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$1,000.00 reward for real identity of Vliet Tiptree

During the recent flurry of activity around the debate, which will thankfully end in two days, JtO and I have scheduled a vigorous round of activism regarding CafeMom and the pro-misandry, pro-violence, pro-sexual mutilation blogging in that forum.  We will be following through with that beginning on Sunday.

But as times would have it, we have come upon an even more egregious example of bigotry from another feminist blogger. In fact, this one makes Nicole Fabian-Weber quickly pale into insignificance (though we are not done with her).

Some of you have undoubtedly already heard of what is going on at a blog called Radfem Hub, a Radical Feminist Collective Blog.  Up on that site right now, by a writer calling herself Vliet Tiptree, is nothing less than a fledgling manifesto calling for extermination of half the human race; the male half, that is. Oh, and she has a plan. A real plan.

I am linking you to the blog post here (read it very carefully), but the short of it is that Tiptree is advocating premeditated and orchestrated violent destruction of men and boys in purely Hitleresque fashion. In her call to action, she seeks “resolution” as compared to the better known term “final solution.”  She, and I must admit with some skill, skirts around specifics that would justify her immediate arrest for conspiracy, but the intent is more than crystal clear.

After taking her readers through accounts of what she cites as justifiable criminal acts by women in the name of suffrage, and invoking the extremes in rationale of ideologues like Sheila Jeffrys, she lays down a significant bombshell. To wit:

Our Emphasis on Fundamental Change.  We have moved beyond palliation (negotiation, mediation, reform, compromise, engagement with the System) to exploring effective means of extirpating male pathology, including being open to biological explanations and treatment of such psychopathy. We are concerned with the overall structure of male oppression. We are open to going wherever the evidence and experience lead us.

And then she closes the diatribe with this particular nugget

As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification. I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy.

Apparently her writing had the intended effect. Take a look at this comment that appeared under her post. And you might want to look at the others as well.

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Also, another feminist blogger has taken a liking to her virulent message. She goes by Sargasso Sea, and has a blog bearing the interesting name, Radical Resolution.

The comments on her blog are equally riddled with sadistic, pro-violence sentiments. Even more, it is clear from the ideas expressed in her post that she has intentions to network this through the internet with other radicals of similar mentality and to exploit their connections to feminist ideologues already placed within the standing establishment power structure. In short, this is, while quite insane, laid out within a strategic plan.  There is nothing satirical about it.

The time for analysis of this growing problem is over and the time to take serious action on it commences immediately. Therefore, AVfM is now offering a $1,000.00 cash award (or donate it to the charity of your choice)  to whoever can provide us with verifiable information of Vliet Tiptrees real identity, including her name, residential address, place and address of employment, name of spouse if applicable, and images and any other information that may be used to bring her identity and location into public view.

Those seeking to claim the reward will be aware that  Vliet Tiptree’s real world identity and all available personal information will be posted to this site and otherwise distributed on the internet. Additionally, AVfM will print posters that contain real her name, image, online identity, quotes and the factual declaration that she is a threat to her community. We will also work with other MRA’s close enough to her location to distribute those posters directly in her residential neighborhood and at her place of employment if applicable.

If no MRA’s are available in her area, we will travel wherever she is to execute the plan.

In order to support this effort we are asking MRA’s for pledges of financial backing. What that essentially means is if you want to support this effort, just post that here, or email me with the specific dollar amount of your pledge.  We will only call in those pledges if and when we confirm that information received is accurate and valid. I am not comfortable committing funds already donated to this site for general operations, so I will personally incur any expense on this that is not defrayed by specified pledges.

Regardless of the level of backing, AVfM is going through with this effort.

Please email to avoiceformen@yahoo.com or at john@johntheother.com

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  • justicer

    So Medusa has been i.d.’ed, and it practices law, but not in the Isle of Lesbos but some CA suburb. I hope the offending diatribe gets circulated among the citizenry.

  • http://counterfem.blogspot.com Fidelbogen

    When this is all over, I think we might conclude in retrospect that it would have played out better if we had focussed more on exposing this shit, and less on saying things about it.

    That is what the rhetorical disciplinarian in me seems to be saying.

  • http://counterfem.blogspot.com Fidelbogen

    @VlietTiptree:

    I found your manCave/ukelele trope VERY offensive.

    Your words ought to be exposed to public notoriety if for no other reason than that.

  • justicer

    And thanks for the visuals of this Gorgon. Mizz OShaughnessy dresses to appeal to the very male necrophiliacs she scorns in print.

    I just saw a free translation (from GenderSpeek into English) of the offending rant, at least, of its principal offal. This may be useful, because ordinary people fall asleep after her 10th word of GenderSpeek, and they should all be aware of her ideas:
    ” We [her movement] have abandoned efforts to ease the pain of being in a world with men, efforts like working with them, to a position where we favor entirely curing the disease of being male. The best leads for that are biological (changing male hormones) and psychological re-programming. Genetics and social theory suggest that the male can cease to be man-like or conform to standard understandings of male preferences. This will be achieved by medical treatment. What kind of male-diminished future can we hope for? Some say all males can be eliminated; others suggest that we could tolerate an earth with only 10% men on it. I, however, think that we can genetically engineer masculinity out of men entirely, just as we genetically engineer our foods. In so doing, males will be pushed into a harmless corner where they sit in caves playing the ukelele, without bothering the superior and dominant female.”

    • nigeles175d

      She needs a reminder of people like David Reimer. This is done far too often, and always fails.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

      David Reimer (August 22, 1965 – May 4, 2004) was a Canadian man who was born as a healthy male, but was sexually reassigned and raised as female after his penis was accidentally destroyed during circumcision. Psychologist John Money oversaw the case and reported the reassignment as successful, and as evidence that gender identity is primarily learned. Academic sexologist Milton Diamond later reported that Reimer failed to identify as female since the age of 9 to 11, and that he began living as male at age 15. Reimer later went public with his story to discourage similar medical practices. Eventually he committed suicide, due to suffering years of severe depression, financial instability and a troubled marriage.

      In addition to his lifelong difficult relationship with his parents, Reimer had to deal with unemployment and the death of his brother Brian from an overdose of antidepressants in 2002. On May 2, 2004, his wife Jane told him she wished to temporarily separate. Reimer stormed out of the house. On May 5, Jane Reimer received a call from the police that they had located her husband but he did not want his location revealed. Two hours later they called again, informing her of his suicide. Reimer had returned home while she was out and retrieved a shotgun, sawing off its barrel before leaving. On that morning of May 5, he drove to the parking lot of a nearby grocery store, parked his car and fatally shot himself in the head.

      The report and subsequent book about Reimer influenced several medical practices and reputations, and even current understanding of the biology of gender. It supported the arguments of those who feel that prenatal and early-infantile hormones have a strong influence on brain differentiation, gender identity and perhaps other sex-dimorphic behavior.

  • justicer

    As an artifact of socialmedia and Reality Fantasy, this stuff is priceless.
    I have just clicked on Ms O’Shaun’s anti-web-site and seen the reprints she’s done of our comments, all bordered by growls and howls and scowls and shook jowls. All hers.
    Incomprehensible. Where are they delivering law degrees these days, in the shafts of dildos?

  • justicer

    Eoghan, I apologise for seeming to inject sexual orientation into this conversation. I came across this controversy while researching male-hatred as a lesbian obsession.
    It would be an odd heterosexual female who could write what Ms O’Shaun has written. But I suppose it’s theoretically possible.
    Other than that, I’d argue that lesbianism is NOT an orientation to any sort of sexuality but a symptom of mental disability, and a retreat from human society. But that conversation is for another day.

    • nigeles175d

      That POS is divorced (unfortunately she has a son), and doesn’t have a man. I think her situation has allowed her disgruntlement to fester and lead her down an irrational path based upon her emotional response. But I have little faith in psychology at this juncture anyhow.

      Whilst lesbians might dislike men sexually, no doubt they see a use for men practically. It is of note however that whilst many lesbians are feminists who appear to hate men and wish their extermination, homosexual men don’t seem to express the same hatred towards women as a sex, rather just the same frustration with their demonstrated irrationalities that heterosexual men experience from time to time. The worst it ever gets is an exhalation of the term “Women” followed by a sigh. Sometimes accompanied by a shake of the head. For that we’re told we’re misogynists.

      • http://aleknovy.com/ Alek Novy

        if the CPS is not a hypocritical organization, she needs to lose her son to the CPS.

        They take children from parents for much less

    • Eoghan

      You don’t seem to have injected sexual orientation into this conversation, to me you seem to be spamming the thread references to sexual orientation and now a sex toy. Earlier you said “all sorts of places in the Western World where an honest description of lesbian personality disorders will land you before a Tribunal.” yet you persist in doing that very thing, are you a plant of some kind, or just not thinking things through?
      You are also trying lead the reader to believe that the fact that BPD occurs more often in lesbian communities is something to do being lesbian rather than it being down to the fact that BPD occurs more often in women so a lesbian community might have a elevated incidence of BPD. I say forget about “dildos” and sexual orientation and stick to the more immediate issues.

      • Hayden Hanna

        Your chastisement of Justicer concerning his comments seems unwarranted. Discussions here do not need to be sanitized of sexual reference to be valid and worthy of dicussion. Feminism will not be defeated with MRAs who fear stepping off moral or, as seems to be the case here, politically correct highground. This comment is not meant as a slight to you, Eoghan. I respect and appreciate your activism.

        • Eoghan

          Hayden

          I think that you are misinterpreting my motive as being fear of stepping off PC high ground and Justicers misleading information, childish references to sex toys and provision of ammunition to our legal opponent to be commentary that is valid and worthy of discussion, in this context here.

          Questioning his willful provision of ammunition to our opponent is worthy of discussion, also is calling him out on the falsehoods in his post, IMO.

          It’s too late anyway, his comments have already been recorded, and weaponised.

  • James Huff

    I love it! That woman (yes, I said it again….) just refuses to amend her post to include my entire second comment! LMFAO. Instead, she places my third one up with the standard victim-ology “implied rape threat” treatment. What a hoot! I’m having more fun diggin under that woman’s (OH NO!) skin just for the hell of it now!

    So….uh……she can talk about genetically modifying masculinity out of existence and call it “light-hearted”, but I can’t make a funny about an invisible cock that a non-existent system might have? I say we all just post a bunch of nonsensical words and wait for her to claim some vast MRA conspiracy to abuse her by not telling her what it means.

    The more she responds to this, the greater the fool she will look……especially seeing as this supposedly “true” record of comments she has over there isn’t even complete.

    Oh–booo-whooo-whoo!

  • Tim Legere

    Does Star Trek provide enlightenment?

    I understand that Vliet Tiptree admires the writing of Alice Sheldon (a.k.a. James Tiptree Jr.) a Science Fiction writer (see link below).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tiptree,_Jr.

    As a Star Trek fan I recall two Next Generation episodes that remind me of some of the various approaches to the “Male Problem” discussed on the Radfem site.

    1. The Drumhead (Season 4 – Episode 95)
    2. The Outcast (Season 5 – Episode 117)

    Note: The following summarizes are from the book “Star Trek The Next Generation – The Continuing Mission” by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens.

    Drumhead

    An unexplained explosion onboard the Enterprise brings retired Admiral Norah Satie to the ship to investigate. Though the explosion is ultimately proven to be an accident, Satie continues to harass a crewman who Picard feels is innocent. Challenging Satie’s conclusions, the angry Admiral accuses Picard of treason. Picard’s rebuttal of her charges, using her own father’s words against her, provokes Satie to ruin her own career and ends the pointless search for phantom co-conspirators among Federation officers.

    Outcast

    Soren, a shuttle pilot of an androgynous species, becomes good friends with Riker when they work together to save survivors on board a missing shuttlecraft. Soren explains that her people, the J’naii, penalize those who have a sexual preference, by treating them with a brainwashing cure. Nevertheless, Soren admits that she has always had female tendencies, and is attracted to Ricker, who feels the same. When Soren’s people capture and try her, Riker attempts to defend Soren, to no avail. Riker’s and Worf’s attempt to rescue her is too late: Soren’s “cure” causes her to deny what developed between herself and Riker.

    Why did I pick these two episodes?

    1. Drumhead

    This one reminds me of McCarthyism and the fear created by it. Eventually, good people (risking alienation) stood up to this groundless prosecution. In my opinion, Males are now in a similar position in our time and society when they challenge Feminism.

    2. Outcast

    To me this episode suggests that some societies/groups are intolerant to differences. This “Techno-Treatment” (does it sound similar to “genetic modification of androgens”?) forces changes on individuals. As a Male, I believe that no such extreme and unwanted treatment is required (nor justified) to/for my sex.

    Thoughts? Comments?

    Note: I going to read some of Sheldon’s work and those that received the “James Tiptree Jr.” award. I enjoy a “good yarn”, even those that terrify me.

  • Momus

    I tried unsuccesfully several times today to post in response to that egregious Fairfax feminist propaganda.

    It is obviously heavily moderated; there were no dissenting opinions at all published.

    Despite my frustration at not getting an airing in papers
    (The Age and SMH) that I have submitted comment to for 30 years it was pleasing that the extent of their censorship directly correlates with the traction the MRM is getting.
    My stymied comments mentioned Register-Her.com and made specific reference to Valenti being an acknowledged bigot and misandrist. I am making it a mission to get Register-Her.com in any relevant blog comments I make.

    • http://avoiceformen.com KARMA MRA MGTOW

      Time for war.

      Fairfax can’t me putting up 20 posters tonight at Melbourne UNI.

  • http://avoiceformen.com KARMA MRA MGTOW

    Anyone that thinks the media is pro-democracy needs to take a read pill, or five.

  • http://avoiceformen.com KARMA MRA MGTOW

    Oh BTY I have contacted the FBI about Nicole Fabian-Weber.

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      Karma is my hero.

  • Muk

    LMAO!!!
    Did she respond to EVERY comment??
    and you can just imagine the vein bulging in her forehead by her responses
    Maybe she’ll die from a heart attack or an aneurysm or something

  • Eoghan

    This is our own doing. A minority of the mrm provide the material that’s used to justify the censorship and then we are forced to put time and resources into overcoming the censorship.

  • Muk

    Looks like they’ve closed the comments

  • Tim Legere

    Barbara Kay

    http://www.barbarakay.ca/index.php?searchword=misandry&ordering=&searchphrase=all&option=com_search

    I’m hopeful that Ms. Kay will want to help expose (in the Main Stream Media) the Radfem Hub site hatred and their proposed “Final Resolution”.

  • Rper1959

    A little blog I knocked up whilst watching the box with the family this evening.

    http://radfembigot.blogspot.com/

    • andybob

      Excellent work, Mr Rper1959. Such an erudite summation of this hate-monger’s dangerous and repellent bigotry. It is chilling what a plausable and placid persona she presents. Knowing what darkness lurks behind the honey sweet smiles of women like her is the stuff of nightmares.

      Having read her so-called counter-blog, it is stunningly clear that Ms O’Shaunnessy is a deeply disturbed individual. Her ‘counter-threats’ – if they can possibly be labelled as such – are infantile and further expose her as an extremist idealogue and a shameless liar.

      AVFM is witnessing the panic and hysteria of misandrists confronting the consequences of promoting violent bigotry. Stripped of their anonymity, these cowards are being exposed to the unforgiving glare of public scrutiny in a way they hadn’t anticipated.

      One wonders if Ms O’Shaunnessy’s son knows that his mother publicly advocates for his annihilation. He probably does. Awareness of their mothers’ murderous hatred of them explains a great deal about why young men are in such trouble these days. Feminism has much to answer for. But then, so do women like Pam O’Shaunnessy, for so thoroughly embracing an ideology which seeks to hurt, betray and ultimately destroy all men – including their own sons.

      Witnessing her erratic back-peddling, pointedly spiteful tirades and dark accusations (my, how easily false allegations of stalking, abuse, harrassment etc. fall from the lips of guilty women) is becoming a commonplace spectacle these days.

      She’s impotent. No-one lashes out like a surly pre-teen when they have a legal leg to stand on. They let the lawyers do all the talking. She can’t even counsel herself, otherwise she would not have commented so incautiously on her pseudo-blog. She’s been outed and exposed by people who are no longer willing to allow undisguised calls to violence to men go unchallenged.

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      Great work Rper.

      Klanswomyn statement 1)
      “…because treatments can be developed to mitigate the death-drive of men…”

      Klanswomyn statement 2)
      “A vision of a world with only 10% males is envisaged as utopian.”

      To recap:
      1) males have a “death-drive”
      2) female supremacist wants to kill or otherwise annihilate 40% of human flesh
      1) but males have a “death-drive”
      2) but female klanswomyn are conspiring to kill or eliminate 40% of human life
      1) klanswomyn are the scum and scourge of the earth
      2) yup, that would be correct.

      While extremely dangerous, the depth of rank stupidity and insanity that underlies female supremacists is an embedded fatal flaw. The expiration date on an entity of such dereliction is inherent.

  • justicer

    Rper, that’s an excellent blogsite you’ve done! congrats, and I hope it has an effect.
    Speaking of which, maybe it’s time for a public campaign to expose Ms [AKA] OShaughnessy, drag this lizzard into the daylight.
    For example, is it true that she’s a licenced lawyer? If so, aren’t there basic standards of public behavior that she’s required to respect?
    In other words, is a lawyer allowed to espouse genocidal policies towards boys and men? how can someone whose duty may include defending a male in an action or prosecution, publish this excrement?
    There’s a lot of random freedom out there, which is a good thing. But being an officer of a court of law implies certain restraints.
    If the answer is “she can’t,” then perhaps it’s time for a petition to have her disbarred. I don’t live in her particular jurisdiction; if I did, I’d be in the offices of her local Bar Assoc. demanding action.
    I’d love to see Rper start an on-line petition to achieve disbarment. Is it possible to disgrace the legal profession? A good question! however, perhaps we should let the public and the pro’s sort that out.

  • justicer

    From publicly accessed records:
    “Pamela June O’Shaunnessy” was admitted to the California bar in 1977, and is listed as ‘inactive’ but ‘eligible to become active’. She last changed her status to active in 2006; so she does keep her claw in the offal trough.
    Record: http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/77661
    Extracts from the Rules of the State Bar of California, and from the California Business & Professions Code, with respect to lawyers:
    1) To be admitted to the Bar, you must be of “good moral character.”
    2) From § 6068 Duties of Attorney
    It is the duty of an attorney to do … the following:
    (a) To support the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this state.
    (b) To maintain the respect due to the courts of justice and judicial officers.
    …and the list of other duties follow, and all are mandatory.
    refs:
    http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/SelectedLegalAuthority/TheStateBarAct.aspx
    http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=wlTymP-VbP8%3d&tabid=1333

  • justicer

    Eoghan, you’ve displayed a lot of animus toward me, rather than addressing the points I’ve made. That’s your privilege, but it doesn’t enhance your case. Seems to me that, in the ‘orientation’ controversies, you may have a dog in the hunt.
    I truly resent being told that I’m “spamming” or arming the enemy. This is an attempt to discredit me, rather than address the issues we men are fighting for. If you don’t appreciate the metaphors I use, then critique them rationally and logically.
    For the record, I haven’t been ad-feminem-ing “lesbians” to discredit them as a class, as you claim I have, nor can you make the analogies you desire to make, by equating “all men” and “all women” with the behavioral category called “lesbians.” MEN and WOMEN share humanity and the earth as a birthright. “Lesbianism” is a condition of the mind, not a sex/gender; it is to that condition, which has a record for LAUNCHING the war against men, and for being _inherently and violently anti-male_ that my speculations around Ms O’Shaunnessy’s orientation are addressed, NOT her biological class. So, yes, her putative sexual preference is relevant, although, as I confessed, not germane to the defense of men against her current predations – as I’ve freely said, but your resentment simmers.
    That’s the polite part. In truth, I should say that you yourself seem more like a GBLT advocate than any supporter of men’s rights.

    • Eoghan

      Address your points? You mean the one about the dildo, Beavis?And the false assertion about “lesbian personality disorders”, that are now being used to discredit what we are doing here? No I won’t be addressing those “points”.

  • justicer

    ah, thanks for the clarification Eoghan.
    Now, expand. To what extent do you feel that lesbians do not have personality disorders?
    Or, to put it another way, are free from phobia, persecution complex, delusion, mutilation fantasy, predatory urge, and sociopathy?

    • Eoghan

      There are people with BPD in every group, elevated numbers of people with BPD appear in lesbian communities because BPD is diagnosed more often in women. What you are trying to do here is exactly what feminism has done. ie. talking the characteristics and symptoms of BPD and stereotyping all lesbians with it. That’s exactly how they have slandered heterosexual masculinity, they took the behaviour of heterosexual men with PD, and called it heterosexual masculinity. Posting your bigotry here, lets us all down.

  • justicer

    This won’t continue, I promise, but I have to put the question to Eoghan.
    Ok, here goes. The “gender identity” industry (faculty of arts, all colleges) has asserted, for the past 20 years, that all “sex” and all “gender” are NOT biologically determined. On the contrary, they are “socially constructed.” In other words, the words, deed, actions, attitudes, this is what constitutes the meaning of “lesbian.”
    Many leading advocates of this view are academic lesbians, as everyone knows.
    Therefore, to respect the above epistemology, we must admit that lesbian activism; lesbian private opinions; the presence of lesbian lawyers in the divorce industry; the writings of lesbians against heterosexuality; lesbian self-identity;, and Lesbian-Feminist hatreds as a whole define the word lesbian.
    In other words, it isn’t nature that gives us lesbianism, and it’s not some neutral class.
    It follows, then, that much of the war against men is a lesbian construct. On that basis, how could we exclude the L word from our discussion of men’s rights?

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      I thought that the “gender identity” industry insisted that sexual orientation was biologically determined. I don’t know if that it is true but there really isn’t any evidence that it is a personality disorder or sociopathy. While there may be lesbians within feminism, I don’t really see any evidence that it is a lesbian construct.

      Some women are feminists because they were bored housewives and blamed their husbands for all their own failures in life. Some women are feminists because they were hurt by some men and blame all men. Some women are feminists simply because they believe the myths of oppression propagated by other feminists. The L word is not even substantiated in relation to Vliet Tipree, much less the power structures of organized feminism.

  • migu

    Guys, you beat a tar baby by moving around it.

    It’s too late to retract the bounty. There is still a possibility a criminal judge will dismiss this as frivolous. A civil case is a guarantee if she moves forward. She is offering a ceasefire. It’s veiled, but it’s there. That is called “good faith” You need a lawyer that has been retained.

    That can still be won, if you keep your mouths shut.

    I’m not saying this to be an asshole. Take a look at who has disengaged.

    Read her blog again, pay attention to the warnings. I’ve ignored mine this time.

    A bounty was posted here, she has not skipped bail. You can post a bounty, but you have to do it the right way.

    I’m not allowed to advise, I am not a lawyer, and I haven’t passed any bars. I’ve been through shit like this at the state and federal levels.

    You can’t breach this obstacle. You are going to have to go around it.

    Sorry for all the yous I’ve been conversing in another language lately that has a plural version of the word.

    I know I sound I like I’m lecturing kids. That is not my intention. My intention is to tell you this isn’t a fun game, this can get really serious really fast, and you are dealing with a person who can probably call in favors from very powerful people.

    Act in Good Faith. Look up the legal definition. If you do that she has to fight fair.

    • scatmaster

      Exactly. We move ahead. I have already informed the literary columnist at one of the local newspapers here which is affiliated with a cross Canada chain that I have some news on a “best selling” author who advocates male genocide. He seems interested. I am waiting on the next steps. Of course informing friends and family as well with the concrete evidence.

  • justicer

    Ok, at least Migu seems genuinely to want us to win; I can’t comment on his legal advice.
    Other than that, I won’t post again. So, final comment. It’s astonishing to hear “personality disorder” equated with manic-depressive disorder, as our Eoghan has done, sort of to dismiss my concern and shut me up. Also astonishing is that the offender, Ms O’Shaunnessy, has screamed “homophobia!” on her anti-site (citing me) and this is supposed to cow you all into silence about lesbianisms.
    Folks, I’ve been around the gender wars for more than 35 years, and I’ve got to tell you, non-heterosexuality is not exactly opaque to me either. You have no depth on where the war against men comes from, how depraved this woman is, and what you have to address. Your entire struggle against Ms O’Shaunessy is IDEOLOGICAL. Political; social. Do you understand what I’m saying? Sure, her rant was an implied threat to all men. But it’s nothing more than a fascistic speculation, that’s all it is.
    So: she’s outed herself as a fanatic. She should be labelled as such. Discredit her in the polite circles she wishes to move in. Finally, Speak truth to power.

    • Eoghan

      As anyone can read in the comments, I didn’t equate personality disorder with manic depressive disorder. You equated personality disorder with lesbianism and said something nonsensical about a dildo – and gave this opponent some useful ammunition to use against AVfM.

  • justicer

    As anyone can read in your comments, you are NOT here to be tactically helpful to men, Eoghan, or worried about “some useful ammunition against AVfM.” Unlike PC-controlled media, we debate things openly among men. And any discussion of the hate-male movement involves its lesbian leadership.
    I find you have way too much pro-lesbian ammo of your own. Who’s your ideological mistress?

    • Eoghan

      So you’re going to just continue making things up. I’m just going leave you to it, you and your dildos and your fairy tales.

      • justicer

        Eoghan, get an old-fashioned education.
        Once done, you will understand irony, indirection, and elipsis, the things you have taken literally in my posts.
        These are age-old rhetorical devices; sneered at, I suppose, by the earnest mafia who marked your latest papers.
        Now to reply to Denis. Thanks, D., for writing a real enquiry.
        To respond to “I thought that the “gender identity” industry insisted that sexual orientation was biologically determined.” No, no way. There is no consensus among the militants that sexual preference is pre-ordained, or that gays are a special breed that is “born gay.” Heck, half the lesbian world is right now attempting to convince their female friends to try out lesbianism. What does that mean, that “everybody was born gay”?
        I had female university colleagues who actually thought it was their duty, as Progressive Thinkers, to go to bed with a woman as a transient revolutionary experience; otherwise, they might not truly understand the kernel of feminism. Biologically determined??
        Oh my if only you people had lived through the late 60s-early 70s!
        If sexual orientation were “biologically determined,” in the minds of activists, then revulsion against gay sex would also be biological, which bolsters the arguments of the most conservative minds. In fact, there would be a logical platform to begin “curing” gays and lesbians.
        O, comrades-at-arms, this is too complex a thread already. I’ll stop there and renew my pledge not to return.

        • Grey Knight

          This in-fighting is distracting us on our focus. Personally, I have nothing against gays or lesbians as it does not affect me who goes to bed with whom. Nobody has to be PC but everyone is entitled to his opinion. Our disagreements need to give way to a higher cause which is besides the point of us being here in the first place.

  • Tim Legere

    Interesting …

    Vliet Tiptree’s Blog has changed (see link).

    http://avoiceforcreepymen.blogspot.com/

    Before it had six postings and a previous comment to me has changed.

    Can others confirm?

    • http://aleknovy.com/ Alek Novy

      I can’t confirm anything because I wasn’t following this topic as much.

      I just want to comment on her label. I’d expected more from her. I expected some higher level shaming tactics.

      Is “creepy unemployed men” the best she can do? I kinda feel sorry for her, well, well not quite, but you know what I mean.

      • http://aleknovy.com/ Alek Novy

        I looked over her blog some more. She really is a rank amateur.

        She takes comments from this post and puts shaming projections and ad-hominems on top of each… But she’s so bad at it (and repetitive) that it’s sad to watch.

        I swear, at moments I felt like helping her out, she’s that bad.

        • andybob

          Correct, Mr Novy. She is the kind of woman whose brain has been scrambled by endless pandering. She can only function in an echo chamber where only “like-minded womyn” are permitted to comment.

          Decades of spewing unchallenged misandry has turned her into a parody of feminism, albeit a dangerous one whose violent fantasies have decended beneath acceptable boundaries of propriety and taste.

          Reading her anti-blog is to wallow in unbridled buffoonery and paranoia. I agree that it is, ultimately, sad.

    • phatPhuk

      Just had a look at that page. It is just one big ad hominem. It doesn’t address any of the issues raised.

    • James Huff

      I confirm. Her silly temper tantrum did change. Along with the format of parts of the blog.

      At the end she says the usual thing “blah, blah…..blah, blah, blah…..lawyers”

    • Tim Legere

      Thanks All.

    • Rper1959

      I have a saved web archive from last night 11pm Au EST , it has 6 posts listed in the side bar, Up to episode 6 of “Creepy blah balh” , unfortunately did not save each of the linked pages. Should be in a cache or archive somewhere.

    • Raven01

      PMSL, thanks Tim. Love her misinterpretation.
      Especially her claim that I am “committing a tort”.
      I’ll gladly give the psycho my personal info should she wish to try taking it to court here and then I’ll have her also on the no-fly list. It pays to save unaltered her own comments calling for culls of men because they are men.
      I am starting to think she is very unhinged beyond just the hatred. Still, mental illness is no excuse for her behaviour.
      Also, I noticed her arguments don’t even address the meat of the quotes she uses. I feel sorry for anyone that retained her as a lawyer being that inadequate at debate. She is a one trick pony that seems only able to resort to hate/insults as her argument.

      • Ullere

        Raven ironically falsely accusing you of commiting a tort is also a tort by slander.

    • Ullere

      Yes she has changed her blog, there were previously 6 posts addressing chosen comments here in a mocking fashion.

  • justicer

    She could have directed her readers to this blog, which is public-access, using a simple link.
    Instead, she blares her own neuroses in 14-pt boldface, over each and every one, from the one-liner to the 700-word post. I must say, this artifact is worthy of a Fulbright for its research potential.
    One similar narcissist, a woman manager I had, used to run meetings that way. Some colleague would say, “What do you think of the strategic plan?” and the manager would tell us what to think. The next person would say, “we need a new coffee machine,” and the manager would immediately jump on that.

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  • Ullere

    Her blog has now been taken down?

    • http://aleknovy.com/ Alek Novy

      She made it so you have to login to blogspot to see it. Maybe she wants to collect our email addresses

      • Ullere

        Ah alright perfect, I suppose I’ll need to find some other source of entertainment than her oh so witty dissection of comments left here.

    • scatmaster

      No, but she has just created her own echo chamber.

  • Sean Gonzalez

    Did anyone take screenshots of her vitriol? If so, can you please link them here as I have less than no desire to try to plead a membership to her insane asylum to see what has occurred.

    Thanks in advance.

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      Check posts by Krazie in the comments for the articles on this topic. He has put links to records of everything.

  • B.A.

    What site or blog is everyone talking about? Is this the avoiceforcreepymen one that you have to ask for an invite to? Would love to see it if it is, but I’m not about to let the psycho have my e-mail addy in exchange.

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