It’s domestic violence awareness month, folks, and we are now in the latter half of another month long national circle jerk, the entire domestic violence industry masturbating to a frenzy of trumped up stats and sadistically titillating lies.
We have flying spittle in the halls of congress, the antecedents of hysterical demands that we take on the worldwide cause of defending helpless women across the globe from their sorry lot in life as victims. We have grown men donning themselves in drag couture and walking a mile in “her shoes,” a sort of trendy, new age and humiliating self flagellation by men who want to atone for all bearers of the evil penis.
And we have a resurrected article from August of ’07, from the women at Jezebel.com (tip of the hat to the illustrious Dr. Snark) demonstrating how unrepentantly violent they really are, and how much they seem to enjoy it.
Senior writer Tracie Egan Morrissey penned the article, which addresses research findings reported in Psychiatric News that, “In fact, when it comes to nonreciprocal violence between intimate partners, women are more often the perpetrators.”
Morrissey reacted to that oft ignored reality, after a query of her female readers for those who have beaten their boyfriends, with the following:
“…well, let’s just say it would be wise never to fuck with us.”
And of course the comment section that follows the article backs up her pro abuse attitude toward men. It is replete with women regaling us with stories of how they kicked, hit, smashed and bloodied their boyfriends for doing the sometimes annoying things that men do. One women reported that she punched her ex in the face for having the audacity to get another girlfriend after they broke up.
That’s it. In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.
I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women - to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.
And then make them clean up the mess.
You know, we used to have a name for people who only hit those that they knew wouldn’t fight back.
Bullies.
And we all know that bullies are cowards. Put a hurting on one and they go find someone else to pick on every time. It’s what cowards do.
Now, am I serious about this?
No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong. Every one should have the right to defend themselves. Hell, women are often excused from killing someone whom they allege has abused them. They can shoot them in their sleep and walk. Happens all the time. It’ll even get you a spot on Oprah, and cuntists across the cunt-o-sphere will be lionizing you.
In that light, every one of those women at Jezebel and millions of others across the western world are as deserving of a righteous ass kicking as any human being can be. But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.
The better option is to kick her to the curb, figuratively speaking, and hopefully move on to some better choices. Besides, violence in self defense should be in some way commensurate with the violence of the attack.
I will say this, though. To all the men out there that decided to say “Damn the consequences,” and fight back, you are hero’s to the cause of equality; true feminists. And you are the honorary Kings of Bash a Violent Bitch Month. You are living proof of just how hollow “don’t fuck with us,” rings from the mouths of bullies and hypocrites.
In he spirit of feminists everywhere, you GO, boy!
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Roderick Roderick:
iimnotmrabut:
Theseus:
Allan:
wow.:
Suzanne McCarley:
Hi Paul,
I love this article, it’s refreshing, passionate, accurate, short and to the point.
However, you probably already know that this will be “preserved” in order to be taken out of context against you later.
Sure it will. Along with most everything else I have written. But one thing for sure, as long as they are preserving my work for later use, it proves they anticipate they will need to.
Uhm, I usually do not comment here – but:
Thumbs up: 16,636
Thumbs down: 133
I think that 16636 is the number of times the article has been viewed…
and 133 is the number of comments posted (some got deleted)?
I did not see anywhere to thumb up or thumb down the article there…
Unless you are referring to REDDIT?
coincidence that REDDIT has the same numbers as jezebel did?
P.S. the comments were appalling, and do back up the violence women are capable of – but I think that view/comment count is being confused with thumb up/thumb down count…
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll check closer.
@ Richard
You are quite correct. I was in error on the article rating and have removed that portion from the piece. My apologies to you and other readers for the mistake, and again, thank you for pointing it out.
The anger felt by men, and as shown in this article, has become palpable and grows every day.
I now spend more time on boards discussing the economy than on boards discussing men’s issues (as a direct result, I’ve made fine investment decisions starting even before our current economic collapse began), and the resentment and frequent anger against misandry has become far clearer over the last year. For an example, take a look at the comments here: http://www.businessinsider.com/lets-be-real-about-the-lack-of-women-in-tech-2010-10. There are some of the usual incoherent rants, but take a look especially at the comments by Longterm Consequences and Libertarian.
Now a bit OT, but I should add that Business Insider is a bit like a supermarket tabloid. Nevertheless, I get a kick out of it and it has some good info. For a better blog on the economy, see zerohedge.com. And, no, I have no personal interest in either site; I just want to pass on the info.
@ AI
Thanks for posting that link, and I hope everyone reads it. The misandry bubble is stretching to it’s limits. While I was doing research on the piece on Hamilton College and their “She Fears You” indoctrination into rape culture, I ran across articles on female perpetrators at world net daily that could have been written by any one of a number of MRA’s.
The fact is that the men’s movement is going mainstream, only they are just not calling it MRM at this point.
And it damned well better. As I tried to point to in “How to Make a Male Bomb,” the only prevention we have for some really terrible shit happening down the road is for the MRM to gain real momentum.
These idiots have no idea what is on the horizon if it fails.
“I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them.”
Paul, I think I might actually love you.
I already do.
Do you know what the law would do to a man who did this? Bad advice dude.
Not to mention society even in jail you’d get your ass killed by beta males who want to impress babes even in jail
We need to find some legal means of punishing violent women not a personal one that won’t change social norms or deter them since we’ll be destroyed by the law
This is bad propaganda for us like the “always aquit on rape” thing
I recently got slapped for suggesting there was a sentencing bias on death row by a woman, i just took it – if i hit back i’d be the one going to jail. It’s hard not to be a mangina for self presdervation purposes
That’s the whole point of the article. Women ARE publically encouraged to do just that and much more to men, and rewarded for it (esp if they abuse innocent men)!
Funny how different things can look when the shoe’s on the other foot.
“This is bad propaganda for us” …
We’re not trying to impress The Chicks here.
We’re trying to work out male-friendly solutions.
Un,
Did you read the whole piece? I concluded it was a bad path for the same reasons you did. That being said, I don’t give a rat’s ass about “bad propaganda,” whatever the hell that means.
As Snark says, we are not trying to placate anyone, women, white knights, the mainstream media, or anyone else. My intent with almost everything I do is to fuck with peoples heads. Make them think, even if it is to conclude that I am something I am not. If they are outraged, fine. All the better actually. It will keep them talking. And in a time where these problems are being ignored, it is a hell of a lot better than just turning the other cheek.
You were just assaulted by a woman during national domestic violence awareness month, and you felt like you could do nothing but take it.
HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT?
RE: Let’s be real about the lack of women in tech
So there are no women in tech because there’s no female role models? That didn’t stop Hedy Lamarr, although she was hardly a tech luminary.
Women don’t succeed in tech because unless they’re of a very small number of genetic happenstances they are not suited to it.
As to women being violent, if a woman ever hits you for any reason, turn your back on her, walk away and never speak to her again. Change your phone number if you have to. If she raises your voice to you, never speak to her again. Never live with a woman, never accept a landlady, never accept a woman as a boss unless you have no other choice.
If you are trapped, let’s say the woman is your mother or you are married and worried about the safety of your children and there are no shelters that accept men, write down every abusive event in exhaustive detail, make multiple copies, and keep them where she cannot find them. Even if you never press charges you will need this record, and so will other men.
One thing the statistics on that article show:
It claims that there have been 133 comments.
I count only 25.
This tells me that 108 comments were deleted…
Notice in the comments – all the @’s that appear…
most of the ‘s being responded to – do not exist.
This means that the comments being responded to were deleted.
25 of 133 comments were NOT deleted.
Talk about some HARD-CORE censorship.
I would wager a guess that they are being bombarded by all kinds of people who hate feminism.
And the detractors get on me for banishing morons to the FAM page.
Does anyone remember a while back, some gal was convicted of a violent crime against a man, possibly murder, but she got only probation etc. because the jails were “too full”?
If we do as directed, and finally defend ouselves, the jails will be too full for all of the defenders (not offenders).
So my question is this:
A) Will they let some men walk, as they did women?
B) Will they let women out of jail to make room for the men?
C) Will they make men bulid more prisons?
Maybe I just see too much absurdity in the whole existence of men.
Mickey, it will be option B.
Google the Corston Report. Baronness Corston in the United Kingdom thinks women shouldn’t be sent to prison at all when they commit even the most heinous crimes. Their prisons, she says, should be converted into prisons for men so that more men can be locked up.
This all made it into an official government policy statement, by the way.
Do you suppose there is any connection between selecting Oct., the very month witches are flying high, as domestic violence awareness month?
Could it be a symbolic upward flight to escape the brutal hands of men?
“I recently got slapped for suggesting there was a sentencing bias on death row by a woman, i just took it – if i hit back i’d be the one going to jail. It’s hard not to be a mangina for self preservation purposes ”
You should have pressed charges for assault. No, you can’t hit back but you can use the law against those women who choose to accept anti-DV legislation as a license to beat men at their whim. And if the cops “dismiss” you, then you go to the city DA and press charges against the police who did so, and continue.
If a woman ever laid hands on me for “disagreeing” with her over some shit like that, I’d be at a police station faster than Jesse Owens. The key is to force awareness against these laws and do whatever it takes to make the system acknowledge the wrongness of this situation.
My Dad probably said it best: “If she throws the first punch, you’re well within your rights to throw the last.”
@ Demosthenes
I do not know how it suddenly became acceptable for women to beat men when they say something she does not like.
I know how: chivarly
I was married, we’d been together 2 years when we got into an arguement, I said something insulting so he slapped me………so I smashed him in the face with a heavy torch, I smashed and smashed until I broke the cunts nose, split it – he looked REALLY pathetic as he tried desperately to stop blood with his hands, I felt a twinge of guilt when I noticed his blood all over the torch, but he shouldnt of slapped me. He sobbing, through shock more than pain I think, but to be fair my cheek still stung from where he slapped me, so I was still really fucked off and I WOULD NOT have raised my torch to him if he hadn’t of struck me first, then he tried to put his bloody shirt in the wash basket – as if I would want to touch it!
Good results, he never hit me again, shame about the fugly bump in his nose though.
Hahaha. We hardly need Jezebel when we have violent females right here at AVfM. Violent, sadistic scum who think that breaking someone’s nose is a proportional response to a single slap. Typical feminist rationalisation.
Must be the one coming down through here with all the no votes.
Predictable, but not worth a bucket of warm piss, Snark.
Hmmmmmmmmm but in the article Elam encourages such behaviour and considers them heroic! Or is that only for those with a worm between their legs?
So you attacked a child then threatened to kill his mother?……….right, are you SURE that’s a story you wanna be sharing with people?
Well, I suppose a woman who neglects to discipline her out of control child, might consider a strong and firm tone to stop him from damaging other people’s property, as an “attack”.
Was raising her arm as if to strike me a physical threat? Or should I have not considered it as such because she is a woman?
I responded with a verbal threat. The boy didn’t damage my mdse. and maybe the next time he tries to damage other people’s proprerty she might try to be a responsible parent. And maybe she’ll think twice before attemting to hit a man.
You are probably missing my point. You may actually think I would have done it. Women need to learn they are NOT to bully and be pounding on a man. Being a gentleman doesn’t seem to get through to them. Obviously, the same goes the other way.
Hey, you must be missing MY point if you think that I’ve ever smashed anybody in the face with a torch, I’ve never even BEEN married. I just thought I’d try a little something and actually put Paul Elams suggestion into a scenario and flip the genders, just to see and what do you know the very first reply calls me sadistic (would be, if I had done it), yet the response to the article above with the same undertone gets nothing but scores of men going belly up so that Elam can tummy tickle them.
Of course, I know what you mean. It’s adolescently obvious and ass backwards. There is no room for your kind of levity on this specific issue. It just shows the typical calloused attitude most women have regarding the terrible abuse men suffer at the hands of women.
This is only the PHYSICAL BEGINNING aspect of the damage women do to men.
You may have some interest in this whole tragedy, but you have a lot to learn if you plan to have any kind of intelligent exchange on the subject. Or, if you expect anyone here to take you seriously.
“try a little something” of your bullshit somewhere else. We have a life and death situation here.
@Mary
Did you catch the part:
“Besides, violence in self defense should be in some way commensurate with the violence of the attack?”
Not that I’m actually sure your response wasn’t appropriate. He started it after all and you made him stop, but I can’t help noticing how proud you seem of what you’ve accomplished when even you tacitly admit that your response was not proportional to the attack. Indeed you seem to be reveling in the moment where you violently bludgeoned an unarmed man. Self-defense is one thing. Righteous vengeance and gratuitous violence is something else.
One more thing. Snark took your sorry ass the way he did because women actually do that kind of thing and get away with it frequently.
You got a ways to go, before you understand Paul.
Do you think you are capable, for one nano second, putting yourself in a man’s place?
Sorry, you guys. Looks like we got two of them here.
Having submitted my last comment I can see you have admitted that your earlier allegations were false. Funny, I seem to have read somewhere that women never make false allegations for attention or to prove a point….
@ Carlos
That would be equality, which is incomprehensible to those who will only tolerate selective equality.
Your passion Paul, is like food for the starving.
People are sometimes shocked at the things I’ve said.
I don’t give a f**k about woman because of feminism.
Most men don’t know anything, “please let it change!”
Bless you. – Rod
Hey Mary,
You left out something kind of important that I said in the article when trying to play your little game of gotcha. Here, cupcake, let me put it here in this comment so you don’t get lost finding it.
Feel free to come back and ask for clarification if you don’t know what that means.
Paul, I dearly loved the “cupcake” comment. I’ve used it a few times myself, in exactly the same fashion. In every example, I was either confronted by a white knight or the “woman’s” boyfriend.
Because GOD KNOWS women have all the answers, and can defend themselves with words!
Right?
Mary,
So now he (being a battered spouse) can take a shotgun, and shoot you in the back while you are sleeping, and claim (retroactive), “self-defence”.
If the sexes were treated equally he would be out of “psychiatric care” in 1 year, and have custody of the kids back (if there were any) within 2.
Roderick,
Thanks for the kind words!
“Hey, you must be missing MY point if you think that I’ve ever smashed anybody in the face with a torch, I’ve never even BEEN married. I just thought I’d try a little something and actually put Paul Elams suggestion into a scenario and flip the genders, just to see and what do you know the very first reply calls me sadistic (would be, if I had done it), yet the response to the article above with the same undertone gets nothing but scores of men going belly up so that Elam can tummy tickle them.”
Wow, that would be revolutionary….if women weren’t threatening men with violence and reveling in their sexual mutilation EVERY SINGLE NIGHT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.
You can’t “flip the script”. Paul’s article IS a flipping of the script. Literally, the SCRIPT, of about every episode of every television series in existence right now.
The only thing you DON’T see are men clapping rapists on the back and celebrating their “courage”, but keep acting the way you are, and soon enough, they will be. Hell, they’ll be calling for SUPPORT of Al Qeada’s treatment of women rather than using women’s poor treatment as a carrot to extract even more war funds from men.
Before I actually heard women talking about men in the fashion you do, and understood they meant ALL men, not just criminals or scumbags, I had a problem with biblical injunctions and cultural prescriptions that are unfair to women. I don’t anymore. If the majority of women consider me a lower lifeform then I withdraw my support of this society, built by my forefathers. We’ll see how “independent” women are when there’s no more clean water to drink, electricity, or basic medical services. And when they whine about their fallen state, I will just tell them to “man up”.
Remember men, there’s nothing you can do to a woman that Father Time and she herself won’t do to her in good time. Simply wait until it happens,point and laugh, and then walk away. She doesn’t need you,and no pussy is worth a prison sentence.
No matter how despicable the Feminist’s behavior, it does not justify the things done by militant Islamists to their own people (men and women both).
Evil is not justifiable, even if as a response to anothers evil.
I will never applaud another for raping anyone. In fact, I choose not to associate with such people. I don’t refer to those being accused, as we are all innocent until proven otherwise, either.
In other words, don’t lower yourself to their level. They’ll beat you with experience.
…btw Paul, I took your article to be rather satirical immediately though I wasn’t sure where you’d go with it. Had a lol moment with the caption under the first picture, “You mess with the bull, you get the horn.”
I have my moments where I feel bad to make light of this subject, because I do know of stories of TRUE domestic VIOLENCE and they’re horrible. This is, of course, not surprising since there has to be a grain of truth at the center of the domestic violence industry or it would have been impossible to go so far towards creating a police state and a presumption of male guilt.
That said, I’d like to be perfectly clear, we are not the ones that are making light of domestic violence. The feminists did that by completely twisting and perverting the concept through perpetually redefining “violence” to the point that violence is meaningless. Domestic violence can now days be emotional, psychological, verbal, financial, and intellectual (i’m probably still miss other forms of “violence.”) If domestic violence can mean anything, what does it really mean? Absolutely nothing. Which makes October “The month of much ado about nothing” to me. And that’s a shame, because somewhere out there, behind all the gerrymandering of the English language and the concept of violence there are real victims, men and women that are the suffering from actual violence and now, when they come forward, they must clarify that when they say they are victim of violence, they mean they are REALLY a victim of VIOLENCE.
Yeah BUT I AM FED UP TO THE NECK WITH BITCHES WHO THINK IT’S OKAY TO HARM MEN!!
Peter – we all are, but violence against non-violent women is most definitely NOT justified.
Let’s not become a mirror image of feminists.
Violence against violent women? HELL yeah. Self-defence is MORE THAN acceptable, and well, if some uppity woman thinks she’s got the right to slap around some men for her own entertainment and feelings of superiority, perhaps she would benefit from having her ass FLOORED.
Everyone else would, anyway.
RE: “Touch me and I’ll fucking kill you”
I realize that matter could have ended without incident, using different words. But, when someone, male or female, is raising their arm to strike, an instantaneous, defensive reaction occurs. With me, anyway.
In another incident, one of my men accidently side swiped a women’s car because she was parked out too far in a drive area of a parking lot. I was present and we all got out of our vehicles to inspect the damage. I agreed to pay for the damage, but that wasn’t enough for the woman. She threatened to “slap you all around” because “you don’t know how to drive”. I just calmly told her, “I wouldn’t recommend that”. It ended.
These are two entirely different incidents, which in my opinion, caused different reactions. The point is, although we don’t always have things go the way we want them, it was made clear BOTH women that they will NOT put their hands on the men.
In the store and boy incident, the boy did not hear it.
“And of course the comment section that follows the article backs up her pro abuse attitude toward men. It is replete with women regaling us with stories of how they kicked, hit, smashed and bloodied their boyfriends for doing the sometimes annoying things that men do. One women reported that she punched her ex in the face for having the audacity to get another girlfriend after they broke up.”
Can you please point me to these pro-abuse comments, because I seem to have missed them. Maybe they were deleted, but the ones under the article at the moment are all about women having hit their partners in *self-defence* or women who gave a slap in a bout of temper and feel very *guilty* about it.
The only comment that makes reference to a less justified attack is also the one that you specifically refer to in your article, i.e. the one where the woman punched the guy who showed up at her birthday with another girl….a week after they had broken up. OK, maybe that’s an over-reaction but the fact that you had to omit the specifics of the example and tried to portray it as just some bitch incapable of accepting that her ex had moved on, speaks volumes about your intentions in writing this piece.
First Mandy, it does not matter in the least if he showed up at her kitty cat’s funeral with a new woman. You are blaming the victim by saying she was in any way pushed. And if her reaction is not evidence of someone not moving on, well, DUH. Plus, she said she would do it again, a clear sign of no remorse.
I didn’t mention any other particulars because there were none that were relevant to her assault. Isn’t that what women have been telling men for decades now? There is no excuse for violence, no matter what, right?
As to the rest, the comments are all on record there. You must not be reading them all (or reading them clearly). Either way, I linked to the source, so I don’t think it is my job to cull through everything for you.
Christ, even the bitch that wrote the article concluded the readers were dangerous and violent.
Cheers
You misunderstood. I didn’t blame the guy who showed up at his girlfriend’s birthday with a new woman. I was just pointing out your selective representation of the comments and wondered why you felt the need to omit that detail yourself.
My reading comprehension is fine, thanks. I went through all of the comments again and there is nothing there that I find objectionable. That’s not to say that there weren’t previously and got removed, but I am still waiting to see how *you* drew your conclusions..on the basis of what exactly?
I don’t expect to get an answer. It is pretty clearly to me that you have some kind of agenda and are not interested in being objective and impartial with this.
Cheers
“I went through all of the comments again and there is nothing there that I find objectionable.”
-Mandy
Well I guess that settles it then. Solipsism is your friend. If you can’t accept that we find it objectionable, why should we believe you’d take any notice of anything else we said?
mongo:
Why don’t you enlighten me and tell me what it is that you find objectionable about the comments in question instead of being so vague about it?
My main objection is that they think “feeling guilty” is enough when in the reverse case, they advocate legal action.
There’s also the hypocritical support for:
1) a woman who slaps a man who is cheating on her
2) a woman who slaps a man who got angry when he caught her cheating on him
Here’s a few of them:
“i’ve slapped a man and it felt good. better than the time i threw an ipod box to his face (the corner got his eye).”
“You’re empowered and not to be fucked with — you’ll even boast about it in the open!”
“Why can’t we just say some people deserve physical violence and leave it at that?”
“So i jumped into a cab with no money. Ran out at a red light. Used my set of keys to get into his appartment. Confronted him. Slapped his glasses off his face. Bite him repeated so hard that he imediately bruised. Got out a kitchen knife.”
“I once punched a guy… It was my ex-husband and it was right after he told me that he wished I would give his girlfriend a chance because ‘the three of us could be such good friends.’ That SOB had it coming.”
“Anyway, one day I had enough of his horses*** (I honestly can’t even remember what triggered it, but I’m sure it was good) and I started beating the living s*** out of him.”
“I tried to run one of my ex’s over with my car.”
“The reason he – and all of the other men in these stories got hit was for pushing me to the absolute edge.”
“*but i do see the difference between a ‘i hate you, you stupid bitch’ smack and a ‘god, stop yelling biggie smalls lyrics already when i’ve told you to stop for five minutes!’ smack. call it rationalizing, but i think the former is abuse and the latter is losing one’s temper in a normal, albeit very regrettable, way.”
“I bounced an alarm clock off my husband’s head from across the room once.”
“I’ve never beat up a boyfriend, but I once gave an ex a solid black eye. It was the greatest moment of my entire life.”
“When I was in high school I slapped my bf hard enough to give him a bloody nose. In front of his friends. He told me my band was ‘cute,’ so I obviously had no choice.”
Are these enough pro-abuse comments for you? If for one second I thought Paul would tolerate this stuff with other writers and commenters at “A Voice for Men,” I wouldn’t write or comment here. Why are people bothering with “Jezebel” at all?
“Why are people bothering with “Jezebel” at all?”
If I were a writer, I believe I’d word that a little differently for fear of offending so many of our brothers here. Especially while doing that, which Im recommending against.
B. R. Merrick:
Are the comments you quote really from the article in question, i.e. from http://jezebel.com/gossip/domestic-disturbances/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have-294383.php?
That’s pretty strange, because most of them don’t seem to be there….either you are making all of this up, or we are talking about completely different articles.
I have to wonder, if those comments were really there, why did Paul not quote them in his article rather than use a misrepresentation of the one and only pro-abuse comment that actually *is* there?
There seems to be a link at the bottom of that page “Show All Discussions”.
It seems to me that I am only seeing “Featured Discussions” which are a lot tamer and alot less pro-abuse.
“Why don’t you enlighten me and tell me what it is that you find objectionable about the comments in question instead of being so vague about it?”
-Mandy
Because you are clearly hostile.
Even if you had read only a small number of innocuous comments in which you saw nothing objectionable, why immediately assume that you will not get a reply, and that Paul is motivated by an agenda?
The kindest thing that can be said for this line of reasoning is that it is solipsistic – if you can’t comprehend something, then you can’t believe in its existence.
But it’s clear that making up stories and then feigning outrage to further some other purpose is something you do comprehend, and that is why you are so quick to accuse others of it.
Yes. For example, one of the last quotes is still visible on the first page, the one that begins “*but i do see the difference between…”
And I don’t understand how Paul misrepresented anything in this article. Can you elaborate?
“Why are people bothering…….”
I retract, of course.
Oh, Mickey T. Did you think “Jezebel” was referring to Paul’s article? I was referring to the “Jezebel” website.
mongo:
I have already explained why I think Paul has an agenda: he suggests that the comments section under the article is full of an aggressiveness that is simply not there, at least not as far as I can tell. I would be willing to accept that perhaps I have missed something if he came back and pointed out the exact comments he deemed aggressive, but I can’t help being a bit sceptical given that – and this is the important bit – the only specific comment he actually uses in his article to back up his claim is one that *is* actually there and which has been misrepresented by him.
Given this misrepresentation, do you really blame me for being suspicious? *Of course* I comprehend the practice of making up stories to feign outrage, I see it happen all the time in all kinds of media. Are you seriously suggesting that it doesn’t? And why should I give Paul the benefit of the doubt given a) the tone of his article, and b) the fact that in his initial response to me he was, again, evasive and refused to point to at least *one* particular comment that could stand as evidence for his initial position?
Mandy, do you not bother to read the comments section either?
B. R. Merrick:
So are you saying that there are other pages in the comment section that I am unable to see? Because I looked at the ‘Show all discussions’ bit too and the comments you quoted aren’t there either. Do you actually have a working link that contains the comments in question so I can see them for myself?
And I have to wonder: if Paul indeed had such a wealth of abusive comments to choose from why didn’t he? Instead he chose the one and only abusive comment that actually is on the page that I can see, and it was so weak that he had to twist it a bit too…..it’s the one about the woman who punched her ex because he showed up at her birthday party with a new girlfriend a week after they had broken up. Paul portrayed this as: ‘she punched him because he had the audacity to move on’, which is slightly different….maybe you would say that this is only a detail, and one that doesn’t justify the punch (and I would agree, it doesn’t), but it certainly places the incident under an entirely different light nevertheless.
In any case, I still have to wonder: if Paul really had all of these abusive comments to choose from why go for one he had to misrepresent in order to put his point across?
And I also have to wonder: why do all my comments on here end up hidden? It seems to me that some people can’t handle any criticism and don’t want to even consider an alternative perspective. I thought the point of these comments was to have an open debate and not to childishly be giving each other negative ratings every time something we don’t like is being said.
Actually, Mandy, you caught me. I made the whole thing up. That’s about as much sarcasm as I can handle right now.
B. R. Merrick: Again with the evasive responses and again with the childish negative ratings.
If you are interested in having a reasonable debate then I would be delighted. Otherwise, simply don’t bother…no need to push yourself too hard over this, not really worth it, is it?
No, it isn’t.
Mandy,
You were treated with more respect than you deserve. He even went and got the info that you were too lazy to get for yourself.
Find another website, or post over at the feminist and mangina page. You are done here.
And you would be quite correct, B.R.. Luckily, since the new site came up I have only had one statement like that. I pulled it immediately and directed any future posts from the guy to the spam filter.
I have had three of them over at youtube in the two years I have been there. Banned them all.
This is a good place for men to vent anger, even a great deal of hostility about their experiences with women and feminists. But there is a line here that you apparently won’t find at Jezebel. And fortunately for the MRM, it hardly ever gets crossed.
Thanks for having more patience with Mandy than I would have.
I noticed that my “Here’s a few of them” comment above has gotten two “Dislike” votes. Are these two conscientious commenters who think that perhaps — since many of the abuse remarks to not specify whether the violence was in self defense — I should not jump to the conclusion that these are remarks about initiatory coercion? Or are these two commenters who are upset that their worldview has been proven factually to be false?
Given Mr. Futrelle’s behavior lately, I have to wonder.
Whoops. Messed up the block quoting with that last one.
I have two friends that have been hit by violent aggressive women (their girlfriends) and neither of them defended themselves. I was present while my best friend’s ex gf smacked him repeatedly because she suspected him of infidelity, and I remember him saying “if you were a man you’d be dead right now!” And thats just how strong (and naive) most men are. They will endure violent attack without defending themselves simply because they are under the deluded belief that they are doing the “right thing” by accepting an attack in order to make up for a false defecit of violence between the sexes.
Men are a lot much better character and are far more powerless most people in society realize, and its almost entirely due to feminism. Down with feminism.