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A will to do harm

What does the ongoing imputation of malice tell us?
What does the claim of an ambient threat of violence tell us?

For anyone with over a week’s experience of writing from a perspective of male human rights, accusations of bad intention will be familiar. It has always been the case that commentary oppositional to the MRM, rather than addressing the substance of any particular article, focuses almost exclusively on characterizations of motive, hatred, misogyny, and poor sandwich making skills.

In single occurrence, accusations of bad intent usually tell us either we’re doing something, or have done something, objectionable. And in such cases, we’re presented with an opportunity to apologize and to re-evaluate our view or behavior. Or, the imputation of malice might signal a misunderstanding of statement, intent, or behavior by those who provide us such alerts of our perceived bad behavior. In these cases, a mistaken accusation provides opportunities to clarify intention or statement.

But what does the repetition and endless reiteration of imputation of malice tell us. Having weathered what so far appears to be a non-ending torrent of such accusation, and having done the early and repeated self examination necessary for honest self awareness, a few answers present themselves.

The first possibility for an individual or a group weathering an ongoing torrent of accusation, even after repeated self examination and attempts to clarify a seeming miscommunication, is that in spite of best efforts at clarity and benign intention, we really are malevolent. However, if this is the case, it indicates an inability to trust one’s own mind. But dementia isn’t a problem which can be solved by a good hard think. In fact, this is a problem which if it exists, may only be addressable by outside intervention. I have sufficient trust in my friends and colleagues that obvious dementia on my part would be pointed out to me, by them. Additionally, I retain, as do other bloggers and commentators who share my views, the ability to feed myself, pay my bills on time, and engage in a normal social life outside the confines of my small padded cell here.

So, the dementia hypothesis is discarded.

Another possibility is that the apparently endless narrative of imputed malice, accusations of a hatred of women, promotion of violence, “get back to the kitchen” patriarchy in the cartoonish conception of Leave It To Beaver are the products of an infantile mentality. For adults with a nuanced understanding of the world, recognition of the simplistic, black and white characterizations of malice cant be avoided.
“You just hate women”, tossed out as a standard response to a reasoned argument for the universality of human rights and the necessary consideration of men as humans, is increasingly obvious as shrill panic from a camp lacking a leg to stand on.

But is it really an infantile, childishly superficial understanding of reality that motivates the continued imputation of malice? From some whose rhetoric is almost purely repetition of villanizing buzz words this might be the case, but “all my opponents are mental toddlers” is not much better as an argument than “all men are violent rape-machines”. They are both simple assertions of ill-intention, without much explanatory power, and depend on only a superficial, and tissue-thin understanding of human motivation.

So if not everyone participating in the near constant imputation of malice against those arguing for human rights for men and boys are not simply intellectual toddlers, what is actually behind this ongoing narrative of accused ill-intention.

How about projection? This is a psychological defence mechanism whereby a person subconsciously denies his or her own thoughts, and emotions, and then ascribes them to the outside world, usually to other people.

Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.

This possibility fits the observed behavior of detractors to the mens rights movement, of consistently failing to field anything approaching a substantive argument. As well, when challenged with accountability for public calls for of child abuse, sex selective abortion and large scale violence from within the camp of gender ideology, calls for accountability are re-framed as violence, or it’s advocation. But the upside down character of this accusatory nonsense cannot be reconciled with a realistic or an adult cosmology.

Another explanation is possible for the culture of gender ideologues who repeatedly call for legal exclusion, child-targeting violence, sex-targeted infanticide. The explanation being that from such point of view, opposition must, by default, be assumed to be as violent as the rhetoric it opposes. If the proxy and the direct use of force is a mainstay of the political tool kit within the culture of gender ideology, then reasonably, outsiders can be assumed to share such lack of compass and imagination that applied violence seems like a logical tool. If your only tool is a hammer, all problems take on the appearance of nails.

However, rather than participating in the unproductive school-yard name-calling which seems the only form of engagement detractors of the man’s rights movement are inclined to practice, the MRM is increasingly focused on examination of human rights as a natural outcome of philosophical first principals. The first of which is the principal of universality.

Under a principle of universality, that which is preferred for one group, such as freedom from violence, must be preferred for all other groups.

However, both universality and and the non-initiation of violence appear to be antithetical to the opponents of the men’s rights movement. This becomes obvious in the visible outrage from feminists when the names of those advocating male targeting mass murder are published in opposition to those public calls for violence. The claim, stupidly insane as it may be, is that out-ing murder advocates is an advocation for violence against those murder advocates.

Yes. Publishing the name of a feminist who publicly advocates male targeting violence, is characterized not as anecessary or responsible public service, but as victimization of that murder advocate.

The total depravity of this characterization would be shocking, except for the knowledge of previous collective endorsements for infanticide, mass murder, and so on from those on the feminist side of the room. But this rather nicely illuminates the motive behind constant imputation of malice. It is even more obvious when the specifics of those ongoing accusations, stretching plausibility as they do, focus on claims of physical danger. This of course reveals the intention behind ongoing repetition of such accusation.

An informative parallel can be drawn to the foreign policy of the United States of America. Every 3 to 8 years, the US positions itself to invade, bomb, and strangle another country through trade embargo. In essence, the US is making a new war on somebody, somewhere a couple times each decade. However, before any of the poor and working class kids get shipped off to foreign climes to shoot a bunch of the locals, an information war emerges through America’s information/entertainment networks. Colloquially called news, the info-tainment machine churns out a stream of characterization, vilification, straw man arguments painting the country about to be invaded as an imminent, and dangerous threat. And thus, public support for ensuing military aggression is fabricated. Soon enough the killing starts.

So what possible reason can there be for dialling up of the narrative that a movement born in blogs, and continuously repudiating violence in the face of oppositional calls for mass murder and similarly bankrupt tactics – to claim some threat of violence is manifest from what is a non violent human rights movement? Clearly, the fabrication of a narrative of threat is to justify, and to render palatable, any and all violence to be used against such bloggers and video makers. If you haven’t got an argument, and you also haven’t got an ethical compass – recourse to cultivation of violence probably makes logical sense.

But absent of a better fitting model to understand the endless imputation of no longer merely malice, but peril, danger and violent intention, the concerted cultivation of a climate in which pre-emptive violence becomes palatable seems accurate. Of course, such violence on the part of gender idealogues or their proxies would have to be pre-emptive, since nobody recognized within the MRM has to date called for, advocated or engaged in violence, the advocation of violence, or so much as spoken of it in anything except repudiating terms.

When taken in concert with the wide range of recent public calls for violence from the gender ideologue camp, and the rhetorical and intellectual contortions necessary to claim some ambient threat of violence from writers on blogs like this one, the hypothesis to be drawn is that those making claims of a manifest threat from avowedly non-violent bloggers are attempting to foster and to precipitate the initiation of violence themselves. Recognizing this, the impulse to refute what is becoming a drone of monotonous accusation is greatly diminished. The burden falls to those issuing such accusation not to provide evidence, since selectively context-cleaned quotes are frequently used in place of such. Rather the burden for repeaters of claim of violent threat is to demonstrate their own intent is not cultivation, promotion and initiation of violence themselves.

The irony inherent in such claims, however flimsy, by gender idealogues – that a movement which rejects violence as a legitimate political tool, and which regularly excoriates and exposes individuals who publicly call for child abuse, mutilation, murder and mass murder – is that they must now logically demonstrate that their own goals do not include the fostering of violence.

This isn’t simply a rhetorical game of “I know you are but what am I”, or “I am rubber, you are glue”. Through the repetition of a false narrative of threat, anti-woman, rape-inclined violent menace – I expect eventually, one or more thinking-impaired white knights, maybe civilian, maybe employed by a police force, will find occasion to use force, and possibly deadly force against a men’s rights blogger, videographer, or activist.

I’m not looking forward to it being myself or anyone I know. However, if and when such event occurs, I plan to make maximum political use of violence fostered by gender ideologues, against what is a non-violent human rights movement. What I won’t do is seek justification for retributive acts of retaliation, or any other such nonsense.

This is a contest of ideas, and the continued glaring absence of anything resembling an actual argument against male human rights suggests that our opponents, loud and annoying as they are, remain without a boat or a paddle. If some grasping desperate attempts at relevance result in violence successfully fostered against MRAs, it won’t be violence we respond with. But we will fuck their shit up.

And of course to those opposing this movement, come on stupid, keep trying to bring a gun to this conversation. If, or perhaps when you succeed at indirectly getting somebody killed, bludgeoned, or brutalized, you will accomplish nothing except to shine a bright light on your position’s total bankruptcy.

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  • http://caveatandro.wordpress.com CCRoxtar

    It’s the women who harbor malice toward us, & they’re projecting that malice onto us.

  • Bombay

    Another mechanism of not being able to function in reality is cognitive dissonance.

  • Tawil

    JTO, I’m appreciating your appeal to first principles, in particular to the rule of universality. It can’t be said enough -is like society has forgot the principle of universality- so i hope you bang on with this one until it seeps through the blood-brain barrier of the general population.

  • http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot.com Suz

    “However, both universality and and the non-initiation of violence appear to be antithetical to the opponents of the men’s rights movement.”

    “This is a contest of ideas, and the continued glaring absence of anything resembling an actual argument against male human rights suggests that our opponents, loud and annoying as they are, remain without a boat or a paddle. If some grasping desperate attempts at relevance result in violence successfully fostered against MRAs, it won’t be violence we respond with. But we will fuck their shit up.

    This is why I’m here. Beautiful.

  • externalangst

    If feminists themselves have a hidden malicious intent behind their claims of unfairness, they will project this onto men and accuse them of malicious intent when any man speaks of unfairness to men & boys.

    MRAs are going to drive such feminists insane with their unrelenting, continuous appeals to the fair treatment of men & boys. With every reasonable request for due gender consideration, feminists will interpret it as motivated by the same maliciousness as they practice and it will drive them bat shit crazy.

    • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

      “MRAs are going to drive such feminists insane with their unrelenting, continuous appeals to the fair treatment of men & boys.”

      Feminists such as those JtO describes remind me of abusive partners. They don’t care if you are angry at them or in love with them, so long as it is all about them. The second you leave them and “go your own way” they go batshit crazy.

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    John, here’s a thing that bothers me: there exists at least one well-known weblogger (and probably others) who has a huge following and appears to make good money by randomly trolling through Reddit and blog comment threads looking for offensive and occasionally violent-sounding rhetoric from, or for public misbehavior by, people who have at one time or another expressed men’s rights sympathies. He does on occasion find it–it’s a big internet after all. Mix that in with at times toxic comments about women or feminists (and the cultural tendency to equate one with the other), and you’ve got a ready-made set of prejudices against you right off the bat.

    The practice of quote-mining is one tactic people can use to make you look bad, which I’m sure you’re aware of (it’s happened to me multiple times). Another tactic is what is known as “nut-picking,” as in, pick the worst example of one of your opponents you can find, and hold them up as exemplary. It’s an easy tactic used by multiple groups with multiple points of view to slime their opponents. There are people who pretty much make their living doing it (I won’t name any names but I can give you examples by private email if you like), and while there’s no easy way to stop it, calm and reasoned response usually does the trick in my experience.

    There’s more than one way to combat this I think. And one way is I think by being better than your opponents and not sinking to their level.

    You and others have often pointed out that rejection is something that the body reacts to as it does to physical pain. The same is almost certainly true, I would imagine, of verbal abuse. I certainly know that’s my response to verbal abuse when I’ve received it, and when I came to realize my own tendencies to sink toward verbal abuse, I was ashamed, and when I stoop to it now I try to stop myself or apologize when I do. Abuse is abuse, even when it comes from a complete stranger who doesn’t even know you.

    I don’t think that’s being “gentlemanly” or “above the fray” or whatever. I think it’s being human, and can enable you to practice the art of Jiu-Jitsu. For those who don’t know, Jiu-Jitsu is a martial art, an extremely effective one, and what its name translates into is “The Gentle Way.” A Jiu-Jitsu master can seriously fuck your shit up, and yet, and the same time, render you completely helpless against him, even render you unconscious, leaving you lying flat and wondering what the hell happened to you. Quite possibly without leaving a single cut or scratch or bruise on you.

    I think practicing verbal Jiu-Jitsu in these arguments is often called for. That does not mean surrender, that does not mean accepting vicious allegations. It means refusing to retaliate in kind. You use your opponent’s own strength against them, and kind of let them fuck themselves up in the process.

    And one thing I think that would help? I know this will make me unpopular but: a refusal to use the “f” word anymore as an epithet. And no I don’t mean “fuck,” I mean the four-syllable one given to us by the likes of Gloria Allred.

    We all know by now that the culture equates “feminism with equality.” Now, do you want to spend the next ten, twenty, thirty years trying to argue the entire culture into using the word the way you use it? Or did you want principles to prevail?

    There’s also an old adage in politics that I think applies: “Did you want to be right about everything, or did you want to win an election?” It’s not a small question. Being right feels good. Winning your cause feels a lot better.

    I will almost never use the word “feminist” as an epithet, or ascribe any characteristics to “feminists.” Why? Because as you well know, there are just too many people out there who use it and think they’re espousing something noble. They’re well-intentioned, and they perceive any attack on feminism as an attack on themselves or someone they care about–and thus, in short, they perceive it as verbal abuse.

    It doesn’t have to be your intent for it to be verbal abuse, for it to be received and painfully felt that way. Just like cruel rejection and other forms of abuse don’t have to be intended as malicious in order to cause pain.

    So one thing I suggest as a form of Jiu-Jitsu is to cease and desist any and all generalizations about that indefinable group called “the feminists” or “feminism.” Concentrate instead on individuals who say or do specific things, and name them. Groups who say and do specific things, and name them. And “feminism” isn’t a group: NOW is a group. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a group. Gloria Allred is a person.

    One Jiu-Jitsu way out of the constant trap of being labeled a “misogynist” and a “hater” and of promoting “violence against women” is to simply cease, and desist, giving your opponents the ABILITY to oversimplify your message with their handy beating stick of “feminism is about equality for women so if you criticize them you hate women.” And you hand them that weapon each and every time you criticize “feminism” rather than criticizing ideas you have problems with.

    Give up the label. Concentrate on the people.

    And you know another way to use Jiu-Jitsu to fuck their shit up? Point out their own principles to them, and then point out how in fairness their principles should apply to everyone and not just one gender. Some will react with rage, but many many others, especially silent others, will listen and see what you’ve really done: fucked their shit up without leaving a mark on them, leaving them wondering what the hell just happened to them and why they’re sitting there on the ground looking stupid when they were just so sure they had you beat.

    The “f” word. Give it up. You don’t need it and every time you yank it out, they club you on the head with it. Stop letting them do that to you.

    That’s my two cents.

    • http://www.johntheother.com John the Other

      I appreciate that concern, however when it comes to abandonment of the F word I don’t agree. The ideology of hatred and violence – which starts with F is presently accepted in public as a synonym for “humanism”, as well as being used by a large number of competing sub-cultures of that ideology, which I think is purposeful as a means of smogging just what that doctrine – in is different flavours – is built on.

      Among other goals, that label, starting with F must be illuminated in public, and shown clearly as the violent and hate-fueled ideology it really is. That label must be rendered un-inhabitable. It must be so completely discredited and despised that it provides no more false humanist wrapper or refuge for the ongoing pursuit of hatred and violence it’s devotees use it for now.

      When we are done, former devotees will stand trial in the Hague, and the principal authors of its doctrines have their names permanently tainted. Just as in modern Germany the surname Hitler is dead, the same will apply to names like Brownmiller and Jeffreys.

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

        Bugger it.

        It’s times like these I wish my surname was longer.

        • Steve_85

          F is quite short, you have to admit.

    • TheMoralGodless

      Dean, Feminism is a supremacist ideology and it needs to be revealed as such, over and over and over again. Being a feminist needs to be associated with shame, ridicule, and derision. By the way, this is already starting to happen. Feminism is starting to be publicly critiqued and ridiculed by conservatives and libertarians. It is also having to defend itself from an increasing number of women who are starting to see the writing on the wall.( http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/over-promise-under-deliver/ )

      Also, I think you are not very familiar with the MRM because we OFTEN call out feminist groups and individual feminists by name.

    • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      We’re making great strides as it is. What you are suggesting is cowardice which makes it difficult to take you seriously.

      I say we stay the course and continue to FTSU.

  • Auntie Pheminizm

    Er, “principles.”

    As in the “principles lacking in feminism’s principals (Steinem et alia).”

    > “perhaps when you succeed at indirectly getting somebody killed, bludgeoned, or brutalized, you will accomplish nothing except to shine a bright light on your position’s total bankruptcy.”

    Reminds me of the scene in “Gandhi” when non-violent protesters are beaten mercilessly for hours on end. Reporter Martin Sheehan, witnessing it, phones in an emotional story about the total moral and legal bankruptcy of British rule in India. It truly was the end of the beginning of the end of the Raj. It further fueled the independence movement.

    It’s scary, though. Mahatma, JFK, RFK, MLK, and other promoters of progress struck down by fear-filled folks. What will the legions of manginas do when they face the choice of admitting they were sold a bogus bill-of-goods…or lashing out at MRM messengers?

    Look how “we hate violence” fembots made the killing of men cool via mental jujitsu. They went from “There’s never an excuse for violence!” to excusing the violence of women, saying pre-emptive/reactive murders in relation to alleged years of abuse are kosher. Their victims, of course, can’t challenge the accusations because they’re dead.

    Also look how TV ads offer abusive women help, showing scenes of a stressed-out single mom about to hit her kid because she has to cook, heed him, answer the phone, etc. Meanwhile, the man running upstairs who loudly yells at his wife is not offered help. Nor do we learn that, say, he just found out his wife killed their 5 children.

    Femininnies also excuse female abuse of the elderly by saying women are forced to spend more time with them. As if “time” now makes it okay to harm others!

    This from the supposed “fairer” sex that endlessly touts its “caregiving.”

    One standard for men, another for humans.

  • jms5762

    Simple specific public humiliation of gender idealogues can be extremely effective. Two feminists in my family have curbed their mistreatment of the menfolk simply because I have been “liking” avfm articles on my facebook page. Friends and family are wondering why such a nice guy likes such harsh anti feminist rhetoric. These women know their behavior has been atrocious especially in private. The 800lb gorillas in the family have become kittens. Simply marvelous!

    • http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot.com Suz

      I do the same. I only have about 40 people on my “friends” list, but every one of them counts.

    • tallwheel

      You fellas are far braver than I am. I’m too afraid to even like an AVfM article on FB. Too many “mainstream” relationships I’m afraid of ruining. This is really one of the core problems: that most men are afraid to even speak up at all about these things with the people they love because they are afraid of looking like a misogynist to their blue pill friends and family.

      So far I’ve mostly stuck to liking only articles sympathetic to males not written by MRA’s and not on MRM sites. Sometimes I insert my MRM-leaning views into daily conversation, but have to be careful to present them a watered-down, mainstream-friendly way. I feel bad that I have to be such a coward, and greatly admire MRA’s who risk their real-life identities and are fighting on the front lines every day. If only it were possible for more men to do the same without taking so much risk…

  • Stu

    Just one little error in this article. “or poor sandwich making skills” It’s “sammich” geez

  • Auntie Pheminizm

    > “Mix that in with at times toxic comments about women or feminists (and the cultural tendency to equate one with the other), and you’ve got a ready-made set of prejudices against you right off the bat.”

    Until, of course, we say OUR version of things enough time to gain traction. Why let the enemy dictate the terms of discourse?

    > “calm and reasoned response usually does the trick in my experience.”

    Men’s group did that for 30-40 years. Where’d it get us?

    There’s a difference between doing academic research and popularizing findings. How many folks elected to public office win by showing “factual” powerpoint presentations until voters eyes glaze over?

    > “one way is I think by being better than your opponents and not sinking to their level.”

    Depends. Ever see a bully stop because his target engages him with “reason”?

    What happened when Chamberlain returned with a gentlemanly “signed pledge” from Adolf? After Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, should Americans have responded by promising to eat more tofu, rice, and tempura?

    Sometimes being “reasonable” just increases the violence and frequency of enemy attacks. They don’t WANT to see us as human.

    > “the art of Jiu-Jitsu.”

    How many years of daily practice would be needed, say, to neutralize an opponent whose attacks have grown ever-more-brutal for 50 years?

    > “You use your opponent’s own strength against them…”

    An interesting theory. Any practical examples of manifested in reality against feminists?

    > “We all know by now that the culture equates ‘feminism with equality.’ ”

    Because “nice, reasonable” men did pretty much nothing for decades to show feminism is NOT about equality. Are we now to further cement feminism’s hold on the world by treating its very name as sacred, taboo, off-limits?

    > “Being right feels good. Winning your cause feels a lot better.”

    Winning entails targetting the correct audience. Forget feminist groups. Use their attacks against us for publicity. We need to target young men and women in college, etc., and harness their energy. A lot of THEM wince hearing the word “feminism.” A lot of young women, in particular, disown the word. So I disagree with your assertion.

    > “there are just too many people out there who use it and think they’re espousing something noble.”

    So what? Let them hear another view. Plus similar people thought priests never buggered little boys, either. Why, yet again, let the enemy guide us?

    > “It doesn’t have to be your intent for it to be verbal abuse, for it to be received and painfully felt that way.”

    Again, so what? In war, why worry about the boo-boos the enemy endures? Men did not start this. The time to be nice was BEFORE feminists fired their first shots. THEY went from comity to combat. Now our bicycles are starting to run over their “little fishies.” It’s not the time to stop.

    For years and years and years, just as the men’s movement started to take off, out would come those urging men to “be nice.” Where’d it get us? And how many of those brake-appliers ever EVER urged feminists to back off?

    I used to comment on Salon. A lot. There’d always be these manginas who remained silent whenever feminists slurred men, or made penis jokes, or talked about kicking testicles. The same “vaguynas” would always charge out like yipping chihuahuas whenever men fired back at women equally. They’d urge MRAs to “tone it down” and cite exceptions to every point the men made. If a fembot said all men were rapists, the manginas remained mute. But if an MRA said most children are abused by females, the white knight nuts would sputter that NAWALT or ask for data (which, no matter how much was provided, was dismissed).

    Look, the reason I’m here and not on other sites is because of Paul and the TONE he sets. We all know how many times he’s been urged to “be nicer” and all. Well, eff that! We’ve been nice guys far too long. It’s long overdue that we march and engage the enemy. War ain’t pattycakes. Feminists feel entitled to rage about everything under the sun. But let a guy raise his voice because he’s been falsely accused of something, and out come the silencers. It’s all about making sure females continue to “own” things emotional.

    Some think fathers being separated from their kids; innocent men being jailed for rape; etc. are no big deals. Or just burdens men must silently bear. I’m not in that camp.

    Enuff! Time to take off the gloves and keep them off.

    > “…I suggest as a form of Jiu-Jitsu…to cease and desist any and all generalizations about that indefinable group called ‘the feminists’ or ‘feminism.’ ”

    Noted. Disagree.

    STRONGLY disagree.

    Urge others to do the same.

    > “And ‘feminism’ isn’t a group: NOW is a group. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a group. Gloria Allred is a person.”

    Yet they all call themselves feminist.

    Do you think misandrists only talk of “Paul Elam”? Hell no! They slander “misogynists” and “women-haters” and “small penises” and so on. Why abide by Queensbury Rules in a street fight? An army attacks us indiscriminately en masse. We are to respond by sending invitations to individualized fisticuffs?

    > “…giving your opponents the ABILITY to oversimplify your message with their handy beating stick of ‘feminism is about equality for women so if you criticize them you hate women.’ ”

    In real life unrebutted accusations tend to stick.

    Millions of men lost their kids because so-called MRM “leaders” urged guys to be patient, non-retaliatory, above-the-fray, and so on. Feminism IS the enemy. Some treat it like unicorns, swearing that somehow feminism’s “true” manifestation is on its way…that this or that brand is, well, not REALLY feminism. It’s like a lot of “isms” that look fine on paper, but kill humans in practice.

    Patton was effective, too, recall. And he was neither passive nor a pacifist. Gandhi was a pacific, but hardly passive. And he HATED cowards. He said if you couldn’t honestly, deep in your heart, love your enemy when he beat you it was your moral DUTY to kick his ass as hard as you could.

    > “And you know another way to use Jiu-Jitsu to fuck their shit up? Point out their own principles to them…”

    Sigh. Have you ever tried that? When you do, let us know how it went. I’d LOVE to see Allred’s reaction when you tell her, you know, that feminism isn’t being fair…though it talks about fairness all the time. Bring a recorder, preferrably a camcorder.

    The saddest thing is that what you write could easily be said by a die-hard feminist trying to stop the MRM from moving.

    • http://www.mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      Excellent,bro.

      The saddest thing is that what you write could easily be said by a die-hard feminist trying to stop the MRM from moving.

      That is probably what Deana is trying to do.

  • http://www.lastlegionary.com Andy Man

    I’m very interested in developing an effective communication that can reach a wider audience, and this article is “right up my street”. Well written and presented.

  • ActaNonVerba

    Feminists: “We’re the helpless victims here!!! If you don’t like that, we’ll use our money, power, influence, resources, or proxies to destroy you. How dare you question the matriarchy!!!”

    • Kimski

      “-And..and..women have it soo much harder! You just don’t know what it’s like!!”

      But fear not, for I have found the cure, and it will be a lot less expensive for society in general:

      A one-way ticket to a radical muslim country, preferably for the rest of their lives.
      -Just, you know, to put things in a perspective they can hopefully understand, and give them some insight as to what it’s like, to be a man living in a ‘womens world’.

  • JinnBottle

    Just got thru deleting a much longer Comment that…well, probably would not have done any of us much good had it taken capturable public screen form.

    Let me just say this. I just got thru (after having watched one misandric fiction movie just before it) a “documentary” called “Absent”. I thot it was going to be, at least in part, about what’s *really* going on with and about, Fathers. Let me just say: When you get a full 10 minutes into a documentary that doesn’t even start to hint about giving equal – make that *any* – time to other side of PC – aka the truth – you know what you’re in for for the other 200 minutes, too.

    It featured some guy grinning like a hyena all thru it called James Hunt. And another guy with degrees on his wall and a fat face called Garcia. And some “poet” or “lyricist” I never heard of either, till an hour ago.

    Put it this way. I hawked a lunga from right across the livingroom onto the TV. It stays there. Lest I forget.

  • Gamerp4

    “Publishing the name of a feminist who publicly advocates male targeting violence, is characterized not as anecessary or responsible public service, but as victimization of that murder advocate.”

    The reason I like your stand JTO is because you speak with a tone that spear through feminist bullshit like a knife goes through butter, although their “butter” is soar in taste, this is because of their hate of Men which has increased in these 40 years of their so called “Equality” which by the way is nothing but a deception to pave the way for more male bashing or in future possibly “Mass Male Murdering” as their beloved feminist goddess (Who in right mind would see mary daly and andrea dworkin as goddess, Sorry ATHENA i know how you feel) have said in live media and in full public view, even today Misandry is widely publicized as not “Hate Speech” but a woman’s opinion regarding men.

    Male basher’s who are widely applauded are considered brave and courageous (We are living among insane humans, who have lost their mind when they go throw women studies and liberal arts). What does go uncheck is that they indirectly advocate male bashing with a little spice of male hating (What does hate equals to, well if i hate rats then i would surely try to eradicate them), this summarizes that deep down they do advocate for male eradication but due to men still “in spell” of feminism as being a call for “equality” among men and women support the ideology.

    My conclusion about JTO’s idea where he says that when an opponent of feminism is bombarded with misinformation and regarded as a hate filled movement,(Just like when US of A goes to war with another country they try to paint a picture of terrorism and label the said country with it by using the large liberal media to gain the support of mass public) is pretty much what we are fighting here, i mean after being labeled as a “Rapist, Pedophile, Creep, Insane, Evil, Patriarch, Misogynist, Women-Hater & Dead Beat Dad” there isnt much left for them to do, because let’s be real here, they have the vast support and funding of Government institutions, family courts are pretty much biased against men and boys, MGM is regarded as a required procedure to be accepted in a religion, & FGM is regarded as a crime against “Humanity”, vast public funding and tax based funds going to women health organizations and women rights organizations, There isnt anything that feminist haven’t got, you are vilified right after when you inhale your first breath, you are seen as an evil human when you even cant walk and you need support for it, i mean they got all those thing that are needed to slain a DRAGON, but what they dont got is our spirit and commitment, Just like Dr Canning who kicked the feminist butt by resigning with his prestige and honor intact (and i salute him for that) and i am not going to rant anymore but gonna lit the candle with my last advice:

    “that fight can be hard and tough but if we join hands to hands together with enough courage and commitment to each other and regard each other as one body & one soul, we will win it even if our numbers are low”

    Thanks Again JTO, Sorry for this long comment, I think my comment was longer than your article.

  • Cooter Bee

    Sometimes, I think we make too much of this. Though it might be nice to think that feminists or governments shouldn’t try everything at their disposal to make things hard for us; do any of us really expect them to refrain from underhanded tactics? Why would public discourse from these people be honest and fair when they recommend that average women contrive falsehoods in their private lives?

    I disagree that this is a contest of ideas. The ideas can exist in tandem. If not a single Radfem ever equivocates or softens her opinion many men can still go MGTOW or Zeta. It doesn’t prevent them at all.

    No amount of conjuring alleged violence will ever force a man to be violent. They can talk about it but they can’t make us do it.

    JTO is right. One of these days some men’s rights blogger or youtuber will be assassinated because some white night had to beat off once too often. And when that day comes it will be a tragic waste and a day of exceeding sorrow. What it will not be, however, is a brake on MGTOW or a dulling of the clamor for men’s human rights. I don’t say this out of defiance but as a simple recognition that the MRM is not an artificially proscribed creed but an evolutionary adaptation to a hostile environment. Darwin will have his mutation no matter what the Radfems want to do about it.

    The MRM will succeed and human rights will be recognized. As JFK said in PT 109, “Bet on it. Either you win or you never have to pay off.”

  • keyster

    The internet is a crowded platform, but at least we have one. Can change be affected before it get’s any worse, when we’ll be reduced to saying nothing more than “See, we told you so.”?

    http://www.openmarket.org/2012/07/10/quotas-limiting-male-science-enrollment-the-new-liberal-war-on-science/

    I’m not so sure about appealing to “Humanism” to recognize Men’s Rights. How much longer can they ignore it as seemingly righteous and needed? Their current narrative (the rights of women and children and oppressed brown people everywhere), seems to be impenetrable.

    Trying to “sell” anyone on the fact MRA’s (men) are not violent is a defensive position; exactly where they want us to be. You can try to shift the perception but they have MRM firmly catagorized as “Radical Extremist”, which in any socio-political arena is code for “violent”.

    (FYI – If say “fuck” alot and project anger and antagonism towards an identifiable victim group, you’re probably prone to violence. They control the platform and whoever controls the platform controls the narrative that everyone keeps hearing. FTSU is a form of “verbal violence”, which is just as bad. I didn’t make the rules.)

    • BioCan

      Thanks for the article, Keyster.

      I haven’t seen news on quotas in a while, but it looks like they haven’t gone away. Obama thought that the over-representation of women in college is an achievement and not as discrimination against men. Well, don’t more women vote for the democratic party than the republican party? The bottom line is pandering to voters in order to get re-elected. I’m not too familiar with American politics, but aren’t quotas in opposition to the constitution in any way? Or is there no law that makes them illegal? It breaches equality under the law but does it fall under the realm of traditional discrimination recognized in American courts?

      Can we have quotas for the liberal arts, social sciences, or nursing? You know, so we can stop the matriarchy and all that.

      • keyster

        Quotas or Affirmative Action originated out of the Civil Right Movement in the 1960’s and the Supreme Court’s ruling on it.

        The new STEM quota is applied from Title IX which is equal representation of women in college athletics, (if a college has 50% females, it should offer 50% athletic scholarships to females, even if that means male athletic programs will be cut). Obama will apply this quota system to Academics, specifically Math and Science.

        IOW, since women represent over 60% of college students, yet STEM is male dominated, they want women to be equally represented in STEM…even if that means less and less males will be permitted to take STEM courses…to make room for women.

        It’s really astounding. It’s only furthering the agenda to slowly push males out of the higher education space, so women can be better educated and get better jobs, and men disenfranchised from the economy.

        It’s highly unlikely that even Hillary Clinton would have been more of a feminist activist as President, than Obama. The “equal representation” canard has been a feminist fantasy for decades, that’s now coming true.

  • Xevaster

    I once read an alternate history short story in which the German army drove the British out of India. Gandhi was there and still espousing non-violent protest and passive resistance. His thought was that the Germans would be as shamed as the British were at the poor treatment of passive resistors. The only problem was that the German commander knew the the Nazi government did not care about how things looked to others. In the story the German soldiers gunned down the protestors,and eventually captured Gandhi. The commander even told Gandhi that he most likely get a medal for suppressing the resistance, he then had his soldiers take Gandhi out back and execute him. Thus, they broke the will of the Indian people.

    I liken the struggle that we face before us to this story. The Feminist army that we face does not care about our resistance, they have the full support of the government behind them, so whatever they do will be supported and even praised. I mean they already get away with murder.

    I fear that one day my son might very well have to fight for his right to life and freedom. I have been teaching my daughters, and will teach my son when he is old enough to understand, that you never hit first but make sure that you hit last. I don’t condone violence, but sometimes defensive violence is unavoidable. I am not calling for out and out war, but when your adversary has no care for you and no fear of reproach, they are then willing to do whatever it takes to win, including genocide. Lets hope that it never comes to that.

  • Raven01

    Kind of O/T but, I snuck one by the censors at CBC. It appears to be a CBC censor one must be a dyed in the wool PC-feminazi unemployable liberal arts grad and, even they could not plausibly deny this comment:
    “I fully support the Cologne courts decision.
    It is nothing at all to do with religion.
    As a society we must ask ourselves a very simple question.
    That question is, “Do we support or condemn non-medically beneficial mutilation of infants or not?”
    If the answer is support for male circumcision then it is time we shut our mouths on female circumcision. Neither is medically necessary, and both are nothing more than cultural preferences.
    On the other hand, if the answer is to not support such barbarism, then we must condemn butchering both male and female infants.

    We should also note that even in the US with 1st class medical conditions over 100 boys each and every year die from male genital mutilation. And, that the removed foreskin is sold to cosmetic companies to produce face cream so old hags can try to look younger. Rather ghoulish if you ask me.”

    On this story:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/14/germany-circumcision-controversy.html
    And atm 19:3 agree/disagree. A rather positive shift from the norm at that site.

  • harrywoodape

    Great article JtO. Very thoughtful and very thought provoking. You have a great mind…please continue to share it with the world.
    I’m with you brother.