have been a bad organizational mistake on my part. Anyhow, the email was regarding an article you were researching. If you are still working on it, give me a shout.
Jade thanks,
I have put the article on a back burner for a wee bit but interestingly since we last emailed an incident occured in my family which has changed the article from the ground up.
I’m taking you up on your offer and will draw upon material you send me.
Can you in the meantime resend the bounced letter,, ta.
It’s doubtful whether someone who allegedly has been thinking about rape since the age of 5 and later in supposed adult years waxes triumphantly on about female genitalia is finished carrying on about either.
Still, better the romance with talking vaginas be left behind as distant memories during the waning years.
And the forcing of homosexual sex upon un-willing 15 year old girls as entertainment to the masses can’t be much of a pleasant memory as well or a hallmark upon any culture at any time. But, oh, the rage.
Personally, I wouldn’t claim an equality with such a being seeing as what she’s espoused over the years.
My free expression doesn’t include discussion of favoured ‘rape’ upon 15 year old girls or a vagina that never ceases talking.
But, hey, all that yeasty talk hasn’t infected her laughing bank account. Only the minds of those gulled by fashion have been.
“I am over the passivity of good men. Where the hell are you?”
How fucking incongruous.
I am a feminist….where are my white knights?
Puking here….but I’ll get “over it”
Relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K30
MCS
Very relevant. Good post.
Karvunidis….are you paying attention?
I have come to the conclusion that Feminist writing is like a never ending chant in the Temple of Rape. The constant mentioning of rape in instances, and in contexts that have no or marginal relation to actual rape is pathological.
Couldn’t let this one rest:
There is a principal, known in law and in rhetoric called Expressio Unius Est Exclusio Alterius[11]. It means Expression of the part excludes consideration of the whole.
– Thanks to JtO for bringing the above into discussion.
That concept above is most useful for describing the nature of feminism since its inception. Ruthlessly focus upon self only as though it were the entire big social picture and leave out the other main piece.
With comparatively little effort feminists have perfected the acquisition of man’s achievements to an almost craft expertise. Wanting and acquiring what common men have labouriously worked for without actually working equally for it.
All this while willfully ignoring the true condition of the quality and state of man’s collective lives and demanding limited attention to their own and refusing to know otherwise. Exclude considering the whole for the preference of a part.
How astounding it was that 1980s feminists crowed loudly over considering their cul de sac ‘equality’ doctrine as being ‘holistic’ yet saw only their small part being the significant whole. At least the contemporary feminist is a little more honest in their thieving intentions by outwardly claiming ‘equality’ to men by eliminating men altogether from the equation.
For feminism of both eras it’s long overdue to put an end to their collective fraudulences.
She’s over it all, because the deceit and lies are now beneath her… wait a sec..
*continues reading*
Nope, nevermind that.
“And thinking about rape every day of my life since I was 5-years-old”
How the flying F does any modern grrrl maintain that kind of focus? The ones I know and have conversation with are like butterflies flitting from one subject to another as if philosophy and Socrates were-”oooh shiny!”
There is another word that also occurs 31 times in the article and it points to something else about MS Ensler. (Hint: it is a pronoun.)
BTdubbs: “principle”, not “principal”
“I am over violence against women not being a #1 international priority.”
I mean seriously, women having coerced sex should be elevated above war, hunger, poverty, disease, and global warming as an international issue?
“the destruction of women is the destruction of life itself.”
Hyperbole. The kind of “violence” women are subjected to rarely kills them, unlike violence against men.
Really, the phrase “violence against women” is one of inherent misandry. Anyone who uses it is most likely a misandrist.
Eve Ensler nor anyone else who uses this phrase bothers to give any explanation for why violence against women is so much more horrifying than the vastly more common violence against men. The only explanation one can infer from it is that female life is intrinsically more valuable than male life to these people.
What to call a person who holds such a belief? A female supremacist. Or, a feminist.
Rape is not ‘violence’ at all. As one of the posts in Ensler’s article mentions very few women suffer serious physical injury from rape. Rape is a SEX crime which involves the ROBBERY of sex and rarely involves violence for violence’s sake.
By constantly harping on the lie that rape is about violence and power but not sex, feminists falsely scapegoat males for violence but ignore the huge role that female vice plays in rape. This is cunning ploy plays right into their hands as long as men buy the double-bind lie.
The reality is that as soon as the successfully rapist robs sex from her/his mark, violence is useless other than to possibly conceal the crime. There’s also no reason to apply more than the minimum needed violence or threat of violence before or during the rape because additional violence doesn’t make the sex (rape) better. Unlike murder or torture (which are real crimes of violence/power) in rape violence is neither an end nor the primary means to an end. Rape is accomplished primary by sex organs rather than by tools of violence. The object is rob the sex, not destroy the sex POT or the sex POST.
Laura Kipnis does say why violence is more horrifying to women. Men suffer 20x more violence than do women but women FEAR violence far more than men do. Feminists project this fear onto men in wildly inflated ways partly because they DO fear violence more than we do and partly because the feebleminded fear inflation racket is so profitable.
What do I call people who hold this belief? Idiots. Sadly idiots tend to predominate today if the Over It postings are any indication.
The word rape, as feminists use it, means nothing. It’s anything a woman says it is. The opposite of rape, is rape, if a woman says it is.
When we are talking about real rape, the type that sane people mean when they use the word rape, we are talking about violence or force being used in order to obtain that which the rapist wants…..in the same way a mugger uses it to obtain the money he wants to steal from you. The purpose of the crime is to obtain the money……not the violence itself. It’s the same with rape…..the purpose…..the motivation is to obtain the sex. Yes….a rapist wants the sex and that is why he rapes…….period. Sure there might be the odd occasion when a rapist rapes someone because he wants to make them feel really crappy…….or exercise power over them….just as there might be times when a robber might steal something from someone for the sake of depriving them of the article…..not because they really want it…..but they are the exception.
Most real rapes……the only rapes that are rapes as far as I’m concerned…..happen because the rapist wants to fuck the woman….he’s motivated by lust and desire….for sex.
But that is just too obvious for some people to believe. They have to twist reality to suit their ideology and agenda.
I agree with Primal and Stu. I certainly do not support rapists. But part of rape hysteria is not only the inflation of the number of rapes, but exaggeration of the harmfulness of the crime itself.
Men have allowed feminists and women in general to elevate this crime above all others to the point that rape is considered worse than murder in many people’s minds.
If we are going to combat rape hysteria, we have to address the exaggerated language feminists use to describe the crime itself, and also to dispel myths about it. What kind of language am I referring to? Terms like “rape survivor”, “rape crisis”, “special victims”, and “rape & power”.
The term “survivor” when referring to rape victims is insulting to real survivors. People around the world have lived through a lot of awful shit and gone on to live productive lives in spite of it.
I’m talking about people who have lived through war, natural disasters, and famine. I’m talking about the little kids who survived the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I’m talking about concentration camp survivors.
Of course, a lot of mental trauma is done to many rape victims, but the “survivor” term is inappropriate. There’s nothing special about rape victims.
I also still believe that rape of men and children is a far more serious crime than rape of adult women, and we should treat it as such.
Women are all having sex consensually nowadays. What is the difference if they have to give away one or two that they’d rather not? I fail to see why it’s such a big deal.
In my opinion, in addition to exposing phony rape allegations, we should begin diminishing the significance of the crime itself.
For some reason, it won’t let me reply to Mark, so I’ll put it here.
The mental trauma, in a lot of cases, I think is imposed on the person raped. And not by the rapist, but by the “rape industry”, that for some reason, speaks for all those raped (except men of course). How many articles do you see the statement, “a victim of rape feels….”. How presumptuous of those in the industry (primarily feminists), who, for so long now, have said that they are fighting for women to have thier own voice, and then turn around and tell rape victims how they feel.
Typhonblue jumps all over those people for trying to tell her how she feels. Girlwriteswhat on reddit does the same (TB as a rape victim and gww as an attempted). This is one of the big lies of feminist advocacy on rape. They insist that they know how all victims feel, and rarely, if ever, listen to the actual victim, while saying the victims need to be heard.
@Mark
Survivors of rape, both men and women, may disagree with you about the harmfulness of their experience. You can survive concentration camp, you can survive war and famine, and you can also survive a brutal attack on your person, including rape.
It certainly can be violent! Look at prison rape! Tell the guy with 10 stiches on his anus that it’s not violent. Just sayin, that’s a big assumption. If you do not want to have the sex and you ‘fight’ the person off, it turns violent.
Research (read The Women Racket’s chapter on rape) shows that ridiculous feminist ‘rape culture’ hysteria/fear mongering far outweighs the relatively mild symptoms (both physical and psychological) that (grown) women suffer from rape. Rape in most cases doesn’t even come close to concentration camps or war in terms of serious suffering. Rape is NOT a crime worse than death. Rape is NOT a crime worse than most other serious crimes either. Suffering men (who suffer 20x more serious violence) than do women deserve to be front and center in terms of the ‘harmfulness of their experiences” rather than the pampered princesses who benefit from the bigoted VAWA-funded rape crisis racket.
To clarify, rape is not (generally) ABOUT violence. Rape is about SEX first and foremost. Stu’s post above says it best.
Women often prefer to use vice to rape others. Men often prefer to use violence or the threat of violence to rape others. In both cases, vice and violence are a means to the end (SEX), rather than the primary motivation for the crime.
Sometimes female or male rapists are sexual sadists in which case, SEX and VICE or SEX and VIOLENCE are BOTH ends of the crime. Most rapists, female and male, are simply looking to steal sex from someone with the least risk possible. Most rapists as far as I know, do NOT inflict serious physical damage NOR do so to terrorize/torture the sufferer beyond that which is needed to commit/conceal the crime.
Gosh, how wrong you are. Rape is violence. You state in your post,”Unlike murder or torture (which are real crimes of violence/power)” This statement suggests that you understand that a “real crime,” as you call it involves the use of power. Well all male on female rapes necessarily involves the overpowering of the victim. Men are much stronger and more powerful then women. And yes, women do fear violence more than men. One of the differencies between men and women that I believe, is that men are truly free beings…. Men can stroll down the street at 3:00am without a care for the most part. They can wear whatever they like. No one is going to claim their clothing lead them to be the victim of any crime. However, women’s lives are a bit different. You will never catch me walking alone at 3:00am, its just too risky. If I had to be out at 3:00am it would only be acceptable to me if i where with a group of people or my husband, a man (yes I want protection). I remember years ago hearing about the Central Park Jogger rape and saying to myself,”what the hell was she doing jogging through Central Park at night. How stupid can you be.” Some may not think those types of thoughts are fair. But still, its what I thought. (Note: the victim in the Central Park jogger rape was beaten to near death and still suffers from her injuries.) Parking garages at dusk are frightening places when you are a women. I am always cognizant of whether my attire is appropriate for where I’m going and how late I will be out. The world is a different place for you when half of the population is bigger and stronger than you. When a man is attacked by another man there is always a 50:50 chance that he could win the fight. I would hardly call myself a feminist. I actually began prowling men’s rights websites looking for information helpful for my brothers divorce. It’s been interesting to read some of the views that men have about women. But, a fail to understand the need of these men’s rights sites to express the view that,”men are bigger victims then women.” Hell, my goal is to not be a victim, is there something wrong with me? I responded to your post because you suggest than rape is an insignificant crime. Cleary, nothing is worse than murder, but for a women rape is second. If you want my purse just take it but please please don’t invade my body. Other than killing me there is no other invasion of my soul greater than that. I agree that the rape culture has gone too far and that there are far too many false allegations of rape. But, don’t believe that rape is not incredibly harmful and hurtful. Rape is a “real crime.” Trivializing its significance isn’t helpful to female or male victims of rape.
Many men are bigger or more well armed that other men. Smart men do not go jogging or walking alone at 3:00 AM. Many men do carry concealed weapons for just this reason. Stop playing the victim card.
And a much higher percentage of violent crime is perpetrated against men. It seems you are safer being a woman. Go figure.
Your feelings tell you that you are at greater risk of violence by being a woman. You are not, you are at less risk. The fact that most men are bigger and stronger than you means nothing, because most men are your protectors, not attackers. On the other hand, a man can not count on other men rushing to his rescue.
In fact…you might think that walking with your man at 3am is him providing you with protection…..but it’s not….it’s you providing him with protection…..because a man with a woman is trusted…..a man alone is not. A man alone is a stray dog….a man getting walked by his woman is on his leash.
Ask the men you know how many times they have found themselves in fights, been attacked, been the target of aggressive potentially violent situations……..then ask the women you know. You will find that nearly every man has been the target of violence numerous times…..hardly any women have.
Your whole view of this issue is based on feelings….specifically fear. This is promoted and whipped up by feminists……the media…..and government….and you are a victim of that. You feel as though you are living in a war zone.
That fact is that you are far far safer then I walking alone at 3am anywhere. I grew up in a pretty rough part of town…..I have been attacked by a group and bashed, I have had guns stuffed in my face on three occasions, twice followed up with a beatings, I have had knives pulled on my twice…once resulting in a stab wound…..I have been shot at once from a distance……I have had my home invaded twice by gangs, both times females were present, and the females were not harmed……I was bashed preemptively just to make sure I didn’t make trouble purely because I was male, well built…and the threat. And that’s partially true, I’ve dished out quite a bit of damage myself and I’ve always went down fighting when I’ve lost, but I’ve never harmed a woman, even ones that were harming me.
On top of drawing the attention of all the scum bags in the street at night, men also face the harassment from the police. If you were to walk the street at 3am alone at night….the police might pull you over…..to make sure you’re ok….to make sure you get where you’re going ok. They will pull me over to harass me, search me….question me….and assume I’m up to no good. And if any crime has happened in the vicinity I’ll be prime suspect for no other reason then I’m male..and out on the street alone at 3am.
“td9red”, you claim that men are more powerful than women and so are more likely to be able to defend themselves against an attacker. Maybe so.
But it’s a fact that our society just doesn’t value the lives of men as much is it does the lives of women. Just being a male makes me more likely to be the victim of a violent crime and less likely to be helped by someone who witnesses the crime.
A woman’s crying or screaming is always going to attract the assistance of some “white knight” male who probably wouldn’t lift a finger to help a man who was being assaulted.
Women are more likely to be raped, but less likely to be the victims of severe beatings and murders than men are.
You can call rape an invasion of your body, a violation of your soul, and a perverse attack on your very existence. But the bottom line is it’s just an unwanted sexual encounter.
By the way, I find it interesting that you worry about the kind of attire you wear when you go out in the evening, since according to feminists a woman’s choice of clothing has nothing to do with her being more likely to be raped.
And it’s true that men are stronger, but there are a variety of lethal and non-lethal weapons women can use to defend themselves.
Sorry, but men are the “bigger victims”, whether it’s victims of crime, victims of war, or victims of workplace injuries and deaths. It’s been that way since pre-history, and is unlikely to change without the men’s rights movement achieving its objectives.
Not wrong, simply unwilling to swallow the retarded “rape culture” Koolade. That said, since most of the culture is willing to happily swill poison, I’ll administer some antidotes here. One by one:
1) Rape is SEX. Rape is primarily a SEX crime not primarily a power crime. (Murder, terror, or battery are primarily power crimes because they are done for power rather than for sex.) Real suggests REAL as in power is power or sex is sex. Murder and rape are both ‘real crimes’ but that is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand here.
2) Vice (‘female’) and violence (‘male’) are often but not always used as a means to an end to rob sex from the unwilling. That doesn’t mean that rape is about vice or violence though because the primary motivation for most rapists is to rob SEX rather than to ‘overpower’ the poor oppressed sex object.
3) Give us a break about men being truly ‘free’ beings. As every man knows violence is ever present and is mostly aimed at other males. We EARN our freedom by becoming bigger, better, or stronger than the most likely predators. YOUR sex can too but you are rarely willing to do the work or risk the danger that comes with personal confidence. It’s far easier to whine and moan about your fictional ‘oppression’ so you can coerce feebleminded (patriarchal) white knights to do your fighting for you.
In addition, men are always subject constantly to the ugly forms of female vice which are so common as to be taken for granted. Women can/do wear next to nothing in public to cock tease men mercilessly AND ruthlessly double-blind blame the men for ogling. Women also can use vice plus government goons to destroy men with perfect impunity…an option that no man can use in reverse.
4) What the hell WAS she doing jogging through Central Park late at night? No man in his right mind would flash his assets in area well known to be full of violent thieves. Same goes for women and no one deserves the pussy pass just because they carry the world’s most prized asset between their legs.
5) If you choose to stay ‘less than’ and depend on men for ‘protection’ then you need to be sure to respect those men as your superiors. Protection never comes for free. Most men have to be willing to kill or die to protect the ‘fairer’ sex and that isn’t particularly fun except for psychopaths. What we hate is to protect feminists who spread the Big Lie that women are both ‘oppressed’ and ‘equal’ at the same time.
6) You SHOULD pay attention to what you are/aren’t wearing in risky locales. As the sex, which initiates sex (covertly) you are responsible for being sure that your ‘no’ signal is clear. You also need to be damn sure you aren’t playing ‘yes means no’ or ‘no means yes’ girl-games which are always confusing to some men.
7) You’ll convince me that male-female rape is really serious as soon as I see womankind being MUCH more careful with female sexual assets. Right now, women sell sex with casual abandon everywhere and anywhere, allow themselves to be ‘raped’ (often after getting drunk as a skunks so they don’t have to feel anything) to steal male assets, and generally seem to hold their most precious possession in utter disregard. That hardly makes me see the FORCED robbery of those same assets as something to get all hot and bothered about. Indeed, black women often eschew the hysterical cry-baby routine about rape that white women seem to prefer which tells me a lot about what is really going on with rape. In any case, rape doesn’t even come close to murder, to most forms of terror or torture or to other forms of serious violence that men routinely suffer at 20x the rates the women do. The Woman Racket’s summary on the science of rape trauma confirms that rape is relatively minor (damage-wise) relative to violent crimes. While I know that murder AND rape are serious relative to less personal crimes, I abhor the feminist rape hysteria that has absurdly inflated male-female rape as a crime relative to other far more serious/far more common crimes…crimes that primarily affect males. YOUR soul (er sex) might indeed be more special than that of the average woman but we are looking for the whole story here. Rape is indeed real but the data shows that rape isn’t nearly as common as feminist bigots say it is, its NOT incredibly harmful, it’s not incredibly hurtful, it is feared by women out of all proportion to it’s risk, and it is the one crime that is widely blown out of proportion thanks to the biological factors that Moxon illustrates in The Woman Racket. ‘Hystericalizing’ rape is already backfiring on feminists and sadly on women like you who seem to be at least TRYING to do you own work. That’s also one reason why men get so furious about the Take Back the Night victim-racket as we suffer the vast majority of truly violent crime in disposable-sex silence.
An oh just in case you need a woman to show you some uncommon truth about rape be sure to read The Female Thing. One warning though this feminist author is an evil apologist for the rape of boys by filthy old women. Seems that the rape of boys/girls by ‘scandalous’ women isn’t even a crime at all much less a ‘real crime’ to feminists.
The female body as an anti-patriarchal bomb: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/egypt-naked-blogger-aliaa-mahdy So says The Guardian which is an internationally recognized platform for feminist gender-bigots of all stripes. Imagine a man trying to use his naked body as a weapon of political war. Freedom indeed.
It won’t allow me to respond to Primal, directly
At P3 you scoff at the idea that men are “free beings,” but, than you indicate that men EARN their freedom by becoming bigger, better, or stronger than the likely predators. Your sex can to.” You don’t really think there is some super self-defense class out there that’s gonna make women able to stand toe to toe with a man. Men have greater muscle mass and larger bones than women. Likewise women can endure more physical pain and stress. Women are weaker than men simply because that is the DESIGN. It was the intention of our maker that women rely on men’s physial strength and speed for protection. As women are unable to improve on their body strength, I guess their freedom cannot be EARNED as you suggest.
I never said I was oppressed…
At P5, “if you choose to stay “less than” and depend on men for protection than you need to be sure to respect those men as your “superiors.” What the hell! Are you suggesting that any amount of chivalry from a man requires absolute servitude???? Don’t you think that’s asking for a bit much?
You continue to argue that rape is not that serious of a crime, but, than you seem to view the rape of a male as being far more serious than the rape of a woman. How do you explain that?
In reply to td9red:
Women CAN earn MORE freedom by becoming less fearful of the least little things, by becoming better able to assess REAL risk, and by becoming stronger, wiser and more knowledge-able. They can also become crack shots, purchase concealed carry pistols, and use their natural networking skills to protect each other. There is no need to become bigger better and stronger than ALL predators just the most likely predators. In addition, women have superior psychological abilities which women regularly use for protection from rape. Every little bit of personal power EARNED tends to create some freedom. Every bit of whining, moaning, and male scapegoating tends to create less freedom.
I do the same thing to defend myself against female predators who use sexual vice to try to ‘rape’ me mentally or erotically. Women will always be superior in the sexual vice department but I notice that the moment they become aware that I know their ugly girl-games they seem far less interested in fucking with me. This took WORK, RISK and REASONing something that your sex can do too.
Glad you haven’t swallowed the ‘oppression’ lie. You might re-school all your mainstream sisters on why not so we don’t have to waste so much of our precious time on scapegoating nonsense.
As for P5, I’m saying NEVER but NEVER be chivalrous for female supremacist feminists PERIOD. As for superstitious ‘maker-made’ women, let them go to their great God in the sky for protection. Never protect them either because that is ‘a dog’s life’ as Schaffly says. For the remaining wiser women, be sure they offer love for ‘live’ (protection) or toss em to the dogs too.
As for ‘servitude’, don’t twist my words to suit your purposes since I said no such thing. What I’m saying is that women believe chivalry goes one way…that is toward women. Chivalry needs to go both ways before I will do a damn thing for women that women don’t already do for me. (Be sure to note that I was slightly chivalrous to you earlier…and that’s because I believe that you do care about men a little.)
I have reason to assume (not know) that rape of males by females is worse than all other forms of rape (male-male, female-female, and male-female) because the research shows that mother-son rape causes orders of magnitude more damage to the son than do ANY of the other forms of parental rape. I suspect that has to do with many factors, not the least of which is that males (unlike women in whom rape fantasies/retarded rape hysteria are common and FOR whom rape is already too well known) are totally unprepared to be raped by ruthless women.
And oh by the way I DIDN’T say the rape of males was more serious than the rape of females males IN THE PREVIOUS POST. I said that the VIOLENT crimes that men suffer are far more common and far more serious than the RELATIVELY minor SEXUAL crimes that women suffer. Feminist falsehoods, male chivalry and the traditional female pussy pass tend to create confused ‘common sense’ on rape.
Feb 2013 looks like a good time for a feminist abuse lies awarness campaign.
We should call it “International Feminist BS day”, where BS stands for Bowl Slander.
Every year, the feminists use the Super Bowl as an opportunity to slander men, boys, and fathers. The feminist lie is always debunked within a few weeks. However, the media coverage of the debunking is limited (especially compared to the national hysteria induced by the original lie).
I have offered to contribute $500 to the men’s rights forum which correctly predicts the 2012 feminist Super Bowl lie.
I propose that the penultimate Sunday in January is a good choice for “International Feminist BS day”. Historically, feminists have initiated their slander campaign two weeks before Super Bowl Sunday. I suppose they think that it is enough time to do some media damage, but not enough time for anyone to fact check them.
This way, the feminists will have picked their own international BS day, since this is when they choose to release their annual slander. For 2012, international feminist BS day would fall on January 22, two weeks before the Feb 5 kick-off.
Here is some information about the 2011 and 2010 feminist slander of men, boys, and fathers:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/video/a-new-super-bowl-hoax-that-eclipses-the-last-one-in-its-sheer-depravity/
Both the 2010 and 2011 edition of the feminist super bowl lies were roundly debunked soon afterwards, but with virtually no media coverage.
Maybe if we can guess the lie that feminists will tell in 2012 in advance, we will be able to generate some media attention to the actual story of the string of super bowl hoaxes — the systematic feminist campaign to dehumanize and denigrate men, boys and fathers.
Note that I use the word “hoax” loosely here. In fact these were not harmless hoaxes. These were vicious lies deigned to do maximum damage to the self esteem of boys, the maximum damage to the social image of men, and the maximum damage to the fortunes of fathers in family court.
No comment, but definitely a worthwhile read:
http://www.mypostingcareer.com/forums/index.php?/topic/464-over-90-of-female-rape-victims-experience-orgasm-during-the-attack/
Definitely worthwhile.
Men also get erections, get aroused, and orgasm when raped by women. One of the biggest misconceptions is that women cannot rape men or boys is because an erection implies consent. Nothing is further from the truth…and this can cause debilitating confusion for the male ‘rapee’ too.
To Stu, Mark, and E. Steven
Thanks for adding some serious clarity on this (intentionally) twisted topic.
Given the power of feminist rape lies to confuse most people, some sort of rape lie tactics page seems to be in order here so that others can rapidly ‘deconstruct’ the Eve Ensler’s of the world without having to start from scratch each time. Do you know of any equivalent to the highly effective shame tactics page http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/ for rape lies? Being able to rapidly respond to every single rape lie that is common use would be very helpful for those who do battle everyday. Rape is too important (for OUR welfare) to be left to a bunch of bigoted brainwashers who monopolize the topic to destroy us as males.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this article, JTO. I have used Ensler as a prime example of what is wrong with modern womankind in conversations with men who are on the verge of waking up. Her latest prattling adds to the arsenal, nicely. Especially this detour from cognizance; “you live with us, make love with us, father us, befriend us, brother us, get nurtured and mothered and eternally supported by us, so why aren’t you standing with us?” Maybe because not all women walk around with haloes; rape victims or otherwise. Maybe because we’ve walked and walked and walked with you as it is, and we’re tiring of being led in circles. And maybe because the “us” (read: women) you are referring to is only a small percentage of rape victims. Yes, maybe it has something to do with the male victimization at the hands of women that makes us not want to hold your hand through life anymore.
Furthermore, I’m sure you’ll be hard-pressed to find any male whose daughter, sister, mother or wife was raped, just up and abandon her. Much to the contrary, we have protected and defended you only to be lumped in with the perpetrators we’ve tried to shield you from.
Yeah, I’m over rape too. I’m over the rape culture you’ve helped create in projecting your own issues onto everyone else. I’m over hearing women claim exclusivity to rape like it’s some sort of elite fight club. I’m REALLY over being asked to “fight” rape on a woman’s behalf and not my own. How do you explain saying this on one hand “I am so over the students at Penn State who protested the justice system instead of the alleged rapist pedophile of at least 8 boys…” and on the other hand, “one billion women will rise to end rape”. If boys are allegedly being raped, why would it only be inevitable for women to rise? Maybe because you only validate male-on-female rape as “bad” rape? If it happens to boys it’s merely a convenience to you isn’t it? It gives you an excuse to act capriciously concerned for the other half of the world because it’s clear what your definition of rape really is; “we just don’t think that uninvited penises up our anus, or our vagina is a laugh riot”.
Well I and many, many more men don’t think uninvited, misandric cultural standards based on female hysteria is a laugh riot yet the “jokes” at our expense keep coming as well. I predict that one billion men will rise to make this point; many of them victims of rape as well. Are you going to walk beside us?
Ensler is a contemporary hack. And yes, it is passing scandalous that she glorifies lesbian rape in her ‘play’.
But it does embody the central lesbianist dogma, that recruitment of sex partners is ‘progressive’ as long as you recruit women away from men.
A good antidote to Ensler is the Mamet play Oleanna, available as a film. For me, it’s a short guide to a different kind of rape, the rape of discourse. How fascistic feminisms entrap the man, once he acknowledges their warped language.
Another excellent film is Notebook on a Scandal. Notebook is the most knowledgeable and unvarnished exploration of lesbian stalking ever done, imho. It’s a textbook study in predatory techniques, uncanny. In fact, I’d have every graduating teacher in every teachers’ college watch that film and write a full analysis of it before I allowed them anywhere near a school room.
With apologies for calling it “Notebook,” I’d like to add a footnote to the above.
If you search the literature on Notes on a Scandal, you’ll find that the film’s heart, its text, has been largely figleafed and white-washed. Almost nowhere will you find that the film is about a lesbian predator. Usual references are to “bitter older teacher” who “is jealous” of the younger woman she stalks. In the SF Chronicle’s review, written by a female, the L word is used cautiously, but Dench’s character is described as having “latent lesbianism.” Well, if it’s only “latent,” it can’t ALL be the predator’s fault, now can it?
In fact, the film tells us clearly that the Dench character is mourning the loss of a female lover, nothing ambiguous about that.
This is very instructive to us; it shows us, not that lesbianism itself is taboo, but that clear-eyed, frank conversation about lesbianism’s underbelly is taboo. In actuality, predatory behavior in that group is alarmingly common.
Notes on a Scandal is also about the statutory rape of a boy by his teacher. Funny how no one seems to care about boys being raped by ‘hot’ teachers. Let’s add a full analysis of heterosexual student stalking to the program too.
“Rape is the only crime on the books that is proven to be rampant by showing that few people report it, and that fewer still can prove it. If that makes no sense to you, then you are understanding the problem. ”
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/11/rape-only-crime-proven-to-be-rampant-by.html
I could see from the male perspective how the act of rape (a real rape, not a perceived one) on a women may not seem severe as say murder or other violent acts – but from my perspective if it was attempted on me, I hope the person is a necrophiliac because I will be fighting to the death. That’s one thing I never understood about some rape claims, how does the victim at times come out of it without a scratch? Now, I know that is not a PC question to ask, but I never quite understood the “laying down and taking it” mentality if it were a genuine forcible rape? Although I wanted to deny the numbers, when mixed with situations and actions of the so-called victims, it’s hard to ignore what seems fairly obvious…