The increase in the numbers of women being proceeded against by police in Australia for violence related assault is probably due to a number of factors.
First, men are probably becoming more willing to report women’s violence against them. We know that men have historically been up to three times less likely than women to report the violence they experience [1]. Perhaps this is starting to change.
Second, police appear to be applying the law more fairly and justly. In the past it was the largely the case that whenever police attended a family violence scene, the man was arrested by default, based on nothing more than his sex. More recently some police have started addressing this discriminatory gender bias and have been arresting perpetrators of violence not simply on the basis of their sex, but on the evidence before them. We note that this does not yet occur across the board: the ‘old school of thought’ still exists in some police circles where male victims are told to ‘just get over it’. More training of officers around this issue is still required.
Third, the socialization of young women appears to have changed. Young women are increasingly likely to consume alcohol at harmful levels. There was a doubling in the rate between 1998-99 and 2005-06 of hospital admission for intoxication for women aged 15-24 [2]. Young women also appear to be increasingly likely to use violence (especially when inebriated). Numerous recent news stories have reported on this phenomenon:
A Sydney Morning Herald article [3] in August 2009 reported that in 2006, police in Victoria were called to more than 3500 family violence incidents in which children were the perpetrators. One in three involved girls, mostly aged 12 to 17. Police also revealed that attacks by boys against their parents rose 19 per cent between 2003 and 2007, but attacks perpetrated by teenage girls grew 30 per cent in the same period.
A Daily Telegraph article [4] in June 2009 reported that the number of women who have been charged with domestic violence-related assault in NSW has soared by 159 per cent over the past eight years. The figures, from the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics, show 2336 women faced court on charges of domestic violence in 2007, mainly for bashing their husbands, compared with just 818 in 1999. Although the number of women prosecuted for general assault remained stable between 1999 and 2007, there was an increase of 11 per cent a year in the number of women prosecuted for domestic violence. During the same period, domestic violence charges against men rose by 2.3 per cent a year.
Recent Nine News articles reported on two incidents of extreme female violence in just one small corner of South East Queensland, over a 12-hour period on July 14, 2011. In the first [5], a 19-year-old woman was charged with murder after allegedly running her car into her boyfriend and crushing him against a house in Brisbane, following a dispute over a pet. She fled the scene and was apprehended on the Gold Coast. The man was on crutches at the time with an injury. In the report, family members said their relationship had always been volatile. A charge of drink driving against the woman was upgraded to one of murder. In the second incident a woman attacked her partner, firemen, paramedics and the media in the street during a house blaze. Her partner reported he had gone to see a doctor to get stitches in his head after she head-butted him, and when he returned, found the house ablaze and he was attacked again.
“She not only destroyed me when we were together, but stopping me from seeing the kids – my life was not worth living then” ~ Steve
It would certainly make sense that female violence is on the rise, because on top of the age-old schoolyard rule that “boys shouldn’t hit girls,” we have had forty years of anti-violence campaigns telling people that only male violence against women is wrong. Just a few examples of recent campaigns include the Federal Government’s Violence Against Women: Australia Says No campaign, the NT Government’s Stop the Hurting, Start the Healing campaign, the Tasmanian Government’s Safe at Home: Tasmania campaign, the SA Government’s Don’t Cross the Line campaign and the Federally-funded White Ribbon Campaign. We haven’t yet seen a single government-funded campaign in Australia telling people that female violence is just as wrong.
Males make up at least one in three victims of family violence in Australia. Some will argue that, while this may be the case, there are differences between the male and female experience of family violence, specifically that:
- Men’s perpetration of intimate partner violence is more severe, and more likely to inflict severe injury
- Women’s perpetration of intimate partner violence is more likely to be in self-defense or a pre-emptive strike against a violent male partner
- Men’s violence towards women is most often an attempt to control, coerce, humiliate or dominate by generating fear and intimidation, while women’s intimate partner violence is more often an expression of frustration in response to their dependence or stress, or their refusal to accept a less powerful position
- Men who are violent in intimate relationships typically underreport their violence
- Male victims of intimate partner violence are far less likely to be afraid or intimidated than female victims.
These claims are not supported by reliable data. [7] To summarize:
- Overall, women are injured more than men, but men are injured too, and often seriously
- The overall physical and psychological effects of intimate partner violence are similar for men and women
- Women and men who use intimate partner violence hurt their partners in similar ways (kicking, biting, punching, choking, stabbing, burning, etc), however men are as likely or significantly more likely than women to experience assaults using a weapon
- Men and women bear similar intentions when using intimate partner violence, leading to similar results when their average differences in physical strength are taken into account (such as when weapons are used)
- Children witnessing intimate partner violence by either their fathers or their mothers are more likely to grow up to use violence themselves
- Self-defense is cited by women as the reason for their use of intimate partner violence (including severe violence such as homicide) in a small minority of cases (from 5 to 20 per cent)
- In a study where self-defense was given as a reason for women’s use of intimate partner violence in a large number of cases (42 per cent), it was cited as a reason for men’s intimate partner violence more often (56 per cent)
- Reciprocal partner violence (which makes up approximately 50 per cent of all intimate partner violence and is the most injurious to women) does not appear to be only comprised of self-defensive acts of violence
- Men and women initiate intimate partner violence (both minor and severe) at around the same rates and women are equally likely or more likely to perpetrate violence against a non-violent partner
Being totally defeated and too frightened to leave my son alone with this monster, I remained and capitulated ~ Peter
- Dominance by either partner is a risk factor for intimate partner violence (both minor & severe). It is the injustices and power struggles that are associated with inequality in relationships that give rise to violence, not just the inequality of male dominance
- Both husbands and wives who are controlling are more likely to produce injury and engage in repeated violence
- Coercion (control and domination) is a frequently cited reason by women for their own use of intimate partner violence, and by male victims for their partner’s use of intimate partner violence
- Even in research samples selected for high rates of male aggression (such as shelter samples), women sometimes report using comparative frequencies of controlling behavior
- In a large recent Canadian study, victimization by repeated, severe, fear-inducing, instrumental violence (often called intimate terrorism) was reported by 2.6 per cent of men and 4.2 per cent of women in the last five years. Equivalent injuries, use of medical services, and fear of the abuser were also discovered, regardless of the sex of the perpetrator and the victim
- Both sexes tend to over-report minor acts of violence they commit, under-report serious acts they commit, and over-report serious acts they suffer
- The same results are obtained regarding the relative frequency of men’s and women’s violence regardless of whether men or women are the ones being questioned
- Males are taught by sex-role conditioning not to admit fear, making it appear that women are more fearful simply because they report fear more freely than men
- Women and men have different perceptions of danger and use fear-scales quite differently. Women are twice as likely as men to fear death from a partner, when the actual probability of being killed is the same. Women may over-react to objective threat, while men probably under-react
- Men have rarely had their fear of female violence assessed. One of the few studies to do this found that a substantial minority of male victims of intimate partner violence feared their partner’s violence and were stalked. Over half the men were fearful that their partners would cause them serious injury if they found out that he had called the domestic violence helpline.
In my relationship with Deborah, I didn’t like to admit that I was scared – in fact it took me a long time to admit that I felt scared and was affected by her abuse. That admission was challenging to my own identity as a male. I could not even admit to my close and supportive friends how much her behavior was hurting me. ~Mervyn
Sexual Profiling of Offenders and Victims
Of much concern is that the Key Objects of the NSW Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 state that “domestic violence is predominantly perpetrated by men against women and children.” As you have seen from the above statistics, this statement is clearly not supported by the available data with regard to adult victims of family violence. And as far as children go, the main perpetrators of child abuse, neglect and homicide are not men, but women [8].
This amounts to sexual profiling of offenders and victims in NSW family violence legislation. Gender or racial profiling of offenders in legislation violates Australia’s international human rights obligations since it creates a bias in the minds of judges and magistrates that a particular class of defendants is more likely to be guilty by reason of his or her sex or race than would be the case if he or she were of a different sex or race (and likewise the other sex more likely to be innocent). A society that condones family violence conditional upon the sex or ethnicity of the victim is not the kind of society in which we want our children to grow up.
To make a protection (i.e. freedom from violence) through government law dependent on the victim’s gender could be construed as violating some of the most fundamental and cherished principles of international human rights law. Articles 2, 4 and 26 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which Australia became a party in 1980, and which in turn reflect the rights set out in Articles 2, 7, and 16 (1) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, are quite explicit and uncompromising in prohibiting discrimination based on sex. Article 26 of the ICCPR, in particular, guarantees “to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as, inter alia, sex”.
[1] http://www.health.sa.gov.au/pros/portals/0/interpersonal-violence-survey.pdf.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2009000-eng.pdf
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/296149/0092065.pdf.
[2] http://www.menshealthaustralia.net/files/Magistrates_Court_data_on_QLD_DVOs.pdf
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/fle/evaluationreport.pdf
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Chapter5002008
[3] See http://www.smh.com.au/national/violence-by-our-girls-increases-20090801-e53t.html
[5] http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8272649/qld-police-investigate-suspicious-death
[6] http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8273179/domestic-dispute-behind-gold-coast-fire
[7] http://www.oneinthree.com.au/storage/pdfs/One_in_Three_Fact_Sheet_2.pdf
http://www.oneinthree.com.au/storage/pdfs/One_in_Three_Fact_Sheet_3.pdf
http://www.oneinthree.com.au/storage/pdfs/One_in_Three_Fact_Sheet_4.pdf
http://www.oneinthree.com.au/storage/pdfs/One_in_Three_Fact_Sheet_5.pdf
[8] http://menshealthaustralia.net/files/Child_Abuse_in_Australia.pdf
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Thank you for this article. It’s incredible really, when I think about my father. He’s a very intelligent man, but he swallows all the propaganda.
In fact, he told me just the other day after reading an article in the paper that one women gets seriously assaulted once every six minutes in the country.
That was the only thing that remained in his memory after reading the article.
I don’t try and get him to see the light any more. I think is just too old, and too sold.
Thanks for the very informative article MRWalks.
However, I’m not sure I agree with your first assertion that police in Australia are changing. You may have found some stats to show some change in police arrest figures in one state, but that isn’t the case with what I seem to get from the rest of the country, when talking to other MRA’s and reading stories of fathers who suffer at the hands of these govt paid goons.
From what I have experienced and know, is that the police in Australia are as brutal as they have ever been toward fathers/men, but are about to get a whole lot worse, due to our femminist PM’s new laws about reducing violence against women.
The police force in Aus is one of the most corrupt in the developed world. There doesn’t seem to be much honour among any of them, and they do not treat any father with respect at all, even if only asking questions. And the female cops jump around like wild bitches in heat, just waiting for the opportunity to slam an innocent male to the ground with her knees in his back or with a stun gun, so she can cuff him and parade her trophy in front of her mangina colleagues.
The police in Australia deserve no respect and they most definitely do not deserve any positive reporting or publicity.
And no, I do not have any stats to back up my claims, only my experience and the experiences of others throughout the country.
Also, out of all these arrests you refer to, were there any stats showing the number and types of convictions/punative measures, stated?
I’ll bet for as long as my arse points to the ground, not one of them saw the inside of a prison as punishment, and if they did, it would have only been for a very short time. Even for first degree, or pre-meditated murder, women rarely see the inside of a prison.
There is no easing of this evil in Australia. From what has been coming out of our ‘out of control govt’ lately, I can only say that things are going to get a whole lot worse, long before they will even look like they are getting any better.
Sorry to dampen such a great well put together article, but I just cannot agree that at any point in the chain, is there any improvement in a positive manner toward men, where we see women arrested and punished more than before.
There may have been in increase in female arrests, and maybe more cops are waking up and sick of the double standards…..but the feminists in reaction to this…..have made laws that virtually take away the power of the police to act in accordance with facts…..they have to act in accordance with radical feminist ideology.
That’s no excuse for the cops though…..if your job requires you to do injustice, and act in a manner that you know is wrong…..then you leave that job……and unless someone has a gun at your head stopping you from doing that…..I’m only following orders or doing my job doesn’t cut it.
Stu, that is exactly my point when I have said in the past that Honourable police are virtually non-existent. Well, there may be some, but I and many others, haven’t met any yet.
Right on, Stu. The more that police officers slowly begin to wake up and understand this double standard, the more vocal and controlling the feminist groups become in reaction. To fight back, the feminists will just increasingly begin to cite examples of men being treated humanely, using their spin-doctoring to reframe these isolated cases as examples of male privilege, misogyny, etc. They will then whine and stamp their little feet on Capitol Hill until all our law-makers get a group hard-on to protect those poor damsels in distress and prove that they are “good” men who will throw men under the bus on demand. It is nothing more than women using their sexual power over men to force men into sacrificial roles. The women’s groups remind me of chimpanzees.
An issue that will be affecting police officers directly will be equality in the police force. You can bet that there are plenty of situations where some officers are more equal than others.
This will give the white knights in the force some reasons to think twice.
For example, it may also give rise to female victimhood not being so believable. After all, if police women can arrest violent offenders, it only follows that poor defenseless women are not so defenseless after all.
I’m also sure that a few knock backs on promotion for men so that women can progress in the ranks will change some views in the force.
It is chillingly simple what they do. Change the definition of “abuse” to encompass everything and suddenly every man is an “abuser”.
Thoroughly evil.
This message is general in nature but in particular to any trolling feminist specially to the fuckface named faturrale i think and the other manboobs freak named julian real shit, the only real thing about you is your disgusting man tities & in regard to the article & Gendered violence as a human being i reserve the right to self protection by any means necessary period. So when a female lays her hand on me,the old notion never hit a girl doesn’t apply to most MGTOW, so after you borrow one of your crazy sister’s bra’s let the bitch’s know.
Not Buying It – I can understand your frustration and anger. After years of subjecting myself to the physical, emotional and mental abuse of my ex wife. Never striking back because every person I spoke to told me that it was my fault and that I should look at my actions and the things I say to see what it is that I am doing to provoke her. I can completely understand your anger here.
However I would like to add that using vulgar language and demeaning attacks only adds to the fuel of the feminist fires. The only way to overcome the beast that is radical feminism is the continued application of large doses of undeniable logic and facts.
I do know from first hand experience that trying to counter their arguments with truth, facts and logic is similar to holding a poisonous snake by the tale. This beast will squirm and twist until it is able to finally bite. However, those women and men are lost causes and will most likely never see the light. What this does do however is influence those that have not gone completely off the deep end of the feminist lagoon.
Making statements like you just did, regardless of anger or frustration merely serves to undermine our cause. It is simply to easy to fight a man who is angry. That is how they have gotten so far. They rile us up and give us a target for our anger and then while we are busy with that out comes the metaphorical dagger and down we go.
They make us out to be fringe society crackpots and extremists that simply cannot cope with the changing world. If we were all to make comments on all of the posts similar to this then any new man coming here would think that they are right. We must stand up for ourselves. However, we must do it in a way that is intelligent and undeniable.
I really hope you don’t take this the wrong way.
It seems to me that an intelligent, articulate comment such as your own will be similarly characterized as extreme by feminists. That’s what they do.
I also think that vulgar language is the least of our problems.
However, it would be true to say that Not Buying It’s post might as well have been “Aaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggghhhhhhhhh Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccckkkkkkkkk”.
I got that he was frustrated, and that’s about it. Otherwise it made no sense.
I hope he doesn’t take it the wrong way, too. What I hope is that he thinks about what he was trying to say, takes a few deep breaths, and tries again.
For my mind, the best piece of advice I would give him is: don’t try and get the feminists to see why they are wrong. Because they won’t. Fuck ‘em.
But if they are wrong, please tell me. Because I need to know the how and why. The better I understand this shit, the better I can FTSU.
Very well said sir and touche!
i seldom respond to anything that way bud, this was a once in a blue moon kind response in reaction to seeing one of the scumbag’s article’s, which i realized after reading it that he does troll on (AVfM) often, to collect what he consider dirt , plus response article’s, for the most part you never the less you are correct though, anger & rage is one of those things they use against us to paint all of us as out of control deranged angry men, thank you for the reminder, & no worries trust me it’s not a habitual thing on this site for me at all bud, actually it’s a first, however i can’t promise it won’t happen again , you would understand what i mean if you see some of these scumbags feminazi site’s & all the name calling that is used to refer to us.
I have taken your advice and went and fell down the rabit hole into the twisted world of feminazi websites. Where up is down, left is right and that damn pussy wont stop smiling at me. I spent a half an hour in a heated debate with some feminazy white knight who was trying to convince me that men could not be victims.
In the end all I got was the boiling desire to just “Arrrrrgggghhhhhh F***!”
They don’t care if their gendered violence propaganda is false. I hear these same lies on a daily basis at Mississippi State. It is truly obnoxious and far too powerful of a propaganda machine to be stopped. It is like a damn freight train of lies. We have an obscenely bloated and funded staff down at the Office of Relationship Violence here on campus, for crying out loud.
This sort of thing reminds me of the chimpanzees, the pole, the basket of fruit, and the fire hose (experiment). Some may know what I mean. It is an experiment worth looking up. There is a controversy as to whether the experiment really happened or not. But, we knew there would be a controversy — it cuts a little close to the bone for people who rely on discrediting human socio-biology and mob mentality in order to build a case for widespread misogyny, which is not evolutionarily even feasible, for sordid political gain.
“They don’t care if their gendered violence propaganda is false”
Correct. This is why you can’t change a radical feminists mind on anything with facts. They know the facts, they knew them all along, and they know their propaganda is bullshit…..how can they not know……they made it up didn’t they.
The reason you can’t talk male feminists out of their positions in things is a little different. They also deep down know that the feminist propaganda is bullshit…..but they see benefits in propagating their bullshit…….they will be liked by women……they will be seen as nobel, brave, basically everything the are not. And biggest of all……they think it will get them more pussy.
I think major progress can be made by taking away the manginas belief that their a benefits for them for siding up with feminists…..we have to make it so there are also detriments for them. We need to target all prominent manginas and expose any and all personal flaws to the public…..any dirt we can find…..and they need to know they are being targeted because of their manginaism.
I’d upvote you several times over that, Stu. I am a huge proponent of something like a Register-Him.Com.
We’d make it devoted to the bigoted male disciples of feminist ideology. I say start with that bitch-ass Biden first, then maybe Futrelle just to throw shit in his fucking face.
I wanna see these assholes squirm under the microscope like the worms they are.
yes and we could add Flood and Fisher as the first Australian scalps!
I agree.
I’d love to see a photo of Joe Biden with the word ‘bigot’ underneath it in the featured offenders area top right of this page just for starters.
Excellent article again, M.R.Walks.
I certainly hope that more men are reporting domestic violence. I understand those who hang in for the kids, but they really need to remember that they, themselves, are as valuable as their children.
I would encourage any man in that situation to get all the evidence they can and then prosecute their case as hard as they can through the courts. Force the bastards to listen to you and protect you and your children.
I know from bitter experience that the courts and the lawyers will try to get the man to “ease up”. They will pressure him to compromise while letting her make all the accusations she likes without any scrutiny.
As for the general rise in crime amongst young females, how could it be any other way. The grow up in a pampered world. They go to a school where there is no failure, where every child wins a prize, every day. If anything happens within a mile of the school, they get counselling.
The child experts, and quite often their teachers, will tell them that their parents are wrong about make-up, fashion, TV, sex, smoking, drinking, and all kinds of stuff. And if the child fucks up in any way, they all blame the parents.
The graduation dress, and the limo to the dance, costs as much as fucking wedding.
Then suddenly, at 18. They’re an adult. They’ve spent years pissing their parents off, so they’re on their own financially, and perhaps in other ways too.
The school and social workers, who were so happy to blame their parents for them, drop them like a hot shit, because they’re adults now and there’s no dollar value in sucking up to them anymore.
They’ve acquired a taste for a champagne lifestyle, but they can’t afford the basics.
And, they haven’t learned the skills or the discipline to work through their problems. Suddenly there’s no prizes for princess.
That they don’t respond to adult life well is not surprising at all. A criminal life is just one outburst away.
There are men who, knowing there’s a DV bias against them, will call the cops as a pre-emptive measure. This will usually be in the case of a woman in an hysterical/drunken fit, and he doesn’t know what else to do.
What cops are starting to adopt is a “letter of the law” approach, because thanks to men’s rights efforts, the laws have been gender neutralized.
If either “party” shows signs of injury they corroborate who and how it was inflicted and take the offender away, regardless of sex. This is soley at the reporting officers discretion, but more are doing it.
Since DV calls are so common, and cops hate them so much, I think they’re just getting sick of dealing with it.
If one party is reasonable/sober, and the other is not, they’ll take the insane person away…for the protection of the other person. 9 times out of 10 alcohol and/or drugs are involved in DV situations. Other times emotionally unstable (BP) types.
The cowering waif who got smacked in the eye and kicked in the stomach because the evil man said his dinner was cold (the ones depicted on shelter billboards), is the least likely DV scenerio cops encounter. It still happens but anymore these are immigrants from third world countries. But then DV is not broken out by ethnicity…for a reason.
“What cops are starting to adopt is a “letter of the law” approach, because thanks to men’s rights efforts, the laws have been gender neutralized.”
I take it you are referring to the US here in the above statement.
Unfortunately for us in Aus, it is only going more the other way. They are creating more gender biased laws to further criminalise men, which gives women the green light to do whatever they want.
No, there is unfortunately little reason for any abused man in Australia to call the cops, because he WILL be the one taken away and never allowed back in his own home again.
Hey Shrek, i think there is a trend toward more woman being targetted by cops here in Australia – the figures i’ve seen over the last 3 or 4 years unmistakably show that coppers are increasingly targetting women -convicting women and letting males off the hook- even if men still bear an unfair weight of being the charged perpetrators. Cant bring the figures up just now as i havn’t saved them, but I’m confident that in the UK, USA and Australia there is occurring an an increasing willingness to see -and convict- women for DV. I agree with Keyster regarding this global trend. But we have a LONG way to go.
On the other hand i agree with your comment above that there’s still an ‘old school’ which targets males by default regardless of the evidence. The white knight cops are the older ones and their numbers are declining as younger DV savvy cops fill the ranks.
Thanks for the update Tarwil.
I am always humble enough to stand corrected!
Unfortunately, I haven’t seen any stats that show any improvement to date, which is, and added to the stories we hear all the time, why I can only see things in one light.
If you are able to show us these stats at some point, that will not only help ease my angst, but also give our Aussie brothers (plus international brothers) good reason to feel that the trend is indeed worldwide and there may be some hope for us after all.
NOTE:
Just as an aside and for the information of all who read this blog. We have been told in the news today here in Australia, that a man (presumably a father), has thrown his 2 year old off of the Brisbane Story Bridge, then plunged to his own death as well.
Whatever the reasons, and God only knows, why these men do this, because all it does is give the seething bitch brigade so much more ammunition to change laws to such an extent that fathers are seen across the board, and in normal families, as a dangerous threat to the safety of children.
And yes, I am also fully aware that mothers generally kill their own children more than fathers do (no stats at hand to prove my statement), but those murders are ingored by the femmos and the establishment.
If only men had the same services that could get them help when they needed it??????
Evidence is important, I hear you. If i can dig some figures up over the next few day I’ll post them here… there’s a lot in the tabloids and online.
Heard about the QLD bridge tragedy tonight, am wondering if it was a family court battle outcome? All the press in QLD who covered this story mentioned another woman who killed her daughter and jumped to her death from the same bridge just a few months ago. I’m scratching mt head as to why the press didnt offer the same generosity in the Authur Freeman case – the press didn’t mention that a woman (last name Garcia) jumped from the same bridge as the Freeman incident with her toddler son strapped to herself, this prior to Freeman’s act… everything was done to highlight the criminality of males based on Freeman’s actions and the Garcia’s deed was deliberately and thoroughly covered up… yet in the recent QLD case the press were unanimous in telling the public that both males and females committ these crimes. To be frank i dont get the double standards in these different media coverages. Might have something to do with the fact that the Freeman case was highlighted as the reason why Family Laws should be made harsher toward fathers and more benevolent toward mothers- the FL ammendments that passed.
If men had the bucket-loads of support services available to women we would not be seeing as many of these cases, you are absolutely right.
Key questions remain:
• When will men finally A-C-T?
• What will it take for them to unite-and-fight?
• How bad must things get before guys choose reality over keyboards?
Men complain that feminists “somehow” create anti-male laws. Yet don’t males know how laws get passed, too? Do they think wimmin meet at night as neo-ninjas to put new laws in secret binders?
Women lobby officials to change laws.
What do men’s groups do in response?
Anything?
Anzac men fought Johnny Turk at Gallipoli. Today they refuse to oppose sheilahs set on stealing their children, assets, homes, and more.
Men grouse online instead of DOING things in the real world.
It’s tragic.
Men settle for cataloguing the whiplashes they endure from feminist floggers. Their refusal to oppose feminists in the real world guarantees more anti-male things will happen.
I just don’t get it.
We hear some misandric “white ribbon” shite is scheduled to occur in Oz this November. That’s 9 (NINE!) months away. Yet I’ve not heard ONE suggestion (or even calls for suggestions!) regarding what men can do to stop it.
Men who remain passive when attacked may not deserve to suffer, but they surely will.
Feminist governance is moving forward at a fast pace in Oz. I don’t understand why the guys that post here can’t all get together in Melbourne or something. There seems to be more of you than we have Americans and Canadians combined here.
What would it take for you guys to gather a quorum?
What help do you need?
“What would it take for you guys to gather a quorum?
What help do you need?”
The country is so massive (almost same size as USA) that there’s a distance factor making gatherings hard. We have to use air travel, and people often don’t have the money to burn. But thats not all – the bigger issue is a justifiably held belief that a gathering will be completely ignored by everyone, or at best its aims will be demolished by a feminised press. Men are afraid to engage in a probable flop, or non-event.
It has been tried hundreds of times in Aus but always ends up like herding cats and hardly anyone turns up. The internat on the contrary has much to offer as a gathering place.
My god: what happened to us?
What follows are not meant as personal attacks, just examples of what continues to flabbergast me:
> “feminists… made laws that virtually take away the power of the police to act in accordance with facts…..
How did feminists do that: with magic vagina dust?
No matter. What did men do to stop them?
> “if your job requires you to do injustice… then you leave that job”
Really? We’re expecting cops to take a moral stand when men, in general, won’t?
We want cops to give up their JOBS while most men won’t give up their couches, TVs, and beer to join a simple demonstration?
How did it come to this: men passively expecting OTHERS to stop misandry?
> “Honourable police are virtually non-existent.”
And MRAs of conscience who take action?
> “To fight back, the feminists will just increasingly begin to cite examples of men being treated humanely…”
And, again, men will do what?
Womyn fight back when they don’t get what they want. What do men do?
> “using their spin-doctoring to reframe these isolated cases”
Which gender created PR, advertising, marketing, propaganda techniques, etc.? Why do we act like we don’t know how media works, what the arts of suasion are, etc.?
Geesh. Guys act like women are all-powerful bionic beings, impossible to counter. It’s as if Mommy is mad and we’re helpless, frightened boys.
> “They will then whine and stamp their little feet on Capitol Hill…”
Because it works.
Meanwhile men will act “reasonably” and “honorably” at their keyboards as feminists butcher their children.
> “It is nothing more than women using their sexual power over men…”
One more time: and what will men do in response?
Oh, I forget. We are totally powerless.
> “The women’s groups remind me of chimpanzees.”
Alas, men’s groups remind me of head-in-sand ostriches. And mindless workhorses. And too often, sad to say, self-defeating jackasses.
If a burglar tried to rob a house, few men would sit there doing nothing. Yet KNOWING feminists rob men (of cash, kids, castles, car, and dignity), guys do…….N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
Truly amazing.
It’s like watching a hungry guy starve to death because he refuses to eat food set right in front of him.
Gentlemen: do you think nazis would have stopped on their own? Why, then, do you think feminazis will? They’ve been unopposed for half a century. Will we let them have free-rein for another 50 years?
1. Auntie Pheminizm
My god: what happened to us?
What follows are not meant as personal attacks, just examples of what continues to flabbergast me:
> “feminists… made laws that virtually take away the power of the police to act in accordance with facts…..
How did feminists do that: with magic vagina dust?
• No, with social manipulation, emotional manipulation and sexual manipulation. All while being backed by men who thought to profit in some way by this.
No matter. What did men do to stop them?
• What could we have done? The men and women in the 60’s did not have the answers, do you?
> “if your job requires you to do injustice… then you leave that job”
Really? We’re expecting cops to take a moral stand when men, in general, won’t?
• Really, we wont take a stand? I have sent letters and protested. I have hung signs and petitioned to have my state remake the anti DV posters to include male victims. What have you done besides criticize the efforts of men?
We want cops to give up their JOBS while most men won’t give up their couches, TVs, and beer to join a simple demonstration?
• That is truly funny. Most of us here are laden with alimony and child support due to being subjected to exactly what we discuss here. Can someone who barely survives on a month to month basis afford to take the time off to go to MRA demonstrations? I would ask you to desist in down playing the good work that many of us do.
How did it come to this: men passively expecting OTHERS to stop misandry?
• A majority of us counter Misandry on a daily basis.
> “Honourable police are virtually non-existent.”
And MRAs of conscience who take action?
• And what would you expect to be done by a bunch of men laden with child support and alimony?
> “To fight back, the feminists will just increasingly begin to cite examples of men being treated humanely…”
And, again, men will do what?
• We will continue to try and spread the truth to those that will listen and debate with those that will not.
Womyn fight back when they don’t get what they want. What do men do?
What would you do when if you stood up and told them enough is enough you were labeled a bigot and chauvinist and pro rape woman hater.
> “using their spin-doctoring to reframe these isolated cases”
Which gender created PR, advertising, marketing, propaganda techniques, etc.? Why do we act like we don’t know how media works, what the arts of suasion are, etc.?
• Yes we could do this as well. However where are we going to obtain the financial backing to make this happen?
Geesh. Guys act like women are all-powerful bionic beings, impossible to counter. It’s as if Mommy is mad and we’re helpless, frightened boys.
• No we are just facing overwhelming opposition by those that profit from the current status quo and those that will profit even more by backing the victimization of the female gender.
> “They will then whine and stamp their little feet on Capitol Hill…”
Because it works.
Meanwhile men will act “reasonably” and “honorably” at their keyboards as feminists butcher their children.
> “It is nothing more than women using their sexual power over men…”
One more time: and what will men do in response?
• I for one will not allow myself to be controlled by a subconscious desire to procreate and as such allowing a vagina to control me. However the majority of the population will continue to allow themselves to be controlled by women in the deep hope that they will get laid.
Oh, I forget. We are totally powerless.
• No we are not powerless. Most of us are still trying to break out of the social mold that has been bread into us. This mold convinces us that we should continue to do whatever might be done to obtain a chance at sleeping with a woman. I have watched as grown men have done some extremely demeaning things at the behest of a beautiful woman in hopes of getting some.
> “The women’s groups remind me of chimpanzees.”
Alas, men’s groups remind me of head-in-sand ostriches. And mindless workhorses. And too often, sad to say, self-defeating jackasses.
• If you wish to demean peoples works and what people are doing then please take it over to a feminist site where at least it will do some good.
If a burglar tried to rob a house, few men would sit there doing nothing. Yet KNOWING feminists rob men (of cash, kids, castles, car, and dignity), guys do…….N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
• What would you suggest we do? I have stood in court time and again and been ripped to shreds time and again due to judiciary bias.
Truly amazing.
• Yes truly amazing.
It’s like watching a hungry guy starve to death because he refuses to eat food set right in front of him.
• Once again, what would you suggest we do? Do you have a plan or are you just cutting down what we do without any actual suggestions for what we should be doing? It is very easy to nay say what is being done without actually bringing a solution to the table.
Gentlemen: do you think nazis would have stopped on their own? Why, then, do you think feminazis will? They’ve been unopposed for half a century. Will we let them have free-rein for another 50 years?
• No the nazi’s would not have stopped without allied intervention. However the allies had a plan. What do you suggest?
“Gentlemen: do you think nazis would have stopped on their own?”
No. So when the allied governments decide to send in an allied military against feminist government we’ll be fine… just like they did against the Nazis.
Unfortunately it’s not that simple. Feminists gathered and made changes within an already existing gynocentric culture that easily accepted their demands. Men have no equivalent phallocentric culture that would embrace their demands for equality. To ignore the culture one lives in and assume it all comes down to incomplicated actions misses an awful lot.
We need to utilize cunning, rhetoric, strategy, direct and indirect ways of changing the culture before action will be effective in the same way it was for feminism. We are half way there… the culture is beginning to change thanks largely to the work of the MRM.
I’m going nuts. I don’t know whether to cry or scream.
Nothing has changed in decades. Men then did nothing until the divorce notice came. Then they sent up flares for men’s groups to save them…the same men’s groups they’d mocked and refused to support (thereby ensuring the groups remained miniscule and ineffective).
The besieged father would also empty his bank account in the vain hope a lawyer, set to fleece him, would use pro-male strategies in court…the same strategies the father had mocked the day before as “unnecessary since men have all the power.”
Today? Men set themselves on fire, jump off bridges, kill themselves and their kids in housefires because there is nowhere to turn for help. Men chatter online like women at high tea.
Feminists have more and bigger blogs/websites than MRAs. They also have state-and-federally-funded women-only agencies. Campuses have such things, too. Plus they have female-focused sections in most newspapers, magazines, etc….even in men’s magazines.
Why? Because for the past 5 decades women thought, wrote, mailed letters, met other activists, formed groups, got members, collected dues, lobbied law-makers, etc. etc. etc.
And men? Guys did very little.
So it’s no surprise that active women’s groups repeatedly kick men’s groups’ passive arses through an endless series of goal posts.
Is it just a coincidence that the National Organization for Women (NOW) was formed the same year as the Super Bowl? Did feminists know they could destroy all men claimed to hold dear simply by distracting boyos with TV football?
I witnessed the same male passivity 20+ years ago. The same learned helplessness. The same blind hope that “some day” things would get better. The same “it will take a long time” excuse for not acting more urgently.
So yes: I sometimes bitterly laugh at men who otherwise seem to be sane.
How did men get in the soup they’re in now? Think doing nothing for decades might have aided and abetted the enemy’s takeover?
Honestly, it’s like guys are excuse-making masochists.
I remember one group back in the day that bellyached about media not caring about men’s issues. A woman I knew then set up a meeting in a church for them. It was attended by a half-dozen big-wig politicians, covered by 3 local TV stations. And national public radio.
She did it TWICE.
Think men’s groups learned the lesson, mastering mass media to get the word out to attract new members, etc.?
Nope.
They kept doing the meek, silly shite they’d been doing forever…assuring their irrelevancy.
I strongly suspect such men’s kids blushed whenever they heard “dad’s” name mentioned, knowing he was so willfully clueless.
Women’s groups pass laws. Men’s groups pass gas.
Too sad.
Yet each year, every year, the MRM swears things will change “one day”…, given enough time.
It’s like hearing guys complain about their rotten teeth knowing they refused to brush/floss for decades.
So what’s WRONG with men? They created governments and armies and so on yet act like they don’t know how to stop a bunch of blowhard byotches.
It’s no excuse to say feminists have tons of weapons now because we not only let them take them, we GAVE them to them.
Can we blame feminists for kicking arses that we endlessly presented to them? Even if we do, how does that stop the kicking?
The non-moving men’s movement incarnate:
A guys stands in the middle of a road during broad daylight. A large truck heads toward him in the distance from across salt flats.
He mumbles, “Oh, dear me. Please, Mr. Truck, don’t run over my sorry, passive butt!”
He says this while making absolutely no effort to flag the truck or move himself out of harm’s way.
Later, in the hospital, he moans: “That darn Mr. Truck sure is mean! Why didn’t he avoid hitting me?”
Sigh.
I sense no urgency in the MRM. I DO sense a lot of fatalism and passivity. It’s like men have given up, have accepted defeat. There are a few futile-but-defiant yelps here and there, but little or no action.
Again, I’m flummoxed.
Guys formed trade unions and risked death to keep their jobs. Faced with losing their children they mostly groused safely online.
Blacks rode Freedom Buses, sat-in at lunch counters, risked dog attacks, water cannon, jail, and worse. What have MRAs done?
Do we really think the gender war will be won in Cyberia?
What to do, what to do…?
Although i sympathize with what you feel bud, let me remind you that commenting negatively in frustration once or twice about the state of men’s movement is understandable, but doing it so often & categorizing it as hopeless & dead in the water before it stands on even stronger legs is a defeatist attitude Sir, get a grip buddy,!! cause let me tell you something,Sir there is a backlash & it has been picking up steam & momentum like a train,Sir, so instead of bringing everybody down with your defeatist attitude & cursing the darkness, light up a candle metaphorically speaking,Sir, cause it’s always darkest before the break of dawn,Sir & do whatever it takes to live & support this movement by any means necessary,by the way consider this as an arm helping you to get up & continue fighting,Sir & like Malcolm X said” by any means necessary” by that i mean peaceful,Sir.
The problem is manginas and white knights. Women are the drivers……..men are the do
Feminists don’t actually do anything themselves………..the whinge, whine, beg, and men go and do their bidding for them. We have to start making manginas pay…….big time. And they have to know that they are going to be made to pay…..be a mangina or white knight……..and we are coming for you.
That’s what we need.
Thank you, sir. Thank you so very much for this.
Hmmm agree with earlier posters as far as Australia goes it doesn’t matter what the police feel personally they follow the law. Under “The Planzenfest” puppies are important, men are not.
Auntie I hear what your saying we need a more proactive approach. Maybe men doing a protest rally in chains with any supporting women as guards. One could be done in each Capital city it will make it easier to attend and harder to ignore. Nationwide, every capital city and any regional centres that want to run with it. Organise video people so if the media ignore we just flood youtube with it and make people aware. If done in CBD’s a lot of people will see it even if the media don’t pick it up. We need a day with plenty of advanced notice and to promote the living daylights out of it and try and pick up men. Attitudes are changing we just have to keep up what were doing and step it up even more.
You guys in the USA should be doing something similar heck even make it a world wide day of protest in all these western countries with problems. The more there is the harder it is to ignore. One world. One theme. One rally. One day. Everyone promotes it and we all reach people on foreign shores via the internet. Its a multiplier effect.
There are many reasons as to why men in western nations have been complacent or perceived to be apathetic.
At the end of the day, what Booyah has said is a great thing and it is something we must do to get noticed.
We need to get the kettle boiling and keep it boiling. Having a single international day of celebrating Manhood, plus spending that same day decrying abuse against men at the hands of not only women, but also the system, is the only route to take.
And this day already exists. All we have to do is get on board and simply add more programs to that day.
And what day is that gentlemen?
INTERNATIONAL MEN’S DAY!