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Stollznow accuses Radford of “Recruiting” AVFM to continue his harassment

Yesterday, Karen Stollznow, skeptic writer and now-notorious harassment-accuser of Ben Radford, another prominent skeptic, posted an update on her Indiegogo fundraiser stating Radford had “recruited” AVFM to “spread his word” in order to harass her even further. She also made a string of false claims including AVfM was a hate group accusing her of violating Indiegogo’s terms of use and pocketing fraudulently collected money.

Her post reads:

My harasser continues to try to spread false information about me while demonstrating his harassment. He has recruited the help of a hate group to help spread his word. “A Voice For Men”. They claim now that this campaign is a violation of Indiegogo’s terms. It is not. They claim that I am planning to just pocket this money. I am not. They claim that my insurance is covering my costs so this money is fraudulently requested. Not true. My harasser was clever in his lawsuit and included things that my insurance could not cover, like claims of fraud.

These are the same techniques of silencing the victim that many of us have encountered and suffered through. I will no longer be silent. My day in court is coming…

Stollznow's lies about Radford and AVfM (2)

Last week AVfM posted an article titled “Radford vs. Stollznow: Tempest in the Skeptic Community” which enumerated many of the claims Radford made on a website devoted to answering Stollznow’s accusations of sexual harassment, which he says have done tremendous harm to his reputation and employment life as well as his personal life. Also last week, AVfM Radio aired an edition of  The O’Hara News and Editorial which featured editorial commentary by the hosts and a guest from the skeptic community named Mykeru who spoke in defense of Radford and was critical of Stollznow’s accusations and the support she received from the Atheist+ community.

No one on the editorial, administrative or news staff has ever reported being contacted by him directly concerning Stollznow’s accusations or the pending lawsuit. The issue was brought to AVfM’s attention by several members of the skeptic community expressing their desire to highlight and question the very public accusations being leveled against Radford and to explore the possible motivations behind them.

Nowhere in the article and at no point during the airing of last Tuesday’s edition of O’Hara’s News and Editorial was it said definitively that Stollznow’s Indiegogo campaign was fraudulent or that it was in violation of Indiegogo’s terms of agreement. It was suggested, however, that it may be in violation of Indiegogo’s terms of service and that Indiegogo should question the wisdom of allowing a campaign that, for which there is ample proof, is directed towards preventing a victim of libel from receiving justice in court.

Relevant quote from the article:

“…ten days ago on March 27th, [Stollznow] started a defense fund under the byline “Give a Voice to Sexual Harassment Victims” which has already raised nearly $60,000, even though there is strong reason to believe that this campaign, which is defamatory of another person, is arguably a violation of Indiegogo’s terms of use since it is widely known whom Stollznow has accused. This leads to another interesting question: are sites like Indiegogo now the go-to funding source for anyone who wants to make an allegation against someone else in court, without even providing proof of the wrongdoing to donors?”

In no part of the article and at no point of the radio show was it said that Stollznow was going to pocket the money and at no time did AVfM claim she was going to use her insurance to cover her legal expenses. At one point during the radio broadcast Robert O’Hara did suggest that anyone who donated to Stollznow’s fund-raiser was a defacto contributor to the payoff Radford was likely to receive upon winning his case against Stollznow because the evidence was so overwhelming. It was Radford himself, not AVfM who stated on his website that Stollznow had asked her homeowners insurance to pay for her legal expenses.

AVfM is not a hate site.

Insinuations that AVfM was a hate group made by the SPLC in its Spring 2012 Intelligence Report have since been retracted and the SPLC has lost its status as an unquestioned authority on hate movements. According to AVfM management, numerous claims that they and other men’s rights organizations are hate groups have been debunked, and AVfM is quick to point out that members of the Men’s Rights Movement, almost entirely without exception, reject bigotry, hatred and violence.

Stollznow’s post sparked heated reactions in the skeptic community as well as within AVfM management. Despite protests over her obviously false claims the controversial post remains on her Indiegogo page and many feel its existence is proof that she is a disturbed, if not disordered, person.

“Now, we don’t really care that Stollznow has lied about us because we get lied about all the time. It comes with the territory when you either attack ideological feminism (it garners the same type of slanderous responses that you get when you answer Creationist lunacy) or when you try to defend the rights of boys and men specifically, even when the science clearly shows that they’re in deep trouble in our educational and legal and social systems in multiple areas (even if individual men are often fine, as a group men have problems no one wants to talk about and get mad at you when you do talk about them)” wrote AVfM Director of Operations, Dean Esmay, in a string on the popular atheist website “The Slyme Pit” yesterday.

“Although from a publicity angle it’s probably not worth trying to address AVfM’s reporting (and that’s what it was: reporting) on the Radford/Stollznow case, the fact is that this response by Stollznow is probably further proof of libel and ill-intent by Stollznow. It certainly cements in my mind that she’s probably a classic Cluster-B personality disordered type.”

Mykeru, the skeptic guest on last week’s radio show, has answered with a YouTube video in which he refutes Stollznow’s accusations and asserts that it was he, not Radford, who contacted AVfM to report the story. He also denies having any personal contact with Radford concerning the matter, stating that he only met him once during a conference years ago and has not spoken to him since.

AVfM News will be covering this case and will report the outcome as soon as it is announced.

 

Sources:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/give-a-voice-to-harassment-victims?c=activity

https://www.indiegogo.com/about/terms

http:// benrlegal.info/

http://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=176515#p176515

http://washingtonexaminer.com/shocked-anti-defamation-league-slaps-fbi-diss-on-hate-crimes/article/2546305

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/15/intelligence-report-article-provokes-outrage-among-mens-rights-activists/

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women

About Robert O'Hara

Bob O'Hara is the U.S. News Director for A Voice for Men. He is a men's rights activist living in the Washington, D. C. area who has done work with S.A.V.E. and is the host of a weekly radio show with news and analysis on men's and boys' issues.

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  • politicalcynic

    I think she actually has demonstrated feminism in a nutshell: “I’m a STRONG, INDEPENDENT woman….wahhh, wahhh, everyone is out to get me, help me, help me, I can’t do anything without someone else’s money”.

    • John Narayan

      More reason for a tax and banking strike.

    • Bewildered

      I used to get angry at the blatant hypocrisy but now I find it very hilarious.

    • DukeLax

      The root of the perversions and discrimination’s against the American hetero-male….Are hinged upon the perversions / federal pork bloating triangles, and manufactured statistics Alliances that have poisoned American law enforcement over the last 25 years.

      It will be a warning to citizens around the world to not let their law enforcement engage in perversions and manufactured statistics Alliances.

  • Astrokid

    Mikey is getting some heat LOL.
    https://twitter.com/Mykeru/status/455863302779072512
    https://twitter.com/Mykeru/status/455864409152577536

    But my hats off to Mikey. The deal is pretty simple. Until Mikey did his thing, nobody stepped up. And even after Mikey spread the message, including via Joe Rogan’s retweet to his enormous following, the effort has raised only 6.4K. contrast that to Stollznow’s over 30K in a few hours of her fundraising.

    Here’s an update on Ben’s site.

    Ben tried repeatedly to resolve this issue privately, but was ultimately
    forced to file a lawsuit to clear his name. After reading http://www.benrlegal.info and considering the evidence, I hope you will return here and donate to his legal fund. Having truth and evidence on your side is not enough; legal representation is enormously expensive, and Ben and his family have
    spent almost $30,000 (as of this writing) in an effort to clear a name and reputation that he has spent 20 years building, and that cost increases by the week
    . Skeptics pride themselves on being able to consider evidence, and being aware of (and trying to eliminate) bias as much as possible

    Now.. how do you like a Skeptic admitting that truth and evidence is not enough? At least that takes out outside of naivety. Now.. we all know feminism’s core theories are hogwash, and yet it has done well for 50 years. Patriarchy theory has been with us since 2nd-wave, and even Cady Stanton’s 1848 Declaration of sentiments is Patriarchy-Lite. And yet there’s huge infrastructure around feminism, including 600M$p.y VAWA. Even our freaking President keeps repeating the wage-gap-due-to-discrimination myth. Surely the powers-that-be arent such idiots and there is more to it.

    This is why AVFM went to war with feminism. All ways of combating feminism prior to that have failed. Christina Hoff Sommers and her entire well-funded political Right? Not much progress. Why do you think feminists went berserk and called any and everyone an MRA? We spooked the hell out of them. If the Slymepit or skeptic community has any freaking way of getting ONE Mens Issue addressed.. say Mens Reproductive Rights.. I challenge you to do it. Note that the skeptics community has over the years chickened out of fighting feminism in any culturally or legally meaningful way. And so has the Atheist community. Mykeru talked the talk and walked the walk. Lets see the skeptic community expand on that.

  • earth one

    I did some reading on this, from Radford’s website – and she does sound like a nut job. Stollznow seems to be going full blast with the crazy now that this story has made its way through various media channels.

    …are sites like Indiegogo now the go-to funding source for anyone who wants to make an allegation against someone else in court, without even providing proof of the wrongdoing to donors?

    Feminists are very good at using social media and its various applications, weaponized to their benefit. It’s like a very new version of the old grapevine, the party-line and and powder-room: gossip, rumors, whisper campaigns, false allegations, slander, libel, and now, it’s monetized, baby! You can turn your toxic personality in to cold, hard cash on the Internet!

  • Bewildered

    Skeptics ?

    • Kimski

      AVfM as Pitbull for Hire?

  • Tallwheel

    $58,927?! Jeez Louise. Seems all a woman has to do to make a shitload of money is claim she was harassed and set up a kickstarter or indie-go-go campaign. The victim industry is as lucrative as ever – if not more than ever.

  • Mike Hunt

    I’m starting to think this feminism thing tends to attract really awful people.

    • Bewildered

      Was it ever in doubt ?

      • Mike Hunt

        I was being facetious.

        • Bewildered

          I was reinforcing your facetiousness ! hehehehe!

  • http://www.genderratic.com/ Ginkgo

    “Last week AVfM posted an article titled “Radford vs. Stollznow: Tempest in the Skeptic Community” which enumerated many of the claims Radford made on a website devoted to answering Stollznow’s accusations of sexual harassment, which he says have done tremendous harm to his reputation and employment life as well as his personal life”
    In other words she has harrassed him. This explains her need to claim he is harrassing her. She needs the cover. Now it doesn’t look so crazy, just dishonest.

    • RK55

      I have seen a thousand guys stopped dead in their tracks by this gambit.

      • Sasha

        Indeed it’s a very well-understood phenomenon – Seth Godin explained it very well: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/04/the-bully-victim-cycle.html

        “A bully acts up in a meeting or in an online forum. He gets called on it and chastised for his behavior.

        The bully then calls out the person who cited their behavior in the first place. He twists their words, casts blame and becomes an aggrieved victim.

        Often, members of the tribe then respond by backing off, by making amends, by giving the bully another chance.

        And soon the cycle continues.

        Brands do this, bosses do it and so do passers-by. Being a bully is a choice, and falling for this cycle, permitting it to continue, is a mistake.”

  • Riku

    It’s claimed again that SPLC was dumped as partner source of FBI – but it just doesn’t seem to be the case! Why is this being repeated here?
    I don’t think Avfm is a hate site, at least not for the stupid reasons given by splc, but I value the truth a lot so if you claim that splc was dumped as a source then please prove it or lose my respect. I stay on this site to continously be fed the red pill, if I wanted the blue one I’d frequent feminist sites.

    • http://www.genderratic.com/ Ginkgo
      • Riku

        Thank you Ginkgo. They truly are not substantive. An article like that against the fact that splc is still on the partner list…
        And yes, I enter this site daily and advocate for it because it feeds red pills and spreads truths. Like I said, if I wanted lies like these I would join feminism.

    • Astrokid

      whats with the prove it or lose my respect. I stay on this site to continously be fed the red pill, if I wanted the blue one I’d frequent feminist sites grandstanding dude? Somebody owes you a constant feeding of red pill?

    • EJ Spurrell

      In the words of a man much smarter than I, “Truth is subjective.”

      That being said, I also noticed that the claim that the SPLC was dropped from the FBI partners did not seem to be the case. When I went to report that to AVFM, I discovered that they already knew and had addressed the issue at the top of the very article the claim was made in.

      So yeah… if people are still parroting that, it’s just misinformation. Even AVFM can fall prey to misinformation from time to time. We can’t stop people from repeating the claim. All we can do is point out that the claim is false.

  • Mykeru

    Thanks for another article bringing attention to this travesty brought on by Karen Stollznow and the core group of dog-piling lunatics at Atheism Plus, Freethought Blogs, Skepchick and the Center for Inquiry.

    Please give to Ben Radford’s legal fund. There’s a RocketHub and Paypal link at the bottom of http:// benrlegal.info/ and in the description to my videos “An Appeal on Behalf of Ben Radford” and “Her Lips Are Moving, Her Fingers Are Typing, So She Must Be Lying”.

    Some stuff in need of minor correction: I met Radford at a meeting of the National Capital Area Skeptics. He has no clue on earth who I am. It was a talk, not a conference, although I understand the confusion as so much these days focuses on conferences.

    I’m not sure how The SlymePit (http://slymepit.com) would describe itself. Although most members are part of the clumsily named “Atheist and Skeptical Community”, I think what best describes the membership is opposition to the co-opting of said community by carpet-baggers who cruised in and act as though their Identity Politics (which has little to do with either atheism or skepticism) puts them in charge.

    What’s more, what’s really at issue is not “feminism” per se, whatever NAFALT definition one uses, but the larger issue of Identity Politics, of which their form of fashionable hipster feminism — where whatever they want now becomes an ideology — is part. The central message of Identity Politics where what is done doesn’t matter so much as who does it, is pretty much antithetical to skepticism, critical thinking, ethics, consistent morality and, as we see with members of Atheism Plus and Freethought blogs, being a decent human. Also, what we see is a classic “fight on the internet”. The carpet-baggers are basically third-tier bloggers who really have no influence in the real-world skeptical movement, except to the extent that they can play “gotcha” and tarnish people’s reputations. If it wasn’t for their furious slacktivist typing, you wouldn’t have heard of most of them.

    I will probably get some flak I don’t care about from the videos, the appearance on the radio show and these AVfM articles. The usual gang of the dumb middle class and marginally educated white people who know what’s best for you will scream MRA and “misogynist” or whatever else they have in their shrinking bag of pejorative tricks, which is how you know they are feeling bruised.

    I’m also getting flak from some (some, mind you) people in The SlymePit for bringing AVfM into this, but considering the same people have done nothing, and are damned proud of it, pontificating from their big armchair of deferred judgement, I don’t actually give a shit what they think either.

    • Bewildered

      The central message of Identity Politics where what is done doesn’t
      matter so much as who does it, is pretty much antithetical to
      skepticism, critical thinking, ethics, consistent morality and, as we
      see with members of Atheism Plus and Freethought blogs, being a decent
      human.

      ABSOLUTELY ! It’s absolutely amazing how these self proclaimed skeptics could be so oblivious of their own hypocrisy.
      Any skeptic worth his salt would be someone who keeps playing the devil’s advocate often and practically should have very little emotional vested interest in any topic.
      But the hubris and the self-righteousness of these people,which could embarrass even a die-hard creationist, is staggering.
      When Greg Laden says “the male brain is damaged by testosterone”,it’s accepted with laughter and no rebuttal. Anyone questioning feminism is automatically a misogynist!

      The central message of Identity Politics where what is done doesn’t
      matter so much as who does it, is pretty much antithetical to
      skepticism, critical thinking, ethics, consistent morality and, as we
      see with members of Atheism Plus and Freethought blogs, being a decent
      human. Also, what we see is a classic “fight on the internet”. The
      carpet-baggers are basically third-tier bloggers who really have no
      influence in the real-world skeptical movement, except to the extent
      that they can play “gotcha” and tarnish people’s reputations. If it
      wasn’t for their furious slacktivist typing, you wouldn’t have heard of
      most of them……….

      The usual gang of the dumb middle class and marginally educated white
      people
      who know what’s best for you will scream MRA and “misogynist” or
      whatever else they have in their shrinking bag of pejorative tricks,
      which is how you know they are feeling bruised.

  • plasmacutter

    Again, he should submit a motion to introduce this campaign as evidence of libel and have its assets frozen until such time as the proceedings are completed. If they come out in his favor, every dime should be awarded to him in addition to the normal damages.

  • http://ChristophDollis.com/3AF Christoph Dollis

    Wow. What an awful person.

  • Guest

    Anyone with a brain when reading stollznow’s disingenuous garbage:

    http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/oh-no.gif

  • http://youtube.com/imagocanis Drawing Butts

    Anyone with basic reasoning skills when reading Stollznow’s disingenuous garbage:
    http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/sidneyfuckyeahyeah/ohno_zpsbe470d7f.gif

    Stollznow when made aware that AVfM has been sicked on her:
    http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/sidneyfuckyeahyeah/AAAUGH_zps4bd375c0.gif