I suppose I should out myself from the beginning as being opposed to the death penalty. At the very least I’m against it till we develop a system that assures 100% certainty that we are killing the right person, and that assures that every deserving scumbag gets an equal chance at the needle.
We are nowhere near that competent, or even concerned about getting it right for that matter, so I remain at the default position of con.
That being said, in regards to the September 23rd scheduled execution of Teresa Lewis in Virginia, I have an amended position.
Let’s throw some burgers on the grill, crack open a few cold ones, and watch them ice this murdering bitch on pay-per-view. Or maybe we could tweak the date a little and do it at half time of a football game. Terry Bradshaw could do the play by play.
Teresa Lewis
We’ll put Sponge Bob on DVD in the other room for the kids.
I’m not just fascinated by the Lewis case because executions of women are rare. Though they are, exceedingly. Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, there have been over 1,200 executions in the United States. A whopping 11 of them, or less than 1%, were women. Lewis will, if not saved by the Supreme Court or the Virginia Governor, be the first dead woman walking in that state in 98 years.
This stands in pretty stark contrast considering women commit, by DOJ estimates, 10% of all murders, are involved in 35% of all domestic homicides (are involved means, like Lewis, they get other people to kill for them) and nearly 30% of murders where the victim was another family member.
On death row, it seems, the vagina exemption is almost a given.
And that really is what makes this particular case so interesting. It is not just that female executions don’t keep up with female criminality, it’s why they don‘t. And that requires us to take another much needed look at that most peculiar of growing social phenomenon, the pussy pass.
From all the evidence available, Lewis used her pussy to get into this trouble and now wants to use it to avoid paying the price. For the latter she is getting a lot of help; that coming from her attorneys, but bolstered by a gynocentric media that is reaching a frothing and feverish pitch in activism on her behalf.
On the surface, it might appear that they have a case to make for her.
One of Lewis’s hired killers, 22 year old Matthew Shallenberger, is alleged to have written a letter in which he claims to have manipulated Lewis, who reportedly has a low I.Q., into the crime. Apparently, the boy had Game, but not on a level that helped him with the state. He killed himself after getting a life sentence.
Lewis’s lawyers have had trouble getting the letter admitted into evidence.
It is also the contention of her counsel, with supporting expert opinions, that Lewis has a Dependent Personality Disorder, which makes her susceptible to being manipulated by men.
That’s clinical speak for the pussy pass. It has to be the man’s fault, right? Women don’t do these things unless someone makes them, and that someone is always a man.
But there are some other inconvenient facts around the case that don’t work in Lewis’s favor. For instance, there was an earlier failed plot to kill her husband and step son, and to help seal the deal Lewis had taken her 16 year old daughter to have sex with the second gunman, 19 year old Rodney Fuller. Apparently it was all the encouragement he needed.
Also, in consideration is the fact that Lewis financed the purchase of the weapons, left the front door of the home unlocked so that the gunmen could slip in and waited over 30 minutes as her husband lay bleeding to death before calling 911. It was actually the husband, Julian, who stubbornly clung to life long enough to tell the police at the scene that his wife knew the people who shot him, that quickly put investigators onto Lewis as the culprit. When she broke under questioning, she told investigators she did it for the money.
It would be easy enough to argue that any of that could still be consistent with her attorney’s assertion that this was a simple minded woman who got drawn in by a more intelligent and manipulative mastermind.
The only problem with that is that it really doesn’t matter. Death chambers have taken the lives of many men of low intelligence and who were highly impressionable. But there is not a penis pass, so they get the needle anyway.
And as you peruse the headlines of any of about a hundred news stories currently running on Lewis’s execution, you get the real reason for wanting to save her from her debt to society.
She is, well, a she. Lack of intelligence and impressionability aside, the one thing every news agency, and her lawyers keep hammering on to the public is that we are about to kill a woman. The rest is just window dressing that can be seen on every death row appeal ever written in the last hundred years.
Low intelligence means nothing, unless it is low enough that the person cannot comprehend the nature of their acts, or tell the difference between right and wrong.
All of Lewis’s behaviors, before the murders and up to this very moment are bombastic advertising that she knew exactly what she was doing and knew that it was wrong. And all we are witnessing now is a society struggling to cling to the idea that a woman’s life, even a calculated killer, is more valuable than a man’s.
I think we should start sending female killers to death row, and keep sending them, until we finally get smart enough to give this stupid and vile form of sexism its swan song; until we execute our own bigotry.
And if you are against the death penalty, this would be the wisest strategy to pursue. If you really want to end capital punishment, start executing women every time they legally deserve it. The death chambers would shut down overnight. And if that is not a sign of a very sick society, nothing is.
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Great stuff Paul. So true. “Vaginal Exemption”! “Penis Pass”! Pretty funny stuff.
We are truly living in a crazy place.
I’m wondering your brutally honest opinion on this, Paul.
I’m not entirely that sure all of this injustice from governments is really the result of natural, organic changes in the mass of society, but assuming it is, what you think about this:
How do you think we convince that society to be willing to allow women to bear the responsibility for their decisions, especially when they don’t work out? Also, how do we convince people to go further than that and actually actively punish women when they, by the fair standards we would hold any man to, deserve it?
As people who understand evolutionary psychology, we know exactly why both men and women would be hesitant to intentionally allow or perpetrate harm to a woman, even if her actions are clearly destructive to herself or others. Do you think we can win against such ingrained emotional programming with logical arguments about justice?
Good job on this one Paul. It’s too bad that the mainstream media won’t be so truthful, blunt, or perceptive. As a new hire for a city jail job I was, along with others, lectured about “sensitivity” to women and to “minorities” by a feminist in charge of such things. She was offended that they couldn’t get budgeting to give all the women a copy of “Our Bodies Ourselves” (I have a copy, denigrates and is insensitive to the male gender) She was also very angry that half the guards were not women to reflect the outside population where men and women are roughly equal in numbers. I said “Why don’t they hire based on the ratio of men to women, 99 to 1 in jails and prisons … she thought I was a misogynist. I also pointed out that the women had larger cells, nicer cells, and safer environments. I also pointed out that nowhere in the free world would we encourage men to have jobs where they watched women shower or shit, but we were – to insure “equal employment for women” having women watch men shower and shit. A man complaining in a prison in the US would be told he has less rights than a woman but no woman would ever hear that she has less rights than a man.
The instructor didn’t care to hear my views, … all men are animals, … well, she didn’t say those exact words but close enough. Glad she was in charge of teaching us to be “sensitive” to everyone by gender, if women, and race, if not white, … I only worked there three weeks.
Paul,
I think you should do a Happy Equality Day post when 23rd September comes up, and we can all share how we celebrated.
Oops, I forgot to add at the end of the previous that I love the enhancements to the comments system. Now, if only there were a feature where I could fix the stupid typo in my second sentence above.
Yikes.
Well, I live in Virginia, and if the phony left-right paradigm has any predictive value, the Republican governor should allow the execution to proceed.
I wouldn’t be concerned if she was put to death, at the very least she should have a life sentence. The mentally retarded defense is interesting, I think this was used successfully in the past.
Until women are held equally responsible as men, they will never understand or appreciate equality and the many injustices to men.
It’s a changing world, traditional chauvenism is dieing but it will take some time.
Well. it’s my opionion that we never will accomplish these things in the traditional sense. It is just too counter to sexal selection programming and would require the culture itself to overcome the results of evolution.
But I do think some important changes will happen.
This whole thing to me is not about chaning the culture, or even peoples minds, but about the development of a subculture. And there will (already has been) some positive effects from that.
Nothing will “convince” people more effectively than the reduction, even fractional, of men who are unwilling to serve as fodder for women’s benefit. And the more men that take the MGTOW approach, the ultimately more costly it will be for men that don’t.
White knights will eventually die out because the more men that reject that model, the more demands will increase on men who will to sacrifice to the wrong side of all these lopsided equations.
And if there is a way that we “convince” the cultre around us, that is it; by simply facilitating the idea that there is a growing circle of acceptance for men who will tell women to get lost the moment they claim any female entitlement.
I think another way we do it is through repetatively pointing to the weakness and stupidity of men who blindly follow the protect and provide proviso to their own bad end.
I already see plenty of evidence that this is the real men’s movement, and that it is growing steadily, most all of it among men who would not even identify as MRM.
Oh and Eincrou,
There is a preview button that you can use to review all your comments before posting.
@ Snark,
I have something to do in mind if they kill her. Something tells me you will laugh your ass off.
It’s really sick.
I did a search on “mentally retarded death penalty”. It appears that it is banned and very unpopular. She scored 72 IQ after she was arrested, 70 is retarded. So that means murderers should act really really dumb if they are ever caught to avoid the death penalty.
Seems kinda arbitrary since this murderer clearly knew what she was doing and that it was wrong. She watched him die slowly. She can never be trusted again. If 72 is deemed to be untrustworthy that they’re not responsible for their actions, then why are there so many on the streets?
Hmmm something sick? If a man did something like this, maybe a weenie roast. If a woman does…vagina fries?
As far as having low intelligence, I can see this contributing to a poorly executed strategy, but since when does it require intelligence to form intention. This bitch did it for the money. If there is any external influence manipulating this neandergal its the FEMINISM SYNDROME and a clear attempt at getting her share of entitlement, the money. This shit is government sanctioned misandry.
also
The concept of the “battered wife syndrome” is pure unadulterated utter bullshit.
Premised on the idea that if you abuse a dog it will eventually attack you. True, but an abused dog will attack anyone that shows aggression. Not so with the “battered wife”. She has only shown that she has a single target. The “battered wife” shows no anomalous expression, such as killing the physically aggressive anybody. Her partner is her only victim. It’s not a syndrome it’s hatred. Hatred of unfulfilled expectations and entitlements. It’s a FEMINISM SYNDROME. These fucking woman are never required by a court to prove or represent a behavior common in their lives that would support the claim. It is constantly defined by influencing factors, and the only defining expressed behavior is murder or the attempt. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit.
This bullshit is based in and on male shame, is it really a pussy pass or a shame pass?
Fuck her…..fry her and use 11 different herbs and spices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just my opinion.
haha…qkeith..i like that ” 11 herbs and spices” part^^
@ Ru
It’s an encrypted subliminal meme based on humor.
Entitlement is what we give ourselves by investing in our own lives. When we try to take it from someone else we become a chicken shit and we should get fried. It’s a secret recipe of life.
Example: you are an excellent father to your children……you have entitled yourself to that joy. Entitlements are what we look back on, not what we should expect.
This is a disgusting case that is currently in court:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100916/national/sisters_killed
She accused her husband of abuse, charged him with assault and alienated him from his children for a year.
He was given unsupervised access and on the day before he was to go to court to fight the assault charge, she recorded herself on video camera and talks about her hatred for her estranged husband and how “there is no way I could have them with you”. Then she killed those poor girls.
@ Denis
In the world of women justice is historical, it never looks forward.
@Denis –
Yeah and what will killing her achieve more misandry because the feminazi’s will go on the attack.. I’m telling you now they will, give the cow a life sentence instead in maximum security (that’ll fix the feminazi’s)
@Eincrou –
Eincrou wrote:
Yikes.
Well, I live in Virginia, and if the phony left-right paradigm has any predictive value, the Republican governor should allow the execution to proceed. Eincrou
KILLING HER WILL ONLY FUEL MORE MISANDRY AND US MEN CAN’T AFFORD THAT!!!
dude seriously kick her ass to jail she diserves it for her whole life (that’ll fix the fembots)
Hey you’re right can’t wait for the men’s studies to come forth over here In Australia feminism is still heavily Entrenched in society
Those are some disgusting stats paul, I really hope they can change. Its more amuntion I can use against the fems at college.
Four rottweilers, unfed for 3-5 days, in a pit 12ft by 12ft, smooth walls….no climbing, lubricated with the finest beef gravy from head to toe. Also included is the murder weapon with one shell. Cause it’s important to have a choice. Just like the victim.
I’m willing to afford that kind of misandry!!!
‘Victim’ admits acid attack was a hoax
Saturday, September 18, 2010 » 01:25pm
A woman claiming an attacker threw acid in her face has admitted inflicting the injuries on herself.
A woman who won sympathy from around the world by claiming an attacker threw acid in her face has admitted inflicting the injuries on herself.
Bethany Storro told police a black woman with a ponytail came up to her and said ‘Hey, pretty girl, want something to drink?’ then threw the burning liquid from a cup.
A surgeon who operated on her said the substance that had caused the wounds was as strong as hydrochloric or sulphuric acid.
Storro recounted details of the ‘attack’ at a news conference, with her head wrapped in bandages and her parents by her side.
Her account quickly garnered sympathy outside her home town of Vancouver, a suburb of Portland, Oregon, US, and accounts were set up for her at local banks to receive donations from well-wishers.
She was booked for several media appearances, including Oprah, although the plan to appear on the famous chat show fell through.
However, as police investigated further, discrepancies in her story emerged, and she eventually confessed the whole thing was a hoax.
Detectives’ suspicions were apparently raised by the splash pattern of the acid on her skin, which seemed more consistent with pouring or rubbing than being thrown.
In addition, although Storro said she was wearing sunglasses at the time of the the attack, burns appeared in areas that should have been protected by spectacles.
Vancouver police chief Clifford Cook said he did not know what had motivated Storro, but added the 28-year-old was ‘very remorseful’.
‘In many ways this got bigger than she expected,’ said another senior officer.
Detectives are working out how to return any money donated to Storro, who faces a charge of filing a false police report.
LOL I agree hahahaha
@ Peter
The problem with this victim is she made a poor choice of perpetrator. Had she said a man threw acid in her face she would be consulting with the plastic surgeon right now on her new nose.
“As far as having low intelligence, I can see this contributing to a poorly executed strategy, but since when does it require intelligence to form intention.”
Another one suffering from FEMINISM SYNDROME !!!!!
Here is a fine champ
Paul Elam
http://i.ixnp.com/images/v6.45/t.gif
@keith quite true most women are just complete Idoit’s in every sense of the word
@ Peter
Hey Mate
You guys been making some great headlines in the fight against misandry. Fathers rights and men’s rights. Suffered some set backs but your still going at it. Good on ya brother and I hope all your paths are downhill.
keith
The photo didn’t work!
@ Peter
Shit I thought it was a photo of winter in Canada !!!! LOL
@Peter
The acid throwing story is truly serendipitous, thanks for sharing it. I’ve been debating with someone who keeps bringing that shit up (acid in face). My reply is always to ask what the hell barbaric and archaic practices of backwater Bangladesh have to do w/ modern-day America (and ask if they can also tell me the current price of tea in China.) Irrefutable proof of “victim-power” and women’s awareness of its existence and manipulation of it. I agree that her biggest mistake was not saying it was a man she rejected who threw the acid.
@ Peter,
Was the photo one that you have on your hard drive? Did you use the new photo upload feature to post it?
@Peter –
Killing her won’t achieve anything but equality. If it puts an end to the death penalty so be it, but I have no pity for her. I understand shared parenting has created a lot of misandry in Oz. Tell women to get a job, the response is misandry about how useless men are in the home. it’s a natural reaction when women are held to the same standards as men.
Personally, I think she’ll get off on the retarded pass, which is in the same category of irresponsible adults as the pussy pass.
It achieves justice. Equality is only one instrument in the toolbag of justice. Equality itself as the end goal often leads to outcomes that are distinctly unjust.
A pertinent example of the cliff equality leads us off of is if we were to reach down into the ranks of women who had been convicted of nonviolent felonies to find some females we can execute on the evil altar of mindless devotion to equality.
The hell with killing these folks is that we all end up dying in the end, so where’s the punishment? If I could be assured that my death would be painless and quiet, I’d be pretty content with that sitting 20 years over the horizon.
The hell with keeping these folks alive is that these are the kinds of predators who thrive in prison, and if they’re sitting on death row, in most prisons, it’s a pretty safe and controlled environment for the most part. In general population, these people do well. Certainly better than most normal people would.
Crime and punishment is a walk that’s littered with slippery rocks, with no real place to put your foot unless you’re okay with landing on your ass in dirty water without a moment’s notice. Every assertion can be logically challenged, and the complexities are witheringly dense. That said, no one seems to realize the fact that the subject has any grays between the blacks and the whites as they stand there as absolute as good and evil themselves.
If we’re going to kill people, then kill them as if they never had a name or any identity whatsoever. No parents from the right or wrong side of town, no bank accounts with cash in them, no personal history that either helps or hinders the decision to let the poison flow. Nothing at all to adjust the scales.
Sentence them as absolutely anonymous cases, at least 1,000 miles from where the 1st jury handed down the conviction, and with no lawyers or testimony beyond what the original jury saw – with all identifying information redacted. Completely anonymous, and completely dispassionate.
I wonder what impact that would have on capital death-penalty cases?
The death penalty is not even close to punishment, nor is it a deterrent. And your right, women do use the old cootch to get their crimes done most of the time. But that is just as much their male coconspiritors fault as anyone’s.
Women aren’t executed as often simply because they do not pull the trigger or do the stabbing or the strangling or the what have you. Their men do. If you want to call that a pussy pass I’m all for it but it has nothing to do with the judicial process.
Eincrou wrote: “A pertinent example of the cliff equality leads us off of is if we were to reach down into the ranks of women who had been convicted of nonviolent felonies to find some females we can execute on the evil altar of mindless devotion to equality.”
I’m suggesting equal sentence for equal crimes. Your example is the feminist definition of equality. Equal pay for unequal jobs, equal sentence for unequal crimes.
I don’t have a problem with the Death Penalty, but I too believe that the State MUST have exemplary evidence. I realize that no system is perfect and unfortunately there is room for corruption, but in this case I think the State is right and the bitch should fry. Personally I think Child molesters should be included as a Capital Crime, but that is another subject.
I am not 100% sure that it really is a different subject, given the focus of these discussions.
At any rate it brings up a lot of questions. First, women accusing their spouses of molesting the kids are not altogether unusual in divorce proceedings. And then there too is the almost routine pass we give women for having sex with underage persons.
I aggree with you 100% that child molestation deserves harsh treatment, but I am also aware that we are currently treating it harshly, but only when men do it, and we have just as bad a problem of accusing innocent men of it as we do with rape.
Feminist/mangina politics have screwed the entire pooch on crimes related to sex, so my passions are first and foremost on straightening that out before I would encourage people to pick up their pitchforks and torches and go after any particular type of criminal.
Not only when “men do it” is it treated harshly.
It is treated pretty harshly when men are just accused on zero evidence. And the public is all too ready to condemn without any thought as to whether or not the allegation are true or just an attepmt to extort money.
I’ve said it a dozen times and I’ll say it again.
Perjury MUST carry the same sentence as the accused in any crime faces. And it HAS to also apply to cops found to be “testi-lying”.
I don’t agree with the death penalty. But if women want equal rights, they should get equal responsibility. It’s about time women got equal treatment under law.
@ Eincrou
“A pertinent example of the cliff equality leads us off of is if we were to reach down into the ranks of women who had been convicted of nonviolent felonies to find some females we can execute on the evil altar of mindless devotion to equality.”
And if this very act were not the end result are we in fact standing on the cliff of equality or a cliff of mindless devotion. When it comes to mindless devotion, it is curious how a man could reside in the proximity of such danger and risk and be unaware enough to lose his life. I have always found it vile that my own vulnerability is my mindless devotion. Once put aside no relationship survives.
Gloria Steinham was quoted saying “Logic is in the eye of the logician”
Maybe equality is in the eye of the unequal.
@ Eincrou
“It achieves justice. Equality is only one instrument in the toolbag of justice. Equality itself as the end goal often leads to outcomes that are distinctly unjust.”
I find “justice” to be expressed with gender alternates. In the masculine it is often expressed as an impersonal logic. Mitigating conflict between two external forces.
In the feminine it appears to be often expressed as a personal logic, mitigating conflict between internal forces and external forces.
It begs the question in my mind whether the feminine bases judgment on empathy or narcissism.
That’s a clever way of putting it.
The point I was trying to make with my previous comment, one that I believe was unclear, is that properly executed justice can never lead to absurd results. Equality most certainly can, so obviously there have to be principles that can override it. I wasn’t disagreeing with Denis by any means; just adding to what he said.
Justice is the attempt to find out how and when tools, such as equality, are appropriate to apply. I only accept what you described as the ‘masculine’ to be proper justice. Introducing personal feelings into the process with an overriding priority above other important tools is certain to be a disaster. We do this regularly in the courts and it is a source of many of the problems we talk about here. Even if misandry were extant in the general culture, it should still be impossible for it to have an effect on the process, if properly followed.
Spot on keith! yeah I also agree when a Woman rapes a 6 year old she gets off scott free but a man doing it gets sentenced to Life If he’s lucky Death if he’s not and more often then not he’s NOT lucky.
I meen what’s the big frigging deal kids do kids all the time it’s the way it has always been.
but an ADULT getting away with it because she has a PUSSY f**king hell They should be punished just as severly as they get men that do that sort of thing punished.
We know it’s wrong and who says children don’t rape,
I’ll give you something that happened to me when I was 20 I was asleep in my bed having a dream about a boat out in the middle of an ocean and all of a sudden I felt some-one a LOT smaller then I on top of me she did me and (well we all know what happens with that) and I couldn’t get awake enough to get the little bitch off of me! thank god her father was understanding (he said “let’s not mention it shall we” I said “agreed” she blurted it out at him when I was there he looked sympathetic towards me she was only **8 years old** and raped me in my sleep nobody laugh please that is NOT funny It’s embarrasing also when I was 25 I was raped again in my sleep by my new neighbours daughter she was only 12 for crying out loud)
again NOT FUNNY yes I was enraged when I found out I overheard her mother yelling at her about doing it
All I really want to do Is attract some-one my own Goddamn age and start a family think I can do that over here.. NOPE! I keep attracting kids for christ sake It makes me feel like going POSTAL on peoples asses (I even had a 14 year old comment on how “hot” I looked) GAH!!!
@ Eincrou
“I wasn’t disagreeing with Denis” I thought not when contemplating the circumference of your comment. But since it had the gray area, I thought I would check to see if you might be a misogynist cross-dresser. LOL
“Even if misandry were extant in the general culture, it should still be impossible for it to have an effect on the process, if properly followed.”
It seems to me the most benevolent factor of justice is it’s potential as a motivating force. The most profound expressions of justice would also seem to have exponential influence on social consciousness. Even heads on a pike make a statement. Reducing the sentence of this woman by staying the execution, would seem to deliver one of two messages.
Violence against men, including death is socially acceptable.
Loading the camel with straw to await the one that breaks it’s back.
The message within justice seems to reveal a motivation, but I am having a hard time with understanding the direction of that motivation. I must be testosterone flushed.
I would like to say, unless you clearly know the mental IQ of this woman then you clearly cannot make the assumption that she was of full functioning comprehension about the acts she were to commit. For instance, if you really were capable of knowing the velocity of the crime you were going to commit, wouldn’t you keep it secret! Would you engage in activity that would alert others of your plan consciously knowing they could “turn on you?” That would be insanity wouldn’t it?!
@ Miss Bee
I tried as best I could to find a cogent point in your post but could only make sense out of the first sentence. The fact is I do clearly know the IQ of this woman. It was tested at over 70 (72) which gives her points on many men that have been executed.
@ MBH (not to be confused with the degree)
I’m confused, if I knew that I knew with a functioning velocity to comprehend, then not telling anyone would preclude confirmation of knowing that I knew, for instance that I was capable of knowing, or could commit to knowing, as opposed to just keeping my knowing a secret assuming that I had an IQ. You know!!
“As far as having low intelligence, I can see this contributing to a poorly executed strategy, but since when does it require intelligence to form intention.”
I believe in legal circles this is referred to as the
I’m to stupid to be stupid defense
Nicely said keith
Isn’t it “ironic” that the symbol of blind justice is a blindfolded WOMAN holding a balance scale. And the symbol of liberty is another WOMAN holding a torch.
If the woman who microwaved her 9 mo old baby to death because the baby was interfering with her love life wasn’t executed, you might want to hold off picking up those cold ones.
Maybe I shouldn’t say this… BUT….
Does anyone think she’d be getting the needle if she looked like Jessica Alba? Hell, does anyone think she even would have been convicted in the first place?
Just saying…
@ Retrenched
I thought of addressing that point in the OP, but decided it was more efficient not to. I absolutely agree with you. There is the pussy pass, and then there is the good looking pussy pass. The latter explains why the 11 women executed in the U.S. since the return to capitol punishment were all butt ugly.
That ain’t no accident.
Although in Canada there is no death penalty, in a case of brutal sexual serial murders by Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo in which Homolka participated in the murder of her own sister. They were so ready and wanting to give her the pussy pass that her lawyer struck a deal to testify against Bernardo while withholding video tapes of the actual crimes.
Homolka, however, “portrayed herself as the innocent victim of a murderous monster. [In 1993], she struck a deal with prosecutors (later dubbed the “Deal with the Devil”) and pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the deaths in exchange for a 12-year prison sentence. But videotapes of the crimes, found after the plea bargain, showed her to be a more active participant. Public outrage about Homolka’s sentence had barely cooled by the time of her extremely high-profile release from prison in 2005″.
This was the photo that was commonly used in the media. Does this answer your question?
[img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/homolka.jpg[/img]
When I was a kid still living at home there was an instance where a woman in Texas was up for execution; I can’t remember who. She was in her late forties and was shown sitting in a rocking chair in her cell knitting a scarf for her grandchild. That’s right, a scarf in Texas!
My dad looked at me and said “whenever you see a woman on Death Row being interviewed you can almost certainly count on her knitting something.”
It’s not just the fair maiden archetype that is played up but the doting mother/grandmother archetype as well in order to protect these women from their own actions. Unfortunately for Ms. Lewis, they had a hard time pulling either one of those off so they used the Retarded Pussy pass. And when you do that you open the case to more objective scrutiny. Too bad for her.
Oh, God. Very, very funny:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/virginia-to-execute-first-woman-in-97-years,18102/
@ Kelly BS
“Women aren’t executed as often simply because they don’t pull the trigger or do the stabbing………….”
Did it ever occur to you that women do MORE damage LEGALLY?
I think Paul’s point is that the law needs changing to make women’s crimes illegal and carrying the same penalties as men, as it should be.
Sort of, equality.
I live in St. Catharines, where the homolka/bernardo murders occurred. I’m thinking of using the issue to discredit local politicians, judicial training, police training and discriminatory DV supporters.
Dr. Peter Jaffe currently sits as chairman of the Ontario Death Review Committee, which reviews and reports on a hand selected number of domestic homicides each year. The ODRC is being promoted by liberal politicians as the primary defense for discriminatory DV policies. Jaffe has spent his entire career teaching women’s studies and studying violence against women (women’s shelters only). He is also responsible for much of the training programs for judges, lawyers and police.
Jaffe was the “expert witness” at the trial of Paul Bernardo who said that Karla Homolka could have been a “battered woman” who was not responsible for the drugging, raping, and murder of several teenage girls, including her little sister Tammy. Never mind that at the time of this incident, holiday videos showed a beaming and preening Karla, totally besotted with Bernardo and not the least bit abused.
The defense lawyer held onto the tapes until they were able to strike a deal for Homolka. If the prosecution had the incriminating tapes, they would never have needed to make any deal with Homolka. That lawyer has never been held responsible for his illegal actions of withholding crucial evidence which showed Homolka as a willing and eager accomplice.
Homolka is currently a free woman, with a new name.
12 fucking years…the public is outraged!
@Keith Your accounting of the Carla Homolka matter is very good, but allow me to add to it.
Consider this.
I knew and spoke with the police officer who drove Paul Bernardo between jail and court throughout his whole trial. He spoke with Paul for hours every day. As a police officer, given discussions he had with Paul, he said that there is NO doubt in his mind that she was the mastermind and Paul her puppet! She lured the victims and had Paul do her dirty work! This woman animal was able to have supper upstairs right AFTER raping her sister and murdering her in the basement!
A friend of mine mentioned to me just the other week that during his first divorce his lawyer was the same lawyer who failed to turn over the video tapes which lay on his desk and he saw the sticky tapes which marked them as such. My ex wife also knew this lawyer and told me how that decision haunted him knowing that he attributed to all but quashing a proper conviction of Carla Homolka. We must remember that in Canada there is the Law Society. Crown attorneys, lawyers and judges are ALL members. In my view, they secretly converse with one another and regularly decide the fate of trials! Just look at Michael Bryan, former Attorney General kills a cyclist no trial even with hard evidence. Dan Major is made to spend months in jail charged by a cop who had NO evidence, he made them up with Sherry Major who he was having an affair with. I verily believe inside deals are made all the time!
Now here is the shocking kicker! In order for a plea bargain to be accepted in Ontario it requires the approval of the Attorney General, who is the senior most authority in law in the province! The Attorney General was no other than Marian Boyd A RADICAL FEMINIST!!!! She was bitter her bill 168 giving benefits to same sex couples failed. However, the ZERO tolerance DV laws did NOT. That law was designed by a feminist and brought into government through back doors without due process to benefit women, and harm men in order to get funding for Women’s Shelters!
It is ironic how Marian Boyd is against polygamy but she lives in a “group marriage or Co-creative family” (what is that?) with her husband and husband’s boyfriend/gay lover! Is that not the equivalent of polygamy. I guess what is ok for women is not ok for men!
Call it double standard, bias, sexual discrimination or “pussy pass” as Paul puts it, it seems that there are different rules for men and women with men taking the blunt of the blows nearly every time be it as a victim or otherwise! I get brutally criticized often for denouncing feminism and the ill effect it has on everyone!
How’s this for a “pussy pass”? From CBS News:
“A Somali woman charged in the deaths of two of her children allegedly locked them and three siblings inside a small closet and left to visit a friend, returning about 10 hours later to find the boy and girl dead inside…
“On Monday, Farah was charged with two preliminary counts of neglect of a dependent resulting in death.” Neglect?
That’s it. For deliberately locking children in a walk-in closet for hours on end, placing a bed against the door so they coulnd’t get out, and not calling any emergency numbers or trying to revive the kids when two “stiff and unresponsive” bodies were pulled out. She told officers she “was not in her right mind.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/22/national/main6889887.shtml
@B.R. Merrick “She told officers she “was not in her right mind.””
Neither was Ted Bundy, or Charles Manson!
4 hours to justice, scheduled 9 p.m. EDT execution.
Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to postpone the death sentence.
Two of the three women on the court, named Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, voted to prevent the execution.
The court’s judgment followed Gov. Bob McDonnell’s rejection to review a mercy request, which he discarded on Friday
She has informed prison personnel she’d like two chicken breasts, sweet peas with butter, a Dr. Pepper and either German cake or apple pie for dessert.
If that is someone’s idea of a last meal, it’s all the more reason to take her out. At least now I believe her I.Q. is 72.
@ Attila
In the case of Homolka, there was no reason to second guess her motivations, fact is evidence was withheld that was crucial to understanding both perpetrators. It is the manipulation of justice behind closed doors, that is the larger crime. There is a system in place to answer such crimes. When that system is circumvented we all lose. If we end up with an approximation of a functioning system, we only have a shell for the corrupt to hide behind. The lawyer should be disbarred and serve time.
I think what is becoming clear to me is that the law is applied based on career advantage. The severity of charges seems to be governed by whether or not it is good for the career of the person dealing with it. Which would seem to include police on all levels, legal officials representing the state, such as crown attorney’s, ministers and politicians. There is a clear pattern. No doubt a study of facts would reveal the pattern to be a much more profound level of corruption. Even in the detail cited by BR Merrick, it would be a career breaker to apply harsher charges. Justice unfortunately is not for the community, justice is only for those climbing the ladder.
Anyone who would suggest this is a civilization we live in is just completely fucking blind by choice.
@ Denis
My suggestion would be German Apple Pancake, a personal favorite. However it is always enjoyed so much more in the morning!!!
Interesting article claiming that women are also discriminated against by the justice system…for violating norms of gender correctness. Huh?
http://www.slate.com/id/2267989/
“For her, this meant marrying at a very young age (16) and a lifetime of being dependent on men”
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“From the moment I met her I knew she was someone who could be easily manipulated. From the moment I met her I had a plan for how I could use her to get some money.” It’s hard to imagine a man raising a similar claim about being lured into a criminal enterprise by a brilliant young woman.
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She was sentenced harshly because she used sexuality and adultery to mastermind a murder plot against loved ones, and she seeks a reprieve from death because her sexuality made her a victim in uniquely female ways.
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Victor Streib, a professor of law at Ohio Northern University and an expert on gender bias, noted in 1996 that while women comprise 13 percent of arrests for murder, they receive only 2 percent of the death sentences. “It’s like there’s something more valuable about women’s lives,” he has said. “Women are also treated differently when they’re victims.”
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Hard to imagine even the staunchest feminist insisting that if women commit 10 percent of the murders, they should compose 10 percent of those executed for it.* The better feminist response to the infrequency of capital punishment for women should probably be to fight to see that it’s equally rare for men.
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That’s because gender bias cuts both ways in the criminal justice system. While women are sentenced to death far less frequently than men, often the offenses for which they are sentenced are also rooted in antiquated gender stereotypes.
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Maybe it’s because, from the days of the Puritans, Americans have thrilled to stories of fiendish and beastly women who killed their loved ones. The culture expected white women to be “kindly, passive, virtuous caretakers,”
My goodness, we have a bunch of “hanggin’ judges” here. But, it’s long past due, and they sure as hell asked for it, and damn well deserve it.
It’s now 8PM EST. Even though it’s unfortunate to take a human life, I think I have enough time to run out and get a bunch of “cold ones”, and be back in time for a tiny step towards the liberation of my brothers and children.
There was a publication ban for the Homolka/Bernardo trials, everything happened behind closed doors through the actions of a feminist attorney general, feminist DV expert and Bernardo’s lawyer hiding evidence. There has never been an inquiry and likely never will.
Most of the Canadian public knows very little about the case.
@ Denis
The claim at the time was that the murders were so brutal, a public inquiry would not be in the best interest of the surviving families. Although several claims regarding police mismanagement of the scarboro rapist leads suggests that an inquiry of any kind would have been counter productive to careers in the “justice” system. More police ineptitude and corruption covered up.
TheNewsBlotter: /@cnnbrk: Teresa Lewis was executed Thurs night, becoming the first woman executed in Virginia in nearly a century.
Regardless of position in capital punishment…that’s equality!
The real victory is the national discussion on gender discrimination in life and death.
WTF!?
“Tonight, the machinery of death in Virginia extinguished the beautiful, childlike and loving human spirit of Teresa Lewis …” Rocap said.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/23/virginia.woman.execution/index.html?hpt=T1
@Denis
Question:
What’s the difference between a dead lawyer on the highway, and a dead skunk on the highway?
Answer:
There are skid marks near the skunk.
(Doesn’t apply to all lawyers)
These guys do this all day long, and still go home and look at themselves in the mirror.
Take it for what it’s worth, and enjoy our little, as you say, “victory”.
Besides, reading the Cun* News Network will only get you upset.
I have always been against the death penalty. First it is just plain wrong period and let’s the criminal off the hook too easy. I feel they should have to live a long miserable life and think on what they did. I recall having this battle way back with a few of you. Most were on the same page as me.
I find it appalling that because this is a woman that was executed your position on the subject would change. Is this a one time change of heart or is it a permanent change in thinking ? Also is it only women that you support executing ? Do you feel better ? I think it is sad when anyone is killed and even worse when it is state sanctioned. It does not signify equality in society but rather barbarism and voyeurism at it’s worst.
I know you all find her vile as do I. Just think about this for a moment. What kind of man would kill for pussy & butt ugly pussy at that.
Sisterhood is well in the Supreme Court. Two female justice, Ginsburg and Sotomayor, were only ones in favor of stopping Teresa Lewis execution which now has taken place. Link;
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/09/22/2010-09-22_supreme_court_denies_stay_of_execution_for_virginias_teresa_lewis.html
@Jackie,
I don’t agree with the death penalty, but this issue is about equality under the law. Disagree with the law all you want, it must be applied equally.
If you want to challenge the injustice of the death penalty…consider all of the innocent men who have been freed from death row by the innocence project.
“What kind of a man would kill for pussy………”
I guess one who has a low IQ and is also getting money for it as well. Pussy isn’t worth that much.
Just couldn’t close without demonizing a man, could you?
I think you are missing the point. The issue is not how and when one views the death penalty, it is the outrageous and unjust double standard surrounding it.
I disagree with the law period & will not be waiver.
How many innocent men have been executed. If only One it is too many. I support the innocence project. They do great work.
I am not demonizing anyone. I find her vile and him without a spine. Both worthless pounds of flesh in my opinion.
The pussy pass isnt just on the death penalty its on all crime – not just on sentencing but on weather she’s arrested or not.
I’m as against life imprisonment as the death penalty, an oppinion women have beat me for in the past – “you think i shouldn’t be able to kill someone for touching me in a place i don’t like?” *punch* way to respond to an argument :/
I’m more a ‘maximize good’ than ‘retribution’ type – treating women how we should treat everyone is better than treating both like crap even if its less ‘fair.’ The BNP keep asking for whites only groups in response to blacks only ones – why not just oppose the blacks only ones, and while we’re on topic, the punishment of men?
But back to my main point – this isn’t JUST a factor in the death penalty, it spreads throughout the justice system in a bias against men.
Damn, Un, you are on a tear today. Good to see you back.
I say hang em high
Quote from Pam Day (sorry for the bumping of old thread , but this woman sees throught the feminist smoke and mirrors , it seems ):
“This is so unfair. I’m sure she’s only going to be given two-thirds of the poison that a man would get.”
Very interesting piece.
Things are worse in Canada. Those who contemplate the scene north of the border might be interested in my latest article: http://rescumi.blogspot.com/2011/04/courting-female-offender.html
Great write-up Recti