Well gents and ladies, it has been a most interesting evening. Grab yourself a cuppa and listen to what you, MRM loyalists, did.
Just about two hours ago I got off the phone with Shannon Dingee-Kramer, the director of customer relations and operations for BlogTalk Radio.
The short version of that talk is that we are back in business at BTR, with an apology for the interruption, but the details of the conversation are what you will find most interesting.
The program was interrupted by a complaint about something I said on the air on 6/28/11, in the episode entitled FTSU Big Time. I said, and the quote is approximate, regarding the debut of register-her.com, “Now, if Mary Jane Rottencrotch decides to falsely accuse her husband of domestic violence in order to get the upper hand in a divorce, we can publish all her personal information on the website, including her name, address, phone number…even her routes to and from work.”
This remark elicited a complaint to BTR, from an unnamed individual. I asked if it was Jessica Valenti and was told by Dingee-Kramer that she did not know.
I asked because it was immediately after that broadcast that Valenti was caught tweeting her followers, looking for advice on how to erase her existence off the internet.
Apparently the tough as milquetoast creator of Friday Feminist Fuck You is just a scared little girl when someone fights back.
In the next part of the conversation we covered what should have been obvious from the outset. I was making a rhetorical, hypothetical remark about the possibilities of what we could do, using a fictitious character in the process.
Dingee-Kramer’s reaction to the complaint was impulsive and thoughtless for sure.
I threatened no one, speaking only in the realm of possibilities, and the reaction should never have happened. And as anyone visiting register-her.com can see, there is no personal address of anyone listed on that site, much less their routes to and from employment or anywhere else.
No one named Rottencrotch either.
To her credit, that was precisely Dingee-Kramer’s after-the-fact assessment of her own decision, and why she offered what appeared to be a sincere apology.
She also reinstated AVfM Radio while we were on the phone together.
Her explanation of what happened centered around her assertion that they were very short staffed when the complaint came in and that she made a decision spontaneously, without diligent investigation.
All because someone complained about what I said, alleging it was a real threat against an actual human being.
In short, just another feminist telling a lie. And someone else who bought into it without thinking.
Truth tell, I liked speaking with Dingee-Kramer. She was personable, accountable and shared with me that she visited register-her.com and is “100% supportive” of what we are doing there, also relating her feeling that women in this culture can “fall into a bucket of poop and come out of it smelling like a rose.”
It appears she is familiar with the pussy pass.
Jared White recently posted an excellent article on this site, “And then they fight us…”
Of course the partial quote is from Ghandi’s “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
And now, gents and ladies, they are fighting us. And we are winning.
Dingee-Kramer also shared with me that they had been getting a high volume of “hate mail” from fans of AVfM Radio.
People, that was not hate; that was your VOICE. And the world is starting to listen to it. I have absolutely no doubt – NONE – that you broadcasting your righteous outrage crushed the feminist lie and set us back on course.
BTR listened to you.
Oh, and so did Mary Kellett and the Ultimate Men’s Summit and the Bangor Daily News.
And you can bet your ass that no matter how silent they are around AVfM Radio, the feminist hate mongers are listening to you as well.
And it is eating them alive. Too bad for them it only gets worse from there.
Let me tell you what the net result was of a feminist lodging that false complaint against us. We got an apology and a high ranking staff member of BTR that is going to screen future complaints (and they will get them) a lot more carefully and thoughtfully.
We got Bob O’Hara, a respected and competent MRA to volunteer to be the first AVfM News Director. We got yet another technical expert who will be working henceforth with JtO on register-her.com.
We now have Nergal as our new volunteer coordinator to help us organize talent and resources that we can use to keep upping the ante.
We got some badly needed donations that will now allow us acquire VPS services for AVfM for at least the next year AND a damn good start on what I need to build or buy the serious hardware I need to take this to the next level.
All these things became a part of the chain of events because one feminist told a lie and the real MRA’s, all of you, decided they were not going to take it laying down.
Then they fight you, then you win.
Then. you. win.
So to Valenti, or whoever the feminist bonehead was who tried to take us down with one of your filthy lies, THANKS! Please listen to the newly invigorated AVfM Radio more in the future. Contact BTR with phony complaints as often as possible (and for you that is very, very often).
We will be back on the air with a Jessica Valenti Special on August 2, 2011.
Another dozen false allegations and AVfM will get a 50,000 watt radio station.
But seriously, to readers and listeners of AVfM, take a moment after reading this and consider you just dealt a significant blow to the hateful ideologues that want to continue their war on men and boys with your complicit silence.
Look back on the things that have happened just at this website in the past year, from the New York Times to launching our own radio program, to BENEFITTING from the attacks on us.
And then imagine where we will be and what we will be doing a year from now.
These people are not invincible. They are vulnerable, simple minded bigots, and we are going to take them all down.
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One thing to say …YYYYEEEEFUCKINHAHH!!!!! And thank God. And you Paul! I knew it would happen. And Jessica is a worm
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This is fucking awesome!
AVFM is not some little shit. We know the truth.
It is just a matter of time before feminists and their stupid ideas are engulfed by the fireball of truth.
Cutting a man’s penis….. Cutting the radio show….. Not so easy anymore you stupid feminists. People are waking up to the truth.
Make of this what you like, joking about the severing of a man’s penis on live TV is just fine. A milk commercial humerously centered on the often TRUE stereotype of women PMSing? GOT to go!! It was taken off the air!
Men’s egos more fragile my ASS!!!!!!!!
My fucking ass.
And the same with Paul bein pulled off! Fragile egos! LOL didn’t last though did??
Asinine isn’t it?
Fucking putrid!
I’ve been trying but having trouble posting this for a few days…anyway, in case no one noticed, it’s official, Sharon Osbourne is leaving “The Talk”….official BS reason: “to spend more time with Ozzy”.
I say….NOT ENOUGH CBS! NOT ENOUGH!
Wow. You are completely right- NOT ENOUGH. Julie Chen was the fucking master of ceremonies, guilty as Sharon, must GO. And that idiot with the shitty Brooklyn accent too, Mrs. “Cutting up his stuff.” Cunt.
However, maybe just squeeze in a brief, “let the victories roll on!”
Julie Chen – Oh those hot Asian Babes?
Oh – wasn’t it also an “Asian Babe” that cut her husbands penis off?
I am getting ready to tell all those f*cks that tell me I need to get an Asian woman what to go do with themselves.
I can’t imagine ANY sane man wanting to spend time with that hag.
Oh, and by the way… YEE-HAA!!!
This is the poster child of what can happen to you when you fry your brain on drugs, and can’t resist.
She talks about sexual violence and mutilation so easily, she’s probably capable of that and more.
Hopefully he doesn’t end up like Kurt.
Sharon had plans to leave before this incident.
Golly, what a coincidence. pft.
I have plans to retire, some day.
Yeah…sure she did!
I feel bad for Ozzy.
Yeah, me too. Now I understand why Ozzy did drugs.
Hell, I’d be slamming dope too, if I my wife was a tyrannical insect who laughs at genital mutilation.
And as far as Jessica being tough as milquetoast? Here is a commercial Feministing actually finds offensive (I am sure many of you have seen it, first for me) :
Modern females are little girls in large bodies.
“Feminists? Children. Truly insane, crazy children.”
Some guy on The Ghost Nation
Often very large bodies (Andrea Dworkin).
And very ugly faces.
I had a hearty laugh at that commercial.
It’s nice to see anything directed primarily at men these days…besides bitching.
I find that commercial offensive as it portrays the men as scared and subservient to their moody, hostile wives. While hormones do effect a woman’s “outlook on life” during that time it does not give them a pass to become Medusa to any man within shouting range. Imagine how the feminists would react to a commercial where the women were running around with a terrified look on their faces buying shopping card loads of beer for their angry husbands. They’d march on the White House.
Feminists need to get over themselves, chill out, and quit blaming everything under the sun on men i.e. grow up.
PMS is just an excuse to be a bitch.
If you can’t handle PMS, then you can’t handle owning a body.
Excellent!. Here’s what I e-mailed BTR several days ago (for some reason I’ve tried posting it here and it hasn’t worked…hope it works now):
“I am writing to let you know that your removal of A Voice for Men radio account shows how little you care for your customers and male victims of abuse and violence. Blog Talk Radio will now be known to hundreds of thousands around the world as the internet company that attempted to silence the men’s civil rights movement. Needless to say, I will never support your company in any way, and maybe time will show you the true cost of your disgraceful actions.”
Think back Paul. Think back to the days when it all seemed pointless, when we were contemplating throwing in the towel. I made a bet with you.
I should have made it for a whole lot more than a beer.
Look at what has happened since then. A radio show, soon to be the hub of a burgeoning media empire. A group of activists, soon to be the core of a burgeoning social movement. Political activism, soon to be the legal reforms necessary for the stabilization of society.
We have done all the things you outlined in the article, and a couple things you did not….
We have made politicians take note (in Canada, the PM’s office has announced they have finally revisted the Divorce Act (supposed to happen 10 years ago) and drastic changes are in the loop). We have shaken feminism to the point where feminists are finally openly questioning the Radical ideology. We have brought attention to injustice, and we have made it known that they will NOT get away with this shit anymore.
And already we are making a difference.
And all this, from a bunch of ‘basement dwelling bloggers’ who ‘do nothing but bitch and whine on the Internet’…
That beer better be cold…I’m just sayin’….
Like ice brother, like ice.
‘Dis beautiful.
WINNING!!!
This makes me happier than a bunch of dried up old cunts sitting around having a collective orgasm over the torture and genital mutilation of a man.
MRM. Fuck yeah.
Cheers to all the Brothers.
We will never forget http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk
I really, truly did jump in the air and say out loud ‘FUUUCK YEEEAA!” when I read this Paul!
Once more? ok… FFFUUUUUCK YEAAAH!!!!!
Hehehehehehe.
The battle was fun. Now bring on the war.
^5 YES!
I know it won’t mean much, but having read this article, I just wanted to thank Paul and all the dedicated contributors at AVfM, whose articles and comments I read on a daily basis, for your tireless efforts. I live in Japan, where the situation surrounding men is surprisingly similar to what has been portrayed at AVfM mainly in connection with the US/UK, and I know for sure that what is happening in the West as regards men’s rights, or more appropriately, the changes you people have brought about, will most definitely have an impact on men’s rights even in such remote parts of the world (physically and culturally) as Japan. If not in the next year, then may be the next decade, or the decade thereafter.
What you guys (and ladies) have accomplished moved me so much, I just couldn’t resist posting a comment. I apologize for this incoherent rant.
With sincere thanks.
I love seeing that Japanese flag flying on the page globe. Feminism is “the nothing” from the movie ‘The Never Ending Story’.
But we have had the power to save Fantasia, all along…
I had no idea the men in Japan had to tolerate feminist bs. Thank you for commenting. I hope all is returning to as close to normal as possible for you guys following the nuclear disaster.
The news about the program and all the coming improvements to aVfM was the best news I could hope to wake up to. Outstanding work Paul and contributers to aVfM!
Japan has a MGTOW movement, although they don’t call it that. They call them “herbivore men”.
Feminism has infected almost the whole world Hayden, we have to suffer it in South America as well. Sure, things haven’t gotten to the point you guys are on, but give or take 5-10 years and we’ll be fucked if something is not done about it.
What a brilliant woman Dingee-Kramer is. I’ll take one woman of reason over however many wimmin or manginas still in BTR as a sign of progress.
Btw, awesome graphic up top. Totally rad.
Firstly, to you and everyone at AVFM, awesome that it’s worked out.
To the complainer, and I quote, “LLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!”.
I raise my thumbs up high
Hey feminists…your fear is showing…
This is awesome news.
Right on.
Great news. As I have said many times – we have truth & time as our invincible allies, radical feminists will forever have such things on the other side of the fence – wherever they try and position it.
Congratulations!!! I was happy to see the article but the prospects of a Jessica Valenti special titillates! Aug.2nd can’t come fast enough for me.
Totally agree. The week can’t pass fast enough.
Paul are you going to send her an invite? I’m sure she will RSVP.
Awesome news!
“fall into a bucket of poop and come out of it smelling like a rose.” <– Did she really say poop? It would be pretty funny if she did. If AVFM message boards supported signatures, I'd be snagging this gem.
Great news! Congrats on getting the radio show back on!
Paul,
Is there any writing or research you need done for any upcoming shows?
@Paul…re Ghandi quote…
The quote itself probably began life in a union report as:
And, my friends, in this story you have a history of this entire movement. First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you. And that, is what is going to happen to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America.
- General Executive Board Report and Proceedings [of The] Biennial Convention, Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America, 1914.
The age of Political Correctness is on its last legs!!!
Failed socialist policies of multi-cult, environmentalism, feminism, homosexualism have produced nothing of lasting value. No matter how much the newest generation wants to ignore the past failures of such policies, they will constantly re-invent them under a new name (global warming, then climate change then…, gay rights, then gay marriage, then…, gender equality, then affirmative action, then VAWA, then…).
Which is why movements like the MRM are needed.
Simple statement: That is Fantastic Paul. AVFM Radio… forever!!!!
I gather you were grinning ear to ear when you received the good news.
This is great Paul. Have you an email for the woman you spoke to? Just as bad deeds deserve our scorn, good deeds should receive thanks. And from the detail of your conversation with her, it seems she has just acted as so many are programed to respond without thinking……..bad….but not exactly evil……and she seems to be more on our side then the other. I’d like to write her directly and thank her for her rethink and her following support.
I do however think that we should keep an alternative arrangement for the radio show in mind…and ready to launch if need be. You can bet your arse that the hate mail from the feminists will ramp up……and if they throw enough mud……some may stick. Lets not allow them the possibilty of even disrupting one single show if possible.
They have a little history if deletion of politically incorrect shows.
http://gto7.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/no-compromise-radio-is-back-on-the-air/
To be honest, without AVFM radio, i would not know BTR even exists. But without AVFM radio, why should i care?
My account is closed. I admit to a few off color adjectives.
No threats however.
I doubt I will get it back.
Oh well. I will have to open it under another name.
I like the sound of Lord Scatmaster.
What ya all think?
Grand Lord Empereror Scatmaster of the Interwebz
I like it.
I shall inform my minions all 2 of them.
Now where is that darn cat and dog?
@Paul…
Now, if Mary Jane Rottencrotch decides to falsely accuse her husband of domestic violence in order to get the upper hand in a divorce, we can publish all her personal information on the website, including her name, address, phone number…even her routes to and from work.
If it WAS Valenti complaining to BTR one needs to ponder WHY she so strongly identified with the message that she would feel threatened.
Simple. She felt she could get away with her male hating bigotry with impunity. Valenti is a foul smelling cunt (redundant I know) who should be brought up on charges in front of a human rights commission. Of course we know that is not what those organizations are for. It is pussy pass central.
@Paul
“Dingee-Kramer also shared with me that they had been getting a high volume of “hate mail” from fans of AVfM Radio.
People, that was not hate; that was your VOICE. And the world is starting to listen to it. I have absolutely no doubt – NONE – that you broadcasting your righteous outrage crushed the feminist lie and set us back on course.”
I totally agree.
And I think that it is true to say that most MRAs wish to high heaven that there was no need for verbal aggression and vitriol in this propaganda war – and that calm reasoned debate would be good enough – but the evidence is quite clear.
Without being prepared to create a fuss, we would get nowhere – always being outgunned by the volume of feminist-inspired and feminist-coordinated wailings and hysterics that are forever being pumped into the ether.
I have no doubt that all you people who emailed BTR on behalf of Paul got him back on the air.
Without those emails, BTR would have just let AVFM Radio go down the tubes without even thinking about the matter any further.
This shows us that we must be prepared to do the very same again if Paul is ever attacked.
If he needs our support, we MUST give it to him.
And you can certainly be assured that he will always use that support for the benefit of the MRM – which means that YOUR life will be improved.
Furthermore, I can also assure you that it is YOUR support that keeps Paul active.
It is YOUR support that gives him the energy and the enthusiaism for the work that he does.
And it is YOUR support that disheartens and disempowers the feminists.
In short, YOUR support is just about everything round here.
And, of course, please always remember that Paul cannot do all this stuff on his own.
So please don’t forget to dig into your dusty wallets so that we can also get him some decent hardware and software with which to fight against those who are continually stirring up hatred towards men.
@ Harry,
I am not sure if “Harry” is the same as “Angry Harry” but both Paul and you are so focused on the feminism tha you don’t dilute the message by going off focus.
It’s amazing what “Two Angry Men” can accomplish. It was not possible 30 some years ago when print reporters and editors ignored or insulted what now is known as MRM. Way back then it didn’t have clearly defined name or mission. Simply rtying to fight back with what we had.
Spot on as always, Harry. The foundation YOU laid years ago now has walls going up around it.
Plans for the roof and finish work are on the table. Every day there are more of us gathering, holding hammers and nails.
Couldn’t agree more Paul. Harry is a giant, on whose shoulders the rest of us stand.
the last few weeks we have seen some major, major strides forward, in activisim we have made a dent with cbs , more and more with every article i see we have voices, male and female challenging the accepted norm , now we have momentum we will see a growth in numbers that has been unseen so far, Gents its only the first few shots but we are very close to sinking a feminist battleship.
Great to hear!
TMOTS
OT: An car columnist gets lambasted by his readers over charges of sexism.
I love it.
http://autos.sympatico.ca/did-you-know/9091/fail-car-ads-that-wouldnt-work-today
haha the comments are almost all negative towards the columnist (with good reason). 2 or 3 years ago you would not have seen that sort of thing. Men and women are beginning to stand up against political correctness in vast numbers.
Right on! I’m so fucking inspired. I cannot even put it into words.
OT: I just watched a youtube video entitled “Men’s Rights Supporters Get Active,” and it got me thinking about what I can do individually to raise awareness of the MRM. I have done flyers, but I want to do something this time that is more difficult to ignore and gives me a chance to personally recruit MRAs. At this time, I exist on a very limited income due to being in school for a career change. However, I want high visibility. Some may find this silly, but I finally came up with replacing, within the next ninety days, every t-shirt I own with one that has a MRA slogan and information. I am going to start with a Chapin’s Inferno shirt and will have a NCFM.org shirt made, as I can’t find one for sale.
You are all an inspiring group of guys headed in the right direction.
And this is why I NEVER hesitate to report hate speech by feminist ideologues on news sites like The Globe and Mail. We can’t take the high road on this. If they are inciting hate, we need to use these tactics against them.
YEAAAAAAA HA!
FTSU!!!!!
Oh I suspect I have fixed the skype sound quality problem, we can do a 1/2 hour tech rehearsal when I get back to TX.We can use my ATT pre paid and the skype “gateway” as I suspect the skype gateway (IP to L2/L3 PSTN) to is far better than BTR’s.
Actually we can use any prepaid card as %99 of the calls are I/C.
Somewhere in America there’s a virulent Aussie MRA running loose.
Sorry fellow citizens, I couldn’t contain him either physically or in spirit.
If he starts talking to you about something called “men’s rights”, you will have no choice but to listen. Buy him a beer on me, I’ll pay you back.
He was in Texas, too, Keyster. And out of control even by Lone Star standards.
The man is a machine. When he comes back, I will buy him that be-ah.
Izzey’s doing the happy dance….on very big boat. (Must not fall…lol)
Wow, I was pissed off for only two days.
That’s a record for me.
lol
Good job.
T-shirt production will resume expeditiously.
Never underestimate the power of voice.
In this case….A Voice For Men.
See ya’s….I have a beautiful day to work. Blue skies, no humidity, calm waters.
…And good news from here, to put more pep in my step.
Happy Izzey
It used to be the case that any out-of-context quote could be used to destroy a man (the beauty of this is that it’s impossible to speak without saying something that’s ‘open’ to interpretation – they had us by the short hairs).
The fact that this tactic failed is a very, very good sign.
I bet manboobz is shitting bricks just about now
Alek…you know the ‘red thumb radar alert team’ will be over here, just because you said that.
lol
See you tonight.
LOL
“Look back on the things that have happened just at this website in the past year, from the New York Times to launching our own radio program, to BENEFITTING from the attacks on us.”
It’s ironic…..
Feminists always said we needed to “evolve”.
Now we have.
Ain’t evolution a bitch?
When they can not compete in the realm of ideas where reality and truth rule the day, they attempt to silence the opposition. They miscalculated the tenacity and drive possessed by the host and contributers at “A Voice for Men”. Men have stood silent for far too long hoping they could dodge the coming onslaught of feminist driven hatred of men. They were wrong to be silent (Myself Included) and now they refuse to remain silent any longer. The ideas shared here are not hate speech nor can they be labeled hate speech. If hate speech is stating the truth and calling bullshit on this broken thing men are punished by daily then I say yes, we hate you!! There is no middle ground for the persecuted, only the truth coupled with anger. If they don’t take action to stop this travesty then we will. The hatred of men by these fucking parasites will never again go unanswered. Thank you Paul and contributers for your bravery.
I must be getting old and cynical in my middle age.
I’m not so upbeat about this little back-step by BTR. Just a few points about this Dingee-Kramer and the article.
1. Is Dingee-Kramer her hyphenated maiden name or did she just “add” her husband’s name to her maiden name? (This would tell me a lot about her personality).
2. She is the director of customer relations AND operations. WTF? Director of Operations is vastly different than Director of Customer Relations, is it not?
3. “She offered what appeared to be a sincere apology”. Of course she did. She’s the Director of Customer Relations. She’s experienced at blowing sunshine up people’s asses.
4. “they were very short staffed when the complaint came in and that she made a decision spontaneously, without diligent investigation.” Well of course there was no investigation. There was a woman complaining about a bunch of men. There needs to be no investigation…….unless the roles were reversed.
5. “100% supportive of what we are doing there”. Bullshit! More sunshine up our collective asses.
6. “Dingee-Kramer also shared with me that they had been getting a high volume of “hate mail” from fans of AVfM Radio.” Oh really? Hate mail? Did she actually use the word hate? Here we go again with that word. Valid complaints from men is obviously nothing more than hate mail from a bunch of misguided misogynists.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in this apology and reinstatement. She’s just protecting her own ass. Too many complaints from anyone and I’ll bet it would reflect poorly on her next evaluation. Not to mention all those accounts being deactivated.
Translation: Increased complaints, decreased revenues = no raise, no promotion, new Director of Customer Relations and Operations.
Our movement is growing stronger and stronger each day. Paul, I realize it’s important for us to stay on the air for now. However I strongly suggest we move away from BTR and out on our own quickly. We don’t need to be supporting these corporate scumbags any longer than necessary.
Just my two cents.
Yeah, they were so short-staffed she couldn’t be bothered to take 10 seconds to send Paul a notification that his account was disabled and why. And taking the time to ask Paul to explain rather than immediately taking him off the air would have meant she’d have to stay till 4:05 PM instead of 4, which was out of the question. That’s dedication!
I personally don’t agree with that, friend.
All your points make sense, but I think Paul has developed a pretty good nose for sniffing out a disingenuous rat when he hears one. If he’s convinced this woman is on the level, so am I.
I also think it it would be a massive mistake to pull from BTR now that we’ve re-taken that ground from the enemy. In fact, I think it is critical that we remain there to plant newer & bigger flags to fly in the faces of our weak, mentally incompetent, cowardly & bigoted foes.
At the very least, its great to see a corporation blowing some sunshine up OUR asses for a change.
I respect that you disagree. In fact, I welcome it. Healthy debate keeps me sharp and thinking in new directions. However your point about pulling from BTR now……..I never said we should pull from BTR now. I said that we need to move out on our own quickly, but not now as I too believe it is important to stay on the air.
“Re-taken ground from the enemy”? My friend I respectfully disagree with this statement. Never fight your enemy on their turf. Too many advantages for them. And yes, I do believe BTR to be an enemy. They showed their hand too soon before all the chips were in.
How is that I agree with both your points of view.
I am sooooo confused.
That is because they are both absolutely correct.
I have gotten the same doublespeak every time I have made a complaint to a corporate entity, whether it was BTR or my cable company. It is just part of western life that absolute candor is off the table when dealing with corporations.
So we don’t sweat the small details, but as orry pointed out, we don’t let those details stray too far from our minds. We always have to be aware of who we are dealing with.
What I was left with when talking to Dingee-Kramer was that, after you brush away the obligatory corporate bullshit, there likely remained a pretty decent person.
And in the end I don’t care even about that. What we actually got was the restoration of our services and a QUOTABLE conversation in which they acknowledged responsibility and error.
Whether they were 84% genuine or 99% or 3%, they still corrected the mistake and handed the lying feminists a defeat on this one.
AVfM Radio 1 – Feminist Douche bags 0
Much like the TGMP thing, this type of ‘miscue’ is what grows our movement further, and sharpens our focus. Knowing the trap exists does not mean avoiding it is the ‘best’ outcome. Sometimes, it’s better to give your opponent the rope….er, I mean opportunity to walk the path their mouths laid down.
As in the TGMP situation, we have the choice to be ‘gracious’ and hear them out, and give them the benefit of the doubt, or we can take a petulant attitude, take our ball and bat, and go home. With TGMP, our participation outlined VERY clearly just how misandric and nefarious that site actually is. And we allowed THEM to prove it, rather than make the allegation ourselves…
As was the case then, now BTR has to live by their words, or PROVE their hypocrisy via their own actions. In short, they’ve been backed into a corner. Just like TGMP was.
And while I agree with orry that we should look to setting up our own ‘network’….there’s a LOT of value in the BTR setup and situation right now.
I’m just sayin’.
i agree with most of what you say paul but there is somthing to be said for where you were about to go and by that i mean you were about to be able to offer all of the other mens rights content out there a safe place to be seen un moderated by women/feminists i do hope this is still in the plan and that all this means is that you need an extra 2500$ or whatever the site hosting there cost you because i personally would still like it much better if you were on your own server and not subject to this kind of discrimination, but rather building into something bigger and better for the whole movement, what really stuck with me is when you search for mens rights content you find nothing and i wonder how many times someone got shut down because of 1 complaint when they were just starting up?
I hear you. We don’t yet have the funding for an actual private server or the technical labor to manage it. I know I could not do it.
We got a (very) sweet deal on the VPS, and we are always prepared, if need be, to move to a foreign server if necessary.
AVfM is not going away, no matter what happens.
thanks Paul. I thought I was having another one of those I am “stooopid” moments. Appreciate you clearing it up for me.
You’re merely stating the most likely “under-current” of the situation; obvious to most of us…probably not far off.
The real point is how Dr. Paul handles himself with these people. Articulate, astute and level headed. We need to really appreciate that. I couldn’t do it.
You are absolutely correct in that a rant filled tirade, something akin to Alex Jones style, would accomplish nothing. Losing one’s cool in this situation would simply play right into her hands as proof positive of hate speech.
I never thought for one second that Paul wouldn’t maintain a dignified and level headed conversation with Dingee-Kramer. You’re right, I, for one, do appreciate Paul’s articulate, astute and level headed demeanor in this situation. I think it would have been tough for any of us to show maximum restraint after what happened.
The real point is to not be fooled by politically correct double-speak from people looking to save their own ass. Don’t let BTR, or anyone else for that matter, play on our emotions. As men, we should all strive to do better that which comes naturally to us. That which is the ability to control our emotions and most certainly never act on them without logical, rational thinking first. Never has a good decision been made when feelings or emotions cloud one’s judgement.
“The real point is to not be fooled by politically correct double-speak from people looking to save their own ass.”
I don’t think anyone is anymore.
It’s become standard practice in the business world to have converstations in such a contrived, coded manner. This was all born out of women and minorities suing corporations and winning; financially awarded for complaining, by a “jury of their peers”.
You can’t just talk anymore in a job. Every word has to be carefully measured, and thought through for “insensitivity towards others”. That she said what she did, would be deemed highly inappropriate and sexist in any corporate environment, especially with a customer…(who might repeat it on his blog). Of course as a female she would easliy get a pass for this, unless they were looking for another reason to fire her. A male employee might have showed some contrition and empathy, but not that much!
Men in the work place are held to a far higher standard of politically correct speak than women. There’s not much a woman CAN’T say. There’s not much a man CAN say. Stressful and exhausting environment for guys.
Keyster,
You’re absolutely correct and I disagree with nothing in that reply.
Don’t forget that I recently switched from blue to red pill prescription. Therefore I still have a somewhat bitter blue taste in my mouth. You were right in that I was probably preaching to the choir on this board. I just wanted to vent a little bit about the all-too-common politically correct double-speak for all the newbie’s out there. I guess what I’m saying is don’t let women and their corporate fascist masters play on our emotional sense of justice.
I would like to add……I still don’t view this as much a victory for us as it is a selfish, non-loss for them. They disengaged from the battle. A forfeit if you will. If you want to call that a victory then by all means. But I’ll hold off on planting the flag for now.
Well put Keyster. This is why I’m incapable of being a spokesperson. I anger too quickly. I do personal activism with women I run into every day however.
Not cynical, just real.
Good news.
Damnit!
I was very very hurt and upset with that show because I thought you were talking about me!
(joke).
The funny thing is, THEY are listening to us.
WOW. This thing is really, really starting to snowball.
So damned happy about this I almost pissed myself.
Every MRA should have several email accounts from which to send comments and complaints.
Volume matters to marketing weenies. Big difference in impact between a dozen or so negative letters and a few hundred flooding an Inbox. Keep the verbage pithy and on point so it’s actually read, mix it up a little.
Remember this dissent from the feminist meme and objections to misandry, is a new experience to the Blue Pill World. They never knew it existed until now, because it just started to exist in greater numbers than ever before (and it’s not on TV). The more who speak out, the more who’ll listen.
We’re a thousand armys of one, the “Resistence”, and we’re having an effect.
with each day that passes we are making more and more headway and we need to keep our eyes on the prize I am proud to be an MRA , and im proud to be amoungst people like those here who belive in protecting everyone, who wants a better world for us and our kids.
“Righteous outrage” or “hate mail”? Assuming Dingee-Kramer is sincere, I’d like to know what she considered hate mail from MRA”s. Righteous outrage works particularly where it is reasonable but hate is likely to backfire on men just as feminist hate is backfiring on women. There need to be clean distinctions made between outrage and hate. People also need to be approached ASSUMING they are potential Dingee-Kramers until they prove themselves otherwise.
You’re over-analyzing it.
In context she defined “HATE” as hate mail AGAINST BTR.
Deemed “HATE” because MRA’s have a way of expressing themselves in a rather angry and sometimes offensive manner.
ANY criticism that’s worded in such a way or tone, as to make people uncomfortable is considered “HATE” or “HATE SPEECH”. She’s a corporate blue pill drone, nothing more sinister behind it.
If I’m in a meeting and I say, “This product idea fucking sucks balls!”, I will be a hateful person, that everyone will hate.
If I’m in a meeting and I say, “So, uhm, I’m not entirely sure our customers will go for this. Perhaps we need to do a little more research, right?.” I will be an astute corporate employee who’s sensitive to others feelings.
“So, uhm, I’m not entirely sure our customers will go for this. Perhaps we need to do a little more research, right?.” I will be an astute corporate employee who’s sensitive to others feelings.”
My standard formula for voicing objections is “We could do that. However, (insert measured words which indicate why the idea sucks here). But let’s put it back in the rock tumbler and take a fresh look at it later.”
I don’t know how much I’d read into that particular verbiage. I facetiously refer to angry emails as ‘hate mail’ all the time. I’m sure a lot of other people do too.
Don’t poke the bear, bitches.
I have looked at Ms. Valenti’s web site she is your typical garden variety feminist. In other words she wants all the credit for work she hasn’t done wants hazards duty pay for risk she hasn’t taken. She refuses open and honest debate by monitoring all comments that hold to a different point of view. She is nothing but another less than credible voice screaming to be heard I for one am ready to listen to the special on 2 August 2011.
I would doubt that Ms Dingee-Kramer would have been so sympathetic if BTR hadn’t received so much “hate mail” as she put it.
Just wanted to share something with all of you:
In brightest day
In blackest night
No feminist shall escape my sight
Let those who worship misandry’s might
Beware my power
Green MANterns light
On another note I personally think that feminists are really xenomorphs (the monsters from the Alien movies) dressed up as women.
HAha Hilarious quote from the BTR lady…
Nonetheless a wise man I’d suggest would still not put away the idea of this still being a further threat in the future.
It may have been a temporary convulsion… BUT
It wouldn’t hurt to prepare for this happening again in advance.
Funds may be limited, but a backup plan would still further.
I think it would be good to be immune to further mood swings.
I think it would be good to be immune to further mood swings.
And we all know about the wimmins and their lactating manginas mood swings.
It is already well-known that anti-abortion activists use the same tactics so that they can (and do) vandalize the personal property of women who received abortions or counseling, and doctors and nurses who perform said services. They also commit personal violence. By using the same doc-dropping tactics, AVFM is endorsing violence against women and encouraging it explicitly.
AVFM certainly deserves to be banned from BTR, as well as any sponsorship you receive.
The LAST thing AVfM would want is any harm whatsoever to come to someone who’s address is publicly exposed. On the contrary, if anyone were even to hint that they might exploit this knowledge to enact violence, it’s them that needs to fear AVfM.
Extreme dislike for the subject notwithstanding, we’re not in the violence business (or that of creating martyrs either). If these people are afraid, perhaps they should try being intellectually (and otherwise) honest for a change; because no matter where they are, we can still see right through them.
They do run from debate do they not?
Please drink more koolaid, you appear to have only achieved brain-death so far.
explicitly == flat out state
so, where’s quote of what you claim, you dick-ette?
p.s.
you argue like a woman: reference an unconnected (and quite possibly false) scenario, and then make up lies to link it to whatever you don’t like.
GFY
By using the same doc-dropping tactics, AVFM is endorsing violence against women and encouraging it explicitly.
register-her.com – NOT AVFM – is gathering together public domain information about individuals who have acted to harm others.
Is it your intent that abusive individuals who happen to be female should be guaranteed anonymity? Should their identities and knowledge of their actions be kept from an unsuspecting community?
Why do you extrapolate from outing miscreant women to violence against all women? Isn’t this somewhat hyperbolic?
You should note that political activists and lobbyists of all stripes use some common forms of action. This hardly means they share all traits. Your attempted connection of AVFM to the behaviour of proven violent extremists via such a trivial nexus is absurd.
@Aerik-
It is already well-known that anti-abortion activists use the same tactics so that they can (and do) vandalize the personal property of women who received abortions or counseling, and doctors and nurses who perform said services.
Many anti-abortion activists are WOMEN
They also commit personal violence.
Casey Anthony killed her daughter Caylee, and not only got away with it…she will be a millionaire for prostituting her story to the highest bidder.
Conjecture? My opinion? The overall public consensus?
Yes.
By using the same doc-dropping tactics, AVFM is endorsing violence against women and encouraging it explicitly.
Show me where? How? Who?
Back it up, Bitch.
Didn’t I tell you to “Fuck Off” on another thread?
Okay, I will say it nice-nice….
Please FUCK OFF.
Izzey (woman)
Our whole society encourages, and laughs at violence against men Aerik. BTW, most MRAs are not anti abortion protesters, and there is at least as many women protesting abortions as men.
Oh, one more thing……..fuck off.
Why are feminists so afraid of having all their personal information published? Aren’t they independent, empowered and brave? Why is everything a man does to shut feminists up, some how loosely connected to the threat of violence? Why are feminists so afraid of violence?
This kind of abstract fear reveals them to be cowards, hiding behind what has always been a weak ideological premise. Feminism is being exposed as a “hate movement” against men, and men are now angry about it. What did you expect?
@Mr XY I’ve been trying but having trouble posting this for a few days…anyway, in case no one noticed, it’s official, Sharon Osbourne is leaving “The Talk”….official BS reason: “to spend more time with Ozzy”.
I say….NOT ENOUGH CBS! NOT ENOUGH!”
I think I have just cum. Now we need to start asking her talent agency why they employ her! Then we need to go after the others on that show. Then we need to go after the ethos at CBS that allowed it to happen in the first place. AND we need to start asking their advertisers if THEY want to be associated with a company which allows hate to be broadcast against 50% of the population just to get viewing figures.
Osbourne going is NOT the end of the war at CBS, just one battle in it. To win this war with CBS and send a message right across commercial media land that we are not taking their shit any more, we need to force a re-think at the company and go on hurting the bastards until we have.
As for Shannon Dingee-Kramer, the director of customer relations and operations for BlogTalk Radio. She needs to stop kneee jerking her way through life for fear of “offending” someone. She also needs to come and hear the OTHER side of a story before she makes radical descisions like pulling someone off the air who has PAID HER to be there. We are talking about adult, mature, thinking customers here, not naughty children in her kitchen at home!
No wonder feminists want women in business!
No wonder feminists want women in business!
S truth and sounds like an article to me.
A radio station with a relatively microscopic listenership is back on the air. This doesn’t mean that “The age of Political Correctness is on its last legs!!!”.
One (that is ONE) feminist has complained about this site – and this is lauded as a victory?
Meanwhile, the backslapping continues and the opportunity is missed. Whilst Harry and many others take pride in issuing “hate mail”, the receivers and witnesses of these angry messages will look at the writers with contempt and/or amused contempt.
People, please have a reality check – yes, all movements start off very slow – but this one is so ferocious as to be cannabilistic – and the constant claims of victory are embarrassing. I’m being frank here, but the delusions of grandeur are bizarre.
And BTW, snipe all you like. I know that some MRAs agree with me and that some wish this potentially brilliant platform for change was different.
Clearly those guys have no fucking spine.
“Delusions of grandeur”,my hairy ass.
If you can do better, then go do it.
If you can’t,then shut the fuck up and let everyone here enjoy themselves. MRA’s have only had something to celebrate in the last 2 years or so. It isn’t “bizarre” at all to find them doing so now, after years of being shit on by everybody .
My response to you? WTF is your problem? Are you like stupid or sumptin’?
What you are seeing here is men who are used to NO victories taking a moment to enjoy what is for us, something pretty significant.
It is a good moment, and if the celebration gets a little exuberant, so be it.
Are you not smart enough to see that this is not grandiosity but the necessary components of building esprit de corps?
Do you, in all your self aggrandizing bullshit, even understand what esprit de corps is and why it is so important?
I bet you that after the underground railroad freed the very first slave in America that the people doing it celebrated wildly. And I am sure they were aware that there were countless other slaves still indentured and suffering.
And you would deny them that?
This is not sniping at you. This is just a little effort to point out to you that whatever stick is up your ass about a few badly needed high fives in a group of activists that are always out numbered and out gunned is not something you should be pissing on.
True, we have a long way to go. And many larger battles to fight, but if you think you are actually helping us get there by playing the bitter old man in the corner of the party, perhaps you should wake the fuck up and grab yourself a cup of coffee.
Or, if you prefer, a bottle of sleeping pills.
Also, one other thing, asswipe. The naysayers round here all have one thing in common…temporary usernames designed to allow them to hide.
And you need one of those if you want to come here and disrespect Harry.
This “potentially brilliant platform” would not be here without that man.
So piss off, brother. Come back when you are ready to become a part of the growing solution, not just another malcontent ready to piss in everyone’s cheerios.
“so ferocious as to be cannabilistic – and the constant claims of victory are embarrassing”
Do you even understand the words you write?
Explain to me how we are, or will become, cannibalistic as our movement grows?
What constant claims of victory? Please provide proof instead of driveling pablum.
Delusions of grandeur? Do you even know what that means? Let me help you. Delusions of grandeur is defined as “delusional conviction of one’s own importance, power, or knowledge or that one is, or has a special relationship with, a deity or a famous person”. Otherwise known as narcissism, and severe narcissism at that. I don’t see delusions of grandeur anywhere on this site. And no, I don’t believe Paul or anybody else posting here has any delusional conviction.
Conviction in our beliefs – Yes. Delusional conviction – No!
Congratulations to all involved in the successful re-establishment of AVfM Radio on BTR!
@AnonymousFriend
“Whilst Harry and many others take pride in issuing “hate mail”,”
No pride at all. It really annoys me that we have to resort to such tactics. In fact, it outrages me that we need to do so.
It shouldn’t have to be like this.
“yes, all movements start off very slow – but this one is so ferocious as to be cannabilistic – ”
Neither Paul nor I nor the MRAs round here are the Men’s Movement.
We are just a tiny part of it. There are thousands of MRAs round the world who remain polite and courteous in their dealings with the opposition. And thousands of MRAs who disapprove of our tactics.
The reason that you don’t hear much about them is because they can’t be heard!
I recommend my piece, …
http://www.angryharry.com/esgeneratingheat.htm
Exactly Sir Harry,
…and thank you “Anon Friend” for managing to legitemize AVfM even further by bothering to comment on our progress. You see that’s the whole point.
This activity is beneath your self-righteous little perch I suppose, but not quite enough to believe you shouldn’t take some of your precious time to criticize it.
I get it. You’re so “informed”, self-absorbed in your own wisdom and your merely providing a service to wake the minions up from their childish delusions.
Oh and FUCK-OFF!
I agree that this is a little victory. But I also agree that it wouldn’t be a victory at all if all they received was a few nice polite well mannered emails respectfully requesting that AFfM be reinstated. It’s just too easy to ignore. We have to shoot for an emotional response in people……and if fear or shame or whatever is the emotion that gets us heard….use it.
:^D
Definitely a “schadenfreude-gasm.”
That is all.
Oh, and when do you want me back on the air, Paul? I’m back from hols in 2 days and am ready and raring to go. I’d like to do a show on our so-called rape culture and false allegations used to gain the upper hand in divorce. Seems fitting.
Thanks, T. Gimme a shout when you get back.
On the note of Friday Feminist Fuck You, would it be appropriate to tweet the contents of her tweet as a kind of Fuck You Feminist Friday?
lol
Sounds good to me.
I just did a Google search on the name: Jessica Valenti. Being placed on the offender’s registry (register-her.com) did not come up until page 4.
How might we get that moved closer to page 1?
Any ideas?
It’s easy. A bunch of blogs just need to link to that page. The more that do, the sooner it will get to page 1.
Though technically, that’s gaming the system if done on purpose and in an organized fashion. Google has anti-gaming detection systems and will detect if someone is trying to prop up a page un-naturally by getting too many links out of nowhere, and quick, and then nothing.
It’s much better to just let it rise naturally, and AVFM will just keep mentioning the page more and more in the future.
Indeed we will.
Fuckin’ A!