I was raised by a feminist, single mother. When I was very young, my father grew tired of hassling with her and drifted away. I grew up feeling that my father didn’t love me. I didn’t know what parental alienation was but I knew what it felt like. The only thing I was told about him was he was a “deadbeat dad,” that didn’t pay his child support.
When I was a teenager, my mother and I ran into him by chance while out on an errand. He looked at me and asked, “Do you know who I am?” I hadn’t a clue and said, “No.” I could tell by the pain on his face that I had stabbed him in the heart. As we said our goodbyes, he gave me his pocket knife. I never saw him again. I still have that pocket knife today to remind me of him.
My first taste of the red pill was in college, when there were no clothesline projects or white ribbon weeks, for which I’m grateful. I do remember the sense of unfairness with scholarships and finical aid. No one would help me because of my skin color and gender. Eventually, I “manned up” and earned my way through school.
Consumed with school, work, and girlfriends, my first taste of the bitter red pill was forgotten and I slipped back into my blue pill coma. I had met the love of my life and eventually we were married.
Nothing you could have told me back then would have changed my mind. We were best friends and perfect for each other. I wasn’t going to make the same mistakes my mother and father made. I was going to always be there for my wife and children, no matter what. I made an oath before God and witnessnes to honor and protect her, till death do us part. I meant it and I lived it.
15 years later, I had a good job, a house, great kids, and I was still in love. I was truly happy. Blue cool-aid is yummy! What happened next would shake me to my core and force me to choke down the red pill; whole this time.
I discovered my wife was having an affair. When I confronted her about it she called the cops on me because she was “afraid.” Afraid! Afraid of what? I was her white knight. I never laid a finger on her or the kids, ever. In a wash of horror, I got it. She wasn’t afraid at all. It was over, and she just played her trump card.
I met the cop in the driveway and calmly told him what happened. He gave me a choice. I could leave and never come back or he could take me to jail. I’m grateful this happened before VAWA.
For the next year I lived in an unfurnished apartment, sleeping on the floor. Between my attorney fees and paying both the house mortgage and apartment rent, I was dead broke. There were days I would go without food because I didn’t have any money.
I would “man-up” at work, then I would come home and sob. I had lost everything that was important to me. Friends and family turned on me. In some twisted way they blamed me for the divorce. I tried two different counselors who wanted to sell me their version of “women good, men bad.” There was nowhere to turn but within.
In my darkest hours, I considered taking my life. Blue pill withdrawal is a bitch. My children kept me going. I didn’t want to leave them with a whole in their hearts, like the one I felt as a child. During this time, I developed a deeper understanding and compassion for my father and his loss.
As time went by, I would just sit and think for hours. I would sit and wonder how did I get here? This was her wrong not mine. She had an affair, yet she gets the house, the car, and the kids. I get attorney fees, alimony, and child support. What kind of fucked up world is this? There is no justice!
Once the divorce was over, I got my life back together. I wandered for a couple years thinking the world was crazy. No one could see what I could see or at least wouldn’t admit to it. I was living outside the matrix. I was MGTOW but I didn’t know the term then.
Then one day on YouTube, I came across one of Factory’s videos, and then JTO’s, then The Happy Misogynist. I realized I wasn’t alone. In fact, there were men much farther down the road than I was. That day an MRA was born.
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Brother you could not of written my story any better.
And we’re still both sane. Go figure.
Patrick you inspire and are welcomed from us all brother.
Thank you for your story and I can’t ever know how it must feel to go through those things you speak of, but I can tell you I know how wonderful it is to leave forever the person you once were.
Wonderfully written from your intelligent heart.
Thanks Dr. F. I’m glad to see you’re back.
Kind words thank you.
Tell me something if you will, is it possible to find your father again ? Can you locate him and meet up with him if he is alive ?
Sadly no. By the time I had the resources to locate him, he had passed away.
I’m sad about that.
I kinda thought you might say something like that.
This piece really should be looked upon as some kind of signature, or template as to what beautiful writing is. There is not a syllable of waste or pedantic word in any of it anywhere. It’s just telling us what was and now what is. There’s no indulgence in tempting tangents about theories about this or that. You have us with you all the way, right next to you in a world squashing you into a much smaller one.
The content of what you wrote is compelling, and I’m afraid it’s as simple as that.
Thanks again mate, it’ll resonate with me for quite a while I’m telling you.
Did he have the resources to locate you before he passed away? One thing that bothers me in stories like your’s is that fathers do have the obligation to fight for fatherhood. One former marine I know spent 10 years and many thousands of dollars fighting his alienating ex for the right to father his own kids. He finally won a bittersweet victory after one judge saw the light because he never stopped fighting. I hope you discover that your father tried to get back to you if you ever find his brothers or his buddies.
“No one could see what I could see or at least wouldn’t admit to it.”
The white elephant in the room that no one will talk about it. The same is true of Thomas James Ball’s self-immolation. People just want to graze. Thank you for telling us your story.
PH
Yours sounds like the journey of an authentic male in a f*cked up feminist world. My emotional thermometer goes haywire dealing with this shit. What does it mean to have no father? Those who have had one could not possibly imagine; seriously: you could not possibly fully appreciate the deficit of the absence of a father. Then consider the plight of a little boy in the charge of a f*cked up single mother, uninhibited in her contempt for masculinity, and encouraged by the prevailing orthodoxy to disregard and demean all things male. What chance did you stand? The odds were against you. And yet you still had noble aspirations, callously thwarted by the entitled ‘princess’ you trusted with your dreams. I wish you every good fortune bro in trying to find some resolution in the turbulent waters of contemporary fatherhood.
I really feel for guys that go through this, it’s beyond belief that this can happen.
What is heartening to see is men fighting back.
I like seeing misandric articles in the media being torn apart in the comments sections by men telling blue pillers how it is.
I can only see our numbers swelling as men realize sites like AVFM exist and other guys see us calling bullshit on misandry.
Thank you Patrick, you are not alone brother, thanks for adding your story to the ever loudening chorus.
I have been studying some of the material on http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/ and am amazed that this kind of treatment of men was going on much earlier than I thought (early 1900′s), organised feminism already had a substantial head start ( affirmative action or what ever you want to call it) thanks to cultural and evolutionary inbread chivilary amongst males.
All men should take the red pill, even those not yet overtly harmed!
Whilst America celebrated Thanksgiving huge cohorts of Australian men were more interested in wearing white ribbons, “swearing” not to commit” violence against women” and propagating gender myths. http://www.facebook.com/whiteribbonaustralia
What pain to live through.
Thank you for your story Patrick. I can’t imagine making it through like you did. Much respect man.
I have a different path. I had my first dose of the red pill when I was 12. Since then I’ve known something was wrong on one level or another but it’s taken me my whole life to fully figure it out. I never had a girlfriend, never dated more than a few times in my life. I’ve been celibate 18 years with no desire to change. I’ve been going my own way since puberty. I think I’m lucky though, god knows I would of run in to serious trouble if I got mixed up with the wrong folks.
Amen to that brother. For many years I knew something was off but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it till very recently. What drove me over the edge was learning that a girl who spurned me (and then tried to win me back,but I’d have none of it), tried to poison me. My best friend took the bullet for me and spent a whole weekend puking his guts out, but we had no real proof of it.
Patrick: what Hurley said. This is *so* similar to what I went through on my way to getting fired from my last job, it’s spooky.
The only differences in my case was that, instead of the cops, I got the California State sexual harassment feminazi on my case.
There’s even more that’s still so galling, over two years since my first SH charge and a year since my termination, it’s still hard to let go. Not the least of which is that the ‘womyn’ who unleashed this on me is a quite young, attractive psychologist of Persian descent, from a wealthy Orange County family. She was quite popular in the department I worked in, to boot.
But apparently being attractive, wealthy, popular, always getting her way at work (she would routinely come in an hour late, take looong lunches, and leave early, without ever being confronted by our management, among other things), that wasn’t enough. She had to get her ‘manscalp’ too, I guess to prove how tough and untouchable she was, and in her case it was mine.
I’ve since realized, I was easy pickings. I’m overweight, never had much money to my name, never had a girlfriend, and was easily the lowest person on the totem pole at the state treatment facility we both worked at. I realize now that one of my major mistakes was that I was waay *too much of a nice guy.* NEVER again will I bother to care enough about my co-workers– ANY co-worker, no matter how popular or attractive– to ask any personal question or take any personal interest in their well-being. I’m also much more invested now in creating my own career as I’m sick of watching the popular kids at work get all the adulation, perks and raises, while I get all the work.
Anyway, thanks again for writing this, as well as to you and AVfM for this opportunity to vent. It really is so helpful to know you’re not alone, and I greatly hope your situation (if not already resolved to some sort of personal satisfaction) is resolved soon for you on some sort of acceptable terms.
‘qdpsteve’
Mr qdpsteve,
I appreciate the searing honesty of your comment. Don’t expect the memory of being so poorly used to ever be less than galling, no matter how much time passes.You don’t ‘get over’ being a target for injustice, and I’m not even sure you should try. Your termination was a kick in the guts initiated by a vicious (and possibly psychotic) bully and delivered by the power structure that supports and encourages such injustice – feminism.
What happened to you is typical of how feminist policies pander to women’s worst instincts, enabling them to wield immense power that so many of them simply don’t have the moral conscience to keep in check. Confronting this ugly reality is a sobering experience which never fails to shock, because it so utterly contradicts what we have been brainwashed to believe.
Critics of AVFM misrepresent the site as a place where angry men go to rant. However, the smart ones are beginning to see that the anger is being harnessed constructively, enabling men to start fighting back. This begins by deconstructing the circumstances that allows injustices against men to occur, so we can better understand what we’re up against.
As such, yours and Mr Henry’s contributions are extremely valuable. I am all the more motivated for reading them. Good luck to you both,
The idea that it’s a place where “angry men go to rant” is so dismissive. Anger is can be a valid emotion (unless you’re male apparently).
It’s meant to be dismissive. When feminists point out male anger, they are attempting to silence us by suggesting that it is an expression of inherent male violence. Embracing our anger and refusing to allow anyone to invalidate it is a rite of passage for red-pillers. Feminists rely heavily on men’s vunerability to female judgement. Becoming impervious to it is very liberating.
Harnessing our anger constructively terrifies feminists, and their white knight enablers because they know that:
a) we have a lot to be angry about, and,
b) we are very good at constructing things.
The result, as AVFM demonstrates, is a lot of positive activism driven by passionate men, and women, who no not respond to feminist shaming.
Isn’t there a film with a relevant quote that goes something like:
I’m not angry, you haven’t seen me angry (yet)
I think that we’re seeing men beginning to realise that they have the right to be angry. I see far more backlash in comments against femi-twaddle in the press these days. I think we’re going to see more anger in the future, I hope that it is harnessed constructively (as you say). If not, I don’t know what society is going to look like in 10, 20 or 30 years.
If men get the-male-pill plus sexbots, I see a LOT of lonely women who won’t be able to saddle themselves a pack horse male for a 5-7 year marry, kids, FRA / FDV and divorce rape.
THEN you’ll see what women really want, and it ain’t a you-go-grrrlll-cat-spinster lifestyle.
Mission Impossible! Just remembered the movie
Qdpsteve,
This State-run facility sounds like it has all the hallmarks you’d expect of any other bureaucracy. Unfortunately the skilled people stay where they are in menial positions while the useless schmoozers bubble to the top like noxious gases on a hot day.
For that reason, I have never worked in Government jobs preferring private enterprise where the work is often harder and those with good ideas can be rewarded while the useless are turned over in quick order.
Best of luck in your future
Patrick, I am on the board of an organisation that has two hundred members who have faced the exact situation you have gone through. You are definitely not alone..
Your life will improve from here onwards. All the best..
Christianj: What’s the name of the organization?
I used to love watching It’s A Wonderful Life every X-mas when I was growing up. I never thought of it as a Christmas movie; to me it was a “how to get married and have a family” movie. I kinda wanted to be like George Bailey. Hell, I was just a kid.
Today, I not only won’t ever get married, I’ve given up on attending weddings. I can’t stand them.
Reading P Henry’s story makes my blood boil. I am starting to really really hate this country.
And possibly the whole Western world. I used to be hungry for dates in my teens & early 20s, but the ones I got were few & far between, & I never was able to get far enough with a female to get sex or marriage. But starting in my mid-20s I gradually became aware of the issues discussed at this & other MRA sites/blogs. First I listened to the radio show “His Side with Glenn Sacks.” Then I listened to the podcasts of Marc Rudov & watched his debates with Lis Wiehl. Finally, I stumbled upon the works of Paul & JtO, so now here I am.
Looking back now, I believe all those gals did me a favor by rejecting me for dates (& by extension sex & marriage); those rejections were blessings in disguise. And I too have had enough of attending the weddings of others. Now in my mid-30s, I go my own way & will continue to do so till the day I die.
You know, reading your post has me suddenly thinking, a bit more than I did before at least, about just how much control feminists must really be after, and have already attained.
Just look at how difficult it is for men to achieve the kind of sexual satisfaction we’re looking for in comparison to women. Feminism has made women more and more demanding by the passing year, and with so many men unable to make it through college (also thanks to feminism), it’s only getting worse for men in general to make enough money to please women. Which of course only frustrates us further. Not to mention that society and the legal system almost seem to work directly in concert to keep men in general stimulated just enough to add to sexual frustration, while feminism does its part to “seal the deal”, so to speak, by taking advantage of our prolonged state of arousal in order to ensure we pay the toll for access to the flesh tunnel. Access which we can easily be denied, or retroactively rescinded, even after we pay. Just imagine if men were doing this to women all the time. The white knights would cut us to pieces. Literally.
Now, taking that into consideration, throw in the vastly superior protection against unwelcome pregnancy that women possess (not to mention the lawfully-granted benefits to having our children with or without our consent), their right to deceive us, their right to lie in open court without fear of consequences, society making men who don’t get laid feel like losers, and the illegality of guaranteed sex in exchange for cash (prostitution, as the law defines it at least), and what we have is a very simple case of women having completely seized control over the sexuality of men. And yet, the feminists still complain that men damage women every day by imposing our sexual desires upon their fragile psyches.
That tells me only one thing: That feminism isn’t satisfied yet, and probably won’t ever be. It wants men to have no recourse, no alternative, no choice whatsoever but to seek their sexual satisfaction from the women that demand everything under the stars in exchange, the ones that may just change their minds about the whole thing at any point before, during, or after. So disgusting, so wrong that men should have to endure such indignity.
As a teenager at an all boys high school, I was made to read the verse of Wilfred Owen – one of the First World War poets. My teacher had fought in the second war, and had been captured and interned by the Germans in a POW camp. Boys pick up pretty quickly when their teacher cares about what they are teaching, and when they are teaching because they have to. Wilfred Owen was close to this guy’s heart. There was no mistaking it.
Owen was a young Englishman, posted to the slaughter that was France. He watched all his peers blown to pieces, gassed, buried alive, starved, etc before he himself was finally shot dead. In the meantime, he managed to pen some of the most touching tragic lines about this nightmare. What he couldn’t believe was that this abomination occurred with the approval of everyone he held dear and trusted. No-one wanted to know when he talked about the simple truth of it.
Women slept soundly in their beds and could hear the guns over 100 miles away. They didn’t want to know if he tried to speak a word of it.
It’s happening again. Men are being consigned to lives of misery, in full sight of all around them, and no-one wants to hear a word of it spoken. It’s “man-up” or “quit whining”. In Owen’s day, it was “dulce et decorum est…” (how sweet and glorious to die for one’s country).
Back then, women handed out white feathers to urge men not to be “cowards”. Today, it’s white ribbons.
It’s a good thing women don’t get shot for cowardice, like young men once did. There would be none of them left.
Mongo – thanks for drawing the analogy between the white feather campaign and the white ribbon campaign , had not previously thought of it!
Credit belongs to gwallan, who is handing out white feathers today to women urging white ribbons on him.
That’s powerful.
qdp steve,
Men I feel your pain. I was the firs man in my family on either side as far back as anyonecould remembe and here I as in lw school. Not just in law school but had made it through my first year and was doing fine. Finally, somebody wasa going t get us out of the gutter, and that somebody was me. I had walked away from two careers to do that, and now I was doing it. And then I discovered Womyn. And bcame a man scalp. I might have faded the heat on most of it – it was all so obviously bullshit. But I had said “titty” to one strong, independent, enlightened superwoman and because of that she now couldnt go to the law library anymore without fear and had to fail a class bcause of the trauma. She “testified” at my “hearing” that she had seven brothers, but she had never heard anything so obscene.There just wasn’t any getting out from under an offense like that. What a monster. I was expelled and marked for life as sexual harasser.
I was prompted to espond to yu because you said two yars had passed and you stll couldn’t let go. Its taken five for me to get the hot gravel out of my guts, to be able to let go to the point that whole days aren’t ruined by the fucking godawful memory and the sick twisted injustice of it. But the day comes, I promise you. And it started coming fr me whenI accepted that I had experience that could be valuable to others. Get through it bro.
Wolfman:
As a recent law school graduate I can understand your situation as I was in a similar situation myself. Law school was actually a tipping point in my life for the red pill. I had been searching and came across Dr. Farrell first and then an unabashed “Happy Misogynist” on YouTube (I’m looking at you Paul) and my life was changed. I’m hoping you finished and took the bar where ever you are. I take the bar in July and while family law sickens me to the core (no accountability in appellate courts for the “fact finding” of lower family courts and a dubious “best interest of the child” standard). I will always be a champion of the interests of men and boys. Our judiciary and legislative processess are broken and anti-male. I would like to say that I would venture into the awful world of family law and try to represent husbands and fathers but I hate to say that at the point when men say “I do” the battle is lost. There are tactics to mitigate damage after that point (What a great idea for an article for me to write for AVfM!) but family courts are kangaroo courts in the BEST sense of the phrase. I like to think of myself as proactive and I would rather counsel young men not to ever be involved in the practice in the first place.
After speaking about me having graduated from law school, I’d like to mention, as an admission, that “David Messner” is a pen name. I am somewhat ashamed to not to use my real name for thoughts that are totally and completely true and heartfelt, however as I am seeking admission to the bar in my state I am in a vulnerable place and I have women (who are also former classmates) who wouldn’t think twice about reporting me to the bar for the “unseemly” things I say about our society’s treatment of the protected and blameless gender (womyn).
I feel like a coward and I apologize to the rest of the folks here who take stronger and bolder stances than I. I promise that during the time I write under a pen name I will work twice as hard to engage on a personal and professional level (where I have attorney-client privilege) to educate and help those men who are victims of a misandric, feminist society and government.
A goal of mine is a career center dedicated solely to men focused on industries involving math, science, and technology (I believe in the manliness of creation and industry) and I have two nephews who, I am pretty sure, will save us all.
I want to end this comment with a sincere “thank you” to Paul, JtO, and all the others involved for providing an oasis in a sandstorm of shit.
Let’s get going guys. Let us FTSU!
You are not a coward. Anyone with anything to lose must protect themselves. It’s no different than when carrying a gun around when you live in a dangerous area, you know?
It’s a shame that you have to fear that your (very truthful) words may cost you everything, especially when, if you were a woman, you could froth at the mouth while spitting vitriolic hate-speech at every last man on Earth with total impunity.
Perfectly understandable that you use a pen name. Get qualified, practice…….then FTSU
You need make no apology for your obfuscation; it is a necessary measure at a time when advocating for the rights of men and boys is a seriously risky business. All revolutionaries recognise the need for this. In 18th century France, the revolutionaries identified themselves with the name “jacques”, perhaps we could adopt a similar strategy to identify ourselves as revolutionaries in the cause of masculine emancipation. Paul or John may work!
Btw, 24601 was the number bourn by the prisoner Jean Valjean, in Victor Hugo’s novel Les Miserables – Penguin classics translation 1200 pages (!!!) – the best19th century novel you will read. Just a little taster…
From the book:
A doll is among the most pressing needs as well as the most charming instincts of feminine childhood. To care for it, adorn it, dress and undress it, give it lessons, scold it a little, put it to bed and sing it to sleep, pretend that the object is a living person – all the future of woman resides in this. Dreaming and murmuring, tending, cosseting, sewing small garments, the child grows into girlhood, from girlhood into womanhood, from womanhood into wifehood, and the first baby is the successor to the last doll. A little girl without a doll is nearly as deprived and quite as unnatural as a woman without a child. So Cossette made her sword into a doll.
Victor Hugo, Les Miserables.
Clearly VH is an unrepentant misogynist!
Sorry about the typos gys. This laptop is a bitch to type on for a clumsy monkey like me.
I can’t add anything to Patrick’s story. He said it all. But I can tell you how awestruck I am by the comments.
As men we are used to keeping all this shit hidden; to “manning up,” whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. And as much as it pains me to say it, my experience with blue pill men (read: almost all men) is that there is nothing that will make them lose interest in their brothers faster than the painful truth, spoken from the heart.
When people occasionally laud men for such honesty (as long as they keep it brief) they sometimes say that it takes courage for a man to bear his heart.
It does, but only because the world will shame him into shutting up and if he doesn’t the sharks will turn on him. And women? Fuck. He will so often cease to exist.
AVfM really is a different place. The red pill really does make a difference. You guys are amazing.
I have never told my story to anyone before today. It has been internalized for years. Just for the reasons Paul mentions. AVfM has given me the opportunity to tell my story to the world. For this, I am most grateful.
The longer we keep silent about our pain the more pain we will be forced to endure.
and women claim men can’t express their emotions! they just don’t want to hear it, they will be washed away by the outpouring of male emotion thats headed their way!
“and women claim that men can’t express their emotions! they just don’t want to hear it”
This is definitely a truism we often forget.
At AVFM we encourage others and “want to hear it”.
Thanks for sharing your story Patrick.
The only time today’s women want to hear men express their emotions is when we’re professing our adoration, our love, our worship of them. Any other time, it counts against us, it earns us the mark of being a “sissy”.
I’m beginning to think the phrase “Be a man” was a grave mistake right from the get-go. It should have always been: “Be an adult.” Maybe that would have helped ensure more appropriate usage.
Some just claim that men don’t. That was me and it frustrated me when guys would shrug it off when I tried to ask how they felt about something, or worse, tell me what they thought I wanted to hear. After this, I claim that some don’t. Although I must say that personally, I prefer that men in my life express how they feel because anyone who genuinely cares about someone wants to know.
What does it take for society to show some compassion towards men?
physical sacrifice – - death or dismemberment…
…in his work to provide for a tenuous family relationship or defense of a country, a culture, a society that dismisses, disrespects and shuns him otherwise.
We muster all the compassion in the world at Arlington Cemetery every May 31, while thinking absolutely nothing of the men who are still with us.
“He DIED a hero.”
“She’s a heroic single mom!”
He has to die for it.
She simply has to demonstrate empowerment and independence from him for it.
She sacrifices what might have been a glorious career to become a wife and mother. He sacrifices life and limb to defend her right to do it.
After feminism dies its grisly, horrid, well-earned death, hopefully people will finally realize how much undue praise has been handed out like candy to women who completely and utterly failed to provide an adequate father for their children.
As a side note, it is beyond disgusting to me that so many single mothers are treated like fucking heroes. A majority of them are failures, they got drunk one night, weren’t on their pill/shot/whatever, and what do you know? Now they have a kid to raise by themselves. I don’t look kindly on single mothers, I loathe them utterly. Unless they lost their husband in an unforeseeable and uncontrollable manner (like getting taken out by a drunk driver on their way home from work), you can pretty well count on those women being directly responsible for having to make it on their own. And feminism dictates that that be completely glossed over for the purposes of encouraging women to be “strong and independent”, whether that’s an accurate assessment of those women or not.
Sounds about right for this society.
A hero demonstrates the desired actions a society wants to promote after all.
Blue pill men are blue ball men.
Mongo my brother. I love Wilfred Owen. “Apologia Pro Poemate Meo” has got to be the single most beautiful poem ever written about men atwar.
There is a grea British made movie I saw just before I went to Afghanistan called “Beind the Lines.” It is the story of Siegfried Sassoon and what the british army did after he wrote his letter to pariament telling them to where to stc there war. The sent him to a scottish sanitarium for “rest.” there (as you may know) he met Wilfred Owen and convincedhim t start writing about the war. The movie doesn’t portray their relationship as any deeper than close friends, but the reality of it was they were in love. When Sassoon returned to the front Owen was furious with him but followed him soon after, where as of course you know he was killed. Brilliant movie and great connection you made Nothing changes. A million men died in one day at the Battle f the Somme.And these women want to tak about “gynocide?” Are you kidding me?
Paul, admire your work. I thank you for this.
I think what you meant to say was that there were about one million casualties at the battle of the Somme, this one battle of WW1? And not on just one day.
I checked out that poem. Very beautiful indeed.
The Battle of the Somme lasted 141 days, from July 1 to November 18, 1916. 420,000 British fighting men lost their lives; 200,000 Frenchmen and about 500,000 Germans were killed as well.
For the British alone, the average was 3000 per day. Our losses in Iraq, almost 4500 at this time, equal a day and a half of the Somme offensive.
The bloodiest day, for the British, was the first day of the offensive (July 1, 1916). They suffered almost 60,000 casualties that one day alone. Have any of you been to the Vietnam War memorial in Washington, DC? That whole, awful roll of casualties is equaled by one bad day of fighting in World War I.
And the women said “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.”
…and whilst these poor bastards – men – were being slaughtered on the battlefields of France, the suffragettes in the UK were busying themselves with…campaigning for the vote for women. I shit you not! They partially succeeded in their campaign: in 1918 – the last year of the Great War – women over 30, and men over 18 were given the right to vote. Do I hear the feminist cry “outrageous”, “discrimination”, “men get the vote at 18, and women have to wait until they’re 30″…Yada yada yada. Sure, but if those pampered princesses stopped to think, they’d realise that there were precious few young men between the age of 18 -30 alive, as the poor bastards had been slaughtered on the battlefield; not that they’d give a shit.
“…and whilst these poor bastards – men – were being slaughtered on the battlefields of France, the suffragettes in the UK were busying themselves with…campaigning for the vote for women.”
And lets not fail to mention how those poor little “pampered princesses” ran around with their white feathers, shaming men to go off and fight and die for them. And now the hypocrite, female descendants of those hypocrite suffragettes blame males for all war and violence. I recently acquired the Criterion Collection edition of “The Four Feathers.” http://tinyurl.com/7frx7ny When documenting the history of female misandry and hypocrisy, it’s nice to have as much documentation as possible – given the huge feminist propensity for denial of the truth/the whole truth. :-/
Speaking of feminists whining about their great-great-grandmothers being discriminated against (compared to men) with respect to voting rights:
New Zealand was the first country in the World to allow women the vote (in 1893).
I’ve never heard any feminist complain about Maori men not receiving the same voting rights as white women until 82 years later (in 1975).
The first elections in New Zealand were held in 1853.
White men who didn’t own land had to wait 26 years before they could also vote (1879).
White women had to wait 40 years (1893).
Brown men had to wait 122 years (1975).
I’ve made an image showing a time-line of NZ voting rights:
http://www.tinyurl.com/7u8twdp
Yes. A lot of people died indeed in that one first day. However, one small mistake on your part. Throughout the Vietnam war about 60000 American men lost their lives. On the first day of the battle of the Somme, about 20000 died, 35000 wounded, making it 55000 casualties. A lot of people make that mistake. Still, it doesn’t really matter, 20000 dead is a huge number anyway.
“Have any of you been to the Vietnam War memorial in Washington, DC? That whole, awful roll of casualties is equaled by one bad day of fighting in World War I.”
Yep, been to that Wall in D.C. to visit old school chums (all males).
http://tinyurl.com/5x3sra
and a kid who went to our church (also male).
http://tinyurl.com/4cglmu
Of the more than 58,000 men whose names are on the Vietnam War Memorial Wall, approximately 42% died for their country without ever having the right to vote in America.
http://thewall-usa.com/names.asp
“At least 25,000 of those killed were 20 years old or younger.”
There are eight women’s names on the Vietnam War Memorial Wall and none of them were without their right to vote in America at the time of their deaths.
Of the twelve Iwo Jima flag raisers (two flag raisings), four died for their country without ever having the right to vote in America.
Based on the info I was able to find, I suspect there were hundreds of thousands of American men who died for America in the 20th century without ever having the right to vote in America.
I saw a WWI video a while back and it said (paraphrasing) that of all the U.K. lads who fought in WWI, about 500,000 were without the right to vote. I think you had to be a land owner at the time to be eligible to vote.
While the suffragettes were protesting in front of the Wilson White House for women’s right to vote in America, tens of thousands of American men were being maimed and slaughtered in WWI without their right to vote. http://tinyurl.com/6pdhhr7
The movie “Iron Jawed Angels” shows the struggle of suffragettes to get women the right to vote, and at one point shows a feeding tube being shoved down one suffragettes throat to keep her alive – the horror, the horror. That’s about as physically rough as it ever got for suffragettes.
Which sex’s voting rights have been more egregiously oppressed in recent history (the last hundred years)? :-/
The fact that I didn’t even learn of how men couldn’t vote without being landowners for such a long time in this country, but got quite an earful about the Women’s Suffrage Movement, is a true testament to the success of feminism.
As for men fighting and dying to protect women and children, that’s been going on since Day One, and today that cold, hard fact goes utterly ignored and unappreciated. Thank you feminism.
Andybob and WolfMan: THANK YOU!! You have no idea how helpful and welcome your thoughts of empathy and encouragement are. I sincerely hope you’re both back on the road to ‘making it’ again, just like I’ve been trying to get back to for the past couple months. (I finally just last early summer worked my way somewhat out of the stage where I didn’t do much else than sleep in ’til 2pm, watch Judge Judy, and stuff myself full of fast food, feeling sorry for myself.)
Also thanks to Dr. Elam above for his comment, as well as creating this place. I know you probably need a break, sir, but PLEASE… don’t go away. You’re needed a lot more than perhaps you realize.
In the meantime, as if my original comment wasn’t spooky enough: I could link you to a very recent column written by THE EXACT SAME FEMALE PSYCHOLOGIST that was published at an online Orange County/Persian journal on– hold onto your hats– male happiness and anger. I’m not Jewish but is there any word for ‘super duper mindblowing chutzpah’ in Yiddish??
I’d link to the piece I’m talking about, except that I got in a little trouble with Dr. T for trying to share it there; she said she couldn’t approve my comment due to some (most likely legit) legal concerns. If OTOH it would be okay to share it here, Dr. Elam and AVfM team, just send the word.
Again: thanks so much for your support, AVfM readers and commenters. It means more than words can express.
Hi qdpsteve,
You weren’t in any trouble and you are welcome to share your experiences on S4M. However, I prefer not to publish real identities of abusers (or links that would lead to discovering the identities of said abusers/bullies) unless the individual has been criminally charged or publicly admitted their guilt.
It’s similar to the Register-Her policy.
Kind Regards,
Dr Tara
is there any word for ‘super duper mindblowing chutzpah’ in Yiddish??
I dont know about yiddish, but in english its “feminism.”
As I go through the article and the comment section, I am faced with my own story again and again. A little piece here and a little piece there, and I find myself nodding affirmatively again and again; yes, been there, went through that, and that, and that, and so on…
I also find myself thinking that we were destined to find eachother on these pages as members, -not of the Band of Brothers mentioned in the television series, -but as the infamous brothers banded together by injustice and broken hearts. The similarities we share in our stories are profound and have left the majority of us with a heightened sense of justice, and a strong urge to DO something about the things that has brought us where we are today. Here at AVfM.
Almost every one of us have had some kind of ‘normal’ life taken away from us, a family, a father, or our children. We have each of us walked the Journey of a 1000 Years were there was no hope in sight, be it on the floor of an empty apartment, with our lonely shadow tainting the barren walls from the candles on the floor, or as a homeless in the darkened streets and alleys, wondering where the next meal would come from. And all of us with this immense dark hole of sorrow in our souls, wondering what could have been.
And most of us have, in our struggle to find reason or some sort of explanation for these things happening to us, finally come to the conclusion that the one’s we dedicated our lives to love and protect, had betrayed us in one way or another. Some of us we’re forcefed the red pill, and others took it as the only way out of a life of misery, alienation and unreasoned shame. And being shellshocked from the digestion of it, we have each on our own pondered on the things that led us there, some for weeks, some for months and some for years. And always what seemed to be alone.
Patrick Henry, my friend, my brother in arms and fellow traveller of the red pill road, you are not alone as none of us are anymore, because our ranks are growing by the hour. Substitute your marriage with an abduction from my homecountry and a farewell to my own farther, and do the same with your empty apartment to my life on the streets, and you have just told my story and many other mens as well. The details may be different, but the outcome has been the same: WE are united here today in the choir of a multitude of other men, who have walked the same road as mostly everybody else in here has, and now I ask you, on behalf of them and myself:
‘-Whatta ya say, -wanna go Fuck Their Shit Up??!’
Oh I’m ready my friend.
Hear hear!!!
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this brother. This brought me to my knees in tears, and for that I thank you. I haven’t cried in a very long time and I really needed that. Thank you.
You are most welcome. Writing it was a cathartic expierence for me as well.
What a powerful article! There are so many men who can relate to this. This article may belong in the Introduction-to-the-Men’s Movement section. It has such a liaison perspective from the Red Pill World to the Blue.
It does. I am putting it there now.
I am honored.
Damn, I have not done a poster run for a few weeks.
Yep 20+ AVFM posters going up tonight.
If in the very slim chance I get arrested putting up posters I don’t care, if my arrest points a man towards this site and saves a man’s life, my arrest is well worth it.
This is war guys.
Hey Karma , any chance of getting a electronic copy of one of your posters? Could print them out and stick a few up around James Cook Uni. repr1959@gmail.com
http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/
I’m highly confident this site will save lives, if it hasn’t done so already.
The cause provides a sense of purpose. A man needs something to fight for.
The people provide support. It’s not just you against the meat grinder anymore.
These are key ingredients to pull someone through the darkness.
I hope your poster run went well.
I too thank you for sharing your story with us Patrick. It is deeply disheartening to me that there are so many other stories like yours, I really wish men losing their families to a vindictive, deceitful bitch were merely isolated incidents. Or non-existent.
I myself have yet to truly suffer due to rampant feminism (keyword being “yet”), though it has impacted my life to an extent. It made sure I grew up knowing nothing about how women really are, and though I was fortunate enough to be fed a good strong red pill by none other than radio personality Tom Leykis (that guy truly saved my life and my sanity, and I would love nothing more than to personally thank him one day) before I had the chance to get married, the lack of truth in my brain definitely made it unnecessarily difficult to formulate relationships with women. I’ve long felt that women intentionally make themselves difficult to cope with, in order to sustain leverage over men.
“The only thing I was told about him was he was a “deadbeat dad,” that didn’t pay his child support”
I love the “he doesn’t give ME money, he doesn’t love YOU”
“When I confronted her about it she called the cops on me because she was “afraid.” Afraid! Afraid of what? I was her white knight. I never laid a finger on her or the kids, ever. In a wash of horror, I got it. She wasn’t afraid at all. It was over, and she just played her trump card.”
When she is 55+ years old she is going to ask “where have all the good men gone”.
Whenever I hear a single mother bash on the father that isn’t around, I think about the high likelihood that:
1) She herself is responsible for his absence to some extent, whether she had him locked up for no good reason, or simply didn’t consider his obvious immaturity as a sign that having a child with him would be a bad idea. (Women are pretty notorious for this shit.)
2) The absentee father was able to get that woman pregnant BECAUSE of how much of an asshole he is/was, and if his son wants to learn anything about women, he should get to know him.
Funny how single mothers who go on and on about how much of a jerk the guy was that knocked them up never seem to realize how they’re actually giving their sons ideas about how they should behave our women.
the-spearhead.com has an article about divorce rate, young women 20-35 will divorce more easy than older women 45-60, the answer is easy, women will divorce more easy if they know they still have value in sexual market, I’m sure Patrick Henry’s former wife was still a good looking woman when she cheats on him something wouldn’t happen if she was old not so looking “lady”.
“2) The absentee father was able to get that woman pregnant BECAUSE of how much of an asshole he is/was, and if his son wants to learn anything about women, he should get to know him.”
I quote anwomanmyth.com “if he is so a bad man, why have his baby?” single mothers constantly want to show their son/daughter how much she “loves” him/her, how he/she is the more important in her live then telling him/her how asshole his/her dad is, why are you insulting the man who give you the most important thing in your live?
But the most stupid about women is they have many children from the same “deadbeat” and “asshole” man which mean, if he really is a bad man they are making the same mistake over and over again and if all the men the single mother date are bad she is the one who look for bad men not bad men looking for her.
That’s the difference between men and women: As long as we’re only ever making more money, our market value only goes up as we get older, while women’s goes down no matter what the fuck they do. Then again, if women collectively decided to take the rather novel approach of growing a fucking brain and a personality instead of bigger titties, that wouldn’t necessarily be the case. Funny how feminism always purports to be about freeing women from the sexual demands of men, yet is obviously responsible for making them choose to be entirely dependent upon their looks.
That’s why they try to hold onto their smoking hot body as long as possible, that’s why the beauty product industry makes billions, and that’s why being a plastic surgeon these days is probably the most lucrative career imaginable for anyone with a medical license.
And on the point about women choosing bad men, I chalk it up to not having any good female role models around. Seriously, I can’t think of a single (well-known) woman alive today that women in general would/could look up to as a shining example. Oprah doesn’t really count to me, since she never married or had children, and as much as women worship her, they certainly don’t take her success as motivation to pursue a real career. 90% of her audience marries their way into financial stability, I guarantee it.
Feminist know men like a good looking woman so anything related to “eye candy” for men is demonized they oppose beauty industries. but at the same time women become more and more lunatic about beauty, the latest Movie I watched “In Time” in a world after 2061 where people don’t get old after 25 and rich and wealth live for centuries but poor die young make me realize, I started to imagine the same thing become reality and the obsession of women for eternal young going all the way to Neptune, just imagine 85 years old women with the body of Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato and Selena Gomez. Shit just go real!
although I take issue with the “he got a woman pregnant” piece, I think this is a wonderful illustration of the issue…
feminism.. http://www.tastymojo.com/LouisvilleMojo/photos_pgp/093/PG7432020080109062112593093.jpg
MRA and to Mr. Stodern,
Your comments suggest you believe that it is completely up to women to choose appropriate partners and fathers for their children. Aren’t men equally responsible for choosing appropriate partners? Many of the men on this site like to complain about how the women they have dated or been involved with have been stupid, self-absorbed, lacking in personality, crazy, and lacking in brain power. Women who would be unable to support themselves after a divorce which would leave them with a hefty alimony bill. Why do men constantly choose these women? Unless you are clueless, you can tell whether a person is an idiot after talking with them over a lunch hour. If she can’t share with you any good theories after watching an episode of Fringe (watching DVR episode, now) she’s not going to get any better. Get out. If you’re not interested in having to financially support a grown-ass person after a divorce, than the uneducated chick who dreams of being a stay at home mom is not for you. Men are just as poor at choosing mates as women are.
Yes, get out – MGTOW.
Valid point, however, since women have the ultimate power over their reproductive systems (and I believe that it should remain that way), it is ultimately up to them who becomes the father of their children. The inability of so many women to get knocked up by guys who are most likely to stick around is what irks me, not just the fact that they sometimes get into relationships with the wrong men.
We men are just as guilty of choosing the wrong women with which to become intimate. You’ll receive no argument there. However, we men have the possibility of being forced into becoming fathers when we don’t want to be. That is what separates us from the mass of single mothers: Their ability to avoid it greatly exceeds ours.
Granted, plenty of men willfully have children with the wrong women. But even in those cases, the mother usually ends up with custody, and so it is hard to judge just how comparably disastrous it would be for so many children to be raised by single fathers instead. Personally, I feel that children need their father more than their mother, though it may just be that feminism has ruined the average woman’s ability to demonstrate their being comparably important, and that the disparity will disappear once feminism finally has a cold, hard bullet of truth and justice put right between its eyes.
The “educated career women” also bleed dry their ex-husbands with alimony and child support, so “the child’s standard of living doesn’t drop” (which is BS anyway). Nice try bitch.
Mr. Stodern,
Children need mothers just as much as they need fathers. Neither parent is greater than the other. A boy cannot learn to be a man without his father,anymore than a father can teach a daughter to be a woman. If your view were correct there would be almost no purpose for women. I’m not religious, but whoever was our maker produced a perfect machine in the human. I can’t believe that the entire purpose for one of his great works was only to pleasure the other and bore him children. This seems irrational. It seems his purpose was for woman and man to work together using all the benefits of their sex to produce physically, emotionally, and mentally strong children. And, this is in fact the way it works best. Nearly, all the studies show that children who come from families where their parents are together do better at every level. One of the problems with our system is that divorce is far too easy. Getting divorced should be very difficult. A couple should be required to go through years (maybe 2yrs) of counseling and only when all the counseling fails should a divorce be granted. Than if they have children they must be forced to live within 5 miles of each other until the children reach 18. 50/50 joint custody should be the starrting point. And lots more counseling after divorce to learn how to stop hating each other. My take is that divorce is the greatest failure of our time…
Sting Chameleon
Not sure what state you live in, but, in the state I live in you have to make quite a bit of money (into six figures at least) before the other spouse is entitled to alimony (me <~ a lawyer, I would know). The standard alimony formula provides for alimony for 6 yrs. Generally, people who are ordered to pay alimony in large amounts for periods longer than 6 yrs. have money to burn. If both yourself and your ex were educated and equally able to supports themselves the Court would likely make you sell any house you owned and split it 50/50 or force one of you to buy the other out or make up the difference in the value of the house with some other property.
As for your useless name calling…
Part of any movement is to gain support from those on the other side. One of the great victories of Feminism is that it convinced men to support its goals and many men still support Feminism or what they still believe Feminism is today. As a women who wishes for an end to the gender war and an understanding by both sexes that we need each other, I support many of the ideas of the MRA movement: I believe the Family Court system needs drastic reforms; I staunchly believe in 50/50 joint custody; I believe that sex education on campus needs to include information regarding the harm of false rape accusations, as well as, teaching women to speak up and resist coercion, the feeling that they must have sex with their bf or others b/c the guy wants it. I believe that domestic violence is a mutual problem (though, I must admit I have difficulty understanding putting up with domestic violence whether you are a man or a women. I mean, I just would not let anybody hit on me. I have far too much respect for myself for that) And so on…
But, eveytime I start to feel the pain of a guy who has had a horrible time with a women, the system (Patrick Henry's story is terrible. I wish women didn't ruin their own lives by behaving this way, she probably didn't even end up with this guy she destroyed her marriage over. She will realize this someday); just when I begin to care about his emotions; some id**t comes along….
Protip: I don’t live in the United States, and where I live a man doesn’t need to make a lot of money in order to get leeched out. Also, there’s no way to make sure that the money goes to the child’s expenses and not to other things. As for your little diatribe about support from the other side and “just getting sympathy for men like Patrick Henry”: Go cry me a fucking river, you don’t give a shit about men unless they’re useful to you in some way. We’ll win this war and FTSU regardless of what you think.
Maybe if men had any reproductive rights.. However, they don’t. Intercourse is not authorisation for parenthood. Equity in family court would also be a good start.
Thanks for sharing this rather personal account brother…I always get the most from these types of real life articles and yours didn’t disappoint in any way. Any young men and boys thinking of engaging with the “supposed” fairer sex in matrimonial disharmony need to read this first.
I’d actually go so far as to say that you could frame it and place it on every registry office and church entrance throughout the world…it would make a lot of males think twice before they took another step.
Yeah that’s not a bad idea.
This article framed on a wall somewhere would be a terrific prophylactic – a giant condom behind glass on a wall.
“Nothing you could have told me back then would have changed my mind.”
…and there are millions and millions of fresh dummies out there with peckers, who say, “It will never happen to me,” – - – until it does, and that’s why it keeps on happening. And that’s why the legal system is allowed to continue destroying millions of husbands and fathers. Don’t get me wrong I was once one of those dummies too, and God knows, you’ve got my deepest sympathy.
Every year, or two, the local legal system that made my life a living hell for years, has the nerve to summon me for jury duty. In my post male-slave status, I stand and am sworn in with all the other panelists saying, “yes,” when demanded to say “yes.” When the others sit down, I remain standing and say, “UNDER DURESS,” loud and clear, then sit down.
As the judge’s eyes glow red and he fumes and raises his voice, I stare back from where I’ve drawn my line in the sand, and say in my mind, “Here’s one man not a part of your vile feminazi system today, you pompous, black-robed Stalin.”
America’s judges consume feminazi grade, blue pill suppositories in bulk. :-/
“My road: from blue pill to red”
Your story sounded eerily similar to one I read a while back at the ShatteredMen website called, “The Road From Home,” by Arizona Fathers. That one hit me in the gut too.
http://tinyurl.com/ydmbn3t
It begins:
“I remember seeing Ed that evening out in front of the house, talking as we had many times before. Ed was never one to share family problems, even with his best friend. He never liked to burden others with his own problems, but this time it was obvious that something was bothering him”
Another lesson to take from this: The Police Are NOT Your Friend!
Welcome to the fight, Patrick.
Patrick – Thank you sir for writing this. Very well done. We need this so badly. We are living in a world, just as you have described that disdains the emotional pain of men and scurries around trying to “fix” the emotional pain of women. Men are very aware of this harsh judgement and all too often choose to just keep it to themselves. We need more courageous men such as yourself to put their experience forward in stark techno-color truth. Thanks to Mr Elam we now have a “Voice.” I wonder, Paul, about having a separate section that is devoted to men’s stories. Maybe just a group of links to them?
“In my darkest hours, I considered taking my life.”
A few hours after I got home from this rally/protest in Torrance, CA, I got a call from one of the guys who was with us that day.
http://tinyurl.com/3j5vvar
He said his neighbor lady came up to him just as he got home and told him that her nephew had just blown his brains out with a .45 in front of a family member. She said he did it, because of what was happening to him in divorce court. I guess it must have happened about the same time we were putting up the tombstones to call attention to all the beatdead dads. :-/
Of course, since it was men who were protesting/rallying, some white knights of the legal system had to stop by and check us out – make sure we were good male slaves and not a danger to any of the other park goers.
http://tinyurl.com/89nh8hu
Getting falsely accused of sexual harrasment TWICE (because the first time wasn’t enough to convince me we have a problem), set my course.
The hapless, single, powerless “nice guy” is the target of a certian kind of woman looking for the corporation to “settle”. This is not as common as it was in the 90′s.
Then seeing Marc Rudov on Fox debating feminists about double-standards was a real WTF moment, “Hey, I’m not crazy and I’m not alone!”.
The de-programming from feminist propaganda is an extremely painful journey, which is why the majority of men avoid it. They know there’s an underlying unpleasantness that they’d prefer to not have to confront.
Even getting dragged through the family court system is not enough for many, as he’ll turn around and do it all over again. It’s a brutal awakening of consciousness. A guy shouldn’t have to be burned to see it, but sadly that’s often the case. Such is the power of the “mystique”.
“Then seeing Marc Rudov on Fox debating feminists about double-standards was a real WTF moment, “Hey, I’m not crazy and I’m not alone!”.”
And now Marc Rudov is gone from FOX and feminist advocate Lis Whiel is still there. That sucks. She never won a single debate against Marc, dare I say, “never won a single point against Marc.”
Rudov is the fucking man. If I hadn’t come across Tom Leykis first, I’d be thanking Marc for saving my life.
Suffice to say openly and actively criticizing female behavior did not endear Mr. Rudov to the viewership or sponsors of FNC, even though his segments were one of the most popular, if not controversial, they were running at the time.
You can only grow so much of the 30% white male demographic with hot and sassy blonds. Alienating the female audience though, is a zero-sum game.
Stories like these are why the MRM exists at all.
Stories like this are untold and untolled.
Sories like these are why we resistant Men are silenced by all of society today.
Stories like these are all the same, yet they are ALL uniquely different in that no Man’s pain is the same as another’s. None is lesser or greater than. It hurt me just as much as it hurt you my brothers and in my own special way, when my own version transpired…
Stories like these will never make it to Lifetime televison, or the OWN and the simple reason is because unlike Orca’s fictional, Bullshit vyktymologist blatherings, these stories are God’s very own truth.
Therefore:
Stories like these must NEVER get any mainstream exposure or attention, lest the very cornerstone of the biggest lie ever told begin to crumble…
“What does it mean to have no father? Those who have had one could not possibly imagine; seriously: you could not possibly fully appreciate the deficit of the absence of a father.”
I had a great father, but that exact same thought has crossed my mind, since being ambushed by feminazism in America’s: courts, schools, media, etc. This could well have happened to him if I’d been born a little later.
How dare the vile harpies of gender feminism, and their toadies, think they are free to attack such fine men as my father. I’m outraged. Even now, they’d love to destroy the legacy of my father, along with all their slander and libel about Patriarchy, and all their witch-hunting of males. How dare them! Therefore, it is not enough to sit idly by and allow their misandrist lies to pass.
One woman once told me to let it go, referring to the injury done to me by the agenda of gender feminism. “Never,” I replied, “I can’t live under vile lies.” then I repeated it more firmly, “NEVER.” Did you hear that gender feminists and your toadies, or are your ears too filled with your own dreck? :-/
I don’t get told to let it go, but I do hear the old NAWALT argument quite often. God I hate that fucking phrase, it’s so dismissive, and a big red flag that the woman you’re talking to has the defense of Team Vagina on her mind at all times. Same with when they try to downplay how many women are willing to destroy men’s lives. Blue Pill Propaganda I call it.
I need to find some female MRAs, some real, honest, genuine women who hate feminism as much as we do. No offense guys, opening up to you is great, but as I imagine you’ll agree, nothing’s quite like being able to find a woman who truly isn’t like that to talk to. I imagine that one day when I do find such a woman, that I’ll feel much like how men used to feel when they interacted with women in the days before feminism: Safe. Comfortable. Relaxed. Appreciated.
Damn the women that took that away from us. Damn them all to fucking Hell.
The NAWALT statement is infuriating. I actually have more respect (though very little in total) for Radical Feminists than Moderates. Radicals tend to be upfront with their ideas (though now we’re starting to see them retreat to discussing them behind closed doors/exclusive web sites). However, Moderates continue to benefit from the gains achieved by the Radical’s efforts as they “push” the social envelope and “radical” notions become more acceptable and mainstream (i.e. via changes to laws).
In my opinion, the statement of NAWALT means the following to a Moderate Feminist.
I let others do the “dirty work” and I ultimately gain the rewards.
The Radfem gang (based on their web site comments) seems to have very little time/love lost for their moderate “sisters”.
It is unfortunate that any/all efforts to “drive a wedge” between these two groups has been (so far) largely ineffective.
What strategies/tactics might you suggest “General” Fidelbogen?
It’s in the nature of feminism itself to dismiss any and all instances of women behaving very badly, towards anyone, as being isolated, not representative of the overall cause or gender. Which, of course, not only makes it exceedingly difficult to make the radicals look like a serious problem to the moderates, but is a beyond infuriating double-standard, since feminism’s nature simultaneously condemns all men for the actions of just a few.
I don’t know about strategies, but there’s one thing I think we can trust in: the sexual curiosity of young women. As we know, women are becoming more and more brazen about their sexuality by the day, and I think that can serve to our advantage. Think about this: Things are most likely going to get worse before they get better, meaning that we’re going to have fewer and fewer males going to college for the next few years, possibly decades.
Now, I may not have gone to college, but one thing I know about it (thanks largely to the internet) is that that is where a large number of women let their “freak flag fly”. And near as I can tell, access to horny young men is a key factor in that. So, to me, it stands to reason that future generations of women are going to notice when they get to college and find that they have to compete with about 1,000 other women for the attention of the mere handful of boys that are available to fool around with.
Granted, that may not necessarily spark thoughts of: “Hey, WTF did feminism do with all the swinging dicks in this joint?”, in fact, more likely, it’ll be regarded as the result of men getting progressively dumber over the years, but it’s a start, at least, an opening that we MRAs can stuff with red pills.
Amen to that brother, I keep getting told the ‘NAWALT’ canard and to “just go and find myself a nice homely girlfriend”. In my country, things haven’t gotten as bad as in the US regarding sex politics, but women are already starting to mirror the toxic behaviors of North American women and it’s a matter of a few years before everything goes to hell.
Heh, here in the states, we often hear fat ugly women insult the men that sleep around (with women who don’t look at all like them) by declaring that “they can’t handle a REAL woman”. Which, of course, really means: “They can’t handle a fat, disgusting, loud-mouthed, ball-busting bitch like me, and it pisses me off so I’m going to be as much of a loud-mouthed bitch as possible, because it’s all I know how to do.”
Feminism is a disease, one that doesn’t exactly spread quickly, but once it’s in your system, god damn is it hard to get rid of. I almost feel like laughing at how just about the only region on Earth that’s safe from its reach is the Middle East, which is probably the greatest source of ACTUAL misogyny of them all, so you’d think it would be more of a target. But no, feminists aren’t about to go poking THAT beehive with a stick any time soon, especially not after the U.S. finally decides to give up on the place altogether and just stay the fuck away. Feminism can’t do any real damage without an army of white knights paving the way for them.
We had a female president who got a truckload of misandric laws passed and could have done a whole lot more damage if it weren’t for the opposing party. Imagine that we have a legal figure called “femicide”, which is essentially a much harsher penalty for murder JUST BECAUSE the victim was a female who had some kind of relationship with the killer (romantic, platonic or familial). So if you get 5-10 yrs for manslaughter, make it double for ‘femicide’ and with no parole or other benefits.
Patrick,
Thanks for sharing your story.
I, as well as many other readers could check off the laundry list of injustices you mentioned.
In your opening lines I was reminded of my own childhood. My mother and father divorced, they both wanted to bury the hatchet. The only difference was that ma’ wanted to bury it in the back of dad’s skull.
Mom managed to work her hatred into my younger brother’s head but I was a couple of years older and managed to keep my relationship with my father intact.
I can remember the first time I witnessed female on male domestic violence. There was screaming yelling going on I wasn’t that old. It was around the 1980′s
My father at the bottom of the stairs in the house my mother at the top. Insults flying back and forth, an empty beer bottle located innocently on the banister at the top of the stairs. The sound “whoof whewf whoof” as it flew from my mother’s hand and down the stairs. The flight of the beer bottle( what is now called a “stubby”) was in slow motion it seemed.
The sound of the impact against my father’s forehead, more sounds as the glass fell to the floor. The blood running down my father’s face.
How he managed not to come up those stairs and answer my mother’s assault on him I do not know.
The cops in the house, my father with a set of cuffs on being lead away that night. His face covered in blood my mother screaming like a banshee. My mother with not even a scratch on her still verbally attacking him while he was in cuffs.
I made sure my father knew I loved him until his time came.
My mother still to this day when she is angry at me tells me “you’re just like that no good s.o.b. father of your’s”
I’m going to stop my story there as my comment is a note of thanks, and understanding. I am sorry for your troubles, I like many others have walked, no not walked were force marched through a misandric justice system.
Thank you for sharing.
Welcome to the red pill Patrick and as a great man once said time to FTSU !
That is s o m e horrible story. Your father, is he still in contact with you… and your younger brother, has he seen the light since then ?
It must have been very traumatic to have that image with you then,, and now come to think of it.
You swallowed a red pill the size of a hockey puck that day didn’t you ?
Dr. F.
I have struggled for 2 days over replying to you.
Not because I didn’t want to. Just wasn’t sure what to say.
My father passed away in 2004 from cancer that started in his prostrate. ( attention alex manley if you want his badge of honour you can find it down about 6 feet under his grave stone ) I was with him 24 hours before he passed, he was hospitalized out of town and I had to make a trip back into Hamilton to cash a paycheck so I could turn around and get back to his bedside. As I was getting ready to head back up to the hospital ( about 2.5 hours away ) I received the call.
My brother,,, I have said about 10 sentences to him in the last 6 months. At the time of my father’s death he had not spoken to dad for about 10 years. ( like I said my mother tried to poison both our minds but only succeeded with him ) When I informed my brother about our father’s condition he begged me to go up with him so they could talk. I did and they got to have a conversation that was 10 years in the making. A few days later one of my “step sisters” made the comment ” why did your brother bother coming up to talk to your dad? After all he hasn’t bothered for 10 years”
I wanted to scream at her, not that I could string together suitable words without using belligerence, so I didn’t I just left it at ” both of them wanted to talk ”
My brother is still ingesting the sweet tasting poison known as the blue pill. Even after his ex-business partner’s ex wife has decided to go after him for money.
Him and his business partner opened a second shop and then parted ways. All the equity built up in the 2 businesses was divided, an agreement was signed, now 5 years later bang she hits him with a civil matter demanding more money. It wasn’t even his wife and that business matter was decided long ago beyond the statute of limitations in Ontario but hey she’s a woman and we all know what that means in a court of law.
There was lots of other things surrounding my father’s death, like how the step-mother got my father to sign something 8 hours before his death while he was morphined up. The fact that my dad’s brother who was co-executor of the will was taken off as co-executor leaving only a step-brother as the executor. In the will neither I nor my brother was mentioned in it, and yet I know that in the will my uncle was co-executor of there was paragraphs that dealt with me and my brother. My work at the time penalized me for taking the last 2 weeks of my father’s life off to be with him. At my quarterly review I was still given a 74 % rating and yet there was to be no raise when I asked why I was told because I took those 2 weeks off. I packed up my tool chest in an hour and a half, and walked out of there without ever looking back. I couldn’t in good conscience work for a company that thoughtless.
As for the mini mental movie it has stuck with me for 30 years. Traumatizing in my younger years for sure but now I think of it as my first wake-up call and taste of the red pill. Yes it was the size of a hockey puck and the taste was awful but then again when has medicine ever tasted good.
If you wan’t to study crazy abusive women, watch the show hoarders, most of the hoarders are women, and many treat their family’s like dirt.
Hoarders is almost an MRA show.
I have also noticed the logic/tactics the more abusive hoarders use to justify their hoarding are very similar to the logic/tactics feminists use when debating MRA’s on the fairfax media websites blogs.
Karma,
I don’t need to watch it I lived it, two 18 cubic yard bins of crap my mother hoarded over the years were taken out of her basement.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you see above comment for reasons.
36 cubic yards!
Patrick – it both hurts my heart and enheartens me to read your story – which, with the exception of the absent father, is like a younger man’s version of my own.
The good news is that *now*, you, or any of us could meet that cop out in the driveway, and say, “Take me to jail: Because once you do, my one phonecall is going to be to a coordinator amongst my men friends. Our friends will then know about it. And after that, the whole fuckin world is going to know about it”.
OT. To anyone that can post comments on YouTube: ‘Vuggish’ could use some backup over on the Anon vid, which seems to have been invaded by ‘too cool for morality’ hipsters defending S.C.U.M.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlBNQ-Vxtk
Pat, many thanks for your moving and genuine testimony. The guys are with you.
And thanks for the backup on YT brother
FTSU!
femini$$m is a beast, femini$$m is the making of and next empowering low sic&selfish anti-male esteems, femini$$m is a sniper, a drone, femini$$m is a transgenerational collective cognitive dissonance, sooner or later manifesting as an antisocial destructive force, femini$$m specialized and polluted the system by falsifying legislations and making millions of expert/state-jobs, asif macro-econmomic growth making an unpayable debt, the making of feminized homophile shitizens, an insane reality ..
Advader, can’t decide whether that’s Ginsbeg, Corso, or Ferlinghetti, but I liked it.
Wow Patrick, when I was first reading your great story I thought for sure I was reading about Thomas Ball all over again. Essentially similar. I am just damn glad and grateful you didn’t…go that way
.
Because I swear the more I read stories like yours the more I see that feminism and the way it gets it’s way in so many relationships and marriages, the more I see how it damn sure CAN drive a man to suicide. Or at the very least crippling depression and emotional pain. Anyone that says otherwise is taking the blue pill in suppository form.
Thanks Patrick.
Margaret Wente pissed off the feminists by blowing the whistle on their rape hysteria racket on Tuesday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/the-amazing-news-about-rape-statistics/article2244041/
Can’t stop the signal…
Mr Stodern,
I’ve reprinted your comment at my blog. I hope that’s all right. It’s an extraordinary insight and summary of things and needs to be shared.
Which comment would that be? And yes, it’s all right, whichever one it is.
Partially OT: I just stumbled across a web site (Christian woman aghast at feminism, and who hates “manning up” as a shaming tactic). In one of her articles (titled Remove The Needs), she cites a book published in 1914 that brilliantly predicts MGTOW!!!
http://fullofgraceseasonedwithsalt.blogspot.com/2010/04/remove-needs.html
FWIW, I found numerous of her posts very thought-provoking. And I’m not even religious.
And no one seems to know why there are so many murder-suicides in this screwed up culture. Sort of like the Japanese not understanding why the atomic bomb was dropped on them just because they they wanted to get the US attention at Pearl Harbor. Men have their own Pearl Harbors. Find wifie having an affair, man files for divorce, she gets the kids, alimony, child support and the house.
My Peral Harbor wasn’t December 7 but it’s a day that will live in infamy.
That appears to be where No Fault Divorce went wrong, it enabled women who violated the terms of the marriage contract to walk away rewarded rather than punished.
Personally, I think marriage laws need to be abolished altogether. I’ve never felt that the government had any business regulating what is supposed to be a spiritual union to begin with. WTF happened to separation of church and state, huh?
@ td9red: Every state has different divorce laws. I don’t earn anywhere near 6 figures. As far as the guy she destroyed our marriage over, he dumped her before the divorce papers were even signed.
Yes, divorce laws are different in every state. I can only speak about my state. Actually I can only speak about the judicial district I live in. Other districts do things much differently even though the law is the same. Generally, in the state I live in the most important factors when deciding to award alimony are the length of the marriage (<7yrs is a short term marriage), the age of the parties, and the ability to pay. Alimony may be awarded to a young person who was a party to a marriage only for a short time to permit them to get back into the job market. If the young spouse actually worked it's going to be diffiult to get alimony. Alimony may be awarded to an older person for a longer period of time if b/c of the marriage they did not work and were out of the job market for a very long time which means they would have a very difficult time finding a job.
Your state must have really really bad laws regarding alimony/maintenance if you had to pay alimony.
CA is pretty bad when it comes to alimony. From what I understand, being married for ten years guarantees the spouse that made less money throughout that time gets alimony for the rest of their lives, or until they get re-married, which of course no gold-digging bitch is going to do.
Child support is even worse, you heard about Jon Cryor, right? Dude owes his ex-wife child support even though their kids ARE IN HIS FUCKING CUSTODY. Fucking blue pill justice system man.
I for one will applaud the loudest when alimony is finally abolished. It’s one of the most ridiculous and sexist god damn ideas ever. Marriage itself will die first though, as women still always stubbornly refuse to marry down, and men will only ever refuse more and more to get married at all (though we’re being forced to make that choice, whereas women have options, they just don’t want to exercise them).
Excellent article, keep up the good work!
To Sting Chameleon: See, that’s why no American worth their salt can allow a woman to become president until feminism is dead. Afterwards, well… we’ll see. But definitely not while we’re on the course we’re on at the moment. I’m just glad that despite being the majority of the electorate, women in general don’t seem to want a woman president any more than men do.
Although, I think there is the slight possibility that a female president could end up speeding up the process of destroying feminism for good. But that’s a long shot.
The damage done by her administration is still felt, and we’re seeing feminist NGOs slowly but surely creeping up in the mainstream. In my country we live in a fairly matriarchal society where mothers have always had a strong clout in families and pretty much dictated everything in the shadows, and most of the older women realize this and thus don’t bother with feminism. The younger ones on the other hand…
qdpsteve: “… I got the California State sexual harassment feminazi on my case.”
Cite her name! We can do research, dig up dirt.
I am glad to see I am not alone. I don’t have the same background as you since my mother was very old fashioned and just put up with my Dad quietly, and as a result had and still does have a very nice life. But my marriage was almost exactly as you describe it. I had everything I had ever wanted in my life: wife, house, kids, dog, etc. Then my wife ran off and had an affair. I was actually willing to forgive, but she refused to let me. Some how it was all my fault that the other guy had dumped her (I guess I was baggage at that point getting in the way). It seemed to me at the time like someone had dropped a bomb on me. As I look back I realize it had been in the works for years. My ex-wife was longing for some sort of fulfillment, and it was my fault she wasn’t getting it. I suppose if she had her way it still would be my fault (maybe in her mind it is?), but I have happily moved on. I am much happier now by myself. I suppose I do live for my kids, but how I miss all the things I have lost. I just cannot look back.
I hear you brother.
MRA’s are calling these insurgent fundamental bigoted feminists
My ex sent me broke, then left, I had legal aid that stopped, I am reapplying and may get legal aid on the grounds the respondent is seeking new orders at trial 27 28 Feb, for passport, citizenship, full responsibility over our 2yo son and to take him to Thailand on the pretence of a 1 month visit. In reality she has no intention of returning him to Australia.
She admits to Child Safety no DV, claimed public housing on false premise. She is attempting to run out with our son.
The video shows he won’t go to her at change over, he is scared of her, cries and runs away, supported by my Mum’s affidavit, my affidavit and the respondent’s admitions in her affidavit.
He has a bad ICL that isn’t telling the truth, I caught her out right lying in the letter of appointment to the report writer, she wrote the mother supports shared care but the father doesn’t, the complete opposite to the truth, she failed to provide the report writer the video evidence, that I handed up to the magistrate with my affidavit at the second mention.
The ICL is acting out of bias, discrimination and possibly bigotry, she is fully aware his primary attachment “PA” is with me, but bias and corrupted reports say PA is with the respondent, I mentioned the PA is in dispute to the report writer offered him video as evidence. His report he claimed he couldn’t play the video, and at the end of the report he claimed he has completed and investigated this matter fully..
I am looking for urgent legal advice.
http://fathersunionaustralia.com/wp/
I have been through the same story , very few differences indeed to that and on i lighter note to my fellow MRA’S but still passing the message , a word to the wise, take a look at this link.
take a look at this article
http://www.thefrisky.com/2011-09-25/teaching-boys-to-be-feminists/
be warned, you might hurl after reading
Working on my YouTube skills:
Nice video.
I admit I used to say ‘not all women are like that’ and I genuinely meant it..and I was genuinely misguided. Upon reflection, I should have realized that as a women with no female friends, I did not know so much about it. I suspect I was projecting my own characteristics on other women. Truth is that the ‘not all’ refers to such a small minority that it bears no relevance in the big picture. Thank you to Patrick and all the commentators who drove that point home for me.
Patrick:
My jaw dropped in near disbelief as I read your story. Thank you for sharing it. I hope that you can reconnect with your kids in the future if you have not already and I hope that she was not able to poison their minds with her sick and twisted ways of thinking. I wish you the best with your MGTOW path.
Lee:
I’m glad to see women, as well as men, are walking up to the injustices caused by feminism. It took men’s help to put these unjust laws in place; it will take the help of women to take them down. I’m pleased my article helped you see red pill reality.
I see my kids but I’m always on the razors edge of her whims. They are pawns in a twisted game of extortion.
Let me be the first to say, “Welcome to the men’s rights movement.”
Pat
I infer she has you on the child support leash. What a scam that is.. Thank you for the welcome.
This story is my story. The only difference is she didn’t cheat, at least I don’t think so because she hated men and would vocalize that.
My career, the til death do us part vow and believing it, children, the police with no physical harm, the horror, told to leave, the realization of the setup, the apartment, the manning up for work, the taking of all assets are exactly the same.
That was 24 years ago. I have been single ever since.
She retired from the IRS with 6 figures.
Go Figure.
I feel your pain brother.
Man…sounds like my situation in 1995. VAWA was in swing then so my removal from the house after the RO, after an argument regarding my wifes affairs at the home while I was at work. Same ‘ol, Same ‘ol. At the time I know exactly how you felt….”how can they do this…” after 15 or so years I know understand the profit motive and the make-work programs for the fembots. I don’t even like to go into detail anymore when asked why on certain issues regarding my life and the way I live it. Basically, in 15 years I’ve boiled it down to, as I a said at a school meeting last week regarding why I don’t have custody of my son and why I have little influence over his behaviour as he is raised by an alienating single feral “mom,” “The family court is an corrupt anti-male, government profit center and I don’t have the money to waste there anymore.” Thanks for the article…I understand!