Lighthouse

The Lighthouse: A Beacon of Lies

I am not generally fond of going back six months to cover something.  I am even less fond of it when it requires making any sort of reference to David Futrelle.

But recently a friend pointed to something in the comment section of one of his older columns, which unlike anything Futrelle himself writes, actually does warrant some attention.

Futrelle, it seems, has enlisted supportive comments from a domestic violence advocate that goes by the handle Christine.  This person has very unambiguous views about the MRM and some of its more visible members.

For instance, regarding an article I wrote challenging the idea that women should never be taught personal accountability for rape prevention, which was admittedly worded in the most indelicate terms, she commented, on Futurelle’s site:

“In Elam’s article, there wasn’t a question of whether the woman said yes or no. He is saying that if you buy her drinks, she gets drunk, makes out with you, and goes back to your room with you, then take what you want from her as she deserves it. Apparently, saying NO isn’t an option to him. It wouldn’t surprise me if he speaks from personal experience.”

Aside from the fact that this is an egregious, patently dishonest misinterpretation of what I said, Christine felt it necessary to also include the insinuation that I was a rapist.

Since I have never raped anyone you can imagine I don’t much care for this kind of public insinuation.

This is either based on a failure to understand the intent of the article in the first place, or a lack of desire to understand before ever having read it.

The public insinuation that I am a rapist won’t go without an appropriate public reaction.

She is not at all done with her “commentary.”

She notes, in another Futrelle piece critical of Bill Price of The-Spearhead:

“The MRM is known as the “abuser’s lobby” to those in the justice system and other criminal professionals and you don’t have to read their websites for very long to figure out why”.

OK, now I understand. All of us are abusers, and more, we are an actual lobby for the right to rape and beat women.  Isn’t this exactly what she is saying? Following this line of thinking, of course, she later concludes:

“I don’t think it will be too long before Bill Price and the MRM starts to get credit for promoting violence against women, men (to them, ‘manginas’, cops, and even family court judges on the-spearhead.”

Indeed, she is crediting us for it now, and would very much like to see others do the same. Following up on what can now fairly be described as a self-fulfilling prophesy, she yet again comments:

“@Elizabeth,Good idea, but Peter Nolan lives in Germany. Bill Price, the person who publishes this garbage, lives in Seattle, WA. It is my understanding that Peter Nolan is on some watchlists already. As he should be.”

And now she targets Bill Price, suggesting that he be on some sort of government watch list.

For what? Practicing free speech?

Perhaps there is something to her strategy. In fact, I predicted at the moment I read all these insane reactions to challenging the misandric zeitgeist, that Christine would be getting some attention of her own.

But I do think, as long as she is calling people out by name, making unsupported allegations and calling for Gestapo tactics to be employed against anyone who disagrees with her, then we should help her, effective immediately, to compete on a level playing field.

Her name is Christine Armstrong. She lives and works in Robertsdale, Alabama. She’s employed by The Lighthouse, a domestic abuse services program running on, among other things, your tax dollars.

Christine’s work number is listed as 251-947-6197, and she can be emailed at bcfvdcd@gulftel.com.

And oh yes, here is her picture.

And for the record. My name is Paul Elam. I live in Houston, Texas and my picture is on the “Paul Elam” page listed on the masthead of this website.

And if anyone thinks these kind of fear tactics are going to shut me up, they better think twice.  And even if someone manages to get state functionaries to shut me down, lock me up or kill me, more men and women will stand up and shout the truth till the rafters shake. It has already begun.

Men’s activism is not going anywhere. And unlike women’s advocates, we don’t need the threat of violence from the state to support our cause. We don’t need violence at all.

All we need to do is put some illumination on their dark intentions, and their deceit, because people are beginning to see and understand the sexism and avarice that fuels their entire industry.

Did anyone just hear that sound?

It was a light switching on…in yet another dark room.

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Paul Elam is the founder and publisher of A Voice for Men, the founder of A Voice for Men Radio, the AVfM YouTube Channel, and appears weekly on AVFM Intelligence Report, Going Mental with Dr. Tara Palmatier and monthly on MANstream Media with Warren Farrell and Tom Golden.

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  • Snark

    That’s funny. I thought the abuser’s lobby was that network of protection for female rapists, pedophiles and batterers, otherwise known as ‘feminism’.

    • Poester99

      Kudos, and a thousand thumbs up, for getting this excellent phrase as first post! 8)

  • Promoman

    Who wants to bet that The Lighthouse is among the shelters that are operating under the table?

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

    This doesn’t surprise me. Many professional feminists work for DV shelters and use their activism to perpetuate their own industry.

    The evidence is quite immense that DV is a human problem and not a gender problem. In practice, the feminist ideology is perpetuating family violence by neglecting abusive women, abused men and children.

    Since femnism is neglecting the full scope of DV, then it is plainly obvious that they are the lobby for female abusers.

    I would advise not to bother sending her any emails, why bother?

  • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

    OT: I just saw this posted at NCFM and put it in the side bar here.

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      Awesome video, gonna make this go viral in the run up to fathers day.

  • http://AVoiceforMen Patrick

    We should start a petition to get her removed from here position. Get the contact info of her boss and her boss’s boss. Start to form alliances with like minded organisations in Alabama (NCFM Chapter) does her shelter provide services to Men? Does it (shelter) recieve state/federal funding or hire Men. If we can take the initiative with Mary Skellet why not her?

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      It does NOT provide services to men. I didn’t find anything about their source funding.

  • scott

    there must be something based round the fact she is making allegations of rape etc and doing so known as herself and being part of a dv shelter she has got to be breaking some working law, would be worthwhile if someone contacted the organisation to find out if representing her organisation like this is breaking the rules or not .

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      I think it’s just projection, but I wouldn’t expect any form of accountability from that organization.

  • Adi

    She’s not the first to do that. It’s standard practice among the more radical feminists.

    You might have a case against her for libel – both as an individual and as an organization. Might be worth looking into pressing charges. In practice it’s typically hard to get such cases through but this one is quite blatant. You should save all the webpages where those comments appear (not just the text but the whole page) and perhaps show the above extracts to an attourney.
    Would certainly be a nice victory even if you don’t win but just put up a fight. It’ll make such people more careful in the future.

    Another angle of attack would be the website owner where those comments appear. At best their moderation sucks and at worst they’re complicit in the act.

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      Sure, but what are the damages? Did this hurt his livelihood and quality of life? How many thousands would that cost for a BS lawsuit?

  • AvgGuy

    Thanks for posting this Paul. As tax payers and concerned citizens, I think we should all be taking a long hard look at just what these folks in the “abuse” industry are up to.

    We have already seen numerous examples of how many of their key players like to play fast and loose with the “facts” … which is one of the main reasons why the current dv laws are a joke.

    We have also seen at least one example of a DV “advocate” who has helped a woman abduct children and temporarily prevent them from being with their father (google Gloria Fortson in Tacoma).

    I suspect there are a great deal more dirty little secrets hidden behind the walls of these “shelters.”

  • Eoghan

    ..and they swear up and down that there isn’t a problem with women lying about rape.

    • Snark

      Yeah, it’s like …

      “Women NEVER make false rape accusations! And if you disagree, YOU’RE a rapist!”

      • MateNeo

        Kafka trapping!

      • Eoghan

        Their pathological lying hands us a lot of power.

        How long can they keep up the pretense that false accusations arent a big problem when false accusations of rape just roll off their tongues like that?

  • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

    I agree, legal action would be a waste of time. I wish it were not so. But I don’t think it is a waste of time to contact that organization with messages of protest and condemnation.

    They may decide it is better for their organization and their employees if they all steer clear of online movements, and just keep their mouths shut and go back to getting funds to discriminate against men.

    It is, after all, ideologues like the ones that run the DV industry that will be heading the attack against those of us exposing their lies and corruption.

    Though she made no attempt to prove it, Armstrong was likely right in her claim that the MRM is known as an “abusers lobby” in the justice system. That perception has been cumulatively building via the propaganda issued by places like AMSA and NOMAS, as well as the ideologues responsible for the direct provisions of services, otherwise known as the “payees” of VAWA.

    I would not waste a dime on a lawsuit, but I don’t think it is a waste of time to (legally and non violently) get in their face. These are, after all, the corrupt enemies of the men and boys we advocate for.

    [img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/50314_343952586916_597827_n-1.jpg[/img]

  • Lovekraft

    I read your comment over at the Spearhead calling for the woman-bashing to be toned down. Too many thumbs down but I know you have thicker skin to be concerned with that.

    But, Paul, I want to thank you for putting that call on that site, to keep the focus and to keep the over-vindictive in line.

    Since its inception, I have received much comfort and knowledge from The Spearhead and consider Mr Price somewhat of an older brother, in an internet sort of way.

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      You are right. I don’t care about the thumbs down, and want to spend my life advocating for the guys that gave them to the comment I made.

      If there was not a lot of really horrible damage being inflicted on men, we would not need an MRM.

      I have a great deal of respect for Bill Price.

    • Kratch

      I won’t deny, I am not a fan of the spear-head myself. It has far to much of the woman haters, trash talkers and the like. But I feel it does serve a purpose, and that is as a gateway to the MRM. It functions as a place for men to go, blow off steam, learn a little something and then move on (if they so choose) to more civil and active MRM sites. Sort of like men’s purgatory, where the emotionally dead go to burn off their sins/anger before moving on to the greater good.

      But this is just my Opinion.

      • Kratch

        Despite your calling me a dumbass, you acknowledge exactly what I said. that the spearhead has a role to play. I don’t have to like something to acknowledge it’s usefulness and role. Please note I said exactly what you did, that it has a role in bringing in new members. That is not an unimportant fact, and it doesn’t escape me. I just personally am not a fan of the site.

        If you are taking issue with my comment “move on to more civil and active MRM sites”, I must question if you somehow believe that recruitment is where it begins and ends, If so, you are sadly mistaken. By “more active”, I refer to places like here and Pauls radio show, or SAVE and fathers and Families, that lobby and actually DO stuff. or do you believe that supporting these kinds of places is less important for people already involved, then recruitment, and thus shouldn’t have anyone moving on to them?

        You seem very much like a feminist in your response, I must like what you like, in the manner that you like it, or else I’m incompetent/a dumbass and should be treated with hostility, like I am the enemy. It would appear that there is no room for personal preference in your movement. You may want to rethink your approach.

  • Eoghan

    So what are the odds that Cristine ME is going to produce some sort of false flag attach against herself and play the victim..

  • Eff’d Off

    The Lighthouse – yuk. Australian product. (blush)

    Please go to their site and donate.

    [img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Pisa.jpg[/img]

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      You totally amaze me. Please keep these organized in a file. I am going to figure out how to put a portfolio into your archives here.

      • Eff’d Off

        Ta for the kind words.

        All files organised as organised as can be.

        P.S. The T-shirt design will not be delivered to you later this evening as I promised. It will be delivered in a few days or less if I get happy with a version.

        My drafts so far have been nothing but bin food.

        This is normal and just part of the process with something of a higher desired substance.

        • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

          Thanks for the update. Do what you do, brother, the way you do it.

  • Lovekraft

    Her comments are classic domination of the debate, trying to marginalize opponents, usually via shaming and other lies.

    No surprise to MRAs that this is there modus operandi.

    What I would like to do is call her out on her bluff – the statement that MRA sites are “known as the “abuser’s lobby” to those in the justice system and other criminal professionals”

    Would she be willing to back this up with on-the-record statements, with accompanying facts/postings?

  • J.G. te Molder

    Tseh, if there’s anyone vile around here, it isn’t us.

  • Roland3337

    How DARE this stupid true-believing feminazi bitch try to jam words in your mouth!

    JESUS this kind of thing pisses me off.

    What the fuck planet is she from?

    I shouldn’t be surprised by this kind of thing anymore. I wish I could shrug it off and say “uuh..duh…same shit different day…”

    But FUCK.

  • Keyster

    What I want is accountability.
    I want to see how many beaten women are processed and sheltered at the Lighthouse each week. I need the empirical evidence that justifies it’s existence. I need stats and records of residents, (names redacted of course). I need to know where funding comes from and where it goes. I want to know exactly how neccesary this , or any other domestic violence shelter, is today.
    Because, other than national statistics from groups with agendas to hawk, I find gathering this information to be very fleeting.

    And if that can be presented, I’ll make a donation in the name of AVfM, with a big fat written apology for even questioning what they really are.

    • Izzey

      You will never get all of that Keyster.

      And take it from someone that volunteered in an abuse shelter for women; years ago. The women in there are ‘coached’ to make statements, as are their children from their mothers.

      Domestic violence is big business.

      They have to justify their existence. Domestic violence keeps soooo many people employed. From the employed staff in the shelters to the lawyers, judges, jails….etc.

      Women use the system to avoid jail themselves.
      They are using drugs and playing the system… about to get ‘cut-off’ or ‘found out’ and they concoct stories to get themselves ‘protected’ and right back into the system.

      They have to endure some counseling, and maybe even (god forbid) some schooling to get a job in the future. But for the most part, they are back in the good graces of the system, and reap (sorry, really meant to say rape) the rewards.

      I do not deny that there were some abused women there.
      But they were so tough and angry….it made me want to see what their husbands looked like.

      And I always heard one or two say…”I showed him…now the police are looking for him, and I’ll bet he’s sorry he ever fucked with me

      Shelters are havens for many spiteful women.
      Most are alcoholics and drug addicts…also violent…but you never hear about that part.

      Izzey

      • Keyster

        Thanks Izz – What’s happened is that VAWA should have obsoleted DV shelters, but instead they’ve shifted their tactics to survive by allowing drug addicted homeless women in, to keep the numbers boosted.

        The whole “industry” is a corrupt scam the likes of ACORN and Planned Parenthood. And no one in the media will DARE expose it.

        If there’s a woman (or man) who’s had the holy crap beat out of her by her husband or boyfriend, I’d be the first one to volunteer my assistance to her and help put the bastard away. Other than some lower rung, ethnic and/or drunken white trash brawls, I don’t know where all these REAL victims are. There’s more propaganda to keep funding rolling in and DV workers employed, than reality.

        I have a STRONG gut feel about this and beg to be proven wrong, and no one in the DV industry takes me up on the offer.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

    To whom it may concern,

    I am an advocate for male victims of domestic violence and rape. I have done extensive research and I can tell you unequivocally that YES we exist.

    One of your staff at the Lighthouse (Christine Armstrong) has engaged in an online campaign of libel against Mr. Paul Elam and Mr. Bill Price. While you may not agree with all of their opinions, these men are giving male victims an opportunity to be heard and voice their concerns about the public apathy and severe lack of available services for male victims of domestic violence and rape.

    http://avoiceformen.com/2011/05/13/the-lighthouse-a-beacon-of-lies/

    I would also like to note that your website gives the distinct impression that male victims do not exist by the use of female victim only statistics. I understand that you are helping some women, but when violent women and male victims and their children are ignored, then are you not providing subterfuge for violent women?

    Not only are abused men ignored by police, social workers and abuse shelter; abusive women are also ignored which perpetuates the cycle of family violence that is taught to children and puts abusive women in danger of escalating reciprocal violence. There is a better way to move forward in addressing the scourge of family violence.

    Intimate partner and family abuse: a casebook of gender-inclusive therapy
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=Ol-sgO5wppUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=hamel+domestic+violence+case+book&source=bl&ots=cj-i7nov4r&sig=HO80pfGstJQ33NIhz_qJeFkPSog&hl=en&ei=UBGqTfajGurG0QHYjNX5CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hamel%20domestic%20violence%20case%20book&f=false

    http://www.nfvlrc.org/latestResearch.htm

  • Kazzi

    Talk about slander. If only the tax payers were allowed to have a real say in where our money is going the world would be so different.

    For all of these groups that have now been set up in regards to ‘domestic violence’ etc.. you would think it was an epidemic happening world wide… but its not. Yes some does occur… but not to the point of how these groups portray it.

    When will all governments wake up to the fact that these women are liars…that the statistics that they show to get grants are false and to stop the ‘male bashing’ that has become rampant in our societies.

    No for what these women are saying is… yes its ok to get dressed up… show as much clevage without the boobs popping out, have the skirt just covering the arse… let them go to a pub/night club… let them drink as much as they like… make a total fool out of themselves… say yes to going back to a guys place… say yes to fooling around .. then saying yes to having sex… but the next day (or even while they are ‘doing it’ saying no.. it was not ok. BULLSHIT. If they have said yes.. they have said yes… I doubt any guy would pressure any bimbo into anything… and if they had said no to begin with… the guy walks away.. simple as that.

    If any women on any website slandered either my hubby or one of my boys… OMG… she would never hear the end of me.. and she would be running scared.

  • typhonblue

    ““I don’t think it will be too long before Bill Price and the MRM starts to get credit for promoting violence against women, men (to them, ‘manginas’, cops, and even family court judges on the-spearhead.””

    Wait, wut?

    I thought all men and all society promoted violence against women? How could the MRM somehow get special recognition for ‘promoting violence against women’ if everyone’s doing it?

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      Typhon – the typhoon of truth – strikes again.

  • Sean Gonzalez

    My letter to the lady:

    Your shaming tactics and outright lies against Paul Elam are duly noted but will not be ignored. You and your kind fighting to criminalize men and call us all rapists is not going to pass us anymore. We’re tried of handing people like you the ability to damage our lives because we disagree with you on the fact that we believe we are human and deserve to be treated as such. Your actions and your words are reprehensible, marking yourself as the worst kinds of bigoted sexist there is…one who defines themselves as a victim while you are victimizing others. If you were EVER any kind of a victim, you’d never try to hand out lies, pain and punishment to the innocent.

    We do not, nor have we ever, condoned violence against ANYONE. Yours is the group that sees no wrong in attacking and assaulting men, and you have the Law to back you up. You’ve corrupted a movement in order to propagate a world filled with people you consider “Safe”. With indoctrination, lies, media duping and outright bullshit you’ve managed to make it impossible to be a responsible man in this society. Your understanding of your own movement and what it’s doing is pathetic, but your attempt to describe ours is even more so. Like the man once said,”Tis better to hold ones tongue and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

    Mangina:

    1. A man totally controlled by a woman

    2. A weak willed man

    In other words, the only kind of men you consider men

    Good luck with the rest of your MRM lessons…you’ll need them.

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      :)

    • Ryan

      Super professional! Wow! A+

    • scatmaster

      Wow Sean!!!! Outstanding!!!
      Hope you don’t mind me rewriting that in my own style.
      Love it.

  • ProleScum

    2010 rules: Faced with facts they don’t like but can’t deny, Feminists will resort to an ad hominem attack on their opponent.

    2011 rules: Faced with facts they don’t like but can’t deny, Feminists will resort to the widespread public defamation their opponent’s character.

    Pathetic.

    • Eff’d Off

      2012 rules: Faced with facts they don’t like but can’t deny, Feminists will resort to eating organic grass clippings and begonia petals on unleavened bread due to widespread strikes in the transportation, shipping, rescue and safety, electrical, plumbing and security industries.

  • giselle

    How dare she insult you? You’re such a gentleman. I can’t believe how stupid most people are.

  • http://jmnzz.wordpress.com jmnzz

    I didn’t bring anything about that freak show up on the comments pages of this site for one reason. I know that his attention seeking lunacy is mostly ignored and giving anyone reference to him is looked down upon.

    But

    Since we are on the subject I would just like to say that Futrelle is one of the most pathetic, hypocritical, woman worshiping, man hating bigots in existence. That ignoramus is on par with those bigoted “conscious” men who propagate that the entire male sex is to blame for everything evil in the world.

    That douche is so obvious with his man hatred that he doesn’t even take offense to what those “conscious” bigots said.

    Nope

    Instead he is offended by how “creepy” they are to women. Forget that they claim, like so many other male feminists that having a penis means you are the bringer of destruction to humanity, no, Futrelle’s focus is on how unappealing they are to women.

    You know, because when a man says that HIS GENDER IS INHERENTLY EVIL, the thing everyone should focus on is how the way he said it makes WOMEN feel.

    Also

    Each and every one of those nut-job feminists who comment on his site are so hateful of men that they cannot formulate an opinion on any type of situation without either blaming men or propagating the supposed superiority of women over men in every way.

    These are the morons who claim that ballerinas can kick an average guy’s ass.

    These are the morons who claim that men refuse to compete with women in sports because men are afraid of losing to women.

    These are the messed up in the head group thinking rejects I spoke of in another one of my comments here without naming them as to avoid bringing them their desperately needed attention fix.

    It’s people like Futrelle who make me despise feminism the most.

    Even now they are claiming that the evidence brought against Kellet is a lie and that Vladek Filler should be prosecuted a second time. They are more than happy to see another innocent man’s life dragged through the mud and destroyed.

    Bigots like Futrelle and his ilk are hard at work pumping out lies about those within the MRM, trying to discredit them early before the public gets a full dose of the truth. That, as I’m sure you already know, is why people like Christine are attacking you and foreshadowing their desires to get the government involved because people speaking out against the discrimination against men is no longer “misogyny” they can “mock” (read: lie about)

    This is why when the tables turn and the discrimination men suffer is finally brought into the light I will be among the first to smile when bigots such as Futrelle and Christine writhe in anger as they are no longer able to laugh at and cheer for the discrimination against men to continue.

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      You can write for AVfM ANY TIME. Well said.

      • http://jmnzz.wordpress.com jmnzz

        Thanks! I’ll definitely send a few articles to the site.

  • Ryan

    Personally attacking feminists is fun, I mean clearly shelters that are helping abused women and children that are abused is a direct attack on MEN.

    Get over yourselves! No one takes the MRM seriously because of this kind of ridiculous, hateful behavior. What good is picking on this woman doing to your cause? Shutting down women’s shelters isn’t going to build men’s shelters. It seems like most of you are too lazy to get off the internet and stop whining. If you actually were concerned about shelters and resources for abused men you would be going out and organizing, building shelters and asking for funding.

    Go do something productive other than personally attacking people with fallacious arguments and hatespeech. NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY! :)

    • Izzey

      Just in case you have not read anything else in your sheltered little life….

      MEN built those shelters.

      I have no time for you today.

    • Eff’d Off

      You sound pretty hateful yourself.

    • http://jmnzz.wordpress.com jmnzz

      “NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY!”

      Then why exactly did one of your bigoted feminist buddies try to silence the MRM through the courts?

      Seems to me that the MRM is being taken quite seriously. In fact it seems to me that the MRM is inciting some fear into hate mongering morons like you.

      Oh and by the way when someone falsely implies that you are a rapist (something feminists are notorious for) like Christine did that gives you free reign to call them the moronic man hating female supremacist fucktards that they are.

      Moron.

    • Eff’d Off

      “NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY !” …you mean us… yes ?

      Well here’s my question:
      Q/ Why do you take time out to write a message to a group of people that nobody takes seriously hhhmmmm?

      God you’re dumb to not think of that before you wrote you nasty and hateful rubbish.

      I mean you cannot, and I mean c a n n o t in any way be even half smart to let that slip through your cupped hands.

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      Telling men to “build your own shelters” is like telling women “build your own unions” because men built most unions. The discrimination we challenge is in taxpayer-funded programs, and men pay at least half of those taxes. There is already an entire industry built by Canadian men and women to serve victims of domestic violence (women only). Men do not need to create their own infrastructure, it already exists. Discriminating against men needs to change.

      The choice is clear:

      Either we continue to disseminate misleading and false information that conforms to a self-serving ideological agenda. Or we move forward in our shared goal to help families become violence free. As long as we as a society continue to ignore women’s violence against men, the cycle of family violence will continue to be taught to children.

      Dutton, Corvo 2006, Transforming a flawed policy: A call to revive psychology and science in domestic violence research and practice
      http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/DuttonCorvo.policypaper.pdf

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      Those shelters frequently refuse help to children when it is the father being abused. And most people don’t take the MRM seriously because they don’t take the struggles of men and boys seriously.

      But to say “NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY”?

      Well, let’s see, the two most recent articles on this site cover 1) an official from a DV shelter that tries to smear us with false allegations and and suggests we need to be the target of investigations – and – 2) a district attorney standing in front of a judge trying to get him to order us to shut up.

      Current events, and I mean just of the last few hours, prove you don’t have a clue what the fuck you are talking about.

      Got some news for you. The tide is just starting to turn. We are going to lend a whole new meaning to serious that even people like you will understand.

      • scatmaster

        “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”

      • Keyster

        It’s the “dismissal by proxy” debate tactic.

        “You’re nothing more than a joke, an inconsequential fool to everyone”, and because they stated it makes it a fact. This is also meant as a sanctimonious ploy to make you retreat and take stock of yourself and your entire belief system…in their feeble minds, that’s what you’ll now do.

        “Oh God, maybe he’s right. Maybe I really am a nothing nobody.”

        You’ve been scolded by someone who knows better.
        For shame!

        • Poester99

          OMG! WE ARE UNDONE! FLEE… FLEE….
          :)

    • Kazzi

      Quote: “If you actually were concerned about shelters and resources for abused men you would be going out and organizing, building shelters and asking for funding.”

      Oh get a grip on reality wanker. What do you think happens with all the shelters that are built… that its 50/50… Na try 99/1 in pretty much all countries… and funding… Oh please. Have a look at how many ‘womens’ groups get funding compared to mens… the same a Health.. how many adds you see for womens health etc.

      The only way to get things rolling to be on the websites such as this.. to get their voices heard.

      Asking for funding for men.. is getting blood from a stone. You Ryan are the one who is NOT taking anything Seriously.. but we are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://counterfem.blogspot.com fidelbogen

      “Shutting down women’s shelters isn’t going to build men’s shelters. It seems like most of you are too lazy to get off the internet and stop whining. If you actually were concerned about shelters and resources for abused men you would be going out and organizing, building shelters and asking for funding. “

      Well Ryan, I can’t speak for everybody in the non-feminist sector, but my top priority is NOT building men’s shelters, but wiping feminism off the face of the earth.

      i DO care about such things as men’s shelters, etc . . meaning that I have nothing against such things. But for me it is further down the list. And when I do think about such things, it is mainly in the context of the political game against feminism.

      The best thing we can do to help men, is to damage feminism any way we can. For me, that is the prime directive above all else. Feminism is a huge force for stirring up violence in the world in general, so strike the root, I say!

      Surely you, Ryan, don’t support feminism now . . . do you? Why are you attacking the non-feminist community??

      Also, if you are still around, explain what the hell you mean by “NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY”. It isn’t precisely clear who or what you you refer to in this statement. So. . clarify!

      • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

        ” I can’t speak for everybody in the non-feminist sector, but my top priority is NOT building men’s shelters, but wiping feminism off the face of the earth.”

        Feel free to speak for me.

        • http://counterfem.blogspot.com fidelbogen

          My full, definitive statement in this particular realm may be found here:

          http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2011/03/tell-me-this-does-not-pertain-to.html

        • Raven01

          With feminism dead we won`t NEED men`s shelters. All women`s shelters would be required to become domestic violence shelters and to help both genders. It would also make it harder for them to continue promoting their anti-male agenda with men in the audience.
          You are spot-on going for the head of the snake Paul. I am still shock feminism survived as long as it has so consistently biting the very hand that feeds it. But, that would be why the secondary target is modern warped chivalry I assume.

          • Poester99

            HA! Waiting for all the old guard chivalrist “daddies for the poor widdle womenz” to die off and then you’ll see the fit hit the shan… the boys know more than they’re given credit for…

    • codebuster

      If you actually were concerned about shelters and resources for abused men you would be going out and organizing, building shelters and asking for funding.

      What, and perpetuate this victim-mentallity Idiotsphere? And continue to give power to the politicians and gubmints that fund these sham industries?

      The only thing that we have to learn from feminists is how NOT to be. That’s why these farcical monuments to feminidiocy need to be dismantled entirely.

    • Keyster

      “If you actually were concerned about shelters and resources for abused men you would be going out and organizing, building shelters and asking for funding.”

      So would you.

    • The Enlightener

      Judging by your moral high horse, I assume you’ve donated to SAVEservices.org and signed their petition to ensure real victims are being served at domestic violence shelters.

      http://www.saveservices.org/2011/04/abuse-shelters-not-serving-true-victims-petition-calls-for-accountability/

      I have.

    • Poester99

      ….. NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY! :)

      ha… your letter belies its point… YOU obviously do!

  • Coby

    “calling for Gestapo tactics to be employed against anyone who disagrees with her”

    Gestapo tactics? Seriously?

    “if anyone thinks these kind of fear tactics are going to shut me up, they better think twice. And even if someone manages to get state functionaries to shut me down, lock me up or kill me…”

    This all seems like a way over the top reaction to some dumb comments some dumb woman made on a dumb blog.

    • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

      And you can fuck off as well. Come back and talk when it is you, and I mean your real name, not Coby, that has received public insinuations that you are a rapist.

      • Eff’d Off

        Holy crap ! Did I just read that ?

        Boing !

        I guess you got your hands full with these fleas nipping at your nuts.

    • The Enlightener

      Feminism is backed by the power of the state. It is inevitable that feminists will try to lock up or have MRAs killed through the power of the state.

      You will try.

  • codebuster

    It is satisfying to see Bill Price referenced as “the person who publishes this garbage”. Because we know conclusively that it’s not garbage. We know that Bill is level-headed, fair and capable, providing among the best, well-supported articles that I’ve ever read on the topic. When fools like Christine dismiss this kind of top quality material as garbage, you know that you are dealing with very unsophisticated morons… certified.

    I am reminded of Bernard Chapin’s recent commentary on his Inferno, where he says, “Whenever our enemies attack me personally, I dig it”, and he describes how, when attacked personally, he “would walk out of there feeling like I was 8 ft tall.” And rightly so, too.

    I make it a general rule to never ever under-estimate anyone, treat everyone with respect, and to always expect the worst. It’s my default position. But thus far, from what I’ve seen, I cannot avoid the conclusion that feminists and their manginas, for the most part, are complete fools. From one perspective, it’s a mistake to project your intelligence onto them, they are definitely not as smart as you. Still, I’m not too sure that they will continue to remain as blissfully stupid once the shit hits the fan. So continue to go forth with humility and continue to expect the worst. That way, you are less likely to encounter nasty surprises, and more likely to be pleasantly surprised when things turn out your way.

  • ProleScum

    Don’t worry about these Lighthouse goons Paul.

    Even their music stinks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRAiLKiwFvw

    :)

    • Keyster

      Ironically, whenever he sings “lifted” he’s flat in pitch.
      Or as Randy Jackson would say, “yo dogg, it was a little pitchy”.

      Didn’t whomever went to the trouble to produce such a video even notice?
      I mean that can be fixed in software.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAmOxvudpF8 Ray

    “The MRM is known as the “abuser’s lobby” to those in the justice system and other criminal professionals and you don’t have to read their websites for very long to figure out why”.

    Actually, there is an abuser’s lobby. They’re the ones promoting and running the taxpayer funded, domestic violence industry (VAWA). All you have to do is watch “Los Misandry” to see the truth of that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAmOxvudpF8

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAmOxvudpF8 Ray

    “Men’s activism is not going anywhere. And unlike women’s advocates, we don’t need the threat of violence from the state to support our cause. We don’t need violence at all.”

    Amen brother! All we need is the truth, and thanks to you and others, “WE HAVE IT!”

    One morning as I was making my rounds at the politically correct college where I used to work, I saw this message spray painted on the sidewalk. The graffiti, interspersed with the trodden down chewing gum, seemed to convey a message of almost mystic proportions. http://tinyurl.com/3mvbuv6

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAmOxvudpF8 Ray

    “The evidence is quite immense that DV is a human problem and not a gender problem. In practice, the feminist ideology is perpetuating family violence by neglecting abusive women, abused men and children.”

    Gender feminists (like the dedicated Marxists they are) love to invent words/language and force their intended meanings on an unsuspecting public. I call that modus operandi language rape, or word rape. “Gender based violence” is the catch term that the taxpayer funded, domestic violence industry has invented to foist their misandric ideology (hate movement) on America. They use the term “gender based violence” in many of their publications and programs. And the hypocrite ideologues of “gender based violence prevention” never bother to address the egregious, gender based violence that women overwhelming perpetrate against little children. Yes, domestic violence is “a human based problem,” not a “gender based problem” as the gender feminist liars, running the taxpayer funded domestic violence movement, would like to FORCE US to believe. The time is past due to loudly refute and end the thuggery of the sisterhood of victimhood, IMO.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAmOxvudpF8 Ray

    “calling for Gestapo tactics to be employed against anyone who disagrees with her”
    Gestapo tactics? Seriously?
    “if anyone thinks these kind of fear tactics are going to shut me up, they better think twice. And even if someone manages to get state functionaries to shut me down, lock me up or kill me…”
    This all seems like a way over the top reaction to some dumb comments some dumb woman made on a dumb blog.

    I never cease to be amazed at the ignorance, and/or foolishness, and/or outright stupidity of some who try to attack MRA’s.

    Like 1930’s brown shirts, today’s law enforcement is merely the dumbed down, enforcement arm of the sisterhood of victim-hood, and “yes” they (law enforcement) have been programed through VAWA funded, STOP grant training to do all of the above that Paul has mentioned – AND MORE.
    http://tinyurl.com/3wfx52d
    and
    http://tinyurl.com/3knvdft
    and
    http://tinyurl.com/44kvzru
    and
    http://tinyurl.com/3euvxcc

  • Raven01

    Have you considerred legal action based on the claim that you could be a rapist….. because you have a penis I suppose is her line of “reasoning”.
    If possible hit the bitch where it hurts…. right in her purse and get back some of that dough she has taken out of some guys wallet.
    We NEED these idiots to fear us more. Not for violence, but for financial repercussions when they shout their lying mouths off and go too far as they often do.
    We know they cannot win a fair debate. They know they cannot win a fair debate. That is the main reason they resort to the pathetic tactics they so often employ. Take those tactics away or force them to be toned down and this fight will be much shorter.

  • George

    Paul.

    What you are deccribing in you piece is fantastic news on one level. In my experience, when the feminists single you out for attacks of this nature it is because they are scared shitless. You represent a real threat and they turn the heat on to shut you up. What this woman and her Marxist pals have to realise is that you are not alone in this fight. The days of single men standing alone against the giant edifice of Marxist-Feminist liars are over.

    Bring it on sisters! One of the things men do really well, apart from the building the civilisation you all live in, is fight wars. You take on one of us you take on all of us. You knock one of us down and fifty more will rise in his place. All of them, to a man, determined to end your poisonous lying, your filthy propaganda and your psycho-political Marxist attempts to ruin our countries.

    You wanted a fight sisters? Well, now you have one! Enjoy because it is going to get real bumpy between now and our final victory.

  • Eff’d Off

    Excellent.

    ( Cavalry bugle sounds ) Brupppedy Bruppetty Bwahhhhh !

  • chris

    The ability to take plain written words and twist them as she has is a common female “skill”. Sometimes I think many of them, because of not being deep thinkers (a la Elder George) have preconceived about 3 things an MRA may say in response to a given topic. Then, she reads the title and first sentence and responds not to what you wrote, but to one of her 3 pre-considered arguments, she has planned her responses to these, they are at best straw men because she makes them up, but sadly even then she has no cogent response to even her made up MRA points, instead she fancies herself a rhetorical fencer, sees her wit and bite a force to be reckoned with.

    In effect she argues with herself, since both sides are her creation, meanwhile the points you make stand.

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  • grizzlychu85

    Outstanding Paul! Although I guess you are an abuser for slapping Christine in the face with your balls of steel! And let’s not forget how often you use reason and we all know that using reason against a woman is abuse! As is saying hello, asking for a phone number, opening a door, not opening a door, smiling in the general direction of a woman, not smiling in the general direction of a woman, ect.