Welcome to the recently overhauled A Voice for Men website. The relaunch is an auspicious time to hone in again on the basic mission here.
The purpose of this web site is to offer information, perspective, and most importantly direction for men living in the age of virulent misandry.
The problems relate to feminist ideology, and you will read a lot about that here. But most of that is just addressing a symptom of the problem. The core of it is what I call Marxist Consumerism. It is a term that would ostensibly appear to be an oxymoron, but is actually a perfect description of where society is heading. Our cultural evolution is tracking toward a dumbed down population of brainwashed consumer units who are wholly owned and controlled by a State that is now a government/corporate complex. And it rules, largely by a system of Governance Feminism. Let me explain from the start:
Feminism is a Marxist strategy designed to undermine the family and all other traditional institutions so that the primary relationship individuals have is ultimately with The State. In the process of accomplishing this, private property, the only tangible proof of individual liberty, becomes a thing of the past. That is your New World Order in a nutshell. And if your eyes are open you have been watching it happen for most or all of your life.
By destroying marriage, creating a chasm between men and women, alienating fathers from children, dissolving parental authority, indeed dissolving the family itself, the barriers to state control of everyone are removed. Think of any social ill inflicted by feminism, and then think about those ills in terms of an agenda for autocratic control of the entire population. You will find they are almost indistinguishable; that one serves the other in every way.
Central to pulling this off was to first vilify masculinity, then criminalize it. We have long coined this as the Gender War, but we have mistakenly interpreted it as something contained to a struggle for control, or even about equality, between men and women. Since you already know that feminism isn’t about equality, let’s take a look at what it actually is about.
Think about laws like VAWA that only recognize men as perpetrators of violence. Consider the emerging “primary aggressor” laws that are designed to make sure that men, and only men, are arrested in domestic disputes. Think about how restraining orders are routinely issued with no evidence or corroboration and how the power of accusation from women has become an epidemic ripping apart the lives of innocent men.
Do you really think all this is just because feminists are just getting their way about things?
If you really think it is that simple, please read and ponder on the implications of this passage from Atlas Shrugged, 1957
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris.”We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against. We’re after power and we mean it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
Those words, published in the year of my birth, have come to dominate and define the world we live in. Trust me, I would not use an excerpt from a novel as a reference source if I did not already know you could confirm it with your own observation of the world around you.
By destroying the power of men, the historical guardians of the family, and of our individual liberties, the state becomes the unopposed totalitarian overlord.
Now, if you have any doubts about the Marxist roots of feminism, and the intent to create and exploit resentment between the sexes in order to destroy the traditional family, take a look at this poster from pre World War II era (1932) Soviet Union. The Soviets knew, just as your government does today, that if you want total domination of the population, you must undermine the family and turn the government into surrogate husband and father.
Because once you take away man’s social status and dignity, and his authority in the family, the only thing he will fight for is a paycheck, some benefits and misguided nationalism. He will never again challenge the government he lives under, no matter how tyrannical or oppressive, because he has nothing of meaning left to protect. And men, despite the pervasive cultural mendacities of our time, are hardwired not to even complain on their own behalf, much less to fight for themselves as a group.
Of course, many people, including many men’s rights activists, have never come to the realization that feminism is something more than just a corrupt anti-male agenda operating under a guise of gender equality. And one picture, while worth a thousand words, is not going to tell the whole story.
I suggest, to make yourself more aware of the history, that you start with visiting this series of essays by Carey Roberts, and reading through the links there to see where they take you. It’s a rabbit hole that runs very deep.
In the west we have been blinded to the true nature of all this massive social change with unbridled, shallow consumerism, political correctness and the intentional erosion of our education system. Children, from grade school to high school are dissuaded from critical thinking and pressured into conformity by a Marxist Feminist pedagogy. It is the perfect set up to participate in a system of higher education that is geared primarily for indoctrination. And it is no coincidence that the indoctrination so rampant in the modern halls of western academe is also an artifact of dominant feminist ideology. The average college graduate today, especially in the arts and humanities, leaves school convinced that men are inherently bad and that women are oppressed, despite the incontrovertible evidence that neither is so.
Any voice of opposition to this has been all but eliminated. By putting a dress and lipstick on Marxism, the social engineers furthering that agenda were able to rely on chivalry and other aspects of traditional masculinity for protection. It is mind blowing. They actually used the people being the most viciously attacked to protect the very people who were attacking them. It is, in all fairness, fucking ingenious.
And at the same time, at the other end of the social spectrum, they jockeyed themselves into further protection by popularizing the charge of misogynistic hate speech against anyone who opposed them.
Yes, quite ingenious.
But the point of A Voice for Men is not to fight against that. And the reason for it is simple.
It is too late.
This Gender War is over and the Marxists won. Whether you live in the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand or anywhere else in the western world, you will find no relief, no solutions in your voting booths, or in the people who occupy your seats of government. They are all bound, no matter their party or their proclaimed platform, to the new agenda. All the legislation that matters, the legislation that indentures men to women and ultimately makes both wards of The State, will be supported by the prevailing powers, whoever they are.
It is not the fault of women, though I say that knowing you may be one of many men who do not want to hear it. They have been hoodwinked as well, and before it is over, but after it is too late, almost all of them will end up enslaved to the same agenda that promised them freedom and independence. They will almost all be working in low paying service jobs, marginally subsidized by the confiscated income of men. They will find that government-as-husband and the cold drudgery life hovering around the poverty line is the only real result of their promised “liberation.” In fact, it is already happening.
But the equally impoverished, disenfranchised men will be both unable and hopefully unwilling to help them out of it.
The only thing that remains for men is their own survival. It is men who are the pack animals and indentured servants of this new world order. And their answer is not in going to war against Marxism, which will only result in the certain evisceration of their lives. Their answer is quite simply…to abandon any notion of commitment to women or vulnerability to them.
The sad reality is that women have become the weapon of choice that government is using to dominate and control the lives of men; to steal their property and income; to force them, in ever increasing numbers, to surrender their assets and live in bare subsistence, and to incarcerate or kill them if they don’t comply.
And the only appropriate response, for the precious few who can do it, is the development of an unorganized sub culture of men that are focused on surviving, and as much as possible, flourishing in this corrupt system. And on sharing that information with other men.
To do that requires men to make job one of a radically different view of women.
It will be a small culture of men who can do it, as most men simply cannot think outside the bounds of their own sexual programming. But .25 percent of a billion is a pretty respectable number.
Whatever size the community of men takes, our lifeline, for as long as we have it, is the internet. It is the only way most of us will ever make contact with each other.
And so that is the purpose of A Voice for Men. The site is here to educate men that the only movement that matters is the one away from the control of women, and therefore The State. The articles and videos here will henceforth reflect that in every way. I will be writing essays on Zeta Game, to explore methods of reversing the traditional power flow that undermines men via the protect and provide proviso and the standard, female entitled mating ritual. There will be offerings with a locus around anti-consumerism; living outside the realm of corporate influence as much as possible. And with the way that men are being drummed out of education and the job market, anti-consumerism will become synonymous with survival.
The emphasis, per usual, is anti marriage, anti commitment, and anti consumerism, but the short route to the point is anti corporatocracy and pro male protectionism.
I will strive to listen to your wishes and include content that you suggest and to address topics that you think are important, as long as it serves the core mission.
It will be a library of information and opinion encouraging men to consider a new form of masculinity, yes, that would be Zeta, that reduces vulnerability to this God awful system, promotes independence from women and points to a path of freer living; eschewing the way of mere utility and servitude.
And so we are clear from the beginning. This is sacred ground, and I mean that literally. Civil dissent and discussion are welcome from men who are on board with this websites agenda. Women are even welcome as long as they are with the program.
But, feminists and White Knights will be immediately and unceremoniously dumped and banned. If you morons are looking for debate, feel free to waste your time commenting on my videos at YouTube.
So there you have it; an explanation of A Voice for Men, and the direction this site will be going in the future. I am counting on you to send me your ideas, post comments and help me guide this ship on a steady course.
After all, it is A Voice for Men, not The Voice for Men. Without you, I have no reason to be doing this.
Now let’s get ready to rock and roll.
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Very nice. I found the part about creating so many so laws it becomes impossible to follow them all quite interesting.
cool
Fantastic article Paul
Really like the revolver map
great intro to go with the website overhaul
All totalitarian states divide the population, by race or class, gender isn’t far off. Wouldn’t say the state is consciously using feminism to get more power, might be a byproduct. Not sure if traditional institutions and libertarian values should be so emphasized; men were conscripted and forced into the role of provider when tradition reigned, and the latter could split the already divided movement politically.
I’m unsure if this is sacred ground or debatable but some men’s issues (educational and health inequality between genders, high homelessness and addiction rates, international aid and attention focused on women, etc) seem the kind of thing only the State has the means or motive to deal with; also seems just as likely that corporations use feminism to make a cheap labor force undermining men’s wages, as the state uses it to get power. I know the state is filled with ideologues and corrupt laws that hurt men (draft, family law, etc) Just want to clarify, if the State’s role in keeping men oppressed is sacred? Either way its great to see this site up and running.
this blog is class
You’re the man Mr Elam
As member of the army of the walking wounded (men today), I salute you and am honored to have the company of your brotherhood. Forgive me if I seem slow. I am old and have been battered on a long time. But reading your words and the words of other like-minded folks I am refreshed.
This article is right on point!!! Its true that marxism and feminism are intertwined like a nicely woven fabric. If you’ve ever read the writings of Bell Hooks or Angela Davis you can clearly see that they support redistribution of wealth, state supported childcare, and a host of other government controlled measures. I am glad websites like these exist, its good to know there are men out there who understand that Western society is being brought down around our ears under the guise of feminism!! Thanks Paul and keep the articles coming!!!
The thing I’ve never been able to figure out — and I don’t think the Marxists have either, if you look at their websites — is just who is going to do that housework, once women have been “liberated” from it.
Wow great job Paul. I really like the way you have this set up. You not only have articles but links to other sites and links to reading material.
Yes! As a man I have always felt oppressed by the expectation that I would need to bring in the money and do the housework. Thus, I have vowed NOT to enter into relationships with women, as they are plagued with power dynamics that are both irresponsible and counter-productive to the movement. Let us Men unite as brothers, friends, and lovers. Who’s with me?
Fantastic work turning the site into a blog. Am encouraged to read all the articles now.
@ Sam
Friends and brothers, yes. But, lol, I don’t think you will get a lot of takers here on the last one.
Happy 4th!!
Cool site Paul and yes what you describe is the latest incarnation of the age old game of dominate the common man, and you dominate all of society. It’s too bad that most women are constantly willing to collaborate with the system instead of thinking for themselves but, then again the male, chimps err, I mean functionaries of those systems have done the same thing throughout history too haven’t they. People keep almost driving back the tyrants only to turn around and invite them back to ruin societies yet again. I hope the cycle finally changes but I’m not holding my breath.
Sounds good. It will be interesting to see how you can develop this vein.
I have a question:
What about gay men? They aren’t such a small minority and they have none of the sexual programming you mentioned that makes them jump through hoops for women. I’m surprised not more of them are with us and I’m also surprised that they find little or no mention in your fine articles.
Just as the lesbians spearheaded the feminist movement it is a shame that gay men do nothing for male emancipation. Anyone know why?
I agree with much of the article; it’s just that I’d replace with . Feminists are IMHO nothing more than useful idiots to the puppet masters behind the scene.
@ attuman
Actually, I did do a piece related to gay marriage once, taking the position that MRA’s seeing it as an issue to take up as a gigantic waste of time.
My take on homosexuals is different than many in the movement. I think gay men have always been seen negatively by society, particularly by traditional men for exactly the reasons you laid out. They are free of the masculine obligation to spend their lives taking care of women. They have much more sexual and social freedom than straight men ever had. So it leaves them as evolutionary dead weight. They serve no purpose in the procreation process as a whole.
Based on that alone, especially since many men are starting to wake up to the fact that freedom from the protect and provide proviso is actually a very attractive way out, there should be concinnity.
But it will never happen, and I am not interested in pursuing it. The part of the gay community that is politically active is decidedly profeminist and misandric. They feel cheated by a world that does not see them as men and naturally, along with every other victim group, they take it out on straight men.
There is loads of hostility toward “breeders” in the gay community, and I don’t see it ending.
So in the end I see gays much in the same way I see women. As they wake up to the fact that they are backing the wrong horse, I have no problem with them. But so far, they, just like women, are screwing themselves with misandry.
Actually I have met a few who are concerned about the anti-male discrimination. They are typically the first to notice it since they’re not blinded by this “sacred femininity” as we are. In all fairness, gays are a minority that has been and often still is screwed much more so than women ever have been. So if they claim discrimination I’m far more open to the possibility that it’s true.
It might be wise to make more of an effort to reach out to the gay community and explain to them that we’re fighting for ALL men’s rights and that includes them. It should be much easier to convince them compared with the “knights in shining armor” for whom there is no hope.
I understand that it might be hard for the MRA to go down that road since it is male heterosexuality that is under attack by the feminists. But that was they’re decision and we shouldn’t allow our enemies to dictate where we fight our battles. Even less should we let them dictate the terms to us by letting them patent the gay rights movement for themselves.
Hey Paul, I’ve only recently (within the past year or so) been browsing MR sites. I figured out a few years back the system was under control of the bankers reguardless of which party was in office. When I was younger (back in the 80s) I read a lot of history along with the bible. Then in the 90s I was into politics and finally reading finance in the mid 2000s I was able to put it all together.
Here’s the funny part, in all that time I never stumbled onto any MR site’s and I thought I was like some kind of genius who managed to figure out the scam. Too funny huh. In a way it was actually good research giving me a wide array of info to draw from but it’s a relief to know I’m not alone.
Great quote from “Atlas Shrugged”. The feminist/homosexual agenda, (I include them both because they are indeed a voting block with the same goals) are a HUGE money grabbing scam. Keep in mind divorce/dv probably make more money than some small countries, with the added bonus of more taxes and extra security forces it’s a win/win artificial, socially engineered and enforced system.
What really shocks me is more people refuse to see this world wide take over. I’m not sure what English speaking country your from. I’m from the States so as I watch the next step in the political arena, (amnesty for 11.5 illegals) I can’t believe that anyone can’t see whats happening. The present administration has just bought 11.5 million votes and what few taxpayers are left get to foot the bill.
The question I pose to you is this. Do you think the feminist’s realise that their breaking the bank or are they just too entrenched in their entiltement/privlege complex that they just don’t care?
The only real wealth of any country comes from it’s manufacturing base. Most women have jobs in human resources, (these are make believe, made up, non-jobs) or their councilors, poltical assistants or some other (my sensibilties and multi-tasking skills are innately superior) jobs. In essence if every woman walked off the job tommorow, what would happen? Nothing. Can’t they see their living on borrowed time? The system in not sustainable.
Pretty long winded for my 1st post here. Keep up the good work. Do you accept articles written by people who comment here? If so I’ve got a mouthful to unload.
Reading the above comments, I thought it pertinent to mention that the only men I’ve yet to convince of the fact that males suffer any discrimination in this society, weather at the hands of feminists or not, either identify as gays or asexuals, minorities not inclined to buy the masculinity feminists ride.
More effort is required to overcome most men’s natural programming and open their eyes, but those men are the vast multitude, and the ones most likely to be hurt by the way the world is now. That said, considering how small MRA is to the goliath against it, and it seems suicidal for the fledgling movement to reject anyone who wants to help, weather they are gay or whatever.
@ NWO slave
I just posted a new article in response to your question. And welcome to AVFM. Glad to have you.
@Unassumption Per the request for submissions I just posted, if there are members of the gay community that support men’s issues, as outlined in the mission here, then I have no reason to make them feel anything but welcome.
Jack Donovan over at the Spearhead is a homosexual that writes for them. I don’t agree much with his alpha mentality, but he is an excellent writer and contributes well to the discussions there.
But I also disagree vehemently with your first remark. Lots of straight men are aware that they suffer discrimination and their numbers are growing all the time.
How do you think we all ended up here?
@Paul
We aren’t that many I’m afraid. I’ve been surfing around blogs and forums for a while now and actively took part in arguing with feminists. Yes, there appears to be many arguing for our cause but a closer look will reveal that many of those comments are from the same handful of people across the internet.
So far, the battle between MRA and feminism is not David against Goliath, it’s a fruit fly against Goliath. We are growing, but far too slowly and other movements like feminism are also growing because of the internet leaving us look like a lonely drum circle by comparison. There is hope but we’re going to need bigger guns.
Gays are our ticket to dismantle feminism. They are heavily protected and represented by feminism which means feminists would never attack them like they attack us. But at the same time they’re vilified and targeted by anti-male laws (other than parenting) and social misandry like all other men. So if we get them on our side, then we can reveal feminism for what it is: A sexist hate movement.
I’m speaking of experience:
Because of my emancipated nature and gender neutral avatar, I often get mistaken for a homosexual or TG or whatever. When I argue with feminists, and they believe I’m not a heterosexual male, they often answer apologetically in the manner of “sorry that you feel feminism hasn’t represented you”.
Sorry, but you not minding gays joining our cause has a disappointing feel of passivity to it. If I didn’t know better I would suspect that to be a politically correct statement but not the whole story.
@ aHuman
Two questions, and thanks for bringing this up in the way you did. One, please explain how gays are the ticket to dismantle feminism. That is a really bold statement. And if there is truth to it, I would like to know about it.
And two, other than leaving this forum open to anyone with opinions that support the men’s movement, how do you propose I be more proactive in this effort? Seriously, what makes more sense than just not caring about what sex or sexual orientation someone is? Not to sound sarcastic, are you suggesting outreach efforts to the gay community? And how would I do that, and importantly why?
I don’t think I can be more clear than I am. A Voice for Men is pro male, with no adjectives in front of the word. But it is not a platform for gay rights and never will be.
I am all ears if you have suggestions on exactly how to handle this.
Women were specifically addressed in the communist manifesto. Their goal is to destroy “private prostitution,” their word for marriage.
Communist Manifesto:
The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production.
He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited
in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion than
that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the
women.
He has not even a suspicion that the real point is to do away
with the status of women as mere instruments of production.
For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the
virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women
which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established
by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce
community of women; it has existed almost from time immemorial.
Our bourgeois, not content with having the wives and daughters
of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common
prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s
wives.
Bourgeois marriage is in reality a system of wives in common
and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly
be reproached with, is that they desire to introduce, in
substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised
community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the
abolition of the present system of production must bring with it
the abolition of the community of women springing from that
system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.
A Question:
I have been hunting on the internet – looking for bogus statistics. The latest one I found was the 150,000 women die each year from anorexia.
I contacted the site administrator – and she actually removed the essay that had the bad statistic in it (150 people die each year from ALL eating disorders – even if the eating disorder is the UNDERLYING cause of death).
I do these things, because I figure that the less “bogus feminist information” there is on the web, the better off we all are.
Am I wasting my time by doing this?
@ScareCrow
NO
@Paul
Well the lesbian rights movement cannot be separated from the feminist movement. In fact, lesbians spearheaded feminism very often. So I naturally asked myself why there isn’t an equivalent gay rights movement that leads the way for a more general male rights movement. How is it that the gays feel better represented by feminism than by us. It makes no sense other than that we have done little or nothing to reach out to them while the feminists obviously have. If we rectify that, then things could take a dramatic turn.
As it stands now, our biggest enemy is the “night in shining armor” (also referred to as manginas). It is they who pass the feminist legislation and give feminism it’s social power. It is almost hopeless to fight them though as I’m sure you can confirm with plenty of experience. Gays however are immune to the feminine “spell” and, as the lesbians did in the past, you’d expect them to notice inequalities before anyone else and make the biggest fuss. But they don’t because the feminists “got that covered” and it became a “gays only rights” movement.
The result of this is that, in the eyes of the public, any counter movement to feminism (like MRA) can only represent heterosexual men’s rights and is therefore very easy to paint as anti-gay (or TS TG etc). And that is often done, most often by feminists. It is ridiculously easy for anyone to convince a bystander that MRA’s are just bitter old men who wish for an old patriarchy where “everything was still in order” where “men were men and women were women”. This is in fact so blatantly obvious that we even end up attracting those kind of guys who, unfortunately, seem to feel quite at home amongst the MRAs. I know that you’ve written good articles explaining that that is not the MRAs intention. Yet, the image of the MRA is still one of “patriarch longing for the good old days”.
So why the homosexuals are so important if it isn’t already clear from what’s written above:
1)There are MANY gays. In fact there are a lot more gays than MRAs.
2)They are far more open to recognizing anti-male bias than any other group.
3)They are protected and represented by feminism so if they turned against it, that could wreck havoc among feminist power structures. It would also reveal the issues with feminism that we’ve tried so hard to bring to public attention (accusing MRAs of rape defense for example).
Now as for how to go about it. Off the top of my head, there are two angles I can think of from which we could approach this:
1) Talk to the already active gay members of the MRA and get them to reach out to the gay community.
2) Simply start including gay rights into our agenda (kind of obvious). They don’t even have to be a big part of it, but they do have to be mentioned once in a while as part of the overall mens rights activism
Bottom line: most of the gender issues that affect us, also affect gays so there’s no reason there shouldn’t be more of them among us. Maybe I’m wrong about why that is and maybe I’m wrong about the impact that more gays could make. But their absence definitely needs to be given more attention.
@ aHuman
I have much to say about this post, but something has come into development here that requires me to wait.
If things work out, I am sure you will be pleased. I will revisit this at the appropriate time.
@ Paul
excellent, about time. I am under the impression that this voice of men has migrated to an understanding and a cogent position. Where’s the donate button.
regarding gays, it would stand to reason that when addressing the issue of reproductive rights, and the blossoming of the new family, which may not and likely will not include wimmin you will have addressed a concern that all men are considering. Reproductive rights may be an issue that broadens the sphere of the collective male consciousness and reach across current divides. There is certain benefits to this that I would not outline publicly on a blog.
No doubt many men have attended community centers and noticed bulletin boards that have flyers posted on them covering topics such as domestic violence, the effects and how to identify them. Maybe it’s time to develop flyers of our own that cover our issues. These could be developed and posted in say the MRM magazine as a tear-out to post in your local community centers. Hey lets have some more ideas from the folks posting, let’s speak up. I’m sure there’s lots of things that can be done that are not subject to arrest.
By the way great quote from Atlas Shrugged.
@ Keith
The donate button is at the far right near the bottom. Please use it viciously, it is still virginal.
I think the flyer idea is a good one. If anyone has the design skills for that type or work (I sure don’t) I will be happy to create a page here for them to be downloaded.
I don’t know how much money a state actually collects from marriages. Although they probably lose money paying for divorce court. Do have any idea for your state as I know my state charges $150 dollars a piece.
re: Gay Rights & the Men’s Movement
I have been contemplating this scenario lately, and have recently re-read “The Case for Father Custody” over my vacation this past week. I hope to be writing a few articles about this and explore it a bit further.
Zenpriest laid down a foundation for this:
http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2010/06/zenpriest-6-death-of-marriage.html
There is a lot of good headway that could be made in this regard, and it relates to many aspects of what men are dealing with (It all comes down to custody of children, or rather, control of economics and reproduction, which are directly related because women are hypergamous and use children as mutilated beggars upon divorce to satisfy their monetary demands).
@ Paul,
Great piece! I’m so glad to see people understanding the Marxist angle, because unless we truly see the problem for what it is, we will always get further entangled in the Marxist web.
There are ways out – although they aren’t easy, and they take deliberate moves, rather than the violent thrashing about what most are doing – which only further enables the Marxist Dialect and enslaves us further.
Marxism can be used to fight Marxism – it is about the only weapon there is. I wrote a series about this a while back, how men should be using Marxism to attack the “base” rather than the new arguments that crop up.
http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2007/09/achilles-heel.html
It’s perhaps not the best written, but the idea is there, and I will be re-writing it in the future in perhaps a bit clearer of terms.
Jabberwocky signing in.
Even Marxism is just a tool used by the global elite to deconstruct society in preparation for the new world order. In the 1920′s, The Rockefellers funded the Russian cultural revolution which caused the collapse of the family and left children abandoned on the streets. They have also have been funding feminism for years. Check out Aaron Russos excellent video, “Reflections & Warnings” on Youtube. The war on the family is just one of several assaults made by the banksters in order to bring about the changes they have been planning for over a hundred years. Climate change, global financial meltdown, the war on terror, the war on the family are all designed to take us to the endgame: Massive depopulation and global governance by a Technocratic scientific dictatorship applying the principles of eugenics. Procreation will require a licence and will only be granted if they have a job for you to do.
Gents, there is very little time left to expose the criminal banksters before they implement the final stages in the march towards a new world order.
Keith: Good idea. I’ll design and write some if someone will give me the issues needed and the relevant facts… I know the issues, but I don’t want to do ALL the work.
@ Factory
My vote would be for a flyer that covered the top ten reasons to not get married. Let me know if you want me to provide text copy.
Thank God for someone showing up and helping us find an actual direction. We’re with you Paul, let the fall of the Republic begin so we can get this over with!
@ Barry
The only way out of this is to find our backbones again. We are men, let them do what they will, we will build it back. This site is just the place for men to become men again.
This is very deep stuff. I mean, it takes some thinking to even accept that these things are happening. But Mr. Elam, if it is too late to fight this war, then what will be the conclusion?The climax? If these feminists are allowed to rampage through societies as they want, walking all over men, justifying wars(like Afghanistan) JUST FOR WOMEN’S “RIGHTS”, and we allow them, what will be the conclusion?The Western World is already strongly hated in many parts of the REst Of The World……………….
Excellent article. I see that it not only has addressed was saying in another post, but more. Bravo!
Mens issues are sometimes always concentrated on the ego of men.,,-
Charles,
“Sometimes Always?”, make up your mind.
If you look at the Issues from MOST People, they usually do centralize around Ego. The reason why why males have found themselves in this situation is because of our egos, which caused us not to see the Feminist Movement for what it is. A tool for the destruction of our society.
Ego, is why the Democrats ae finally begining to self destruct, they think they Know All and ignor their constituents.
@ Gary
LOL! Thanks for pointing out the “sometimes always.” I just couldn’t get that one out of my head.
Rules are rules, though. I will give the author of that one some time to explain that one before I dump it. Sounds like male bashing, but there was so little said it is hard to tell.
But, Gary, do you really think most social issues stem from EGO? Civil rights, etc.?
I don’t think it was ego that kept men from seeing feminism for what it was, but the fact that most men lived by a code that bound them to helping women, even blindly so.
Paul,
I should clarify. No, do not think that Civil Rights or even the Womens Movement had anything to do with Ego, except perhaps for those whom opposed it. The “Ego Issues” I refer to is aimed towards an Individuals grasp for Power or even Fame, not legitimate grievences about Rights. Thought I may have added to the confusion, LOL.
I loved the ayn-rand quote. One of my best friends has been forcing me to finally read the book for years! I’m going to finally take the plunge today, I think.
it’s not my job to provide anything for women.
i dont even let them in my home.
they are not to be trusted.
i love to hear them squeal about men who won’t commit.
Jason,
How can you condemn an entire sex as to not being trustworthy? I have met Men that can not be trusted. I have a Wife and Daughter, both of whom are very Honorable, Moral and above all, Trustworthy. In fact I know of MANY trustworthy women. Your statement makes you sound bitter [perhaps with reason] or even ignorant. You should rethink your statement. I’m not judging you, just offering some constructive criticism.
Cheers
@ Factory & Paul
I am going to start collecting propaganda flyers from community and DV reprogramming centers. I will scan and email. I think it would be interesting to emulate a similiarly appearing notice. The effect would suggest that the message has support from the liberally misandric left. Couple a few days.
I would suggest also ongoing internet polling at somewhere like
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/titanic or anywhere that would offer a polling solution.
Polling issues such as
male suicide
health care
conscription
etc. etc.
Results could be openly posted on MRM sites with supporting articles.
just a thought
@ Keith
I think I can set up polls here through wordpress now, with the ability to customize them much more. As always with me and tech it will take a bit longer than usual, but I think it would be a better route to keep things more centralized where possible.
Also, here is a place that Factory and I have been sitting on for quite some time. I suppose we have just been waiting for the right opportunity.
I will look into what I can do about polls and set up a test run here on site.
Opps, here this the URL
http://www.actioncentral.proboards.com/
Gary,
I agree with Jason on this one. Hear me out, though. I don’t think you will agree, but I bet you at least understand. One of the things we get to set aside here is the NAWALT (Not All Women Are Like That) argument. It is a given in this world that not all frogs are green, not all feminists are intentionally hateful and not all women are untrustworthy. I have a beautiful daughter that I trust with my life. I have a close female friend whom I also respect and have great trust in.
There are also good women who have commented here already. Peggy Spencer, who superbly read the soundtrack to my “Prayer for Joe Bob” video. Trudy Shuett has commented here. I don’t know her personally, but I have heard she is doing good work.
There are lots of other examples, and I have no doubt that the women in your family are among them.
At the same time, women in general, as they present themselves in this culture, have neither my trust nor my respect. (of course, neither do the men who help ruin them with entitlement). It is not because of females, per se, but because we live in a culture that interprets their lack of being trustworthy and honorable as good feminine characteristics.
“You GO, girl,” ad infinitum.
We have to wake up here, Gary. Or perhaps we don’t, but it is highly recommended. We are breeding personality disordered females as the norm in this culture. And while men are a big part of the problem, it is the women who have become dangerous for the average man. My daughter, nor yours, makes that any less true.
Men have to have a place where they can speak up and say they don’t trust women. The women who understand why don’t have a problem with it. And those that do might learn why so many men feel this way.
But this is indeed a place where a man can say that he doesn’t like what women have become in this culture as a whole. I know for sure that I don’t, exceptions notwithstanding.
The “not all” police have no jurisdiction here.
Thank you for being here !!
Well Paul,
I am not trying to be the NAWALT Police, but when I read a blanket statement that like that of Jason’s I have to question it. I see that he has yet to respond. Well it is the weekend.
I do agree that We [Men] need to wake up, that’s why I came to this site to give my support and perhaps even knowledge. LOL. My entire point is that Women are not the enemy, it’s the Feminist and that includes not only Females but castrated Males whom support them.
Going on to another topic, You asked me if I thought issues like the Civil Rights Movement was based on Ego. I have thought long and hard on this and have an answer, but humor me for a moment before I give it.
We have been bombarded with the idea that Ego is a bad thing. I do not believe that it is. Ego or Pride, when used properly has brought forth great Leaders, Inventions and Ideas such as Freedom. If it had not been for Men [or women] with a sense of self [or ego] we would still be subjects under British Rule. Americans are fraught with ego and we [at one time] have produced more inventions and philosophical idea’s [such as equality and freedom] in our short history than any other civilization in the past.
Our Ego stimulates our desire to do our best and not quit even in the face of failure. Ego encourages completion and also acts as a catalyst when we think that an injustice has been laid upon us. Why, because we think that we deserve better.
Examples being,
Martin Luther against the Catholic Church and the Indulgences.
Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks with the Civil Rights Movement.
Thomas Pain voicing against tyranny with his paper “Common Sense”.
The Signers of the Declaration of Independence.
And even you with your website against Feminist tyranny.
[Ok that’s perhaps a stretch LOL]
So, my answer to your question is YES.
Cheers Mate
G
Good luck. I fully agree with your principles. Feminism is truly a crime against humanity – probably one that overshadows any other in history as far as its currency of dishonesty, divisiveness and raw evil is concerned (and that takes some doing). I think, though, you are being pessimistic. Feminism and cultural marxism hasn’t won. It never really has, nor ever can do in the long term. It is a massive illusion and if the sun represented reality – we are living in an eclipse at present. It has happened before – Soviet Communism, German Nazism, Italian Fascism, Maoist communism etc. etc. But the sun always comes out again eventually. Cloud-Cuckoo land has a sell-by-date. It always has done and always will do. But good luck. Reality and truth, although they have ‘time’ as an invincible ally. Help is needed to hurry things along from time to time.
No totalitarian agenda here then?
“But, feminists and White Knights will be immediately and unceremoniously dumped and banned. If you morons are looking for debate, feel free to waste your time commenting on my videos at YouTube.”
The way to influence men is not to ban them because they think differently. Neither is it to prevent feminists from speaking out and thus exposing themselves for what they are. Let them talk and it helps us to hone our arguments and debating skills.
I would add that being anti marriage is the most profoundly stupid thing a man can be. It is allowing the Marxist/Feminists to win and despite what this statement says, they have NOT won. They are though, winning and they are winning because men are surrendering in huge numbers. The aim must be to get men to fight not capitulate as this article suggest we should. The, “let’s all just lie down and learn survival techniques” may have well have been written by Macuse himself.
You lie down and roll over if you want too. This man is not for surrender.
You’ll have more chance of selling ice cubes to an Eskimo than successfully pitching that tripe here.
“… being anti marriage is the most profoundly stupid thing a man can be.”
Mate, you are grazing on a blue pill the size of a hockey puck.
@ Man among Men (now that is funny.
I doubt you would get many to agree that anyone here is rolling over, just a growing number of men that are tired of bending over.
I am going to let your statement stand, but just be forewarned, show pony alpha pukes get ridden in places like this. I could take your post apart, dissect it down (even though your handle says almost everything- God what an eye roller.) but I think I will just pass, and advise you not to think that anyone here hasn’t thought this through a lot more than you have.
Marriage is for chumps in todays world. Period.
Paul,
I may be a chump for being married, but that do not mean that I agree with “M.A.M.”…HHMMM! Think about that one..LOL.
I love the way she, I mean He insults everyone here then trys to invite us to look at his site. What a Bone Head.
Cheers
G
Gary,
You were never a chump in my book. I salute men who have made marriages work, and I believe a big part of the MRM is about trying to expose the plight of men when marriages don’t work out.
Trust me, I see you as a man among men, true to form and honorable, even though we see some things differently.
But holy shit, and man who calls himself man among men?
As Eddie Murphy said about a hundred times in the Beverly Hills Cop series:
“Get the fuck out of here”
Paul,
My tip for the day (if it matters to you). Be more optimistic and positive about the future. Your words, “it is too late” and “this Gender War is over and the Marxists won”, in an otherwise excellent and factually correct article, are ridiculous. Feminism cannot last because feminism is, quite simply, wrong. Everything that is fundamentally wrong has a ‘sell-by-date’, as I put it in my first posting, it always has had and always will do. History repeatedly testifies to this reality.
Quote from David Bentley Hart’s book ‘Atheist Delusions’. It can be applied to the madness and tyranny of the Western women’s movement perfectly (the words in brackets are my own).
“Violent, sudden, and calamitous revolutions are the ones that accomplish the least. While they may succeed at radically reordering societies, they usually cannot transform cultures. They may excel at destroying the past (temporarily, in peoples minds), but they are generally impotent to create a future”
However don’t run out and buy this book though. Although I am a Christian, and ‘Atheist Delusions’ is a defence (British spelling) of the church against fanatical Left wing, anti-Christian, secularism, and a very good one overall – David Bentley Hart’s mind, particularly in the latter stages of the book, has clearly fallen prey to many of the delusions of modern feminism and of the egalitarian extremism represented by Political Correctness (which is just as inhuman, bigoted and cruel as any ancient pagan culture or that of the racial superiority fantasies of the modern far Right). Perhaps he felt he needed to do this in order to get it into print – who knows.
So I probably quote him in a way that he surely would not have intended – but which is very suitable as to what we should expect to eventually be round the corner for us all in due course – that is, to say, a world in which people will be looking back upon feminism, will be shaking their heads and will be saying to each other, incredulously, ‘how on earth were so many people taken in by such blatant nonsense’.
It has all happened before with the eventual collapse of other pseudo-religious, sociological and political, fantasies. It will happen again with feminism. So carry on providing moral and spiritual support and guidancefor men – it is desperately needed. But be more upbeat about it.
Tomorrow is another day!
I always welcome tips, I just honestly don’t find the wisdom in yours compelling.
It is easy to say that things don’t last simply because they are wrong, and utterly impossible to prove given the realities of world history. Plenty of bad things last. Plenty of them.
You might be more convincing if you has said something that offered up more than a “just because” rationalization.
But let’s look at it pragmatically. Say you are right, how long till some sort of proper order is restored? 100 years? 200?
In the meantime, our sons have to survive in this world as it is, not as we would imagine it to be, and the church as it stands today is no more help with that than the National Organization for Women.
Sure, Ma and Pa Kettle may make a comeback. Nothing is impossible. But I don’t think it is wise to advise people to count on it.
Paul, you say:-
“In the meantime, our sons have to survive in this world as it is, not as we would imagine it to be, and the church as it stands today is no more help with that than the National Organization for Women.”
On both counts I totally agree with you. What you are contibuting to, a ‘survival kit’ for men in a world that is openly hostile them, is very much needed. And it is clear that the mainstream established church has indeed well and truly sold out to the blatant evil of feminism and to the liberal far Left (as it did in Germany in the 1930′s to the extremism of Hitler).
All I am suggesting is that there is no point in providing online ‘survival kits’ of advice against the backdrop of the despairing message that suggests that they will be needed for the rest of the recipients life. If people don’t walk away with a degree of hope, you will eventually get few callers (and, at the end of the day, it doesn’t help people survive).
And I really don’t believe that it is necessary. You say “plenty of bad things last. Plenty of them.” Indeed they do. But things that have ever tried to pretend that the human being is something that it is clearly not, at its deepest and most fundamental level, don’t. Soviet (and Chinese) communism lasted 70 years because it employed military tyranny and openly slaughtered millions of its citizens in the process. The scourge of radical (as opposed to equity) feminism has been in full sway now since about 1980 and it too has covertly slaughtered millions of human beings – abortion (in the UK they are even aborting some IVF babies after women have decided that it isn’t quite convenient for them right now, believe it or not).
It can’t go on Paul. And feminists cannot openly employ military force in the way the Soviets and Chinese allowed themselves to do. Yes they can continue to create crazy laws that criminalize more and more men. But eventually there WILL be a mass awakening as to what is going on. And for a variety of other reasons such as, for instance, the increasing, feminist inspired, dumbing down of our education system which will inevitably have knock on consequences such as increasing cultural mediocrity, the undermining of global competitiveness due to technological stagnation and a huge fall in living standards etc. And I really do believe that it will not be that far into the future.
In short, stay upbeat – it helps all – most importantly those who you are trying to help.
PS. Don’t use the ideals of the cowardly and brainwashed fools who control much of the mainstream church in the USA, the UK and elsewhere, to judge Christianity. There are fallible, misled human beings. I attended a lecture in Liverpool on June 25th by Dr Wayne Grudem who was on a tour of the UK. He is an American Christian and academic who is noted for his open condemnation of feminism and of the notion of complete interchangeable equality between men and women. A welcome breath of fresh air in a world of madness. A world of madness that cannot, by logical definition, have a long term future.
Best wishes.
men’s issues are always about money, career and women. those sort of things.::’
This is a beautifully written scripture that encapsulates the socioeconomic and problems with the idea of marriage, commitment, and our very government. I look forward to reading your site in its entirety.
On a more personal note, I recently left my girlfriend of three years. She was making the transformation and I had no intention of being there when she fully flipped to “bitch”. I thank you!
I am your compatriot in the fight against feminism and the larger system!
Viva la resistance!
Well Paul, nice start, but you only have half the story.
And you make your point with half a post?
You are still blaming Eve for the Garden of Eden. The problem is much more intricate than that. But, you are spot on with everything you have. Good Job.
I appreciate your support, but your comments would carry much more weight if they weren’t just unsupported sound bites.
I agree with everything you have posted and so eloquently. But, I don’t know if you are ready. You have to let go of your anger to be effective.
You are very good with your words, but you are like a mad-man alone in the forrest throwing rocks at shadows.
I don’t think you are very bright, at least not near as bright as you think you are.
Tell me, what is effective?
Since you seem to think you know what my goals are, perhaps you can tell me how you think my anger is getting in the way.
Anger, first you must conquer.
Then, shown to you, the way will be.
(…Sorry)
@ Eincrou
LOL! I was expecting to see him in a full vision, sitting in a semi-lotus, purple smoke rising above his head as sitar music fills the air.
Too 60′s for me. I spammed him and will let him post again if he ever decides to make complete and cogent points.
Paul, don’t waste your energy on meaningless comments and insults. Our enemies are getting desperate because you are just so damn effective, a natural leader of men. They will attempt to destroy your confidence. Save your time and energy for higher level conversations that are more deserving. Ignore them, don’t let them have the satisfaction of a response.
Like water off a ducks back!
@ Denis
Consider it done. And feel free to reel me in any time.
There is truth here but something keeps nagging at me. The constant disclaimer of feminism and the yet further disclaimer of marxism. In my opinion women are malleable,gullible and lack vision.The statements they make are ludicrous,they are therefore stupid, driven on by one thing and one thing only-their sexual power. The day someone creates a pill that desexualizes them in our eyes, then that is it. It is over. I don’t for a single second believe that the nature of women has transformed over the ages. Go back in time and the same nonsense will be as visible then as it is now. All this talk of marxism, feminism etc just subverts the fact that women are this way by nature. The good thing is,they have demonstrated, to their everlasting detriment, just how bad,irrational, and ridiculous they really are. Time to stop pandering. It is no good asking a women-are you a feminist?-before ignoring them. It has to be all women-I think you said this…your reference to your daughter indicated this.
Anyway, I think little is achieved until economic consequences are felt. Somehow it is this element that must be accelerated. And this brings me to many businesses. They seem to be the unpaid enforcers of most of the governments lunacy. It’s time that was recognized and dealt with. I had considered publishing an observation list of all the misandry present and implied by business on a weekly basis. Let them know they are under observation. If I had the funds at my dispoal I would have it distributed as FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE. THE INTERNET IS NOT ENOUGH. IT MUST BE TANGIBLE AND VISIBLE. There are thousands of examples of this nonsense visible on TV daily. I myself have watched editors foolishly leave in parts which undo the notions of power of women. The documentary describing the construction of the Panama canal was a classic. Each and every example should be noted. Even the ludicrous attempt to have women deepen their voices during commentary sections does not escape my notice. Perhaps that would help, seemingly meaningless things that go unnoticed brought to the forefront of attention. I don’t know…something that is ongoing is vital-regularly updated…so that the relentless barrage is exposed. We can’t just walk away…much as I think the best thing that could happen is if we could take back all our creations and leave women to face the barren lands alone and unaided. This is the product of the cocoon we personally have created. We can take it away..watch a great ship rust and disintegrate through lack of maintenance. Society is no different…but somehow urgency and the thought of my grandson’s future makes it imperative that action is the watchword.
All I can think now is why was I not educated on this subject at 14 years old. I suspect some males were, I far from it. My father was, is a complete stepford husband and it makes me so sick. The guy bought a house in 1972 with my mothers approval for $19,000. Today they are moving because of foreclosure – cant make payments on the $300,000 triple mortgage. Dad has had several opportunities to retire wont do it because he has to fund my marxist minded momma. At sixty five he truly looks and feels like hell. Recently I rented a studio apartment in the house of a man my father went to school with he appears 15 years younger but is also 65. By the way, landlord divorced in 1972 never married again has been retired for 2 years is healthy not depressed but active in a physical and mental way. I was brainwashed and married for 20 years should only have been less than five or never but I am finally single again at 40 and making one hell of an adjusment and wake up for shure. The sexual imprisionment is the wierd thing – I think now that I am older I can afford a different perspective like that I’ve been out had more partners and the wierd thing is I worshipped them all enjoyed every “drop” of the sex we had. So why did I get hell bent on just one woman in my teenage years and stay with her till my late 30′s. Children… she mysteriously got pregnent 3 times while on the Pill, I was responsible I thought and needed to support the whole clan. Well it was an adventure though not one I’d reccomend to my three sons, if they ever will talk to me again cause they’ve been brainwashed by mommy. Now I am giving mommy 40% of my income wich is better than the 160% I used to give her but I got frustrated with my chapter 7 bankruptsy And the fact that my income even though it is half of what I made 4 years ago is almost too much to qualify, within dollars and so I quit my job this month too make sure I qualify. And I will not work in the near future because I am selling all my tools my car and motorcycle to finance a vacation to volunteer at the wooden boat festival in Port Townsend. I am awake!
I was directed here from angryharry.com.
I am in agreement with nearly everything in your essay; but I think one of your conclusions is … hasty. One of the things Rand emphasized was the “sanction of the victim,” the permission given by the oppressed to his oppressor to oppress him; and one of the ways the oppressed does this is by allowing his oppressor to use his own virtues as a weapon in that cause. As you say, draping a dress on Marxism was instrumental in doing this to men.
We must not allow our virtues to be used as weapons against us. However, I do not think this requires that we reject commitment to wives and families. Commitment is merely an aspect of that deeper value, which is love. I’m not speaking of altruism or self-sacrifice. The key to loving in this environment, it seems to me, is to recognize the impossibility of expressing that love under the old paradigm, which no longer applies. We are no longer free; reward has been divorced from effort, and opportunities are gone. Whereas, when we were free love would motivate us to go out and bust our asses to provide for our families, now, we recognize that busting our asses is pointless. Under the new paradigm, love is no longer about improving the lives of our families; it’s about mere survival.
In other words, I don’t think the solution is to eschew marriage and commitment, but rather to understand them differently under the new paradigm. This requires us, perhaps, to have a deeper understanding of their essence, to see what they are at their root rather than in the guises in which they have heretofore been familiar to us.
I am in complete agreement with anti-consumerism, however. I remember the philosopher in Rand’s novel, Hugh Akston, who chose to flip burgers rather than expend his giant intellect in the service of a society gone mad. Not only should we stop consuming, we should stop producing as well. Rand’s solution is a good one. We must go on strike.
I hope this disagreement isn’t such as to get me banned. I am frankly amazed to find that I agree with almost everything you’ve said. And I’m very surprised to find someone admitting the war is lost. That’s not something most people will allow themselves to conclude.
@ Tom
Your comments and your thoughtful dissent are welcome here. No one will be banned here for disagreeing with me or the other writers. In fact, the kind of comment you present here is needed to spark good discussions. So feel free to keep them coming.
In response to your crit, I think we have to remember that it is not wives or families at the root of our problem, but the systems in place that make wives and families such dangerous places for men to be. And I would certainly consider that an appropriate response to your call to “understand them differently under the new paradigm.”
The question becomes what do we do about it?
I would love a solution that didn’t drive final nails into the family coffin, but despite searching for something tenable in real earnest, I have not seen anything that makes sense for men other than to extent the strike to lives as husbands as well.
If you have some detailed ideas, I would love to hear them.
And welcome to A Voice for Men. We are glad to have you here.
Tom, I also read and enjoyed “Atlas Shrugged,” and have thought many times since about how I might go on strike, now that I see the populace of this land mass in the general terms that I do. The death of the family will be hell on children, but you must also consider the children that MIGHT have been created if men didn’t shrug.
One way for men to shrug and show their displeasure is to refuse to reproduce. A writer whose words I read at MensNewsDaily years ago proposed boycotting Valentine’s Day. Men ought to shrug in this manner. It is peaceful. It is manly. It is silently shouting out the issues that plague most men. Paul has endorsed jury nullification, an act that any libertarian or anarchist can embrace freely.
I have more ways, including turning off the television permanently, calling up the voter registration office and having your name taken off the list, even pulling your money out of the banks and putting it in a safe. There are so many ways for men to shrug. The more men who join in, the more men I can consider my friends.
So I join Paul in welcoming you. Shrug away.
Thanks, Paul & B.R., for your words of welcome.
One of the difficulties in discussing this subject is that it is founded in woundedness. We are like burn victims; we flinch at the prospect of touch. Since love requires openness and vulnerability, it is tempting to jettison love and relationship in order to protect ourselves.
Marriage can be framed in terms of power-relation or in terms of mutual commitment to love one another. In my opinion, the challenge of human life is to rise above the temptation to view life in terms of mere economics and view it instead as a venue for loving.
Children may be unruly, uncooperative and disobedient at times; but that doesn’t stop most parents from loving them. Why not? Are they responding to some moral imperative, some “ought to” imposed on them by society? or are they responding to some deeper impulse, an impulse of love?
Although some people frame this as “self-sacrifice,” I disagree. It is not a sacrifice, but a gift. Sacrifice is a win-lose, either-or concept, self-centered and negative; giving is a win-win, both-and concept, other-centered and positive. This distinction is everything. Rand’s “selfishness” was in opposition to what she perceived as a moral imperative, imposed by society and culture on the inherently unwilling self, to self-denial; but love is not about self-denial. Love doesn’t give of self unwillingly and in response to an imperative imposed from without. Although sometimes it requires self-discipline, love is essentially an impulse from within. We are not driven, but drawn to love.
Let’s say I have a controlling spouse who uses her temper to encourage me to give in to her wishes. If my focus is power, “fairness,” “equality” or “justice” within the relationship, then I will struggle with her, demanding my rights. (As society is increasingly feminized, this becomes more and more a losing battle.) However, if my focus is love, I won’t struggle. I will either do what she wants or not do what she wants, depending on what love requires. My course will not be determined by her actions, but by my own integrity and my core values.
This is not an easy way of life, particularly in these times. I don’t believe most young people are ready for marriage, because they are too self-absorbed to make commitments of this nature. Children compound the difficulty; and, with the state actively subverting parental authority, it will only get harder for parents to raise children. I don’t fault any man who rejects marriage and children for himself; but I disagree with rejecting them as a matter of principle. Love is a good thing, and if someone chooses to give — not sacrifice, but give — of himself to a wife and children, I say, more power to him. He’ll need it.
When I spoke of a new paradigm, I was simply thinking of the fact that many of the unspoken assumptions about what it means for a man to relate with love and integrity toward others may no longer be valid; they may be based on circumstances that no longer exist. The core value of love doesn’t change; but how it expresses itself may change, depending on the circumstances. We need to think about this, and I think this website is attempting to do just that.
While loving and openness are good things, and I think the best things, not everyone is called to embrace them in the same way or to the same degree. If a man chooses to avoid women altogether, I won’t fault him. I just think rejecting marriage in principle is throwing the baby out with the bath.
Something occurred to me that I think will infuriate the feminists in your life. Can you imagine the reaction you’ll get if you simply refuse to argue with them? Just smile and nod or shrug, and then go about your business. It will drive them nuts. They need your argument (and the capitulation which follows) to validate them — so don’t give it. They may have power over you and may be able to force your compliance in this or that area of your life; but they can’t own your soul unless you let them. Don’t give the oppressor your sanction.
“Because once you take away man’s social status and dignity, and his authority in the family, the only thing he will fight for is a paycheck, some benefits and misguided nationalism.”
So what you are saying here is that you think women are inferior, and should defer to the man’s “authority”. I think you demonstrated through clear cut misogyny the need for social reform. Thank god for feminism.
I should make a second point here. I agree with some of what you say, only you have it backwards. Definitely we are all as a working class (includes men and women) going down the gurgler. However this is under the clear system of capitalism not marxism.
I will give you an example. You probably know that Australia has a hung parliament at the moment as the result of having two extreme right wing nuts up for election. This is only allowable under capitalism I believe. Tell me where the left wingers have any power in this situation…(as they would if it was a marxist society).
Feminism and having to deal with American women in the workplace on a daily basis has turned a generation of Americans into lifeless zombies and they have absolutely no clue of what they have become. This is a sure sign of bad things to come. It will only get worse from here on.
Hello-
I’m a long time MRA. I was among the first commenters and did some writing on MND beginning in 2000. I have been a long time friend of AngryHarry. MRAs from MND know me as “Denis” although that username has been taken here on this site. The theme of this piece here has been previously presented before and it is encouraging to see it promoted here on this site. I include my previous links and select posts from 2005 that may be relevant to your community discussion:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?s=Frankfurt+School&comment_status=all&pagegen_timestamp=2011-07-13+00%3A40%3A27&_total=112817&_per_page=20&_page=1&_ajax_fetch_list_nonce=f3dbdba500&action=-1&comment_type&paged=1&action2=-1
Gramisci and Marcuse were principals of The Frankfurt School. I posted discussion of The Frankfurt School back in 2005 in 2006 (the first to do so here at MND).
Go to:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2005/08/15/islam%e2%80%99s-debt-to-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-8584
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/04/radical-feminists-useful-idiots/
Some excerpts
“I too believe that the feminists are useful idiots. The first casualty in this has been men and boys. But women will be paying a noticeably bigger price now and in the future.”
“Ironic, isn’t it that the true power is not an invisible “patriarchy” but the fact that Marxists and capitalists have gone to bed? Similarly, governments and corporations have also gone to bed.”
“Steven, I recommend that you do some future research about The Frankfurt School. This was a Marxist school made up of philosophers and other elites at the time, in Germany, around the 1920s. They fled Germany during Hitler’s reign (he actually gave them incentives to leave as he hated Marxists) and set up shop in the U.S., notably at Columbia University in NYC. ”
“They gained a lot of influence with elites in this country, including the government, corporations, universities, and foundations. If people wonder why the rich and famous considered marxism “chic” in the 1960s, and why so many activists then had Marxist leanings, well, The Frankfurt School had much influence on this.”
“Graduates of The Frankfurt School at Columbia reached high places within government, corporations, universities, foundations. The goal of The Frankfurt School was replacing the current social order with what we see today. The Family was one of their main targets. They have realized most, if not all, of their goals from 60 years ago.”
“It’s all about raw power. The family is the greatest force against a powerful and dominating government. A strong family needs only one car, one house, one refrigerator, one….on and on. Broken or non existant families doubles the market for goods and services. Again, the government and corporations work together and the marxists and capitalists work together. Since corporations look like a snapshot of a socialist organization today, one could say that the capitalists have become socialists in how they run the business. But socialists too enjoy money (for themselves and their shareholders). In the past, corporations promoted women’s issues (affirmative action). Now they’ve taken things to the next step: diversity. This will soon include, gays, lesbians, transgender groups targeted for privilege. Other groups have already been welcomed into the Diversity Tent. (Sorry, Caucasian males are still banished to the plantation).”
“Another area in which corporations and government work together is in labor supply. Rapidly doubling the workforce as was done when women entered in large numbers will drive down incomes. This benefits corporations. And again, it is government who is the front-man for corporations, as it is the government who enforces affirmative action. Look at the illegal alien situation tody. The government is doing the dirty work for business to keep a steady supply of even more cheap labor. The government does not give a fig about “citizenship”, the middle class, or the taxpayers that make it possible for the government to even operate. They work for the corporations. Raw power. In the hands of a few.”
“”You say,””
“The nuclear family is in trouble (although in fairness this is due more to the collapse of real, debauched-dollar-adjusted wages forcing both parents to work).”
“The issues of feminism and “debauch
ed-dollar-adjusted” wages are related. (This is the only disagreement I have with your column.)
Look at business going to China. Socialists and ca
pitalists can work together when they can serve each others interests. These people do not give one damn about America. They easily could (and will someday) sell out the market (and the country) that made them what they are today for more raw power.”
“The women have been duped for 40 years. They have created a nightmare for the men and have also created their own nightmare. The true invisible powers don’t care about God, Country, Family. Just their own raw power for global dominance.”
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2005/08/15/islam%e2%80%99s-debt-to-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-8584
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/04/radical-feminists-useful-idiots/
Steven, your column is good and I hope you spread the idea around using your position as an academic and writer. The idea is not new however. It has actually been discussed in blogs before including here at MND in the past. But it never probably reached a large audience at the time. Yours is the first column that I have seen that approaches the subject. Again, good job.
I too believe that the feminists are useful idiots. The first casualty in this has been men and boys. But women will be paying a noticeably bigger price now and in the future.
Ironic, isn’t it that the true power is not an invisible “patriarchy” but the fact that marxists and capitalists have gone to bed? Similarly, governments and corporations have also gone to bed.
Steven, I recommend that you do some future reasearh about The Frankfurt School. This was a Marxist school made up of philospohers and other elites at the time, in Germany, around the 1920s. They fled Germany during Hitler’s reign (he actually gave them incentives to leave as he hated marxists)and set up shop in the U.S., notably at Columbia University in NYC. They gained a lot of influence with elites in this country, including the government, corporations, universities, and foundations. If people wonder why the rich and famous considered marxism “chic” in the 1960s, and why so many activists then had marxist leanings, well, The Frankfurt School had much influence on this. Graduates of The Frankfurt School at Columbia reached high places within governmnet, corporations, universities, foundations. The goal of The Franfurt School was replacing the current social order with what we see today. The Family was one of their main targets. They have realized most, if not all, of their goals from 60 years ago.
Yeah, good name. What took you so long to show up? MND died quickly when Paul left and now it’s just a so-con site rather than a men’s rights site.