Truth is regarded as a terrible word in this age of deconstruction. ~ Katherine Young, while fielding questions at the Conference on Male Studies.
Imagine this scene: The government and media are working in concert to produce propaganda that legitimizes hatred and violence perpetrated by one half of the population on the other. They use the theories and philosophies of an individual that attempted to murder two people based on their sex, and develop material that is shaped and molded to influence the minds of young people, then they disseminate it through high schools.
Now imagine this: Anyone who objects to it is branded a “radical.”
If this sounds like the story line for some dystopian novel; something that would even elicit shudders and chills from Franz Kafka, think again. This is actually a modern non-fiction; a news report being played out in Sweden, a country that has become the most prolific purveyor of class hatred since post Weimer Germany.
For those that have not seen it, here is a self-explanatory example of Swedish wares. And another tidbit that has emerged since this video was highlighted on this website is brought to us courtesy of the shooter in the video, Josefin von Zeipel Segerberg, who reportedly attends school at the University of Gothenberg, Gothenberg, Sweden. She has also been identified as the director of the SCUM Theater in Sweden.
Josefin von Zeipel Segerberg
Segerberg is also involved in a performance in celebration of “Straight Hate Day,” an attack on heterosexuality in Swedish culture. The writer who reported this story on Straight Hate Day claims they don’t really hate straight people, just the heterosexual norm. I would ask how far a leap it is between hating heterosexuality and heterosexuals, but that question would be interpreted by Swedish newspaper ETC. as a threat and a hate crime, which brings us to the real point.
After my recent interview with ETC Editor Eigil Söderin, it came as no surprise that she gutted the conversation and reduced it to what she felt she could use to demonize me and the men’s movement, painting us as violence advocating misogynists bent on causing harm to women. That is pär for the Scandinavian course these days. To be fair, much higher profile media sources have tried than ETC, which is a significant website in Sweden, but actually gets less traffic than AVfM.
Still, the larger question remains.
What, in the current political zeitgeist and climate of sexual hatred against men and boys, is the appropriate stance to take? Well, Pelle Billing, a known MRA from Sweden, has made his feelings known in his interview with ETC. He said, and I am paraphrasing through the Google translator here, that “We were in contact when Paul Elam was Editor of Men’s News Daily, when I experienced him as a pretty calm person. Since then he has radicalized.”
And if that is what Pelle said, then he is half-correct. I still consider myself level headed. But yes, I have radicalized. And so will you Pelle, if you actually want to get anything done.
That is not a personal indictment of Pelle Billing. He’s done a great deal of work on men’s issues. But unless his quote was taken out of context, he is dead wrong on this. Did I really hear Pelle telling a newspaper that is supporting murder-based-on-sex advocates of the SCUM Manifesto- which they are treating like a mainstream political movement – that he is concerned that Paul Elam has radicalized?
WTF, Pelle? Say it ain’t so!
Now, of course, the quote from Pelle was just the sort of fissure creating fodder that Söderin was looking for. Her attempt here is to divide MRA’s and hopefully weaken us; stall our growth. That tactic reveals a great deal of ignorance of the MRM as a phenomena, though, and a failure to understand that if anything, they have only served to make us collectively stronger. In the end, I am not going anywhere, and they are now more likely than ever to have to deal with Pelle, who remains a valuable asset despite the gaffe.
Also, before anyone becomes upset with Dr. Billing, please consider that there is a lot that could be lost in the translation here, as well as the distinct possibility that ETC is just outright lying about what he said. I have no ill feelings at all.
One of the lessons here in my mind is that words like extreme and radical are really just so much semantic quicksand. From the calls to destroy the nuclear family, to the promulgation of countless lies, to the SCUM Manifesto and that horrific video, to the celebration of hating heterosexuals – it is hard to imagine things already being less radicalized.
I search my conscious for the willingness to emulate any of this toward any group of people, including feminists, and I find nothing that will allow it. I have no capacity to stage a mock murder and orgiastic dance of celebration or licking the blood off of a victim’s wounds. I have no ability to embrace a hatred of any sexual preference and actually plan its traditional celebration. Hell, I don’t even have the brazenness to make up statistics or revise history in order to achieve political goals. And I am the radical?
What I do have is the willingness to “out” hate mongers and put a light on them in front of as many people as I can. It is one of the very few weapons I have in a misandric zeitgeist dominated by government, media and social complicity. And it is one I use not with a wish for harm, but with sadness. Misandry is an evil. It must be confronted and its purveyors must not be allowed to wrap themselves in the comfortable shroud of impunity.
And let us be clear here. While ideologues and news reporters, already demonstrably deficient in integrity, will paint this as incitement to violence, I will instead remain focused on the truth. This is a reaction to the ideological and real violence that feminism has fostered for fifty years and which now has taken a governmental seat in the country of Sweden.
I not only have a right to present what is already public information, I have a moral obligation to identify the agents of hate wherever and whoever they are. I intend to fulfill that obligation regardless of objection or dissent. If you don’t want to be identified as a bigot and a social criminal, then quit advocating murder and hatred.
John, please put this disgusting bigot on the registry.
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Feminists have been gorging themselves on the rich carcass of western society for the last 40 or so years. They are quite used to the spoils of dominance, which they are not going to relinquish easily. But, as the reality of this vile movement are exposed to the bright light of scrutiny, and more people, both men and women, see for themselves the full horror of what really comprises feminism, their ugly regime will surely fall.
Bears repeating,
Highlighting the parasitic nature of the scourge.
Maybe the biggest enabler of femaleism is the nice, shiny, cozy, air conditioned hives built exclusively by MEN, the colonization of which permitted females to feign ‘work’, and then formulate all sorts of absurdly fake claims like “equal pay” and the more desperate and insane lie “equal pay for equal work”.
If femaleists had a shred of decency or integrity, they would build a shrine to the MEN who enabled them to ‘work’ by doing inane, safe and comfortable office tasks, protected from the harshness of nature.
“If femaleists had a shred of decency or integrity……”
Problem is…they have NONE! ZERO! ZIP! NOTHING! NADA!
For those hoping to see more hatred, take a look at this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/louis-ck-apple-is-a-woman-microsoft-is-a-man-2011-11
and
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/161/louis-ck-on-female-culture
Disgusting. Pandering to pop psychology, but what to expect from a self-hating media whore?
Most females have the freedom to indulge more in the ‘wonders’ of relationships, because they are being supported by MEN who often don’t have the luxury. It has nothing to do with ‘better company’; more privileged and spoiled company maybe.
I’ve scraped shit from the sole of my shoe that was more deserving of respect than that guy! I’m profoundly grateful that he doesn’t have any sons to screw up. Even better if he hadn’t had any kids at all!
Well, Louis C.K. has one thing right: He’s a failure, just in being.
…And indisputably a failure as a comic. Did anyone split his sides at anything this assclown had to say?
As the non-feminist groundswell continues to grow worldwide, it is inevitable that it will come to incorporate the entire spectrum of human nature. There is no help for this.
The ETC people are building their propaganda upon the moral perfection fallacy.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/two-feminist-fallacies/
BTW, good essay, Paul.
First, minor nitpicks/queries. Is the quote at the top from “Cathy” Young? Also, I believe it’s “Kafka.”
Now, I hope your buddy over there isn’t starring in a movie called “Pelle the Conquered.” :>)
Wouldn’t be surprised though. From what I’ve read, Sweden went from making Saabs to becoming a land ruled by a mob of “sob sisters.” The “Land of the Midnight Sun” has devolved to one of benighted manginas and moonbat womynz.
One of the byotches who cried raped on Wikileaks’ Assange was the Swede, Anna Ardin. While at Uppsala University she was (as one wag put it) “some sort of equality watchdog.” This Ministress-of-Poonani, this enforcer of feminist PC, actually penilized (!) some hapless male student for looking down to write notes while she lectured. She said he’d committed the patriarchal sin of NOT bestowing on her his “male-gaze.”
Geesh!
I wouldn’t be surprised if some third world nutcases invade Sweden soon. With their coed military and whacked social agenda, they’d be easy marks.
How incredibly insane (and, therefore, feminist) that the very country that makes mountains out of molehills when men do something…thinks NOTHING of women “making fun” of murdering men.
Whodathunk?
Solanas (like Squeaky Fromme) not only wrote about harming men, she actually DID! Yet the Sassy Swedish Sistas think themselves cute and cutting-edge (like Warhol?) by celebrating Valerie’s insanity.
Okay. Fine. Let’s follow their lead. Let’s put on plays (in a humorous, artistic, truth-seeking, open-minded, diverse way, of course) about men who rape, mutilate, and murder women. It’d be such great fun.
Plus I’m sure those Swedish meatheads, er, meatballs won’t mind. In fact, I bet they’d sell a ton of tickets for us.
No, wait, I’ve got a better one:
http://www.celebrateboston.com/crime/swedish-nanny-murder.htm
We can sing about Swedish au pairs sometimes feeling “down in the dump-sters.” And how they can be clubbed after leavingclubs. How their “better halves” sometimes provide provender for hungry Hannibal Lecters. How human beings can end up with side-dishes of Boston baked beans.
And so on. I’m sure the Swedettes will cheer our show. You know, ars gratia artis and all that jazz.
“Is the quote at the top from “Cathy” Young?”
I think it’s from Katherine Young, co-author with Paul Nathanson of a series of books on misandry including “Spreading Misandry.”
Thanks for the catch on Kafka. Katherine Young is the co-author of Legalizing Misandry, among other books int he series with Paul Nathanson. That one was correct.
And Paul – Paul (waving my hand in the air whispering “Pick me, pick *me*!”) – “phenomena” is the plural, “phenomenon” the singular. Might as well clean that one up before some feminist uses the “He made a grammatical/spelling error, therefore his argument holds nothing” decoy.
I saw them do it to JtO after his excellent, feather-ruffling “Shame on all of you” post at the Huffington Post. A *post* yet, not even a header article.
Oh, my, god-
“One of the byotches who cried raped on Wikileaks’ Assange was the Swede, Anna Ardin. While at Uppsala University she was (as one wag put it) “some sort of equality watchdog.” This Ministress-of-Poonani, this enforcer of feminist PC, actually penilized (!) some hapless male student for looking down to write notes while she lectured. She said he’d committed the patriarchal sin of NOT bestowing on her his “male-gaze.””
That is all I needed to hear.
“Okay. Fine. Let’s follow their lead. Let’s put on plays (in a humorous, artistic, truth-seeking, open-minded, diverse way, of course) about men who rape, mutilate, and murder women. It’d be such great fun.
Plus I’m sure those Swedish meatheads, er, meatballs won’t mind. In fact, I bet they’d sell a ton of tickets for us.”
This is exactly what needs to happen, explicitly as a parody of femaleist filth.
Person 1: “Hey man, did you hear about those girls who got their vaginas mutilated? I think it’s because they wanted divorces.”
Person 2: “HAHAAHAHAAHAAHAH (jovially slaps Person 1 on back), that is fucking HILARIOUS, my friend ! Wow, where did you read about that, I have to go paste it to my fb as one of the most fabulous things I’ve heard !!”
You can’t run from yourselves, scum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk
Shouldn’t be too hard to make:-A bit of shooting,-a little jumping around like morons,-a little licking, while looking like psycho’s, and a ‘Do Your Part’-text in the end. All presented by the SCUW and put in right under the original on Youtube.
-Let the bitchin’ and whinin’ commence…
They had to remove avfm link?
That should get a lot more google searches from the curious.
I have nothing more to say about this sick twisted feminazi pig or any of her gestapo follower’s.
I wonder if Segeberg would be keen to be involved in a performance in celebration of “Islamic Hate Day,” an attack on Islamic practises in Swedish culture? Of course she would not be advocating the hatred of Islamic people, just the Islamic norm.
In fact, I dare her!
Exactly. And they never will. And you and I know why. Because say what you want about muslim men, but they are not empty nutsacks, and they will fight back and won’t be intimidated by state, police, military, or anything else. Feminists only attack sitting ducks that won’t do anything back, from the safe position of being shielded with an army of manginas and white knights.
And then they….do I even have to say it?
Loved your article, Mr. Elam! Anyone who doesn’t understand what you or this movement is about should read this one.
This swedish article is wrong on so many different levels, that I don’t even know where to start, and that is without even using the google-translation. The research done before this was written, could have been done better by a 10 year old mentally retarded, locked up in a card board box with a handful of crayons.
But lets start in the shallow end: Apparently this sites name is ‘A Voice of Men’ and is one of two sites owned by Mr. Elam, with ‘the Spearhead’ being the other.-See?!-That’s the general level in this excuse for a serious article.-The general impression makes one think of the story about the 100 monkeys with typewriters, making a Shakespeare play.
What we are discussing here on this site is not the bigotry and hatred bestowed upon the male gender through the last 50 years, but wether or not we should physically harm the feminists that we hate or not. And this hate, by the way, is not at all directed against the feminists, but all women, according to one of the players in the piece. (-Hear that, Izzey, Typhonblue, and all of you other galz attending this site??-We now hate you! -Yeah, right!)
She justifyes this reasoning with the fact, that no man involved in the play has received any threats, but if she would be kind enough to give us some names, I’m pretty sure that would change rapidly. Besides that,-basic victim playing for beginners. She herself is claimed to have been threaten on her life, which is quickly de-bunked in the comment section, and the claim is actually based on a rethoric reversal of the Scum Manifeso delivered in mail form by an anonymous individual. Gender not specified.
The writer also makes a note of Register-her.com and seems to have problems with the entry of FR-accusers being listed as criminals, to which I can only reply: Yes, what the hell else?!!-Perjury is a fucking crime,and women are being let off the hook time and time again!
Then she continues with a lot of blah-blah-blah about Pelle Billing, which in light of all the other false information given so far, falls flat on it’s face. A lot of effort is futhermore put in to trying to link some of the people from the MRM together to give an impression to the reader, that the great and allmighty Patriarchy is out to get them all. -And no, we won’t see a more radicalized version of Pelle Billing, Mr.Elam, because he’ll be imprisoned before he puts pen to paper, if he should decide to go that way. Let’s stay in the real world on this.
I got through this without puking,-more or less, but couldn’t help thinking that if the capital letters SCUM had been written as it is meant to be understood JUST ONCE, this whole article would have stood out even more clearly as the hypocritical, victimplaying drivel that it is:-the Society for Cutting Up Men! -How fucking more clear can it get??!!
Sorry about the language, but there’s a very good reason for me not buying papers or watching TV anymore. This is the kind of crap presented in each and every media in Scandinavia, every single fucking day, all year long.
Nice article, Mr.Elam.-And sorry again..
“not buying papers or watching TV anymore.”
Welcome to the fold.
Thanks Paul , operating on full recharge! Another well deserving registrant, eloquently exposed. AVFM is becoming more visible by the day and I hope more traffic as a result. Every red pill convert adds to the numbers that will soon achieve critical mass and start the chain reaction that can begin to move the inertia of overwhelming male apathy…
It may already be starting. The following article appeared in The New Zealand Herald today:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10767957
Normally this paper collaborates with the feminist line, but today is the first time I have ever seen it implicate women as offenders in DV, and publish stats to back up the fact that they are at least as violent as men. The public figure quoted actually goes as far as saying that he won’t be supporting the White Ribbon campaign until DV is seen as a violence issue, not a gender one.
Most of the comments support his view.
Thanks for that link Mongo. This is important news for NZ men. Bob McCoskrie, national director of Family First NZ, is frequently quoted by our mainstream media and is often sought for televised interviews on social policy. I’m sure he pees standing up.
Thanks for this mongo, now over the AU white ribbon facebook page to alert them to the NZ awakening! Some men are starting to “get it”
All I can say is…
What the hell happened to the Vikings?
Most of them sailed across the sea to live in the larger countries to the west. Only the slaves remained.
The Immigrant Song, Led Zeppelin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzleCckNfAE
Ahhhhhhhh!
Thank you.
-Actually it is one of my favourite tunes from Zeppelin.
Me too!
Me three, but you know my favorite is “When the Levee Breaks.”
“Me three, but you know my favorite is “When the Levee Breaks.”
Click. I finally realize why you play that on your radio show.
I may not be quick, but I usually get there.
LZ are the gods of rock & roll, and John Bonham died for our sins.
I’m sure there are plenty still over there…
They just need waking from the mead celebrations and polish up that battle axe (no pun intended) to ready themselves for the battle cry of Odin.
Oh, there’s LOTS of them still around.
They’ve just formed small bands of brothers and are ghosting, while waiting…
Good news Kimski…good news my friend!
With any luck they’re all boozing and wenching at a private club called “Valhalla” or, as it’s known to it’s members, “Odin’s Joint”.
With any luck eh…although I’m convinced there’s still some that just need prodding to wake them from their slumber.
Don’t forget to post the latest bigot to your blogs, like on facebook, twitter, etc.
http://badgersbastion.blogspot.com/2011/11/face-of-male-hatred-josefin-von-zeipel.html
Good result from Eigil Söderin , I’ll be doing a blog entry about her making false accusations of thought crimes against women tomorrow.
It’s remarkable how thematically similar are that video by the SCUM and Nazi anti-Jewish videos.
To control the populace the State must create an enemy, it doesn’t matter who. In this case they hit on a jackpot, by making men the enemy to the populace, the very victims of the State propaganda will help enforce the lie.
I cannot prove this, but I believe very strongly that if we dug deep enough we would find that feminism is a creation of totalitarian elements of our “upper” society, who intentionally enabled and nurtured this disease precisely to establish a form of social control.
I know exactly how that sounds, and if I’m wrong, so be it. But someone has to say it.
I’m currently working on an article that documents the institutionalized and governmental misandry in Sweden which will be ready by next week. If you thought the other articles about laws in the US were shocking, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Two words: Fucking disturbing
Can’t wait!!
If they weren’t a little afraid, they wouldn’t even bother making up the lies they do. This is probably the first time any of the Swedish princesses have ever been called on their appalling behavior, and they don’t like it – one can easily see what a novelty it is for them by the clumsy, ham-fisted way they respond. They’ve never had to defend their thinking before.
They’re like naughty little children whose parents are too meek to discipline them, and they have gone through life saying and doing whatever they like. They have pushed boundaries so routinely that they now think it is they who have the sole right to define them. And like unruly, spoilt brats, they fear the negative judgment of others above all, because it is the one thing they know they are weakest against. They have no experience of it.
Welcome to reality princesses. The rest of us do have boundaries, and you are so far beyond them we cannot even see a human. As painful as all this may seem, in the end you’ll be better people for it, and you’ll be glad of our ire – all bad kids eventually thank those who turn them into functional adults.
“Josefin von Zeipel Segerberg”
Top two entries on the google search is AVFM. LOL
It’s no wonder the #1 problem in Sweden is alcohol abuse. And they say it’s the dreary long winters!
What’s compelling about this little trans-cuntinental dust up gents is that Sweden is the MODEL for what feminists in the US/Canada/UK/OZ would ideally like to see implemented. Sweden/Norway/Denmark is what feminists here dream about achieving.
What I mean to say is the highly tuned sensitivity to ALL things female vis a vis male in nature. We’re still resisting it here, while the men of scandinavia have simply given up.
It’s the result of Euro-Socialism. Women as the identifiable underclass and men as the colluding, entitled bourgeoisie oppressing them…with the government’s complete agreement and support that this is correct.
Do you know about the “Presidents Council on Women and Girls”? Have you seen the plethora of female specific health care coverage in ObamaCare? Remember the “Dear Collegue” letter? Etc., and so on.
That is exactly how the slow creep of feminist governance begins. This was how it began in Sweden 25 years ago. They plod along hoping no one will notice, (and most people don’t, or those that do are shamed, censored and ridiculed into submission).
Spot on Keyster. The femaleists salivate at the prospect of fully devolving the rest of the West to the Swedish man-hell. Resist. Resist. Insurrect.
That should read, ‘the rest of the *world*’.
Do I know? Have I seen? Yes sir, and it burns my ass like a three foot high flame.
“Sweden/Norway/Denmark is what feminists here dream about achieving.”
Yep
“It’s the result of Euro-Socialism. ”
Nope.
On nearly all those country league tables – health, longevity, quality of life, etc – you always find the Scandinavian countries near or at the top. They are the rich societies of the world. More so than the USA.
The richer the society, the more you are insulated from reality. The world-wide, all-societies bias towards the welfare of women, necessary for bringing up the next generation in normal circumstances, is not limited by economic reality. With the results we see.
“On nearly all those country league tables – health, longevity, quality of life, etc – you always find the Scandinavian countries near or at the top.”
Agreed… except maybe this bit —> “quality of life.”
Quality of life for sure… but for who exactly ?
For the wimminz of course. Is there anybody else?
If you think government enforced equality of income, housing, healthcare, gender roles, employment, life-style choice, etc. makes for a “richer” society, all the power to you and your select group supporting said equality, (assuming of course you’re not a member of the white male privileged class).
In other words government enforced gender equality and euro-socialism (Marxism’s gentler, cooler cousin), are not mutually exclusive; maybe in your mind they can be, but practically speaking they’re not and never have been.
I’m not saying that enforced equality leads to economic success. I’m saying that economic success leads to enforced equality.
Whatever else you think about the Scandinavian societies, surely you must admit to them being very successful economically. They must have *something* going for them.
True. But Sweden is a small and relatively homogenous country with little need or compunction for a military presence in the world. It’s rather quaint and managable, the population of New Jersey (9 million) in a land mass the size of California.
For them socialism works.
For the United States it would be disastrous. We’re too diverse and unwieldy, and the rest of the world (socialist nations) depends on our military strength and technology to save the day when bad things happen.
I wonder what would happen if the USA ceased all international aid and military presence around the world. Completely abandoned the industrial military complex (save for protecting our own borders only) and instead used that money to offer government healthcare services and inner city job training and free day care for working moms.
Do you think China and/or Russia might notice? Do you think there’d be others out causing trouble and strife, such as N Korea, Iran or even Venezuela? Cause if you’re totally cool with living in the great expanding China Sea, I’m totally cool with spending money on Americans in America rather than some foreign arm pit not worth a damn.
Sweden will have to defend herself.
When someone uses the word “Radical” to describe a group or person, it’s usually just as a means to demonize by association rather than make an actual argument about a position.
It translates to: “outside of my desired vision of political reality.”, but it presumes the speaker is correct on all fundamentals —- so it becomes a label to rationalize and evade.
As for “extreme”, that too is an evasion. It confesses and unwillingness to examine the issues clearly. This word is motivated by the listener’s fear that he is wrong. If you are certain in your beliefs, there is no reason to substitute smears for arguments. Therefore a desire to dismiss what could harm the desired vision of reality (for self and others) becomes immediate. And of course, “extreme” simply translates into: “consistent. — which is bad because integrity is not a virtue in modern relativistic culture.
Absolutely, Rad. I have never given credence to vague media descriptors like ‘radical’ or ‘extreme’. They are meaningless outside the agenda of the user. The beauty is that when something truly is evil, such as the bigotry that is femaleism, the accurate and truthful descriptor inherently expresses the evil contained therein. Femaleism is chauvinism, is bigotry, on its face, by definition.
There seems to be a bad link on register-her.com for Josefin von Zeipel Segerberg.
Its the second link just above her photo.
http://www.register-her.com/index.php?title=Josefin_Von_Zeipel_Segerberg_–_Bigot
There’s also a typo in the 3rd paragraph, last sentence; “She puts forward the thesis that men are biologically inferior to men” … should read “….. inferior to women”.
I guess she couldn’t be related to …
Eric Von Zipper?
Remember that character from all those 1960 “Beach” Movies (i.e. with Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello)?
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0027865/
I rather liked this particular exchange.
From Beach Party (1963)
Eric Von Zipper: Look, nobody tells Eric Von Zipper nothin’!
J.D.: That’s right, nobody tells Eric Von Zipper nothin’!
Prof. Robert O. Sutwell: Who are you?
J.D.: J.D.
Eric Von Zipper: That’s short for “Juvenile Delinquent.”
OMG, man, that has been going through my head all day. So has Arnold Ziffle. Embarrassing, but true.
It works now Thanks!
What I believe we are seeing here is fear. Not the usual fear we are use to ( ie. the “big bad scary” man is always the criminal ) It is there as well.
This is a different type of fear, it is fear that a discriminated against and demonized group of individuals are waking up.
That is what I see happening
My response,
Here have 50 cents on me now go and call somebody who cares Swedish feminazis. I for one don’t care. I don’t care because you made your bed now lie in it. It was your own actions that made you a possible target for a re-action. So stop crying about it and ” Woman up ”
You sat their and protested and screamed and lied to get your delusional view on how the world should be into your government and its ministries. You could have stopped at equality but no you got greedy and wanted it all. I say you can have it all. All the hatred you put out you can have it all back. All the lies you spread you can have them all back as well. All the exaggerated and inflated statistics, you can have them back too. All handed back to you on a silver platter of truth.
One other thing you can also have is my empathy for what you are currently suffering. My empathy for you fits easily on the pointy end of a pin.
I am still trying to wrap my head around the ” hetero hatred day ”
My head screams WTF in 10 foot tall neon letters.
I would like to thank A Voice For Men for writing about the horrible situation in Sweden. I guess you all heard about The involvment in the Assange case? Well here is another strange case revealing a justice system and female prosecutors practising misandry and feminist hate ideology in the court room. Please put this through Google translate and read…
http://samtycke.nu/2011/11/12/bdsm-malet-jakt-pa-kidnappare-och-valdtaktsman/
Swedish men have no legal certainty whatsoever. Not long ago a Swedish man was also convicted for bying sex because he had sex with a woman with foreign accent and sexy clothes. The politically appointed court said he should have known she was a wh*re…
Also there is no bail system in Sweden. If a man is accused by a woman he may spend weeks or months in custody. Some eomen use this to win custody battles, and they often do. Women are almost never convicted for false accusations.
Politica, media, universities, the police, the justice system are all infested by radical feminism. An Orwellian nightmare come true…
Welcome, sir and please don’t worry about the spelling. I screw up spelling all the time and English is my first and only language.
I hope to see more men from Sweden visit here and bring us news of what is happening in your country. Our best analytical writer is working on a piece about Swedish law now, and I can assure you there will be many more from other writers here, too.
If the MRM wants to understand feminism’s end game, all we have to do is use the Swedish model.
My brother who got married a few days ago and who lives there could be a reporter. Well he could in theory but his lids are shut.
I want him home safe. If he does wake up from this nightmare he’ll still find himself buried asleep inside another one.
I think Sweden is only the beginning of the end game, the end of the end game is a lot worse.
Scandinavian women are lowlifes, and really always have been. The Issue is all they really have going for them is blond hair and blue eyes that men see as attractive. They are complete shells of human beings, without much substance.
When you use these types of forums as a vehicle for personal issues with women, you make the activists jobs more difficult.
Eoghan in reply to American
“When you use these types of forums as a vehicle for personal issues with women, you make the activists jobs more difficult.”
Sorry man I did not mean to offend.
But my view on the Activist Issue is that beyond building a Brotherhood, what we say will always be skewed.
So building critical mass among men is what is important here, not really what people think. Once men have critical mass then the perceptions will change no matter what women or governments want.
At that point we will own the battle field, and that is what we should be working toward. We are a long way from there.
You are free to speak your mind here, but I agree with Eoghan on this one. Even as you are correct that what is happening is much larger than this singular issue, the thing here is that we attempt to walk the fine line between being focused on activism while also providing a forum for men to let off some steam when necessary.
Like I said, what you have to say won’t be infringed upon, but we do ask you to consider that blanket statements about women such as you made can be found in a hundred forums across the web. We hope to maintain a much different focus here than that. Thanks for listening.
“But my view on the Activist Issue is that beyond building a Brotherhood, what we say will always be skewed.”
I’m a believer in the nihilistic doctrine that exists in the men’s movement, it’s illogical and often used as a justification for people to air personal issues with women.
“They are going to tell lies about us anyway so lets talk about their lies and use them again them” is effective, “they are going to tell lies about us anyway so we might as will give their lies credibility” is self defeating.
“So building critical mass among men is what is important here, not really what people think. Once men have critical mass then the perceptions will change no matter what women or governments want.”
See my first answer. I don’;t think that critical mass or brotherhood among men can be gained with unsupportable blanket statements and willfully arming our detractors with material to use against us, on the faulty premise that “what we say will always be skewed” (so I can say what I like and to hell with the effectiveness). I for example, see that thinking as a divisive, self defeating and a threat to the success of the men’s movement.
EDIT
“I’m NOT a believer in the nihilistic doctrine that exists in the men’s movement”
OK well maybe my deceleration that Scandinavian women are lowlifes was a bit of over the top on my part.
I have no problem with MRA, attempting to take the high road in these sorts of conflicts.
What I do take exception to is MRA, expecting our enemies the feminist and the Mangana governments and media to automatically conform to any sort of “Morality” or “Fair Play”.
Because this is NOT going to happen. We as MRA need to understand we are fighting a rapidly conforming enemy that will on their part use any weapon at their disposal. Including Lies.
@American, you kinda make it bad on your countrymen using that screen name and then calling Scandanavian women lowlifes. My Grandmother was Scandanavian (Norwegian) and you’ve just called her a lowlife, so I’m not really feelin’ it for you right now.
As for calling an entire race, gender or nationality/area anything personal, that’s not cool either.
You can only ever account for people you’ve met and even then don’t extrapolate that to three or four countries of folk.
Good day to you Ma’am or Sir
“You can only ever account for people you’ve met…”
… or read, or viewed on a video.
I’ve seen a number of articles from Sweden now, courtesy of Google Translate. I’ve not seen any where Swedish women talk against misandry, though. You can only go on the evidence.
If you know of any article where a Swedish woman objects to the pervasive denigration of men that appears to be the Scandinavian norm, please point it out.
This is going to probably piss off all the MRA’s but I no longer believe it’s the job of women to stand up to anything. Women are by nature selfish and frightened, and that’s how it should be because it’s their job to nuture and grow a family, they can’t do that if they buy into grrrl power or act like altruists.
Standing up to injustice, making decisions and laying down the law is our job.
I was the nurture in my family. Some people have that quality and some people do not. It is not gender specific.
Thank you sooo much. Now I have that damn song “Laying Down the Law” stuck in my head. And right after I was thinking about Zeppelin, you bastard!
“I no longer believe it’s the job of women to stand up to anything. ”
Maybe not. But they should support their man who *is* standing up for something.
I don’t think that the patriarchal subsection of the men’s movement has much of a future in the men’s movement, all they seem to do is generate drag for the activists.
Out of curiosity I checked wikipedia for misandry. There is a Swedish entry. It’s short, but I’ve noticed most Swedish wiki entries are not as extensive as English entries. (Most Swedes under 40 do well (to super well) with English, and English is an academic language in Sweden, so perhaps many Swedes just read wiki in English.) But fyi, I did notice that on wiki that the entry misogyny is offered in quite a few more languages than misandry. Both terms reference the other, but I wonder if advocacy could be spread through expanding the wiki languages describing the term. I would also suggest that someone who enjoys such tasks address the urbandictionary.com entries.
“As for calling an entire race, gender or nationality/area anything personal, that’s not cool either.”
Moreover, it is false. It’s a dead end street
“…all they really have going for them is blond hair and blue eyes that men see as attractive”
That was my mental image. But lately I’ve watched a number of Swedish videos and I see that the reality is a bit different.
Sorry for the bad spelling. My iPad keyboard is hard to write on…
@American
Scandinavian women are generally spoiled like brats and lack critical thinking. This means they are quite easy to indoctrinate.
Don’t listen to him man, American women are far far far far far far worse.
At least your women make it their business to look good and have something resembling an education.
This is by far the most Europeans I have seen on the visitor Globe! Cool.
For those that have not heard it, this Swedish man put his struggle with the family court into a very hard hitting song. I have heard this a hundred times and never get tired of it.
Check this song out Paul. It’s performed by Muse. Although it’s written to oppose a totalitarian one World government I’ve found the lyrics, and especially the chorus, applicable to challenging the feminist hate movement. It’s best played very loud
I have head this one several times before. I will be playing it on the radio show when we come back. Great song.
That was amazing!
And as long as we’re playing the hit parade – sing it, Max!
Holy shit! I don’t think I have head that since it came out. 43 years ago. Damn good song then. Damn good song now.
Great tune!
Please allow me to join in with this:
Children are an extension of self, they are inalienable. The state is absolutely treasonous every time it violently steals children from their fathers. This is a sickness without parallel in the natural world. Lesser animals would not tolerate it, but fight in wild rage in the face of it. It is a fucking incomprehensible aberration that it even occurs among humans, and that society is not yet burnt to the ground in defiance. Steal a man’s children? Talk about man on fire. Good lord, technology has not civilized the heathens one bit. They attempt to justify the ludicrous ‘in the best interest of the children’. But in reality, in the face of child theft, anything is, indeed, justified.
Have watched this one many times, still brings a tear to my eye and an ache to my heart.
O/T with apologies:
A warning to all manginas. If you live by the vagina you’ll die by the vagina (or something like that)
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/11959813/texas-judge-suspended-for-beating-daughter/
Just found there Face Book Page Guys.
https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137465326302733
For those of you that want to post on this scums site and not use your real Email Address, you can use http://www.mailinator.com/
Just make sure you keep your record the email location before you navigate away from the page, or else you will not be able to return.
It’s a common trait among feminists and lesbians to complain about the “heterosexual norm”. Do idiots like Segerberg not realise that heterosexuality is the mechanism by which this species evolves? It’s the norm because that’s what nature/evolution has intended. Feminist lunatics like Segerberg try and advocate that the heterosexual norm is a conspiracy that men have forced onto society to oppress women. Segerberg and her lesbian feminist cohorts hate heterosexuality because it shows them up as being the defective, evolutionary deadends that they are.
They fail to accept that heterosexuality is normal. They seem to feel that if their lifestyle is deemed abnormal that targets them in some way.
Nevermind that attacking the majority is a foolish move when the goal should be to accept everyone for who they are up to the limits of societies limit of acceptance. i.e. murder is not socially acceptable therefore murderers are exempt from protection. Counselling to commit murder is also a crime in many jurisdictions because, it is socially unacceptable to do so. We need just a few courts to take hatefully people like these to task and that will be a blow they won’t soon recover from.
It’s not feminists who they dislike, but women. They are quite clearly because they only threatened the women in the set and not the male director. Men who hate women are hard to talk to, says Andrea Edwards.
The author is right, we should be going after the director as well. Fair is fair.
The author is wrong, dishonest and unobservant. We stated from the beginning that we wanted information on everyone involved in the production.
I apologize.
Or more explicitly, the author is a lying POS.
I read the google translation and it said something along the lines of “unlimited resources”.
How are you enjoying those unlimited resources Paul?
Would you quit fucking bothering me?! My personal chef and masseuse say they can’t work with all these interruptions! Sheesh!
LOL
Something I noticed after taking a second look at the scum video.
Right around the 52 second mark we hear the sirens of what I believe are police cars responding. The shooter in the video then turns and fires her gun.
So can we understand this as a statement that she not only encourages women to kill men but to also use guns against police?
Again this takes place around the 52 second mark of the video, I wonder why the police haven’t arrested her for advocating police homicide? oh yeah forgot they are disposable as well.
Enjoy the idea that Swedish police are being portrayed as acceptable losses when the feminazis ” do their part “
Thank you for helping out!
MRA’s have a hard time in Sweden. It being a very small and completely feministic society. Pelles comment should be regarded in a context of severe view oppression. All political parties, all media, all court system is as feministic as it is publicly funded. Pelle is trying to explore the possibilities of having a dialogue with the more moderate feminists. And that is, I believe, the first ever opposition that the Swedish feminists have had to face. And so they have at him (and Pär Ström) for even raising mens questions, but they never respond with arguments, only scorn.
So, what we would need is acually a more radical wing of the MRA. However, because the legal system and the authoreties are completely corrupted by feminism, as I have no doubt you have seen in the smear campaign against Assange, people are being silenced.
So, it is a good thing that you out there people because it would probably be considered as a “death threats” if we did it.
It would seem to me the best option for Swedish men would be to ether form groups to get men out of Sweden or to find common ground with Muslim men, then use the force of populism to enforce a real democracy as opposed to the oligarchy.
What about the pirate party? They’ve been causing a real disturbance with their gender policies in Germany, at least.
You have to stand up to these people because unfortunately, there simply isn’t anywhere else left to run.
But if I’m right, and feminism is a tool of the State as opposed to the reverse, then it means you are going to have a very hard and dangerous fight.
On the other hand, you are also right, and people do recognize the truth.
These tyrants seek the subjugation of men in the service of women and they have been incredibly successful in wealthy western countries, particularly in your neck of the wood. They have no shame in exploiting the real difficulties of others elsewhere in the world to advance their already dominant position. They have no arguments, never did have. They were smart. They found their Kryptonite and set about attacking supermen. And there is an awaking in men as to what is actually going on, and we aren’t going to allow it to continue. We will hold these tyrants to account for their vile hate driven female supremacist programme. We can redress the balance. This will take courage. Dealing with tyrants is very risky, as they invariably control all the levers of power. Therefore, we do the best we can. swca, you may not realise it, but your comments here are inspiring many people in the fight – I’m one of them, thank you.
It is better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand days as a lamb. – Roman proverb. Sir, you are a lion.
“Pelle is trying to explore the possibilities of having a dialogue with the more moderate feminists.”
No chance, in my opinion anyway.
” And that is, I believe, the first ever opposition that the Swedish feminists have had to face.”
That’s the way forward!
Search for “Josefin von Zeipel Segerberg” in search engines in first page.
Google:
avoiceformen.com
avoiceformen.com
whatmenthinkofwomen (related to AVFM)
badgersbastion.blogspot.com (related to AVFM)
manwomanmyth.com (in recent entry to Register-her section)
Bing:
whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com (related to AVFM)
avoiceformen.com
Facebook (SCUM play official page) http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137465326302733
daddys-sverige.com critics the “humor” they portray in the video
Yahoo:
whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com (related to AVFM)
avoiceformen.com
Facebook (SCUM play official page) http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137465326302733
daddys-sverige.com critics the “humor” they portray in the video
She has a serious “engines problems”, the amount MRM in front page for her name and high ranked for every MRM site is a epic win for every MRA and epic fail for
fe-Sweden.
Next please….>
I notice one common thread among our enemies.
Hatred. They are full of it and, not shy about saying so.
Depending on which feminist group it seems they hate white people, black people, straight people, male people, and on and on.
They don’t even have a clue about just how revolting they are in their rabid hatred of all things that don’t agree with them or are different from them in small ways.
I’m new to this blog and found my way here through media related to SCUM. I grew up in a society where women have not had the same opportunities as men and are not respected as authority figures, etc. For such reasons, I consider myself a feminist, meaning that I believe women are equally human and deserving of the same respect and opportunities, etc. which men are given by society. I believe that all humans should have opportunities and earn respect through their actions. As a woman, I do not hold myself below men, nor above men. I find it repulsive that individuals who advocate SCUM in anyway consider themselves feminists. I am both disgusted and saddened by the hate advocated by this group, and I am angered that they are being supported and promoted by the state.
I came across one comment on a Swedish site that said SCUM is performing in the school system for children, and at such performances, “The girls and guys are segregated. While the girls sit on satin cushions with gold tassels and are given a constant serving of sweets and fruit, the boys are seated in the worst area and forced to sit on hard wooden chairs. This is because they are to feel guilty and even in prison for man’s crimes against humanity in the form of wars, violence, torture, money system, imagination, and biological inferiority.”
So this is part of the Swedish school system?! Now, please also understand that Sweden just recently outlawed home schooling. To my understanding, the only other Western nation to have done this was Nazi Germany! Please also note that the Swedish state can remove children from their home at any whim – no proof of abuse needed! The Swedish state knows no bounds and children are taken from their parents without evidence of abuse and held in state custody for months and years. This law is abused, and there are horror stories. Anyone who goes against the state risks having their children stolen from them.
Please also note that SCUM is being funded by Swedish tax payers. Tax payers may not like it, but the state could care less what the average Sven thinks. Big “Sister” knows best! If you would like to write to some of the monster politicians who are using tax payer funds to promote abuse, violence, murder, etc., please write to the Swedish Art Council and the County of Stockholm, whose representatives have approved funding for this hate speech:
http://www.kulturradet.se/sv/Om-kulturradet/Organisation/Styrelse/ and http://www.sll.se/SLL/Templates/Board.aspx?id=828
There are also laws in Sweden to protect “folk groups” from hate. If women are a protected folk group, then men should be as well. For this, please write to the Discrimination Ombudsman (DO, http://www.do.se, English option available) at do@do.se.
You might also consider writing to the Swedish Ombudsmen for Justice (JO). Anyone from anywhere in the world can write to this official. The complaint will be recorded and be accessible to view by the public. The JO is required to consider and respond to each complaint and state what type of action is needed, if action is deemed necessary.
Please use your voices if you are serious about this issue! Contact information and further English info availabe here: justitieombudsmannen@jo.se and
http://www.jo.se/Page.aspx?Language=en
Thank you “a voice for men” for bringing attention to this issue! Those of us in Sweden, especially welcome your help!
Welcome, and thank you for this comment. I will be following up with your suggestions for contact with the agencies you listed.
Holy Sheol and any other afterlife! I just read this. You said you found mention of this segregation during the play somewhere. Is there any way to actually confirm it? That is some serious social manipulation and indoctrination if true. These wymmynz have been taking lessons from cult leaders and applying the lessons to a malleable crowd at taxpayer expense and with state endorsement.
I may have more questions than answers, as I’ve found different info at different sites. Here’s a Swedish blog with some info: http://www.pellebilling.se/2011/11/skolbarn-ska-titta-pa-valdsamt-angrepp-mot-manligheten/.
I understand that there is at least one theatrical production. To my understanding, the audience is segregated according to gender. In one comment field someone said they had contected whomever affiliated with the production, and this person said the production was not meant for children.
From the Billing blog above, there is this link http://www.tidningenkulturen.se/artiklar/scenkonst/scenkonst-kritik/10597-teater-scummanifestet-regi-erik-holmstroem which describes the production.
From the Billing blog, there is this link http://turteatern.se/scum-manifestet-skolforestallning/ which I believe is from the SCUM theater people and invites teachers, if they feel it is appropriate, to bring high school students to a production. The SCUM document suggests discussion topics after the performance.
Perhaps I earlier misunderstood the ages of the minors to be young children instead of teens. Or it could be that bloggers and posters had misunderstood this, and I got this impression from them. To my understanding, the production does not involve young children.
I don’t know if the high school students are divided according to gender. I don’t know if they watch the full adult production or if they watch a watered-down version.
I suppose the only way to know is to contact the theater company and specifically ask them.
I thought the production took place in Stockholm. Do students travel to Stockholm, or does the troup come to various schools? The video we’ve seen was done by students in Gothenburg, right? I don’t know how these different groups work together…
Thank you, Jane. I would want more substantiation of the claims, including that in the commentary of Billing’s blog about the money that government agencies have dumped into the production. I still feel as though there is enough damning evidence for me to refuse to buy another IKEA product, and to eliminate all Astra Zeneca pharmaceuticals from the clinic until such time as Sweden begins behaving in a more civilized manner.
They outlawed homeschooling? That is extremely dark and ominous. Unequivocally state seizure of the youth, horribly totalitarian. An act of Femaleists strategically routing any possibility for parents to raise their children without indoctrination into the Femaleist ideology. Resist. Resist. Insurrect.
I don’t remember how I stumbled across this little piece of hell, but it truly haunts me, and I feel so sorry for this family. See http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.com/
“Swedish police snatched Domenic Johansson, son of Christer and Annie Johansson, in June 2009 from an airplane bound for India, Annie’s homeland. The main reason for the seizure was that Domenic was homeschooled.”
I’m not sure to what degree lawyer Ruby Harrold-Claesson (of the Nordic Committee for Human Rights) has been allowed to work with the Johansson family, but it’s my understanding that she has worked with and helped other families who have been abused by the state. There are so many heartbreaking stories, it’s good to know that there are Harrold-Clasessons out there fighting to help people… http://www.nkmr.org/english/index.htm
For Sydney readers the SCUM manifesto is available off the shelf at Jura Books in Petersham. If anybody visits please be gentle with the young lady who works there. She was very polite and helpful when I called.
No cutting up until *after* you’ve paid for the book.
The SCUM manifesto can be found online as a free download. Don’t give anyone any money for it.
One more thought – I did not like the comment advocating that Swedish men find common ground with the Muslim men to fight the threat of feminism! That’s beyond frightening! Please read of the abuses of Muslim women in Europe! Also, when you talk of men’s rights, please note that Muslim men in Sweden have been advocating that women have alone time at swimming pools. Muslim women are not to be without chaperones or be in zones not approved by chaperones. So Muslim men want men out of the pools in order to isolate women. Now in Sweden, several publically funded pools have times when men are not allowed to swim, complements of Muslim men seeking to imprison women.
The key with is to find balance and harmony within society. Just as I am revolted by the SCUM video which demonizes men, I am revolted by belief systems, including religion, which seek to oppress women! Please pick a side boys! Are we in this together as individuals seeking to be respected as individuals or are men going to pull the religion card to counter attack fascist women? I would like to believe that we can find some balanced sanity and respect in the middle of the two abusive poles.
You are right, if for no other reason than because you have to stand up for yourselves as yourselves.
Sweden can take in Muslims or anyone else if they wish, but when all is said and done, Sweden must be defended by the Swedish men. Otherwise, it is simply not a country or a people.
Something for your consideration, Jane. While I completely sympathize with your sentiments and do not agree at all with any alignment with Sharia Law or other Muslim codes, I understand those thoughts to be a product of frustration with the lack of attention to men’s issues, by feminists and everyone else.
Your presence here as an identified feminist who actually expresses some understanding of misandry, is a rare exception. We are completely accustomed to your fellow feminists pushing in any way possible to undermine the struggle for men’s rights, and to demonize us as I was just demonized in ETC after my interview there.
I know this may sound harsh, but I do advise you to consider that there is a very desperate need for more feminists to confront other feminists rather than challenging MRA’s to avoid extremes.
I will never support Sharia Law, but I consider it far less a threat to my world than feminist doctrine as it is most commonly practiced. And after all, religious doctrine is just as problematic and often more, for men, than it is for women.
This is a difficult crossroads for MRA’s and feminists; one that we have never successfully negotiated. But it may be possible some day if enough feminists take a vocal stand for true gender equality rather than just speaking to the interests of women.
Thank you for the welcome. As mentioned earlier, I landed here by accident. But already I’ve learned a new word, misandry. Honestly, a lot of the time, I don’t like men or women. My dog helps heal me when the world wounds me, and when I can, I try to help others. I live pretty simply. I look forward to exploring the site and seeing what this view of the world looks like. Cheers.
A long-time Feminist comes here who has not come across the word ‘misandry’ and who warns us all about Muslims and Sharia Law because of effects on women.
Why am I entirely unimpressed?
Perhaps I have grown a little intolerant, a tad unreasonable over time such that I am failing to see value in this Feminist. Or perhaps I can see things rather well and we seem too willing to engage with people talking a new talk, but walking the old walk.
Frankly, Jane, that is an absolute load of shit. If you wish to believe Muslim men oppress and abuse Muslim women, you’re free to believe that. But don’t go telling anyone to “read of the abuses of Muslim women in Europe”. I don’t need to read from propagandist media outlets who wish to demonize Muslims to shape my opinions on such matters.
I have some personal experience with Muslim culture and Muslim MEN are oppressed in my eyes. It’s only the continuous indoctrination of the past thirty years which makes the “Muslims abuse women” meme so ingrained in people’s minds.
I worked at King Fahd hospital in Saudi-Arabia back in the 80′es for a good year, approximately. I can tell you from what my experiences down there amounted to, that if you were to tell a Saudi woman that she is ‘oppressed’, you better be a real fast runner, because she is going to kick your ass for even suggesting such a thing.
There’s a very big difference between how things actually work out down there, and what female reporters presents in the media. On the other hand, I can easily see how that would come across as ‘oppression’ to a woman of the West, as they are pampered and protected and have everything served on a silver platter, from the moment they are born. But the general rule is still that if women have a hard time, you can’t even begin to compare it to the things the men suffers.
The muslim men have absolutely no saying on anything within the walls of their own home, and are considered little less than watchdogs for their women outside of it. The stoning and beating with sticks of men takes place on a much grander scale, than can be said about the women.
I actually had the misfortune of watching one of those stick-beatings, and we’re talking about a 2 meter long ironwood stick here, being swung by a huge, muscular guy. The victims crime was drinking alcohol on the way down in the plane, and what they did to him, would have made a midieval whipping seem like a walk in the park in comparison. It was pretty hard to even recoqnize him as a human being afterwards, and this was a recurring event on saturday mornings.
Probably no need to tell you guys which gender had the most fun watching this, right??
Go watch Monty Python’s stoning scene from ‘Life of Brian’ and you’ll get the funny version of the answer for that question. A hell of a lot funnier and a hell of a lot less bloody, and nothing has changed since then, in what Python were depicting.
Jane is right, you know. And you all know what that means. We have to kill her.
I will now wait patiently while ETC takes my admittedly tasteless yet wonderfully timed joke as an actual threat.
Brutal Antipathy: “We have to kill her…joke…”
Well, the joke’s on you, BA. I live in Sweden, and the health care system will finish me off long before you can get to me.
That’s black humor. SCUM is not black humor.
ROFLMAO!
“..and the health care system will finish me off long before you can get to me.”
More ROFL!
Man, that is priceless and true, so true..Actually it’s pretty amazing that some of richest countries in the world are so effective, when it comes to killing people they’re supposed to cure, because of waiting lists and extreme inefficiency. And whatever you do, don’t get diagnosed with prostate cancer. You might as well go jump off a cliff right away, because you’ll be a dead man walking.
Remember what I wrote earlier about things being so bad, that you can’t stop laughing?
-This is another excellent example.
Sounds like the health care here in Canada.
Finally got the song out of my head by listening to Big Log followed by some Iggy Pop, but now I can’t look at this articles title without thinking about a scene from Family Guy where Quagmire is using the alias Longrod von Hugendong. You people are a horrible influence on me, and when I am forced to see a shrink because of it I am sending you the bill.
I think Pelle’s reaction is a politically calculated move. He knows it won’t cause much backlash among men but it will maintain his access to the gender studies debates by appeasing the feminist majority. He is not really anti-feminist but rather more pro-male. His demeanor and tactics are similiar to Warren Farrell, but I don’t think Warren Farrell has ever marginalized MRAs as too radical.
Pelle forgot the number one rule of fight club.
Well said. Aye, but he’s entitled to a couple of mistakes.
You just broke rules 1 and 2!
I personally like Rule 7 “Fights go on as long as they have to”
The video has now been made “Private” on youtube.com and none of the links now work.
Heh. Too much for the Internet community… OK. I wonder if it’s still being pushed to Swedish schoolchildren?
Bingo !
Is it possible that we lot might have something to do with this ?
I mean is it just maaaybe possible eh ?
Goodness me I adore our movement.
Wow. That was quick. I subscribed to the channel last night and when I just tried to pull it up it said there weren’t any videos on the channel any longer, private or otherwise. I hope someone captured the video somewhere for future viewing.
Sunlight does tend to scatter the cockroaches.
I made sure to get a copy dl’ed from youtube.
If AVFM needs it I will send it.
Poor widdle hate spewing feministas I guess they couldn’t “woman up” or perhaps they are now realizing the error of their hate filled ways.
Perfect. Hope AVFM can find space for it here. It’s destined to become a classic.
Well done Dannyboy.
It’s my contention that this video IS the Red Pill, and I intend to hawk it on every messageboard I can, as mainstream as I can get, for many years to come.
Many of us have known about Valerie Solanas and her SCUM Manifesto for years. This book is one of the big foundations of feminism and the woman,s right’s.
Celebrated in work and deed.
I have confronted feminists about this before – one was even a male gender studies teacher. Feminists are either proud of this book or they feel it is childish for me to bring it up, they feel there no need to be questioned about it.
By the way the male studies teacher – I meet in a London men’s group, and I told him exactly what I thought of him, it scared him somewhat. He had never been spoken to as such before. I was the only lower working class man in the room without an expensive education or job.
I meet Tom Martin in the group and we have worked together and remained friends.
Tom was truly not liked in the group. Which consisted of how many ways a load of sad, lost men could avoid the elephant in the room. Unfortunately Tom didn’t meet this over dressed little prick. In the end the little fuckweasle raised his voice and said “I know what I am talking about! I teach this stuff!”
I left the mum’s army mens group not long after Tom.
Rod.
@Jane
Feminism is female supremisism……period. If you aren’t a female supremacist, then please stop calling yourself a feminist. I know what you’re thinking…..I’m not that kind of feminist. Feminism is not the girl down the road who calls herself a feminist….or whoever else you know……feminism is what the leaders, icons, heroes and shakers and movers of the movement say it is….and they are all female supremacists and man haters, extremists, idealogues, fanatics,
That fact is that women who stand up for the rights of men…..any rights….are rejected by the movement of feminism. You….are a traitor in their book.
I know what you might want feminism to be……but it’s not what you want it to be. What you do calling yourself a feminist is the same as a guy calling himself a nazi but saying that he doesn’t believe in what that wanker Hitler and his buddies believed…….or a Muslim claiming to believe in Islam…..but saying the Quran is full of shit and the Prophet is a wanker.
I read something recently with Ron Paul where whomever accused him of being racist. Paul responded that he wasn’t racist and then said something to the effect of that by being a libertarian, he could not, by default, be racist because race is a collectivst idea, and libertarians are concerned with rights of the individual. I feel like this can be applied to your point as well. So, perhaps you could say that to be an advocate for human rights is to, by default, be an advocate at times for the rights of individuals who happen to also be women. Individual first while gender, “race”, nationality, coke/pepsi preference, etc. are just incidentals. Does that fit more with the ideals of the forum, so to speak?
I read somewhere that the Scandinavian country’s such as Sweden are supposed to be considered the most ‘equal’ of all Modern societies, but this report ignored all the areas in which men where at a disadvantage.
A clear message is being sent here: the more “equal” a society is considered (by feminists definitions) then the more hate seems to be directed towards the men folk.
Sweden does have a generous maternity and paternity leave; though to my understanding, women often take more leave than men because women often earn less than men, and so couples with less income/savings choose to keep the man’s higher income. I can say that I have seen many more men out alone with their children. You see men out with the baby carriage, and you see men out at the grocery store with a young baby/child. My feel is that men and women should both have access to a balance of home and work time. Too much time in either place can drive anyone nuts.
Also regarding gender equality in Sweden, I feel like we need to ask how much affirmative action has enforced the numbers, and I don’t know this. But I can say that there has been resistance to this by both men and women. I think firefighters and police have recently been to court because women and minorities who were not qualified/experienced were hired over men who were qualified/experienced, and the men won a settlement at least. Likewise, veterinary medicine has been largely dominated by females in Sweden, and to my understanding is a very competitive field to enter. Along the affirmative action lines, less qualified men were accepted over women, just to get the male numbers up in this area. Female students were then taking this to court. I don’t know how that case turned out. So, these cases at least seem to indicate that there is at least some movement toward the recognition of individual merit.
And one final point, as I understand it, pay raises in Sweden are not given really on job performance but instead by just how long you sit at your given job. Also, jobs are very secure which may sound good, but it also means that a lot of inept people (male and female) never get fired. Does equality then mean that everyone is squashed into an equal rut? (Vonnegut’s Harrison Bergeron.) That’s not the type of equlity I want.
Never doubt yourself, Paul. History will remember that, in the darkest hour for men, boys, and fathers, very few had the courage or the compassion to act.
By the way, I am not AWOL. I am in the middle of an enormously time consuming project to expand the MRM into the virtual world. I have to report that the level of hostility that I have encountered far exceeds my worst fears. Angry messages arrive every few minutes. Two individuals went beyond this, and attempted to hack into my computer.
In a radically anti-male/anti-boy/anti-father world, the MRM is the only moderate voice to be heard.
Good to hear from you Antz.
BTW, whatever happened to Robert Full of Rage? I miss that guy’s comments. Sure hope he hasn’t lost the battle.
There are a few errors on the RH page. “men are biologically inferior to men,” in her belief.
Now the video is listed as private via YT. Did someone grab it? They are using the private setting to hide the hate. Tried using Google under its title, “SCUM having fun,” and came up with more than a few pro-genocide sites (i.e. lesbianmafia (calling it a hoot, BTW,) et al.–that is all I can call them for wanting to kill half the world’s population,) that have links to it, but the private setting hides it.
This not only needs to go viral to show the hate, but also taken apart as hatemongering that it is. Putting cards between key points would be the best option of modifying it.
Blow this hidden hate wide open.
Dannyboy got it saved.
I remember another poster saying they’d got it and made multiple copies too.
They’ve apparently changed their Youtube setting from “public” to “private.” I think you have to be a subscriber to their channel, or something like that, to see their privately listed videos.
Many hate organizations have historically become very secretive in their affairs to hide their vile prejudice, hate, and bigotry from the light of decent folks.
A misandric vigilante at work in the 1930s: “The Cross-Dressing Husband-Killing Syndicate Maven: Viktoria Rieger”
http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/09/cross-dressing-husband-killing.html
Misandry was not invented by Marxists; they merely codified and exploited the long-known pathology.
Here’s are a couple of controversial videos (according to feminists) from Super FRA “FaceUpToFred” of F4JLA and NCFMLA. The first one is a classic, IMO. The second one, some may say is hyperbole, but not really. It’s just more accurate than most of society’s sheep, and feminist stooges, care to admit, IMO. Even if some of what’s said is anecdotal, it’s certainly true from first hand experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydSP9zvG-BU
They’re baaaaack!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Xel_Ig2Ac
Run, cockroaches, run!
“Josefin von Zeipel Segerberg, who reportedly attends school at the University of Gothenberg, Gothenberg, Sweden.”
The name “von” is also frequently used in names of people from Holland, or Germany, and the “V” is most often capitalized. I was told that the word “Von” is an indicator of a higher status in society, or something like that. Is that lower case “v” a class consciousness thing, or a typo in the spelling? Does “SCUM theater in Sweden” have affiliates in other countries?
I’m part Dutch and from my understanding, a name with non-capitalized van der for example, means “from the town of”, in the old ways of speaking. I have this term in my last name and was told once, that it delineates an origin of nobility, though I can’t verify that.
Never mind the scum video is back have a look at this
“……Therefore, Anonymous has decided to destroy SCUM Sweden. We shall
proceed to dismantle every form of its organization from the
Internet. Nothing will stop us.
We will not hesitate to show your real identity.
We will show no mercy.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us. …..”
Now this is an interesting turn of events
Amazing that you should throw in this, Dannyboy. I’ve been following these guys for a while now, and they would be the perfect partners in the destruction of SCUM and radical feminism, where ever it shows it’s ugly face.-You know,-everywhere at the moment.
They appear to fighting oppression in any form, be it political or otherwise. They have no leaderships, no public face, or anything else that could identify them to the opposition.
If they’ve decided to take on SCUM on one frontline, maybe we should consider hitting them as hard as we can on another, and once and for all get rid of that damned hate-manifest, on a global scale. Mankind as a whole will be far better off without it.
Kimski,
I have followed Anonymous as well.
I should also say kudos to TheKarlslok @ youtube for re-upping the original video and to ProleScum for finding it. They both deserve a pat on the back and my “nevermind” opening statement wasn’t meant to belittle the find.
I was just absolutely gob-stopped to find this on a youtube search.
I am still just amazed.
Me too.
This is truly terrific! The fed’s consider this organisation dangerous enough to spend millions on trying to find out who they are. They will not succeed. Anonymous are anonymous, and are gathering a huge following day by day by ordinary people who have just had enough.
The times they are a-changing, and it’s about goddamn’ time if we’re supposed to go on calling ourselves an intelligent specie. If the malfunctions in the systems can’t be changed through peoples votes, in what is supposedly democracies, those systems must be destroyed from within by the people.
I would really like somebody to do a piece on Anonymous. I think we’re going to see a lot more from these guys in the future.
Is this for real?
If so the game has just been ratcheted up another notch.
Be afraid SCUM.
Oh, yeah, you better believe it, Scatmaster!
-If you haven’t heard or read about these guys, I strongly suggest you do a google-search and/or look for their vid’s on Youtube. These guys are global and the organisation is becoming HUGE and are growing by the hour!!
Looks like somebody learned an important lesson from watching ‘V for Vendetta’ and took it a lot more serious, than the people in charge would have liked.
-And if you don’t mind my saying so, the script in the movie and the world as presented by the media bears a striking resemblance.
Hi Kimski, I know a little about Anonymous my question was made in an incredulous tone. This rocks.
Okay.
That doesn’t surprise me, BTW.
And, yes, earthquake style.
Rock and Roll Kimski Rock and Roll
<:o)
Scatmaster,
From one Canuck to another I would take it as heart-attack serious.
These are the same people who caused visa and or mastercard a hell of a lot of trouble.
They also threw a monkey wrench into some baptist anti-gay ministry as well.
And yes I would say that this does in fact ratchet up the pressure on the “scum” followers and makers to run and hide or recant their hateful ways.
Yeah, interesting how 4chan (anonymous) is monitoring this development and us:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lwvKs46TPAEJ:4chon.net/new/res/1314157.html+scum+sweden+anonymous&cd=34&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
Maybe they’re still pissed about what is happening to Assange.
I sincerely hope so.
That was an example of piss-poor judgement from the top, and waaay too obvious, what was going on.
Their website with further explanation.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://anonopssweden.blogspot.com/&ei=P7_OTuDHK8Ls0gGS7_35Dw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ7gEwADgK&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dscum%2Bsweden%2Banonymous%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1298%26bih%3D860%26prmd%3Dimvns
Thanks for the info Denis and all.
Things just got a bit more interesting. I suspect if any one or any group would be able out anyone, it would be Anonymous.
I just hope that they are able to filter the information to the public so we can get these people on RH. I haven’t been in to them long enough to see the damage Anonymous does to its targets.
I do hope they are a bit more equalitist in nature. Sounds like from this video that they are.
Yes Usi,
They sound like they’re coming from an equity feminism position, rather than gender feminism.
Followed to the letter and in spirit, my own views are entirely concordant with equity feminism, as I assume is the case for most of us. It’s just that we haven’t seen that brand of feminism for decades but instead gender feminism and its endless victim-mongering.
Sweet mother of Jesus, the cavalry has arrived.
The truth WILL out.
To Anon.
New allies keep pouring in.
Indeed!
I’ve seen a few “woman logic” meme made by anonymous – some of them are quite funny. It was only a matter of time until they overlap with our cause.
I’m glad to see that Anonymous, understands the situation. As a man who has studied strategy for over a decade, I’ve got to say, these are some of the best allies we could have, given current circumstances.
The fags of the LGBT movement will applaud when one of these cunts talks bad about boys and men. I’m gay myself but the modern LGBT movement is a fucking disgrace. A bunch of sissy fags who are traitors to men and boys.
Most boys grow up to be heterosexual, it’s not a fucking conspiracy, that’s the way nature works most of the time. I would never try to make a young friend gay, especially since I can’t stand most fags because of how they identify with women so much.
If anybody is going to stop these femi-nazis it has to be straight men. Most gay men are useless feminized pieces of shit that would love to castrate boys and turn them into girls.
Greetings SEforever, it is highly meaningful to hear your experience and perspective. I empathize with you, and this provides great insight to better address our struggle.
I down voted you. You are welcome to your opinion, but it is hard to take seriously when articulated with all the brio of a skinhead.
Hello SEforever.
I empathise with your point brother, but I don’t think many can agree with you.
There is in fact a great deal of evidence to suggest that humans are naturaly supposed to be bisexual, so perhaps society has influenced the rate of exclusive heterosexuality to a degree, regardless, what somebody does in the bedroom has little to do with what type of activist they are.
I agree that the LGBT groups around today do nothing to help themselves and often promote a feminised view of homosexuality but I find your comment angry and tinged with hate and I fear this will drive people away from you regardless of the validity of your statements.
Also saying identifying with women is a bad thing for a man to do is equivalent to calling men who do this “not real men”. This takes away from the Zeta philosophy and even if it didn’t women are not the problem, feminism is.
There are many amazing women fighting feminism, some of them on this site, a great many men could benefit from emulating these powerful mens rights activists. Likewise there are many heterosexual mens men supporting feminism right now. I can honeslty say I have never been threatened with violence for “offending a lady” by a homosexual, I have however experienced this from many homophobic MEN! and many attempted to make good on their threats.
Please don’t bash groups where it isn’t warranted.
A great deal of evidence to suggest that humans are naturally supposed to be bisexual? I find that hard to believe. Certainly our biological evolution does not point in this direction.
I do not mean to detract from your response to SEforever, but I find that particular claim to be as hard to swallow as the claim that gender is a social construct. Both seem to have their origins in feminist philosophy, and both seem equally detached from reality.
Well our closest primate relatives, the bonobos, are almost exclusivly bisexual and the majority of conflict between them is solved by sexual contact between the hostile parties. They are also quite prone to orgies.
A look at sociobiology or anthropology shows that the majority of early civilizations were almost exclusivly bisexual as well. The greek proverb “boys for love, women for babies” comes to mind. Most people are aware of the sexual deviance of the greeks in particular but it is also observable among other cultures of the time.
There are many theories of why this is with the most promonant probably being a way to reduce in group conflict so they could focus on taking resources from outgroups and so the soldiers involved could bond more deeply with eachother.
Whether you want to believe this idea or not is of course up to you. I was simply saying the idea isn’t new and is certainly not a conspiracy from the LGBT or the feminist movement whether or not those groups endorse it.
I should point out I was refering to the ancient greeks here not their modern counterparts.
Actually, bisexuality is only observed in some male bonobo, with the majority of the females being bisexual.
With the Greeks, pederasty was a sociopolitical construct, with the young male or female showing deference and submission to the older mentoring male or female. While bisexuality between adults was not unheard of in Greek culture, it was generally frowned upon. By contrast, our oldest records of civilization from Mesopotamia find no mention of homosexuality. About the closest you can get is the relationship between Gilgamesh and Enki, but it would take some imagination to transform their relationship into a homoerotic one.
But hey, who am I to spoil ones delusions? If you want to ignore the literature and buy into the propaganda, by all means, be my guest!
So encouraged sex between man and child regardless of gender doesn’t point towards a civilisational bias of sexual obscurity?
And don’t you find no mention a little odd?
I mean times were brutal back then and one would imagine if people had a problem with it there would be executions, but instead there is no mention?
I think it’s possible that points to a sociaty wide ambivalence at least.
Ahh never mind. I would greatly enjoy engaging in a debate about this with you but I fear this isn’t the place for that. I hope you will at least agree there is literature on both sides, regardless of the side of the debate you find yourself on.
My original point was this, the idea of an original bias towards bisexuality is not a feminist conspiracy. Although you may consider it bad science if you wish.
As you so kindly leave me to my delusions, I will leave you to yours.
Chimpanzees are accepted as more evolved than bonobos in terms of physical appearance, behaviour and social structure. Bonobos are called the “Peter Pan of apes” because they never mature past juvenile behaviours and are more risk-averse than chimps.
Go Anonymous, go!
Looking ahead, I see a glittering career in the voluntary sector for these princesses.
Working with all those homeless men, maybe they’ll learn a thing or two.
Maybe not, because most homeless men would treat them with decency, respect and gratitude. Look what that brought the rest of us.
Heh, good point.
Hmmm. For some reason half my message disappeared. I’ll try editing it….
I’m glad Anonymous is involved now. I also liked the movie, “V for Vendetta,” so I appreciate their masks, too.
At one time Sweden was equated with sexual freedom. Its women were also deemed the most desirable. Now, hell, they don’t even make decent porn.
Feminists took the gold of the BC Pill and turned it to dross. Similarly, Swedish women used their sex freedom to enslave men. Now, thanks to the Internet, that sexism is coming back to bite them…big time.
Back in the day, the allure of Swedish women was used in a funny beer commercial:
Of course, feminists being Orwell’s ‘Junior Anti-Sex League,’ attorney Lori Peterson sued the company for sexual harassment (I debated her on TV at the time).
Also, methinks the clip below says a lot about the current sad state of Swedish men. They’ve gone from being fierce warriors to henpecked wimps. Imagine how the poor dude acts at home when the Missus lays into him!
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/crying_condom_ad/
I also wonder how many Swedish men now think, in addition to condoms, they should have protected themselves from feminism’s toxicity by joining the MRM. Their misandric social state wouldn’t have been born.
Anyway, imagine the piss-stained panties of those fun-lovin’ egalitarian Swedish meatballheads who made the video! They’re no doubt crying hysterically now about being targeted by Anonymous!
Paul, this could put “A Voice for Men” on the map!
Imagine…”NYT: The Swedish government today announced its family law computers were hacked by Anonymous. Apparently that cyber-savvy group was alerted to anti-male plays being performed in Sweden by the men’s rights group, A Voice For Men, headed by one Paul Elam. Mr Elam, resting on his 5,000 acre ranch in Unlimited Resources, TX, opined that ‘It’s ’bout time someone opened a can o’ whupass on them ornery, fulminatin’ sexist Swedish sidewinders.’ As he adjusted his Stetson and went back to fishing, we asked his masseuse….”
One can hope.
I agree with some of what you have said here … but I don’t think that these group are acting as you imagine. They are not out to frighten people into “pissing in their panties” for your or anyone else entertainment. Going by the tone of the announcement, I’d say that this group might resent your framing of their actions. There seems to be warning in there for all of the blogs involved in this, so if there are any idiots out there that identify as mra’s that are talking about retaliatory violence or alluding to it this warning would seem to apply to them also.
I agree.
We should always be careful not to become like the ones we are fighting.
“And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”
Thanks for that Kimski.
As I’m a “fair weather” commentator here, as in I only seem to show up when things are kicking off in some way, I notice changes in the mood and tone of the comments section and it seems to me that we need to be vigilant, as you say “And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” I’ve seen comments that really are in the same territory as radical-hub going unquestioned and encouraged by multiple thumbs up.
Well for one I would think that “Anonymous” is more of a group of pranksters, and hackers and the Swedish fems really don’t have much to worry about from them.
[Admin note: The remainder of this comment has been deleted. Reason: Stupidity. User banned.]
You’re either an incredibly stupid mra or you are a feminist that’s trying to bring Paul Elam and his site into disrepute.
Did you give any thought to that comment at all? I mean really. Do you know how fucking hard it is to take the appropriate actions we need to take to deal with ideologues that have the whole fucking world on their side?
Have you ever considered that when you use my name in this way the kind of fodder you are handing people on a silver platter?
And have you thought for even a fucking minute that I DO NOT sit around contemplating my ability to get a gun and shoot people?
See that edit key below your post? Kindly either use it to get rid of that fucking moron statement, or I will do it for you, and send you on your way as well.
FUCK SAKE!!!
You repulsive dull witted glassy-eyed self serving donk.
Advocating violence indeed ! What the hell did you have for breakfast… a bowl of bullets and milk ?
How abouts you get rid of that pustular covered post right the fuck now… hhhmmm ?
@American – your comment, suggesting retributive violence is still on the site because Paul got to it before me, and is giving you the option to edit it. Mr Elam is a very forgiving fellow. Had I seen it first, your comment would be deleted, and you would be banned.
Thank You very, very much.
That last part of your entry is one of the funniest things I’ve read in years.
I’ll be crossing my fingers and toes for this outcome, while laughing hysterically over the mental image.
So we’re radicals now. I suggest we use a radical icon. One of my favorites is the crossed hammers Pink Floyd used in an animation sequence in The Wall.
http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/mdanderson67/Pink-Floyd-The-Wall-Crossed-Hammers.jpg
I think most MRAs are finally getting this!
Gentlemen, if you are intellectually honest you will admit to yourselves (if not out loud) that no matter how we resist, whether through ‘civilized’ dialouge aka: apeasement, all spoken politely with flowery phrases and pussy correct language, or through harsh language with lots of cussing and violent imagery at the top of our lungs, we will still never be seen or described as a legitimate voice by our opposition. Their dogma-wide intellectual dishonesty ensures this no-win scenario.
We will be seen as a social pariah no matter what…
It really makes no difference which rhetorical tactics we choose to employ in this war against us, as our enemies will continue to attempt to shout us down, call us names, marginalize and villify us as a group, regardless of what we do.
I for one, am tired of being told to “keep it down” lest I offend the wimmins…from those who profess to be ‘fighting back’!
My favorite was a suggestion that I somehow come off as a “rabid dog” while expressing my POV. I had to laugh at that very feminist-like description of me.
I’m sure many others here can see the sheer stupidity in such an admonishment.
Gee, and here I thought I was just another run of the mill pissed off guy who has had enough of this Twilight Zone Bullshit!
Wonders may never cease and I guess one really does learn something new each and every day!
So with that said and from one ‘rabid dog’ to another:
I have to ask myself at least, if in fact no one else has the stomach to even entertain the idea of actually fighting back in a way women DON’T like or approve of, or which may even bring derision from our own ranks:
“Which way do I want to fight this war?
On my feet, or on my fucking knees?”
Also, and I think this is kind of important; “Do I want to actually win this war???”
And finally:”If winning this war means I may come off as sounding like a “rabid dog”, will it all still be worth it anyway?
Well if you get the language “pussy-correct” and are “civilized” and “polite” enough, you will simply be ignored.
The guys at feminist-critics have conclusively proven that. They have been trying to get civil dialogue and have been doing everything possible to get dialogue with feminists for years, including… editing out pussy-incorrect language from commenters, imposing numerous language restrictions and rules, all in order “to create a less hostile enviroment where feminists might feel safe to come and read opposing voices in peace”
No matter what they try, no feminist ever gives a crap about them or pays any attention to them. And it’s not for lack of effort. They’ve invested almost as much energy into their strategy as Paul Elam has in his’ – and they’ve been doing it for much longer.
They’ve changed writing styles, ways of reaching out, ways of trying to explain male issues in more pussy-friendly ways – you name it, they’ve tried it. And they have ZERO results… and they still blame themselves.
They’re still going “Maybe we’re just not communicating it well enough”, “maybe we haven’t created a safe enough enviroment?”.
The truth is that “lack of civility” is just a silencing method used against effective activists. And while I think it is possible to get results with dialogue in some areas of politics and business – in this particular area of dealing with feminists, it’s not.
These are actual cult-members. There’s no reasoning or dialogue with hardcore idealogues and zealots. You just defeat them.
100,000,000 thumbs UP!!
It’s because feminism is a polemic that there is no reasoning with it imo, it’s just not designed to compromise.
There is a saying within the debate arena. Mere fact does not the zealot sway. The object of discourse is not to convince the dogmatic cultist, but rather to bring the ambivalent fence sitters and the apathetic onlookers onto your side. Ones choice of language and approach really does matter to these people. Should both sides appear equally rabid and uncouth, they will pronounce both sides equally insane, shrug, and walk away. But should one side seem well mannered and reasonable, that side will draw support from the relatively sane masses while only those suffering from gross mental disorders will side with the radical fringe element.
Nice in theory.
In practice, men are ANGRY. In other words, the potential joiners are already angry and are looking for someone who is ACCEPTING of their anger.
Btw, I know this sounds ironic, but I used to write comments just like your just a year ago. If you don’t believe me, ask Paul Elam
I used to argue all this stuff about attracting fence-sitters bla bla bla…
Real-life changed my views. Go to feminist-critics and see how much fence-sitters they attract. Come to AVfM and see the incredible drove of new-joiners.
Again, your points are theory (one I’ve posited myself a year ago), but the practice is different.
The diplomatic, soft-communication approach gets ignored by everyone, not just feminists.
OH and PS.
The way we’re different in what we say is because we have TRUTH on our side. We don’t differentiate from radfems by saying it in a nicer way. We differentiate by SAYING THE TRUTH.
You saying that by speaking just as passionately as they do, that we “appear just like them to casual fence-sitters”… To that my answer is “who gives a fuck”. Seriously, grow a spine and stop worrying what random fence-sitters think.
The kinds of fence-sitters who can’t see the difference between a PASSIONATE TRUTH and a passionate lie, are people who wouldn’t have joined anyway. Does that make sense or not?
The kinds of people who will falsely equate passionate MRA with radfems, are people who wouldn’t have joined ANYWAY. If you took upon the FeministCritics nicey nice approach, you just get IGNORED, not joined.
There is a myth that exists in the men’s movement – that all anger, emotional hyperbole and wild claims and generalizations are always useful, and that any pointing out that this isn’t the always case is some sort of thought crime, tantamount to being a mangina and always motivated by women or feminists.
Its a fact that anger can be useful, its also fact that it can be useless and self defeating.
“Its a fact that anger can be useful, its also fact that it can be useless and self defeating.”
Anger is not useless. It’s a prime motivator.
The danger comes in the hormonal response. Unthinking “seeing red” and violent action. Entirely appropriate when under physical attack, but possibly self-defeating in this one-step-removed internet world. Then, it can be used as a deliberate tactic to cloud your thinking.
I didn’t explain that properly, I meant angry commentary can be both useful and self defeating.
By now, after all I’ve seen, heard, read, written, experienced, I should ‘ve been used to and immune to this kind of news but…I am not! I am perplexed beyond description.
Although most religious adherents refer to their God as “him,” I don’t think the argument about whether the God is really a man or a woman has been quite settled. On the other hand, the gender of the Devil needs no argument. I believe a consensus has been reached, or very close to be reached, about the Devil’s gender.
As an atheist, I have always viewed the biblical story of “Adam & Eve,” in the book of Genesis, as a metaphorical story, nevertheless, I’m beginning to find the story quite interesting—if only metaphorically.
In the story, I couldn’t quite comprehend why the serpent did approach the woman and not the man—that was a mistery to me. Interestingly, feminism has helped me to unravel the mistery.
I am fully aware that this is not a religious site, but neither am I. I am simply trying to drive home a point and I only hope I did.
http://www.f4e.com.au/blog/2011/11/17/michael-flood-when-equality-becomes-the-new-enemy-of-feminism/
http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/ex_gal_is_rubber_robber_DCGfEDf4vcBl12VJaiIo2N
AMEN! That’s the spirit. We’re Americans, not Swedish (no pun intended). Feminists seem to have an acute faulty reasoning. I don’t think they have thoroughly dwell on what could happen when you push a man too far and there’s no more ground to yield, and all you have left is a wall behind you and a shotgun.
Fuck this dumb shit big mickey talk.
Chill out dude.
Why should he “chill out” ? Your comment sucks big time.
I just banned someone for this. Let me make myself clearer, as there seems to be a sever case of dumbass floating around here for some reason.
WE DON’T ALLOW ANY ADVOCACY OF VIOLENCE HERE. ANY.
ANYONE ELSE HAS A MIND TO POST THIS KIND OF SHIT ON MY WEBSITE, THEN SET YOU WATCH AND COUNT THE TICKS TILL YOU ARE GONE.
@American & manfromman
I’m sorry, guys,-I’m not out to start a fight over this, but I’ve downvoted both of you and allow me to tell you why:
I sure as hell haven’t seen much bringing out the guns from the hundreds of thousands of american men that gets stripped of all assets and raped in courts every year, with everything from FRA’s to FDV’s, unless they use the guns to kill themselves with. And if that doesn’t apply to the term ‘backs against the wall’ nothing does. But if that was your point, I sincerely apologize for the downvote. From my point of view it doesn’t really matter which country you’re from or which gun laws you have, as long as an army of cops are ready to shoot you down without asking first, the moment you point that gun at a woman, be it in selfdefence or not. And no dead man has ever testified his innocence in any courtroom, ever.
@American.
As for the “Anonymous”: You can’t really spread a genderbased hate message through any media, if you’re hacked and shut down every time you try. They sort of would be restricted to do this at small tea-parties for the grrlz, where it wouldn’t have any impact on anyone, but the ones who are crazy in the first place, right?
Well Kimski that was the point I was, more or less, trying to convey–the increasing percentage of male suicide. But male suicides won’t be the only thing that will continue to increase. There will be many more men who will blow their brains out but they would take a bunch of people with them–and most likely the victim would be women; and neither the police nor the army would be there to safeguard them as it happened just recently with the guy who shot and killed all those women in the beauty-shop. History has shown us that we can push a group of people far, but at some point they’re going to fight back–regardless the outcome. History is full of examples. Apartheid is one of them. The essential point is–and this is what feminists don’t seem to realize or just don’t care–that you cannot solve a problem, real or perceived, by reversing it. As far as the “downvoting” thing, I don’t loose any sleep over trivial things. But I do appreciate your explanation.
I’m repeating myself here, but I think you should give this some thought:
“And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”
History has also shown that violence is the fastest way to elongate a conflict. Refusing to sink to the level of your opponent and retaliate has a force of it’s own, as you will hold the moral high ground. And who gives a fuck if the army or police is not there to defend someone, if you’re very likely to stare down the barrel of an M-16 later? You might as well spare yourself and others of the retaliation part and go jump off a bridge, because the outcome will be exactly the same.
On second thought..-Not exactly..-The ones who fight the same cause as you and choose not to die in vain, will have infinite bigger problems with getting through to the ones they oppose, as ALL will be held to the same standard as the ones using violence.
And I would like to think, that the majority of people in here are doing their damned best not to let things get to that point.
@Dr. F
I said “chill out” because there was no need for the cussing at me or anybody. He could have taken a few seconds and intelligently explain why he disagree. Kimski disagree and he was kind enough to offer an explanation why he disagree. Or he could have simply said–like you did–”Your comment sucks!”
You’re right, and I apologise for my lazy post. I should have expanded on what I said and so I will do just that.
When you say,”AMEN! That’s the spirit.” to a post that
endorses the same method of problem solving as the SCUM participants (murder) you flatline all of us to the same level of reptilian thinking.
You tar us all by that brush and make our fledgling movement homogenous with theirs in the eyes of those who just might jump rails to our side.
You’ve endorsed violence as SCUM activists have and make the chasm between MRA’s and SCUM, bridgeable.
Now I for one understand how it feels to vent and show strength in the moment of anger or joy, but you have to know that when you nail a hole in the submarine wall in order to feel a cool splash of water on your face you have the rest of us scrabbling about looking for a plug.
Violence shames us all and I would be remiss to accommodate it by ignoring it here on the site I cherish.
As for this bit, “We’re Americans, not Swedish”, it’s harmless enough I guess, but a bit silly when read on the borderless plains of the net.
…and this paragraph here, “I don’t think they have thoroughly dwell on what could happen when you push a man too far and there’s no more ground to yield, and all you have left is a wall behind you and a shotgun.” is I think you talking vicariously and are not representing yourself, I get that, except that it looks mighty juicy to a femtwit with a blog with a tether to the MSM.
That’s why I said your comment sucks, which it thoroughly does.
Yes, the comment sucks. I totally agree. I went back and re-read it a couple of times to see how it sounds and I saw what you all saw. It wasn’t a well thought out comment. But if you have noticed me around here for a while now you can see that that’s not a trend or a pattern of my comments. In my personal life I don’t believe in turning the other cheek, but that is not an indication that I endorse violence as a solution to a problem so complex as the one we all collectivelly are facing. I was trying to make a point of the potentially ugly things that could take place (and have taken place) when you push another human being too far and that person feel that he or she ran out of options—as the unfortunate case of the man who set himself on fire in front of the court house, or the man who shot all those women in the beauty-shop, for example. But it seems that I had an unusual mental fart and the whole thing came out the wrong way. My apology and thank you for pointing it out.
I am glad I saw this in the admin. I had come in here to ban you. Since I consider this a retraction of what you said, I will pass on the ban hammer this time.
This is a non negotiable rule here, friend. No violent talk, no way.
No Paul, that was a mental fart. When I came in here I had just left another website where I had a long and heated debated with a feminist and , as usual, I was ganged up by a group of manginas who came out in her defence since she could not handle it by herself. So I would admit I was pissed off. So, no you don’t need to use the hammer (lol). It’s all good.
All good.
I’d be Mr Pinocchio with a nose so long it needs wheels if I said I have never written posts that stunk. I have before for sure and kudos to you for your response here now.
We all make fine mistakes and that in itself is merely academic. What does matter is how we respond to our mistakes and you’ve excelled here in that way.
Mr “American” has yet to show the same class as yourself, but I’m of no doubt he’ll take reclusive measures somewhere silently and ashamed.
To settle any financial dispute with violence is plain dumb. Nobody put a gun to our head, now that the dads are all gone the shot gun weddings are a thing of the past….these days we got slut walks, “pretty women” is gonna get bang raped, just do your walk on by the slut, whistling take a walk on the wild side if you happen to remember.
hit them where it hurts….in the wallet and if need be, where it really matters, remove yourself from the family and start running, raising a family with no funds, and no help from a partner is such a good idea…let them have it. The hog wash these days is hard too keep up with, when did nurture over nature get thrown out? The legal system is run by insane criminals where the alleged victim is actually the perp….avoid it by disappearing.
Ignore them when they need help and piss them off when they dont and as a equal hunter for survival, use intelligence to out maneuver them ….they asked to be treated equal. Give them a nice big spoonful of equality, and keep you wealth hidden.
Elvis said it best, shes the devil in disguise.