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Dropping the “F” bomb at CATO

On Tuesday, December 11, I attended an event at the CATO Institute in Washington D.C., featuring Greg Lukianoff, President of The Foundation for Individual Liberties in Education.  He was giving a talk on his excellent new book “Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate,” which every MRA interested in the state of our education system should read.

Several  weeks ago a very good friend of mine who had recently taken the Red Pill and is now a fan of AVFM, it’s radio shows and contributors, told me about it so I bought the book and read it in preparation for the event.  I was very excited as The FIRE is a very important organization that deals in large part with the very same issues that MRAs concern ourselves with regarding our education system.

The book thoroughly handled what students face in regard to free speech rights on campus as well as deliberate efforts to indoctrinate them in ideologies they may not agree with-including, but not limited to, feminism.  Covered were the “Power and Control Wheel” at Michigan State University, the April 4 directive and many other examples of the erosion of free speech, right to due process and the caustic atmosphere on college campuses that demonstrably affect male students.

In fact, I believe as many others do, that many of these polices target male students in a deliberate attempt to marginalize males and masculinity.

The zeitgeist currently in place in our education system, primary through post secondary, is authored by a radical feminist agenda hell bent on putting male students at a severe disadvantage.  The impetus for this has been, among other things, the red herring issue of the wage gap and the myth that men and women have the same tastes, proclivities and aptitudes when it comes to academic pursuits.

And, of course, a whole lot of good old fashioned hatred.

I arrived at their facility on Massachusetts Avenue not far from the Washington Convention Center at 11:30am as they suggested in order to get a good seat at the event.  The CATO Institute has a stellar reputation as a congenial place to exchange and explore ideas and they definitely lived up to it within the first five minutes I walked in the door.  The people were friendly, well mannered and carried themselves with a non pretentious brand of class which I warmed up to immediately.

I was given a name tag prepared for me with the registration info I had provided online with my name, title and the words “A Voice for Men” written prominently below.  As I put it on I felt an apprehensive sense of pride knowing that I was about to present myself conspicuously as an MRA, something that most MRAs find hard to do for understandable reasons.  But of course that was the entire reason I was there.

The theater style room in which they hold their speaking events was modest but impressive.  It was well accoutered with an appropriate sound system, a well lighted stage and an impressive set of presentation screens in back of the podium and panelist seats.  The room also had an array of cameras, the main one being in the back to record the speakers and others on either side of the stage to record audience questions.

Nice” I said to myself “I am going to ask an awkward question about feminists and feminist ideologues in our education system and everyone who watches the CATO institutes vids is going to see me do it.  Yea!

The presentation was excellent.  The host was flanked by Greg Lukianoff on his right and two free speech activists on his left.  Lukianoff was summoned to the podium to give his presentation which summarized his book very nicely.  Afterward, the two student activists spoke about their experiences and I found them very impressive as well.  The entire event is worth spending the 81 minutes watching it as it is a brilliant analysis of why our education system is producing dolts who cannot think critically and those that dare try are targeted like ground moles on a miniature golf course.

Q & A time came and I was anxious to get my questions across.  After several others spoke up they announced that they had only enough time for one more question and thankfully they chose me.  I made sure to call out feminists directly and brought up the specific example of events and the University of Toronto where Warren Farrell spoke a few weeks ago.

I asked that if in light of those events and the long history of feminist thuggary and brass intimidation in our education system, when, and or if, the higher education community would come to grips with and acknowledge the hatefulness of feminism- in so many words of course.  I also asked if the stepping down of Russlyn Ali bode well for the possible repeal of the Dear Colleague Letter.

I knew that asking these questions would, at the very least, bring on an air of unease but was  pleasantly surprised by the electric atmosphere that it induced.  I could hear people squirming in their seats and I swear I heard one person actually hiss.  On review of the video I saw one woman vacating the  auditorium in back of me.  I don’t think she was leaving for the ladies room.  Mind you this is at the CATO institute.

Lukianoff was clearly uncomfortable with the first question.  He referenced the happenings at Michigan State and the April 4 directive in a passionate way but did not dare say the word “feminist,” and asked me if I had actually read his book to which I answered “yes.”

I want to assert that I totally understand his discomfort with my question.  In fact, I knew that my line of questioning would elicit such a response. Mr. Lukianoffis a brilliant man who deserves all the attention of MRAs and those concerned with men and boys in our education system.

However, he failed to directly answer my first question.  And there is a reason for that:

Because he was scared.

I understand.  I really do, as do most people reading this now do.  But someone has to publicly call out this hateful ideology.  I did this using my own name and my title affiliation with a Men’s Rights organization.

Now, I am not preaching or claiming some type of moral authority by doing so.  Their have been far too many MRAs that have paid a terrible price for their activism for me to even consider that.  All that I am saying is that the time for silent and anonymous activism is going to have to come to an end soon and it may as well be sooner than later.

After the event ended and I stood up thinking that no one would take an interest in what I had to say,  I was immediately approached by three individuals saying that they really appreciated what we were doing even though they had never heard of A Voice for Men.

One man said that he was interested in starting something in West Virginia concerning divorced men.  Another simply said “you are doing a great thing, but man do you have a long way to go” and another man, who I would later share lunch with, only wanted me to tell him all about what we were doing.

All of this happened within ten seconds of me getting up to approach Lukianoff so I could tell him how much I appreciated FIRE and the book he wrote while giving him am AVfM business card.  Mr. Lukianoff seemed somewhat annoyed by my approaching him after a brief conversation with my new friends, but that was ok.  I gave him the card while telling him how much I admired FIRE and him as an individual.  I do not expect an email back from him.

Next came a most pleasing experience.  A FREE LUNCH!

Upstairs was a large glass encompassed room where fresh sandwiches were served along with potato chips and soda.  That may sound a bit cheesy but I assure you it was quite tasty and well presented.  I told the staff that they did a very nice job and they responded with pride: “we do it up right here.”  I liked that, and again, I appreciated the spirit of the CATO institute and their hospitality.  This is a rare organization that I think people should support.

I looked across the room and in the very back I saw one of the men that approached me beckoning to join him.  I was delighted.  Seated at the table were him and two other women.  I sat down and he and I chatted about men and men’s rights issues as if he were a long time contributor to an MRA blog.  He was definitely one of those who had taken the red pill but just now realized that there was a movement behind that pill. I recognized the glow in his eyes as I have seen it so many times when I talk about men and men’s rights to other people who are ready for the message.

And make no mistake, there are so many people ready for the message if you will only speak it.

One of the women sitting there stuck out her hand and introduced herself.  I obliged with my hand and introduced myself.

She said “I have a son who is 15 and I think that he is one of those boys that you are concerned about.”  She had a tender, worried look in her eyes and I understood immediately where she was coming from.  I asked her “is your boy in trouble?  Has anyone in the school he is in targeted him because he is a boy.”

“No” she said.  “It’s just that because he is a boy he feels that all of the girls have an unfair advantage over him and he tells me about it.  It’s like he will always come second and there is nothing he can do about it.”

She displayed a mothers concern in her face and I felt for her and her son.  I understood exactly what they were going through- the typical experience that a 15 year old boy goes through in our public education system and parents who feel helpless to do anything to help their own children.

We talked for a time and I exchanged cards with her.  Things wound down and people returned to work or whatever they were doing before . I bid farewell to them.  I was thankful that I had met them all as they were all very good people.

I am not trying to compare what I did with what JTO has done in Vancouver or what other MRAs have done elsewhere in the world, putting themselves at personal risk and professional dissolution.  But I have to say that we must come out of our shells soon.  Anonymous activism in the MRM   has to come to an end.  It just wont cut it anymore.  I totally understand why some may wish to be anonymous, but seriously, we got to present ourselves directly as who we are and not phantoms in online forums.

Do not tell me that there are not opportunities for advocacy in your location.  And do not tell me that if you speak our you will always be shunned or demonized.  You may well be, but people are just as hungry for our message as they are uncomfortable with it.  In fact, our mission is inexorable. The price for failure is too high.

If there is a school board meeting your town or hall meeting in your locale, participate and bring up the Boy Crisis, however subtle or overt.  If there is some town hall meeting with local politicians vying for power confront them with a specific mens’  rights issue.

You may or may not be surprised by the response, but you will never find out by remaining silent.

About Robert O'Hara

Bob O'Hara is the U.S. News Director for A Voice for Men. He is a men's rights activist living in the Washington, D. C. area who has done work with S.A.V.E. and is the host of a weekly radio show with news and analysis on men's and boys' issues.

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  • http://fightingfeminism.wordpress.com Mike Buchanan

    An inspiring and insightful article. Thank you. I agree with you 100%. It’s time for countless anonymous MRAs to come out of the MRM closet. I know some cannot do so for professional reasons, e.g. risks to their livelihoods. But those who can… must. They should lose no opportunity to explain calmly to anyone who wil listen (and anyone who won’t) that they’re MRAs, and why.

    Mike Buchanan

    • Jay

      Great article Rob, and yes the message carries more weight when using our real names. Robert and Mike are both inspirational, brilliant of you to get to CATO and stand up for equality for boys and men. Thanks to the inspiration of you Mike, I’m also now working to actively oppose misandry by targeting the government directly. I sent in a submission to the consultation document in Scotland strongly opposing Rhonda Grant’s misandrist bid to criminalise men and demonise male sexuality by using the “Swedish Model”. More information here on how to help:

      As JTO wrote in his article on feminism

      “They come in a variety of flavors, but these are the ones whose goals, although pursued under the banner of feminism, are reasonable, and indeed, virtuous. The decriminalizing and normalizing of prostitution is an example. While many people both inside and outside the men’s rights movement dislike the idea of prostitution, it wont be done away with by keeping it illegal. It is simply thus made more dangerous and harmful for everyone involved, both for the provider and the consumer. ”

      JTO then goes onto to say that these goals, although under the banner of feminism, is not feminism at all, but rather humanism.

      The Swedish Model on sex work is just like other misandrist radical feminist policy. It works on the ideology that men are vicious rapists and women are innocent victims. That only men should be responsible for their actions.

      • http://fightingfeminism.wordpress.com Mike Buchanan

        Thanks Jay. The world’s oldest profession provides economic sustenance to countless women (and their children) and sexual relief to countless men with no other options, so it HAS to be curtailed. The ‘Swedish model’ is sweeping across Europe with precisely this objective in mind. What dysfunctional times we live in.

        Mike Buchanan

  • http://gloriusbastard.com/ JJ

    Preach brother preach.

    I have been off and on about “coming out” with my approval of masculinity and fathers as something more than a doormat to be grudgingly acknowledged.

    I also am aware of the real reprecussions for both myself, and my family in work, school, and association.

    I suppose it cannot be helped?

    Either way, I don’t want to say that myself, or others are sissies for staying anonymous; but when the fempire strikes back eventually; it is not because of me that I wear the anonymous mask.

    I guess I agree; just standing on the cliff pondering jumping off in the elctronic world as suicide; or bravery, however stupid it might turn out?

    Fear for myself is not the issue; but I guess I am pussying out somewhat for the sake of my son in my court case; and my wife now for her work.

    Choices, choices; but it has been on my mind what the author says and I feel his conclusion is the right one.

    It will never be convenient; so do I man up-or man out?

    • http://fightingfeminism.wordpress.com Mike Buchanan

      For men (and some women?) of a certain age, I can strongly recommend they take a course of action similar to that I took in 2010, at the age of 52. With the kids grown up, I ended a well-paying career as a business consultant, ‘downsized’ my life dramatically, and devoted my remaining days to fighting feminism full-time. I’ve never regretted that decision for a moment. It feels like I’m pursuing a noble objective, of real importance, for the first time in my life. Life is REALLY good.

      Mike Buchanan

      • http://gloriusbastard.com/ JJ

        I’m in my middle 30’s; and have a family while going to school and the wife is working.

        My thoughts: http://gloriusbastard.com/?p=1246

        Not sure; but you got me thinking.

      • http://gloriusbastard.com/ JJ

        I guess I lean towards anonymous because I feel like I am responsible for more than just my own identity. The bastards we deal with would harm my family anf associates to take one out as an example. Maybe I am overthinking it; and even people at work with the wife and me would flock to our side?

        Not looking for a guarantee; not looking to get a divorce either.

      • Jay

        Possibly the comment of the year!

  • http://www.isgodasquirrel.blogspot.ca/ Woolybumblebee

    Excellent article. I 100% agree with this: “You may or may not be surprised by the response, but you will never find out by remaining silent.”

  • Reggie


    More sane and even minded MRAs need to come out and give a good impression. I was just reading an article about Harding on FreeFromThoughtBlog and this one comment jumped out at me:

    “Ogvorbis: Exhausted and broken
    13 December 2012 at 1:10 pm (UTC -6) Link to this comment
    Has anyone here ever encountered these guys other than on the internet?

    Yes. In elementary school, high school, college, at forest fires, at work, as kid’s school.


    When I was a cub scout, I was raped by my scoutmaster. His reasoning, stated quite plainly, was that there were two kinds of people — men and girls. Some girls grew up to be men; the rest of them existed for the pleasure of men and if they refused to give the men pleasure, he was entitled to take it.

    In high school, there was a group of jocks who were well-known at the school for getting girls drunk at parties and raping them. Of course, to them (and to the rest of us uneducated morons at the school) getting drunk gave the jocks permission to do what they wanted. Most of the boys at the high school envied these jocks. The girls were not humans, they were fuckdolls, cunts, mattresses. Another group of boys joked about using veterinary tranquilizers on their dates. At least, I hope they were joking.

    In college, some of the young men that I knew didn’t view the young women as students. They were entertainment, drunk or sober, willing or not.

    At forest fires, I have heard LEOs refer to a transgendered person as ‘it’ (I did point out, in one of our security meetings, that this was not acceptable; if a person who has male plumbing identifies as a woman, she is a she unless that person requests a different pronoun). I have heard, and objected to (recently, anyway), jokes about rape, about incest, about beating women to make them compliant. I have heard law enforcement officers joke about how much fun it is to interview a woman who ‘claims to have been raped’, getting all the details on video.

    At work, I have heard fellow employees joke about rape, about beating women. I speak up, loudly, when I hear it and, over the past year, I haven’t heard it as much. A fellow employee went through a very long and acrimonious divorce and, during that time, he talked about the courts giving everything to the ex-wife, how he couldn’t even visit the kids (the divorce was, primarily, about him verbally and physically abusing his children and wife (he’s “better” now after six months of therapy)), how everything in the US is stacked against men because of the damned feminists.

    So yes, I have met MRAs in person. And I will probably meet more.”

    This is what they will think we are even though none of the above are MRAs. They are what makes it socially acceptable to try and bully us.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      I love how the divorce was supposedly all about that. Men are guilty until proven innocent in family court in this person’s eyes, obviously.

      Otherwise, you’re right, none of the rest of that describes any MRA I’ve ever worked with or talked to or know personally. At all. It’s obscene, the bigotry these people display. At its core is what’s at the core of all bigotry: aggressive ignorance.

    • Poester99

      Wow.. an intentionally malicious liar, pretending to be a liberal, who woulda thunkit?

  • TheMoralGodless

    I am a libertarian and a financial supporter of CATO (and other libertarian causes.) For many reasons I feel that the libertarian movement is the political movement most likely to be open to men’s rights.

    But the problem is, libertarians are pushing really hard to make libertarianism more “inclusive” to women. And as libertarianism is starting to become trendy, I think feminists are going to colonize it like they have the atheist community. In fact, not too long ago I got in a knockdown dragout fight online with a “libertarian feminist” who said government spending on female issues should be exempt from all libertarian efforts to shrink government.

    • Augen

      It seems to me that everyone thinks that the political wing they are partial to is the one most likely to be open to men’s rights.

      I think men’s rights, as all human rights, are about decency. When you allow that there may be reasons of decency for why a person affiliates with the other side, two things happen.

      One is the door opens to great people in your life where politics turned out to be a nearly irrelevant filter. Another is that fertile ground for mens rights is found, damn near everywhere.

      My supposition: if libertarians are particularly prone to mens rights, it is the high concentration of decent people among them that creates that impression, not the ideology itself.

    • TigerMan

      I call this the “cuckoo in the nest” strategy. They leverage male chivalry for all it’s worth to get their foothold established. The atheist\skeptic community used to be very resistant to radical feminist thought – now it is split and they did it not by argument but by deliberate leveraging of male chivalry. Once they have their foothold the arena becomes increasingly all about them and to ostracise those “haters” who refuse to be manipulated. Pretty soon they have achieved their goal – a split movement fighting itself instead of being a growing threat to radical feminist deep entrenchment in our culture and establishment.
      The very fact that this attack is starting with making libertarianism more “inclusive” for women tells me that indeed this is the opening gambit of the radical wing of feminism because it is a direct appeal to chivalry and is the thin end of the wedge for the infinite steady streams of demands and accommodations that will follow until the movement is taken over entirely or deeply split.

  • Aimee McGee

    I said in another post recently that I’m a planter of acorns. I’m not afraid to point out misandry, but I will do it in quite neutral and non confrontational ways such as saying ‘please can you cite your sources for those claims as my own reading on this suggests….(insert fact).’
    I also have a zero tolerance rule for any sweeping statements based on any characteristic, and will challenge again with a question such as ‘Are you sure that is a trait attributable to all men?’
    I seldom get fight back…mostly I get confusion…but I’ve planted an acorn

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    The more of us who do this, the better off we are. Thank you so much James.

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Ahem, that would be Bob. lol. But yes, thank you so much Bob for standing up and forcing the real issues.

      • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

        God damn it, my brain knew it was Bob, but my fingers typed “James.” Stupid fingers! (Knawing them off now.)

        • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

          No prob. All MRAs look alike anyway.

  • dejour

    Yeah, I think it’s true that we should speak out more in public. Perhaps it’s the blistering attacks that we get on the internet that convinces us that we would face the same thing in real life.

    Whenever I’ve espoused an MRA position in public, my reactions have ranged from agreement to skepticism. But never a hostile MISOGYNIST reaction. Perhaps it’s because people see that I try to treat everyone with respect, so they aren’t so quick to dismiss my statements. When you are on the internet, it’s pretty easy to assume the worst about people.

    • http://fightingfeminism.wordpress.com Mike Buchanan

      Dejour, you make a very good point. The secret, I think, is to remain calm and collected. People are seldom persuaded by the arguments of angry people, however sound the arguments and justified the anger might be.

      I’m convinced that at least 90% of women don’t hold the extreme political ideology of militant feminists, and I rarely encounter hostility from women. They seem genuinely shocked when I reveal to them the truth about male v female suicide (3.6 men for every woman in the UK), homelessness, spending on detecting male-specific v female-specific cancers, male v female educational outcomes, and many other issues. They’ve never been exposed to the facts. It comes as a surprise to them to realise that if either gender in the modern developed world is disadvantaged, it certainly isn’t theirs!

      At the very least, let’s ‘feel the fear, and do it anyway’. Stories like the activities of feminists at the UoT and the following story (‘Bigot in a Bra’), which has got HUGE traction in the UK, are playing into our hands:


      We’re going to present the young journalist who wrote the article (Peter Lloyd) with a coveted ‘Winston’ award very shortly. He’s written an excellent series of articles on men’s issues, of which ‘Bigot in a Bra’ is one.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      They rely on our fear and the fact that we’re so easy to shame into silence. They bank on it.

      Swallow hard and even if your voice shakes, speak the truth as you see it.

  • rper1959

    Fantastic article Robert! I whole heartedly agree. Whilst I have copped a fair bit of “flack” for speaking out in my community, it has come only from the gender feminist camp, the vast majority of ordinary decent folk, know and understand what is going on, and have applauded me for trying to highlight the situation.

    I am lucky to be self employed in a situation that if my detractors avoid my medical practice because of my beliefs , it makes no difference. As for threats to my person(and there have not been any) I am old enough to simply not give a shit.

    I will check out the book and recording of the presentation ,

    Another interesting book that Uncle Bern recently highlighted on his inferno is “The Victims’ Revolution: The Rise of Identity Studies and the Closing of the Liberal Mind by Bruce Bawer” The section on gender studies was an eye opener even though I though I had a grip on the pervasiveness of gender feminism.

  • http://manamongoaks.com/index.html Ray

    Congratulations, Mr. O’Hara on getting that question on the record. Men attempting to have a voice can sometimes face unique challenges.

    I remember one evening, I was in “the truck” in downtown Los Angeles, next to the new stainless steel, Disney Concert Hall. I was stopped at a light with the concert hall on my right and a Mercedes on my left. City Hall, The County Hall of Administration and several big courthouses were to the right of the Mercedes.

    Suddenly, the woman at the wheel of the Mercedes became upset, rocking about in her seat and mouthing something, trying to tell me something. Her male companion sitting in the passenger seat next to her smiled accommodatingly, but it was clear the woman was beside herself with some kind of displeasure and it appeared she was displeased with me.

    I took a cue from the guy in the passenger seat of the Mercedes and just smiled back at the woman and waved.

    Oh, I forgot to mention, I had this 4 ft. X 8 ft. sign in the bed of the truck. http://tinyurl.com/3qk4tv5

    You’d be surprised at the reactions you can sometimes see, when you come out of your MRA shell. :-)

    • Agent Green

      Well that sign would indeed explain a lot. Way to shove it in their faces. Two thumbs up.

  • Ben

    What’s the point of protecting the free speech of the silent? The problem is not that those who are silent are silenced. The problem is that those who are silent are silent. Unpopular views are extremely rarely silenced because of policy. Unpopular viewpoints are much more commonly silenced due to their being shunned by the general public at large.

    If certain forms of speech begin to cease to exist, the specific ways in which it occurred, be they judicially or socially, are immaterial – the outcome is still the same. That being said, I think that FIRE is fatally off course in the grand scheme of things.

    Suppose FIRE succeeds at everything they are trying to accomplish. What then? Who’s to say we don’t end up with the following:

    1. The best freedom of speech policy in our universities that has ever been witnessed in the history of the civilized world.

    2. The same unwillingness to exercise it that we are seeing today.

    3. The same things being taught from a politically correct, misandric viewpoint from elementary school to college. (After all, FIRE can’t do anything about what is being taught).

    I would like to hear the President of FIRE answer these questions.

    A university student was expelled for reading a politically incorrect book. Why didn’t one hundred students go buy the same book and read it in the same place in front of the library to protest the school’s policy? The universities can only get away with what the students let them get away with in regards to individual rights. We have an apathy problem, not a freedom of speech problem. If the desire to protect freedoms dies, so do the freedoms. No organization will ever be big enough to act as a replacement for the spirit of millions of Americans who have given up on the fight. The most impeccable freedom of speech policy is only as good as the willingness of people to exercise it.

  • Robert St. Estephe

    Greg Lukianoff has the courage to take on powerful institutions and people. But, like the vast majority of “respectable” people there is not enough heart to muster up the courage to take on establishment feminists. It is just to damned frightening for most people. They worry their entire careers would be put in jeopardy. Big Sister, it turns out, is more frightening to tyranny-resistors than Big Brother could ever be.

    PS: Janet Napolitano still kept her job despite the amazing vomitesque sleaze that came to light in the law suits she decided to settle.

    • Augen

      RSE – are you referring to sexism lawsuits with Napolitano or something else?

  • TheMoralGodless

    When speaking in public, I’ve had great success when I’ve first framed my pro-men’s rights position as an argument about positive solutions for problems that plague humanity in general.

    For instance, if the topic is domestic violence, I say something like “We are only able to find solutions to problems when we factually identify the problem. And exhaustive research shows that domestic violence is committed by both sexes, and both are victims of. To find solutions for domestic violence, we need to address the reality of the whole situation, not just one side or the other we may feel a bias towards…”

    Same with male victims of rape, and false accusations. “Rape victims are not helped when falsehoods and myths are allowed to plague the debate…”

    It’s a valuable rhetorical tactic with the added benefit of being absolutely true.

  • The Real Peterman

    Good job Robert! That took a great deal of courage.

    You wrote that Lukianoff “referenced the happenings at Michigan State”. What exactly is happening over there? I live in Michigan so I’m really interested.

  • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

    I admire your initiative and bravery Robert. It’s encouraging to me to read your words. We must think globally and act locally. We can all do something. I’ll be watching the whole video.

    For anyone who is unaware, I’m working on a series called “The War on Male Students.” It’s intended to be a clearinghouse of information on the structural and cultural barriers male students face in education. Here’s what I have so far:

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      EXCELLENT. Posting to our feature video area now. Wow. Great stuff!

      • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

        Wow thanks!

    • keyster

      Great vid TCM!

  • Primal

    Fascinating! FIRE seems to be very disciplined on sticking to the process. That keeps em credible as the non-partisan free speech group because they deliberately steer away from attachment to particular topics. Not sure Greg was afraid of feminism as much as he was sticking to his organization’s game plan…but in any case he helped a lot with his Duluth Power and Control story.

    That said, the antics in the peanut gallery were ever so telling. Particularly that middle-aged alpha babe to the right. She knew exactly what was going on and her behavior spoke volumes. Her kind are the most infuriating monkeys in this zoo because unlike the clowns directly behind you, she damn well did know better.

  • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

    For anyone wanting to see Robert talk to Greg, he starts at 74: 20. Go Robert!

  • Booyah

    A great article and I agree we do need to step forward more. What happened at U of T demonstrates exactly how much feminists fear that. Their blame and shame elixir has been effective for way too long already.

    Personally I present myself truthfully to men and women in my life. Its a measure of respect as much as anything else. So if you know me you’re going to get some red pill views. I also regularly speak of mens issues to people who cross my path. Its usually on a one on one basis but you can be sure that the men in the local shops have heard of mens rights. If they cross my path it will be bought up casually. I probably should start to promote AVfM more with it. Thats probably one area where I should improve.

    What you’ve done is fantastic and I admire it greatly. However for those that its too much for can start with smaller steps like mine. Hopefully in the near future I will step up my game too.

    Presentation is important too though. Make sure you in no way reflect what the feminists paint us as (angry, bitter etc.) The fact that you are affable, friendly and reasonable gives these people a first hand example of a feminist lie straight away and that is some powerful medicine in itself.

    Great article and kudos to you.

  • Falland

    If nothing else, feminism is very boring. The banality of pseudo-scientific dogma and pro-women rhetoric disguised as equal rights advocacy has tuned everybody off and out to the topic. What I find is that people are hungry for a men’s perspective. If nothing else, it creates a drama that attracts feminists like flies. Furthermore, most people inherently understand what men are going through with the possible exception of the brainwashed feminists themselves. It does not take much for people to relate to our experiences so we do not need to exaggerate or embellish to get our point across. We are on much more fertile ground then we imagine.

  • Falland

    Being an MRA is the ultimate Alpha position. Not to be confused with whining or acting as the perpetual victim, being able to speak directly about the truth and not being afraid of the consequences shows courage and intellectually honesty, something betas avoid like the plague, especially in front of women. I am not embarrassed to occasionally say what I think and it is up to others to worry about their feelings. That includes wives, girlfriends, relatives, friends, co-workers and employees (got to be a little careful there), fellow students, etc. Feminists and womyn automatically try to cast the MRAs as betas as a reflexive defense mechanism to cover their own inadequacies not because what the person is saying is necessarily wrong, factually or morally. When confronted with the backlash, a beta will cringe, go silent, or worse, say whatever he will to try and ingratiate himself while an Alpha will laugh or smile and just say whatever. A real Alpha will not waste his time. Another benefit of being diplomatically outspoken is that it alerts the rest of the crowd that you are not particularly interested in hearing about their phony gynecological problems so you don’t have to listen to them belly ache. For some people, you only have to get your point across once and they will remember it.

  • keyster

    You’re so lucky to be able to attend a CATO event Bob!

    Since to me the MRM is getting to be an ever growing echo chamber (growth is good!), I’ve been spending my time in conservative circles promoting the narrative. You don’t get threatened or shouted down. You either get silence or interest or agreement.

    As much as those in the MRM want to cling to an idealist stance of A-political, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it yet again – – ALL social movements must become political to facilitate movement. It can only be ignored for so long.

    The “SoCon/TradCon” element of conservatism that so many MRA’s like to pounce whenever the slightest opportunity to do so rears it’s head – is an anachronism, otherwise we would have been talking about the defeat of Rick Santorum in November.

    There is a new counter to the counter-culture rising in libertarianism/obectivism/individualism. It interests women, many women (watch Stossel on FNC Thursday nights) – not just nerdy button down math majors.

    Thanks again Bob, and I agree with your approach and that’s what I’m doing. Wish I lived in DC.

    • Robert O’Hara

      I intend to take advantage of other events at the CATO institute and perhaps others that involve gender issues. I live here and it only makes sense that I do so. But this does not mean that there are things going on in every locale that involve school boards, public health and the like that come up all the time and I encourage everyone reading to take action.

      Thanks for the kind words.

      • Aimee McGee

        Robert, I so agree we must all try to act locally. I’ve got representation on a couple of publich health locality meetings in two counties in the UK, and I am not afraid to raise issues when it is clear that gender has not been considered or when there is factual misrepresentation of a gender issue.

    • Aimee McGee

      I agree the MRM is going to be political Keyster, but I hope that we can remain as broad as possible in our political outlook.

      I’m a major mish-mash of political stances, because although I am quite liberal over some issues, I am very conservative on others. But overreaching all this for me is the need to act locally.

      In the next 12 months I suspect I am going to become increasingly involved with homeless issues in our rural area…I can’t change the plight of all homeless men in the UK, but I can help work towards improving the lot of those who rough sleep in my local community.

  • Mr. J

    Uncle Sam the Big Pimp………something I saw on Dalrock that I will repeat whenever and wherever I have occasion to…………HILARIOUS and true.

  • Redfield

    Totally get the article, and I am new to posting on this site, and has been more than a little challenging for me! To be circumspect about feminism it probably has had its share of public mouths that espouse hatred towards men and boys with the subtlety of a howitzer at a pheasant shoot … my feelings are that it has mainly a more subtle, insidious covert battle akin to guerrila warfare, and in my opinion second wave, radical or ultra feminism (no matter what it is called) has delivered for women … It has delivered financial gain thru divorce, greater per capita spending for females on the public purse in health and education and public employment and much more …. it has delivered!!! But it has come at a cost! A cost to me, my brothers, my sons, my father, my uncles, my nephews my male friends, my male work colleagues, it is a list that totals half the community I build my life around. And the ultimate cost of what ever brand you may like to call feminism will be …. (please insert your own words) but make sure it is not your dignity or humanity!
    And during my life’s challeges when I needed to hear a woman say feminism has gone too far, all I heard was the deafening sound of crickets:), why? Because feminism has advantaged every woman in a way where the majority have chosen to turn in the other direction and keep their advantage! Without this complicit behaviour I doubt we would be seeing the appalling statistics on men and boys with health, education and general social disadvantage at this period in time!!
    My point is: if you are uncomfortable with outing yourself, be complicit with your disadvantaged majority, give money, put up some AVfM posters … start reading some social research papers on men and boys!!?? I believe everyone has a different path here and outing is not for everyone …

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/Correctrix/videos Correctrix

    Hmm, it’s good to speak anywhere, but a dodgy right-wing group like Cato, with ties to climate-change denialism, big tobacco, Rupert Murdoch, the Koch family and the like, is not a good one to be associated with. It makes it rather easy for feminists to present themselves as people moving society forward, and us as privileged reactionaries.

  • Kris W

    In-order to really organize in real-life we need the mechanism to do so. An online website just for organization on a county by county basis is needed. So people who register online can organize appropriately with people in the same counties. Members of the same or neighboring counties can work together for membership drives. It will also serve as helping to build-up a sense of community in said counties.

    It would be more of a Men’s Voter League then anything else(setting it up as a Men’s Rights Voter League may be more beneficial politically; “one man one vote, many men many votes” as a possible slogan).

    The main point is to use such a website to transition from online activism to real life activism as quickly and smoothly as possible. Protocols for conflict resolution and how to conduct meetings should be addressed as well.

    You could even tether the American website into an International one. Kind of like you see a map of the world and above it,”International Men’s Rights Voter League”. You click on a country to go to the national “Men’s Rights Voter League”, and you see the country you picked and the states/provinces that compose it. From there you click on the provinces/state to find your local “county”(large enough counties can be sub-divided internally to make it more practical, but that is a far off problem).

    I truly wish I was a programmer, but the most I can do is intermediate spreadsheet accounting stuff.