The Huffington Post has jumped on the SPLC bandwagon, and written an article targeting the men’s movement, this website, and the men’s rights subreddit at reddit.com.
The article is glaring with factual errors and direct falsehoods, including the incredible claim that “The Innocence Project” is a product of the Men’s Movement. There are equally off target claims on nearly every line of the piece. They couldn’t even manage to write the headline without trying to shame MRA’s by telling us to “grow some.” On a normal business day I would walk you through that generic Huffpo writer’s lines of broken logic and repeated falsehoods, for your entertainment if not for anything else.
Today, however, is not just another business day. Today I will just link you to the article. Read it at your leisure or don’t. You have heard it all before. They have us all figured out, only they don’t know even the most fundamental things about us. Same shit, different day.
It has become apparent that after keeping their heads in the sand for as long as possible that some elements in the mainstream are waking up to the fact that the MRM is here to stay, and growing.
They are freaking out.
The SPLC fiasco was an orchestrated warning shot (with Huffpo likely being a hapless, tagalong follow up). They clearly don’t understand the nature of this thing well enough to know that coming after us this way is like trying to stop a thunderstorm by going after one raindrop at a time. I am happy for them to do this. It gives us a bounce in publicity and does nothing to slow things down.
But there is another concern here which takes us back to why this is not just another day in the MRM.
Recently we went through a crisis that, unlike what SPLC and Huffpo can muster, was real. One of our more respected members became despondent and sent me an email in which he stated he was going to end his life. Luckily, with the help of MRA’s we were able to track him down and get some help to him before he took himself out. We still don’t know exactly how he is doing, except that today we are reasonably certain that he is still in the land of the living.
His breaking point was exactly what many of our adversaries want. Or, as one feminist troll on Reddit quipped hopefully, “1 down 35,000 to go.”
This is not just an isolated scumbag. There are others out there, sitting in corners and lurking, waiting for MRA’s to make posts expressing their feelings of hopelessness. And when that happens, they come out of the woodwork wherever people like David Futrelle hang out, like the SRS subreddit; the same place that assumed feminists were recently taunting suicidal men; goading them; hoping to push them toward ending their own lives.
This is, in the end, who we are dealing with. It is a population of people that want to target the many wounded men that find refuge in this movement and urge them toward the unspeakable.
I can hear the fembots screeching now some crap about how those aren’t real feminists and not to blame them for the actions of a few. Forget about it. As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between someone who will say, ‘1 down, 35,000 to go,” and other scumbags that will treat abused, disheartened men like they are hate-mongers, or better yet misogynistic whiners that are pettily grieving for some confabulated illusion of male privilege that they don’t and never did have. It is just as cruel and depraved.
It is hard for me to start in on these “people” and not write a book about it, but that is not why I am writing this article.
What I want to say today is that I know what these immoral bigots refuse to understand, and refuse to care about when they do. There are a lot of desperate and damaged men in this movement; men who have been taken to hell and back by a system that started throwing them overboard 50 years ago; men who have not seen their beloved children in years, men living in squalor, working in servitude to a system that owns them like chattel; men who have been destroyed by evil, outrageous lies – taken as gospel by authorities who just don’t give a damn about truth or justice.
We have men in this movement who have been stripped of everything; who have not even been allowed to hang on to their freedom or their dignity. And now, in this faltering, but still female-centric economic climate, we have legions of men who are destitute, homeless, and who see only bleakness in the days ahead. The cruel icing on that cake is that they still live in a world that tells them they are worthless if they are not financially successful.
In short, we have more than our share of men teetering on the edge.
Of course, we don’t have much of any services that are wired to deal with these men, and almost nothing in the way of social understanding. Increasing numbers of men are, for all most of the world cares, simply a bunch of broken appliances; outmoded, useless and taking up too much room. And the moment some reach out for compassion or help, there are more than a few that will shove the knife in deeper and twist.
It sounds terrible, and it is. But there is another side to this as well. When our friend Factory reached out, many, many in the MRM offered whatever they could to help. I had offers of help from the town in which he lives. I had emails of support from people who offered to do whatever was asked. I am still getting messages inquiring about how he is doing. There were people, men and women, from Texas to California to British Columbia to Saskatchewan, all taking action of some kind or another. All of this from MRA’s and MRA’s only.
And that is worth writing about. It is a much more important message than dwelling on the society of human garbage in which men and boys currently find themselves living.
I want to encourage those MRA’s who are not in the worst of times to please continue to watch out for those who are. And for the many of you who are just hanging on, hang on a little tighter. If you need help, please let someone know. We will work something out. Scratch and claw if you have to, but choose to live. We have a long way to go, and we need you. Not to mention the fact that despite what people who oppose our cause think, you are worth staying alive just for the sake of living.
Perhaps someday when our culture recognizes that men are human beings we can quit operating everything for them on tattered old shoe strings and the men’s movement can actually start funding some services to help men in crisis. Till then, please hang in there and help us get down that road.
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I daresay this brings a tear to my eye. This is so damned beautiful.
I was completely censored. 100% completely censored.
Why no Mens’ Voices on Huffpo?
Why the over 100 mentions of women in Obamcare, but only 2 innocuous mentions of men?
Why no Men’s Voices on Huffpo?
They “already” hear men’s voices in everything else is the claim, but it appears men have things to say that women aren’t hearing.
They are gonna cancel my subcribtion again it seems…
I used to believe there was a difference between an equity feminist, gender feminist, pop feminist, etc.
I now know better. If you are a feminist you are the enemy. Plain and simple.
AF(eminists)ALT
That’s because you were a nice guy.
Now you’re a wise man…
It comes with taking a certain shade of pill.
No matter what kind of feminist you are, just about every brand of feminism is spreading lies about female victimhood, even the ones who aren’t constantly hating on men.
Feminism spreads lies like a fly spreads germs.
http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2012/01/feminism-spreads-lies-like-fly-spreads.html
As far as I’m concerned, you can safely lump ALL feminists into one of two categories:
1. Idiots (useful or otherwise)
If they still think that feminism is an equality movement, or anything but a feminist supremacy movement, then they belong in this category. I try to educate people I find in this category.
2. Bigots
If they are aware of what feminism is and they still refer to themselves as feminists, then they are clearly sexist bigots, and should be held up and shown to be that.
I couldn’t agree with you more. What’s known as radical feminism is in fact mainstream and equity feminism. If it were not so, the “moderate” feminists would actively and publicly side with MRAs in response to the overt hatred we have seen on mainstream television, the press and internet. Yet they don’t. They passively sit by and watch the dehumanization, damnation and destruction of men like Romans in the stadiums were many, not just Christians, were gratuitously put to death. What is heartbreaking strife for many men is little more than entertainment to feminists. All of them.
I have never been more proud than I am now. It is an honour to be a part of the fight for equal protection under the law, and equal protection of government.
Sometimes I am angry, and I want to tell the likes of Futrelle and the SPLC “we will win, and when we do, we will record your poison words so that 100 generations will add your names to the long list of reactionary throw-backs and oppressors of the weak and vulnerable.”
Other times I just want to squint and see if maybe I can see the dim light of liberation that I know lies at the end of this long tunnel of struggle and pain.
Someday, Futrelle is gonna get his. He is going to pay dearly for the lies he’s been spreading about men. And we’ll all be watching and laughing.
In the meantime, lying crook that he is, he’s doubtlessly going to take this comment of mine out of context to show that I’m threatening violence against him. Go ahead, Manboobz. All you’ll be doing is reinforcing my point.
Red pill OD — is it any wonder?
I mean just trying to comprehend the monolithic juggarnaut of “Woman, Inc.” charities, services, activist and watchdog groups, not to mention media and government bias, can seem hopeless at times.
If AVfM has to be a men centric Outreach group than so be it, if that’s what men need…and no one else will provide it. (“Men’s Outreach” Why does that sound so wrong?)
A bucolic meadow with a purple cow high in the Rocky Mountians awaits your presence this summer. Come out to Colorado and release yourself from the pressure for a few days. We’ll let you.
Actually it does not sound wrong at all.
With the facts in our “favour” of the majority representation for men in almost all negative outcomes and situations, even a bird brained feminasty would be hard pressed to find fault with a splinter branch that make zero reference to women at all but instead focuses solely on helping men. Sure they will whine and bitch about it excluding women at which point one simply has to point to the myriad of female specific services that many men foot the bill for. Then pat them on their head and send them out to play with the other slow children.
Without seeming to take on one of the sources of male suffering we would do just that. We would siphon off funding the feminasties want so they “don’t need a man” or a real job and put it to use serving the needs of men.
Garlic and Holy Water soup for the feminist vampires.
Keyster,
I was involved back in the 80s in Men’s Groups. Looking back now at the Mythopoetic slant of them – Robert Bly poetry, drumming etc is a bit embarrassing. However, the tranquil natural settings were a kind of balm for wounded guys dealing with feminism at the time.
I see a place in the Men’s Rights movement for retreats for MRA. Fighting for justice can be pretty bruising at times and the occasional retreat to recharge batteries and personal reflection can work wonders.
So I think you touch upon something very worthwhile here.
My answer to the Huff post article:
“A wonderful gift for men, boys, and fathers! Courtesy of the feminist grinch-army of snivelling curs and gutless jellyfish who defend their entrenched privilege with craven slander against the most impacful civil rights movement of the third millennium.”
Thank-you Paul for this wonderful posting.
Factory – wherever you are Brother, if this reaches you then please be mindful you are worth more to us alive than dead. You’re videos and writings have been an important wake up call to a system asleep at the wheel. Take your time to refresh and heal. We love you dearly.
So Huffpo are towing the line and adding to the attack on the MRM.
That’s Great!
As Paul mentions they’re freaking out!
We’re getting to them.
Time to up the ante further with strategies to expose their dumb misandry to hatch methinks.
MRM – Men’s Relentless Movement!
Men’s Righteous Movement!
The night is darkest before the dawn.
Men’s Rights is the extreme and outrageous claim that men and boys need compassion too.
Other than having to get your limbs blown off in war, this is the only place you’ll find it.
“Got to kick at the darkness ’til it bleeds daylight”
Lovers in a Dangerous Time – Bruce Cockburn
You don’t know how many times I have thought of that line in conjunction with men’s rights.
Slightly OT, interesting how spell check doesn’t recognize plural forms of men but does recognize “women’s”, sort of like an attempt to disassociate men from the idea of working with each other instead of competition; by denying the very linguistic possibility.
Well said, Mr. Elam! I remember you used this quote before and it comes to mind now:
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mahatma Gandhi
I believe in this movement and change is in the air. Please stay strong, everyone. Stay committed and keep hope alive. We will win!
Paul, you write so well.
Let me add my two cents.
First, I am switching over to my new site, and a lot of people will think it’s a reaction to the SPLC. Actually, Paul knows the truth, because I sent him a screenshot of my new site a few months ago. We’ve been planning this for a while. The site was designed last fall. I am doing this to build a more effective site for the wrongly accused.
Second, I sincerely believe that these attacks are cyclical. The far left is emboldened right now, perhaps a product of forcing Rush Limbaugh to apologize? They believe that their world view is actually mainstream, but it isn’t. They actually thought their “War on Women” spin was working. But, alas, yesterday’s New York Times shows that President Obama’s approval rating among men went from 45 percent to 41 percent in the past month. Among women, the figures went from 53 percent to 41 percent. It seems that most women, who are struggling financially like most men, are not terribly sympathetic to a young law student who actually expected people to believe the following statement when she testified about her law school’s contraception policy: “Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy.” http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Testimony_-_Sandra_Fluke.pdf Note it wasn’t the tens of thousands of dollars of tuition debt, not to mention the cost of housing, books, and everything else that forces women to struggle financially — it’s contraception. Limbaugh didn’t need to mock this woman to underscore the shallowness of her argument. All he needed to do was quote her.
What the extreme left forgets is that most staunch Christians are women, and a lot of them are offended to hear a privileged feminist in law school tell them that her right to contraception coverage trumps our collective First Amendment rights on religion.
Third, everyone reading this needs to do a better job in not tolerating comments that stereotype women. Seriously. That’s why I haven’t done any posts on Spearhead for a while — some of the comments were outrageous. It only takes a few to tar everyone, and I didn’t want to be a part of that. It’s not right, and why give the extremists any real ammunition?
First let me confirm that everything Pierce said is true, and I am certain that the new site will be another valuable resource in this godawful zeitgeist.
I also affirm my agreement with what Pierce said about pointless and gratuitous stereotypes.
Here we frequently investigate and explore critiques of what women AND men have become in this society for a number of reasons. We think it is an important dialog, indeed a vital one.
But I am very, very proud of the fact that we have developed a culture here with the insight and intelligence to know the difference between honest, constructive critique and bashing for the sake of bashing.
We seldom have a problem with that here, thanks a readership that I think is among the most sophisticated around. The charges of misogyny and woman hating leveled by places like SPLC and Huffpo are only a reflection of the intellectually challenged nature of the indoctrinated.
AVfM stands with Pierce and Steve and Factory all good MRA’s who eschew bigotry in any form.
Is it still bigotry if it’s true?
I personally don’t hate women. I certainly don’t trust them, but I’m far from hating anyone. That takes far too much effort.
Stereotypes are almost always based in truth though.
Most women, regardless of political affiliation, care more about the economy, jobs and the price of gas, than they do contraception.
But if you exist in the cloistered world between Manhattan and Malibu, our institutions of higher learning and political elites, you think it matters. And you’re under the false presumption that fomenting hysteria over “women’s issues” in this day and age, can still be used for political expediency.
What an insult to all women.
There’s nothing wrong with generalizing women, or men for that matter, as long as it’s accurate. For example, generally women are more selfish than men and men are more moral. This is obvious if you’re honest with yourself, and it’s also supported by research: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029265#s4
Stereotypes exist for a reason, generally. And the truth is what’s important, not political correctness. Ignoring the truth and catering to political correctness and the delicate sensibilities of women is what got us here in the first place.
Yes, stereotypes exist, and many of them contain at least some elements of truth. The point is, in my mind, what utility does the stereotype serve, even if true?
I frequently caution men about hypergamy, even though there are some exceptions to the rule. Understanding hypergamy and its prevalence is important information, especially for young men. And it certainly relies on stereotyping to some degree.
My concern is that there are sometimes those among us who can’t comprehend the difference between something instructive and helpful, and something that is just brandished like a club to beat groups of people over the head out of anger and bitterness.
I know each of those when I see them, and I am not fond at all of the latter, both because it is intellectually inferior, and because it only leads us to a destructive path.
Truth can only be as important as the motives of the person telling it, and like anything else it comes in degrees.
That is why people who come here to discuss hypergamy in a rational manner, with the INTENT to help others and promote general enlightenment are part of the solution, and those that would come just to vent about women being gold bricking bitches are just more of a tired old problem.
There is a difference, yes, but sometimes it is subtle. For example, if I say women are fickle and selfish, is this instructive, or just “bitterness”? It depends. Men used to realize that, yes, many women are fickle and selfish. They knew this. And so they reacted in kind. But men today seem to have this idea that men and women are exactly the same. It’s just not true. If every man today had the enlightenment that in general women are more fickle and more selfish than men, regardless of the WHY, then we wouldn’t have this problem anymore because men would stop trying to treat women the same as they do men, they’d stop projecting their own psychology onto women, and they’d start realizing that you must treat women differently than you do men. Not all women, but stereotypes exist as a starting point for interacting with an individual. If men fail to stereotype women, we honestly will not change anything significant. The stereotypes we used to have existed because they were at least partly true. If we don’t change how men behave with women, we will never succeed. And the only way to do that is to show them how, and be honest about what women are like.
There is a time and a place for it, yes. When some members of The Spearhead attacked Hestia for absolutely no reason, it pissed me off. They were stereotyping her when clearly she did not fit the stereotype. They were just being assholes. But when they say, or I say, that 99% of western women are shitty relationship material, it’s absolutely fine with me because it’s true, though we could argue on the percentage.
And here’s something I said on Reddit yesterday: “Beware women, they are more dangerous than a car accident.” It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but clearly there is plenty of truth to it. Men USED TO KNOW THIS. And women are even more dangerous today than ever in the western world, cohabitating with a woman is a dangerous enterprise, one which men need to know about. And that’s what I was referring to, cohabitation with women.
Unless we tell the truth about women, and yes, stereotype women, we won’t change squat, because we will lose the mind war. If men don’t change, the culture won’t change no matter what we do. That’s the real battle, is not just getting a few men to realize this stuff intellectually, but getting them to change the way they think about men and women, and to ingrain that behavior in the culture. The only way you do that is by telling the blunt honest truth, and yes, promoting accurate stereotypes as a starting point for interaction with people.
If I can’t say “women are fickle” without some white knight coming around and saying “NO IT’S PEOPLE WHO ARE FICKLE OMG MISOGYNY”, we lose, plain and simple. We will never get to a point where men and women are equally disposable, Paul, never. That’s a dream that cannot be. So we must look for a way not to treat men and women equally, but fairly. Lol, fair and balanced. And that means we’ll have stereotypes that won’t always apply to individuals, and there will be extreme differentiation in sex roles but not every individual will follow them.
Think on this. If we continue having families where both mom and dad are in the workplace and the kid is raised by daycare and the brainwashing educational system, nothing will improve. If we continue telling women that a career is just as if not more valuable than raising a family, how many families will we have? If we continue telling women it’s fine to have sex with a hundred men and then settle down with a guy when they’re 35, instead of encouraging them to settle down and raise a family earlier, then we’re doing the same shit all over again and expecting different results. It won’t work. We will continue to have women who can’t form pair bonds, who value material goods over family, who divorce on a whim, who ruin their children’s lives, who ruin their husband’s lives. Informing guys about hypergamy about men’s rights issues isn’t near enough. Men today are weak and docile and apologetic. Unless that changes, we’re kaput.
I am not saying it is an easy line to walk, I am just saying that we hold the responsibility to make a distinction where we see it.
I agree that it is folly to allow anyone to force us into making everything we say gender neutral, but it is also just as foolish to entertain semantic games every time someone wants to come into this forum and bash women.
I don’t pretend to have the wisdom to get it right every time, but I do have the integrity to do my best.
Hi Paul. Great Piece. I think there are lot of us in the MRM who are suffering now. It’s been a tough week for MRA’s. The death of Randall Shake, the smear campaign by SPLC, and of course the near tragedy we had the other night. I will pass on your words of encouragement to Mancoat, and do what I can for morale there. Thanks again.
Sincerely,
IJ
P.S. Any news about our friend who was in dire straits the night of your last show?
I’ve been reading through the articles of this site for a few days now, and I must say i’m impressed by the courage of the authors and the quality of the articles.
Unfortunately I must qualificate myself as a depressive man as of now.
I’m young and I always wanted to form a healthy family, but all my relationships ended because my girlfriends never respected me and played those sick mind games. That really affected my emotional state in the long run, if not for my parents that really love and support me, I would be in serious trouble too.
I’m not saying this in order to victimize myself, I know there are lots of men in much worse situations. I’m just saying that I woke up and I see now that feminism has ruined many women and men and I’m really happy to see people taking action.
Unfortunately, I can’t contribute finacially to your cause, but I wish to say thanks, and that you have my entire support as a man, that must count as something.
PS: I’m brazilian so please ignore if there’s any typing mistakes.
You write beautifully. Welcome Brother.
Thanks, I really enjoy english language.
Many of us here are “fathers in waiting,” searching for a woman with integrity. Some of us have been abused by dating partners or just the daily societal shame. A few of us have been “saved by family” also. I’ve living it too. There is so much wisdom on avfm and in the manosphere, and we can but only thank these brave fathers, husbands and current or former counselors for speaking out with guidance. You are but one of many.
Welcome.
Thanks, LJ.
I guess that most men are born with this inner wish to form and provide for a family that recognizes his effort and moral intellect.
The feminist society then works hard to erase these natural thoughts and wishes, and calculates your value by the number of women you are able to relate with plus your capacity to earn money.
At least that’s what I see…
If “by the number of women you are able to relate with” you mean “the number of women you are able to suspend reason to accommodate” then I see it too. ha
Exactly. Sadly they’re the majority…
I just wanted to say thank you for commenting, and for your words of support. We are pleased to have you join us.
Whitewolf,
I agree with other folk’s comments – you write beautiful English. (BTW – I’m an English Teacher).
You mention something which is very sad –
“I’m young and I always wanted to form a healthy family, but all my relationships ended because my girlfriends never respected me and played those sick mind games. That really affected my emotional state in the long run, if not for my parents that really love and support me, I would be in serious trouble too”.
To you and other young men who struggle with the idea of getting together with a woman in the feminist zeitgeist I don’t blame you for Going Your Own Way instead. Far better to be a happy bachelor than a husband enslaved within a feminist system. Take that from someone who has known both for himself.
Welcome to aVfM.
Thanks, Skeptic, that really means something for me, since I would love to work with english
. I played video games a lot and it inspired me to learn english, lol.
language(teaching, translating), though I still struggle a bit to understand the articles here
Yeah, we can’t keep looking for “the one”. It’s just waste of time and lots of frustration, as most women will begin to act in a “sick mind game” pattern sooner or later.
Some just wait until you lower your shield.
Feminism forces men to go the bachelor’s way to maintain their sanity…
Welcome brother. Just landed here myself a few months ago. I fell into a dark place with women somewhere back in college. Clinton was president at the time. So its been awhile. Anyway, this site and movement has put my mind back on track. I feel the courage and self respect returning. I feel the strength and support of these men involved in the MRM. Find your voice and you will find your strength. The strength of righteous and measured men is elemental in its force.
Thanks.
Yeah, I recently noticed that too, my self esteem raised after I discovered some brazilian masculinist groups and recently, this particular site(because of the activism).
The wise are few, if they weren’t there would not be such thing as wisdom, only common sense.
Bem-vindo, o Lobo Branco, o nosso irmão.
You wouldn’t expect it from someone with my handle, but my Portuguese is far, far worse than your English. (I have relatives in Paraná, but I’m Born In The USA.)
We know Brazil is going through difficult times for men, with “Senhora Getulia Vargas Roussieff” in command. The news I’ve heard really sucks – and the new policies sound as if they’re tailor-made to suck os brasileiros dry.
Hang in there, and boa sorte!
I’m another Brazilian guy, White Wolf. Brazil is really going in a direction that will make men regret their hardwiring to protect others and feel not so ellegible to the right of defending ourselves or be protected.
After our president woman say publicly brazilian men are too weak to have clear opinions (http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reinaldo/geral/dilma-acha-o-homem-brasileiro-muito-mulherzinha-interpreto-sua-misandria/), and that the 21st. century is “the woman’s” (http://noticias.r7.com/brasil/noticias/dilma-diz-que-o-seculo-21-e-o-seculo-das-mulheres-20120313.html), now the government financed houses for poor families, in case of divorce, will go to the woman (http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/nacional,imovel-do-minha-casa-minha-vida-ficara-com-a-mulher-em-caso-de-divorcio,845827,0.htm) – in USA, i guess the houses go to the woman already a long ago, right?
Dilma is the president only because of Lula, as we well know in Brazil. She is unethical in her gender discourse and gender politics. But that’s in human culture, this misandry.
Another example is, of course, health and media. President Lula had throat cancer little ago, and his state was used to advertise breast cancer awareness (google “feminismo fator Lula contra o câncer de mama”). In Brazil, not so diferently of other countries, men have 77% more cancer, and men’s is 85% more mortal (http://www2.inca.gov.br/wps/wcm/connect/agencianoticias/site/home/noticias/2009/homens_tem_mais_chances_desenvolver_cancer), according to the INCA.
Etc. (http://human-stupidity.com/awareness/retirement-age-brazil), etc.
Anyway, fighting prejudice against men takes time, a lot more time.
Welcome, White Wolf. You know there are more of us, and you may have seen “Direitos dos Homens, Direitos Masculinos” on FB.
Brasil!!!
“in USA, i guess the houses go to the woman already a long ago, right?”
You are correct sir, it started in england with the great Erin Pizzey. In the USA men are greater than 85% of the homeless.
Cool, mais um brasileiro por aqui
Nossa, eu não tava por dentro dessas cagadas da Dilma, que vagabunda!!
Anyway, thanks.
Regarding cancer, it’s not a surprise now the fact that the population of women is larger…
Unfortunately, men are too hypnotized by the pussy. Some may even discover that men are dying more but they would be too afraid of talking about it because of the personal attack that they would receive…
By FB you mean Fórum do Búfalo?
Brasil o caralho, por mim já tava fora daqui hahah
Abraço!
“One down…” “Misogynistic whiners..” then a following remark stating that that justifies their sadistic banter about their demise.
Paul, erase this if you want to I will respect it. But, I would love for one of them to say that to me, in my face in person. There I said it.
I am not erasing anything. You have healthy outrage, and we are not letting anyone force us to walk on eggshells. We stand on firm moral ground here.
The Huffington Post article does raise one good point. Why are only women included on register-her? I think that anti-male bigots like Futrelle, Kimmel and Schwyzer should merit a page.
It would also provide one more rebuttal to the accusations of misogyny. The site isn’t against women, it is against anti-male prejudice.
I have thought for sometime, that Futrelle and Kimmel and all the other “boy butchers” belong there as well.
It is a fair question. Allow me to explain. In the current system of governance the balance of power is divided sharply along sexual lines, in that the power of accusation rests in the hands of women, as long as the target is men.
The site is not set up to unfairly demonize women. The site is set up to point to the absolutely sexist application of law. This is something that covers the spectrum of social existence in the west. Women are victims, men are perpetrators. It is this man bad-woman good paradigm that we are fighting.
We often target the male ideologues here. In fact, I have written about many more male feminists than female. e.g. Kimmel, Kilmartin, Atherton-Zeaman, Futrelle, Goldstein, Connell, and several others actually.
Should we develop the resources to dedicate a website to male feminists (and the time to manage it) I would be all over it.
But the fact is that I never worry about false accusations from men. Even the SPLC pointing a finger at me and alleging I am everything under the sun does not carry with it 1/10th the destructive power of a false rape allegation by a woman, or most any other accusation by a woman.
And even if/when the 1st male entry on Reg-Her goes up, it’ll be Michael Moore, of course….No wait…we can’t put Moore up anywhere. Haven’t got a derrick.
Would John Deere be willing to make a contribution?
SPLC belongs on register-her for sure.
Thank you for this site and this article. It’s not always easy to stick up for yourself when alone and outnumbered.
I will keep my eyes open for the others.
This is just the beginning…
From the HuffPo article:
“This general mistrust of feminism, one that can be found throughout other popular MRM hotspots online (the subreddit /r/MensRights includes a thread in their information section entitled “brainwashing techniques of feminism”) is why, in the 21st century, it’s hard to take the movement seriously. Of note, both of these sites have recently been listed by Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups.”
We will see more and more attacks on the MRM, all now couched in the meme of all of us being a “hate” movement..dontchya know? The $PLC has LISTED the MRM as a HATE GROUP!
This is the standard tactic straight out of Lenin’s playbook…the old ‘repeat lies enough times and it becomes the truth,’ move. all while referencing an assumed authority that has already rendered it’s judgement, and the meme will become axiomatically accepted.
This is the entire point of the $PLC’s initial attacks.
In the same way feminists repeat the “$.70 to the male $1.00 wage gap” myth despite it being debunked with facts and legitimate research, it is still repeated as if it were undeniable truth.
We are all a “HATE GROUP.” It’s official now that the $PLC said so.
The MRM is gaining attraction and attention in the mainstream. Get ready for continued attempts to marginalize all issues and platforms we all discuss as nothing more than “hate group” raving.
“We are all a “HATE GROUP.”
I love it.
Thanks for the excerpt from the Huffpo article Keoni, I didn’t have time to read it.
“General mistrust of feminism?” haha. What with affirmative action, family courts, VAWA, and all the rest, and they don’t see that there’s anything to distrust? Unbelievable.
This is the mode of attack which has been adopted. The article by Tony Shepard in the Punch(online OZ) was along the same lines. The reasoning seems to be thus: Since feminist theory is like a house of cards built on shifting sand (feminists know this) we cannot indulge in logical debate (we might lose). So if we can paint them as a fringe hate movement which we urge people to ignore or fear we can win. The problem is people are waking up (abet slowly) and chinks are appearing in the feminist wall. MRA’s can only take credit for a very small part of this. Mostelyit is coming about because of feminist never ceasing demands. Many people believe reasonable equality has been achieved and just beginning to realise that continueing feminists demands are unreasonable and are aimed not at helping the average woman but an elete group of women/feminists at the expense of others. Perhaps in the long term a fatal mistake.
Yes. It’s been a huge title wave of bad news recently. But there will be a counter action. We live in a universe of complex duality, everything that happens is adjacent to it’s opposite. The SPLC and whatever other publicity we get is actually simply the breakdown of the matrix which is engulfed in revolution and inferno.
There is no hope of them stopping the MRM. In fact it seems all they are doing is pouring gasoline on their own self-immolation. Perhaps Thomas Ball is the talismanic resonnance of this pehnomenon?
In my opinion, this is a revolution of the mind. A chage in human consciousness, out of the darkeness of the feminin animal consciousnes, into a higher angelic masculine consciousness.
The matrix is already breached, you can live outside the paradigm, and yet particpate in it fully. It doesn’t matter how many drones they fly, how many passwords they make you memorize, how many rights they rob from us. They cannot stop this shift.
A great big surprise is about to happen I predict. Not only is this month very special for transformation, but also this year, and in a few months somthing is going to cause the inferior people to loose their power.
Revolutions are always in the hands of the few…
We are invicible. Never give up. If you need to kill yourself. Just eat a handfull of dried psilocybin mushrooms. After you come through that, you’ll see how cearly that nothing in life is worth dying for.
I agree with most of your statement, as well as your mythopoetic imagery. I often I remind myself we are still going through the Kali Yuga.
However, I think it’s horribly irresponsible to suggest that someone take entheogens while feeling suicidal. That kind of thing makes people jump off balconies, or worse.
I’m an advocate for wise and judicious use of entheogens, in the proper setting, with experienced supervision.
I think it’s better to kill your ego than kill yourself.
Suicide I think is just the ego wanting to die.
So if your really about to jump…
Take a large does of mushrooms instead.
Most likely the desire to die will die along with your ego annihilation.
True people have killed themselves on entheogens, but at least it’s not guaranteed.
Most of the time people come down in earnest love to be alive and thankful they’re not tripping anymore, in realization that they did not in fact die.
That is if you take a big enough dose. 5 dried grams or so… that way you won’t even be able to pick yourself off the floor, much less pull a trigger…
If your going to blow your brains out, might as well right?
“Yes. It’s been a huge title wave of bad news recently.”
SPLC’s recognition is the best news in months. This means progress.
The biggest fear feminists have is that they’ll someday have to acknowledge MRM, and therefore validate our existence as meaningful, beyond a “radical fringe group of angry white men”.
They’re losing control of the podium, and the narrative and they’re becoming panic stricken. Manboobz is OUR political tool, our useful idiot.
I love Keyster. He “gets” it. 100%
I have no problem being part of a “hate group” if that group hates suicide, injustice, eugenics, fascism, police states and slavery. I’m even more down for the cause if said group fights to end such misery.
I was unaware of what happened with Factory until a day or so after the fact, but I’m begging anyone who might be thinking of taking their lives to find some shred of what once made them happy and hang onto it. We all have the potential to help and inspire each other and I think that is why a lot of us keep coming back here. It may be all some of us have but at least it is something.
Turn on your favorite song, re-read your favorite book…do something…anything to pull yourself out of that horrific state, if even momentarily; long enough to call or write someone for help. I’ve been where you are and I suspect many others here have as well. Just ask for help. Don’t think of us as “strangers”.
I know it is so hard to get grown men to ask for help, but damn…you have to let go of some pride if it saves your life. And I guarantee no one in this movement would think you to be weak or pathetic if you asked for an ear, a friend or whatever else you may need. If you ask me for resources that I don’t have, I’ll help you find someone who does have them. I’m sure anyone else here would do the same. Click on our names; find our contact info and JUST ASK.
People could have called the men that banded together to become the founding fathers of this country…a hate group.
According to Post-modern deconstruction they were.
How can a gathering of Euro-centric Christian white males possibly be fair to women, minorities and other “vulnerable” groups?
We are the lucky ones. I really believe that. We see things as they really are. If there is a god in heaven, then they are the ones going to hell. When you understand the relationship between your personality, the choices you make and your culture, you understand how this god-stuff would work. Whether you’re a christian, buddhist, hindu, muslim, or just a scientist who truly understands how life works
it is this connection between personality and culture that establishes your destiny, your next karma, your heaven or hell. Good luck to the suckers of the mainstream… they’ll need it.
I know that things can get pretty hard to take for us sometimes, but the longer we hang in there, the more of life’s lesson that sinks in. We need to absorb this lesson, and not let it overwhelm us.
I speak as an atheist (with just a sprinkling of buddhist influences). NAAALT.
Great piece bringing readers back to the human element so often forgotten in the feminist rush to ever greater power.
What I’m hearing from that article -comes through loud and clear- is that feminism and it’s movement is becoming less effective due to the growing effectiveness of the men’s movement.
The undercurrent of the Huffington article is 1. the MRM is becoming surprisingly effective, and 2. that effectiveness now means feminists really want to work with MRAs, not as our dictators as in the past, but as our companions and team mates.
Feminists prove to be disturbingly protean in the presence of influence.
Yep I have to admit it , I am a hater
I hate the way men are treated with contempt in our society,
I hate the attempts to silence us when we voice our legitimate concerns
I hate that we are presumed guilty till we can prove our innocence
I hate that male lives are considered disposable and female lives sacrosanct
I hate the way that all men are painted as violent and abusive, when most are careing and nuturing
I hate that our sons are disadvantaged in education, so the our daughters can be advantaged
I hate that many our of children are growing up without their fathers involvement in their lives.
I hate that desperation sees men take there own lives 3-4 times more often then women
I hate that mens health is considered less important then women’s health and receives significantly less funding
I hate all these things and more, and by hating them I seek to change them,
You know since becoming vocal in my own community around these issues, I have recieved overwhelming support from persons known and unknown to me. They say good on you Greg, we admire you for speaking up, we know the truth in what you are saying.
You see men are part of communities, and their family and friends and aquaintainces can see what is happening to many of them,the injustices involved, the impact of it on everyone in the communities lives.
So I will keep hating these things till they change and it is no longer necessary to hate any more, and I don’t care how those opposed to equality want to label or treat me because I know that they are the morally corrupt ones, not I, and most average decent members of the community know it as well.
I’m a lover. I just love being right. Every word they utter and every breath they take mulitiplies their stupidity.
Off-topic: JtO and GirlWritesWhat are going to be on AVfM Radio together!
The video is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKt-deoboLI
Made my day!! Radio Romance for the MRM can’t wait!
Awesome!
Damn, didn’t turn out to be the smut, filth and depravity I was hoping for……..but a close second.
GWW has a huge amount of support from women that ‘gets it’ on Youtube. Maybe this will turn out to be another turning point. The impact of women publicly speaking out against misandry can not be underestimated.
This is off topic but…. would someone please remind these women, just who was it that started this gender war?
Well Mr. Elam, it looks like the men are indeed showing up.
Oh what a tangled web they weave.
Paul, thanks for putting together a post about MRM’s that is truly representative of why we are here.
I would like to add to your comment on how you received emails and posts here from MRMs’ in all corners of your country. You also received some from around the world. Indeed, you received mine and I am tucked away in a far flung corner of Australia in a little town.
What could I do to help Factory?
Nothing. But I could do what most have done, which is to give my support, prayers and hopes for not only Factory’s aid and survival, but for that of all us who labour under the heavy burden of hatred that is directed toward us.
Thank you again for the fine work you do here and I would especially like to acknowledge the female members of this forum, who have the maturity, charity and with great finesse, are here to stand along side broken men, because they see injustice and wish to try and help.
God bless them and all of you!
Shrek
I had no idea, went MGTOW for awhile and somehow missed hearing about Factory’s crisis.
Brother, if you’re reading this; poverty is an illusion, it doesn’t mean you have no life, it just means you have to be more creative. People with lots of money are often, utterly miserable s.o.b.’s, because they realize that the money isn’t solving their personal problems at all; in fact it often amplifies them.
You sacrificed for the cause, but most of what you gave up,(material accoutrements), were “smoke and mirrors”, anyway. You’re dealing with reality, most “comfortable”, people, never do. That internal sense of futility is natural when one is dealing with hard realities that are mocked by the indoctrinated, bigoted and ignorant.
On some level, you’ve been letting the feminist attacks and the intimidation tactics of state and vested interests, get past your personal boundaries. It’s understandable, I’ve experienced it too and I have rather severe depression and anxiety. However, I’ve learned something recently that may help you too. That is; the realization, that how deep you will be affected by the actions of others or your own thoughts, is dependent on your own personal boundaries. Or, better said the antagonism of others is something you can’t control, so if you let it have meaning in your life then you cause yourself to suffer. The suffering wears you down and leads to despondency, (feeling futile).
You don’t have to let the extraneous nonsense of fools bring stress upon your mind and emotions, divide life into what you can influence and control in your life and deal with that only. Study strategy and philosophy and realize, that you really can control your state of mind in a healthy way, by dismissing what you can’t control and then getting really cunning and imaginative in comprehending and using what you can control.
Don’t carry burdens for fools, you can see the truth for what it is, there are people with lots of money and status, who never will. Choose your mind brother! Act against the entrenched bigots, but that doesn’t mean you must internalize their dialectic’s in any way. You can actually rage against them without letting it become personal, as weird as that may sound.
I missed the original article about Factory’s troubles too, but I read it last night.
I posted a comment in a thread a couple of weeks ago saying that MRAs need to get beyond the net, and turn our internet relationships into real face to face ones. We need to replace the support structures that have been removed by feminism’s destruction of the family and monopolization of nearly all sources of help, for women only.
The outpouring of concern for Factory’s situation, and what may have led to this, is great, but we need to offer practical assistance. We may not have detailed information of what the worst of his troubles are, but he gave clues in his letter to Paul. He mentions being sick of the impoverishment for one thing. I for one, and I’ll bet, most others, have no idea at all, what his situation is, or how bad. But it’s obviously a major contributing factor in him arriving at this point.
I think we should be finding out……what does he need. What is the situation, and what can we do to prop him up and shield him from the worst of it.
Has he become homeless? Is he literally starving? Or is just such a struggle to keep body and soul together and his stomach full, and nothing left for some joy in life that he’s decided it’s not worth it? Is he swimming in bills he can’t pay, child support obligations, is he facing jail for defaulting?
We can do better than just offer moral support. Who here, does he talk to privately, via email, phone, or in person? See if you can get him to lay the cards on the table, it doesn’t have to be public out here in the open, Paul has all our email addys, lets work something out to offer some real help to the guy.
“I posted a comment in a thread a couple of weeks ago saying that MRAs need to get beyond the net, and turn our internet relationships into real face to face ones.”
Completely agree Stu, but sadly that is impossible for many MRAs. We are only the minority and we are spread very thin indeed. Not only that, we are spread thin around the world.
And as has been pointed out often, the vast majority of us have budgets that run on the smell of an oily rag. We are mostly broke, which is due to the insatiable hunger of a greedy vindictive ex wife, who continues to bleed us and also continues to force us into courts, because she has come up with yet another lie and false allegation.
If only we could get together in numbers, plus also fill our ranks with women who have not swallowed the feminist vomit (scarce as hen’s teeth) we would have stopped this evil a very long time ago.
But, I am not a negative man who gives up so easily. Let’s make the effort to form face to face support groups and start making a lot of noise in our regions.
Agreed, we need to re-establish the respectability of male fraternity; TDOM wrote a good article about it:http://thedamnedoldeman.com/?p=457, so that men can maintain the ability to stand together on personal and political, issues facing us. Otherwise, we tend to drift into our own personal spheres; as men are more individualistic naturally. Unfortunately many of us men just don’t stay connected as easily as women do and it’s constantly used against us socially, as well.
Men have to remember whatever it was, that we used to realize in the past. About being perpetually stuck between the, biology motivated, and almost intrinsic influence on society, of high powered, fellow males and the collective feminines, near monopoly, on everything social. We are constantly acted upon negatively, by both and we need some cohesion.
The attacks on the MRM are a sign. They are a sign that we are being noticed. They are a sign that we are gaining momentum. They are a sign that we will win.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win” -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
The MRM has entered the third stage. The normal shaming tactics and name calling that the feminists use only work for so long, so now they are trying to fight us.
Soon, we will win against them.
“There are a lot of desperate and damaged men in this movement; men who have been taken to hell and back by a system that started throwing them overboard 50 years ago; men who have not seen their beloved children in years, men living in squalor, working in servitude to a system that owns them like chattel; men who have been destroyed by evil, outrageous lies – taken as gospel by authorities who just don’t give a damn about truth or justice.”
When I was in the maw of the meat-grinder I brought my attorney before the senior partner of the firm as I felt I wasn’t being adequately represented. He flat out stated that it isn’t about fairness, the truth or justice – it is just the way it is. That’s when I pretty much gave up on ‘the system’ and will never go back. It is an orchestrated racket that is worse than organized crime – you’d be better off dealing with the mob than the kangaroo family kourts, at least they’ll just kill you and be done with it.
These people have no idea what they are picking a fight with.
The large numbers of men withdrawing from society should be a warning to them, not an invitation to rush down and pile on them for daring to talk.
When the seas abate and the bay that was once full is fast emptying, only the fools rush down to shout at the tide. The smart ones are running for their lives in the other direction.
Take heed feminist deniers. You seem to be clueless about what’s coming.
Well if Kyle is the best that the Huffy Post has to offer this will be a fight they just cannot win. And remember this is a rather major player in the MSM.
Kyle’s bio there states:
“Kyle Bachan is a reporter from Toronto, Ontario. He currently writes for Torontoist, Gender Across Borders, and Ms. magazine.”
The comments display greater intellect and gives me hope that we are getting in their head.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.
A “reporter”.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
Sorry I reverted to childhood for a second there.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
Sorry again.
am i correct in assuming the idiots at the huffington post are beginning to see the mrm as a bit of a threat now?
I skimmed through the article, but things really start to get fun once you hit the comments. Put a smile on my face to hear men and women, even the occasional self proclaimed feminists call BS on this article and what it represents.
You touch on it at the beginning and I gotta agree that the SPLC really screwed the pooch merely by mentioning men’s rights. And thanks to the aid from our friends at Huffpo, the cat is officially out of the bag and there’s no chance of getting it back in.
As hateful and arguably evil as these sites are, I think it’s only fair that we thank them properly for helping to get us out into the mainstream. I can think of no greater insult to one’s enemy than to thank them for the attack.
We better really watch out, if the msm smear campaign continues, someone might want to put Paul and JTO and GWW on a TV show, or do a doco on the MRM or something. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than that…….could you?
Heck, they might even publish a rebuttal by Paul.
……….nawwww. That would take truth and courage which are not welcome elements at Huff.
They would only do a TV interview to FOSU (fuck our stuff up) at this particular junction of the staus quo. But the time is ominously near -maybe only a year away- when prominent MRAs will be interviewed on TV in a legitimizing manner – at least thats my guess based on the positive signs for men’s issues worldwide.
I tend to agree with you about that Tawil.
With Men’s RIghts Organizations in many countries now I envisage a quickening of the MRA memes becoming ‘common sense’. You mentioned prominent MRAs being interviewed on TV. I’d relish seeing prominent MRAs being interviewed on TV.
There’s also another group of folks I view who are equally as valuable to the MRA cause as those more prominent too. They may not recognize themselves as MRA, but their message definitely is MRA all the same.
A sort of class that is not yet conscious of being a class.
They spread the MRA meme at all different levels of the societies they operate in (including internationally due to the internet) these days. I think it’s important to bear this in mind as recently I had to drop out of an MRA forum to avoid burnout. I recently revisited and found many posters had ‘replaced’ me. They didn’t call themselves MRA, but they sure were whistling the same tune. Sometimes it’s necessary to have faith that you’ve reached enough folks such that when you step back for a much needed respite in order to be refreshed and ready for another surge, others will in the meantime step in to hold the breach, learning as they go and becoming more experienced skillful MRA in the process. Our ‘army’ thus grows, and personally I’m more optimistic than ever before. I don’t think that’s PollyAnna-ish either. The fact that such desperate attacks are being mounted on aVfM is yet another sign the opposition are shitting themselves with fear.
It seems like ages ago, that some English bloke named Andy Cadman contacted me to inquire for “woman-haters” to be interviewed on some trash TV show in the UK.
I can think of no greater insult to one’s enemy than to thank them for the attack.
Thumbs up icon!!!!
A few days ago, my niece expressed concern. She hears me listening to the radio shows and JtO’s videos, and she’s afraid it’s just “making things worse.”
“Are you going to turn into a woman-hater?’ she asked.
I tried to assure her I don’t hate woman. I hate the attitudes that feminism has instilled in them and the actions they cause. I knew things were out of balance between men and women even before I knew there was a Men’s Rights Movement. This fellow I met on the Writer’s Digest message boards (What was his name? Paul something – or – other) helped confirm and clarify things. No, things haven’t gotten worse. They’ve just gotten better. But I do thank my niece for her concern. She’s married to a wonderful man and they do love each other very much.
By the way Huffpo, we HAVE grown some. Isn’t it obvious?
Left at HuffPo just now:
["Some of these are very reasonable requests" - spoken like one in the catbird seat or on the winning team.
"Right-wingers" would party hearty if only PP would quit taking taxpayer-subsidies. They're a profitable business (million$ per year). What happened to no-corporate-welfare?
The MRM from the 70's? Come on. Today's movement is NOT your "grandfather's MRM." Back then men were mostly distracted and then annoyed by all the bra-less women bouncing around. But today, just as the Women's Movement has gone beyond jiggling body parts, the MRM has also evolved. Why would they even pay lip-service to "the actual equality goals of feminism" when Feminists themselves left that in the dust of the 70's?
"General mistrust of feminism" by the MRM is a DISGUST at specific people and their writings, actions, comment-threads on feminist websites, etc. It's not bigotry when it's based upon countless happenstances.
The pendulum has swung so far towards Women in our society - the Family Courts and medical research (brea$t cancer!) just to name two - that I suspect the MRM will have its proverbial hands full for some time simply trying to reveal those and other biases-favoring-women to misinformed males out there. So I'd say don't look for that movement to crusade for specific Women's Issues. No problemo, though, cuz the majority of media outlets, not to mention the majority of politicos, will continue to rush to the aid of Women regardless their cause du jour.]
I don’t know what I could do for a man in trouble, though it’s odd that I was thinking today about these sorts of things.
I just so admire the spirit and boldness – not to mention the articulateness (is that even a word) of all the writers and commentators here.
I just have to trust in Reason and that when new folks alight (brought here BY the “hate” of others) and READ the things here they will see that it is factual – and yes, passionate, but that’s good – not Hate-filled. Sigh.
Factory,
I want you to know you make a difference. You made a difference to my life even though we have never met. I took the red pill and wandered alone in this misandric world, until I ran across one of your videos on You Tube. It was my first introduction to the MRM. You helped me find my brothers in arms. I’m glad to hear you have reached out to our MRM family. If I can return the favor in some way, let me know.
Pat
Paul, I hope you have a cached version of this site. Just in case the government gets big and self narcissistic and decides to shut down your site or something.
You may need to think of a wiki-links kind of format hehe. Shit could go down… These people think they are the shit… heh no pun intended.
Thank you for your words of encouragement, Paul.
I don’t know much about this, and are therefore not able to say anything about how much good it will do, but has anyone ever tried or considered trying to report the american government to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights of the UN on these issues?
If a case could be made, I’m sure there’s a long list of MRA’s in other countries that would follow through.
If you’re reading this Dan, I hope that you realise that you are a valued soul among us. Your searing honesty and clear-eyed perception has been a gift to those of us familiar with your work. It must be a burden to carry around sometimes. It took a lot of guts to reach out as you did. Apart from giving you the help you needed to move beyond your bleakest point, it also proved that the support we all seek and provide here is genuine and profound.
I’m sure I speak for everyone in thanking Dr Elam for reacting swiftly and effectively to get genuine assistance to our brother when he needed it. One of the most compelling aspects about this site has always been the fact that you actually give a shit about the people here: a man of word and deed.
My closest friend is currently going through a divorce (I won’t call it ‘bad’ as that would be tautologous). I’ll never forget the sadness in his voice when he told me that I was the only person with whom he discussed it. Not even his parents (nice, church-going salt-of-the-earth types) want to hear about it. That’s just pathetic.
I used to think that people either didn’t notice, much less care, about male pain. I still do – but I have come to realise that people also fear it. Surely the world would collapse around our ears if men ever put aside the burdens of the world long enough to salve their own suffering.
I feel as close to Dan as I do to my mate in Sydney. Both of these men exist in a world that is conditioned to shun them when they are in pain – a feminist run world that spins the myth of male invulnerability harder than anyone. Both men deserve better. We all do.
So, fellow haters, remember that reaching out to our brothers in need is activism at its most fundamental. Get well, Dan.
Dan has inspired so many of us with his work. I hope he can take some time out and get things in perspective.
The Red Pill fight entails a constant fraying of nerve endings, and I have no idea how MRM frontrunners like Dan can stand it. A short holiday in the comfortable numbness of Blue Pill land perhaps?
Here’s to you Dan. Be well buddy.
“A short holiday in the comfortable numbness of Blue Pill land perhaps?”
Much better – a long holiday in the comforts of GYOWville.
Dan, we love ya and we want you to live well and be happy! Take care of yourself, man. We’ll be here for you, when you’re ready for us.
Absolutely it is worth writing about. Factory, I hope you are reading this at the moment. Mate, just hang in there, I know that seems like a throw away line. And you have heard it all before. I just want to tell you, I have been where you are now Factory, and I don’t mean someone that you talk to that gives lip service to the hardship you are experiencing, I promise you I have been there. I imagine that you are feeling that even if you have close friends, it seems that you are very much alone. The answer to that is, yes you are. As great as your friends and family may be, they cannot feel your pain, and when your pain goes on for years, no-one understands. It is extremely challenging, because you feel alone, and you are. Believie me, I do understand, I have been there. Please save your life Factory, you are an important person full stop, and a great MRA to boot. But get yourself right first. PS. I found that the Anti Depressant drugs out there now are excellent, they worked for me
Oh, and by the way Factory, as you know, no-one on this site talks crap, no lip service here, just real people, real servants to the just cause of righting the wrongs done to men and boys. As I said try Anti -Depressants, They can work for you mate, and are non non addictive.
Stay safe mate.
At the risk of being decreed a “kook”, I respectfully suggest before taking pharmacueticals you try the following first:
1) Regular exercise. 2) Improve general nutrition. Sugar and processed grains are depressants, as is alcohol.3) Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) they are teaching this to children in public schools 4)supplement with omega 3 (Krill oil) 5) sun exposure vital to your mental health. Suicide rates are higher in less sunny places. Good quality vitimin d3 in winter months.
You will of course want to research this on your own to find out the whys and where fors of treating depression without pharmacueticals.
*slams head against desk
As someone who endured a false rape accusation, lived through a son going to jail as an innocent person, and the subsequent years of navigating the justice system trying to keep a defiant son from playing into the hands of his persecutors I can say I’ve had more than a passing aquaintance with depression and suicidal thoughts.
I tried anti depressants, and if copious weight gain, losing your sex drive and being too emotionally dead to care is the “cure” then that’s one way to go.
I managed to keep my marriage and my family together, and there aren’t too many people who can say that in the BEST of circumstances these days. I attribute it directly to finding a healthier alternative. What sort of person would I be to keep quiet about that?
The only control any of us have is not over others but in our reactions to others.
These are undoubtedly bad times, but there is empowerment in building strength mentally, physically and spiritually.
I see you aren’t attacking yoga or meditation as “kooky”, although I well remember when first introduced those things were very much derided as “kooky” by the old fogies.
If you have tried this route, Alex, and found it to be “kooky” and entirely without merit, you are within your right to speak up and say unequivocally it should never be mentioned or considered. If it appeared I’m trying to promote a product or make a buck I could understand your taking such umbrage. Since I’m not, I fail to understand your hostility.
I wish I could thank the people who “annoyed” me in the past by having the nerve to speak about it. An evening’s google search could save someone’s life. What sort of person would I be not to say it saved mine?
Several here have said pharmecuticals worked for them. A lot of main stream literature says pychotropic drugs don’t work for a lot of people. The warning label should scare the hell out of anyone.
If only “mainstream” is allowed to be suggested here, I stand corrected, apologize to one and all and wish you the best. I mean that sincerely.
I own up to personal bias against the Rockefeller Foundation establishing both Feminism AND modern Pharma/Medical schools and practice.
No wonder “our” government is trying to outlaw natural foods,alternative medicine and vitamins.
I have never made a statement to the veracity of the theories that you promote , so there’s no need to defend them to me.
All I’m saying is that advertising these non-mainstream topics which are unrelated to men’s rights serves no practical purpose. That’s all.
I don’t care whether these theories are true or not.
I haven’t defended anything and I haven’t advertised anything.
I suggested-tongue in cheek – that men are probably better off not being the main focus of medical care, knowing how women are over medicated and subject to unnecessary surgeries.
Women’s rights blog aren’t shy with complaints about medical practices, but blame it on “patriarchy” without attacking each other as “kooks”.
I can understand your vitriol if I had made false statements, but that’s not what I did.
Combatting lies with truth is the most admirable feature of the men’s rights movement – not maintaining the mainstream status quo herd think.
I am with OneHundredPercentCotton on this, because I’ve “been there and done that.”
We cannot control our circumstances, but we can manage our inner response to those circumstances – and thereby we can reduce and repair the “inner damage” instead of just drugging ourselves so we don’t notice it.
You can hire some help, but the best help will be only a guide; you still have to dig it all out for yourself. The “Enchirodon” of Epictetus might be a good place to start, and it’s free for download from a number of places on the Web.
Can I please ask you to stop mis-representing me? I went out of my way to make it clear I’m not attacking neither you, nor the theories, people and techniques that you promote… nor did I say any of a dozen things you say I said or did.
My very simple question was “even if every single one of these theories and techniques were true”, is it politically useful to advertise them on here. That’s all I asked, and I said none of the dozen things you accused me of.
I will not be dragged into a fight or a debate, because I do not wish to fight you.
If comments about atheism, partisan politics and gender generalizations are not considered “advertising” or off-putting to random passers-by, surely criticising the Medical Industry isn’t either.
My comments were offered as a genuine desire to help and nothing more. Your claim of “advertising” is disingenuous.
-> Both parties are mainstream.
-> Both atheism and religion are mainstream.
-> Discussions on each are only in the context of gender
-> EFT, NLP, Crystals, Alex Jones, Dr. Mercola and chakra-tapping are not mainstream, and have nothing to do with gender
-> A gender-specific critique of medicine (male funding vs. female funding) is relevant.
-> The gobbament is coming to steal alex jones’ supah secret organic vitamins has nothing to do with gender
If you genuinely believe you have super-secret knowledge to impart that will help your fellow man, why not ask them for an email and assist them privately?
I don’t see how going on 10-page rants about the gobbament stealing our vitamins and doctors being evil ignorant fools is a public discussion on an MRA site or how that is part of genuinely helping a fellow man.
Most of “mainstream” “snides” at the suggestion we no longer have The Greatest Justice System In The World, as well – they believe it right up until the day they are caught up in it.
I have no clue who Alex Jones is and don’t appreciate your presumption. I sign petitions at Whole Foods which is at least as “mainstream” as atheism.
Your little “10 page rant” is more likely to put off “mainstream” viewers.
I am here as one of those “selfish women” trying to stop this eveeel “gobbament” from stealing the rights, liberties and pursuit of happiness any further from MY SONS. I got the “supah secret” crystal vision unless something signifigant is done, my kid is going to get screwed BIG time.
Geese Dan I want you back in your chair here.
It’s not just myself, look at the comments on this thread alone.
We know you hurt a hell of a lot and we do not like this one bit. You are our brother and so we hurt too.
I’ll be looking out for your return and have been the one chosen to artily paint the banner overhead saying quite simply:
“Welcome back our Dan.”
Good article, paul
I was astonished to hear the news about a fine man such as Factory (Dan)
I’ve always admired the fine work that he does and he’s influenced me in a positive and moral way. Obviously the same can’t be said of the feminist parasites that gorge on the carcass of vulnerable males.
Some of Dan’s fine work (i.e. Menz Magazine) can be found here.
http://menzmagazine.blogspot.com/
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Regular exercise, a healthy diet and keeping the booze to a minimum, absolutely, I could not agree more. These things are essential. It is the ‘healthy body healthy mind’ thing, and I certainly believe in it. I am definitely not the sort of person that likes to throw down pills for the treatment of every little complaint.
My suggestion for Anti Depressants comes from my own experience.
Having lost my 6 year old daughter to her mother, who moved 400 km away to a different State, my emotional pain was intense. I used exercise as a way of reducing my emotional pain. I would go out and do a 10 km run after work, and 5 minutes after the run I could not even remember doing it.
Such was the emotional “fog” that I was living in.
I found after three years of this, my life cycle was resembling a stock market graph that is constantly falling. There are flat periods and even small peaks, but the overriding trend is downwards. I was constantly trying to dig myself out of an emotional hole.
Eventually I went to my doctor and he prescribed the AD’s. There are various different types these days, none of which are addictive I believe. Certainly not the ones I used.
They did not ease my pain, nor solve my problem. What they did do was help to lift the emotional fog that had engulfed me, allowing me to cope far better with my situation.
They did not make me emotionally dead, far from it, just helped me deal with a situation that I have no control over far better.
As for EFT, I know nothing of it, so I wont comment.
What I will say is whatever helps you cope, stay safe, and deal with your emotional distress, do it.
Psychology researchers Irving Kirsch and Guy Sapirstein of the University of Connecticut, saw—as everyone else had—that patients did improve, often substantially, on SSRIs, tricyclics, and even MAO inhibitors, a class of antidepressants that dates from the 1950s. This improvement, demonstrated in scores of clinical trials, is the basis for the ubiquitous claim that antidepressants work. But when Kirsch compared the improvement in patients taking the drugs with the improvement in those taking dummy pills—clinical trials typically compare an experimental drug with a placebo—he saw that the difference was minuscule. Patients on a placebo improved about 75 percent as much as those on drugs. Put another way, three quarters of the benefit from antidepressants seems to be a placebo effect. “We wondered, what’s going on?” recalls Kirsch, who is now at the University of Hull in England. “These are supposed to be wonder drugs and have huge effects.”
The study’s impact? The number of Americans taking antidepressants doubled in a decade, from 13.3 million in 1996 to 27 million in 2005.
-The Daily Beast (quoting a Newsweek article)
I don’t quite get that. Why would the result of a study that casts doubts over the effectiveness of a particular series of drugs have the result of doubling their usage over 10 years.
Anyway, I had what you could term separation anxiety and severe emotional stress, which manifested itself into depression. The AD’s worked for me, doesn’t happen right away, takes about a month to kick in, and for about two weeks after that the feeling is indescribable. The fog lifts slowly, but you are not sure what is happening. I went on them as a last resort, and they definitely helped save me.
In the ’70′s woman’s magazines began sounding the alarm about hysterectomies and C sections becoming the #1 most unnecessary surgery. That was the first time I’d heard the term “unnecessary surgery”.
All these years later, those are both still the #1 unnecessary surgeries (along with a heart procedure)having more than doubled since that time. 1/3 of the American female population have willingly submitted to castration by the time they are 60, and fully half by the time they are 70 years old – 90% of it for benign reasons.
Why this goes on defies logic, at least for me.
Anti depressants were actually developed to relieve stress. Stress isn’t depression, which is why it only works for some. I worked in a High School health office for many years, dispensing meds and monitoring kids on meds. The “hope in a bottle” thing wears you down after awhile.
Good article Paul! The SPLC listing the MRM as a hate movement will only bring more light and people to our cause. The basic tenant of any publicity is good publicity is quite applicable in this situation. The feminists bringing out their heavy artillery says everything. They are past being concerned that the MRM is a threat to their utopian ideals, they are now getting scared that the MRM has organized enough to influence legislation. They are in fear of men asserting their basic rights as men and to be treated equally under the law.
There is a way all of us can protest actively. It’s called “Crash the System”. Simply put, if you get a ticket, parking infraction, ANY legal infraction of any kind: DEMAND a jury trial. DEMAND your 6th Amendment rights! The judiciary in the USA is set up to compel guilty verdicts without trial, especially against men. If enough men demand their rights under the constitution, the system would crash under it’s own bloated weight.
The judicial system needs to crash in order for it to be reformed. How just is it when a college kid gets 5 years for possession of a couple ounces of pot while a woman who murders her husband with a shotgun while he is sleeping gets set free?
The feminists are running scared because the MRM movement is finally beginning to gell.
See a misandry based advertisement? Raise Hell about it. See women assaulting men humor in the media? Raise Hell about it.
This is the garbage men are fed on a daily basis:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304459804577283841891275230.html
Most men won’t look out for the interests of other men or for justice…… Heck, most of ‘em won’t even look out for their own interests……too busy watching other (grown) men play “games”.
I’m running out of ways to say thanks to you mr. Elam and to all of the others who work so hard and care so much at AVFM.
Where would this poor guy be right now, were it not for all of you?
I don’t know him from Adam and it doesn’t really matter, either.
Whenever you at AVFM come together to prevent another Thomas Ball ending, we all win. You have proved again and again that “Yes we can!”
Kudos to you sir, as well as to everyone else here that cared enough to convince Factory to keep himself around, hopefully for many years to come.
God bless you all!!!