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Zara Faris debunks feminism at London debate

Despite the myths we hear about Middle Eastern women being utterly oppressed, anyone who looks at the situation experienced by many women and men in this area tells a different story. Take Zara Faris, for example:

Indeed, she makes a strong case for why women are strongly advantaged overall in her religion. The question we’d ask her is: Are men advantaged in any particular way? From what we can detect, it sounds like they aren’t, even if sensationalist Western media wants us to think differently.

Hat tip: Muslim Debate Initiative.

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  • Tag

    first ten minutes were decent, the last four went insane with gynocentrism and prostylzation

    • Ken T

      I didn’t think that the last 4 minutes were heavy with gynocentrism and proselytization at all…..

      Sure…. she was defending marriage and her religion…

      Why shouldn’t she? She isn’t asking anyone to get married or convert to Islam, she isn’t really even boosting for marriage or the Islamic religion. She wasn’t getting deeply into either, nor was she pushing them as anything other than “a better way than feminism”…..which is a sentiment I certainly share!

      She is comparing the rigid roles that feminism has defined for women with the roles that women in her community chose for themselves, and talking about the benefits and detractors of each.

      I thought her entire speech was well-informed; and I feel like she delivered it spectacularly.

      • Tag

        The end result of advocating that is essentially coverture laws. Essentially a woman under those laws has no facial responsibility to pay taxes or settle her debts. those responsibilities would fall on the man. Karen struagh did a video on this look it up. I think she called it when privileged backfires. But thats the end result thats why it gynocentric.

        Traditionalism is only a better way forward from feminism is you are traditionalist, other wise all it does is bring back gender roles for one gender and reinforces them on another. the larger goal of the MRM is just to break the back of feminism but to break down the male gender roles as well. See Shreks comment up above.

        • Viredae

          And you seem to forget that the most important thing about privilege, is that it comes with responsibility.

          Yes, a husband is forced the responsibility to shoulder his wife’s burden, but in return he gets final say in the home, including divorce, right away you have one of western culture’s biggest issues, the exploitation of divorce courts and the gouging and enslavement of ex-husbands, which stands in contrast to the fragile illusion that is western marriage.

          In that sense, Marriage in Islam is nothing more than a contract “give me kids and sex, as well as caretaking service of house and said kids, and I’ll take care of the financial burdens.”

          This also renders the excuse of traditional gender roles being “restrictive” completely ridiculous, as nobody is actually forcing men to, so to speak, “sign the contract”; you don’t like the product? Don’t buy it, stay home and watch porn for all anyone cares.

          • Tag

            “Yes, a husband is forced the responsibility to shoulder his wife’s burden, but in return he gets final say in the home, including divorce,”

            Hardly watch the episode of when did you wake up with erin pizzey from a couple weeks ago its hardly a fair bargin. also why would you want a stay at home wife/mom. the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze. Also under islamic law lets say you die the finical burned fall to your eldest son and then if he dies the next eldest. even if the wife has a job her money is her money then of the families money is there money.

          • Viredae

            “also why would you want a stay at home wife/mom.”

            Gee, I wonder why would I want my children to have actual parents, it’s almost like I want them to be functional human beings.

            “Also under islamic law lets say you die the finical burned fall to your eldest son and then if he dies the next eldest. even if the wife has a job her money is her money then of the families money is there money”

            Whoever told you that needs to actually pick up a book, because that is completely incorrect.

            In Islamic law, if there is a financial inheritance left by the father, only then is money taken from that to repay debt, otherwise, the debt is cleared as far as Islamic law is concerned, so yes, the kids may not be as well off as they once were, but you don’t actually “inherit” debt from your father.

          • Tag

            You can have both parents working and still have functional kids. having one person stay past the time when the kid is five just doesn’t make sense.

          • Viredae

            What doesn’t make sense is your aruing out of incredulity here.

          • Tag

            Because it 2014 not 1814 and it doesn’t take some one back at home full time to raise kids and tend to the home. also it values me more on my ablity to provide rather than my worth as a person

          • Viredae

            “Because it 2014 not 1814 and it doesn’t take some one back at home full time to raise kids and tend to the home”

            Really? Have we actually managed to change the nature of children in the past 2 centuries for it to be any easier to actually take care of them?

            And before you say school, consider that homeschooling is probably the best current option, and even then, the day has 24 hours in it, school takes 6, and sleep takes 8, if you notice, that leaves 10 hours in a day, then we add everything else:

            -vacuuming 3+ rooms
            -cooking for 3+ individuals
            -cleaning any bathrooms
            -laundry
            -etc.

            This is all one day’s work, and please recall that you cannot half-ass the job, since the husband is the only person who can file for divorce under Islamic law and he is the one in charge of the house, therefore he has legitimate grievance when his children’s benefits are undermined, he also is the default custody holder in case divorce IS reached, also, there is no such thing as alimony or child support under Islamic law.

            And these are the responsibilities I can think of off the top of my head.

            So can you please tell me how this isn’t an equivalent contract?

          • Tag

            Or not get married and not have have kids. its still fucked. you are white washing it.

          • Viredae

            Hmmmm, what was it that I said at first?

            “This also renders the excuse of traditional gender roles being “restrictive” completely ridiculous, as nobody is actually forcing men to, so to speak, “sign the contract”; you don’t like the product? Don’t buy it, stay home and watch porn for all anyone cares.

            As for what I was replying to?

            “Essentially a woman under those laws has no facial responsibility to pay taxes or settle her debts. those responsibilities would fall on the man”

            I have no beef with you for not wanting to get married, my beef is simply with the fact that you’re misinformed about the nature of marriage in that environment.

          • 2cyar

            “I have no beef with you for not wanting to get married, my beef is
            simply with the fact that you’re misinformed about the nature of
            marriage in that environment.”

            People are still misinformed about the nature of marriage in THIS environment. I would describe it as a bait and switch and men usually don’t find out what contract they signed until it is too late. Even when they are told, they can’t believe it. I think that everyone should have to take a class given by a divorce lawyer and VAWA expert, and maybe sit in on family court proceedings before being granted a marriage license.

          • Viredae

            True, that’s pretty much the entire reason this whole movement (among others) exists in the first place.

          • Rob

            i may be able to help you clarify your point.

            what is said in law and what implemented by the courts are usually two different things influenced by various interested parties and other bias.

            eg law says divorce must be fair to both parties.
            reailty – well we all know that isn’t so.

          • Rob

            “This is all one day’s work, and please recall that you cannot half-ass
            the job, since the husband is the only person who can file for divorce
            under Islamic law and he is the one in charge of the house, therefore he
            has legitimate grievance when his children’s benefits are undermined,
            he also is the default custody holder in case divorce IS reached, also,
            there is no such thing as alimony or child support under Islamic law.””

            I’m going to call total bullshit on this.

            men or women can file for divorce under sharia( not islamic) law

            men are default custody holder – absolute bullshit !

            its the mother. I found a report two years ago in my former wife legal papers( she is a civil and sharia lawyer) from an organisation called sis( sisters of islam). they reported that in various islamic countries men lost custody of children even if they are the main chidlcarer( the argurement of childcarers in the west for custody). even if the wife was the main breadwinner, the men still lost . Fathers can be custodians of adult children but not children, but it rarely happens

            under sharia law mothers can lose cusody if they interfere with visitation, but it is rarely enforced. if mother loses custody it goes to another female in her family. thats why there are cases of 80 year old custodians who are the childs gran or great grandma.

            also,
            “he also is the default custody holder in case divorce IS reached, also,
            there is no such thing as alimony or child support under Islamic law.”- again absolute BS.

            divorce is reached- divorce cannot be denied indefinilty to either party.
            only the man can be divorced for not providing.only allowed two exceptions for man mental incapacity or bankrupty.

            if man wants a second wife he needs first wife permision( my late father in law had two wives)

            there is alimony and child support ( where the f**k are you getting your info from ?????). see above info from report from sis where divorced husband pays alimony and child support even is he was the at home dad and wife was main breadwinner.The sharia court will set the amount

            in the few rare cases where fathers get custody, its down to one of several factors – mother is unislamic and there are no other female family members to be custodian. my own lawyer wanted to make my own mother the custodian of my own daughter.

            – where the fathers family is much more powerful than that of the wife, this applies more to gulf societies where religion and politics mix.

            my sources

            SIS
            my former wife sharia lawyer
            my own sharia lawyer for divorce.
            personal experience.

            all this from across at least 3 muslim / islamic countries that practice sharia law.

          • Viredae

            So I checked, and yes it seems women are more favored for custody, but only if they don’t remarry.

            “if man wants a second wife he needs first wife permision( my late father in law had two wives”

            Actually, no he doesn’t, it’s a dick move if he does that though, please provide a link to the source.

            “divorce is reached- divorce cannot be denied indefinilty to either party.”

            [citation needed]

            “there is alimony and child support ( where the f**k are you getting your info from ?????). see above info from report from sis where divorced husband pays alimony and child support even is he was the at home dad and wife was main breadwinner.The sharia court will set the amount”

            [citation needed]

            There is no alimony because the wife returns to her family’s custody.

            If you want to debate veracity of laws, please provide evidence from Hadith or Quran or a source that links to either, otherwise, I’ll just consider you a shit stirring troll from this point on and dismiss your claims.

          • Rob

            you want citation, then go and find yourself a sharia lawyer

            i did and got exactlly the above, from bioth my ex and my current lawyer

            “Actually, no he doesn’t, it’s a dick move if he does that though, please provide a link to the source.”

            husband needs permsision from wife- its in every sharia law state.

            my own sister law checked up on this becuase she thought her hsuabnd had done this until the sharia court said not even legal without her permission( in writing)

            it was the same for my father in law , his wife gave written permsision( malaysia)

            second marriage not accepted if wife has not signed legal document

            “There is no alimony because the wife returns to her family’s custody.”

            bullshit – provide your own citation-

            divorced women do NOT go back to their own family that why they demand maintainence

            “So I checked, and yes it seems women are more favored for custody, but only if they don’t remarry.”

            dum dum – women get automatic cutody- example look up bahraini law( its sharia) if you don’t understand

            i went through the sharia court system.

            the sharia tried to set the amount in my case until my ex underminded herself for DV

            you are the shit troll – since I have a lot more expreience than you on this

            you keep demanding citastion to Hadith or Quran. why don’t you provide it???
            BTW – sharia law trumps all of these since it is the legal interpretation. see.. you couldn’t even get the description of law correct its sharia NOT islamic.

            you are just so pissed because you thought you could be a smart ass and you got caught out.

            have you actaqully praticed sharia law or even been through the sharia law system????

            ffs stop reading wiki – its not realible

          • Viredae

            [citation needed]

          • Rob

            No
            I have already provided links- read ffs

            and yet you just quote wikipedi( the unrealible source)
            you can’t provide a realiable citation, but you use that excuse.

            so.

            a) go to a mosque and ask, then go to a sharia lawyer who will provide you the law of the land and how it actually works.
            b) go through a sharia court yourself- again you haven’t i have

            you could provide some thing much better- or just continue to look a fool or contunue to call others a shit troll

            you lost viredea- you got called out and now you are just a sore loser.

            try walking into your local mosque and ask the Iman( or are you not allowed in?)

          • 2cyar

            I have three kids and my wife and I have both worked throughout their entire lives. Our kids have never been to day care or looked after by any non-relative and only occasionally taken care of by extended family. How did that happen? That’s right…it was because I played as much (I think more) a role in raising our children as my wife did and I don’t regret any of it. I don’t understand what women are complaining about because I would have loved the opportunity to be a stay at home dad – much easier and more fun and rewarding to me than slaving away at some trivial pursuit for ‘the (wo)man’ in the rat race. Unfortunately that wasn’t possible because I also filled the traditional male role of breadwinner and bill payer while my wife’s money was her own to do with as she pleased. I don’t think my situation is that unique. And still, I could have been ripped from my home and children’s lives and been reduced to a paycheck provider at any time my wife took a fancy to someone else.. and I always felt the pressure of that injustice…that no matter what I did it was never good enough in the eyes of the law…that I would always be kept disposable for the benefit of women and the state. My wife, like most women, was also fully aware of that gun she had pointed at me knowing she could pull the trigger whenever she wanted to and she played it. Somehow I squeaked through without suffering the fate that so many other men do and my kids have grown up now and the shotgun has turned into a pellet gun and my wife’s attitude and behavior has changed drastically as a result but I won’t forget and I don’t want my son or any other men to have to endure what I did for my kids sake.

            Men have done their part for women’s liberation and now it is time for women to do the same for men. Men don’t need Zara Faris. Emma Watson should be starting a SheForHe campaign now, not trying to turn the screws on men even tighter

          • Shamednomore

            It would seem the success of your marriage is, in part, due to your high level of tolerance and your wife not having an overly itchy trigger finger. And I was told all you need is love?

          • 2cyar

            My dad left when I was about 5 years old. I know what that is like and I swore to myself that I would never do that to my kids if I ever had any. It’s just how I was programmed. I know for a fact that our ‘marriage’ would have been so much better for all of us without feminism giving her that gun and her attitudes. Sadly, there were times that my kids begged me to divorce her but they didn’t understand what would happen to them if I did. If we want to save relationships and families, we need to eject the feminized state and abolish ‘marriage’ IMO.

          • Shamednomore

            Sorry you had to endure a difficult marriage for the sake of the kids. Men know how to sacrifice well… as Warren Farrell said “men are more willing [than women] to stay in a loveless relationship.

            My marriage was heading down the same path (daughter 5 and a HPD wife) I had decided I made my bed and now I had to lie in it. Hunkered down and accepted my fate, but my ex decided to leave the marriage and it was over. That was 14 years ago. It was tough at first but after a while I learned she did me a great favour, she freed me from a failing marriage, I would never have left myself.

            I hear you about society’s gynocentrism and feminism…I wish my ex was not given the gun either. It was ironic though, about a year after she fired the gun she came back on two occasions in an attempt to get the marriage back on the road again. I said no both times.

          • Rob

            “having one person stay past the time when the kid is five just doesn’t make sense.”

            depends on the situation for the child, if they require more parental support and if there is not enough specialist help for them.

          • Rob

            under islamic law, the mother or wife assests are completely hers and not part of the marriage( which is why divorce is a nightmare). Any male children would be expected to look after his mother and any sisters( until their are married). He gets to keep all the inheritance of the father in return for this obligation otherwise the inheritance can be shared out amongst all.

            all this come from a time when women did not work but carried any wealth usually in the form of jewellery ( from the time of bedouins).

            once the cirumstances changed , the rules didn’t since Islam carries the concept of predestiny( knowing everything that can/will happen)

            so much of islam is intertwined with arabic/middle east culture which is why is does not always fit in with different cultures around the world.

          • G’Quan

            And what if you want children and a family without taking on the burden of sole responsibility? If the choice is “wage slave or no family”, that is restrictive. Islamic culture has a tendency, even more than most, to try and limit options so that the only way for a man to achieve fatherhood is to accept a lot of heavy burdens with it that aren’t shared with the mother.

          • Tag

            basically

          • George Carty

            Actually, it’s “wage slave or no sex” since Shari’ah forbids sex outside of marriage (punishment 100 lashes IIRC).

          • 2cyar

            In that sense, Marriage in Islam the west is nothing more than a contract “give me kids and sex, as well as caretaking service of house and said kids,
            and, I, the man, do solemly swear to take care of the financial burdens and give up all of my rights.

          • Tag

            Yep

          • Viredae

            Translation: “I don’t like that part that contradicts my ideology, so I’ll just ignore it!”

          • 2cyar

            She is forced to defend the Islamic way of life because of the Feminist West’s cultural imperialism. We should wait and see how all this shit finally plays out over here before trying to force it on the rest of the world.

          • Rob

            “Yes, a husband is forced the responsibility to shoulder his wife’s
            burden, but in return he gets final say in the home, including divorce,”

            if you are reffering to islam then you would be so so wrong.

          • Viredae

            From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_Islam)

            “In the laws of Islam (sharia) there are three kinds of divorce, each with separate rules. When a man has initiated a divorce, the procedure is called ṭalāq (Arabic:الطلاق‎). When a husband accuses his wife of adultery without supplying witnesses and the wife denies it, the process is called li’ān. (Arabic: لعان‎) [1] When a woman has initiated a divorce it is called khula (Arabic: خلع‎). Talaq is easily obtained, while obtaining khula is typically quite difficult”

            And

            “Women’s right to initiate divorce is very limited compared with that of men. According to shari’a law, there are two reasons for a wife to be divorced: when she can prove that the husband did not have intercourse with her for more than two months or if the husband does not provide her with what she needs for living such as food and shelter”

            So no, I am not wrong.

          • Rob

            wrong wiki is very unrelaible

            talaq, talaq, talaq

            is just a saying meaning appoximatley – i divorce you, i divorce you, i divorce you.

            it has to be said three times , BUT – its not even legal. thats the stereotype for people like yourself

            you must go to a court and state it and still you have to file a legal petion for divorce.( you do realise that sharia court have moved into the 21st century)

            “Women’s right to initiate divorce is very limited compared with that of
            men. According to shari’a law, there are two reasons for a wife to be
            divorced: when she can prove that the husband did not have intercourse
            with her for more than two months or if the husband does not provide her
            with what she needs for living such as food and shelter””

            absolute crap- woman has more reasons.

            the man can also use the intercourse reason

            she can also use Domestic violence or any kind inlcuding not being alowed to see children.

            she can claim she does not want him to have second wife

            she can also claim they have simply fallen out of love( that may be a strange concept to you but it happens and it is allowed)

            why are you so ignorant, relying on wikepideia |!!! or are you watching some old movie? or worse are you talking to a fem group??

            again go and ask a sharia lawyer or go though the system yourself.

            try this for starters( this is not an exclusive list )

            http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar/family/divorce/170649.html

            how about looking at what school of thought is applied??(Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafi)

            did you even coinsider that ?

            http://wmlawandpractice.com/2011/04/11/women%E2%80%99s-rights-in-islam-regarding-marriage-and-divorce/

            DIVORCE
            Divorce existed before Islam, but the
            advent of Islam made the divorce process much more favorable to women.
            Women’s property is not divided during a divorce.[58] Whatever a woman earns or is given before and during the course of the marriage remains her property if the marriage ends.[59]
            This prevents men from taking advantage of women’s property or wealth
            through marriage. On the other hand, the man’s property is divided if a
            divorce occurs according to the couple’s marriage contract.[60] A woman is entitled to support and maintenance from her former husband if she requires.[61]

            even the issue of polygamy is mixed

            you may qoute the hadith and quran as much as you like. But the law of the land applys FIRST( even if its the intrepetration of shaira in an islamic state)

            add
            http://www.islamawareness.net/Talaq/talaq_book.html

            but a very large number of Muslims is unaware of these teachings of lslam and because of the moral and social corruption a number of people put divorce to wrong and improper use by giving THREE divorces at one and the same time,

          • Ali Mehraspand

            Well, if that’s what is written in the Wiki, that’s totally fucked up. There are 3 types of divorce under Islamic law and it seems that the wikipedia censored one of them and replaced it with a made up adultery thing. All three are in general called طلاق. The three kinds are:

            1) Rojee رجعی

            2) Bayen بائن

            3) khul’e خلع

            Interesting. Wikipedia has censored the Bayen divorce, which is initiated by women and in Iran accounts for 90% of all the divorces.

            As a matter of fact, that khul’e divorce is a subcategory of Bayen divorce and some Islamic authorities put that under Bayen and Wikipedia is right to say it accounts for a small amount of divorces, but the level of deliberate misinformation is staggering, because guess what? In a khul’e divorce a woman gives up all of her financial rights and simply asks for a quick divorce, which is NOT what women do in general. Read this last paragraph one more time. Women do not go for khul’e divorce, they go for Bayen, something the wikipedia has censored.
            Now, when the husband initiates divorce, it’s called Rojee. You saying men have unlimited right to divorce and claiming there is no alimony and/or child support is completely false. Unless a man has paid all of a woman’s financial rights he cannot issue the Rojee divorce Islamic laws in all countries regarding these rights share Nafaqa and Mehrieh, Iran also has Ojrat almesl.
            How these laws are practiced culturally, is different from country to country. In a place like Iran, almost no man can divorce his wife given that it would constitute to a Rojee divorce and he has to pay the unaffordable amount of Mehrieh and Ojrat al Mesl, no questions asked.
            By the way, most Iranian men have been deceived by feminists and just like you, they think that under Islam, they are the ones that have the right to divorce, until they find out the truth the hard way. Again, most divorces are initiated by women in Iran.

        • Ken T

          I didn’t see anything like that in this video….. There must be more to the debate that isn’t included here…. I would also like to see the rebuttal (s).

          Traditionalism was the standard for hundreds of years and until feminism got here the world didn’t break…. but, again…. she is not asking you to convert, she is talking about her experiences.

          I am not in any way concerned with what Karen Straughn has to say on the topic, but I would really like to see the entirety of this Zara Faris debate. I didn’t get the same sense of her that you have expressed here. I’d like to see the whole debate so I can understand not only what you are talking about, but also where Zara is coming from…..

          It felt really good to see someone from so different a culture than that which I am familiar with talking about this subject…. I am down to follow the whole story….

          I will look it up and holler back in a couple days.

          • Tag

            You should check out karen struahg but also look at the comment below a debate was had

  • zenmanvolcano

    That was impressive.

  • Shrek6

    Yeah, seen this video before. She says a lot of true stuff to start with so she can suck people in, then goes on to detail the imprisonment of men under Islam.

    Early Christendom, was free of all the so-called male disposability and the idiotic ‘so-called traditional roles’ of today. Men and women were very much equal, even with regard responsibility and the consequences of their actions. Things changed dramatically after a thousand years.

    Once it got into the second millennium and the exiled Pope was in France, the Church became infected with the evil of chivalry and male disposability. As a consequence, this is what was introduced into modern western culture many hundreds of years later. Feminism has been able to use this against men very effectively.

    The only reason this woman hates feminism, is because it threatens her ‘gravy train’ that she is currently enjoying. She is hugely privileged as an Islamic woman and she knows it. Feminism could possibly bring all that unstuck. She has seen what the men in western countries are now doing, by buying out of relationships and leaving women on their own and barren. So she is now out on the front lines fighting to protect her right to have a man-slave, because she knows what Islamic men would do if feminism took a strong hold in Islamic countries.

    If you ask me, this video is just a cunning and deceitful attempt of a selfish woman doing all she can to protect her own privilege!

  • Tony Tang

    This shows how feminism works:
    When women are suffered,it’s men’s fault because men are the oppressors.
    When men are suffered,it’s men’s fault because patriarchy hurts men too.

  • Jack Strawb

    The first minutes are a significant data point towards demonstrating the thesis that feminism will do nothing to help men and women in theocracies and third world nations. Bravo, Zara.

    • Matthew Lane

      Why would that shock you? feminism will do nothing to help men and women in first world nations.

      • Jack Strawb

        Why do you think that shocks me?

    • Octavian

      Feminism will do about as much for women in those countries as Putin is doing for Russians right now.

      • smetana

        In other words, a lot?

  • Shamednomore

    I was just looking at sharia law and the punishment for adultery is “stoning to death” for both male and female. Odd, all these years I’ve only ever heard about women being stoned to death in Islamic cultures.

    • P. HJM

      Death penalty was the law in Europe for cheating for both male and female back then

      • Shamednomore

        Isn’t that funny… way back then… men and women being punished the same, for the exact same bad behaviour. I wonder how equally the punishment was meted out?

        • TrishRan

          In the 18th century, there were 200 capital crimes in the U.K., many we would consider minor (stealing a piece of ribbon or a pair of boots), and women were hung just like the men. Capital crime might not mean death – one might also be transported to the colonies in America & later, Australia.

          In the dark ages, when a lot of conflicts in communities were settled by judicial combat, there were rules to account for the differences in body strength of men & women – if a combat was between a man & a woman, the man was made to stand in a hole, to even out the advantage of his strength relative to hers.

          I think treating women offenders more gently than male offenders traces back to Victorian sentimentalizations of women as the “kinder, gentler” sex.

    • Rob

      got to correct you there. that was the penalty in some islamic cultures, but that does not apply to every islamic / muslim country. Seems to apply more to gulf countries rather than the rest of the islamic world( with some exceptions)

      • smetana

        Does every muslim country practice sharia law though?

        • Rob

          good question – it varies

          there is islamic state and muslim state

          so eg malaysia( where i lived) is a legal system based on common law with a sharia law framewrok for muslims. so whilst i was subject to common law like non muslims, i was also subjected to sharia law( which was not applied to non muslims) on things such as proximity laws to non related females, alcoho, marriage etc.

          then qatar and bahrain( where i also lived) is mcuh stricter and applies sharia law to non muslims( with exceptions such as pork consumption and alchol), so eg I coudl not hold my wife hand in public( no one could) without risk from the vice squad.

          my former wife being a lawyer in sharia law and civil law also went to iran for the UN as an orbserver for muslim womens rights, was subjected automatically to the modesty laws before she got off the plane, but did not need to do so in any other muslim/islamic country we went to.

          turkey is also different, it is a democratic secualr republic even though it is a muslim country.

          i would very much like to see sharia law replaced with common law as sharia law is simply contradictory and inconsistent with its own religous teachings. basically its not fit for purpose.

          the only positive aspect i can agree with is the financial system which distribute the risks amongst all parties and bans excessive interest(or indeed any) like the christian usuary. when the 2008 recession kicked in there was a big push to move more fianance over to sharia principles to reduce the impact of casino banking.

          being married to a sharia scholar and lawyer was a real eye opener.

          • smetana

            Good info, thanks.

      • Shamednomore

        Yes I see what you mean, there is a broad interpretation of sharia law among various Muslim countries. You mention gulf countries…I noticed while in the United Arab Emirates, the penalty for theft was cutting off one of your hands and I did see a few guys missing hands while in Dubai.

        • Rob

          shamed no more i can more complexity to the example you gave,

          one of my former neighbours served in the french foreign legion in iraq and the gulf. they were warned about breaking the law. they were reminded that for theft the hand was cut off, but if you were a foreigner (non arab or non muslim) your hand was instead crushed. sharia law is in a very bad state with so much contradiction. you have 4 schools of thought( intepretation). My former wife was well versed in two( the most prominent and used by business for middle east and the west) although companies inthe ME( arab and no arab) always used english civil law for contracts as they were better protected. every muslim i have met who was punished under sharia law was forntunatley only subjected to prison or fines.

    • Ninderthana

      In Iran, between about 2004 and 2013, 16 women and 10 men were sentenced to death by stoning for adultery. One women was stoned to death and one woman was hung for this “crime”, while eight men were either stoned to death or hung for the same “offence”.

      All the Western media was concerned about over this time period were the women who were sentenced to stoning for adultery. They did not care about the much greater number of men who were hung or stoned to death because of this “crime”.

      • Shamednomore

        Its a broken record, the media does not care about men being victimized. If we had gender equality the media and society would care about both genders equally. Not in this century!

  • ComradePrescott

    Calm your fucking tits. Yeah, she is a Muslim. What gave it away?

  • Dan Slezak

    This woman just snitched out the feminists, and she’s a Muslim. Bravo!

  • Rob

    I can back her up on this– with personal experience from the middle east and islam.
    try family courts sharia style- makes the west tame in comparison