During the recent flurry of activity around the debate, which will thankfully end in two days, JtO and I have scheduled a vigorous round of activism regarding CafeMom and the pro-misandry, pro-violence, pro-sexual mutilation blogging in that forum. We will be following through with that beginning on Sunday.
But as times would have it, we have come upon an even more egregious example of bigotry from another feminist blogger. In fact, this one makes Nicole Fabian-Weber quickly pale into insignificance (though we are not done with her).
Some of you have undoubtedly already heard of what is going on at a blog called Radfem Hub, a Radical Feminist Collective Blog. Up on that site right now, by a writer calling herself Vliet Tiptree, is nothing less than a fledgling manifesto calling for extermination of half the human race; the male half, that is. Oh, and she has a plan. A real plan.
I am linking you to the blog post here (read it very carefully), but the short of it is that Tiptree is advocating premeditated and orchestrated violent destruction of men and boys in purely Hitleresque fashion. In her call to action, she seeks “resolution” as compared to the better known term “final solution.” She, and I must admit with some skill, skirts around specifics that would justify her immediate arrest for conspiracy, but the intent is more than crystal clear.
After taking her readers through accounts of what she cites as justifiable criminal acts by women in the name of suffrage, and invoking the extremes in rationale of ideologues like Sheila Jeffrys, she lays down a significant bombshell. To wit:
Our Emphasis on Fundamental Change. We have moved beyond palliation (negotiation, mediation, reform, compromise, engagement with the System) to exploring effective means of extirpating male pathology, including being open to biological explanations and treatment of such psychopathy. We are concerned with the overall structure of male oppression. We are open to going wherever the evidence and experience lead us.
And then she closes the diatribe with this particular nugget
As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification. I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy.
Apparently her writing had the intended effect. Take a look at this comment that appeared under her post. And you might want to look at the others as well.
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Also, another feminist blogger has taken a liking to her virulent message. She goes by Sargasso Sea, and has a blog bearing the interesting name, Radical Resolution.
The comments on her blog are equally riddled with sadistic, pro-violence sentiments. Even more, it is clear from the ideas expressed in her post that she has intentions to network this through the internet with other radicals of similar mentality and to exploit their connections to feminist ideologues already placed within the standing establishment power structure. In short, this is, while quite insane, laid out within a strategic plan. There is nothing satirical about it.
The time for analysis of this growing problem is over and the time to take serious action on it commences immediately. Therefore, AVfM is now offering a $1,000.00 cash award (or donate it to the charity of your choice) to whoever can provide us with verifiable information of Vliet Tiptrees real identity, including her name, residential address, place and address of employment, name of spouse if applicable, and images and any other information that may be used to bring her identity and location into public view.
Those seeking to claim the reward will be aware that Vliet Tiptree’s real world identity and all available personal information will be posted to this site and otherwise distributed on the internet. Additionally, AVfM will print posters that contain real her name, image, online identity, quotes and the factual declaration that she is a threat to her community. We will also work with other MRA’s close enough to her location to distribute those posters directly in her residential neighborhood and at her place of employment if applicable.
If no MRA’s are available in her area, we will travel wherever she is to execute the plan.
In order to support this effort we are asking MRA’s for pledges of financial backing. What that essentially means is if you want to support this effort, just post that here, or email me with the specific dollar amount of your pledge. We will only call in those pledges if and when we confirm that information received is accurate and valid. I am not comfortable committing funds already donated to this site for general operations, so I will personally incur any expense on this that is not defrayed by specified pledges.
Regardless of the level of backing, AVfM is going through with this effort.
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You can also submit a complaint for incitement of violence on that site as well. You can do so at
http://en.wordpress.com/abuse/
I have already done so.
Great idea, everyone vote up Berkimer’s comment so it gets highlighted, we all need to do this.
Done.
Done.
done
Done. However, it bugs me that in the guidelines, WordPress demands we try to resolve this issue on our own.
“Please mistress, take down your calls for genetically-targeted warfare. Thanks in advance.”
I see what you mean, but you have to appreciate, WordPress consists of a handful of geeks making (mostly) freely available software with the dream of improving the way people express themselves online. They don’t have the desire or staff resources to resolve every dispute. They’re computer dorks.
Done, and I catagorized this as “Call to violence”.
Done.
Done.
Refer enquiring minds to the comments section of this article if you are ever called upon to explain what you mean by, “Feminists are Batshit Crazy”.
Do we really want to see that blog taken down (or modified) so quickly? Shouldn’t we let it stay up for a good little while in order to study it thoroughly and let plenty of people read it?
Done.
Done!
Sent.
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/a-pivsters-guide-to-radical-feminism-and-man-hate/?from=puff&pos=2&referrer=home
I put this up as a “disempowered womyn who are so indoctrinated with patriarchal propaganda” Paul there are a dozen articles could be written about this man and his ideas. His name is Michael Horowitz and he is a teacher (probably in gender studies). I make no further comment. Please try not to vomit when you read this.
UPDATE: A radfem user has responded to this post – and interestingly, it’s a he. Michael Horowitz (who says he posts on the site under a pseudonym) had this to say – please read, it’s quite interesting. I can’t vouch for who Michael is, but have spoken to him and he
appears to genuinely believe the following:
As a user of RadFem I often see posts crop up claiming that our womyn only poster policy is sexist and discriminatory. I’d like to get that out of the way as quickly as possible by stating that as feminists whose base of operations is the internet, we see a lot of ‘trolls’ coming in and posting insensitive posts that
disagree with our articles. It’s actually very puzzling as to just how many of internet users seems to be trolls, I was talking to the admin earlier and she stated that for every comment published, she deletes 10. So,
effectively, 90% of our userbase is misogynistic male trolls, or disempowered womyn who are so indoctrinated with patriarchal propaganda that they don’t realise that they effectively are us, and we are acting for their interests as well as ours.
(I should point out that although I am male, I realise that my gender is a disgusting corruption of capitalism and the global trend in this area needs significant reformation).
Perhaps this is why your article seems to have stirred up controversy on our website is that you seem to be one of these indoctrinated, self-loathing womyn, although your tendency to denounce your opposition as ‘misogynist’ when we met on the phone makes me think that this is perhaps not so accurate.
I’ll commence with the issue of PIV. Now, PIV is inherently male-dominated as the sheer act of penetration is mental and emotional dominance. We assert that it is literally impossible for a womyn to feel emotionally inclined in a positive manner to undertake PIV, and as such, this correlates with our understanding that 80% of first sexual encounters between a womyn and a man are rapes.
Furthermore, the emotional bond that develops during
and after PIV is intricately related to that of Stockholm
Syndrome, and our scientific studies in this area by
polling our comment-worthy userbase has asserted that 85% of all womyn in a marriage are raped every single time they have PIV.
I’ll use a comment from Linda to effectively underline our position:
I like the Mosuo tradition of a “walking marriage” which
basically means a woman can decide to have sex one night for whatever reason, and so dude is invited over but then has to return to his own family abode right afterwards. Then any children from these arrangements remain in her extended family unit and are parented collectively by all family members. The dude lives within his own extended family unit and takes on the role of “social fatherhood” to any children born from his sisters, aunts, mother etc. Women control the resources. Men drift around on the fringes
of the society, not doing much, but they also have no power and control, hence no violence. Last I heard though, these traditions are being eroded away due to the advance of capitalism, information technology etc.
I dared to suggest to a class of students the other week, that PIV is mandatory for straight women, and I was shouted down and laughed at. So then I asked if it’s ok for a woman to be partner/married to a man in the usual sense but never have PIV sex, and I got the exact same reaction. The cognitive dissonance on this subject is astounding. This position is a result of an inherent gender bias that permeates all life on Earth. It is literally impossible to eradicate this gender bias as nature itself is sexist and discriminatory against womyn.
All scientific evidence points to the fact that in a
matriachial society, a peaceful egalitarian utopia is
achieved. This is shown throughout history. However,
due to the inherent sexism of nature, the physical
strength of womyn is undermined in an attempt to
limit our power. Hence, we have determined that an
approximate male to female ratio in this ideal
society is 1:4, or a demographic of 80% female.
However, with the current population boom being the result of men not being able to stop raping people every day, the only way we feel this can be achieved is a systematic culling of firstly, the undesirable men, such as the lowest classes, as well as the highest classes, as these Wall-Street types are the most inherently misogynist.
The lowest class have no wealth to contribute and hence serve no purpose. We have determined that on a wealth scale, the men in the 70-90% most rich in the Western World must be the only to survive.
Men must work for wealth and this wealth must be paid directly to the female who takes care of his child. We feel that a sexist attitude is implicated by the mere notion of fatherhood, so the father cannot see the child, so that it can be raised in an objective manner. We determine that men must be held in male-only communities, or camps, and be let out only to work
and to fulfill the sexual needs of womyn.
As you can see, this utopian society is ideal for the womyn, which is why it is puzzling as to how many comments we must delete by people claiming to be womyn, saying that our ideals are flawed.
They argue about equality or something to that effect,
but the underlying notion is, equality for the children
can only be achieved by the means described above. Men’s tendency to lord it over with all the wealth must be eliminated so that womyn are not discriminated against and can hold all the top positions.
Does that male-feminist dork over there – also not know that all matriarchal societies have in common that they’re stuck in the stone-ages and never prosper beyond them? He thinks matriarchy would be a utopia? lol…
We don’t agree in the Game debate (which I stepped out of), but I agree 100% with what you wrote here.
Did you read J.D Unwin ‘Sex and Culture’?
I can’t believe this shit is for real. It has to be a troll forgodsakes. Seriously, it better be a troll.
Maybe better it not be a troll.
Then we get to see the eventual results of how one main already questionable idea can morph into many more bad ones.
This is so absouletly bonkers, it’s hard to believe it’s not a joke. All money made by men goes directly to women? A woman loving a man is Stockholm syndrome? Camps? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Well there you go, an example of the kind of thinking that gets people gassed in death camps eventually. Got to wonder why this stuff,(socially viable hate movements), gets big financial support from corporations,government and so-called charities. But then again, the rich and powerful of the western world, tended to love Hitler too, so, I hear did many women. Which, by the way is the reason men often become tyrannical in the first place: female approval, women demand alpha’s and alpha’s become conquering totalitarians when they achieve great power, because of biology and because it’s all that most women respect.
This female biologically driven conclusion is then culturally ingrained into society itself. But I notice, not even the merest consideration of female agency in the ills of the world, from these bigots,(very telling), even though, it’s every bit as much to blame, as male agency is and possibly even more so. Is the old cycle beginning anew and who are the agitators, really?
“(I should point out that although I am male, I realise that my gender is a disgusting corruption of capitalism and the global trend in this area needs significant reformation).”
Too late, Bev, that is where I lost my pizza, lol
That’s probably going to be really hard because it was posted by someone else
The only way to get her identity would be if that FCM chick gave up her email address or something
It may be easier to find the identity to the comments who are just as damning as she is.
Well, if it comes down to it, I will find a PI to get the job done. We’ll have to figure in hacker expenses.
I found an email addy on her, but it is hotmail
vlietpoetry@hotmail.com
Has anyone called the FBI on her? Even if they can’t arrest her they can put her on watch lists, no-fly lists, etc. Plus, since she has a blog and an email address they should have no problem tracking her down.
I haven’t eaten yet. Now, I don’t think I will.
Bev’s find would be sicken only for the idiocy it contains without suggesting a “final solution” for men.
Paul screw the PI, this is a job for a lawyer. And, frankly the pay out for AVfM would blow your mind.
How would you like an extra $10,000/month for a year?
Wait, it gets better. Paid by the very people spreading hatred.
Richard Warman, of Ottawa has successfully filed several complaints under the Canadian Human Rights Commission to the tune of several thousand dollars per judgement. These people are openly suggesting the enslavement and/or eradication of 3.5 billion people based on genotype. They are no better than someone suggesting the cure to America’s financial woes would be the re-enslavement of blacks(with a selective “cull” of undesirables of course). The only difference is the target of the particular bigot.
I despise the CHRC. Did you notice that most of the complaints are about women, minorities and gays? This is who the CHRC was made for and I don’t see them squashing women on behalf of men anytime soon.
BTW, this is an example of a self perpetuating bureaucracy. They had a 100% conviction rate up until they tried to take on Ezra Levant
http://ezralevant.com/
I guess using it against te womynz will help speed up its demise.
Here is another Canadian court case:
http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2011/11/victory-in-canada.html
Also good news.
The more I see them use the word “Patriarchy” the more obvious it is that they have no idea what the word means.
It’s like they define it as: “Everything bad in society”
“Patriarchy”, in feminist lingo= An individual males self determination. For example: My ability to decide what to wear, what to go to school for, who to vote for, what to do with the fruits of my labor, if I want to date/marry, who I want to date/marry, if I want to have kid’s etc.
That is the “evil” Patriarchy according to feminist’s.
That is why feminism in it’s totality, is nothing more then a female supremacist hate movement.
“This blight has many names: the Patriarchal System, Misogyny, Male Supremacy, Women’s Subjugation. I just call it the System at the moment.
I also have this: the conviction, based on all that I am, that the System can be eradicated.”
– She don’t realize this part yet, but so shall she be too. How do you tell someone that they’re sawing the branch they’re perched upon?
“We have moved beyond palliation [conceal or cloak; to lessen the pain or severity of without curing; to make appear less serious] (negotiation, mediation, reform, compromise, engagement with the System) to exploring effective means of extirpating [exterminate; completely remove] male pathology, including being open to biological explanations and treatment of such psychopathy….”
– She’s/they’re already an intregal part of the system she sees needing of annihilation, unless, ‘moved beyond’ constitutes supremacy beyond agency.
‘Biological explanations and treatments’ = relying upon men to do this.
“Pathology’: as observed pathologically.
Etc., and onward…
Every uttered sentense by S/He/it can be examined and later identified as crank from the start thereon and dismissed as such. And chances are it likely will be as same by federal agencies. Yet with that scum-hag Solanis walking free with only a mild paddling one expects the root-puller Tiptree to receive a similar juvenille-like punishment.
Meantime, let’s hope the story and paparazzi fee is returned to AVfM by the outing sleuth having social conscience. The court of public opinion may be just the thing to begin a prolonged hearing and rightful penance.
They’re welcome to misunderstand words and act like general morons. What they can’t do with impunity is start a private murder club.
Rely? I still wonder about the smiley face serial killings. All near rad fem controlled schools, with the local police and FBI going out of their way to cover it up..
Still makes me wonder…
Maybe it’s time to bring this back:
http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2008/05/open-season-seriel-killing-of-men.html
The thing about their plan is that is it such a gargantuan effort. They are so extremely one sided, that any movement further in their direction of choice would take such extreme effort, that there is simply no way they can achieve anything they want.
They are going to GMO our foods to what? Reduce our sperm count? They’ve already done that. We’re still here.
They want to put men in prisons to an extraordinary preponderance of degree? They have already done that, we are still here.
They want to pass laws outlawing masculinity and male consciousness? They have already done that, we are still here.
They want to turn society into a gynocentric nightmare matrix? They’ve already done that, we are still here!
The point is there plan doesn’t lead anywhere. They may even accomplish everything they set out to do, break their backs and actually achieve their extreme goals. But you know what is going to happen?
We are still going to be around. It would only take 1 man, to over come a world of women. Just one.
They are bound to fail, because in the end strength overcomes weakness.
I’m just trying to encourage, here. I do recognize the need to oppose these people, tirelessly turn against them and resolve oneself to dismounting them from any kind of power. This must be done. Men must show up now for the only real war there is. Nonetheless keep in mind our enemies are the losers forever.
Honestly, I am not so sure. There is already a built in feminist influence most of the halls of power. But even beside the point, the fact that they are even trying to is enough to justify some serious effort in taking them down.
Defiantly. We must turn against them. But i’m sure that they will loose. Probably because we are going to stop them. But their own toxicity, will also destroy them. Nonetheless I agree, lets spare them and everyone else the slow freeze, and put them on ice right away, however we can.
The best way is to continue to do what we are doing, the MRM. This is more than just idle chit chat on the computer. What we are doing is creating a group mind, a force in the world, which does influence it. And it is good that you bring these things up.
Put them on ice? More like, utterly disintegrate them.
”It would only take 1 man, to over come a world of women. Just one.”
Oh my God that’s just so good, I’m going to be using that frequently from now on, in fact I may adopt that as my personal motto.
Wow, I had no idea there were “women” out there like that! This site is an eye opener, for sure.
I am shocked at these people (term used loosely) advocating murdering their babies at birth. And being so gleeful about it.
Disgusting. I’m not sure I’ll sleep well tonight.
Thanks for your site.
(p.s. is it okay to comment here as a woman?)
Yup
and I’ll have to bookmark it for future reference
just for the Feminists who claim that they’re not anti-male
Of course. Most would welcome you
Just don’t throw it out there like “Look at me! I’m a Woman!”
Welcome, and we have no problem with women here, just misandrists, whether they are male or female.
Zookie , contrary to what you might have hear women are more than welcome here , every voice gives weight, gives voracity to what we are fighting for.
Welcome Zookie
Zookie, you can check out the “women” page on the top. It lists many male-friendly women.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/womens-voice/
Welcome Zookie
Thanks everyone! I appreciate it
I wish everyone seasons greetings. We are going fishing/exploring for 3 months. The patrol is serviced the caravan(off road) is hitched up and the boat is loaded. We are going bush. As we will be off the beaten track we will be off the “Grid” mostly except when we are at our daughter’s for xmas. Back in Feburary.
Have a fantastic time, Bev. We’ll keep the light on for you.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you Bev.
Happy fishing.
Well, it took about 45 minutes before someone pledged the $1,000.00 to locate this bitch.
Damn, I love this place.
I just sent $50 before I read this. Oh well, add this to $1000 if you’d like, or just use it for general site funds. Of course, if you want to start a fund for a reward to find the ID of factcheckme (the hatemonger calling for male infanticide) that would be excellent too.
For anyone with ears to hear, please take note of the word “androgens” in the protagonist’s plea for male “modification”.
The particular andrgen this woman has in mind is testosterone, and she is following the myth that testosterone poisons all males and forces them to evil acts against women and planet- hence her justification for modifying males.
As part of our military training for engaging this particular enemy I recommend that everyone first brush up on the real, scientifically validated function of testosterone. You can brush up here: http://testosteronetrouble.blogspot.com/ (the author is one of the world’s leading biologists)
Arm yourselves with the facts before proceding.
With all respect Tawil, we do not need to assure ourselves that testosterone is not a poison in order to defend ourselves. Our right to defend ourselves is due to the fact we are human and that we exist. Even if testosterone were a radioactive substance fatal to women, it would still be no argument for this insane ‘extirpation’ talk – as soon as one enters on this amoral line of thinking, the ‘extirpation of women’ would just as easily answer that particular dilemma. Ultimately women too are human and exist. Neither of us need to answer for our biological heritage. But crazy people with mass-murder in mind definitely need to answer for their deranged thinking before they hurt somebody.
Valid points Mongo, we are human and we have the right to protect ourselves regardless of our androgenic inheritance.
“But crazy people with mass-murder in mind definitely need to answer for their deranged thinking before they hurt somebody.”
Exactly my point, and is why you missed intention of the link I posted….. you might appreciate after reading the material- it shows that the understanding of testosterone’s function held by most people, even by some biologists, invites misandry and my contention is that by demonstrating the false premises we gain moral superiority in the fight. It is on such wrong premises that the Vliet Tiptrees of this world can more easily perpetuate hate. Unfortunately the premises (or deranged thinking as you call it) upon which she builds her case are the same false premises held by many in the MRM- that testosterone causes aggression, competition and violence. This in fact is incorrect, and she needs to answer for it.
I doubt Jews would have argued with Nazis over the claim that their genes were inferior. Some arguments simply must not be engaged in – as soon as you enter into them, they gain a kind of acceptance.
A case for the ‘extirpation’ of half the human race does not need to be debated.
Yep, testosterone has grown to be a “catch-all-negative-term” thrown around for everything and anything. Most people using it don’t even understand it.
Well, I found this:
http://www.myfreeemailsearch.com/search/reverse.asp?email=vlietpoetry@hotmail.com
It looks legit, but I don’t know if I want to sign up for their service to find out…
I’ll sign up for their service if you want. Also, I don’t care about the reward.
I’m trying to find it Via the copyright on the site but the search function on the registration office kinda sucks
http://www.copyright.gov/records/
Just updating to share attack strategies~
There is a number that I’ll call tomorrow to ask the copyright office for help tomorrow
We need someone with a shell account and patience to get a packet sniffer going so we can get IP’s.
Email Address: vlietpoetry@hotmail.com
Name: Unlisted
Location: Redmond, WA
IP Address: 212.162.1.124
Social Networks: No member records found
Public Records: No instances found
Web Results: No instances found
Nothing in that report Sorry.
That IP is strange. It’s located in Frankfurt, Germany and the ISP is Level 3. I wonder if it’s a proxy- nevermind it’s a Hotmail server.
This information might be useful in finding her too:
She grew up in East LA during the 70′s, so she’s at least 40 years old and she has poetry about menopause so she’s probably in her 60′s
She has worked for the government
She has worked at Universities
it SHOULD be possible to find her
I wish I were more buddy-buddy with the “Anonymous” peeps…
Name: Laura C Vandervliet
Location:Redmond, WA
Age: 62
Relatives: Chris, Daniel, Jean
That’s the result I get with “vliet poetry” in Redmond, Washington.
I don’t know how accurate that information is, though.
Muk, or anyone else, if you can cross check the information with your own investigation and we come up with the same result, then that would be our psycho feminist target.
We might just have this bitch…
It’s not unlikely that she could have moved to Washington from California…
I’m trying to look her up in relation to feminism, poetry or novels but so far nothing.
Does the government disclose the names of it’s employees?
How about universities?
I’ll do more searching later…
I got this from a google search result of the radfem forum:
Apr 2011 – Hi, I’m a woman writer and ex-lawyer from the West Coast, 60ish, … I chose Vliet because it means “Flow” or flowing like a river in Dutch, … Maybe I should have just used my usual poetry monicker, … Courage to be is the key to the revelatory power of the feminist revolution (Mary Daly)
I can’t enter the forum without an account to get the full read but it’s useful information.
The Tiptree is a reference to the pseudonym James Tiptree Jr. who is a female poet.
Boo~
If “vliet” isn’t part of her name
then we might have the wrong person…
Maybe not, but I’m searching for something to indicate if vandervliet has a history in law, civil rights or affirmative action. So far not much.
The 60ish matches up.
I thought we had her too. The Number 1 name Yahoo throws up in relation to Laura C Vandervliet is a professional cat groomer…..
I’m getting her address and criminal record now.
The vlietpoetry@hotmail.com address shows that she’s in Redmond, WA – but that could be wrong.
So….. Regardless, we’ll know all about her soon enough.
I added this to the Radfem post, doubt it will get through “comment moderation” -
Ladies , pick a state any state, ask Obama for it and some start up funds (he will happily oblige, or your Australian sisters could ask Julia Guillard the Australian prime mistress she will probably give you Tasmania- it has a moat around it to isolate you from the patriachy ) , expel all the testosterone poisioned men and boys, and be happy fucking yourselves. Hope your technology can evolve female only reproduction before you become extinct, if so good luck sustaining and defending your utopia.
Oh by the way Vliet Tiptree if you have the moral courage of your convictions , tell us who you really are and were you can be contacted directly. My name is Dr Greg Canning and you can contact me here rper1959@gmail.com”
Happy to contribute funds to your efforts her Paul and JTO .
You should not have told them your name. These women have a proven record of cruelty and violence.
Thanks for your concern but I have been desensitised by 12 years of my malicious ex’s state sanctioned “cruelty and violence”, to the point of not giving a shit. If radfem want to come after me personally in any way, so be it, might get some mainstream media attention as a result, and that may be a good thing.
I agree with Antz! not a good idea.
If they email you, you can find their IP address quite quickly and be able to locate them from that.
Raving, foaming and mad as hatters. That is really all I can say, because I’m left somewhat speechless here.
As a member of the male gender, I actually went over my life and I couldn’t find one single thing that I have ever done to anyone, that could justify such hatred and disgust as disclosed in the article and the answers.
I did however find a multitude of examples of the opposite.
Are these people projecting their inner selves? Because it screams to me, that this is what is happening here.
This is the kind of stuff that usually gets people confined to straightjackets in small rooms with padded walls, and classical music over the speakers.
While reading the Blog (i.e. at Radfem Hub) I felt a shiver run down my spine. I can imagine it was a similar experience to someone reading the book “Mein Kampf” (i.e. My Struggle) by Adolf Hitler before he came to power. in Germany.
I’m sure that people (in the 1920′s and 30′s) dismissed Hitler as just another “radical” and someone who could never come to power and implement his terrifying ideas. Unfortunately, this wasn’t the case.
We need to be forever vigilant of radicals and expose their hatred to the world. History teaches us that evil is often cloaked in a non malevolent disguise but people of good conscience often discover that too late.
Let’s not make that mistake.
Holy shit:
A guy goes to sleep and wakes up to this.
I love MRA’S!!!!!!
A little off-topic but funny, I was trolling their blog, and found this:
http://radicalhub.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/presumed-innocent-only-if-youre-male/
BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHA
These radfems actually believe that courts hand out dick-passes
That it is men who are defended and the poor wimminz villified and presumed guilty first 
That’s so funny…
I found this brochure too:
http://radicalhub.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/brochurescreen2.png
“If women no longer performed sexual labor for free” – “the whole system would come crashing down”
WTF?
Do they not realize that by describing women’s sexual lives as “women having sex for free” – that they are saying that all women are prostitutes 
The whole system would break apart “if all women stopped having sex for free?”
BWAHAHHAHA – maaan these bitches is dam funny…
No miss radfem, men would just invent sex-robots to replace your fat ass
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it feminists that made the law in Sweden that prostitution is legal….for the hooker…..but men who use them are criminals. Is it not also them that are attempting to distroy the sex industry, porn, strip clubs, etc. So they are apparenty against a women being paid, and against them not being paid……that figures…..that means they are actually against all hetrosexual sex……..tell me something I didn’t know
Feminists have never been against prostitution – they’re only against cheap prostitution
They hate street prostitution the most and pursue it the most since it lowers the market price of pussy.
Vaginamony is a form of prostitution – you’re paying for past use of a pussy.
Extremely broad rape definitions are a form of punishing men for not paying enough. “He fucked me but didn’t give me a relationship or a car, off to jail, he didn’t pay enough”
Feminists are also agains prostitution if they’re not good looking enough for the sexual market place (or unwilling to engage in it).
“Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it feminists that made the law in Sweden that prostitution is legal….for the hooker…..but men who use them are criminals”.
– That “Sweden” is also right here where I live.
The girls get socially paid cellphones – ostensibly to report rapists and the like but more likely the effect becomes a more efficient co-ordinating of their lucrative personal capitalist venture. (Forget the world’s oldest profession – the world’s first capitalist).
The guys get – “john school” (plus vehicle confiscation, fines [paid to the other whores], a criminal record and a great public profile for all to see in the newspapers).
Who needs to emigrate or visit the Scandinavias when it’s all here right in (Daisy) Duckburg.
Uneffingbelievable. It looks like a government sponsored honey trap, with women having the cake and eating it. That’s what having all the choices is like: they get money from the nanny state and the johns they like, and they report the ones they don’t.
“There have been compelling scientific proofs that men, because of their Y chromosomes, are doomed to extinction anyway…”
– Maggie
“Women need to stop raising male children … nobody wants to bite that bullet (except lesbian separatists) but it must be done.”
– Mary Sunshine
“… the not raising male children one is difficult one for me as I have one!! I mean, we need female children and I’m so glad I have a daughter. SHe was my first, perhaps I should have stopped at one …”
– cherryblossomlife
“More importantly, I think womyn need to stop giving birth to any more males…”
– Maggie
“The Y chromosome is deteriorating … Men will eventually become extinct. It is unavoidable.”
– Maggie
“… the only solution to womens suffering under patriarchy *is* a biological one … that men are biologically, genetically mentally ill, and the only solution to this is a biological solution … ”
– FCM
“I’m so glad that you and others are open to considering a biology-based analysis of what is wrong with men.”
– vliet
“… look at animals… Females live together in groups, they *are* the community, and men hover around the outskirts fighting and killing each other. Let’s go back to the way it’s supposed to be, I say.”
– cherryblossomlife
“Even if we killed off 90% of men, the majority of women left over would do their best to keep the oppressive system. I’d dare say we’d have to kill off all the women too and leave the little girls and radfems to create the utopia.”
– Lilith
“The *magic number* to bring the males under control is ~30% of the population (roughly 2 females per male) … the men have managed to kill themselves off with a lot of warring, then the women get into politics and make a lot of community-friendly political decisions … so much for the MRA scare tactics of a matriarchy being just the reverse of a patriarchy.”
– DaveSquirrel
“My Vision:: A world where mothers are in charge, every step of the way … A world where males are shunned by everyone & punished severely …”
– patriarchywatch
“It’s *men* that are redundant due to their high fertility. They should be fighting each other, fighting for the right to pass on their genes: survival of the fittest *man* is how it really should be.”
– cherryblossomlife
It goes on and on.
I hope that there is a lot of space at “register-her”.
This shit infuriates me. And I know it wouldn’t infuriate me so much if I knew everyone disarms these psychotic voices. I can read a bunch of KKK ramblings on KKK internet forums and it won’t infuriate me nearly as much, because I can at least think to myself “I’m glad these voices are relatively shunned by society”.
I’m infuriated because I know that some people will read that feminist forum and not see how dangerous it is. People who read it may not necessarily “agree” with what is being said on the forums, but very few people will think of it as anything more than a “dissenting opinion”.
It’s time that people no longer see what these fuckheads are saying as “dissenting opinions”, and it’s time that they see it for the dangerous bigotry that it is. The idea to wipe men off the face of the earth is NOT just a different philosophical viewpoint. It’s a fucking poison and it should not be tolerated by ANYONE.
They regularly delete all dissenting opinion on forums such as this to give a fake picture that they have support.
Few, if any have the parts to put a name with their face when spouting this drivel. They KNOW they would be called on their idiocy and ostracised but, are hell-bent on creating a dreamland where they don’t seem as psychotic as they really are.
If any of the supportive commentors or authors identities are found I would be very quick to pass on this information to child protective services where they live. They are unfit to parent a child male or female, the direct harm to a male child is self-evident but imagine the skewed view of a hetero-female child raised in such an environment and, the negative effect it would have.
I doubt these idiots even realise the ammunition they are giving the pro-life camp with their “ideas”. Clearly, these women do not deserve reproductive choice. Of course any man willing to stick his dick in such a foul woman needs his head examined also.
This sounds so crazy and ridiculous, I’m inclined to think it’s fake. Is this for real?
I’m not usually one to use foul language, but these women are a bunch of whacko nutcases. There have always been a great number of these types, I think most don’t take them seriously. Look up Valerie Solanas and the S.C.U.M. Manifesto taught in many U.S. women’s studies courses. And then just hope you’re not Andy Warhol.
I’m surprised she hasn’t already been brought up, here is feminist wikipedia’s “nice and feminist-politic” version: “Valerie Jean Solanas (April 9, 1936 – April 25, 1988) was an American radical feminist writer, best known for her attempted murder of Andy Warhol in 1968. She wrote the SCUM Manifesto which called for male gendercide and the creation of an all-female society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas
Funny, I was just gonna mention that this whole thing reminds me of the SCUM Manifesto from “I shot Andy Warhol.”
As strange as it may seem, I do hold the Solanas bitch in some degree of reverence. For while she was indeed a misandric piece of walking misery, at least she had the decency to be up and front about it.
In a similar vein, it’s good that people like Vliet Tiptree and her cronies think they can hide on the internet. Their over-confidence allows them to show their true colours and not go underground. We cannot fight the evil that we cannot see.
Hey what’s the rationale for all the downvotes for this “Sue”? Seems she asked a reasonable question. I myself don’t see these looneytoons femsites as “possibly fake” so much as just plain not worth the time we could be spending on a hundred more consequential matters.
That’s what I was thinking. That the extreme looney-ness of it almost too extreme to really lend that much energy to it. I mean, it’s horribly sexist and a bit scary there are people who actually think this way, but most of it made me crack up. Just the idea of men only being called upon to ‘satisfy the sexual needs of the women.’ Just picturing that made me laugh out loud because it’s so ludicrous. Never before in history have women collectively only wanted men just for sex – I doubt that set up would last for very long. Have you ever heard of a group of women talking about ‘if only men were just around for sex and nothing else?’ Women, generally, want meaningful relationships, family, monogamy, just generally speaking, of course. I guess we all just suffer from stockholm syndrome.
The worst kind of feminist is a male one. That is where the black widow analogy really becomes manifest into reality.
The rad fem puts the misogyny on its skin or else it gets the hose again!
A single day can’t go by without rad fems putting on their fucking clown shoes!
Shit! I guess that will teach me to get some sleep! I know we have MRA’s in the Seattle area that come to this site regularly. That is very close to Redmond, I think.
It is Paul. I’m originally from that area. Too bad I’m in Chicago (of course, that helped with Jenna Karvunidis), so it’s a trade off.
Thanks for running with this.
We need to check and confirm the target via multiple independent sources to make sure she is the correct person responsible for this. Just remember how many vigilantes have attacked and harmed men on the false allegations of women.
Although, the world would be better off with this harridan as worm-food, I’m pretty confident you will not find anyone here advocating for violence.
Photo’s of this woman with direct quotes from her own words will more than suffice in utterly destroying this woman.
Every coffee shop, every telephone pole, every bus shelter and every campus. If she is found I can create and upload a QR barcode to link to this article, anyone with a smartphone can see for themselves in seconds.
But, even for non-violent action you are correct we must be sure of our quarry before we go on the offensive.
For anyone who doesn’t know, the radfem hub is the battiest of the batty. I mean, it’s the fucking belltower when it comes to cyberfeminism. I’ve known about it ever since I stumbled across one of its member’s blogs called “Femonade” (“factcheckme”s blog).
Factcheckme believes that a woman feels affection for a male sexual partner because of the trauma the sex has inflicted on the woman. If I remember right she compares it to men bonding with each other in life-or-death battlefield scenarios due to the trauma and stress (“trauma-bonding”). I think PIV (penis-in-vagina) sex is pretty much a weapon used to brutalize and destroy women. Honestly, you aint seen nothing yet. If a really sexually neurotic nun injected pure LSD into her ears she might start writing like Factcheckme.
If you look closely at the mental and social patterns of most radical feminist, you will see they share the same traits as a psychopath! I am not saying this to be funny…it is a very real and disturbing truth.
These ideas sadly don’t surprise me very much. I haven’t seen it put so bluntly very often, but I’ve seen different variations of it. I’m really baffled. And really saddened by how long-gone the minds of some of these feminists are.
And yet, no one seems to call these psychos out on their unusual level of bigotry. Or at least, no one other than MRA’s.
Why’d it have to be San Francisco. The place I live and grew up in.
Holy Crap!! I just went to their site. I didn’t think hate groups like this still existed outside of the Middle East.
Reading through the comment by Michael Horowitz, I had the idea that once per month, AVfM could invite wacko feminists to post here. Then we can make fun of them.
Partly for comic relief. Mostly because some kinds of crazy are so moronic that they strengthen the opposite viewpoint.
I would like to hear more from Herr Horowitz.
“More importantly, I think womyn need to stop giving birth to any more males…”
– Maggie”
They might want to get with the Chinese government on that one. Ever since the “one child” policy the male predominates, while the female is out of vogue…because males offer better “worker” utility.
(This is the same “one child” policy that Joe Biden said he “understood” while he was visiting there.)
In other words, when limited to one child and given a choice over what sex that child will be, the Chinese are consciously choosing males over females. The consequences of social engineering, yet again.
Just shows how pathologically deluded these Male Haters are. They’re a 10 on the scale of feminist insanity. It’s the hatred of males that wymyns studies courses all over creates.
“I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy.”
What a sick, demented whore.
“More importantly, I think womyn need to stop giving birth to any more males…”
– Maggie
“The Y chromosome is deteriorating … Men will eventually become extinct. It is unavoidable.”
– Maggie
Now, from now on anyone who aligns themselves with feminism as far as I am interested, supports this kind of thinking.
I remember there being a whole chapter on men going extinct both genetically and economically in
‘Are Men Necessary’ by Maureen Dowd
Dowd is a regular columnist in the mainstream media(New York Times, I believe) and as a result, she’s considered more of a ‘moderate.’
There was actually an interview with some scientist specifically about the subject of the Y chromosome deteriorating.
This is indeed a regular component of the feminist canon.
Dowd is a regular maggot.
“Now, from now on anyone who aligns themselves with feminism as far as I am interested, supports this kind of thinking.”
That has been my own position for quite a while.
It states she was/is an employee of a University. I know The University of Washington (UW) is not far from Redmond, maybe she works there. If she is employed there, the Uni will have her record.
No results for “vliet” in their faculty/staff directory
I did a search as well. I also looked up the staff directory for the city of Seattle, no dice. It was worth a try.
This is the same lunatic fringe, psycho-bulldyke-blustering I remember from college in the early 90’s. Their rabidity inevitably found its way to the internet. At the time I likened them to neo-Nazis or the KKK but now I don’t even see them as having the constitution of either. And that is most likely because men aren’t running their show.
They may be trying to “assemble” and cough up plans to collectively de-androgen males but that is like trying to put all serial killers in the same room and getting them to agree on whose “style” should be definitive of their craft. Sociopaths will eventually turn on each other and corrupt themselves. That’s what they do. Sure, we all know what happened the last time a cluster of sociopaths assembled to execute mass extermination, but thankfully the saner of us learned fascism = bad. Not to say that we shouldn’t call these cunts out on their insanity and publicly shame them, but in the end Buffy the Andro Slayer will lose, regardless. They’ve been at this for how long and still the only they can collectively do is bitch about how “unfairly” they are treated in society? Meanwhile, outside the solarium, the world continues to turn on its axis and men (who are used to, and good at working together) are studying the opposition in anticipation for war.
I say bring it on bitches.
Radfems may lack the STEM skills to bring their biological warfare fantasies to fruition – but they have pussy. Hear that Gamers?
Holocaust Game!
But many of us who are getting those STEM skills won’t put them into the service of these cunts, and will work actively to counter them.
I have read that post on RadFemHub. Those radical feminist are pure evil. In a way, however, I think they are less stupid than your ordinary feminists. At least they do acknowledge some biological differences between men and wome. It will be very difficult to find the real identity of this bitter woman. I will try to infiltrate this website as a feminist and see if I can help AVFM. If I discover any info, I do not expect any reward.
I would challenge any feminist to find a single site on the internet which advocates for the murder of baby girls at birth and 200+ supportive comments agreeing with such a stance.
This is the true face of feminism. I’m almost thankful that these radfem loons are exposing the true feminist agenda beyond all the typical lies about “equality”.
That’s an important point. Because for anyone who is on the fence, they ought to see the discrepancies between who they label as “radical”. Often times the fence-sitters (noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz etc..) will label MRA’s as “radical”, when I can’t think of ONE MRA who has said nearly as many horrendous things about women as the radical feminists have said horrendous things about men. This should clue these people in on the amount of toxicity there is between feminist and MRA beliefs. Or at least clue these people in on who has more of a stranglehold in this society on what is allowed to be said. Clearly, feminists hold the upper hand in the gender discourse when shit like that is being ignored. Anyone skeptical of the power of feminism in western society should show me one MRA who has gotten away with suggesting female genocide. If we lived in a ‘patriarchy’, talk of male genocide would be forbidden and talk of female genocide would be fair game.
“Vliet Tiptree
Posted October 5, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Permalink
Very well-written article. It’s the first time I knew the Hate Crimes Act includes “gender”, since nobody is ever charged for it no matter how conspicuous the hatred of women is in the perpetration of the crime. No doubt if a woman ever kills a man due to hatred of men, the statute will pop into use. Will start using femicide right now on sites such as RadFemHub. Thank you for this analysis.”
http://womensmediacenter.com/blog/2011/10/exclusive-femicide—the-power-of-a-name/
IF a women ever kills a man due to hatred of men? Do females mock, mutilate, and murder men now because they LOVE us?
Radfems are like Nazis: They whine about the slightest offense, real or imagined, experienced by THEIR tribe while caring not a jot about severe crimes committed against others.
How is that possible? Easy. Being emotional, fembots are not bound by logic, reason, consistency, or morality. They feel free to make rules that they, themselves, don’t have to abide by.
In their pea-brains, there’s no problem being hypocrites since only males are hobbled by rationality.
This is why femoonbats can damn men for being sexist while saying things like, “Sure, I know I’m being sexist, but…” with straight faces. Like children, they are solipsistic. They alone matter in the world. Character is redefined to be whatever gets them off the hook. Contradictions aren’t contradictions to such c*nts. They know no one will hold their philosophic feet to fires.
“”Sure, I know I’m being sexist, but…””
Nah, they [i]can’t[/i] be sexist, remember? That’s what probably any female radical feminist would tell you. “I’m a woman! I can’t be sexist!”. Of course, the radical feminist males would just sit back and accept that. They have no problem saying, “Oh, forgive me, goddesses! I’m a sexist! I’m a lowly male, therefore I’m sexist!” As far as I’m concerned, it’s just a way to control the dialectic. To most (?) people who see the term “sexist” (meaning outside of feminist circles), “sexist” seems to denote someone who hates or feels superior due to their sex. However, rad fems try to pull the whole “I can’t be sexist!” act, which is a way to disarm their opponents. They can call [i]you[/i] sexist, but you can’t call them that. If you’re a man, you’re already sexist. If you’re a woman who is against them, then you’ve “internalized oppression” and are sexist (but only if you’re sexist against women, of course). You know the whole “Don’t argue with idiots; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”? To an outsider who doesn’t know anything, a rad fem might actually be seen as winning the argument, as they’re able to back up their double standards with more nonsense. That is also how they probably justify it to themselves (“I can’t be sexist! I’m oppressed!”). Something else to consider: I’ve seen otherwise decent people justifying or excusing misandry by saying “It’s just a response to misogyny”. I suppose we’ll have to challenge these people when they appear, although we probably have to be careful about how we challenge them. Some of these people may not be against us; some of these may also not be fans of feminism. However, if we come across too harsh or “assholish” to them, we may end up turning them against us. There are probably lots of people out there who are already against us, and there’s probably nothing we can do to change that. Those are the people in which no matter our conduct, they won’t care. Bad conduct will only reinforce their beliefs, and good conduct will probably be seen as a coverup or anomaly.
What’s the point of this rambling? I’m not sure; I just felt like getting it out, I suppose.
“Vliet Tiptree” sounds like if it is an anagram. I’ve fed it into an online anagram solver, but so far only “Peter Evil Tit” came up. Which might be some cynical joke, but I doubt it.
Are there any veterans left from Blechley Park who worked on Enigma?
I can’t help it, I keep thinking of Liet Kynes in the Duniverse.
In any case,
May her blade chip and shatter.
Have filed a report with wordpress http://en.wordpress.com/abuse/ perhaps other can do the same.
“The post on this page is denegrating of men and proposes the systematic extermination of men including male infants, and genetic engineering of men as a final resolution of ? women’s oppression. As such it is inciting violence and sexual hatred. It would clearly breach sex discrimination and hate laws in my country Australia ( and I will be reporting the site to our sex discrimination commissioner) . I respectfully request the this site be suspended and the authors, made aware of their responsabilities under you terms of service.
A selection of the post and comments follows “……….
I’ll try and find out something about this shitheel, Mr. Elam.
I can get angry reading stuff like this, but then i remember ”hey, they’re only women, they aren’t actually going to DO anything, they’re just going to sit around clucking about it like a bunch of fat hens, who probably have more brains between them than this lot anyway”.
Any form of formal, mass extermination or subjugation of men could only possibly be carried out by other men. Who do they think is going to build and man the camps? Who is going to force the men into them? If the sex war becomes a shooting war I can count on one hand the number of seconds women would last against men, their success so far has been keeping it a cloak and dagger affair. That can only get you so far, when it comes to extermination there has to be guns and muscle behind it, you can’t talk someone into a gas chamber
They are talking about a biological / genetic “resolution” such tecnology for bioterrorism is already available, it would not be that difficult if some extremist were inclined to do so to target men (or some aspect of the male genome) without guns or force, men could be blissfully unaware that any thing was happening! Scary stuff really.
I don’t think that’s what they mean by ‘extirpation’. In fact, I suspect they will be fairly light on detail – it’s all the easier to defend/deny/modify then. But reading through their commentary, it looks like ‘better to prevent than cure’ is the unspoken approach. I’m hearing from several quarters now of radical feminist lesbians choosing only to bear daughters. This is the new trend they’re trying to ignite. As far-fetched as it seems, who 40 years ago would have believed that lesbianism would be so successfully pitched as a fashion statement?
Of course all these vanities are made possible by other people’s money, so if we’re in for an extended spell of economic austerity, there’s not the same likelihood of success.
Lesbians bearing only daughters? Who the fuck cares? That’s more concubines for my sons.
I dont know whether I’ll get slammed for saying this, but I actually agree that life would be a lot simpler and more peaceful if men were only say 10% of the population. There would be no need to compete for anything. In fact my idea of paradise is me and a few choice friends idleing away the rest of eternity in frivolous leasure while our enormous shared harem does all the work and caters to all our physical needs in the short spaces of time between geing fucked senseless by one of us. Of course nothing but the bare minimum of work would get done and no progress would be made in way of the civilization or technology, ever, and such a society would have 0 defence against predators, invaders, or natural disasters, but then thats what we have men for in the real world.
These psychotic “radfems” are not just “out there.” Such underlying hatred for men has been the inspiration for feminism from its beginning. Anyone who clings to the belief that it has (or ever had) anything whatever to do with “equality” is badly in need of a reality check. It’s a question of dominance pure and simple.
It’s not just men bad, women good. It’s men bad, matriarchy good. And it’s the kind of matriarchy that regards your offspring as the womb owner’s personal property to dispose of as she sees fit, either before birth or after. And this is the wonderful motherly gender to which child custody is almost always awarded.
God help your sons! They are the real victims of feminism in all its glorious manifestations. No “game” for them. Just slavery and death in the service of global feminism. After all, they do have some usefulness to society when called upon.
Just noticed the “comments policy” on radfem
comments policy
“The discussions on this blog are reserved for women. Female-born, women-identified women are welcome to take part. This means that no male-born or male-identified person is given a platform to speak in this space. An amazing thing happens when women-identified women have the chance to speak, away from the carnivorous and necrophiliac behaviors of men. Our conversations get deep, rich, interesting, and fun. This atmosphere is valued and will be protected.
We welcome comments and discussion from women who want to share ideas and move the conversation forward. Please join in!”
That will certainly silence any potential debate! but I can see how male extermination and male infanticide is such a rich interesting and fun topic.:-(
Their conversations get ” deep, rich, interesting, and fun”?
It’s like the biggest echo-chamber in the world.
‘Our conversations get deep, rich, interesting, and fun.’
Not only do they seem at least mildly insane, but also very dull, if not stupid.
Edit: Alek N beat me to it.
I don’t know how they would determine the sex of any poster, but they have a high degree of cognitive disonance going on. I wonder how many times they’ve ignored commentary in regard to the fact that men invented, designed, built and maintain the electricity grid, hardware, software and firmware for their computers publishing their man-hating ‘blog, and pretty much everything else.
The only way to go at this is to log in as a woman, and faithfully echo what the others are saying. . . but say it louder. This is a venue that does not welcome the mind of the outside world. So it deserves to choke on its own vomit, because in the end that is the only thing it ever can do.
WOW! Carnivourous and necrophiliac behaviors? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Carnivores eat meat and necrophiliacs fuck dead people. In all the man-hating literature out there – I gotta say that’s a new one.
OT – check the contradictions in this article. There are hints that the author understands certain aspects of misandry (without using the word), but the causes laid out for the issues discussed show a muddled understanding at best. Perhaps some educatory comments from MRAs are in order.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/have-we-raised-an-entire-generation-of-young-men-that-do-not-know-how-to-be-men?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=have-we-raised-an-entire-generation-of-young-men-that-do-not-know-how-to-be-men
It’s just too bad we cannot sick anonymous on them! I think there is the capacity to do even a DDOS with 64K pings.
Better yet, if a large number of people all sign up as “females” and hit them with tons of comments at once. That would bring down their whole database.
I would never officially participate.
I cannot decide which is best in these situations. It is good that we can observe these people and that they do not hide underground. Another scam would be to setup a “honey-trap” to entice such people to reveal their identities.
I would not wish to do such a thing either.
We CAN sick anonymous on them. Look up the “Biting Beaver incident”. This was a redfem who was actually thinking of killing her own son for looking at porn. Anonymous found her and she immediately went underground.
Dude I think getting anonymous into the MRM would be a great move!
You must be refering to this:
http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2007/08/sick-cunt.html
God bless Anonymous.
I read again carefully the long Radfem post quoted by Bev (I had skimmed it and it was already scary). It seems that either it’s a joke–and not a good one for that matter, or the womyn there are both insane and dangerous. Saying any one of those things is crazy enough, but to come up with a whole utopian social system based on the enslavement and partial extermination of one gender is dangerous enough to need serious investigation.
Anyone that spells “women” as “womyn” is giving you the first clue how much they hate men. They do not even want “men” in any part of a word they use to identify themselves.
They also are likely to refer to “herstory” and use other juvenile word-play attempts to separate themselves first and, de-value the experiences of men.
And a clue to how trite, dull, uncreative they are. And actually conformist too.
As for ‘herstory’, I suspect there are plenty who believe that the etymology of ‘history’ includes the pronoun ‘his’!
History (from Greek ἱστορία – historia, meaning “inquiry, knowledge acquired by investigation”)
It’s another one of those examples of patriarchal oppression that only works in English (with an ancient Greek Word).
Big fat LOLz to idiots.
Great work folks!
I look forward to seeing video online of this feminist fascist when she discovers her local area blanketed with notices of her moronic misandry – notices replete with her online quotes and an identity photo please.
I can just imagine it – close ups of her running out of her front door screaming “It’s the patriarchy! It’s the patriarchy!”
I don’t know how to use this site and to be honest I don’t give a hoot what people think of me even though a gay therapist said I should and he added I am a prostitute for all women are.
I serious don’t give a fuck how any of you empower yourselves but asked in a nothing voice y’all hear me saying “Please don’t hurt people that are innocents” but I know that’s impossible for men and women and that’s why we have 1,000s of politicians making laws.
I doubt anyone wants to hear from me and I have better things to care about. …. I just want to apologise up front for not responding to comments made to me. (if lucky enough they were)
^ WTF? I mean really, WTF? ^
By babel fish is broken.
Whitney – LOL just what I was thinking. Can’t write, can’t think…*Must* be a feminist.
Well, it’s not meant to be taken litterally, it just refers to..err…hmm…yea, well, nothing really.
You might have witnessed the syndrome before. The following example is subtexted for the hearing-impaired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII&feature=related
Marcotte at it again.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/03/southern-gentility?newsfeed=true
Seems she’s read up on some MRM literature, attempting to spin a distinction about chivalry v.s. black slaves as her own original thinking, and then blame men.
Not here as a woman, but as the mother of sons.
Not just my own sons, but those unloved and unwanted sons as well.
This has me sickened beyond measure.
“The capacity to hate is a frightening human reality, we are always ready to blame another, if the circumstances can free us from our own self guilt.”
However much these nutbags try to justify their own failings by projecting them on to males, they will still be far from reality, because reality does not cater for their egos.
I would say that if we can successfully shame these bunch of feminazis, who seem to be the most crazy that I have seen so far, then we shouldn’t have too big a problem with others who have not yet reached this level of grotesqueness.
Despite the infuriating nature of the subject at hand, we should internalize that anger and channel our emotions properly. The contrast between our lucid resolve and tearing apart their severely flawed ideals to their rabid, irrational vitriol for all things male would make victory that much sweeter. Not fighting out of rage but instead with a sense of purpose is something I learned in my military background. Anyways, that’s just my two cents.
Slightly OT:
The following radical feminist hysteria about “femicide” is worth reading:
http://womensmediacenter.com/blog/2011/10/exclusive-femicide%E2%80%94the-power-of-a-name/
Reader comment no.3 is by..yup…Vliet Tiptree.
Reader comment no.5, by a certain ‘Kathleen’, is as follows:
“Anti-feminist activism is so widespread in the United States that I am not susprised that north American feminists shy away from the term [femicide]. Most of them even shy away from terms like patriarchy, male privilege and yes, feminism.
“The American feminist movement needs to regain its courage and start naming the problem again. Femicide is a useful word and we should use is as much as our foremothers and forefathers used the term, sexual harassment.
“I would love for you to write an article for The Good Men Project. Of course, you will get lots of hate mail from misogynists who will call you a ‘misandrist’, but still, The Good Men Project needs to hear your voice, Diane.”
@universe
“– She don’t realize this part yet, but so shall she be too. How do you tell someone that they’re sawing the branch they’re perched upon?”
By thinking a great phrase a buddy of mine used, a friend who hailed from East L.A.: VCDMF.
“Vaya Con Dios Motherfucker.”
It is something you say when some shit-for-brains steals your car, is giving you the finger whole driving off with it. And you wave and smile, cause he’s does not see he is heading for a cliff.
VCDMF
It’s possible that that’s not a “guest post”, just a pseudonym of a pseudonym.
I would suggest reading other posts at the website and compare grammatical styles, and “go-to” words, as to ensure you’re barking up the right “tree”, so to speak…
They aren’t worth talking too, debating with, or leaving comments on their blogs, nothing will get them to reconsider their views. They are beyond redemption. We should limit our activism in regards to them, to advertising their misandry for all to see, recording it….and outing as many as we can so they are forced to answer for it to their employers, any male relatives….and even the local shopkeeper.
In other words, don’t bother trying to change them…….just make them pay.
You can’t reason with the insane and the terrorists.
I agree the only way to deal with nuts like these is show the world what they really are. the same thing happened with the KKK, because in case people forget they used to have marches in the streets of Washington DC. Now those racist monsters hide because the world was shown what they really are.
Here’s the “innocuous gender” outright calling for male-cleanse. These female vipers would have made the bitch-butch Mary Daly very proud. At any rate, I submit my pledge herein to support the attempt to expose these tart-brain bitches. Let us all FTSU!
Paul, you have my pledge to financially support the ousting of these individuals.
I have tried to post on 4chan, but for some reason cannot get a post through. There may be hackers that could determine who she is if they see the reward offer. Does anybody know how to post at 4chan?
A poster over at Nice Guy’s forum (Migu) is concerned that this may be a setup. He states the following:
“James tiptree Jr is a psuedonym. It was the pen name of feminist science fiction writer. The ideas Vliet is putting forth are a common theme in the tiptree bookclub.
He doesn’t pay attention to me, so coldfire iron john. Pass this along. Tiptree.org. he will find the original idea in one of those books. I’ve read a science fiction book based on the solanis premise.
Just a heads up. Tiptree.org has an Oakland address near Berkeley. Its cult feminism.”
I admit Vliet Tiptree’s post seems far too many standard deviations away from even the normal levels of feminist “love” for men, that it could be a joke. However, it’s mere presence and its’ support by many posters on the internet should breach most host’s terms of agreement.
It has already been mentioned that the name could be an alias, a pseudonym, or some other non-related link to maintain anonymity. The name could simply have been inspired by Tiptree.org’s support of feminist science-fiction in this vein of narrative.
Even if it is true, they’d need to have a disclaimer somewhere – which they don’t.
Yes, agreed Alek. The legitimacy of the ‘blog and forum is made credible by the wide support in regard to Vliet Tiptree’s ideas. It is not simply one single comment from a deluded nutcase, but a website full of deluded nutcases and hateful ideology.
PLEASE send me the info. Thanks!
If it turns out she has children, she should also be reported to CPS.
Yes, I think she should be reported to CPS. (Here in England I would assume that our Social Services would be the equivalent of CPS.)
However I doubt that conclusive evidence of murderous intent will cut much ice with CPS or social services if it is expressed by a woman.
I deal with shit like this every day of my working life.
http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.com/2008/06/children-taken-from-ne-nazi-parents.html
I wrote a 2500+ word open letter in reply. Having read, and being a personal fan and lover of dangerous ideologies, on a scale of 1-10 hers is a 3. She’ll never be taken seriously. If you’re going to be an edgy radical, at least be edgy and radical, right?
You can read it yourselves from the source:
http://gonzojournal.com/?p=42
Off topic, but I love the typography on your site.
This is folly gentlemen. I got no problem with takin the fight to these bigots and no qualms with registerher.com as the means of doing so. But I do see a big ethical difference between posting personal info that a given individual has chosen to place in the public sphere and soliciting for personal info that an individual has chosen to keep private. Please don’t take this as a lack of appreciation for the depravity of the article, or a slide into a “tone” argument. I just think an instrument like registerher.com has to be engaged with some strict ethical boundaries. And this seems counter to the boundaries established by Paul, as I’ve read and understood them.
I do believe that you have been presumptuous in assuming that with the information Mr Lovett has provided to Paul we will shortly all be headed to our neighborhood feed and seed to buy pitchforks and torches. In Dr E’s and JTO’s capable hands I am sure an appropriate and law abiding response is forthcoming. One however that will extremely uncomfortable for the person involved.
Kindly presume no ill presumptions on my part friendo. I didn’t make my comment out of the slightest ounce of concern for anyone in this community doing something “extreme”. And unless your name is actually “scatmaster” than you can appreciate my point to some degree. A justifiably small degree of course, sense your not a genocidal bigot. I get it. But I still can’t quite get there on the ends justifyin the means with this.
When you’re calling for genocide you do not get to decide your privacy preferences, nor will they be respected.
Edit: Nevermind, oldjoe said the exact same thing…
The boundaries we established are that RHC will be respected and the site will not be used to disseminate personal information. We will respect that…at RHC. But not at AVfM.
I cannot believe that anyone could read that and come away with the idea that we need to protect the privacy of personal information on individuals that are aggressively forming a coalition with the intent to inflict grievous harm on half the population,
We are going to put her information here, over and over again, till every person in this disgusting woman’s life is aware of who she is, including family, employers and members of her community.
She is a disease that must be extirpated.
Lead on sir!!!!! Lead on!!!!!
keyboard is at the ready , Bring it on.
Mine as well.
Yep FTSU!
Let’s do this. Let’s continue to FTSU.
Thanks Kyle, and gidday from down under ,
you state “Many of the other identities saying the most offensive and damning stuff are from Australia, the UK and the Netherlands, so I’m not quite so sure of what to make of it.”
If you could direct me to any sites or Australian persons involved in propagating this material, I would appreciate it, and may be able to take action here. At least I can complain to the site admins and advise our sex discrimination commission.
Our racial discriminations laws (which are similar to sex discrimination laws) were recently tested in the high court with a Journalist charged for racism for implying in published articles some aboriginal identified people who appear fair skinned, used there “aboriginallity” for personal gain. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/andrew-bolt-x-racial-vilification-court-case/story-e6frg996-1226148919092
If that sort of thing leads to a conviction, this blatent male hate should secure at least the same result for any australian citizen guilty of it.
you can email me at rper1959@gmail.com
Re: Kyle Lovett’s reply below:
‘and one for shits and giggles.
http://imgur.com/a/vD8v7/‘
It’s mind boggling that these insane bitches are married. Who the fcuk are their husbands?
If she is not a professional feminist, one of the commentators might well be …
@Kyle…
Agree re Australia.
Trawled around after reading Paul’s piece and found a “SCUM Radical Feminist Conference” had been held in Perth only a few months ago. Seems we have our own lunatics over here.
Added to my upcoming agenda will be efforts to learn more about quite a few individuals. Activities I engage in at a local level significantly enhance the likelihood of my actually meeting some of these extremists.
So she’s a “new york times best selling author.”
no doubt the NYT and her publisher will be interested in her “final resolution”
They will probably revel in it.
I see that there is a Pam O’Shaughnessy listed as Interim Director of AARP Grassroots and Elections for AARP International. I don’t think AARP would want somebody as radical as vliet tiptree in such a position. If I contact AARP now, can we show that Pam is really Vliet tiptree, or would she just be tipped off that she is suspect and start trying to hide the evidence? Would it be best to contact AARP now, or wait until we have more evidence?
I would wait for Paul and JTO’s direction in this case.
Just my opinion however. I think one would want one hundred percent confirmation.
I agree.
Of course you are welcome to do as you like, but please allow me to ask you to consider holding off just a few days. I think by all of us working together we can have a much greater impact on these organization, and on the tumor we must cut out.
Within 72 hours a detailed summary of findings and plan of action will be posted here.
Thanks to everyone who rolled up their sleeves on this one.
Will comply , Paul. I definately want to see the maximum possible impact!
Probably all the relevant information has already been saved. And hopefully they haven’t found out yet that their dangerous extremism will be exposed.
Just say the word Paul and I will do all that I can.
I don’t know if this is just a little over the top but I have saved the complete content of the blog the artical and the complete comments left there. Just in case something happens to the material and we are not able to find it. But I am so moved with this that I didn’t want to loose it and I didn’t want to take the chance that someone else may not of saved the material so I took it upon myself to do so, not only the url but the material itself.
I just went to her blog…interestingly enough, the biography section seems to be “down for maintenance”
lmao
Paul,
I’m a little familiar with the area she is from. When I was in Southern Cal I wasn’t too far from there. Sounds like she is from East LA. I don’t know of any MRA’s in that area now though.
Done. You’d think they could be arrested for hate speech or something. I suppose nobody pays much attention to the crazies until they blow something up and kill a few people.
Lol now she set her blog to private
It would probably be better to leave it open as to at least show some spine.
If you’re really in the right about what you believe in, there’s nothing to hide from…right?
And it’s not like there’s anything taken down that hasn’t already been indexed, saved and screen-shotted, so it’s both cowardly and futile to remove content.
I guess there’s always the next pen-name, sisters.
Up for a challenge lad’s? Latest addition to the radfem post:
“karmarad
November 7, 2011 at 6:59 am
Hi, sisters, after this guest essay was posted I was targeted for some evil doings by some male doofuses. I decided to bark back. I won’t go into any detail because there’s a lot of MRA talk I had to quote and so on in this takedown, but for those of you willing to expose yourselves to a little of that, check out http://avoiceforcreepymen.blogspot.com/, my new blog. Hope to write another essay soon; it’s been fun.
Take care,
Vliet”
which leads to “Paul Elam, Kyle Lovett, and A Voice For Creepy Men”
Oh no! I’m shaking in my combat boots. Well, so be it. No better chance for moral and logical shakedown that will transpire if they grace us with their presense.
Oh, and they’re creeped out that I know how to search public records. HAH! Ok I had a slight bout of vanity. Sorry.
No better chance for moral and logical shakedown that will transpire if they grace us with their presense.
Them, show up here?????
Not a chance or if they did it would be to troll and run.
You’re right. I expect too much with having some kind of discourse with our psychotic opponents – especially in here. Hard to argue an amoral point for them, so why bother.
on her blog which does not allow comment posting , she has made some reactionary snide remarks about most of the posts in this thread, but failed to address the misandry and conspiracy to murder or genetically engineer male humans simply for the fact that they are male, as proposed in her article, and overwhelming supported by the comments to her post. Of course reactionary threats are the typical feminist ploy when there is no possibility of valid counter argument. I hope the hate and sex discrimination laws in the US are similar to ours in AU , good material for a class action, against this women’s illegal actions in propagating gender based hatred.
She has the right to post in a publicly accessible forum ,( she could have posted her hatred to a private blog and no one would be the wiser) she now has the responsibility to bear the consequences for her public words.
I’ve just been through the whole she-bang, and first of all she’s backpedalling like crazy, denying she wrote any of it. In fact she claims it to be written by a man trying to make feminists look bad, which I personally don’t think anyone can do better than they already do it themselves.
Secondly she’s called her lawyer and the police, and thirdly she has gotten into her twisted mind, that we’re cast from the same mold as her, and..-wait for it..-wants to kill her.
-Really.
The fact that we’re writing this from all over the globe seems to have went -whoosh! -over her head, and I would like to know what kind of jurisdiction she thinks the US police has in countries in Europe, Asia and down under. Should you be reading this, “Vliet”, I’ll spell it out for you: N-O-N-E !
But a lot of dealing out victimcards, rationalization, and shaming language is all it amounts to. Nothing new, in other words.
The only thing that really puzzles me is how she justifies her twisting it around to her being the innocent victim of cyberstalking, conspiracy-minded, creepy men after writing an article that advocates the annihilation of all men.
Unbelievably well-trained hamster in action here..-Well worth a gold medal in the next olympics for female rationalization ad.lib. But unfortunately she’ll have to settle with an entry on register-her.com among the other bigots.
-And congratulations with it.
You are a better person than I am Kimski.
I as well “lost my pizza” after about two minutes of reading its drivel. Nothing new there.
Hamster. Hamster. Hamster.
The fact that she’s backpedalling at lightspeed doesn’t exactly lend credibility to her statement that someone else wrote it, from my point of view, Scatmaster.
-And a better person?? -Hardly..
I just like to see what they come up with, when they let the hamster out of the cage. It’s the most amazing, mind-boggling stuff most of the time. I wish they would use that creativity to actually invent something for once.
This is an answer to one of the comments, which is another reason that I don’t belive her futher than I could throw her:
“Just dropping in to say how much I appreciate these comments, which galvanize my thinking.”
The real problem is that a woman’s word and allegation recently brought down powerful men like Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Julian Assange. A woman’s false allegation still has enormous destructive power in the hands of male women-firsters. Even when found not guilty, the time, effort and expense involved can drive a man to ruin without recourse to the aid and assistance offered to women as a result of taxing men.
If she were to sue somebody in Canada and lose, she’d be on the hook for their lawyer bill. We do not tolerate vexatious litigants.
I love how Paul is a member of that blog:
All casual-like: “Hey, what’s goin’ on in here?”.
on her blog which does not allow comment posting , she has made some reactionary snide remarks about most of the posts in this thread, but failed to address the misandry and conspiracy to murder or genetically engineer male humans simply for the fact that they are male
Did you expect anything less?
Same old, same old.
Your right of course, as my son would say to me “no shit Captain Obvious” expect rational debate from a rad fem, yep , must of been dreaming.
An e-mail to Barbara Kay.
Dear Ms. Kay,
The following is a link to a Radical Feminist site.
http://radicalhub.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/
Does this approach sound familiar to anyone from history?
Sincerely,
Tim Legere
Nothing she can do will help her now. It’s too late for forgiveness, or mercy.
The grinding wheels are in motion.
It’s a moot point if it those who found her real identity show how they connected all the dots. It’s not hacking in any case…or using any kind of special software. It was very simple investigative work. Of course, any competent skip tracer is trained to find this type of information online without having to resort to any kind of undercover work. She put herself out there, and left all the traces pointing back to her real identity.
Paul landed a much bigger fish than any of us could ever have imagined. This woman is a prominent public figure and a New York times best selling feminist author. Congratulations to the men of AVfM for the investigative work that exposed this corrupt woman and her “final solution” agenda for the elimination of all boys and men.
However, it does not end here. When I put myself in Paul’s shoes, I feel enthusiasm … but also fear. Vilet Tiptree is a well connected public figure. She has enormous political, financial, and institutional support. Certainly, it is time to expose her agenda of hate. However, Vilet is powerful and influential. She will not go down without a fight.
And that brings up the real issue. The law is more about money and power, than it is about justice and evidence. Morally and legally, Vilet has nothing to stand on. But she draws upon a vast arsenal of power, money, and influence. She will call on all of her corrupt friends in high places. This will be a tough fight.
It will also be an expensive fight.
>>> Men of the MRM: It is time for sacrifice <<<
For the next 24 hours, I will match any contribution to AVfM, up to $2172 (the balance in my checking account).
DOE sent out pink slips two weeks ago (effective March of the year to come), and my name was on the list. I know what it means to be afraid. This woman's institutional and legal intimidation cannot stop us. At some point, when the humiliation and dehumanization becomes intolerable, men scream "cry havoc!" and face their tormentors. That time is now.
"They sowed the wind, now let them reap the whirlwind."
I guess I will be getting a letter from her lawyer now for wanting to expose her bigoted hatred of men. She has done nothing to men so she would say. I don`t know where anyone thinking that men should be genetically altered to contain male agression, could not think that this is completely immoral and wrong.
What if we just replaced that with there should be something done to genetically altered women to be more servile or to contain womens aggression because as gov statistics have shown women commit just as much domestic violence and they are more likely to hurt or kill children. wow she would be out marching in the streets beating her chest screeming about how wrong that it was. And you know I would be there right along side her beating my chest until it bleeds crying about how wrong that would be. So why is it ok for her to think that genetic alteraltion is the answer here for men and that it would be ok. She has gone through our posts here and thats fine but she has said wow I have not done anything to you (who ever) but yet promotes genetic alteration according to the artical so that would be against every…, oh what half the population of the world.
(Vliet Tiptree)
“My own personal vision is that women will cure the sickness that ails men and that men will stay around, hunkered in their man-caves playing the ukelele, leaving us in peace at last. As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification.
I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy.”
We’re coming for you honey. Rest assured that every employer, colleague, family member, and associate of yours with access to the internet will know who, and most importantly, WHAT you are.
If you have minor children then those authorities will also find out. Game over for you. You are truly the most vile filth imaginable.
We will march forward on a road of your bones to victory – i.e. the truth.
Also know that if you lived 100 times over you still wouldn’t be smart enough to deal with the (mostly) men here. Ain’t equality a bitch?
Thanks for bringing Mizz Vliet’s offenses to the attention of the sane world. I’ve done my best to circulate this filth & to expose it to the light. Possibly, I disagree on tactics– I don’t think the hunt for her true identity should be private, as you suggest; that appears a bit like vigilantism and can be used against the men’s movement. In these circumstances, men are victims of Mizz Vliet and Mizz Vliet is the agressor. That’s an excellent light to stand in. I’d favor outing her blog to mainstream media; letting a reporter or columnist pursue her identity; and calling for police to investigate. By the way, she’s almost certainly a tenured radical at some department of Womyns Studies — the verbiage is too practiced to be casual. Good luck to us all.
Just read a bit more of the posts above. Have we actually named our Perp? Is the name real or is it designed to embarrass people of Irish decent? that was a joke..
I’d hope the blogmaster will announce this more formally.
Yes, Sir
and what’s even better
is that she confirmed that we have her identity
I like how their first reaction is always to prove that false accusations are commonly used against men.
A lot of her published work on the internet is disappearing. She has posted her poetry at criticalpoet.com and this has appeared:
Forum rules
This forum will be removed from the Critical Poet on 11/11/11. Please save your work. For questions, please send a private messge to one of the forum moderators.
It is good that people had the foresight to capture evidence before revealing information publicly on these forums. But then there are all the internet archives
You guys are being played.
She has you all in a tar baby. Jack Elam was funny as hell, and smart as hell, but he was Jack Elam.
Beat her to the punch man, or she’s got you. Just being honest with you not trying to be a dick.
And I hate all political hacks equally. I don’t believe in begging your oppressors to oppress you less. I’m a Hans Herman Hoppe type of guy.
You might want to read some of Alice Sheldon’s scifi, and the spinoff authors that followed. It’s one of their playbooks.
Also, I can’t see the ethical solution for the reward. Something isn’t sitting right. I’m gonna go with rogue4.
Look, I love the website, I love that it exposes these harpies, and I have no delusions that both men and women are equally capable of evil. This Vliet has the ultimate fallback. It is all SCIENCE FICTION, and LITERARY LICENSE. It is billed as such.
She is not a fool, she is well covered, you might even say well experienced. Don’t shoot the wad, you have credibility, maintain it. She is playing chicken now, may I suggest you publish what she already has simultaneously with what you post about her? It would be a good move.
That’s my .02. And that’s probably what it’s worth.
BTW: The only reason I decided to post was because of the name tiptree coming up. I’m quite familiar with Alice Sheldon’s literature, and I’m watching it play out.
This tiptree is not the chicago housewife.
And one last thing. The letter of the law will be followed, the spirit of the law will be ignored. The letter is on her side, the spirit is on yours.
Damn, don’t crash man. I know where you’re coming from. I’ve been in those counseling sessions as the adult child of an alcoholic. (mother) Don’t give them ammo please.
Honestly, you are making a lot of assumptions. I never imagined she was doing anything illegal. Yes, the letter AND the spirit of the law is on her side.
It is on ours as well.
But what is not on her side is sunlight. My name is already out there. All my activities are documented public record. I even continue to allow comments on these activism threads so that most every step of the process is public record.
The fact is that I have nothing to hide. And the fact is that she does.
I am prepared to pay a lot for what I do. She isn’t.
Also, parts of your post need clarification.
Paul, let me know what my bill is tomorrow. Hopefully, we can get some $$$ to strengthen AVfM’s legal position.
Hold off, brother. This will be a slow turning wheel. But trust me, when the time comes I will be making that call.
Thanks!
Oh for the fans.
Hari Seldon of Foundation fame would be what Mr. Asimov thought of Alice Sheldon.
If you’re gonna go after her, understand her.
Nobody has to go after her migu. She posted something to an internet forum and it just might be that JtO and PE think the rest of the world ought to see it too. Actually, she’s invaded our privacy over here with her acts of malice, I’m clear that she has made a breach of promise to the bar, and I move to strike that she is unfit to practice. She is over all corners of the internet with her feminist hatred of men.
And if she thinks she has done nothing wrong, why has she retaliated in such an immature manner, unfit for her profession? She should know it threatens the credibility of both her professions.
Migu, I will give you the ben. of the doubt. You may be sincere. However, you’re also dead wrong.
especially this: “It is all SCIENCE FICTION…you’ve been played…”
1. This is like the 5-year-old, caught in the act, saying “But Mommie I was only joking!” Sorry, we’ve heard that excuse before.
2. I looked at the entire blog page. It’s a political manifesto, not a skit or joke or parody. It is posted on behalf of some sort of “movement,” implying that it is part of a group discussion.
3. There isn’t a trace of context to the page that allows you to suggest that the page itself is “fiction.” Not a trace. Therefore, the page is to be taken at face value.
4. I have read, and listened in on, feminist ideologue-talk for 25 years. Ms Vliet’s screed is entirely within the bounds of that chatter, and they never were joking.
5. There _are_ traces of misandric “science-fiction writing” inside the haridan’s rant. So what!! That’s nothing but the haridan’s own culture. If Hitler had quoted German poets, that would not make Mein Kampf a parody of a speculative fiction. You’re the one who has been ‘led’ into allowing this hate literature to stand.
I may be wrong, but I’m not trying to fit in.
I’m just calling what I see. And in the end I hope I’m wrong.
Thanks for your warning Mingu. You may be right. However, I don’t think it matters if you are right or wrong.
If the men’s movement does nothing about this, then we are a paper tiger and we deserve to perish in favour of a group that has the backbone to act.
“If the men’s movement does nothing about this, then we are a paper tiger and we deserve to perish in favour of a group that has the backbone to act.”
And I suppose that group would call itself. . . the men’s movement. . . or something like that?
There both is, and isn’t, a “men’s movement”.
My assumptions come from recognizing tiptree. I love this site, its one of my top four. I’ve known Elam was pseudonym for a long time. I don’t really care, but I know that there are folks who think that Paul Elam is the name on the birth certificate.
I’m just trying to see three moves ahead. And that is what I’m seeing. It looks like black has mounted an effective Sicilian defense.
I don’t want to see you sink, I know what I posted was unpopular, but hopefully it helped. I’ve made my way in life by saying “Wait a second check this out”
And for the record, I have no beef with AVfM and all the other stuff that is yours. I’m just trying to say this could be an international incident, and my intention is to stack your deck not hers.
And I’ll respecfully disagree on the spirit and letter of the law. The spirit of the law is in the ghostbuster’s vault at this moment. Only the letter matters. Sad but true.
Migu, I haven’t been able to follow your thread, re: spirit of the law. However, if you’re suggesting that no court will convict this Hitlerite-lesbo-feminist, you’re not wrong. “The Law is a false friend,” it promises much and delivers very little.
But this is politics not justice. When we demand an investigation, we put Justice on the spot. We point out that there all sorts of places in the Western World where an honest description of lesbian personality disorders will land you before a Tribunal. But, let a lesbian [assumption by me] self-described author call for the death of males, and Oh, that’s too vague for us to prosecute, and besides, how many males are afraid of her anyway?
I don’t want to see lawyers filing a civil suit; this was a public attack on all men, so a prosecutor should be asked to prosecute. But it’s in the _asking_ where we win our case, not in the expectation of jail time.
Justicer.
You say that you see there being a problem with a public attack on all men and in that same paragraph you seem to make a public attack on all lesbians. That’s as inconsistent as misandric feminists complaining about misogyny or the minority of woman obsessed “all women are bitches” MGTOWs that complain about misandry. I don’t see there being any profit in seeding out threads with hostility towards people on the basis of their sexual orientation, only loss.
Agreed. 100%
I know what it was. I see a trap. I pointed it out. If I’m wrong great.
I won’t be commenting much, I have another refuge. I just wanted to point out a potential trap, because I’ve seen it happen before.
There are major issues here. If anyone has actually hired a P.I. you’ve been told what they are.
You’ve come into the crosshairs of some serious power. Flak, Target, you know the rest, but sometimes the AAA wins.
Be careful dammit!
As I said, hopefully it helped, because I’m on the side of AVfM, the peanut gallery excepted, aside from myself anyway.
I know you are on our side. Never doubted it. But sooner or later, flak is inevitable. I never imagined this site would start to realize its potential without taking some hits, maybe some serious ones.
Does anything worthwhile come with little cost?
I agree with M. that _careful_ treatment of Mizz Vliet, and of her offense, is wise.
My vote goes exactly the opposite.
Banzai. Charge. Bring her down. I had bouts of sympathy with the housewife bigot (not many). This woman is different. She deserves no sympathy. If evil has a face, this is it. Bring her down.
The die is cast. Let loose the dogs of war.
We are gearing up for battle. Our legal team has been consulted, and we will be moving this thing forward in the very near future. In the meantime I respectfully request readers remain on standby as we prepare for what is inevitably ahead.
My heart breaks to report that the viper has a son. From Reader’s Read:
“Mary lives in northern California, Pam in Hawaii. Pamela has a son, and Mary is married with three children. All of their children help to keep this page up and running.”
http://www.readersread.com/features/perrioshaughnessy.htm
It is hard not to grieve, as I think about the horrors that this boy must endure.
I just love how these Radfems actually advocate throwing young boys into wild. Compare these comments found on the same blog entry in question:
“karmarad
November 5, 2011 at 8:06 am
Hi, m Andrea,
I have been reading about the Mosuo and trying to convince myself that we could get along with men if we could seize the means of production which the Mosuo traditionally did, but that ain’t happening in this time and place.
So. Hmm. No men present. You may be thinking about something more radical, and that’s cool. I go back to the basic vision: the village, spiked sticks surrounding it, women on watch, children and no men in the village. The men outside, bringing their gifts and requesting reproduction. The careful consideration. The control by the women. The men often told to move on. The elephant model.
Would like to hear your ideas about this. Can there be men visiting, gifting, requesting procreation under the control of the elder women?
Karma”
To the next one:
“maggie
November 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm
@karmarad 8.06
There would be no need for the elder woman as children would be brought up without commification and objectification. Young women would be more than capable of making the right decisions themselves, having been taught that the clitoris is the font of all pleasure.
At what age would young men leave?”
AND FINALLY:
“Mary Sunshine
November 7, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Maggie,
I think that males should be out of there by the age of 6.
Also, the bringing of another child into the group would have to be a collective decision – that’s where the elders come in. They have decades of observing what is manageable and what isn’t.”
I just love how they advocate for a woman’s right to do with whatever they want with their bodies……demand protection from/of men…..and then turn right around and proclaim they would like to see even MORE restrictive practices on pro-creation put in place as long as women(elders) making the decisions.
I really like the fact they have no problems throwing young boys out. Never mind “motherly love”, or the child-parent bond they supposedly say only “womyn” have the empathy to feel.
These individuals have all the symptoms of some form of collective sociopathy. I can just see them snarling and foaming at the mouth while teaching their little girls all about their clitorises though the revised her-story, and the evils of the beasts they must eventually sacrifice their virginity to (on an elder’s decision no doubt) in order to make another human. Talk about trauma!
This isn’t about women loving nature…..or other women…or even themselves.
This has nothing to do with love.
It has everything to do with an evil, vindictive, bitchy, morally corrupt, selfish, and murderous ideology that advocates slavery, child abuse, and a form of collectivism that will starve more humans than any other regime that has ever come before it.
Also….that new blog-spot she’s got up is priceless. Every shaming tactic in the book is being used for each of the comments she records from over here. I’m wondering how long it will take before she makes that private, too? LOL…then all she will have is the normal echo chamber to scream her rage into.
I think she’s quite furious….and seeing shadows in every corner that hide some kind of “physical” endeavor to silence her. Really? Why the hell would anyone be that dumb? LOL. Just dragging her name (and hopefully those who have made similar comments) and everything she has said into the sunlight is worth it.
Besides…..I wonder what life will be like being known as a bigot. I should think I would gain a great amount of personal satisfaction seeing her reputation suffer to such a degree….and seeing her live with it. Perhaps we should ask Amanda and Jessica?
I’m gonna sit back and enjoy the fireworks.
I for 1 say Godspeed!
I for one thinks that this woman seems absolutely lovely!
Why don’t you get to know her better?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNNaA2teLDI
You’re just a bunch of bitter, angry men! (especially that Paul Elam guy, what an angry misogynist he is!) :@
Thanks for posting. I had already seen the video, and it was not my first exposure to her work. She does some excellent writing on her blog. Perhaps you should read it and get to know her better, yourself.
Mr. Happy
yeah, so what, a capitalist author peddling her trashy crime novels in a capitalist market, no doubt exploiting money out of her readership most likely all unfulfilled women, with nothing better to do with there time then indulge if fantasy. What a hypocrite!
@victorsvoice
Bigoted feminists such as you are often surprised by the intensity of righteous anger in the MRM.
Decades of feminist hate, legal disposession, government neglect, and institutional dehumanization have
Antz…
It was sarcasm. I’ve vistited this blog for many months, commented before, listened to every radio episode, watch every MWM episode, promoted this website, etc.
I’m one of you.
My God, I am so sorry. I am an idiot.
Nu-uh! Paul’s not an angry misogynist! He’s a Happy Misogynist! Geez!
Oh my…..that woman won’t even publish my entire second comment…..lol…check out her “post” of my comment. i sure hope she amends it and actually addresses the whole thing. (the existing one is near the bottom)
http://avoiceforcreepymen.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-creepy-comments-and-more-to-come.html
Doh! I forgot! She didn’t put a trigger warning at the top of her special little page! She probably doesn’t want one of her strong, independent, feminist friends to go into a panic attack and accidentally fall on the invisible cock the patriarchy rapes them with every day. No wonder she refuses to address the rest of the comment!
I guess being outed as advocating child abuse might be to much for these free-thinking and self-empowered “wimmin”!
I’ve done it now! I hurt their sweet little feeeeeeelings. Oh no! A lawsuit! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Hey who knew apparently I am into “shit”.
Why is it always the wimmins who jump to that conclusion when they see my handle. Ella and Mel must be turning in their graves.
Hooha.
It seems few people even follow the origins of styles of music anymore.
If you can really scat, I’d love to hear it.
Sorry James. I sadly do not have the ability. However, I am a fan of the musical genre.
Ella was an improv singer of scat and Mel well what can one say. Strangely enough Nikki Yanofsky of Vancouver Olympic theme fame is one of my favorites as well amongst the new generation of scatters. For those who want more contemporary singers of scat. Chaka Khan, Bobby McFerrin, and of course the Queen of Soul Aretha Franklin.
She (Mikki Yanofsky) can REALLY sing!
I picked up the Olympic CD with “I Believe”. Awesome!
“Why is it always the wimmins who jump to that conclusion”
Projection
Could be a depraved mindset or an amateurish form of shaming language.
Hahaha, she’s probably obsessively refreshing this page, waiting for new comments to appear to feed her fantasies of being threatened by a band of evil, creepy men.
Female victimhood complex knows no bounds.
There is something very creepy in the way that she continually reiterates the word “creepy”.
What’s really, really creepy, though, is “exploring effective means of extirpating male pathology, including being open to biological explanations and treatment “.
So Medusa has been i.d.’ed, and it practices law, but not in the Isle of Lesbos but some CA suburb. I hope the offending diatribe gets circulated among the citizenry.
When this is all over, I think we might conclude in retrospect that it would have played out better if we had focussed more on exposing this shit, and less on saying things about it.
That is what the rhetorical disciplinarian in me seems to be saying.
@VlietTiptree:
I found your manCave/ukelele trope VERY offensive.
Your words ought to be exposed to public notoriety if for no other reason than that.
And thanks for the visuals of this Gorgon. Mizz OShaughnessy dresses to appeal to the very male necrophiliacs she scorns in print.
I just saw a free translation (from GenderSpeek into English) of the offending rant, at least, of its principal offal. This may be useful, because ordinary people fall asleep after her 10th word of GenderSpeek, and they should all be aware of her ideas:
” We [her movement] have abandoned efforts to ease the pain of being in a world with men, efforts like working with them, to a position where we favor entirely curing the disease of being male. The best leads for that are biological (changing male hormones) and psychological re-programming. Genetics and social theory suggest that the male can cease to be man-like or conform to standard understandings of male preferences. This will be achieved by medical treatment. What kind of male-diminished future can we hope for? Some say all males can be eliminated; others suggest that we could tolerate an earth with only 10% men on it. I, however, think that we can genetically engineer masculinity out of men entirely, just as we genetically engineer our foods. In so doing, males will be pushed into a harmless corner where they sit in caves playing the ukelele, without bothering the superior and dominant female.”
She needs a reminder of people like David Reimer. This is done far too often, and always fails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
David Reimer (August 22, 1965 – May 4, 2004) was a Canadian man who was born as a healthy male, but was sexually reassigned and raised as female after his penis was accidentally destroyed during circumcision. Psychologist John Money oversaw the case and reported the reassignment as successful, and as evidence that gender identity is primarily learned. Academic sexologist Milton Diamond later reported that Reimer failed to identify as female since the age of 9 to 11, and that he began living as male at age 15. Reimer later went public with his story to discourage similar medical practices. Eventually he committed suicide, due to suffering years of severe depression, financial instability and a troubled marriage.
In addition to his lifelong difficult relationship with his parents, Reimer had to deal with unemployment and the death of his brother Brian from an overdose of antidepressants in 2002. On May 2, 2004, his wife Jane told him she wished to temporarily separate. Reimer stormed out of the house. On May 5, Jane Reimer received a call from the police that they had located her husband but he did not want his location revealed. Two hours later they called again, informing her of his suicide. Reimer had returned home while she was out and retrieved a shotgun, sawing off its barrel before leaving. On that morning of May 5, he drove to the parking lot of a nearby grocery store, parked his car and fatally shot himself in the head.
The report and subsequent book about Reimer influenced several medical practices and reputations, and even current understanding of the biology of gender. It supported the arguments of those who feel that prenatal and early-infantile hormones have a strong influence on brain differentiation, gender identity and perhaps other sex-dimorphic behavior.
As an artifact of socialmedia and Reality Fantasy, this stuff is priceless.
I have just clicked on Ms O’Shaun’s anti-web-site and seen the reprints she’s done of our comments, all bordered by growls and howls and scowls and shook jowls. All hers.
Incomprehensible. Where are they delivering law degrees these days, in the shafts of dildos?
Eoghan, I apologise for seeming to inject sexual orientation into this conversation. I came across this controversy while researching male-hatred as a lesbian obsession.
It would be an odd heterosexual female who could write what Ms O’Shaun has written. But I suppose it’s theoretically possible.
Other than that, I’d argue that lesbianism is NOT an orientation to any sort of sexuality but a symptom of mental disability, and a retreat from human society. But that conversation is for another day.
That POS is divorced (unfortunately she has a son), and doesn’t have a man. I think her situation has allowed her disgruntlement to fester and lead her down an irrational path based upon her emotional response. But I have little faith in psychology at this juncture anyhow.
Whilst lesbians might dislike men sexually, no doubt they see a use for men practically. It is of note however that whilst many lesbians are feminists who appear to hate men and wish their extermination, homosexual men don’t seem to express the same hatred towards women as a sex, rather just the same frustration with their demonstrated irrationalities that heterosexual men experience from time to time. The worst it ever gets is an exhalation of the term “Women” followed by a sigh. Sometimes accompanied by a shake of the head. For that we’re told we’re misogynists.
if the CPS is not a hypocritical organization, she needs to lose her son to the CPS.
They take children from parents for much less
You don’t seem to have injected sexual orientation into this conversation, to me you seem to be spamming the thread references to sexual orientation and now a sex toy. Earlier you said “all sorts of places in the Western World where an honest description of lesbian personality disorders will land you before a Tribunal.” yet you persist in doing that very thing, are you a plant of some kind, or just not thinking things through?
You are also trying lead the reader to believe that the fact that BPD occurs more often in lesbian communities is something to do being lesbian rather than it being down to the fact that BPD occurs more often in women so a lesbian community might have a elevated incidence of BPD. I say forget about “dildos” and sexual orientation and stick to the more immediate issues.
Your chastisement of Justicer concerning his comments seems unwarranted. Discussions here do not need to be sanitized of sexual reference to be valid and worthy of dicussion. Feminism will not be defeated with MRAs who fear stepping off moral or, as seems to be the case here, politically correct highground. This comment is not meant as a slight to you, Eoghan. I respect and appreciate your activism.
Hayden
I think that you are misinterpreting my motive as being fear of stepping off PC high ground and Justicers misleading information, childish references to sex toys and provision of ammunition to our legal opponent to be commentary that is valid and worthy of discussion, in this context here.
Questioning his willful provision of ammunition to our opponent is worthy of discussion, also is calling him out on the falsehoods in his post, IMO.
It’s too late anyway, his comments have already been recorded, and weaponised.
I love it! That woman (yes, I said it again….) just refuses to amend her post to include my entire second comment! LMFAO. Instead, she places my third one up with the standard victim-ology “implied rape threat” treatment. What a hoot! I’m having more fun diggin under that woman’s (OH NO!) skin just for the hell of it now!
So….uh……she can talk about genetically modifying masculinity out of existence and call it “light-hearted”, but I can’t make a funny about an invisible cock that a non-existent system might have? I say we all just post a bunch of nonsensical words and wait for her to claim some vast MRA conspiracy to abuse her by not telling her what it means.
The more she responds to this, the greater the fool she will look……especially seeing as this supposedly “true” record of comments she has over there isn’t even complete.
Oh–booo-whooo-whoo!
Does Star Trek provide enlightenment?
I understand that Vliet Tiptree admires the writing of Alice Sheldon (a.k.a. James Tiptree Jr.) a Science Fiction writer (see link below).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tiptree,_Jr.
As a Star Trek fan I recall two Next Generation episodes that remind me of some of the various approaches to the “Male Problem” discussed on the Radfem site.
1. The Drumhead (Season 4 – Episode 95)
2. The Outcast (Season 5 – Episode 117)
Note: The following summarizes are from the book “Star Trek The Next Generation – The Continuing Mission” by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens.
Drumhead
An unexplained explosion onboard the Enterprise brings retired Admiral Norah Satie to the ship to investigate. Though the explosion is ultimately proven to be an accident, Satie continues to harass a crewman who Picard feels is innocent. Challenging Satie’s conclusions, the angry Admiral accuses Picard of treason. Picard’s rebuttal of her charges, using her own father’s words against her, provokes Satie to ruin her own career and ends the pointless search for phantom co-conspirators among Federation officers.
Outcast
Soren, a shuttle pilot of an androgynous species, becomes good friends with Riker when they work together to save survivors on board a missing shuttlecraft. Soren explains that her people, the J’naii, penalize those who have a sexual preference, by treating them with a brainwashing cure. Nevertheless, Soren admits that she has always had female tendencies, and is attracted to Ricker, who feels the same. When Soren’s people capture and try her, Riker attempts to defend Soren, to no avail. Riker’s and Worf’s attempt to rescue her is too late: Soren’s “cure” causes her to deny what developed between herself and Riker.
Why did I pick these two episodes?
1. Drumhead
This one reminds me of McCarthyism and the fear created by it. Eventually, good people (risking alienation) stood up to this groundless prosecution. In my opinion, Males are now in a similar position in our time and society when they challenge Feminism.
2. Outcast
To me this episode suggests that some societies/groups are intolerant to differences. This “Techno-Treatment” (does it sound similar to “genetic modification of androgens”?) forces changes on individuals. As a Male, I believe that no such extreme and unwanted treatment is required (nor justified) to/for my sex.
Thoughts? Comments?
Note: I going to read some of Sheldon’s work and those that received the “James Tiptree Jr.” award. I enjoy a “good yarn”, even those that terrify me.
I tried unsuccesfully several times today to post in response to that egregious Fairfax feminist propaganda.
It is obviously heavily moderated; there were no dissenting opinions at all published.
Despite my frustration at not getting an airing in papers
(The Age and SMH) that I have submitted comment to for 30 years it was pleasing that the extent of their censorship directly correlates with the traction the MRM is getting.
My stymied comments mentioned Register-Her.com and made specific reference to Valenti being an acknowledged bigot and misandrist. I am making it a mission to get Register-Her.com in any relevant blog comments I make.
Time for war.
Fairfax can’t me putting up 20 posters tonight at Melbourne UNI.
Anyone that thinks the media is pro-democracy needs to take a read pill, or five.
Oh BTY I have contacted the FBI about Nicole Fabian-Weber.
Karma is my hero.
LMAO!!!
Did she respond to EVERY comment??
and you can just imagine the vein bulging in her forehead by her responses
Maybe she’ll die from a heart attack or an aneurysm or something
This is our own doing. A minority of the mrm provide the material that’s used to justify the censorship and then we are forced to put time and resources into overcoming the censorship.
Looks like they’ve closed the comments
Barbara Kay
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?searchword=misandry&ordering=&searchphrase=all&option=com_search
I’m hopeful that Ms. Kay will want to help expose (in the Main Stream Media) the Radfem Hub site hatred and their proposed “Final Resolution”.
I would be surprised. She has switched gears in the past few year to advocating for abolition of prostitution and saving muslim victims of the evil patriarchy. I think her editorial control has also shifted.
I admit I’m a fan of her’s. I’d classify her stance/objectivity as similar to that of Christina Hoff Sommers.
Not sure about that, I haven’t read anything that I actually consider offensive or negligent of boys and men from CHS, like I have from BK. BK has her moments but she really has lost a lot of credibility.
Can you provide negative examples from her? I’m unaware of them.
Set aside the rights-based rhetoric. It’s about sex: Circumcised men have greater pre-orgasmic endurance; non-circumcision permits more frequent ejaculations. What matters most to the anti-circumcision activists is their diminished pleasure with frequently changing sexual partners, as befits an era where the number of conquests is a more common metric of romantic success than long-term relationships.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/24/barbara-kay-on-circumcision-a-painless-live-saving-surgery/
Nose jobs have been called a “circumcision into the gentile world.”
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=407&Itemid=9
All observers agree that divorce hurts women and children more than it does men.
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=451&Itemid=9
That’s just a few but considering her numerous articles on honour killings, she continues to brush off the Aset Magdomadova case as not being representative of honour killing and rather using gender feminist rhetoric about muslim patriarchy.
Her anti-prostitution abolitionism is reminiscent of first wave feminists and in line with the proposition of the swedish model by her friend Andrea Mrozek from IMF to save the women.
Thanks Denis. I will be reading all of these.
Denis,
I read these and believe the first two are well argued (I don’t happen to agree with her conclusions). In the third article I can’t find her agreeing with “all observers” but neither does she provide a contrary opinion, so we’re left to believe she also agrees.
However, the following are articles that originally made me a fan. Some are very recent.
Women are Not Always the Gentler Sex
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=546:women-are-not-always-the-gentler-sex&catid=1:nationalpos
Myths of Domestic Violence
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=457:myths-of-domestic-violence&catid=1:nationalpost
Male Hating Nonsense
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=425:man-hating-nonsense&catid=1:nationalpost
Happy Seed Providers Day
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=460:happy-seed-providers-day&catid=1:nationalpost
The End of the Gender Wars
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=418:-the-end-of-the-gender-wars&catid=1:nationalpost
The Plight of Divorced Dads
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100&catid=1:nationalpost
Let’s see if she actually writes something about the Radfem Hub site (C’mon Ms. Kay!).
The “all observers” is BK’s opinion but she doesn’t substantiate it and received a lot of flak from her male supporters.
Those are all great articles. Her Whos Oppressing Who article is also really good, but reading it carefully it is understood that she supports matriarchal dominance over children with the statement “as soon as they are able to walk out the door”. This is further reinforced by her article on Tiger Moms where she praises the Chinese moms who “ruled the roost”
Her Titanic article is also great but it’s quite clear that she wants to maintain male chivalry.
This is a great speech where she also shows her admiration of chivalry by defining psychologically healthy male behavior as being protective of women.
http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=380:mwaa-speech&catid=4:speeches
S
A little blog I knocked up whilst watching the box with the family this evening.
http://radfembigot.blogspot.com/
Excellent work, Mr Rper1959. Such an erudite summation of this hate-monger’s dangerous and repellent bigotry. It is chilling what a plausable and placid persona she presents. Knowing what darkness lurks behind the honey sweet smiles of women like her is the stuff of nightmares.
Having read her so-called counter-blog, it is stunningly clear that Ms O’Shaunnessy is a deeply disturbed individual. Her ‘counter-threats’ – if they can possibly be labelled as such – are infantile and further expose her as an extremist idealogue and a shameless liar.
AVFM is witnessing the panic and hysteria of misandrists confronting the consequences of promoting violent bigotry. Stripped of their anonymity, these cowards are being exposed to the unforgiving glare of public scrutiny in a way they hadn’t anticipated.
One wonders if Ms O’Shaunnessy’s son knows that his mother publicly advocates for his annihilation. He probably does. Awareness of their mothers’ murderous hatred of them explains a great deal about why young men are in such trouble these days. Feminism has much to answer for. But then, so do women like Pam O’Shaunnessy, for so thoroughly embracing an ideology which seeks to hurt, betray and ultimately destroy all men – including their own sons.
Witnessing her erratic back-peddling, pointedly spiteful tirades and dark accusations (my, how easily false allegations of stalking, abuse, harrassment etc. fall from the lips of guilty women) is becoming a commonplace spectacle these days.
She’s impotent. No-one lashes out like a surly pre-teen when they have a legal leg to stand on. They let the lawyers do all the talking. She can’t even counsel herself, otherwise she would not have commented so incautiously on her pseudo-blog. She’s been outed and exposed by people who are no longer willing to allow undisguised calls to violence to men go unchallenged.
Great work Rper.
Klanswomyn statement 1)
“…because treatments can be developed to mitigate the death-drive of men…”
Klanswomyn statement 2)
“A vision of a world with only 10% males is envisaged as utopian.”
To recap:
1) males have a “death-drive”
2) female supremacist wants to kill or otherwise annihilate 40% of human flesh
1) but males have a “death-drive”
2) but female klanswomyn are conspiring to kill or eliminate 40% of human life
1) klanswomyn are the scum and scourge of the earth
2) yup, that would be correct.
While extremely dangerous, the depth of rank stupidity and insanity that underlies female supremacists is an embedded fatal flaw. The expiration date on an entity of such dereliction is inherent.
Rper, that’s an excellent blogsite you’ve done! congrats, and I hope it has an effect.
Speaking of which, maybe it’s time for a public campaign to expose Ms [AKA] OShaughnessy, drag this lizzard into the daylight.
For example, is it true that she’s a licenced lawyer? If so, aren’t there basic standards of public behavior that she’s required to respect?
In other words, is a lawyer allowed to espouse genocidal policies towards boys and men? how can someone whose duty may include defending a male in an action or prosecution, publish this excrement?
There’s a lot of random freedom out there, which is a good thing. But being an officer of a court of law implies certain restraints.
If the answer is “she can’t,” then perhaps it’s time for a petition to have her disbarred. I don’t live in her particular jurisdiction; if I did, I’d be in the offices of her local Bar Assoc. demanding action.
I’d love to see Rper start an on-line petition to achieve disbarment. Is it possible to disgrace the legal profession? A good question! however, perhaps we should let the public and the pro’s sort that out.
From publicly accessed records:
“Pamela June O’Shaunnessy” was admitted to the California bar in 1977, and is listed as ‘inactive’ but ‘eligible to become active’. She last changed her status to active in 2006; so she does keep her claw in the offal trough.
Record: http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/77661
Extracts from the Rules of the State Bar of California, and from the California Business & Professions Code, with respect to lawyers:
1) To be admitted to the Bar, you must be of “good moral character.”
2) From § 6068 Duties of Attorney
It is the duty of an attorney to do … the following:
(a) To support the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this state.
(b) To maintain the respect due to the courts of justice and judicial officers.
…and the list of other duties follow, and all are mandatory.
refs:
http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/SelectedLegalAuthority/TheStateBarAct.aspx
http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=wlTymP-VbP8%3d&tabid=1333
Eoghan, you’ve displayed a lot of animus toward me, rather than addressing the points I’ve made. That’s your privilege, but it doesn’t enhance your case. Seems to me that, in the ‘orientation’ controversies, you may have a dog in the hunt.
I truly resent being told that I’m “spamming” or arming the enemy. This is an attempt to discredit me, rather than address the issues we men are fighting for. If you don’t appreciate the metaphors I use, then critique them rationally and logically.
For the record, I haven’t been ad-feminem-ing “lesbians” to discredit them as a class, as you claim I have, nor can you make the analogies you desire to make, by equating “all men” and “all women” with the behavioral category called “lesbians.” MEN and WOMEN share humanity and the earth as a birthright. “Lesbianism” is a condition of the mind, not a sex/gender; it is to that condition, which has a record for LAUNCHING the war against men, and for being _inherently and violently anti-male_ that my speculations around Ms O’Shaunnessy’s orientation are addressed, NOT her biological class. So, yes, her putative sexual preference is relevant, although, as I confessed, not germane to the defense of men against her current predations – as I’ve freely said, but your resentment simmers.
That’s the polite part. In truth, I should say that you yourself seem more like a GBLT advocate than any supporter of men’s rights.
Address your points? You mean the one about the dildo, Beavis?And the false assertion about “lesbian personality disorders”, that are now being used to discredit what we are doing here? No I won’t be addressing those “points”.
ah, thanks for the clarification Eoghan.
Now, expand. To what extent do you feel that lesbians do not have personality disorders?
Or, to put it another way, are free from phobia, persecution complex, delusion, mutilation fantasy, predatory urge, and sociopathy?
There are people with BPD in every group, elevated numbers of people with BPD appear in lesbian communities because BPD is diagnosed more often in women. What you are trying to do here is exactly what feminism has done. ie. talking the characteristics and symptoms of BPD and stereotyping all lesbians with it. That’s exactly how they have slandered heterosexual masculinity, they took the behaviour of heterosexual men with PD, and called it heterosexual masculinity. Posting your bigotry here, lets us all down.
This won’t continue, I promise, but I have to put the question to Eoghan.
Ok, here goes. The “gender identity” industry (faculty of arts, all colleges) has asserted, for the past 20 years, that all “sex” and all “gender” are NOT biologically determined. On the contrary, they are “socially constructed.” In other words, the words, deed, actions, attitudes, this is what constitutes the meaning of “lesbian.”
Many leading advocates of this view are academic lesbians, as everyone knows.
Therefore, to respect the above epistemology, we must admit that lesbian activism; lesbian private opinions; the presence of lesbian lawyers in the divorce industry; the writings of lesbians against heterosexuality; lesbian self-identity;, and Lesbian-Feminist hatreds as a whole define the word lesbian.
In other words, it isn’t nature that gives us lesbianism, and it’s not some neutral class.
It follows, then, that much of the war against men is a lesbian construct. On that basis, how could we exclude the L word from our discussion of men’s rights?
I thought that the “gender identity” industry insisted that sexual orientation was biologically determined. I don’t know if that it is true but there really isn’t any evidence that it is a personality disorder or sociopathy. While there may be lesbians within feminism, I don’t really see any evidence that it is a lesbian construct.
Some women are feminists because they were bored housewives and blamed their husbands for all their own failures in life. Some women are feminists because they were hurt by some men and blame all men. Some women are feminists simply because they believe the myths of oppression propagated by other feminists. The L word is not even substantiated in relation to Vliet Tipree, much less the power structures of organized feminism.
Guys, you beat a tar baby by moving around it.
It’s too late to retract the bounty. There is still a possibility a criminal judge will dismiss this as frivolous. A civil case is a guarantee if she moves forward. She is offering a ceasefire. It’s veiled, but it’s there. That is called “good faith” You need a lawyer that has been retained.
That can still be won, if you keep your mouths shut.
I’m not saying this to be an asshole. Take a look at who has disengaged.
Read her blog again, pay attention to the warnings. I’ve ignored mine this time.
A bounty was posted here, she has not skipped bail. You can post a bounty, but you have to do it the right way.
I’m not allowed to advise, I am not a lawyer, and I haven’t passed any bars. I’ve been through shit like this at the state and federal levels.
You can’t breach this obstacle. You are going to have to go around it.
Sorry for all the yous I’ve been conversing in another language lately that has a plural version of the word.
I know I sound I like I’m lecturing kids. That is not my intention. My intention is to tell you this isn’t a fun game, this can get really serious really fast, and you are dealing with a person who can probably call in favors from very powerful people.
Act in Good Faith. Look up the legal definition. If you do that she has to fight fair.
Exactly. We move ahead. I have already informed the literary columnist at one of the local newspapers here which is affiliated with a cross Canada chain that I have some news on a “best selling” author who advocates male genocide. He seems interested. I am waiting on the next steps. Of course informing friends and family as well with the concrete evidence.
Ok, at least Migu seems genuinely to want us to win; I can’t comment on his legal advice.
Other than that, I won’t post again. So, final comment. It’s astonishing to hear “personality disorder” equated with manic-depressive disorder, as our Eoghan has done, sort of to dismiss my concern and shut me up. Also astonishing is that the offender, Ms O’Shaunnessy, has screamed “homophobia!” on her anti-site (citing me) and this is supposed to cow you all into silence about lesbianisms.
Folks, I’ve been around the gender wars for more than 35 years, and I’ve got to tell you, non-heterosexuality is not exactly opaque to me either. You have no depth on where the war against men comes from, how depraved this woman is, and what you have to address. Your entire struggle against Ms O’Shaunessy is IDEOLOGICAL. Political; social. Do you understand what I’m saying? Sure, her rant was an implied threat to all men. But it’s nothing more than a fascistic speculation, that’s all it is.
So: she’s outed herself as a fanatic. She should be labelled as such. Discredit her in the polite circles she wishes to move in. Finally, Speak truth to power.
As anyone can read in the comments, I didn’t equate personality disorder with manic depressive disorder. You equated personality disorder with lesbianism and said something nonsensical about a dildo – and gave this opponent some useful ammunition to use against AVfM.
As anyone can read in your comments, you are NOT here to be tactically helpful to men, Eoghan, or worried about “some useful ammunition against AVfM.” Unlike PC-controlled media, we debate things openly among men. And any discussion of the hate-male movement involves its lesbian leadership.
I find you have way too much pro-lesbian ammo of your own. Who’s your ideological mistress?
So you’re going to just continue making things up. I’m just going leave you to it, you and your dildos and your fairy tales.
Eoghan, get an old-fashioned education.
Once done, you will understand irony, indirection, and elipsis, the things you have taken literally in my posts.
These are age-old rhetorical devices; sneered at, I suppose, by the earnest mafia who marked your latest papers.
Now to reply to Denis. Thanks, D., for writing a real enquiry.
To respond to “I thought that the “gender identity” industry insisted that sexual orientation was biologically determined.” No, no way. There is no consensus among the militants that sexual preference is pre-ordained, or that gays are a special breed that is “born gay.” Heck, half the lesbian world is right now attempting to convince their female friends to try out lesbianism. What does that mean, that “everybody was born gay”?
I had female university colleagues who actually thought it was their duty, as Progressive Thinkers, to go to bed with a woman as a transient revolutionary experience; otherwise, they might not truly understand the kernel of feminism. Biologically determined??
Oh my if only you people had lived through the late 60s-early 70s!
If sexual orientation were “biologically determined,” in the minds of activists, then revulsion against gay sex would also be biological, which bolsters the arguments of the most conservative minds. In fact, there would be a logical platform to begin “curing” gays and lesbians.
O, comrades-at-arms, this is too complex a thread already. I’ll stop there and renew my pledge not to return.
This in-fighting is distracting us on our focus. Personally, I have nothing against gays or lesbians as it does not affect me who goes to bed with whom. Nobody has to be PC but everyone is entitled to his opinion. Our disagreements need to give way to a higher cause which is besides the point of us being here in the first place.
Interesting …
Vliet Tiptree’s Blog has changed (see link).
http://avoiceforcreepymen.blogspot.com/
Before it had six postings and a previous comment to me has changed.
Can others confirm?
I can’t confirm anything because I wasn’t following this topic as much.
I just want to comment on her label. I’d expected more from her. I expected some higher level shaming tactics.
Is “creepy unemployed men” the best she can do? I kinda feel sorry for her, well, well not quite, but you know what I mean.
I looked over her blog some more. She really is a rank amateur.
She takes comments from this post and puts shaming projections and ad-hominems on top of each… But she’s so bad at it (and repetitive) that it’s sad to watch.
I swear, at moments I felt like helping her out, she’s that bad.
Correct, Mr Novy. She is the kind of woman whose brain has been scrambled by endless pandering. She can only function in an echo chamber where only “like-minded womyn” are permitted to comment.
Decades of spewing unchallenged misandry has turned her into a parody of feminism, albeit a dangerous one whose violent fantasies have decended beneath acceptable boundaries of propriety and taste.
Reading her anti-blog is to wallow in unbridled buffoonery and paranoia. I agree that it is, ultimately, sad.
Just had a look at that page. It is just one big ad hominem. It doesn’t address any of the issues raised.
I confirm. Her silly temper tantrum did change. Along with the format of parts of the blog.
At the end she says the usual thing “blah, blah…..blah, blah, blah…..lawyers”
Thanks All.
I have a saved web archive from last night 11pm Au EST , it has 6 posts listed in the side bar, Up to episode 6 of “Creepy blah balh” , unfortunately did not save each of the linked pages. Should be in a cache or archive somewhere.
PMSL, thanks Tim. Love her misinterpretation.
Especially her claim that I am “committing a tort”.
I’ll gladly give the psycho my personal info should she wish to try taking it to court here and then I’ll have her also on the no-fly list. It pays to save unaltered her own comments calling for culls of men because they are men.
I am starting to think she is very unhinged beyond just the hatred. Still, mental illness is no excuse for her behaviour.
Also, I noticed her arguments don’t even address the meat of the quotes she uses. I feel sorry for anyone that retained her as a lawyer being that inadequate at debate. She is a one trick pony that seems only able to resort to hate/insults as her argument.
Raven ironically falsely accusing you of commiting a tort is also a tort by slander.
Yes she has changed her blog, there were previously 6 posts addressing chosen comments here in a mocking fashion.
She could have directed her readers to this blog, which is public-access, using a simple link.
Instead, she blares her own neuroses in 14-pt boldface, over each and every one, from the one-liner to the 700-word post. I must say, this artifact is worthy of a Fulbright for its research potential.
One similar narcissist, a woman manager I had, used to run meetings that way. Some colleague would say, “What do you think of the strategic plan?” and the manager would tell us what to think. The next person would say, “we need a new coffee machine,” and the manager would immediately jump on that.
Her blog has now been taken down?
She made it so you have to login to blogspot to see it. Maybe she wants to collect our email addresses
Ah alright perfect, I suppose I’ll need to find some other source of entertainment than her oh so witty dissection of comments left here.
No, but she has just created her own echo chamber.
Did anyone take screenshots of her vitriol? If so, can you please link them here as I have less than no desire to try to plead a membership to her insane asylum to see what has occurred.
Thanks in advance.
Check posts by Krazie in the comments for the articles on this topic. He has put links to records of everything.
What site or blog is everyone talking about? Is this the avoiceforcreepymen one that you have to ask for an invite to? Would love to see it if it is, but I’m not about to let the psycho have my e-mail addy in exchange.