Editorial note: we find it fascinating that this article, written in 2010, is still frequently cited by the Mainstream Media and critics of the Men’s Human Rights Movement as “typical” of the views of the movement and/or this web site. The truth is, this was written in the very early days of A Voice for Men to be deliberately provocative, to get attention and challenge people to think. It was, to use a phrase feminist Camille Paglia once used, a “necessary savaging” of a once-taboo subject.
Today the culture at large is beginning to acknowledge that both men and women can and do engage in abusive behavior that can provoke violent, dangerous reactions in psychotic and irresponsible individuals, and now that the culture is beginning to recognize that men are at least as likely to be victims of sexual assault as women, and women far more likely to be perpetrators of sexual assault than we’d like to think, a more mature dialogue seems to be developing on the non-gendered nature of rape and sexual assault and abuse. Many such articles on that have appeared on AVfM in subsequent years, so it seems strange that this old article is still repeatedly gone back to by critics. Why, out of the countless thousands written on this site, pick this one and hold it up as “typical” when it is simply not?
From our point of view, we think its intentionally provocative style no longer serves its intended purpose and it’s being obsessed over by people who want to avoid thinking hard about complex issue. We think it mostly tends to be quoted out of context by dishonest ideologues as “typical” rather than the unusually provocative article that it was. But we’ll let you be the judge. Here’s the article in all its infamous glory. After you finish it, may we suggest you read what we have to say today rather than continuing to obsess about stuff from the early days of the site, back in 2010, written from a place we no longer inhabit? Just a thought. –Editors
We have all heard it before. Any time a “serious” discussion of rape makes it to national airwaves, there is always the obligatory feminist pinhead, presented as the expert<em> du jour </em>that somehow feels compelled to admonish all of us to remember that rape is not about sex, but power; not about physical attraction, but about control and domination.
Of course it all goes back to the need to document every ill in the world as an artifact of patriarchy, whether it has anything to do with patriarchy or not. That is often the case with feminists, as most of their “theories” on modern culture require a systemic, sinister and patently patriarchal male villain, or those theories fall apart at their shoddily sewn seams.
These morons could actually make one wonder (if one moronically chooses to take them seriously) why women are the chosen targets for rape (outside of prison) at all – <em>if it has nothing to do with sex</em>. If it is just about power, shouldn’t the primary victims be children or the elderly?
This brings up a few more questions that we are usually very hesitant to address outside of PC control.
But first, let’s listen to Uncle Bern, who recently addressed this topic in his typical no nonsense manner:
Now, let’s take it a step further that just acknowledging the fact that using our brains forces us to concede that rape is, in fact, about sex and reproduction. Indeed, that’s the <em>only</em> thing that makes any sense at all. Since the PC edicts to believe otherwise are wasted in a place like this, it raises yet another question that needs to be asked.
Do women ask for it?
I don’t mean that in the sense that they are literally asking men to rape them (though this clearly does happen outside the context of this post). What I mean is, do women who act provocatively; who taunt men sexually, toying with their libidos for personal power and gain, etc., have the same type of responsibility for what happens to them as, say, someone who parks their car in a bad neighborhood with the keys in the ignition and leaves it unlocked with the motor running?
Obviously, we still blame the car thief for the actual theft, but don’t most of us turn to the person who owned the car and at least <em>want</em> to ask, “What the fuck were you thinking?”
Wouldn’t the insurance company take a dim view of paying a claim in the midst of such stupid irresponsibility?
We should, though, also remember that at least the guy who set himself up to have his car jacked wasn’t doing anything sinister to begin with. Stupid, but not sinister. We can’t say the same for some of these women.
In that light, I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires so they can get shitfaced on the beta dole; paying their bar tab with the pussy pass. And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.
But are these women asking to get raped?
In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.
They are freaking<em> begging</em> for it.
Damn near demanding it.
And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a <span style=”color: red;”>I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME</span> neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.
In my opinion their plight from being raped should draw about as much sympathy as a man who loses a wallet full of cash after leaving it laying around a bus station unattended.
“Deserved” is a different topic. But perhaps if we start curbing our automatic outrage over what happens to women who are begging for and even insisting on trouble, then maybe a few of them will be more prone to decisions that turn out a little better for them.
<strong><em>[addendum] I have noted the objections of some MRA’s here to the perspective expressed in this article about the etiology of rape. After careful consideration, I reject those concerns. I am not painting men as incapable of controlling their sexual impulses, but simply acknowledging that there is a tiny fraction of men who, for whatever reason, won’t. And I am suggesting that if women are concerned about their safety from a crime like rape, a common sense acceptance of that and choices consistent with that knowledge are in order. I may not have said it as delicately as some would prefer, but the message was clear nonetheless.</em></strong>
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