Child punishment

Who taught you to hate yourself?

I have no words of my own I could possibly use to express myself more eloquently than the following few lines taken from the work of an unknown poet:

Men my age are all the same
They hate themselves & feel ashamed
For what they are & cannot change

Little heads filled up with lies
Raised only to apologize
For thousand-year conspiracies
In gender-studies histories

These words, written by L. Byron [1], had a profound effect on me when I first read them. Although I chose to use them as the opening to my latest video production, I ultimately wanted to take a different approach to communicating the men’s rights issue than simply documenting yet more injustices to men and boys in society.

In the video, below, I am attempting to showcase—without compromise to the feminist narrative—the positive traits of men and those aptitudes which are typically male. I do hope you like it.

Although it was not my intention at the outset, I took inspiration from the words of Malcom X and used them to help define the message I wanted to convey. I make no apology for this. His legacy is a checkered one and, according to many, his philosophy was one of racism, black supremacy, and violence. I can’t justify many of the views he preached and don’t intend to try, but I would like to give you this quote [2], which were his words shortly before his death in 1965:

I realized racism isn’t just a black and white problem. It’s brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.

Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn’t a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I’ve lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I’m sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man’s entitled to make a fool of himself if he’s ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.

That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I’m glad to be free of them.

In fact, toward the end of his life, Malcolm X retracted and apologised for many of his preachings. I’ve learned for myself that many people are unable to do this; many would rather defend their delusion than face reality. In the end, Malcolm X was willing to own his mistakes and admit them. He paid for that with his life.

He was a radical, but I say he was also a humanitarian who lived in extreme times in history. And whatever you think of some of his earlier views, to a people used to accepting low human worth, his message was a hugely powerful one, as demonstrated by the following extract from a speech in Los Angeles in 1962:

Who taught you to hate the color of your skin? Who taught you to hate the texture of your hair? Who taught you to hate the color of your skin, to such extent that you bleach to get like the white man? Who taught you to hate the shape of your nose and the shape of your lip? Who taught you to hate yourself, from the top of your head to the soles of your feet? Who taught you to hate your own kind? Who taught you to hate the race that you belong to—so much so that you don’t want to be around each other? No… Before you come asking Mr. Muhammad does he teach hate, you should ask yourself who taught you to hate being what God made you.

Malcolm X helped to demolish the negative stereotyping of black people, ultimately equipping them with the tools with which to build their own perception of self-worth.

Is it possible that we could do this for ourselves? Is it possible that we can start to believe in ourselves once more?

This is so important and so worthwhile because the systematic negative stereotyping of males is no longer restricted to adult men, but is now common place in the classroom. Our feminised education system, and wider society, teaches young boys that all the good things in the world are about women, and all the bad things are about them. Many boys, especially those lacking fathers, have come to understand that this world has no place for them. Their natural path is to drop out and fall into drugs, gangs, isolation, alcoholism and suicide.

I knew a man recently, an alcoholic, who’s only ambition was to own a large screen TV. While visiting him at home, I commented on why he had a rag hanging from the letter box of his front door. He explained that it was flapping in the wind and he had stuffed a rag in there to try and silence it. A moment or two later, he added, “I’ve been calling the council for months and months to come out and fix it, but they never do.”

Naturally, I asked him why he didn’t just fix it himself, and the wounded and confused look he gave me in reply told me a great deal about his upbringing. I withdrew myself from his company, while he continued to spend his days in front of the TV, drinking cider from a plastic bottle, hoping that someone would come and save him.

Then one day, I saw social services clearing out his house. I don’t know what happened to him.

Likewise, many men who find themselves in desperate situations, often in connection with family courts, cling to the hope that if only people could see what was happening to them—if only everyone knew just how bad things were—somebody will be outraged and something will be done. What they fail to grasp, but we’ve come to understand, is that society does not care about men.

No one is coming to save them.

No one is coming to save us. The pendulum is not going to swing back unless we are prepared to swing it. It’s up to ourselves to do the saving.

In my own way, this is the message I’m trying to convey in the video. I wanted to produce something that tells us about ourselves—something that reminds us all, myself included, just what it is that we really are, and not what we have been told all our lives.

A man’s life has never been about privilege; it’s historically been about hard-work, responsibility and sacrifice. It’s also historically been about providing for and protecting women and children. We are not useless, stupid, brutish oafs and emotional reptiles.

Far from it…

It was the toil of men—that of our fathers and grandfathers—that built the industry, the railways, the water and sewage systems that lifted millions, if not billions, out of subsistence level poverty. It is typically the male sex that is willing to shoulder the risk and endure the suffering necessary to push back human boundaries for the benefit of others. It is typically the male left-brain psyche that is the inventive one, the one to gaze at the heavens and to have the inclination to go there.

Young boys deserve a better future than that of a sperm donor and a walking cash machine, only to be cast aside when of no more use. They are human beings, not the pack animals of the human race.

No schoolboy should ever have to sit in class while his teacher makes him feel responsible for all the wrongs perpetrated throughout history, or makes him feel worthless and inadequate, or tells him that his gender harms the other and that women will need protecting from him when he gets older. This should be seen for what it is, nothing other than an ideologue abusing her position as a teacher in order to deliver dehumanising classroom propaganda to children. That’s misandry, miss!

We need to drive a positive dialogue about males, not just one of injustice and suffering. We must teach men and boys the truth about themselves if they are ever build their own identity free of feminism’s stigmatising invective.

Reference
1. Feminists Killed Kurt Cobain, L. Byron. TriggerAlert.BlogSpot.com
2. Parks, Gordon, “Malcolm X: The Minutes of Our Last Meeting”, Clarke, p.122

About Andy Thomas (aka "Andy Man")

Andy is an outspoken advocate for men's human rights and a campaigner against family abuse. He writes about the harm and prejudice that men and boys routinely experience, but which society refuses to acknowledge.

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  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

    Coffee and tears this morning. And gratitude.

  • Kimski

    That was just…Beautiful.
    Thank you.

  • http://www.wildmanproject.ca BrianC

    I have been an avid reader of A Voice for Men for just under two years. There have been things shared on that website that have changed my mind, opened me to new ideas, and broke my heart. But few things on AVfM have been nearly as moving to me as this video. I finally had to come out of lurking to show my gratitude.

    I write a self-help blog for Men, and today, I am going to share this to my readers, because I feel it will do more for many of them than my words could.

    Andy Man, you have brought tears to my eyes, and stirred feelings and memories I have left undisturbed for a long time. This is why I write the blog, and run the business I run: This is the change I want to see in the world. A place where Men are no longer taught to hate themselves, no longer huddled alone in empty houses and cold apartments facing inner demons without guidance.

    A place where a husband and father is a honoured figure, rather than a clownish Homer Simpson or Al Bundy. A place where little boys still tell wild-eyed dreams of being fighter-jet pilots, athletes, and superheroes, rather than being ground down into quiet brooding. Where every Man has a friend or mentor he can reach out to who will walk him through the hardest parts of his life with silent, solid acceptance.

    Thank you.

    • http://www.mralondon.org Andy Man

      Glad you liked it.

      • http://salientsight.com/ergot/ limeywestlake

        We don’t like it, Andy. We love it.

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Thank you for introducing yourself here. We are most pleased to have you.

      • http://www.wildmanproject.ca BrianC

        It is my pleasure to be here, Mr. Elam. I’ve been following religiously ever since I first heard you speak at the Ultimate Men’s Summit the Summer before Last. You really blew my mind that day. I’ve been meaning to get online and get active in commenting here for months.

  • James Williams

    A fantastically inspiring video. Well produced, emotional and engaging. Huge gratitude for putting this together.

    • Bombay

      Yes, Andy Man. Very inspiring! Thank you.

  • gateman

    Thank you. We should all be proud to be men.

  • Andres

    Thank you.
    This is the very core of why I am here.

  • Coriolanus

    I can but applaud.

  • malcolm

    Thank you for this Andyman.

    It is so rare that I ever see the nature of men and boys portrayed in a positive light, that this brought tears to my eyes.

    The system that demonizes us has no clue what it stands to lose. When men are encouraged and treated with respect, there are very few things that we can’t accomplish.

  • James Huff

    This is beautiful. It’s rare that I am moved to tears, but today is that day. Thank you, Andy Man.

  • feeriker

    Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

  • Aimee McGee

    Andyman, I’m speachless at your tallent. I had some idea, but this is beyond what I knew.

    I want to see this played on the BBC or Channel 4 on International Men’s Day. How, I don’t know. But that’s what I want to see.

    As a woman, I watched it with tears of gratitude to all the things that men bring into my life. I’m figuring this might be a way of starting the MRA conversation with my brother.

    • http://salientsight.com/ergot/ limeywestlake

      Maybe this video can be posted again, here, at the very least, on International Men’s Day – so that when I hear Obama go on and on again about the scourge of modern fatherhood, I can play this and aright my emotions.

  • Edward Jessup

    Thank you for this… you have rendered me speechless.

    Keeping this in my reserve file for my son when he’s older.

  • herman melville

    Back in August, the NYT ran a stupider-than-usual op-ed entitled “Men, Who Needs Them?” The thesis was that, since men are less required for reproduction than are women, men aren’t needed at all, except for women’s entertainment.

    The writer is an academic, so I found his email address and invited him to participate in an execise. I suggested he take a week of his life (Spring Break, perhaps) and simply do without everything that had been created, invented, designed, built, developed, engineered, etc. by men. He couldn’t live in a house or occupy a building, couldn’t drive a car, eat food from a market, use a computer, listen to music, get water from a public source, use a pre-made weapon to kill game, use money, seek the protection of the legal system, police, etc. I allowed him to wear clothing since he’d get arrested if he didn’t.

    He never responded. Surprise! Still, I think it’s an exercise worth recommending to those who manage not to notice that essentially everything in their lives they consider worthwhile is a product of almost exclusively masculine endeavor.

  • keyster

    Inspiring!

    A celebration of men, without even a gratuitious nod to women (like those clips of Amelia Earhart and the original suffregettes marching through the streets or a Gloria Steinem press conference), seems strangely unsettling…because political correctness demands equal shrift for unequal contribution.

    This is meant to demean women and effect girls “esteem”, which you aren’t permitted to do. They’re falsely priming the pump of social justice, and you seek to unprime all that “work”, implying men might have done more of something at one time.

    You know, there were women (and “minorities”) behind all those great men, but they were kept subverted, behind the scenes and their ideas were stolen by these men. This is what my Gender Studies Proff told me, so it must be true.

    • Raegus

      Some of those great men WERE “minorities”.

  • SolitaryMan

    Powerful!

    Also reminds me of an old Carly Simon song:

    My friends from college they’re all married now
    They have their houses and their lawns
    They have their silent noons
    Tearful nights, angry dawns
    Their children hate them for the things they’re not
    They hate themselves for what they are
    And yet they drink, they laugh
    Close the wound, hide the scar

  • harrywoodape

    Really great things coming out of MRALondon.
    I silently cried when I saw the picture of the young lad in the corner and read the title. It reminds me of me, my son, and all the innocent boys that deserve a better life.
    I think this is a very important and necessary part of men’s rights – men helping men heal.
    You know the system has no interest or resources to help men redeem their self worth…so it’s up to us to give our brothers a lift up. I’m in Calgary Alberta Canada and I am interested in setting up a regular support group for men in the area and connecting with MRAs all over the world.

    • http://www.NewDemocracyWorld.org Dopesauce42

      Watsup Harry,

      What succes have you had with setting up the support group? I agree, that kind of group, and the conversations and actions that can come out of it, are definitely needed in the MHRM. I’m in Boston, and about to advertise a discussion group, see where that goes. -Peace

  • corbyworld

    Wonderful article, truly moving. Thank you Andy Man.

    In case anyone is interested, here is the entire poem by Laudanum Byron on youtube. Check out his channel for more of his work, including a song etitled: The Hatred Of Women.

    Feminists killed Kurt Cobain

    • Steveyp333

      Ahh, the full poem is lovely

      And how appropriate to include that famous photo of Richey Edwards – another stunningly talented male artist cut down by gendered self loathing.

      You only need to look at the lyrics to ‘of walking abortion’ (all men are born defective) or ‘Little baby nothing’ (all men are abusers) to see evidence of extremely potent feminist brainwashing, and just how much pain the ideas were causing him.

      a very very sad story :(

      • http://www.triggeralert.blogspot.com/ L. Byron

        You’re the first person to have pointed that out Stevey, I may have to send you a prize. Richey Manic is far less well-known than Kurt Cobain (especially in the U.S) but his suicide a year after Kurt’s is evidence of male gender-based self-hate being a generational phenomenon, rather than some isolated freak occurrence. Both men were indoctrinated by feminist beliefs in their formative years, & came to see everyone of their own sex as a problem needing to be solved. For a male holding radical feminist beliefs (such as “Patriarchy”, “Rape Culture”, “Male Privilege”, etc) suicide inevitably comes to seem the only solution for men of good conscience.

        And, being men of conviction & integrity, they inevitably ended up doing what they believed to be right.

  • scatmaster

    Stunning piece.

    I will be posting it to my personal Facebook page which I have never posted anything involving the mens rights movement before.

    One question I have before doing so and maybe I am just thick.

    Before the excerpt from the poem it states the author is unknown.

    Yet after the poem you state it was written by L. Byron.

    Want to be clear on this point before I out myself as an MRA on my person FB page.

    Moved me to tears as well.

  • http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot.com Suz

    Beautiful.

    It’s a little dusty in here.

    Watching the video, I imagined (shrill) female voices saying, “Well, we can do all those things, but we’ve always been forbidden…” Yes Ladies, a teeny tiny minority of us can do most of those things, but no Ladies, we haven’t always been forbidden. Throughout history, a tiny handful of women have managed to accomplish some of the same things that billions and billions of men do, as naturally as they breathe.

    Got that Grrrlz? As naturally as they breathe.

    • Kimski

      “As naturally as they breathe.”

      I would even go so far as to say, that in most cases it’s a question of not being able to stop doing it. I know a lot of guys that will pick any mechanical or electronic device apart, just to find out how they are working. It’s the same kind of men that will look at a new concept, and immediately look for ways to improve or make it more interesting, without even giving it a second thought.

      With the moonlandings it has become an ability that transcends both space and time, and the Apollo 13 crew would never had made it back to earth without it. Only a being with that kind of ability could have made the leap from space age technology to duct tape and cardboard in a split second.

      If we can come up with an idea, we can make it into something real. It really doesn’t matter if it’s a pyramid, a wall extending 5,500 miles, or a space station 220 miles above Earth’s surface.

      What an amazing creature Man is..

      Recently a woman managed to write a book called:
      “How To Go Without Make-up For A Year.”
      The response from the male frontier are expected to be something along the lines of:
      “Ho-humm…”

  • Kris

    Very moving and relevant material.

    “This should be seen for what it is, nothing other than an ideologue abusing her position as a teacher in order to deliver dehumanising classroom propaganda to children.” –
    My son is 14 and in high school. His 9th grade English teacher’s assignments go something like below (I can’t remember all of them, but I remember all of them are feminist indoctrination) –
    a) Why are women stereotyped either as cunning villains or helpless damsels in fairy tale movies of Hollywood?
    b) Why history books rarely mention women’s contributions to the society?
    c) Why are less females represented in the higher management positions in industry?
    On these topics, kids barely 14, are required to write persuasive essays. I told my son the other side of the story -as in, in fairy tales how men are also stereotyped as knights in shining armor or devilish, brutish beasts; and how real history is the story of large scale men’s slaughter but never told on those lines; and how men are more competitive by nature and on an average put in more hours at work than women on average; etc etc. He understands my perspective, but refuses ever to put those perspectives in his persuasive essays, because he knows not only he wouldn’t persuade his blinkered teacher, but in fact would be penalized for his heretic argument. At least, I know as he grows up, he would have internalized the other side of the story, the truth!

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/ KARMA MRA MGTOW

      This is why I now include secondary schools on my poster and sticker runs.

  • Not buying it

    @Andy
    simply awesome & inspiring reminder to keep the faith, specially when you are living in a soul crushing, men (bad, awful, rapists ,..etc) kind of environment , I will fight for my right as a male human being regardless of what they throw at me.

  • http://counterfem.blogspot.com Fidelbogen

    I am very, very sad to say that feminism has crippled men and turned women into shit. It has been a raw deal for all concerned.

    • Stu

      “turned women into shit”

      That’s the spirit. If you can’t beat us, join us :)

  • http://pathologicallyunpc.wordpress.com/ AzureBlue

    Moving video Andy, it really is, such a positive message. It’s going to be my life’s work to make sure my son’s soak up that message.

  • http://manamongoaks.com/index.html Ray

    A nicely done and educational video, and article. A tip of the hat to you sir, and may I have another red pill, please. :-)

  • Tawil

    This was a truly inspirational piece, Andyman. Who taught us to hate ourselves? Who taught us how to perpetually do out of an internalized sense of shame, but failed to teach us how to be?

    This question strikes at the root.

    There is a wonderful article from the long deceased British child psychiatrist Donald D Winnicott telling how males learn to contribute so productively into society. He says we do it out of a heightened sense of concern that we have hurt people in the past, or might hurt people in the future, that we are by nature aggressive and therefore potentially destructive creatures. Therefore our ‘contributing in’ to society amounts to an apology, an unconscious atonement to rid ourselves of a nagging sense of shame about how horrible we are. The constant doing we males engage in is often done to counteract that burden of shame, to lighten the load for a minute and enable us to say ‘I’m really a good boy, see what i just did?”.

    What would happen to us if we just stopped our perpetual doing, if we said no to our internalized sense of shame, and began to learn the art of being? Being is the ability to say “I AM,” just as I am, without being a slave to women or society. It’s the ability to be with a friend, to be with your family, to be in a city or in a nature scene, or to be with oneself in a hammock, or in a rocking-chair reading or smoking a pipe like old Grandpa did. We can also ‘be’ the recipient of gifts and attentions just like women are taught to be because they are inherently “worth it” without any responsibilities required to deserve it other than being human.

    Girls are raised on a diet of narcissism whose end purpose is to shamelessly orient themselves around the notion of being “Me”.

    Boys are raised on a diet of shame whose end purpose is to orient themselves around the notion of selfless doing to benefit others.

    Lets hold back on the shame sammiches and teach our boys to be….. they are absolutely worth it.

  • Greg Canning

    Poignent and moving moist eyes and goose bumps throughout , thank you Andy Man.

    From the International Men’s Day website

    “A primary purpose of International Men’s Day is to shift social discourse about men and masculinity from the current focus on males behaving badly, to one of highlighting positive male role models. Males respond more energetically to positive images of masculinity than they do to negative stereotyping.”

    Indeed any individual with a modicum of understanding of behaviour knows that positive reinforcement is the way to build self confidence and promote desired behaviour.

    Still feminist inspired negative stereotyping, denigration of maleness and systematic disassembly of any positive acknowledgement of masculinity as sexist, still predominates in the discourse around men in our society – a phenomena to which the masses are largely blind. Only the “results” reach the public consciousness, which then leads to a call for more punitive punishments and further negative stereotyping extended to all men, and the vicious cycle continues.

  • The Equalizer

    Beautiful. Just beautiful. Really healing. The photo of the little boy also reminded me of being that age and of my son at that age, about the age when I started hearing ‘slugs and snails and puppy dogs’ tails, that’s what little boys are made of’. We can’t get too much of such medicine as you have provided, Andyman, to counteract such misandry and the self-hate it can take decades or even a lifetime to undo and transform. I am in London, Andyman. I wonder if you have meetings?

  • http://www.manwomanmyth.com/ manwomanmyth

    Lovely film. Really excellent work and an inspiring message.

  • donzaloog

    This was absolutely amazing. Good work AndyMan.

  • PaperrepaP

    sorry, i dont know where to post these:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1st+for+women&oq=1st+for+women&gs_l=youtube.3..0l4.8314.9009.0.9341.5.5.0.0.0.1.314.1091.1j1j1j2.5.0…0.0…1ac.1.xVMp3aY61KM

    its an insurance company that only insures women and they put out lots off ads where they actually say that men are idiots.

    they also had a documentary in which a male doctor told men that they are inferior beings and they shouldnt be insured.

    :( makes me very sad

    • Jay

      Try to find if you can report the advertisement to an advertising standards or something. Virgin Insurance (which insures both men and women) had a series of misandrist advertisements here in Australia:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE070NA7m0M

      I’ve written a complaint about it and received written correspondence that it is being investigated. Since my complaint, I have not seen that misandrist, piece of sheisse advertisement on TV.

      http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?tid=1065

      • PaperrepaP

        im too afraid to get involved. i wouldnt want people harassing me. i cant handle stuff like this :( sorry

  • TPH

    Incredibly moving. I sent the link to my 2 sons. 20 minutes later they both called me on a conference call wondering who Andy Man is. They now know. This is one of the better videos with a strong message of hope that I have seen in a long, long time.

    • TigerMan

      Yeah I actually think this video is a potential award winner I truly do :)

  • Jay

    Superb video Andy Man, superb stuff. God bless you.

  • Stu

    Scientists, inventors, composers, artists. Men have produced nearly everything that everyone relies on for their comfortable safe lives. It’s not only the great men doing great things, it’s men period. We’re the one’s that make it all happen, if we didn’t, we’d all be living in caves somewhere, dying by 30yo if you’re lucky, huddling around a fire at night hoping the predators find something better to eat tonight.

    Most of us are this guy, and without him, we’re all fucked. And he’s losing interest.

    • TigerMan

      “Most of us are this guy, and without him, we’re all fucked. And he’s losing interest.”
      Very well put Stu and a great video to illustrate your point :)

  • tallwheel

    This is practically a blue pill video. Just made me feel more worthless and disposable as a man. I raged when I saw “You are the soldier” and “You are the worker”.

    Has it really gotten so bad since I left school some 10 odd years ago that boys need to be reminded of the accomplishments of men? (Apparently a lot of people think so or Andyman wouldn’t have made it, and there wouldn’t be so many positive comments, so maybe I’m being naive here.)

    I appreciate that the purpose of the video is to inspire boys and men, but please allow me to respectfully disagree with the message here. I realize I’m in the minority.

    • tallwheel

      To add a compliment, though, I really liked the speech about men hating themselves at the beginning.

      • JakeA.

        On the contrary, this is most definitely a red pill video. Just because it shows us as the soldier or the worker does not demean us, it is a part of who we are and what we have done throughout history to get where we are today, and it celebrates our triumph through our hard work. To only celebrate the people who are lucky enough to have a chance to be engineers and scientists is to forget just how many men have contributed so highly to our society through blue collar work and, as the video mentioned, fighting tyranny. I say we can celebrate the common working man, there doesn’t have to be anything demeaning about it, despite what’s been hammered into our heads for so long. and also, yes, the school system has gotten rather appalling, to the point that we honestly do need things like this to remind us of what we have accomplished.

    • TigerMan

      The first thing that many boys and men NEED to gain is self respect. They need to know that they are valued and capable of greatness and equally important they need not apologise for that. Once they have self esteem then we can get into the particulars of blue\red pill is my thinking.

      • tallwheel

        I respect that position, but in my opinion the idea that they are _capable_ of greatness is not enough. That only strengthens the idea that men must achieve greatness to be valuable. I also feel that the message that men are capable of greatness is not missing from the blue pill world. Boys these days still know that great men are out there and have excelled throughout history. They are still told that’s exactly what they _need_ to be. Take the Lincoln movie from last year as just one of many examples. The main difference today is that some female figures who don’t really deserve the recognition are being pushed to the front. I think boys can still recognize, though, that the majority of important historical figures are male, though he will be told that this is because of “patriarchy”. What boys and men really need to know today is the real reason for the existence of so-called “deadbeat dads”, homeless men, dead soldiers, and the male suicide epidemic – that society treats men as disposable, and discards men who have no utility.

        To explain why I personally didn’t like it: I’m a single guy in my 30’s with a decent paying (but not great) office job. I don’t really feel like I make a great difference in anyone’s lives, or make any great contribution to society. I don’t particularly excel at any of the roles mentioned in the video. The video just made me feel like I need to be a great inventor or engineer and leave my mark on the world. Before watching the video I was satisfied with my current job and living for myself – the MGTOW philosophy if you will. Therefore, the video gave me basically the same message I was getting in the blue pill world – aside from the great intro speech – that to be great as a man I must do something great.

        The video is very well produced, though. If there are boys and men out there who really do need to be reminded of the achievements of men – regardless of how dangerous and self-sacrificing some of those achievements have been – then I would agree that the video does the job. I, though, am well aware of the achievements of men and was only able to take away the negative side of the message.

        • TigerMan

          On reflection I have a better term for what the modern boy needs in their life and that is an increase in their morale. So many boys have either no role models or if they do they can often be negative role models like the leader of a local gang of thugs or drug dealers etc. As it happen I also don’t subscribe to traditional “ideals” of masculinity and how the concept of the “hero” has been co-opted to suit those in power (to fight old men’s wars) and of course women and their interests ie cannon fodder. That said I don’t see this video as a complete instruction on red pill thinking but I do see it as a much needed morale raising video. If morale is already low then introducing red-pill viewpoints too early could depress and cause despair because telling the truth about our situation is not good news for those comfortably numb under blue pill delusions. :)

        • http://www.NewDemocracyWorld.org Dopesauce42

          You don’t base your self-worth on how well you serve the needs of women. Good.

          You have stepped out of the hierarchy and are content with living for your needs and enjoyment and not status and power over others. Good.

          This video did show people who were ‘great,’ and it could be construed that man=great so not-great=not man. But the video also showed many things that happen as a result of the organization of many small tasks that culminate in a large event, like lift-off. Being a man is being connected to a long lineage of working together, each pulling the weight they could pull, all in concert to achieve great things.

          You could be doing what you do for work, essentially, and be a part of that. What holds back so much human potential, male potential, is the hierarchical systems we have to live under. Maintaining the hierarchy is the goal of those who are at the top, and at the top means having the most power. So many aspects of society become set up to solidify the hierarchy. Things that do not fit the plan, like non-competitive messages, creativity, real respect for each other, are attacked by those at the top of the hierarchy.

          Kids have to go through standardized tests that are designed to give low scores to a pre-determined percentage of kids. The message in the public schools is “You’re not good enough, for whatever reason, you’re not.” This is done to get kids ready to enter the hierarchy at the lowest rung of the ladder, and be happy about it, thinking they deserve it.

          Smash hierarchy=explosion of Zeta population.

          These hierarchical systems, whether socialist, capitalist, communist or whatever in between, all share all different shades of the same ‘nasty green’ shit.

          At a certain point, maybe MGTOW goes only so far to provide satisfaction and a sense of self-worth outside of serving women and the hierarchy. Maybe, at some point, an MGTOW has to become active in smashing the destructive hierarchy. Become a more active MRA. Excel in a role that society has been set up to keep you away from – a role in the effort to smash the system. Do your part in the collective effort to end that which holds many back, including even the most liberated MGTOWs. Explore the new role of ‘hierarchy-smasher.’ It was mentioned in the video, but not explicitly, for MLK realized that the system was corrupt and devoid of any morality – not just some of the people in the system. He died because of it, and there is a very good book about how the US Gov was found guilty of his murder in a civil trial.

          Some MGTOWs don’t even care for this site, they don’t find it useful. If you’re here, there must be some aspect of activism that you are drawn to, remember; talking with people is activism. Facilitate it, make some awareness flyers at home on your printer and staple them or tape them up on light-posts and such. Fun, if nothing else. -Peace

  • lugger2010

    This very thing has bothered me for a while. Paul, Dean, JtO, & co., may I offer this one word as our battle-cry to save the “younger Brothers” from extermination….
    ” RE- MASCULATION” !!!!!!!

  • TigerMan

    Ohh wow what a fantastic video – never had so much pleasure in tweeting a link before – well done AndyMan :)