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Male Privilege Checklist

Forty Seven Lies : another tool to silence men rebuked.

Check your privilege. This choice nugget of establishment-feminist shit-talk doesn’t get thrown around with the frequency it used to, but the cultural meme of “male privilege” continues to occupy the podium of unchallengeable truths. In fact, this idea has been of such utility to gender ideologues that rather than letting it dissolve and die as feminism becomes increasingly recognized as a violent hate movement built on lies, the trope of “male privilege” should be properly dragged into the spotlight and destroyed.

However, it’s also worthwhile to examine just what the political utility of this lie is. In short, “check your privilege” is a highly effective method of silencing men. By telling men, or when men reject the lie, telling everyone else that men are privileged, a feminist can render their voice mute. For example a man complaining that “stop violence against women” ignores the fact that men, rather than women, are the majority of violent crime victims – but a simple utterance of “check your privilege” renders any man’s complaint void. What he says doesn’t matter, he’s male and privileged and we can all move along and redirect resources to female victims. This has been so effective that for decades gender ideologues and robotic conformists to the status quo continue to use it.

What about male suicide, which is 4 times higher than female suicide, and in men post divorce, 11 times higher? Well, men have the privilege of being unaware of their privilege. Like magic, poof, such complaints for male consideration are vanished behind the over-riding TRUTH that men are privileged. The same simple trick works for any issue. Witness the co-option of citizen activism within the occupy wall-street protests. When gender ideologues injected themselves and their ideology into that movement a protocol for order-of-speakers was established called the “progressive stack.” In this system, at gatherings where activists were to speak before crowds, the order-of-speaker was that “traditionally oppressed” ethnicities and sexual orientations would go automatically to the front of the line and white men would go to the back. Thus, white men were – through rhetorical-ideological sleight of hand, effectively silenced.

However, in addressing this venerable claim of male privilege, some, who argue for recognition of male human rights sometimes have occasion to ask the forbidden question: what privilege is anyone talking about? After all, men die earlier, commit suicide at higher rates, die on the job at higher rates, work longer hours, receive lesser comparative medical funding, are more of the homeless, and in many other areas get the shaft, so what privilege are we talking about here? Where are the examples?

When asked of gender ideologues – this usually elicits one of several predictable responses. The first and most popular reply, when asked “what male privilege” is, of course, silence. The next most popular predictable response is the hilariously stupid: “If you don’t already know, then I can’t help you.”

As this is an irrational response, it’s useful to list several another versions of the same answer. When an ideologue, asked for examples of male privilege offers something as sadly pathetic as “If you don’t already know, then I can’t help you.” what they mean is this:

“I have no evidence, so I’m going to try to shift the burden of evidence for my claim onto you, because you oppose my asinine argument.”

This response, if it’s even to be dignified by continued engagement with whoever offers it, can be brushed aside by pointing out that the burden of evidence always rests on the person making a positive claim. Then again, those arguing for the human rights of men and boys, if they’re not inclined to provide free education to ideologues, might prefer a more succinct answer.

Fuck you, for example.

However, when challenged to provide an example of the claimed “male privilege” feminists so often use to attempt to silence oppositional argument, an increasingly common response is to post a link to a document called the “male privilege checklist”.

This tactic betrays the laziness, ignorance, and intellectual void from which feminist rhetoric springs. Rather than formulating an answer of his or her own, anyone employing this demonstrates their argument as simple repetition of programmed doctrine, rather than an intelligent response. The list itself, if those posting links to it even read it, is an indictment of the bankruptcy of the “male privilege” claim. Sadly, it’s unlikely that those using this “argument” even bother to read it, because while none of the items in the list actually demonstrate male privilege, many show the opposite case. Because of the robotic and intellectual vacancy of such actors, it’s unnecessary – and ultimately pointless to bother -actually addressing the non-argument of any blind linkage to the “male privilege checklist”.

This rebuttal includes the complete text of that so called proof of male privilege, along with explanation of the falsehood of every single claim in the list.

The Male Privilege Checklist: Or, a great list of lies, designed to exhaust and insult anyone with the intellectual integrity to actually read and address those lies.

  1. A man’s odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in his favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

    This is flatly false. In fact, this is the reverse of the truth. Men, especially white men, are uniquely disadvantaged in getting hired. Affirmative action, multicultural workplace and equal opportunity employment policies in all areas of the working world function to send men to the back of the line when competing for jobs – even when those men have superior qualifications and greater relevant experience.
  2. A man can be confident that his co-workers won’t think he got his job because of his sex – even though that might be true.

    “even though that might be true.”
    The fact that women might be hired based on their sex or retained during a period of lay-offs due to their sex is presented in a list of male privileges as if female advantage – when known by co-workers somehow becomes a male privilege. The stupidity of this claim is beyond explanation.
  3. If a man is never promoted, it’s not because of his sex.

    Once again, women being promoted due to their sex, which the author of this “privilege checklist” doesn’t dispute; somehow, this is characterized as a male privilege. The fact that men are not generally promoted except when they’ve earned it – this is a privilege enjoyed by males? Holy fuck.
  4. If a man fails in any job or career, he can feel sure this won’t be seen as a black mark against his entire sex’s capabilities.

    This is no truer for men than for women. It is not a privilege.
  5. A man is far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than his female co-workers are.

    This is false. Men face sexual harassment at work – the only difference being they have no recourse; if they complain, they will usually be fired or demoted.
  6. If a man does the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think he did a better job.

    This is false, also in many cases women have an advantage in being able to assume credit for work done by male colleagues.
  7. Whether a male is a teen or adult, and if he can stay out of prison, his odds of being raped are relatively low.

    This is false, and not a privilege.
    The odds of being raped if a female are also relatively low, however, for males, odds of violent criminal victimization are significantly higher. In addition, rapes of females are treated as a major crime, where rapes of males are treated as comedy.
  8. On average, men are taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than their female counterparts are.

    While it is true that men are taught to fear less than women, men are much more likely to be victimized by violent crime than women, so this is not a male privilege.
  9. If a man chooses not to have children, his masculinity will not be called into question.

    This is a false comparison, since men who do not marry are considered “un-manly” or social failures. Thus, once more, not a privilege.
  10. If a man has children but does not provide primary care for them, his masculinity will not be called into question.

    This is another false comparison, to the extent that a woman who doesn’t care for her children will be criticized, a man who DOES care for his children as a stay-home-dad will also be considered less masculine.
  11. If a man has children and provides primary care for them, he’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if he’s even marginally competent.

    This is false, men are treated with great suspicion when caring for children, and stay home fathers are regularly considered weak failures.
  12. If a man has children and a career, no one will think he is selfish for not staying at home.

    Another falsehood. Men do not have the option of retaining a career and staying at home. By contrast, women are socially accommodated in this respect.
  13. If a man seeks political office, his relationship with his children, or who he hires to take care of them will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

    This is another false comparison, a man running for political office who has any role except working-full-time away from his family will be socially censured and heavily scrutinized.
  14. For men, elected representatives are mostly people of their own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

    Another implied falsehood. Having elected representatives the same sex as voters is not a privilege or an advantage. Politicians traditionally cater to women, as women comprise a small but real majority of the electorate, and female favoring policies also appeal to traditionalist men.
  15. When a man asks to see “the person in charge,” odds are he will face a person of his own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer he can be.

    This is not a privilege; men in positions of power and authority define their identities primarily by relationship to their hierarchy, not principally as men. They see men lower than themselves as tools, and men equal to and higher than themselves as competition.
  16. As a child, chances are that boys are encouraged to be more active and outgoing than girls.

    This reflects our culture’s requirements of boys to act directly, take risks, and disregard their safety on behalf of others, and our tendency to protect and shelter girls. This is not a male privilege.
  17. As a child, a boy can choose from an almost infinite variety of children’s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of their own sex. Boys never have to look for it; male protagonists were (and are) the default.

    Children’s literature provides models for male identity which almost exclusively require sacrifice and service and ultimately, disposability. This is how the literary device of the “hero” is defined, by sacrifice, and disposability.
  18. As a child, chances are that boys are given more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often.

    This is false. Girls are favored and catered to in primary, secondary, and post secondary education; as evidenced by rates of drop out, personality-flattening medication, and educational success outcomes.
  19. If a man’s day, week or year is going badly, he need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

    Neither women nor men “need ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones”. Only a paranoid moron subjects all negative experience to this type of minute analysis.
  20. A man can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of his own sex widely represented.

    This is true of both sexes, and also irrelevant. Not a privilege.
  21. If a man is careless with his financial affairs it won’t be attributed to his sex.

    To the extent that this is true, it’s true or false in relation to both sexes, and also irrelevant. Not a privilege.
  22. If a man is careless with his driving it won’t be attributed to his sex.

    This is false, young men typically pay higher insurance than young women, in violation of law.
  23. A man can speak in public to a large group without putting his sex on trial.

    To the extent that this is true, it’s true or false in relation to both sexes, and also irrelevant. Not a privilege.
  24. Even if a man sleeps with a lot of women, there is no chance that he will be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.”

    This is false, creep shaming and virgin shaming are corollaries to slut shaming.
  25. Men do not have to worry about the message their wardrobe sends about sexual availability.

    False. Men’s wardrobes and other signals of status govern whether women will instantly dismiss them as irrelevant, invisible, and non-persons.
  26. Men’s clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women’s clothing for the same social status. While a man has fewer options, his clothes will probably fit better than a woman’s without tailoring.

    “Fewer options” [True].“his clothes will probably fit better than a woman’s without tailoring” [False].

    So women’s broader clothing options are rhetorically contorted into a male privilege. The smaller profit margin of women clothing, due to manufacturers producing more variety translates to lesser quality – and this is a male privilege? The dishonesty in this list is utterly staggering.

  27. The grooming regimen expected of a man is relatively cheap and consumes little time.

    Women’s decoration, in hair, makeup, jewelry, and other adornment might be inconvenient, but this ignores the reason why women wear makeup, jewelry, and so on. Woman are valued; in fact, they are treasured; as individuals. Men, by contrast, have value only to the extent that they are of use to women or to a larger collective. Men are, in fact, disposable. So putting on lipstick is a chore, oh dear, how awful that must be for you, to be valued enough to be decorated with makeup and jewelry.
  28. If a man buys a new car, chances are he’ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car.

    If you possess skill at negotiation, you’ll get a better price, if you allow a professional car dealer to dictate to you, you’ll get the shaft. This is unrelated to sex, except that women, by employing their sexual power have a tool of manipulation men lack. This is not a male privilege.
  29. If a man is not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

    Women’s attractiveness to men is measured in health, youth, and biological signals of fertility. Things ALL women are endowed with by nature (some to greater degree than others). Men’s attractiveness to women is measured by accomplishment, it’s earned; thus, once more, not a male privilege.
  30. A man can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. A man can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.

    Word games: Men who are loud and aggressive are called assholes and douche-bags. In addition, a man who pushes this asshole behavior far enough will get punched in the face, where a woman will not.
  31. A man can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called “crime” and is a general social concern.

    “violence which happens mostly to men”
    How is this a male privilege? Legal protection against criminal victimization (outside of domestic violence) is applied to women and to men, with extra vigor in applied protection for women, due to men’s naturally wired behavior to protect females more than males.

    (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called “domestic violence” or “acquaintance rape,” and is seen as a special interest issue.)

    This is another lie, domestic violence is committed against men and women at nearly identical levels, except where it is one-sided (where the victim does not reciprocate the violence), and in that one-sided violence, women are the majority of perpetrators. Despite this, almost all public narrative perpetuates the falsehood that men are the universal aggressors in DV. Being falsely labeled as evil and violent based on sexual identity is not a privilege.

  32. A man can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include his sex. “All men are created equal,” mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

    Through most of history, men and women have had differing roles, based on the social disposability of men and the tendency to protect and care for women, thus the names of careers reflect male undertaking in these pursuits. This is not male privilege; it’s a byproduct of male care-taking of women. In other words, a byproduct of historical female privilege.
  33. A man’s ability to make important decisions and his capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

    This is because men do not vary in their emotions or capabilities based on what time of the month it is. Social recognition of the REALITY that women’s emotions and capabilities DO vary in such a regard is not privilege, it’s a reflection of observable reality. Privilege would be the public agreeing to a consensus that indeed, women are unaffected by their own biology, and are exactly identical to men in their capabilities. This consensus agreement with fiction is increasingly the norm, as entry standards for physically onerous jobs such as soldier, firefighter, and police officer are lowered for women, even as their pay and powers within such jobs are legally the same as men, who perform those physically onerous tasks at a higher average capability.
  34. A man will never be expected to change his name upon marriage or questioned if he doesn’t change his name.

    False, men will sometimes be expected to change their name, and belittled when they do, as well as when they don’t. In addition, WOMEN will almost never be expected to get down on one knee and beg a man’s hand in marriage, nor shell out 3 months salary for a bauble, nor fill the role of financial underwriter of the entire enterprise. Those “privileges” are reserved for men.
  35. The decision to hire a man will not be based on assumptions about whether or not he might choose to have a family sometime soon.

    This is true to the extent that men are not allowed the option and luxury of suspending their career to be parents, while women enjoy such privilege, while their jobs are legally preserved by federal law, should they chose to return. Men who do take such indulgence are expected to start new jobs on their return to the work force- without intercession from the state. Oh, those lucky, lucky, privileged men.
  36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of the male sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

    Except for hinduism, and its offshoots, and Buddhism – which has no god figure.
    Concerning Islam, Allah is both male and female, so god being male is limited even in abrahamic traditions to Christianity and Judaism. Judaism being the western faith which brought us the innovation of cutting off the most sensitive tip of the male sexual organ.According to renowned biologist Dr. Richard Dawkins, the god of the bible is: “arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

    What a privilege it is to be the same sex as this character.

    In addition, within christianity, Mary, the mother of Jesus was the closest to the deity through her giving birth of humanity’s apparent saviour. Women, as the direct creators of human life are naturally most closely associated to the creative powers of god.

    Also, the absence of a gospel of Mary Magdelin – who was Jesus’s companion (wife) removes from Christian canon any pathway to naturalistic male spirituality through men’s bodies. Women, by comparison do have such a path. Men’s pathway to “grace” within western religious tradition is through service and sacrifice, and explicitly excludes their own bodies.

    St. Augustine of Hippo, born 354 AD, declared the penis a demon rod, and semen a sort of toxic glue. Semen, within a more naturalistic religious philosophy would be a spiritual sacred elixir, rather than male sexual expression being a road to damnation.

    If a this is a privilege, we’re going to need a new definition for privilege.

  37. Most major religions argue that the man should be the head of the household, while a wife and children should be subservient to the man.

    Feminine submission is a method of control and indirect domination. It is a way of enslaving a man into the role of total responsibility, without any exit or relief. The traditionalist Christian “surrendered wife” is a way to make a man into a draft animal.
  38. If a man has a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are that household chores will be divided so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks.

    This is false; the reality is that she will do the safest, easiest, and the indoor tasks, while the man will do the most physically onerous tasks, those outside the house, and those which are the most dangerous. But whenever housework is mentioned, this fact is omitted, because this is almost always presented in the context of a dishonest list of supposed male privileges.
  39. If a man has children with his girlfriend or wife, he can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

    This is true, but what’s also true is that those men performing any child care task are automatically suspected of and frequently accused of sexual deviancy and child molestation, and demeaned and belittled based on such pursuits being un-manly. Also, men are expected to hustle out to the workplace to fund home-childrearing activities, without complaint, and with no recognition that maybe they’d rather be with their families instead of grinding out some unrewarding and potentially dangerous 9 to 5 on behalf of wife and kids at home. So guess what, not a male privilege.
  40. If a man has children with his wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of them needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are both will assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

    False. (see above)
    Also, women have legal reproductive rights. Men, by contrast have only the obligation to support and to finance whatever reproductive choices a woman may make. Whether a couple come to agreement on reproduction or not, in law, the woman’s choice is supported and enforced by the state, for a man, there is only the obligation to pay.
  41. Assuming a man is heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to him sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

    Feminine sexuality is feminine power. Men are manipulated through commercial exaggeration of, and the marketing of feminine sexuality. The “male privilege” being complained of is the privilege to be manipulated by this imagery. The comparative salaries of female and male porn actors express this power imbalance quite clearly. On average, female performers earn 6 times what their male contemporaries do.
  42. In general, a man is under much less pressure to be thin than his female counterparts are. If he is fat, he probably suffers fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do.

    This is another false comparison. For men, the social pressure is to be lean and muscular. The claim that men face fewer social consequences for failure to conform to a body ideal is simply false.
  43. If a man is heterosexual, it’s incredibly unlikely that he’ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover.

    False. Peer reviewed research on domestic violence shows that in reciprocal violence, men and women commit violence at equal levels, and in one-sided violence, women are the majority of aggressors. In addition, men seeking outside help when they are victimized risk being arrested rather than helped and men who have been victimized are routinely mocked in mainstream media as weak, un-manly, and sissies.
  44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to men on the street and tell them to “smile.”

    False comparison again. A man looking directly into the eyes of another man risks violence in response. Women generally do not carry such risk. Men are also far more likely to be victims of violence generally.
  45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to men. Men do not need to plot their movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment.

    Another false comparison. Sexual harassment in a female heavy workplace is common, and generally has no remedy through the company’s HR department or through law. A man complaining of such harassment will likely be fired and publicly mocked. In addition, men in public are the overwhelming majority of the victims of violent crime.
  46. On average, a man is not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.

    False. Seriously, come on, this is a prepared list of supposed “male privileges”, and what we’re delivered is pathetic falsehoods, so obvious, unsupportable and blatantly untrue that reason isn’t even required to dispute them.
  47. Men have the privilege of being unaware of their male privilege.

    In reality, men have the privilege of being endlessly told of privileges which don’t exist, and being silenced, marginalized, sent to the back of the line, and belittled based on a cultivated narrative that they are privileged when they are not.

So there you have it, a list of forty-seven feeble lies. What’s most appalling about this list is not that any individual lie is so easily debunked. Rather that this is a prepared list, not vomited up in the middle of a debate, but assembled and collected in advance of challenge of substantiation of the worn out lie of “male privilege”. Even after passing through many hands, this pathetic collection of moronic falsehoods is the best rebuke which feminist has to offer?

This list, offered up as “evidence” of masculine advantage in a patriarchal society serves, ironically to illustrate the total intellectual and ethical bankruptcy at the heart of feminist ideology. In fact, a casual perusal of the list, absent of the rebuttals included here shows something else as well. These 47 feeble lies, collected together indicate the intent of so-called arguments pretending to establish the veracity of any claim of male privilege. These forty seven pathetic falsehoods, collected into one document are not meant to provide evidence, rather, they are meant to overwhelm anyone demanding evidence. Forty seven pathetic lies are intended to exhaust any proponent of male human rights with so much bullshit that it cannot be reasonably addressed within a debate. The weakness of each individual lie in this list is irrelevant. That there are forty seven separate claims – weak as each one is, the length of the list is intended to exhaust and to silence any individual arguing for the human rights of men. That intention, shown by the weakness of the arguments, and the length of the list is most revealing of all.

Forty seven separate lies are not intended to convince, they are intended to overwhelm, to exhaust and to silence debate. This document, saved as a PDF is all the answer such dishonest and ill-intentioned tactic deserves.

  • http://www.yohami.com/blog/ YOHAMI

    Good post.

    But who writes this? the checklist is a carefully constructed, never ending, intentional, mind-games stream of bullshit. This is why “Fuck You” comes handy.

    • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

      How about STFU, get to work and enjoy your privilege at the daily grind.

      • 4thtroika

        Not to mention enjoy the privilege of feeling your soul die a slow, agonizing death.

    • Phil in Utah

      This is a version found on Alas! A blog, which is more or less the parent blog of Manboobz. Alas! has dedicated themselves to refuting MRA ideas, and unsurprisingly, the only way they’ve been able to do so is by making up quotes, taking things out of contest, or just flat-out contradiction.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

    The most common used example of privilege is the fact that most positions of power are held by men, with the further implication of sexism for women, including the lack of 9-5 CEO positions with daycare and flextime. It’s just so sexist that the system isn’t set up to accommodate women’s needs. There doesn’t seem to shortage of unemployed men so it shouldn’t be hard for them to find a house husband, but not many women want one, they want to do it all.

    “This tactic betrays the laziness….”

    So, is it okay to link to this article because I’m lazy and I appreciate your eloquence?

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com John the Other

      Forty seven separate lies are not intended to convince, they are intended to overwhelm, to exhaust and to silence debate. This document is all the answer such dishonest and ill-intentioned tactic deserves.

      • ThoughtCriminal

        Good job,but on number 41 you missed an opportunity.

        “Assuming a man is heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to him sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.”

        Women do not respond well to images of naked men. It spooks or disgusts them rather than prompting them to buy things, but if an advertiser portrays a handsome successful man (the equivalent of the bimbo with the big jugs who’s begging for a dose of the ol giggle stick) giving the product to his committed girlfriend as a gift,well, it loosens the old purse strings like a magic “Open Sesame”. The reason why men aren’t “sexually objectified” in exactly the same manner women are is because women aren’t exactly heterosexual the way that men are.

        None of us could hold a sexual attraction to women as well as a fear and repulsion toward their naked bodies when they are randomly displayed to us.

        If it weren’t for the fact that men and women are different, you’d see the same ads with Jack and Jill used interchangeably,depending on the targeted demographic.

        INSTEAD, we are treated to images of the handsome successful businessman who can’t wait to get home and grovel for his wife’s attention (Yeah right!If he’s rich enough for you, he’s rich enough for the hot young secretary too.). This is the exact equivalent of the big-breasted airhead porno fantasy who can’t wait to get it on with the garbage man.

        It’s every bit as offensive to the male sensibilities as the naked porno sluts are to women. The only difference is that a man realizes the man on screen is simply an actor who is portraying a fantasy whereas a woman believes the person on screen is a representative of women everywhere,including herself.

        If it wasn’t sad,I would think it’s cute. It’s like when my dog sees another dog on tv and you point and go “Who’s that,boy?” and he starts barking at the other dog and trying to chase it,sniffing at the screen and whining and such.

        I digress,but my point is that it’s pretty retarded to try to put that down to “male privilege” when it’s really a simple matter of market strategies.

        As a man,I don’t see many ads that target me for “feminine cleanser”,either.Maybe that’s because people figure I’m not going to be cleaning my vagina any time soon. Sexist pig bastards.

        • The Watcher

          Exactly. Clothing is the significator of social and economic status. That status matters at least as much, and in most cases more, than physical beauty when it comes to male attractiveness to women. The majority of erotica and advertising featuring naked, or nearly so, men is either targeted towards, or appreciated by the gay male community.

          I think we are all aware of the rampant sex negativity at the core of hardcore feminist thought. It is no wonder that anything smacking of male sexuality would be made into something either shameful or evil, whether it benefits men or not. As if the whole advertising business were of benefit to men!

    • pcarvious

      Very few men ever reach that top point and using the very top as the metric to measure the existence of privilege is a relatively empty methodology. It’s statistically biased on so many levels it’s not funny. It also fails to ask the question; why. Why are men consistently at the top? What happened in their careers that made it different from their female counterparts?

      It’s not a privilege to be at the top of the ladder. It’s not the old boys club. It’s years put in and long nights working over projects that are stress bombs ready to go off.

  • Bev

    This resonates with Dr Amanda Eddie, co-author of
    Teaching Boys: Developing Classroom Practices that
    Work (2008). She is reticent about gender segregation
    ”as it doesn’t reflect broader society”, and expresses
    some concern with ways in which the debate has constructed boys as new ”victims” in schools.

    While acknowledging there are academic concerns with some boys in terms of achievement, engagement and subject selection, she contends that treating boys as ”victims” and as a deficit (for example, by suggesting they can sit still for only short periods of time), and blaming teachers, schools and parents for a boy’s problem, is misguided. She contends that the complex factors that produce and celebrate ”particular
    forms of harmful masculinity need to be acknowledged and challenged”.

    In Possibilities in the Boy Turn? Comparative Lessons from Australia and Iceland, published in the Scandinavian Journal of Education Research (2009), Lingard says there is a need to challenge suggestions that some boys are unable to successfully
    engage with schooling because of its feminization.

    And using the ”boy turn” to rethink masculinities would be more likely to produce global citizens who could work towards a more equal gender order, locally, nationally and globally. ”The production of such global citizens is unlikely to occur when those who are the most privileged in a society are deemed to be victims, as with the way in which the boys’ debate has developed.”

    Yup boys are “priveleged” so it’s their fault they are falling behind we shouldn’t blame anyone else.

    This woman Dr Amanda Eddie is one of the drivers of the White Ribbons Foundation’s push to teach “respectful relations” in school a propoganda, brainwashing/reprogramming exercise aimed at boys to:

    “rethink masculinities would be more likely to produce global citizens who could work towards a more equal gender order, locally, nationally and globally”

    Oh and it is thought that time to teach this should be usurped from English classes the area where boys are faring badly.

    • Ethical

      In a conversation with a couple of female elementary school teachers the other day I asked whether any educational initiatives were in the works to address the issues with boy’s education. They said they weren’t aware of any problems so I rattled off a few statistics including the fact that only 39% of university graduates in their geography are now men and that boys are lagging all through elementary school. They laughed and answered “it’s about time”.

      It took me a few minutes to digest that they weren’t just being callous. The sentiment “check your privilege” JtO mentioned is alive and well as in their eyes girls are still being disadvantaged. A 47 point reply is too long for me to remember, but it’d be pretty handy to have one that would help these women understand that if they’re the mothers of boys (both were) addressing the failure of schools to meet boy’s needs is critically important to them too.

      Thanks for the article JtO.

      • FarmCat

        “They laughed and answered “it’s about time”-

        Utterly disgusting. Those “teachers” are completely unaware that, in fact, makes themselves “sexist pigs”.

        Sadly, there are A LOT of them.

        I’ve come to a conclusion that feminism’s main purpose is to emulate solely the worst (real or perceived) behaviors of men.

        He’s a CEO, I want to destroy s**t too!

        He’s a “player”, I insist on being a lying slag too!
        (nevermind the fact they have no concept about the facts about this anyway)

        He’s a politician, (use you’re imagination here).

        Feminists have constructed “patriarchy” in their own heads, throw it on everyone around them, and follow it to a t by making it all about power and control. i.e. female SUPREMACISM.

      • Bombay

        Write a complaint to the principal stating that those teachers are creating a hostile school environment. It is about time boys are not doing well in school? There should be no educator on the planet that thinks it is about time any child did not do well in school.

        • FarmCat

          When I was in jr high a meeting was called to discuss why I thought the school was causing problems.

          The lady asked my parents about it and my parents said, “I think he may be right”. The school then responded there was “nothing to discuss then.”…meeting over. That was it, and afterword they continued to hurl their puerile aggressiveness (including falsifying grades/ documents) at me with no accountability whatsoever.

          I fell into a deep depression and turned to drugs/ alcohol. I am just ONE casualty of teachers screwing with children in this disgusting way.

          Schools are INTENTIONALLY ruining a great number of lives.

          The best revenge is living well though I suppose.

          I just wish people would stop tripping up males via academia’s stunningly rotten and pervasive sexism.

          It HAS to stop.

          Thank god for the MRM.
          It’s literally our only hope for many many things.

    • Poester99

      This woman Dr Amanda Eddie is one of the drivers of the White Ribbons Foundation’s push to teach “respectful relations” in school a propoganda, brainwashing/reprogramming exercise aimed at boys to:

      “rethink masculinities would be more likely to produce global citizens who could work towards a more equal gender order, locally, nationally and globally”

      I think instead of spreading general misery among both men and women in the name of ideological purity, their energies would be better spent making making the most people content and with logical and practical educations. I know… this a tall order with most of teaching profession being successfully radicalized.

  • Stu

    This list is a typical example of how feminists think, or don’t think. This list, or similar bullshit, is imprinted on every feminists brain, and that’s pretty much all they have. And it’s not point debating with them. I don’t bother with them. The only time I will bother refuting them is if there is an audience that can benefit from it. You aren’t going to change their minds about anything. They regurgitate the same old rubbish statistics and lies even after they have been proven 100% total fabrications, even when they have been caught cooking the stats themselves, they will still rattle them off later as facts.

    The thing is, they know their stats are full of shit, they sat around and invented them…..always remember that, you are arguing with someone that knows what they peddle is a load of horseshit. They don’t care.

    A while back I had a little confrontation with a feminist, and she went on like this. I turned my back and put my index fingers in my ears….and walked away while saying “I can’t hear you” Her voice got louder as a departed. And that’s what I think of their dribble, not even worth listening too, never mind responding too.

    I don’t care what they think of me, or my opinions, they aren’t my audience. Men who are fed up are my audience. Young men, old men, any man who wants to ditch the blue pills.

  • Phil in Utah

    I wrote a similar refutation of this checklist on an old blog of mine. As can easily be expected, JtO has far outdone my shoddy, emotion-laden work.

    I don’t bother much with feminists who invoke male privilege. I find it quite sufficient, when they say “check your privilege”, to simply respond by saying “Check yours!”

    Plenty of these dingbats have said something along the lines of “I don’t like referring to myself as ‘white’.” Of course they don’t. To admit that they are white would be buying into their own rhetoric of “white privilege”, and expose them as the hypocrites they are.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    Forty seven eh ?

    That’s five more than the answer to life the universe and all the rest of it.

    If these get memorised and then spouted back with bored lazy eyes at mean beady feminist gimlet ones then so bloody well be it.

    It’s good, it’s very good. I like it John of the other variety.

    …and ta for that matter.

    P.S.
    If you’re the other john then who is the other other John ?

    • DruidV

      R.I.P. Doug Adams…

  • scatmaster

    This tactic betrays the laziness, ignorance, and intellectual void from which feminist rhetoric springs. Rather than formulating an answer of his or her own, anyone employing this demonstrates their argument as simple repetition of programmed doctrine, rather than an intelligent response.

    So am I lazy, ignorant and void of any intellect if I simply link to the

    female/feminist privilege checklist

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      So true scat.

      Here’s a highlight for me:
      23. Can you get sympathy if you don’t work and don’t have children by listing all the household work (hmm … Oprah really does get high ratings, though) while simultaneously being able to bear the cognitive dissonance of calling your sister’s husband who stays home a worthless bum that she ought to leave?

      I honestly and truly don’t ever need to interact with a female again. They are, in general, as sick as number 23. Why would anyone, in their right fucking mind, want to have anything to do with such a vile, wretched creature? Moist orifi cannot be so rarefied in nature..

  • Lee

    Good calls, all of them. :)

    To add to 27 – Women are not obliged to put on make-up and jewellery. This is done to cover up a self-diagnosed ugliness and/or to enhance sex appeal. It is a choice women make, not an obligation. Blaming men for this is absurd.

    To add to 41 – Adds containing scantily clad women are often marketing to women. The implication is that if you buy the product they’re advertising, you’re going to be sexy like the woman in the advertisement. This is done because it WORKS, not because of the ‘male privilege’ to see pictures of sexy women in ads.

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be different about you today, Lee .. hmm …

      Females bitch about “having to wear makeup” and “having to wear” fucked up crippling uncomfortable clothes and shoes. That is to say, females bitch at men because females choose to dress up as clowns in order to exploit and extract the lifeforce from men; so they bitch at men while they are robbing him. Hmm, what’s worse than being robbed? Getting bitched at during the process about what hard work and sacrifice it is for the robber. Such are the times when death would seem almost salvation..

  • Kimski

    Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to call it ‘The Grand List of Wrongfully Perceived Male Privileges That Women Whine About, Based On ‘Feewings’ And Not Much Else of Substance’?

    Most of the so-called ‘privileges’ sounds more like they are based on an emotional response to shit that happens to everybody, from my point of view.

    As far as the length of the list goes, I usually refer to that sort of thing as a ‘Juggernaut-discussion’. You might not be right about what you are saying, but the amount of shit you come up with will silence people anyway. In the majority of cases where you resort to that kind of strategy, it’s because you’re perfectly aware of the fact that you are mostly wrong.
    -And JtO just proved that point brilliantly in this case.

  • keyster

    By debunking or refuting any victim class narrative, you’re victimizing them again. That’s how it’s been set up.

    The poor are victims of the rich.
    Minorities are victims of whites.
    Women are victims of men and men are oppressors, …they just don’t know it. It’s a mysteriously sub-conscious and subtle affect.

    • DruidV

      Who would down vote this and why?

  • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

    Great post John. I exposed this checklist a couple years ago on my site. But its always good to see another perspective. My article remains one of the most popular I’ve ever written and is currently #6 on my all time list for page views.

    http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=1444

    TDOM

    • Elder Swami

      Just had a look at that, It was really something! nice work

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

        Yes,

        TDOM is an extraordinary writer. He is well in the tiny group of the best of the best no doubt about this.

  • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

    I posted an article on #32 not long ago. The generic use of the masculine pronoun to refer to both sexes was actually started by a woman who might have been considered a feminist in her day had the term been in use. If you want to know how it began, follow the link:

    http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=6411

    My own opinion is that use of the masculine as a generic “demonstrates the disposability and lack of value placed upon males and masculinity in our culture” and helps to pedestalize the feminine by setting the female apart.

    • josephrobertson

      I know this is an old article, but I was reading and just had a thought to add in response to your comment, TDOM:

      I’ve noticed that a lot of feminist writers have pushed for (and been somewhat successful at) making feminine pronouns generic–as opposed to the truly-generic-but-confusing-and-unwieldy “they”–so I’ve seen lots of writing in which the nonspecific person is always referenced as “she”.

      Now looking at the fact that both men and women are wired to care about and protect women more than men, does it not appear that using “she” and “her” as generic is actually an emotional, sub-conscious trick the author may employ to automatically gain the reader’s sympathy, before an argument is even made?

      In this sense, it’s possible that the old tradition of masculine pronouns being generic was–among other things–actually an effective way of ensuring a lack of prejudice in scholarly work.

  • Atlas Reloaded

    “If a man is not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.”

    OH GO FUCK YOURSELF!!

    Now, someone give me a typical rebuttal they would say.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      Atlas,

      Sure. I think the rebuttal would go like this:

      Fem-Git.
      “If a man is not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.”

      Atlas.
      “OH GO FUCK YOURSELF!!”

      Fem-Git.
      “No way ! You,, you go and fuck at yourself and… just go and piss… and the patriarchy states that males and… RAPE ! RAAAPE !

  • Bombay

    Nice article!

    #48 There is show called Family Guy but no show called Family Gal. And Megan is not only picked on the most in Family Guy, but people laugh at it.

  • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

    Vile, disgusting list of subterfuge, bitching, noise-making, smokescreening, callous desecration of the suffering and sacrifice of human Men … concocted by contorted, wretched, vapid, soulless, vermin …

    Male Privilege

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      Perseus,

      So are you saying you don’t like feminism ?

      I mean, I read your post here and I was thinking that you won’t be sitting around a BBQ swapping yarns with them any day, and for that matter you won’t ever mow their lawns or do their tax for that matter.

      Is this true ?

      As far as going on long silly walks on a beach with one, or even snuggling up on a fluffy white rug in front of a big fire drinking champagne and eating strawberries and cream…. you saying that this is also off the cards ?

      Hell man, can you please be a little more clear with your meaning ?

  • Stu
    • Stu

      Paul, you should get onto this young man and tell him about the great career opportunities as an MRA exist at this site. Fame, fortune, and millions of female fans await. He probably doesn’t know about it. :)

  • Not buying it

    The deeper any honest & objective person regardless of gender looks at the feminist doctrine & propaganda & it’s propensity to make outlandish claims that have no basis in reality, fairness or even sound judgment, the easier it is for that person to see it for what it is, a harmful, defunct, accuracy lacking & hypocrisy based ideology that draws it’s power by intellectually bullying any discourse or discussion shedding light on how disingenuous & pathetic it is, if it wasn’t for the (MRM) these intellectually inept low life hypocrites pushing the feminist doctrine & ideology would get away with it.

    • Stu

      Been getting away with it all my life.

  • Elder Swami

    I think #19 tells us a lot about the mind of the feminist.

    “If a man’s day, week or year is going badly, he need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones”.

    When they have a bad day, (don’t get promoted or get rejected etc) they reflect on it, and when in denial of their own shortcoming they look for excuses. It is very easy for them in preserving their own self esteem to retrospectively label their failures as being due to sexism. Feminism in my opinion is simply fueled by a inferiority complex.

    • Steve_85

      Penis envy?

      I have noticed there is always a steady stream of excuses coming from the female students in my classes. There is always an excuse for why they didn’t pass the assessment, or why it had to be handed in late, or why they should be given special consideration.

      I wonder if any of the 3 grrrls I’m helping with chemistry realise that I’m using them for extra revision? Or that they’re going to be screwed in the exam because I wont be there to do it for them?

      Is it bad that I don’t even care?

      • Kimski

        And yet they seem so completely unable to connect the dots, when we smile at their claims of being the superior gender.

        Don’t they think that we see this kind of shit going on all the time, and all through their lives, with almost every single one of them???

      • Steve_85

        The worst part is that those excuses fucking work.

        On three occasions that I know of (how many that I don’t?) there have been special considerations made for female students that would not be made for male ones.

        – Female friend withdrew from a course a week and a half after the cut-off with no penalties. If I tried to do that I would have a FAIL recorded on my record and I would still have to pay for that course.
        – Female acquaintance given 3 days extension due to ‘stress’ caused by the death of a pet. If I tried this I would be laughed at. This shit didn’t fly for me in high school, never mind university.
        – Two female acquaintances (that I know of) were placed into this course in spite of not having the grades to get into it. The cut off was 83.0 and they were both in the high 70s.

        I guess you could say that the excuses fly because they work. Throw enough excuses at the wall and see what sticks, then remember them for next time.

        • Kimski

          Steve, -between you and me, and the rest of the world..-If I were helping three girls with their chemistry like you are, I would do everything in my power to fuck their endresult royally up. If there’s any bitching and whining coming out of that corner after getting ‘FAILED’ in return, I would sincerely suggest that they do their own goddamned work, instead of relying on someone who has all the odds against him to do it for them.

          You keep the good and brilliant stuff to yourself, and help them to a mediocre result, at least.

          You are fighting in a competition for jobs against an opponent that receives all the advantages from day one, and there’s really no excuse for this kind of gender-exploitation, if they are so ‘smart’ and ‘superior’ to men. Noone that I know of would blame you for doing the best you can for yourself. Even if that means going to the teacher or head of the school and explaining what is going on. This kind of female exploitation-shit needs to stop, especially in light of the claims of them being the ‘superior gender’. In my world a ‘superior gender’ doesn’t need help or excuses ad.lib. But then again, I’m also not a woman, so I don’t know how that works on the other side of the fence.

          -But I’m also not exactly known for being ‘a nice guy’, when I comes to competing for the best education or work. I want to win, and you dont win silver, -you loose gold.
          Literally.

          • Steve_85

            I’m not helping them kimski, I’m helping ME. I learn better by doing than by reading. By “helping” them, I’m getting to DO things 4 times instead of once. All the marks are in the exam, the lab reports are only worth about 2% each. So I may be getting them a few extra percent, but I’m learning this stuff much better, and I honestly don’t care that they will suffer in the exam.

            It’s all about me, and me is getting a pile of extra practical study to cement his learning. If that means they do poorly in the exam, oh well. They were using me for a few extra marks, and I’m using them to quadruple my learning opportunity. I won’t be there to help them in the exam, and that’s where the marks are

          • Kimski

            @Steve:

            Excellent!
            /Evil laughter and rubbing of hands.
            ;)

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    “I have a gun in my vagina, you fucking idiot!”

    OT, and please read for possible entitlement gone awry according to wftv.com:
    ———————–

    A woman called 911 Tuesday night from outside of a nightclub in an attempt to locate her keys. Kelly Patterson was told to leave Pulse nightclub and given a trespass warning by an employee.

    Patterson, officers say, began to shout obscene comments and make gestures towards the employees. She was told a second time to leave the parking lot, but police said she replied by saying. “Fuck you, I need to get my keys from my friend.”

    Perhaps this wasn’t the best approach. Nevertheless, the police still tried to assist her.

    An officer on scene told Patterson he would help her get her keys, but her friends told the officer they did not have her keys. Investigators said she was given four chances to leave property and was told she would be arrested.

    It was then that she called 911, shopping for a more sympathetic cop. Not a good idea.

    Patterson refused [to leave the property] and called 911, telling the operator that the officer would not give Patterson her keys and to please send out someone to help her. Patterson was arrested and, when asked if she had any weapons or drugs on her person, police said she replied,

    “I have a gun in my vagina you fucking idiot.”

    • DruidV

      Out of the mouths of “babes”…

  • Not buying it

    All my life too bud, it’s due for a change though bud & anybody who think this will continue is either delusional or worse yet refusing to face reality because it doesn’t fit into their political correct Utopian dream.

  • Not buying it

    More like she had yeast, infection in her vagina. :):)

    • Steve_85

      Not All Yeast Infections Are Like That!

  • DruidV

    This checklist is certainly a cumulative work in progress and it is assuredly infinite in both scope and size. It’s doubtful that such a whimsical complaint list could ever be completed to female satisfaction, since emotional convolution of percieved sleights, paranoid hysteria and outright Misdandry, are stock and trade to feminist lies. These feminist lies are what their entire hate movement is based upon and much like shadow puppetry, the posibilities are indeed endless and effortless.

    Debunking this nonsense seems obvious and redundant to me, but I understand that mentally ill feminists must be spoon fed even the most basic tennets of common sense.

    The stupidity of feminists would be really funny, if it weren’t so fucking destructive and deadly to everyone, including the feminasties themselves.

    feminist is as feminist does…

    FTSU
    &
    GMOW

  • Kai

    More male privilege coming your way. Who wants to bet how much they will reduce her punishment? I say 3 months of probation and she gets to keep her license.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/28/dentist-pulls-all-exs-teeth-out_n_1461288.html

    • tallwheel

      …and the feminists applaud along with Sharon Osborne. “You go grrrrl! He must have deserved it. In fact, she should have pulled his junk off too while she was at it…”

    • Lee

      Hmm..well at least her name is listed and her business may take such a nose dive that she quits. Knowing this story , there would be nothing anyone could say to me to convince me to let her poke around at my teeth.

  • Dennis

    Whoever wrote this list in the first place has WAY too much time on their hands. Forty Seven vicious lies about men having privilege though, is a lot of hatred. And they say women are more empathetic than men? I don’t think so. Not for a second.

    • Kimski

      ROFLMFAO.
      -Ahhh..hehehe..’-More empathic..’

      -AHH-HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA…

  • Groot

    Great article and I agree almost 100% with your challenging of this alleged “male privilege”, though I believe that black men are more disadvantaged in getting hired:

    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/09/study-black-man-and-white-felon-same-chances-for-hire/

  • Europa Phoenix

    47 lies don’t make a truth.

  • http://forsakeneagle.blogspot.com/ ForsakenEagle

    Very nice article, Mr. Other. I have taken the liberty and hyperlinked this to my blog. This is a shaming tactic I am definitely familiar with. I am privileged and women have been oppressed for billions of years. Therefore, it is okay to take away the rights of men and boys who had nothing to do with what happened in the past, a pseudo-historical past at that.

    AVfM, arming men with the truth.

  • Mateusz

    While all of these are baseless, and not backed by evidence, some are just bizarre, like being protected from the horror of told to smile. Though, there are plenty of flat out lies, such as “If a man is heterosexual, it’s incredibly unlikely that he’ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover.” It’s like saying Jews are privileged because they control all the gold, and are able to shoot lasers from their eyes. It’s not just wrong, but wrong on a truly idiotic level.

  • conservativation

    Witness the co-option of citizen activism within the occupy wall-street protests.

    Huh? OWS is citizen activism?
    Not.
    OWS is skid grease for feminism.
    The same vigor with which socon proclivities are decried, MUST manifest in rejecting collectivist leftism. Its too good a fit for feminism.

  • deimos

    “I have no evidence, so I’m going to try to shift the burden of evidence for my claim onto you, because you oppose my asinine argument.”

    This quote really says a lot about how feminists think. Just recently I tried to open a friendly dialog with a feminist on youtube about men and women being just friends. I maintained that in a majority of cases men are friends with women chiefly for sexual reasons. Even citing several studies and educated opinions of people concerning themselves with human Psychology. But apparently having several hundred applicants in the study was evidence of nothing. Unsatisfied by my responses she would insist, with ad-hominem attacks, that it was my responsibly to prove her otherwise. As if to think she was sitting on a definitive theory or neutral opinion about the matter.

    She was clearly trying to apply arguments in religion were you can fence sit on an unsure opinion. Thinking that she could apply the same method of thought while taking a definitive stance that men chiefly open friendships for purely platonic reasons. Supported only by her personal experience, bigotry and wishful fallacy. She really reminds me of the vile religious fundamentalists during Galileo’s time.

  • http://avoiceformen.com Greg Weigel

    I think some of those count, but they are really stupid.

  • http://avoiceformen.com Greg Weigel

    I’ve been thinking about a man being promoted because of his gender. To better phrase this, he could have earned it and not been denied promotion because of his gender, while the female might not have that privilege. But then again, how would you know the mindframe of the person who is doing the promoting? Is he going to think in his mind that this woman is showing real results, but I’m not going to promote her because she is a woman? I don’t know. Or could it be possible that he sees a male and a female and the males qualifications seem more apparent. Anyways, I can talk about the real disadvantages to being a male, which makes most of the list look idiotic, like the fact that we are killed more than women. The killing might be from other men mostly, but who is really advantaged in these cases. The fact that our side of domestic violence is demonized. The fact that we usually lose custody battles. The fact that males tend to get harsher sentences. The fact that it is mandatory for males to go to war when told to do so. If she wanted to make a list that really says anything, she would just say that women are most likely raped and not believed. And discrimination can happen, but it isn’t exactly proven. And women are probably more likely to be sexually harassed, even though you’ve put the consequence on a male saying that he’s harassed. But so far violence against men just blows everything else to bits.

  • http://avoiceformen.com Greg Weigel

    Okay, maybe I was a little to hasty to claim that men have it worse just because of the magnitude of violence that happens to them, which makes women who are rape victims of men look like a joke in comparison. And even though I do believe that the comparison is a joke, I do think that women tend to be accused of leading a male on to have sex with her with the attire that she wears. This is wrong, but in certain circumstances I’m not above victim blaming for both males and females who would be raped by someone else. I actually have a scenario for this, and I will use the male as the victim to get rid of the stigma that victim blaming is always wrong. Okay, a male is told that he shouldn’t go down a certain alleyway, but he doesn’t listen and goes down it anyway. What happens when he goes down midway is that he gets raped by another man. He then goes to his apartment where his friends are waiting for him and tells them what had happened. One of his friends tells him that he had been warned that he shouldn’t go down that alleyway. The other friend says, “Can you really blame him?” In all seriousness, can you take the second friend seriously. Anyways, even though violence against men greatly outnumbers rape against women, if enough women are discriminated against in which they don’t get a promotion and such, which there has been pretty solid evidence that says that they have been, like for example Walmart discriminating against women and not promoting them as often as men by great numbers, then it could way outnumber the deaths of men. I know death is more serious than getting a promotion but numbers make a difference. There can be a counter to this that states that affirmative action puts women into jobs without necessarily being qualified for the job and the fact that there is this anti-discriminatory law against gender. I wouldn’t know how one makes up for the other, but these are possibly valid points to counter blatant discrimination against women.

  • srabon

    Is this a good pic to show Male Vs Female shopping ? —>
    http://4kuku.com/daily/Male-Vs-Female-shopping-z12149.aspx

  • http://batman-news.com MGTOW-man

    “due to men’s naturally wired behavior to protect females more than males.”
    —This is also socially conditioned and reinforced. Thus, it can be (at least partially) done away with. Change men, change the world.

    “As a child, chances are that boys are encouraged to be more active and outgoing than girls.This reflects our culture’s requirements of boys to act directly, take risks, and disregard their safety on behalf of others, and our tendency to protect and shelter girls. This is not a male privilege.”
    —Not to mention that it is in the genetic code for human males to be more rough, playful, vigorous, rowdy, loud, and “bad”. If people are stupid enough to think that our species exists completely independent of the rules, trends, patterns, and biology as does most other species in the biosphere when appropriate, they should never call themselves intelligent, for they are failing to read sooo much information that is readily available to them. This is them refusing to believe what they do not WANT to believe despite overhwelming evidence.

    You know, we should use science to help us in our movement. Not a single part of what science is discovering these days refutes the truths we know and have always known but just couldn’t put our fingers on how to describe it. We knew women then, and we know them now.

    Jon, great understanding and conveyance here. But this all could have been similarly said with: “Feminists, speaking on behalf of most all women (wink, wink)—but actually proving stereotypes about women correct insomuch as they make up their own “truth” they WANT to believe, based on how they feel, which is based on what they wish for and wish to be “true”, are oblivious. How is it that this most obvious similarity about women,( and as reflected in feminism), goes mostly unnoticed?
    Their sense of reality is so obviously skewed. Their perspectives treat men and men’s issues as if women are the only ones to exist…proof positive that their feelings should have no place in making law for all of us.

    How can we win if we do not strive to understand those we are fighting, how they fight, what they think is fair, how their minds work, what is driving them to behave the way they so-often do as a sex, what phenomena unties them as a group and so on? Are we letting ancient rules about “respect” (originating from women mostly), corral us into a limit in which our ability to be unapologetically truthful is undermined?

  • Rohan Zener

    Can somebody link here to the list of supposed male privileges?