Allow me to start by once again acknowledging the small minority of “MRAs” and their bedfellows, the vast majority of feminists, who steadfastly believe that people should be allowed to spread hate, bigotry and violent ambitions under the cover of anonymity, as long as they are female and/or feminist.
We have heard you, and we are unimpressed with your willingness to enable social decay. Perhaps though, as the lot of you continue to paint virulent feminists as a red herring, or imaginary villains concocted by MRAs as a scapegoats and boogeymen, you will take note of how easy it is to track these people down and document their actions, as well as their patently hateful rhetoric.
Now, for the rest of you, we begin to deliver on our promise to begin outing the identities of the individuals involved with the violent protest against the freedom of speech of Dr. Warren Farrell, and the freedom of University of Toronto students who wanted to attend Dr. Farrell’s sponsored lecture on the difficult issues faced by boys.
While we continue efforts to identify one particularly virulent participant in that protest, the investigation has uncovered information on some others.
We begin tonight with one Emma Claire (pictured above and apparently at 48 seconds into the video), a U of T student who was present at the protest, involved in its planning and participated in the destruction of posters announcing the event that were placed on campus. She also incited others to do the same using twitter.
I present the evidence against her courtesy of Agent Mauve, whose short description is in the bio section at the base of this article.
We start with her obvious knowledge of the event in advance and clear intent to illegally interfere with its promotion by organizers.
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Remember folks, feminism helps men, too.
At this point, we do not know the identity of Damey, Alec, or the person referred to as “I,” but we have added their names to Agent Mauve’s list of leads on people known to have participated in attempts to censor Dr. Farrell.
But before we go further, let us give you a little perspective on the ideas harbored and proclaimed with some degree of public pride by Claire. We begin with something that could easily be construed as the clownish antics of a college student. It is the simple proclamation that all men should be killed and a salute to Satan.
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Of course, as I said, this is just youthful foolishness, surely she does not believe in Satan.
But as her expression becomes less obviously comical and she gets into actual issues, we find that for Ms, Claire, many a true word has been said in jest.
The first is perhaps Ms. Claire’s revelation of what qualification a student organization must have in order for her to consider membership. Consider this post from her twitter account.
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On either taking or otherwise obtaining this photograph which features material that libels Dr. Farrell as a man perpetuating a culture in which the sexual assault of women by men is normalized and tolerated, which is patently, categorically untrue, Claire finds herself the qualifying conduct. She finds her deal breaker in the vicious and dishonest character assassination of an individual who has dedicated a lifetime to helping children in trouble.
And we make note for future reference that she finds that type of home at the organization known as U of T Students Against Sexism, who apparently produced the product Claire found so attractive.
And while it may seem superfluous to even posit the question now, we have to wonder what, precisely, would lead someone be attracted to that particular set of qualifications.
Some might argue again, that this is just a matter of ignorance and youth; that she is actually convinced Dr. Farrell is Satan incarnate, that he hates women, that he wants them to be raped with impunity by any man who so desires.
And she might believe all that, but the cause is not youth or ignorance. I will let her explain to you why.
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She doesn’t just hate men; doesn’t just want them dead or silenced or marginalized or ignored. She at least entertains the idea of permanently marking her skin with that hatred, like a convict signaling gang affiliation.
Are we starting to get the picture here of what kind of human being Claire is? I think so, and I think Claire is the one telling us, over and over again.
Let’s take a look at what is driving this woman. And remember, she is just part of a culture that embraces and gives refuge to this kind of thinking. She is not on the fringe of anything. She is an involved, activism oriented student, given free rein by her peers and the administration of the University of Toronto to engage openly in speech that would get her expelled, even arrested, were it directed at anyone but men; to participate in the destruction of private property on university grounds, and on those same grounds to attempt to illegally silence the voice of an activist for human rights.
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Emma Claire is not going to stop. And no one at the University of Toronto is going to stop her. We can figure that one out by the fact that they chartered clubs to enable that kind of conduct.
For that reason, we bring her to public attention here at AVfM.
Additionally, over the next two days, she will be listed on register-her.com as a known bigot, and her image and name will find a place on our display of featured offenders.
If this makes anyone at the University of Toronto uncomfortable, we hope they will show the wisdom of preventing the need for this kind of action by launching an investigation into that protest and properly disciplining any students or faculty who violated U of T policies and/or Canadian law.
In the meantime, we will show you a reminder of how Emma Claire feels about her actions, after she has had time to reflect on them.
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Actually, a proper legacy cannot be rendered to the world simply by being seen and unnamed on a video that does not reflect near enough of one’s ideas and actions. More is needed.
So this will be the beginning of Emma Claire’s real legacy; where she can revel in the full and permanent notice of her deeds, and the lesson she is providing to the world about the nature of feminism, and the etiology of hatred. And so that anyone who ever does an internet search on her name again will be aware of it.
Legacy sealed.
Another offender in this outrage in Toronto will be featured here within three days, also courtesy of Agent Mauve, whose work in this is ongoing.
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So my prediction that these hateful individuals (feminists) are actually evil and they knowingly plan and play out this plot was correct after all. It is now clear that they’re not misguided or controlled bots. They’re fully aware of what they are and what they’re doing.
Which means, they won’t correct themselves. This exposure just gives them a tingle of confirmation. The only benefit we can expect from this is public red pilling and more reasonable people seeing the truth and supporting our cause.
Great work Paul and Team. FTSU FTW.
Oooh, look, we upset Ophelia Benson as well as slander artist Futrelle:
Furthermore, shock of shocks, YouTuber St37One reports that two of these rapey comments appeared on one of his video from people he’d never heard of (neither have I) and within minutes were on Futrelle’s blog. Typhon Blue noticed right away one of them was an incredibly recently created account.
Hey, there’s good money in making sock puppets to slander innocent human rights activists like that. Or so I hear. Anyway, here’s St37One’s channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/St37One?feature=watch
Was cruising around FIRE’s website and stumbled upon this ironic link:
http://jezebel.com/5958993/racist-teens-forced-to-answer-for-tweets-about-the-nigger-president
Looks alarmingly similar to the “terrorism” of AVfM, decried so venomously by those selfsame feminists (even the format is eerily similar).
The school, in one case, responded:
“Addison’s words clearly do not reflect the values that we espouse and teach at Jackson Christian School, and are not representative of our broader school community. As such, we have visited with him about his actions and his attitude, and have disciplined him accordingly. As is our school policy, we will not share information about specific discipline cases.
Though we find Addison’s action and words deplorable, we hope that our continued encouragement and teaching will help him further avoid the mistakes of youth, and will help him to mature as a young man. I hope that you will be able to look beyond what he has done, and toward the man that he can and will become from this unfortunate learning experience.”
Men need re-education. Feminists need protecting. This is all so very familiar.
**EDIT: I also noticed that most of the real names and locations in the above linked article are minors, not college students.
It was remarkable how familiar the rhetoric was, particularly around one comment whose rebutters stated:
‘I just knew some asshole would show up with the ‘Freedom of Speech’ argument. Freedom of speech does not equal Freedom from consequences.’ (emphasis mine)
‘They are not free from consequences from the general public.’
How the tune changes when the boot is on the other foot. It’s not like the protesters in Toronto even had the excuse of being minors.
Absolutely. It’s not even the article that has the most delicious irony, it’s the comments where the real hypocrisy reigns. I’m curious whether those are the same commenters who piled on AVfM for this article.
Note the date: NOV 9, 2012 12:30 PM
Wicked short memory on these feminists.
I wonder if she will ever look at this? I wonder if she will ever be rejected for a job, and wonder if it was because this came up on a google search for her name? I wonder if in future years, she will regret the event she recorded her ‘legacy’ at.
I wonder, and I hope all of the above happen.
Action. Reaction. Consequences.
Welcome to a tiny part of the ‘equality’ feminism has been demanding for 50 years. Enjoy your stay, and get a job. If you can.
She was never destined for any job more taxing or productive than selling Birkenstock’s to other hairy, man-hating, lesbian separatists, with a decidedly violent personality.
Where it might hit her is in rejection for parental involvement at schools for her future artificial insemination/adoptive children. School boards get prickly about inviting well publicized, known bigots having access to that many plastic, malleable young minds and, the potential law suits from offended parents.
She will be welcomed into a completely bankrupt education system’s bureaucratic ranks as one of their own. This is why men should be autodidacts. The best ones always were.
The feminist HR would count it as a plus point.
I expect she will get work in a femcozy field such as social work or a women’s studies department at a uni or maybe even in a refuge. I doubt you’ll ever see her homeless and begging on a street corner.
Oh she’s looked. Also tweeted at me then blocked me from responding.
Now here’s the interesting thing: people are accusing Paul and Agent Mauve (and the rest of us I guess) of “doxxing” her. How do you “doxx” someone who’s already public with their name and face and quite vocal both online and off with their activism? The mind boggles.
I can only conclude that the real issue here is she’s female and people don’t take females seriously, and think women deserve auto-protection no matter what the fuck they do or say. That’s what it looks like anyway: infantalizing adult women because they’re, well, because they’re women.
I’ll say it here again what I’ve said elsewhere: if Emma Claire asserts that anything here is a lie, let her come forward and say so and make some reasonable effort to show how and why she feels it’s a lie or misrepresentation, and I’ll put it on the goddamned front page. And if she’s just been misunderstood and quoted out of context, surely she can show us the context that renders her statements understandable? If she can, she gets a public front page apology and, if it’s egregious enough a misunderstanding (i.e. clearly willful misrepresentation by Paul or by Agent Mauve) I will not only apologize I’ll fucking resign and never come back.
I’ve been quoted out of context and made to look like I’d said things I didn’t. I’ve also been badly misunderstood. I’ve also misspoken and embarrassed myself. All of those are painful feelings and I feel for anyone that happens to, even someone I don’t like. If that’s what’s happened here there’s a super duper easy fix for it: come forth and say “you guys got me totally wrong, and here’s why.”
Or maybe even a “you know what, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean those things, I was drunk at the time.” I might even buy that. Maybe. A little. It’s not like drunk driving or anything. I’ve said dumb shit when I was drunk. Although I still had to apologize for it.
Anyway? Until then? What I see here is a pampered privileged White Middle Class Princess angrily asserting her privilege to censor, slander, demean, and spew hatred. It’s what I see. If we got you wrong, Emma, just let us know.
I am sure you will sleep well Claire.
Wow,considering the vast amount of hate she has expressed towards other human beings I think you are being MORE than fair with this offer.
I don’t know that I would be willing or able to converse with such a hateful and self-absorbed creature as Emma….
Anyone reading this can see that you are beyond reasonable when it comes to being open-minded.
Kudos
They keep saying all feminists are not like that……..so I ask them……if not…..why does the shit always float to the top…..and it can only be because it is supported and held up by the rest of sludge in the cesspool
Yes, and if ‘all feminists aren’t like that’ why aren’t the others kicking her ass?
I’ve been asking that same question on numerous occasions, and the answer is that most feminists are quite content with believing that they, at least, are not like that.
The ‘teamspirit’ of these women generally doesn’t go beyond that point, ’cause next in line on their extensive hatelist are actually other women, who are seen as rivals and competitors.
The fact that this indicates that they basically thrive on hate, seems to completely escape their comprehension.
But then again, self examination has never been a requirement for being a feminist, just the firm belief that you are far superior to anyone else, and always in the right.
Misogyny: The radical notion that a man could ever hate a woman even half as much as every other woman does.
Yeah.
“Thou shall not do as I do, but do as I say.”
A-frikin-men!
When I hear a feminist claim that “Not All Feminists Are Like That” it usually means that the person saying it has some personal definition for feminism that doesn’t jibe with the mainstream movement,
I don’t think that matters though, because they do harm just by supporting the mainstream feminist hate movement.
I also think about all the huge advances in medicine, rocket science and automotive engineering that were brought to the world by the The National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Read: Nazi’s).
I don’t imagine that all of the doctors, scientists and engineers involved with the Nazi Party really believed in what the Political Party Leaders did, nonetheless, they were Nazi’s.
Accountability is not avoided through ignorance.
Just a hunch: Agent Mauve read The ODESSA File by Frederick Forsyth???
Welcome to the real world princess.
Her legacy? How dramatic! How coolish! How tragic!
Blech.
Does her use of this phrase mean she is plotting her own faux suicide, like that piece of shit Femitheist Divine?
She does sort of look a bit like Femitheist – same wide face, hamster cheeks, outsized mouth, bad makeup, crazed eyes, crazier brain.
To the gentlemen of Toronto – steer clear of this harpy. When she talks to you, pretend to be deaf/mute. When she flashes side-boob, look elsewhere. When she slut walks, have your vomit bag ready.
And when she damsels, pretend to run for help, then go get a burger instead.
The crazy is strong in this one.
If you have to be around her, outfit yourself with an ankle monitor and a video feed so that when the false accusations begin, you can protect yourself with solid proof of your innocence.
This one has a broken glass vagina, razor teeth and brimstone butt fumes. Don’t let your penis anywhere near this girl.
There are plenty of sane women in the world. There are even a few feminists who are not completely insane – I met one once as a kid. This is not one of them.
You have been warned. Be prepared, and be careful.
Sad as it may sound, there are men who actually fancy women like her and believe that they are a challenge to chat up and have a ‘relationship’ with.
Just goes to show that men are as crazy as women. I personally couldn’t imagine any vagina being golden enough to be worth putting up with that attitude.
That kind of “strong” is in the same kind of way fundamentalists are strong for Allah or Octopus Jesus.
Strong for dogma is not actual strength, it is the attempt to annihilate the concept of it. The only thing more messed up than believing in that dogma, is holding a moral code that leads one to desire those believers romantically.
A similar thing happens with murderers and the panty-wet fan-clubs they garner.
She describes herself as a “queer pinko lefty”. Any guys would be barking up the wrong tree! lol
I’d bet she is a “LUG” – “lesbian until graduation”. Once she is out and about in the real world, the men with their overstuffed wallets are going to start looking really good to her. Female sexual orientation is generally more fluid than male because men can commit to their ideals while women commit to their shoe collections.
That is one of the many reasons both men and women should avoid monsters like her.
Personally speaking even if she was full on hetero now you would have to be a total wuss to sleep with her. Personally I don’t care how pretty a woman is because if she has attitudes like she does she is too ugly for me period. The last time my body started to betray me that way despite my better judgement – I gave up a fantastic job, flat and moved to another city to get myself out of harms way. It worked – I started over and rebuilt my life with my dignity and self respect intact.
Hi, first time post but fairly long time reader!
I honestly think with people like that there is no reasoning with them as their conditioning has been so expertly imbedded in their conscience that anything that goes against their train of thought you get a programmed response.
I really do agree with the naming and shaming of these bigots (there is no other polite way to put it I feel) as they are in all honesty a danger not only to men and boys but also decent and unaware members of the public.
Welcome!
It is astounding that there are so many MRAs who, because they were never part of grad programs in the humanities, refuse to acknowledge the anti-male agenda that is almost universally promoted according to the Frankfurt School Marxism agenda. I was involved with this group in various contexts for decades. The Clawar Pivin plan and the exploitation of illegal immigrants as a means to destabilize “Patriarchal capitalism” we always on the table. “You are the hunted,” one young very bright colleague tenure track English professor, whom I always regarded as one of the brightest students, let me know. The universities are stuffed to the gills with organized, talented, state- or NGO-funded “change agents.”
“The universities are stuffed to the gills with organized, talented, state- or NGO-funded ‘change agents.’”
You’ve seen it too, eh? I went back to college with a “live and let live” attitude, but that attitude is non-existent in the Marxist-feminist lead classrooms of liberal studies curriculum as shown in “Marxist Valley College” at Youtube. http://tinyurl.com/44btbq8 It’s odd to be name-called a “right wing extremist,” when you’ve always considered yourself pretty middle of the road. You darn-straight they’re running an agenda, a far-left Marxist-feminist agenda.
Also I forgot to add that these sort of people have a self absorbed nature and that the world and all of the problems revolve and affect them personally.
It’s very interesting that the likes of Bertrand Russell predicted this sort of behaviour in some of his book 80 odd years ago.
When I saw the nose ring I started jumping for joy, until I noticed it was on the wrong side.
Glad we caught this pirana. I can’t wait to haul in the shark!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/851/542/717/stop-state-funding-to-feminism-and-all-female-only-programs/
Well done to Agent Mauve for outing this harpy. I suppose U of T actually taking disciplinary action against her is out of the question? However, could there be any other form of official action taken? i.e. failure to protect students wishing to attend Dr. Farrell’s from being put in fear? or liable for false claims against Dr. Farrell or slander for calling the student on the receiving end of Harpy’s rant a rapist etc.?
She may well end up working in an HR department, or she may apply somewhere where the HR manager has two young sons, and may not be of the mind that hatred for them is something a good employee would want tattooed on her knuckles. Matters not to me as the point is not to go after her employment. It is her problem.
Our point is to send a message to her, her cohorts and the U of T administration that systemic and institutionally supported violence, destruction of property and interference with free speech at that school will at least be documented and disseminated, among other things.
The administration is likely too arrogant to care about that, but then again they don’t have to live in their students skins for the rest of their lives.
I think we are going to become quite familiar with that school around here.
“The administration is likely too arrogant to care about that..”
Let’s see how they feel in a year or so, when canadian parents sending their kids to uni makes a google search on U of T, and all of this is revealed to them.
And how many times these bigots have to explain their behavior to any possible place of employment, for the rest of their lives.
That university is going to look horribly unattractive to a lot of rational-minded prospective students if they don’t act swiftly to bring justice.
For news of the university’s administration then deliberately refusing to discipline their own on campus thuggish feminist hatemongers WILL spread like wildfire. It’ll be a public relations disaster for them, especially after on the ground MRAs have posterized the fact on fences and lamp posts around the campus, blogged, tweeted and generally advertised the sordid events nationally and internationally…… seriously FTSU bigtime.
Then market forces will whip their arrogant violence enabling misandric asses.
Yes it’ll be most interesting to see how long they can hold the line. It doesn’t matter how like minded the Canadian Government is – if their enrolments drop, then funding levels cannot be justified.
It’ll be fun watching them try and squirm their way out of this one….
I have a simple question.
Has anyone ever sued any of these universities for having a hostile learning enviroment for men at the school?
Shit. I hope I worded that correctly. Not that good of a writer.
Yes. Tom Martin.
Story in Forbes (good comments section).
Found this posted on my FACEBOOK this morning from a “friend”…
I keep asking “Where are all the mothers in all this mess” and I think I found my answer….
Inner Guide Empowerment shared Inner Guide Empowerment’s photo.
Thursday
TWENTY THINGS A MOM SHOULD TELL HER SON
1. Play a sport.
It will teach you how to win honorably,
lose gracefully, respect authority,
work with others, manage your time
and stay out of trouble.
And maybe even throw or catch.
2. You will set the tone
for the sexual relationship,
so don’t take something away from her
that you can’t give back.
3. Use careful aim when you pee.
Somebody’s got to clean that up, you know.
4. Save money when you’re young
because you’re going to need it someday.
5. Allow me to introduce you
to the dishwasher, oven,
washing machine, iron,
vacuum, mop and broom.
Now please go use them.
6. Pray and be a spiritual leader.
7. Don’t ever be a bully
and don’t ever start a fight,
but if some idiot clocks you,
please defend yourself.
8. Your knowledge and education is something
that nobody can take away from you.
9. Treat women kindly.
Forever is a long time to live alone
and it’s even longer to live with somebody
who hates your guts.
10. Take pride in your appearance.
11. Be strong and tender at the same time.
12. A woman can do everything that you can do.
This includes her having a successful career
and you changing diapers at 3 A.M.
Mutual respect is the key to a good relationship.
13. “Yes ma’am” and “yes sir”
still go a long way.
14. The reason that they’re called “private parts”
is because they’re “private”.
Please do not scratch them in public.
15. Peer pressure is a scary thing.
Be a good leader and others will follow.
16. Bringing her flowers for no reason
is always a good idea.
17. It is better to be kind
than to be right.
18. A sense of humor
goes a long way
in the healing process.
19. Please choose your spouse wisely.
My daughter-in-law will be the gatekeeper for me
spending time with you and my grandchildren.
20. Remember to call your mother
because I might be missing you.
I posted in their comments section: Please choose your spouse wisely – she has all the rights in Family court. YOU may end up in prison.
” You will set the tone
for the sexual relationship,
so don’t take something away from her
that you can’t give back.”
wut.
“Treat women kindly.”
Just women?
“A woman can do everything that you can do.”
Most of the list tends to contradict you lady. Women cannot do everything a man can do if they’re not held to the same standard.
There you go using logic again.
Stop it. You make it difficult to be all misogynisty.
It is astonishing how few people, men or women, are capable of recognising what such foolish, fluffy, feel good but don’t think, type of posts actually say about the posters view on women and their abilities.
Oh but you’ve missed the best one in the list:
‘It is better to be kind than to be right.’
If you saw the stuff on the rest of the site, you’d soon realize it’s a “Feminist” site posing as a male site.
It doesn’t look as toxic here posted by itself…
>4. Save money when you’re young
because you’re going to need it someday.
What she meant to say was “Save money when you’re single, because your future wife is going to need your money someday.”
I certainly recognize the sexism in this list, however, I don’t find the list itself to be especially sexist or misandric when considering it is advice from mother to son.
If the sentiment shown here was the core tenets of feminism, and, if similar advice were given to daughters, citing the different aspects of relations with men, I think it would be something I would get behind without hesitation.
The sexist undertones on this list may be mildly misandric, but, the advice itself is good.
I read the list and I see no hate, which to me is a good thing
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Here’s a question I don’t see anyone asking or answering…
How is this any different, in any way, from a mainstream media reporter that investigates a story? How is this any different from a newseditor doing a ‘profile piece’ on some of the more prominent protesters?
Or is it another case of ‘that’s different’…because we’re outing feminist hate?
Food for thought….
Is it different at this stage? Yes, and here’s why. With where things are at, this is a first strike which throws a group of feminists on the backfoot. They’ll need time to recover (paw widduw Emma is now chaning her twitter handle faster than Imelda Marcos changed pairs of shoes) and they’re currently regrouping. That gives us time to set the tone, not only in moving forward, but standing our ground when they charge back at us and then press the advantage.
When you’re dealing with the mainstream media though, it’s an assault where you’re reacting and on the backfoot.
Don’t mistake prudence for timidity
.
Well, Sir Factory, the difference is that a mainstream reporter won’t profile a hateful feminist in an honest way.
Silly man.
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That is where I think your mistake is. There is no such thing as perfect strategy, especially when provocation is your tool of the trade.
We have to punch, counterpunch, duck and fade, dodge bullets, play the media vs appealing to them, because no matter what we do we won’t EVER appeal to a media financed by female consumerism.
We (here, anyway) are street fighters going against olympic trained boxers.
There is nothing perfect about any of this. We do our best, but there are holes in every strategy. So we just do our best.
I am comfortable I have done that here, with some help from Agent Mauve.
You’ll get no argument from me that it’s an uphill battle. At the same time though this seems like a unique opportunity (dealing heavy blows and doing so fairly under the radar at this stage I might add) and it would be a pity if there wasn’t some strategic advantage that we could have pressed or ground we could have solidified our hold on, because of something we missed is all.
All in all though, between this and the reaction and response some of us have had on the rapebook page, I’d call this a pretty productive 24 hours for our little group heh.
Mainstream media is biased, sometimes the only thing true in a newspaper is the date.
The mainstream media has no credibility because of its bias towards the left. It’s exhausting trying to expose them. Any coverage at all of leftist causes (OWS as an example), only serves to show the lunacy as self-evident, if you’re paying attention that is.
The New Journalist of the New Media is the only one anyone trusts anymore.
Goodness gracious me.
The cat that dragged in this vicious virago must be going at it with the Listerine like Karen Silkwood in emergency scrub-down.
No doubt, right about now, these twats on Twitter will be spitting chips and chipping nails on their pink iPones while they furiously peck at the wee perspex. Ha flaming ha.
Steve_85 put it smartly with:
“I wonder if she will ever look at this? I wonder if she will ever be rejected for a job, and wonder if it was because this came up on a google search for her name? I wonder if in future years, she will regret the event she recorded her ‘legacy’ at. – I wonder, and I hope all of the above happen.” and the answer is a yes to all of his rhetorical questions.
She might regret her legacy not now, but surely as rain from a black cloud she will when the, “Dont call us, we’ll call you” is the last she hears at the interview/s.
Thank you Paul and Agent Mauve, and may these harridans have their filthy networks of bigotry rest in pieces.
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We know with fair certainty that men are no more violent than women are, despite the culture-wide misandry that Emma Claire embraces which tells us the opposite.
We also know with great statistical weight that men have a very strong aversion to violence towards females and prefer to target other men instead. The more likely outcome of naming and shaming violent, abusive, Stalinist thugs is that one of us be physically attacked or killed than that anyone would ever put so much as a finger on her hate-soaked face. That’s Female Privilege, something that feminists of her ilk utterly deny exists but is very real (how much of it being cultural and how much of it biological being up for debate).
She made herself a public figure. If this were a male would anyone hesitate to name him? Of course not, even though he’d be more than twice as likely to be physically assaulted or killed.
Any time anyone chooses to speak in public they take a small risk of some nutjob coming after them. Men being at more risk than women when it comes to that (QED). Were any person, male or female, to use violence against this Stalinist thug, that person would be an enemy of men everywhere and an enemy of the men’s rights movement. But the far, far greater likelihood, statistically, is that she will injure herself and then claim to have been attacked.
In short: not worried about it. No reason to be. She’s more likely to be struck by lightning than to be attacked by one of us. I’m more worried she’ll arrange to have one of us hurt or killed, or fake an injury on herself to get more attention. But if we don’t start naming and shaming the Stalinists, they get to keep doing what they’re doing under the cover of “I’m a girl, I’m helpless and harmless!” Fuck that and fuck her.
Do not enable malignant hypoagency out of fear. That’s your primitive instincts talking, not your rational thought processes. (I say that with all due respect and sympathy; the White Knight impulse affects us all, and while it may have at one time been useful, it’s now just as toxic as this violent, abusive, Stalinist thug Emma Claire’s hate-ideology.)
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We’re doing her and others a favor by showing that actions have consequences. This is a valuable life lesson for anybody claiming to be an adult.
please take your concern-trollery elsewhere, it’s fucking tedious
“We’re doing her and others a favor by showing that actions have consequences. This is a valuable life lesson for anybody claiming to be an adult.”
Agreed. I’d say that this applies to the largest majority number of so-called adults, of either sex, that I’ve met.
“please take your concern-trollery elsewhere, it’s fucking tedious”
Pissing on newbs does not lead to growing numbers.
I have and have had the same concern for long-term political perception. That you refer to it as tedious is as sure an indication that there’s an objection that isn’t being responded to–over and over and over.
If the squeak annoys you, perhaps it’s an opportunity to find out where something in the system can be oiled.
The line between being active and assertive, and being unfairly perceived as hostile and dangerous can be a fine one to navigate. When in public, I often speak with the full knowledge that the least of my comments can and will be blown out of proportion and in the most vitriolic and hostile light possible.
The fine art of communications discipline and awareness never harms.
Did you feel big putting the guy down like that.??
As it happens I also support Paul’s position and decisions (not that he needs it) on this issue. What I don’t support is public smackdowns of a guy for expressing his heartfelt opinions and concerns especially when his areas of disagreement or concern were all politely expressed and well explained. That just smacks of playing to the crowd – something which bowspearer certainly can not be accused of.
I take your concern seriously, even if others think you a “concern troll.” I don’t think you are one, I think you’re genuinely worried. That said, we have made our staunch opposition to any form of violence for the men’s movement so abundantly clear in so many places, we have no responsibility for the (extremely slim, very nearly nil) chance that someone will hurt her. Far more likely she’ll be surrounded for weeks by White Knight fools who think her a victim, and she’ll be relishing every minute of it while pretending fear. And, far more likely she’ll fake an injury, like Sasha Wiley-Shaw did.
Rest assured your concern is noted, and already thought hard about. The only harm she’s likely to come to is if she hurts herself. Well that and the long-term shame and infamy of being outed as a Stalinist hatemonger.
She put those comments out. She took part in the violence. She needs to face the consequences the same as a man would: as an adult, not a child who gets away with murder because she’s a girl. Fuck her.
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It’s difficult to overcome that initial instict “oooh leave her alone, she’s just a young woman”, but it’s that exact sentiment that has led us down this path. It’s time more men realized that these women are active agents of a system that cares nothing for you and your sons.
Well said.
It is quite a process to take away from the rote and often unreasonable concerns over women, and to fully dedicate the concern to what is happening to men.
I am 55, have worked on this for decades and I STILL struggle with my inner white knight, and with the rounds of “what if this or that?” and “what will people think?” I see filling bowspearers posts to this.
I totally get it, and feel it as well.
I have to sometimes force myself to remember that while I might worry about what happens to some 20 year old asshole skating through an arts program on beer, weed and gender politics, that the only violence that has happened here was against men and against the principle of free speech.
If someone ever does get hurt, it is a hundred times more likely to be me or you than the cute little lipstick feminist. And in the extremely unlikely event that someone did something stupid toward her, they will point at us an scream, and would if the name of the website was avoiceformenbutdonteverevereverdoanthingbadtoafeminist.com
And a lot of the public would believe them.
It is one of the realities of this struggle and will be for some time.
Putting a strong disclaimer in a box will not immunize us from criticism and backlash, nor would it protect her from some nutjob who decided to do something stupid and sick.
But there is another matter here. I don’t whine a lot about the threats and attacks I get. Shit, lol, there is a group trying to take down our facebook page right now. Youtube has kept me from being monetized and I have been shadow banned from reddit.
Add that to the hate mail and threats and we are having a good time. The irony is that I know in my heart that the only thing I am doing wrong is speaking the truth in an age of deception.
But as I said I don’t whine about it an excessive amount because, guess what? I know all that every time I open my mouth.
I insist on having the same expectations of bigots. If you don’t want people angry at you, quit shitting on them because of their sex, race, sexual orientation or whatever.
More bigots on the way.
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By the way, I talked to Erin Pizzey yesterday (yes, we will be publishing an interview) and she noted that as she and a Canadian Senator were on tour in Canada earlier this year, she and the Senator faced numerous death threats from those of Emma Claire’s ilk. This is one of the reasons Erin recently remarked that Canada has become the most frightening country in the world (to her–although I’m sure she’ll be quoted out of context by the fascist Futrelles of the world to try to mock her). The police asked her if she wanted to just cancel her speaking engagement and she said no, of course not, and went on to do it anyway.
Men’s advocates like Erin Pizzey have far more to fear than Emma Claire ever will, and have already sacrificed and lost far more than Creepy Harpygrrl ever will. Erin believes in inclusiveness and in recognizing all victims of violence equally, as do we at AVfM and all serious men’s advocates. She puts her life at stake to say so. Worry more about the likes of Erin. And us. And yourself. We’re the ones in real danger. They will come for us, if they can.
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No, Bow.
You have missed entirely the point that waiting for your abuser to see the light and change his or her behaviour never works. You must either remove yourself or your abuser from the environment. And, frankly I have no plans of abandoning society to hide in the rainforest just yet. So, it will be the abusers that have to go.
And, make no mistake Emma Claire is an abuser of men and boys along with being a bigot.
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“The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy’s cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him.”
― Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
Sun Tzu is of little use without Five rings as a companion piece.
Feminism is intent on destroying me, my son and any male they can, even if the majority of self-identified feminists fail to follow their support of bigotry through to its logical conclusion mentally before supporting it.
Feminism and chivalry are both my enemies and, when anyone dons their uniform they declare themselves as my enemy.
Consequently, I will cut them down with words and non-violent acts.
“If you do not control the enemy, the enemy will control you” also, Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings.
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Looking forward to the fruit of that labour and doubly interested being Canadian myself.
OMG I am so jealous Dean – Erin Pizzey is a bloody hero to me (although knowing her she would pooh pooh the notion). By standing her ground and refusing to back down to the bigots who opposed her (ie radical feminists) and finally recording in detail their antics in wresting power from the equity feminists to become the mainstream of feminism (a fact which sadly most of the general public is still unaware of) she has done an invaluable service to make sure those critical parts of history were not erased.(esp in her book This Way To The Revolution which I shamelessly plug once more)
This news has really cheered me up. I am sure I speak for many here when I say please let her know how she is appreciated, admired and loved for all she has done.
The MRM is already constantly associated with the actions of violent men acting alone. The only way AVfM could “prevent” this, would be to shut up.
Not an option.
The admin here is forever advocating against male on female violence, as it advocates against female on male violence. The entire message is as clear as day.
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Wrong. If you cannot read my opposition to violence and illegal conduct in the OP itself, then a spoon fed disclaimer is not going to make a difference.
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I would argue that any such statement would merely serve as a distraction, and be spun as a “veiled invitation” for someone to do violence.
I for one appreciate the concern expressed, and appreciate the discussion, and think nothing more needs be said. Anything more will be beating a dead horse.
Onward and upward.
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bowspear, how naive do you think these men are? Do you honestly believe that Paul, Dean, JtO,et al are underestimating the opposition – having been under sustained attack by it for years?
I sure don’t.
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IN REPLY TO: “bowspearer”
If there is ever violence against the bigot in this article it will likely be a result of her own actions and violent behavior but expect AVFM to get blamed for everything by the Cultural Marxists regardless of what any MRAs say or do. The more successful AVFM will get, the more it will be attacked and blamed. Don’t start appologizing for the TRUTH. Start getting used to STANDING YOUR GROUND.
This is a non-violent website and movement. Anyone who feels the need to keep apologizing and placing disclaimers for speaking the truth about these bigots needs understand that it doesn’t matter how many times you say it’s “nonviolent”…these feminist liars will still accuse, attack and blame this movement for such well known facts as 10 out of every 5 women are raped every 3 seconds…twice…and studies have show all of this can be prevented by funding more militant lesbian programs like VAWA.
Of course we should expect that Mr. XY, which was at the heart of my whole concern. You’re right and in fact in other comments on here, I’ve said just that.
However the old saying is “work smarter, not harder”. Some things we’re going to have to just straight up duke out and hold the line with, teeth gritted. However anything we can preempt and effortlessly deflect is going to make that uphill struggle just that much easier for us in the longrun.
I am not buying a word of this at all.
I have written several pieces about the rationale behind these actions. My opinion has not changed, and is not going to.
You are welcome to post all the objections you want, but remaining silent and complicit any more is not an option.
This is not an invitation to leave. I would like as many people as possible to stay here, including you, but you may find that this is not a place consistent with your ideals.
We are fighting back in this war on men and boys, peacefully and legally. If we lose, we lose, but here we are fighting and nothing you are going to say is going to sway that a bit.
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As a wise man once said
“We are fighting back in this war on men and boys, peacefully and legally. If we lose, we lose, but here we are fighting and nothing you are going to say is going to sway that a bit.”
reading > whining
just sayin’
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Paul;
“I have written several pieces about the rationale behind these actions. My opinion has not change, and is not going to.”
so point to these – problem solved.
it may be time for your medication (just a feeling)
give it up, you’ve tried one of the old plays that used to work, but that shit doesn’t play anymore. reality has moved on, try to keep up
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what a sad ‘man’ you are. nobody cares what you ‘think’, or what you consider ‘rational’. you lost
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Okay, it’s a deal. I have made a note in my diary to check out whether your doomsday scenario has happened. I wait with abated breath…*yawn*
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Laddition. I am not sure if you are trying to tell me or Bowspearer to take psych meds. Either way it adds nothing of value here.
Please save the personal insults and the circular firing squad for another forum.
@Paul
okay, but it wasn’t you and I was genuinely concerned about ‘him’
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@BS
good to know, I feel better already
Indeed and wars, especially campaigns of extermination when you’re the party being wiped out, are best fought as tactically as possible
Feminists like the screeching harpy, Creepy SpitterGurl and this Emma Claire have me thinking that perhaps Paul did not go far enough.
I know, I cannot believe I typed that either.
Paul was on the money in Yanking Off The Hood. But, the single biggest enabling factor for this behaviour is a complete lack of real world repercussions for such behaviour.
Then, I realised that I can cause real world repercussions. Agents Orange and Mauve as examples document misandry as does Register-her.com. What is stopping me from doing the same or using those existing tools and then bringing this information to the attention of those that need it? That could be school boards, parents, employers (especially those that depend on public good will/opinion).
As it turns out, not a damned thing is stopping me. My initial reaction was that might be going to far but, this is exactly what MRA’s already face. And, ours is not a movement of hate and violence. Exposing and crushing metaphorically these bigots is a public service not a “dirty trick”.
The gloves are off bigots, your idiocy is going to start affecting you in negative ways that even you can’t ignore or blame on some imaginary “patreeeeee-archy”.
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They’re gonna claim it anyway.
AVfM has stated on several occasions that their official policy is no violence. Ever.
While I may not always agree 100% with this, I do respect the right of the owners of this site to maintain their site free of any kind of violence or threats and pre-edit a lot of my posts to be calmer, which is probably a good thing in and of itself.
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Somehow I doubt that you being happy and us getting anything done are compatible.
We prefer to make progress.
You being happy? mehhhh. not sure that it’s possible anyway, why try?
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yeah, well I have different views as to who the fool is.
your approach does not work, it was tried, it failed, only a fool keeps bleating on like you.
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I did remind you about taking your meds, right?
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LOL. Or a large gold member…
KARMA MRA MGTOW and Bombay – clearly you missed the part where I was one of the half a dozen or so people on here who had rushed in to deal with the initial salvo in the form of spookymulder just before I’d posted this.
Nothing personal bowspearer. I was making a joke. MRA on…..
My thoughts on the image concern are that there’s really nothing they could say which hasn’t already been said about AVFM. There must be hundreds of women listed on the Register-Her site which AVFM associates with, and any one of them could suddenly claim that the MRAs here are responsible for some monstrous harassment that may or may not actually happen. Or, the last subject of ridicule Sasha Wiley might do the same. (sure she’s older, but she’s a teacher and look how fragile her wrist is.) The only way to keep a good image is to keep it consistently.
Well that and have scenarios planned out for dealing with it should it happen TheUnknown
Speak the truth and let the devil be damned.
If these women were being libeled and slandered the way they libel and slandered Dr. Farrell, then I would share your concerns.
I don’t see any concerns for Dr. Farrell’s health or well being, and he is being misrepresented and slandered.
If no one has done Jane Fonda in yet, with all the lies, libel and slander SHE gets (yes, a LOT of stuff printed about her IS inflammatory and false). She has been spit on, and she handled it …like a lady. In big girl panties. Activist chicks are so much tougher than you give them credit for.
I wouldn’t worry about the TRUTH causing these little ladies any harm.
The minute AVFM derails off the Truth Track is the last time I log in.
There is nothing WRONG with The Truth.
It is never wrong to tell The Truth.
The Liar is never The Victim.
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There are also claims of MRAs condoning rape.
Should there be a ” Don’t y’all be gitting all rapey and violent” disclaimer?
You know, since ALL men are prone to violence and rape and all?
DISCLAIMER:
Attention, Gentlemen: When Emma Claire states “Political Position: Kill all men, Hail Satan” ….don’t get violent.
(You DO know they publicly post the names, addresses, work place and photographs of female sex offenders here in the US, and I’ve yet to hear of harm coming to any FEMALE offender, even though there is great public sentiment and acceptance of violence against people who harm children?)
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“If these women were being libeled and slandered the way they libel and slandered Dr. Farrell, then I would share your concerns.”
This is a really good point.
There is a lot more evidence of the connection between false sexual abuse accusations and vigilante action then there is between someone outing a female bigot who was mean to a man.
And they’ve definitely slandered Farrell and levelled some extremely high profile false accusations against him.
I don’t think that any of these bigots are under any threat from MRAs. A man who owns his vulnerabilities is the least volatile man in existence. Anger does not equal volatility.
If anything they’d be safer if every man was an MRA.
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Interesting reply. It is notable that some of the protesters were making false accusations as easily as they called total strangers rape supporters. It is not a far step to move to calling someone a rapist–that is, making a false allegation against an individual, one of the very issues we’re trying to rectify.
As long as our actions are strictly legal and serve a legitimate benefit to society at large, I see no problem whatsoever in holding an individual publicly accountable and responsible for their actions.
Would anyone here have any trepidation of exposing this same person if she had made a false allegation of rape against a certain man, and we had evidence to prove it false? I don’t think so.
We have the right to speak our disagreement or opposition to someone’s harmful actions publicly. We have the right to remove the shield of anonymity though obscurity when one is knowingly doing a disservice to society at large.
That is like “what if feminists try to claim Anders Brevik was an MRA”?
There will always be headcases on both sides of any debate. The difference here is that every major spokesperson on behalf of men and boys has made it a point of public record to come out against any violence and come out hard. And, those statements have always been widely supported within the community.
They already lie their asses off about us as shown in the U of T videos. We would not be giving up anything or handing them a bludgeon. We would be simply unmasking common thugs for all to see.
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We get it. You want to apply Legal Teflon to the movement. Problem is BS, there’s no way to do it while still remaining effective. Sadly, I believe it will take a high-profile trial of some kind to REALLY kick us into high gear – but I’m hoping it’s a Reproductive Rights trial, not some kind of criminal one.
We have a HUGE opposition, funded with billions of dollars, and a mainstream media wholly engrossed in the feminist narrative – if they want to ‘spin’ us as pretty much anything, they have the complete ability to do it at any time. The only reason not to, is fear that truth will get out to the general public, showing their true colors, as it were.
Fear of bad publicity is pretty much the only thing holding them back. They NEED plausible deniability, and the only way they’ll get that is if we shut up. They could EASILY fabricate something tomorrow, and have every MSM network scream blue murder, and scores of politicians calling for our heads.
The only thing holding them back is the Manosphere, the alternative news media, and fear of loss of public support. Right now, any Court case attached to the MRM would lead to a massive swelling of our ranks, and they know it.
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Factory said: “Fear of bad publicity is pretty much the only thing holding them back. They NEED plausible deniability, and the only way they’ll get that is if we shut up. ”
Oddly enough, that’s my concern for us. And I’ve just realized that we already have bad publicity. And we’re still moving forward. We don’t need plausible deniability, we simply need to use the most persuasive tools.
OK, Factory. Sold.
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“Yes but there’s a difference between being scared of moving ahead because of responses, and preempting the responses where possible (or having contingencies planned in the event of the inevitable return salvos) while proceeding ahead courageously.”
Sure, I get that. But know what? No street fight is ever orderly and pre-planned. It’s nice to plan a grand strategy, but the fact is that in the field, no plan ever makes it past step 2. After that, it’s all improve. That’s just a fact that we have to deal with. The real world is messy.
We certainly can make grander plans, I’m working on some right now, but we also can’t expect them to be created overnight, and we certainly can’t hold our punches until the time is just right, because it never will be.
Men are being impoverished now. Men are being subjected to unfair laws, or non-application of law now. Men are being unjustly jailed now. Men are losing their children now.
I agree that we should be circumspect of our language and behaviour, I agree that if we had funds enough for think-tanks and persuasive authors and government connections that we could do it just right. But we don’t–yet.
I think that if we just agree to let each person do their thing their own way, keep out of each other’s way, that is a stronger force due to decentralization and variety, than a monolith built on lies, such as the radical feminist movement.
Do what you’ve got to do brother. If I can’t back you up, at least I won’t trip you up.
Zeph I agree that when it turns to a melee then all you can do is get in there and improvise – heck I’ve been doing it on 2 fronts over the past day heh.
But I really do believe that even though we don’t have money yet or the exposure, we need to start thinking towards the day in the not too distant future when that begins to change.
I agree too that plans are far from formulated overnight, however we need to start thinking about when we are at that point.
A while back Factory accused me of being way too into the curve. However we’re reaching a time where we’re at the point I was then (I’ve since moved to a deeper level, as you’ll notice from comments between TigerMan and myself here) and a point where where we need to be ready to move to that next level.
It’s sad to see hatred so deeply embedded in such young people. It’s alarming how feminism can make a young white middle class woman who has a better standard of living than the vast majority of other human beings in the world feel such malice towards men.
Oh well, she made her bed, now she will have to lie on it.
Fresh from the hunt and color me Mauve
Enjoy this titbit there’s more on the stove.
To the bigots and violent whose work I decry
I’m coming for you, and now I must fly.
The words elude me.
The words to properly describe the amount of rage and contempt that I harbor towards this festering, misandric waste of humanity just FUCKING elude me.
They aren’t worth your hate.
Well, there isn’t much of a brain to pick at when it seems as if her “logic” is constructed purely from strawmen and assumptions that she has no solid backing for.
Who would have ever thought that this putrid flavor or feminist would throw logic out the window and put her emotions above ALL?
She has an ugly personality and she knows it, but rather than admit it and be a reasonable adult, its easier for her to project her blatantly obvious downfalls and insecurities on everyone else.
I mean… how could she POSSIBLY be wrong about anything? Her gender studies classes clearly identifies the problem as TEH FUCKING PATRIARCHY! HAIL SATAN!
lol
As I mentioned earlier, these people will never change but the beauty of it is that we will have the advantage as we approach everything with our eyes wide open and a working brain.
We know where the problems originate but as always we will deal with this blight with dignity, intelligence and strength. Characteristics these people will never understand or have.
Well, as someone who lives in TO., I have younger freinds who are in university, and I WILL be showing them this entire article w/ this creature’s picture, and encouraging them to “pass it on”…..
Just trying to do what I can.
good job lugger. on the ground activism. wish I was still in university.
I will be posting decals at U of O as Stephen has promised to send them along tout du suite.
Scatters, I was wondering when you’d show up.
Quite the circus here eh?
Yup guy closes his eyes for a nap, hits a nephews birthday party and I come home to this.
Love it!!!!
Shit, I went to bed too early!
And they went to bed too late and they shat.
Phew what a long thread – as Vinny Jones said towards the end of “Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrells” – “It’s been emotional”
I’m just left wondering where the hate has come from…so much hate for one whole gender
It seems to be cartoons look actually fashionable!! Most of the extreme forms of Misandry (verbally at any rate) are from girls often using “cute” anime avatars etc and mimicking Japanese girls in style of chat and interests. The avatars and cartoons are all really “cutesie” yet they chat with deadpan style about a desire to kill all men and another emphasised that she wanted to physically put mra’s balls through a meat grinder. Another has said that the present she wants for Christmas is Paul Elam’s decapitated head!
In addition there is a #killallmen hashtag and it was being used quite liberally by many of these anime fans. Maybe there is something worth researching in this cultural phenomenum not to mention that there are no shortages of manginas who are totally unfazed at seeing women they admire openly expressing such hate and disdain but they themselves will join in mocking mens rights and their supporters. Quite a few MRA’s have had their accounts suspended by sending replies to some of the offenders – that’d where they then get reported by the taunter for sending “unsolicited” replies which often then results in immediate suspension. So while some of this is pure trollery it is often ideologically backed (ie marxist feminist etc included in their profiles). Anyway after hearing about all the masses of “grass eaters” amongst young men in Japan it could well be that a very nasty form of feminism has intertwined itself into the anime cartoon pop culture amongst the girls and young women over there which in turn is being copied in the west. If I find the time I might do some research on that and see what I come up with.
“Another has said that the present she wants for Christmas is Paul Elam’s decapitated head!”
Has anyone ever considered doing a “manboobz-style” expose of the virulent and violent misandry coming out of these people?
Yes I’m sure that can be done too. What I’m also interested in is that such open misandry is done by many who have a LOT to lose. College students and pencil pushers in taxpayer funded jobs. The very fact that they feel so secure in being open about their misandry in istelf gives a hint at where we should be addressing a lot of focus. In short we need to ensure one way or another that such expressions have consequences and those consequences should also be targeted at any official bodies that are either looking the other way or indeed encouraging said misandry in the first place – because one thing is for sure similar expressions of misogyny would not be tolerated for one moment.
The strangest anti MRA comment I have ever seen is this one on his site:
By the twisted spinster -
“Well, now I finally feel like getting a tattoo. One that spells out “piss on Paul Elam” on my face.”
I don’t understand it.
Funny part is, I used to know that woman and even tweet back and forth and occasionally do Yahoo chats with her. Then something twisted and changed in her, and she pretty obviously began deeply loathing men in general. Meh. She’s a middle aged spinster living alone with her cats and lost contact with reality, decency, and common sense. There’s no reasoning with some people.
I saw some manga comics early in the 2000s and I admit I found them disturbing…
There are two quite distinct thoughts going through my head with regards to this young woman.
Firstly, I wonder if she is a sychophant follower and is trying to show she belongs with the “big grrrls” and at 19 years old she is not considering the consequences…
Secondly, I am wondering where her father has been in her life. Was he alienated by an angry and bitter mother?
Well the odds are statistically that she is more likely not to have a father in her life than a mother – but she is at college and has all the attitudfes of a pampered princess so my guess daddy is just another ATM ernabler whom her mother simulateously blames for every bad thing that can happen ie PAS – but I’m just guessing maybe she lives wiith both parents who are both really decent people. I’m sure she will still find someone to blame though when her bigotry becomes unfashionable and she has to live in the real world with the rest of us. lol
That simple question is enough for several articles Aimee.
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And, as rhetorical as it is I will blindly toss in my 2 cents anyway
I have little doubt that the current in vogue feminine hatred of all things masculine has the exact same roots as racism, nationalism, tribalism and so on. A toxic combination of ignorance, and an immature mind constantly seeking approval and recognition from the “tribe”.
The same mind set contributes greatly to white knights.
While forcing people to mature is an impossibility(we can help it along with the introduction of natural consequences however), destroying ignorance is most definately a “do-able” action we can and are engaging in.
And yet there’s a very short answer: moral panic+traditionalism*pro-female gendered = feminism + misandry.
Where you find the unpacking comes from is traditionalism itself. In truly addressing the issue, the causes behind women feeling the socialised need to be protected [by men] and the socialised attitudes of expendability towards men, need to be fully addressed. If someone doesn’t beat me to it in the next few years, I’m planning to do a doctorate on it.
I hope you do that doctorate. It’s been my contention (and not only mine by any stretch) for years that this is the case.
That will be an interesting read.
I have a long held belief that misandry is firmly entrenched in both the left and the right.
The misandry in traditionalism is a bit more slippery since, there was arguably a net gain for the species. I just think that by now we should be able to do much better for both men and women.
And yet there’s been no yellow spine with me. You and others seem to think that worrying about recriminations means I’m scared of them. If I was scared of recriminations, then I wouldn’t have been getting in the trenches on rapebook in the way I have the past 24 hours. Yes as the movement grows bigger, so do the attacks from the other side.
However in war, you develop counter-strategies and scenarios for when your opponent strikes at you. Wanting there to be counter-strategies in place isn’t fearing the inevitable attacks by them – it’s embracing that reality and wanting to be as ready for it as possible.
You raise some interesting points but I fear it is too clinical. I say this because history has shown us time and time again that put a highly laudable socio\political template to work and watch how shortcomings in those who participate undermine it. I think the same will apply to any template no matter how well thought out or utopian. I’d wager it is human ignorance and shortcomings that tend to undermine more than anything else. A long time ago I think Socrates with his “know thyself” injunction provides a clue to the missing piece. That if we don’t encourage each citizen towards self realisation or worse if what is put in place distracts from that natural need then we are just perpetuating ignorance because social\political templates don’t liberate anyone – only individuals can do that.
So what we need are templates that encourage individuals towards self-realisation and that might have to be one quite radically different from what we have today with a focus on consumerism and materialism.
There is a youtube channel called the “new american dream” I think which explores this more empowered approach to the relationship between individual needs and the greater whole. I like their ideas because they can be adapted to work even within highly faulty models like the one we are now in. What is neat about such positive initiatives is that you don’t have to wait for the payoff. Attend to or prioritise your real needs instead of those you were persuaded to think were your needs and immediately your sense of wellbeing will improve. As more people improve their wellbeing this has positive knock on effect and a positive momentum can then develop.
Here’s the thing though. You raised Socrates’ notion of “know thyself” but which self do you mean, the authentic self or the socialised self? I’m reminded of what a wise being once said “you must unlearn what you have learned”.
The fact is that gender isn’t just some academic construct – it’s a social construct that’s been around since time immemorial. It has as much to do with the Caveman days as it does with modern day society. The fact is that society has said that men and women should act a certain way because of their genitalia.
The only way you can reach the authentic self is by “unlearning” the socialised self. To do that, you need to understand every single aspect of how your socialised self differs from your authentic self and the causes behind it.
Thus I’d argue that what I’m talking about is a key component of achieving what you’ve brought up here.
The self behind all the masks – the one we started out being very much in touch with until we got distracted and threw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak.
One can’t say too much about it here in terms of what it actually is for it cannot be grasped with intellect but it can be KNOWN in the sense of experienced. Contact with it even superficially is usually accompanied by feelings of peace, joy and happiness despite external circumstances. It is the greatest asset we have literally under our noses but also perhaps the most taken for granted and neglected.
If in an effort to get back to the “authentic self” trying to “unlearn” everything I’m not sure is practical. The authentic self doesn’t go anywhere as it is we that wandered off – what is needed is a consciousness of that thirst we have to reconnect to the source within us.
Following that thirst will lead back to the well within.
That we have that thirst or hunger is interesting but we try to satiate it by offering it everything else but what we really need and deep down we are not fooled.
If I am thirsty for water saying water water water will not not quench it nor will elaborate descriptions or even photographs. Sadly that is what most of us do we offer ourselves substitutes and try and kid ourselves we are satisfied etc.
How can you thirst or hunger for something which does not exist?
Answer – you cannot so if you become aware of this fundamental thirst it must be for something which is real.
We must be honest with ourselves first to acknowledge the thirst and second to acknowledge whether or not we have quenched it.
Understanding these 2 main aspects are what can lead to wisdom because your heart can then lead you to the well so you can lower your buckets and bring up as much as you need to quench your thirst.
Sorry about all the analogies but it is the nature of the topic.
I’m not disputing any of that. However at the same time, there is a progression of socialisation and indoctrination here and if you are to undo it, then you need to understand the nature of that progression. I agree it’s not a simple formula because people are complex. However if we can come to understand how we have been socialised, and how it has affected our perception of self, then we can understand where to look to uncover and be our authentic selves.
Yes this is really two issues – one is the politics of the masses (society or the collective of individuals) and the other is the politics of the self. Both have linkage but since the two havr never been closely linked in recorded history as far as I know then we are on new ground.
Whoa that was out of line – you might not agree with the guy but he had the balls to speak and explain his reaoning without resorting to cheap insults.
Not to mention TigerMan, that what he resorted to was a typical shaming tactic of white knights and feminists alike.
Oddly enough Raven, although it is rhetorical, I think we all need to ask the question if we are going to address the toxic nature of gender feminist thinking.
In the mean time, I am going to keep ironing and believe it or not pray for this young lass…
By praying for her, I am not excusing her, but rather I am asking the Divine to heal something that is broken.
Thanks for the reminder Aimee
You’re right Aimee, and I’ll do the same. I pray that in time she comes to understand what justice and equality actually are and comes to abandon her bigotry for them. I will live in hope for the day when it does for her and countless other bigots there like her.
Paul – sent you a DM on twitter
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I can’t speak for Paul or even in representation of this site but,I do not consider you a “concern troll”.
I consider you too terrified by the enemy to be of any use when it hits the fan.
I would take just one DannyBoy over 2 dozen Mr.WhatIfs at my back when confronting misandrists.
You are beating a dead horse, the issue has been dealt with by the site here and, will be plain as the nose of your face when the First Principles are rolled out for wider consumption.
No violent advancement of our claims will ever be accepted (hell you can count on it being denounced should it ever happen). And, when confronted with calm, feminists have a strong tendency to be emboldened to even more outrageous acts of idiocy and violence.
SpittleGurl would never have dreamed of her gleeful attacks at U of T had she faced even the potential of a punch in the face for her efforts. She like many bullies is a coward at heart. And, that is their weakness.
They can be incited by calm, non-violence while providing no grappling points.
Seriously, go to youtube and subscribe to both fidelbogen and integralmath and watch every video either has post then come back to keep playing the armchair quarterback long after the play has ended.
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I think your concern would normally be legitimate, but in this case, it doesn’t actually matter what we say. Paul has repeatedly stated his (and this sites) policy of non-violence. It’s in the mission statement as well. Putting up a big old front page disclaimer saying NO VIOLENCE will be ignored like those already are.
For legal purposes, the site’s policy is the best that can be done preemptively. I guess he could reorder it so that no violence is #1, but I don’t really see that having a huge effect on any legal claims brought against Paul or the site.
Oy Oy, don’t just downvote and run. Tell me what you disagreed with. So much to learn hiding in you guys’ and gals’ brains.
No. Putting up a great big No Violence sign is absolutely better that putting up no such sign.
That, and reiterating a position of non-violence continually in our rhetoric. Like a drumbeat. So that the general public will come to associate it with us.
Thing of what a good ad slogan or jingle can do to establish a ‘brand’. It’s along those lines.
Violence without you is the violence within you.
@Fidelbogen
We have a great big no violence sign. This site’s policy is it. Making a page spanning graphic in great big block letters will be ignored just as easily. This site’s policy is also made clear in it’s posts (none of which have ever called or suggested violence in any way) and in it’s moderation (warning and banning people that suggest violence.)
I think our continued refusal to behave like feminists do is enough to highlight the policy. Making a banner wouldn’t help with the legal issue.
@Keith
O…kay? I mean, I agree that someone who surrounds themselves with violence is probably violent as well, but relevance? It’s been made pretty clear that violence, violent speech or inciting violence won’t be tolerated here. Further graphics won’t assist in establishing that and won’t prevent accusations of violence.
(It also took me nearly a half hour to stop reading that as “Violence with out you is violence within you”. Confusion levels maximum!)
@cvar:
I’m not talking about AVfM. I’m not talking about “legal repercussions”.
I am talking broadly, in principle, in long-term strategic policy.
Nome sayin’?
We (whoever “we” is) need to lay that stuff on THICK, and manipulate it skillfully.
@Fidel
Ah, I’m with you now. I was talking to bower in a more specific AVfM sense. Generally speaking, yes, all MRA sites should have something that states clearly their position against violence. All of their writing and moderation activities should also reflect that position. Doing otherwise is political suicide.
I just don’t see much difference than a banner at the top of each page and a stated site policy when it comes to dealing with the blind accusations.
Keith: “Violence without you is the violence within you.”
Do you even know what this means?
I don’t consider bowspearer to be a troll of any kind. Seriously YOU talk about “calm” when using college jock rhetoric like that.
By all means we can disagree but but insults like the ones you and one or two others here have used are uncalled for and I don’t give a fuck of how many downvotes I get for pointing that out.
I regret to see you getting so many downvotes for speaking honestly and politlely with reason. It makes me ashamed that well reasoned opnion expressed in good faith is getting thumbed down like some hapless gladiator in the arena.
I thought we were better than that.
It is called “a difference of opinion”.
About half of his up votes came from me actually.
I’d be a bit hypocritical if I expected feminists to own their shit and take criticism like an adult and then refuse to do the same or accept the same myself.
This MRA has his big-boy Underoo’s on.
Polite reason has earned us generations of fatherless children, state dependent mothers, innocent men incarcerated. Whereas in your face activism has provided footage like JtO and the Vancouver MRAs, Mary Kellett facing likely for the first time in her life, very real consequences for her choice to be a bigot.
Does that stuff anger me? Damned skippy it does but, it really isn’t hard IRL when confronted by an angry feminist that nothing will piss them off more than calm refutation of their stance or on occasion completely ignoring them. And, when they get angry, much like a child they have little impulse control and prove my point for me. Reading and listening to Fidelbogen led me to clarify that tactic and use it more often.
I get in the trenches IRL so, my views may be different from media MRA’s. Both are useful and honestly the tactics do cross at times and right now we need the media campaign to use trench techniques.
Except that wasn’t a mere difference of opinion. The only person here who actually engaged in that was Dean Esmay.
What happened was much closer to an online pillorying than I was talking contingencies and i had multiple people either accusing or implying that I was a concern troll – right down to Paul himself pointing out where the door was.
Admittedly I said in an email to Paul that I could see where the naysayers were coming from. However just because I can recognise a line of argument, doesn’t mean I agree with it hook line and sinker.
Furthermore, just because I’m concerned with how to manage the fallout, and am raising the issue of contingencies and countermeasures, doesn’t mean that either I’m too scared to push ahead with it, or to get in the trenches when it’s needed (in fact multiple comments in this thread where I have gotten in the trenches at the first opportunity, attest to that).
You talk about how reasoned argument hasn’t worked with feminists and white knights, and that’s largely spot on. However this wasn’t an exchange between a feminist and a group of MRAs – it was an exchange between one MRA and another group of MRAs.
A few people here have brought up old sayings, well I have one which sums up the debacle perfectly: “the enemy is out there!”
Sorry you see it that way. But, count just how many posts urging caution and an almost hand-wringing apologetic outing (at least typed and from my regional bias it came across that way) you wrote.
If you were trying to do what Fidelbogen is speaking of in his reply @cvar then, my apologies without excuse.
If not I still see it as too tight of a focus on “parrying” and not “cutting”(Excuse the 5 Rings reference again). And, that is how it came across.
Much of the fallout if the engagement is controlled will be in our favour. Feminist hysterics seems to be a part of why people are distancing themselves from it more and more every day. Encouraging those hysterics can be a useful tool.
Either way, you keep doing what you do, I’ll do what I do and if were lucky we’ll both make a difference here and there. We don’t have to agree on everything in order to keep rowing in the same direction.
Since you refer to “cutting” and “parrying” as separate entities, I’ll draw you to the analogy of the Samurai. Yes, samurai have the razor-sharp katana for doing severe damage, but they also have the Tanto for parrying. No samurai worth his salt would ditch one for the other as they recognise that a fluid two-bladed style involves interchangeably parrying and cutting with effortless ease.
Suggesting countermeasures and contingencies is about parrying, but it’s about doing so to fend off an attack and get the next lunge in, in the most fluid manner possible.
“i keep getting friends texting me they found a viral vide of an MRA protest and that im in it. i’m so glad this is my legacy”
Yet people tried to have it taken down over “privacy” concerns! If its a legacy leave it up. Don’t go gettin mad if the viral part does not favor well for you.
MRAs are just the outspoken few, but the awakening that something is wrong is shared by the many and carried by people who don’t even know what the fuck an MRA is. THAT’S why the video went viral. You can try and stamp us out all day, but even if you could, you can’t stop change. You don’t have to be an MRA to smell the rain from the coming storm.
My advice to feminist and feminism in general! If you want to survive you better start doing what you say you do and stop doing what you actually do. You better step it up and speak for all or you’ll just be seen as another pimple in history from future generations.
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Oh yes, it is all just spoofy, goofy, facetious antics of sweet lil Emma. And the tearing down of posters promoting Dr. Farrell’s talk on the boy crises was just another little bit of sweet humor from her sweet little self. And chanting “Fuck Warren Farrell,” standing side on side with the despicable, no, wait, sorry, other misunderstood sweethearts at that humorous little gathering calling him a rape apologist and an incest supporter, all of it, was just wacky hijinx from the sweetest kindest little sugar cube you ever did see.
Hang around for a bit, and hear what some other women have to say to you, spooky.
And, while I won’t honor your polite request to remove the post, I do want to wish you a Merry Christmas.
beautiful
Well we know who the 1 down vote in this thread is from.
In other words, pussy pass denied.
So when the comedian Tosh made a rape joke, by your logic women had no right to get upset then right? Is that it?
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In my opinion people getting angry over a comedian making a rape joke is silly as a whole. The woman did have the right to get angry(although, the only reason she did get angry was because she feels rape only can affect wimminz, she wouldn’t get mad at a holocaust joke, guaranteed) but it was stupid of her to get angry either way.
If suggesting people be killed is humourous to you, then I would suggest that besides being a Grade A asshole, you should review your own sense of right versus wrong.
Oh, I almost forgot.
Fuck you and, the horse you rode in on.
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Hey now, the horse hasn’t done anything wrong.
You know, there’s an old saying of “it’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye”. You say she was just joking – well I wonder what tiny sliver of humour that the poor young man she verbally abused and angrily slandered was supposed to take from it. Oh and by the way, last I checked, that was legally classed as public humiliation on her part.
Furthermore you claim she was “just joking” yet in doing so you admit such things were said- making your slander claims utterly fallacious.
Furthermore citing conspiracy theory accusations in light of countless male-hating and genoocidal manifestos from such “delightful” sources as Dworkin, Solanas and Daly amounts to an incredibly embarrassing fallacy on your part.
Finally, please tell me how the blind claims of misogyny are any better than men calling bra burning women “man-hating lesbians” during the 1960s. I can’t wait to hear your response to that one.
You know spookymulder, you accuse everyone here of being a vile individual, but here’s the rub. You claim that Claire was “just joking” however even if she was just joking, she was still trivialising very real and serious men’s issues and in doing so, behaving in a chauvinistic manner.
You talk about vile, but let me tell you the realities on the ground. We treat men who have been the victims of rape and domestic violence simultaneously as perpetual predators and cheap, filthy, worthless sluts.
Did you stop to consider how many of those men, demanding the same attitude to the abuse they are victims of, or were you too busy running with the debunked fallacy of “the Patriarchy”?
The fact is that Claire, whether “in jest” (which her actions on video do not give credence to) or maliciously, actively contributed, especially through her choice of slanderous slurs, to a culture which shields female rapists, violent women, female child abusers and female pedophiles- a culture which sees battered men arrested arbitrarily and subjected to prison rape, and underage boys raped and then forced to pay the female pedophile child support. The term for that type of behaviour is enabling. You might want to reflect on that before calling anyone here vile. Some of us who are male survivors regard her personal comments in the same league as those made by radical Islamic Clerics which compare women to “uncovered meat” for dressing a certain way.
“All of Emma’s tweets are facetious. They are humorous.”
Really? Yet you and your buddies point to Youtube trolls with no connection to the Men’s rights Movement posting “facetious” calls for violence against feminists as evidence that Men’s Rights activists are violent.
I’m curious. What makes a threat of violence serious? The fact that the person uttering it has a penis?
Now here’s the real question. If you soft pedal women’s agency when they make death threats, how do you know you’re not doing it all the time subconsciously?
“A woman can’t be president, she can’t be relied up on to take effective action.”
“A woman can’t be CEO, she can’t be relied upon to lead a company.”
“A woman can’t utter death threats, she can’t be relied upon to follow through.”
“A woman can’t be…”
If you really want equality, start with yourself.
Oh! Oh! I can tell. He down voted you! He DOWN VOTED YOU!!!! And you are a WOMAN!!!
What a misogynistic, rape apologizing, incest supporting asshole!
Fuck Spookymulder! Fuck Spookymulder!
“And you are a WOMAN!!!”
I am a woman. And I want my death threats taken fucking seriously, goddammit!
Typhon Blue is just SOOOOO adorable when she is making death threats! ME! ME! Threaten ME!
(Welcome back, TB…we missed you. See what happens when you take a break?)
I can haz de deaf-trets?
It takes some fuck, then some shit, then some fuck, then some shit, you got a fuck shit stack, a fuck shit stack…
Ah yes. “Fuck Shit Stack”. So applicable in so many situations.
Fuck dat some serious satire shit goin down right there bro ! lol
LOL!
Do your frequently find your self wondering, should I poke that beehive with this stick, or shouldn’t I?
Need to get that checked
“This is libelous, defamatory, and disgusting. Take it down immediately.”
Which part is the lie… looks to me like the article contained backed up facts and an well explained opinion on them. The only fragment of your statement that has a hint of truth is when you call all this disgusting. I agree. Her actions were disgusting.
Welcome to the real world, where you can’t hide behind your computer screen and fling your vile vitriol. It’s not our job to protect the identities of assholes. If people don’t want to be known as an asshole, all they need do is not be an asshole.
As you rejoice in the holidays, discuss over your big turkey dinner how when your sons look back on your sick, suplicating collabaration with the Femistazi who will enslave them and steal their children, they will piss and shit on your pathetic, quisling grave.
Now get back to feltching your supremacist overlings, they are growing restless in your absence, spooky bitch-ass cunt.
Spookymulder – except…it’s not funny if the gender is changed, now is it? Tweeting/posting “kill all women” would not be regarded as hilarious. Standing outside a feminist’s speaking engagement yelling “fuck you!” or “feminist groups are hate groups” or following a woman around wanting to listen in on the speech and spitting “you are fucking scum!” over and again would *not* be tolerated.
So, no. Emma Claire is not funny or “facetious”. She’s a disgusting, vile person herself. The very sort of woman I’m teaching my young son to avoid at all costs.
To Spookymulder
An anagram of your name is “Proudly Smokes” and it meant nothing to me until I saw something odd about yourself.
The cigar you have clenched between your teeth is a turd.
It looked ok when you shoved it in your gob, but your myopia and tunnel vision had you not see it for what it is.
We on the other hand, see you exactly for what you are – a canary in a coal mine watched by frightened feminist fuckwits.
In addendum to Mr. Elam’s comment:
P.S.: Go fuck yourself, mangina.
I will be sure to inform my wife and two of my best friends that I hate them and that I assume they hate me.
Idiot. Stop protecting fascist thugs with your “they’re just girls they’re just joking” sexist bigoted bullshit. How little you must think of women, to think they’re just angels who never commit violence, and that they’re allowed to practice bullying, censorship, and actual slander with impunity because they’re female.
If anyone here has no respect for women, it’s you sir.
When I look round at Christmas, there will be some wonderful teenaged nephews who I want to grow up knowing they are valuable for their being human, rather than because of their utility.
When I look round at Christmas, there will be beautiful nieces and my partners daughters and I will be hoping they grow up with belief in their own agency and autonomy.
We’re just joking here too. Enjoy. Hope Emma is ready to enjoy a lot more of our humor…it’ll be riot.
Spookymulder:
Some of the folks around here have taken you rather seriously, but I can see you are quite the comedian, eh? Yes indeed, I am laughing my ass off at you.
Meta-satire, right?
Even without her degree, she’s already qualified to run the YWCA here in Evanston, or to take a position at the The National Hotline For Domestic Violence.
It’s that last option that’s truly scary. Truly scary indeed.
Or possibly she can be a Women’s advocate at our local courthouse here in Skokie IL, paid by VAWA, thru Social Security Title IV D Funds, to help the False Accusers fill out the paperwork properly, for orders of protection.
Well done Agent!
From her recent tweets, it is not surprising that her parents dislike her.
I wish she would consider the pain of the children on her path to “self-discovery”, but I will not hold my breath.
http://misanderysoncooper.wordpress.com/
oh look.. she works with children… lovely /s
I wonder if child protective services in Toronto shouldn’t be contacted – especially if she works with boys.
That would be wasted energy… though as a father I would not want my son taught by someone who thinks its funny to degrade another human being like she did… Even if I believed her ideology was correct, the way she enjoyed screaming at that man trying to enter the talk does not tell me personally that she should be around other humans, never mind children. That was pure domination, you could see the primitive parts of her brain every time she cracked a micro-smile as she berated/dominated that man. She knew she could attack him with impunity, and she got off on it.
Another area I work in to expose is the ravenous child CAS workers, Children’s Aid Societies who cause immense harm to families as they feed on our children.
I don’t doubt that for one minute. However this case is starting to garner public attention and so it could make for a bit of a “smoking gun” if you will.
The old saying is that someone has to die before something happens.
Well in this case hate speech and violence was being directed towards an epidemic of people dying. It’s alot harder to dismiss and very self-shaming once the usual prejudices start to kick in.
she deleted her account. heh heh heh heh
Blog deleted. Somebody’s on the run.
Hmm. No longer available. Get censored, did it?
“The authors have deleted this blog. ” – Now there’s a surprise!
Always submit hate sites to archive.org before outing them!
Feminist Emma Claire’s action is reprehensible to a degree I believe she should be arrested for public violence. As should Little Miss Spittle for her violent outburst at the Warren Farrel gig. Indeed I reckon the whole mob yelling the obscene chant “Fuck Warren Farrel!” should have been arrested for disorderly conduct.
What’s odd, even alarming to me is that none of the police in attendance at the Farrel gig have to my knowledge so far arrested Miss Spittle despite clear and incontrovertible evidence of her public violence in the form of a video posted of her actions existing here at aVfM – pussy pass from white knight police?
Something that’s also very interesting to me is the fact that NOT ONE SINGLE feminist anywhere has publicly denounced the actions of Emma Claire or Little Miss Spittle. This despite aVfM being closely monitored by feminists, that aVFM has over 40,000 subscribers and many more casual visitors. Despite GirlWritesWhat’s thousands of subscribers too. Then there are thousands who subscribe to Warren Farrel’s site and youtube videos.
Now, nobody can tell me that there aren’t feminists in all that sizable reading/viewing audience. Yet where is the feminist denouncing the hatred and violence in the name of feminism from these nutjob women? Nowhere.
This illustrates to me yet again perfectly what a hate movement feminism is.
All Feminists Are Like That.
A FALT.
“Now, nobody can tell me that there aren’t feminists in all that sizable reading/viewing audience. ”
There have been a few on the Youtube channel.
However I think most of the reasonable ones are now likely reconsidering identifying themselves as feminists.
And feminism sheds another layer of sanity and compacts into a denser form of crazy.
Question is, will it nova, or form a singularity of crazy?
I’m personally hoping for a moderate sized nova – big enough that it embarrasses the movement even further and small enough we can survive it fairly unscathed in the end.
A black hole of stupid.
I’d love to be that optimistic Paul, but in reality, we have a few decades yet before it starts to completely implode.
Exactly.
Might be worth keeping an eye on the federal election due in Australia late 2013.
I believe PM Gillards misogyny rant a little while back was laying the groundwork for a “war on women” election campaign that will make the recent US election look like a Sunday school picnic.
I fear your right and after watching the US elections turn into a one issue joke, its a very real concern.
A situation update: Emma Claire is aware of this article, and is quite upset at being called out on her bigotry. She’s especially mad that somebody dared to compare her hatred of men with hatred of blacks, and has now changed her Twitter handle to @literallygoaway
Also, I know it’s a bit OT, but I’m getting a tad impatient: when will we see the article exposing David Futrelle as the creator of r/beatingwomen?
Now changed to @goawayforever
She is scrubbing everything of hers off the net. those who have screenies of it, be prepared to reupload to another location so people will never forget the bigot she is.
Also..follow all communiques and collect everything you can for anyone showing support to her.
oh, look whats happened now..
“Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!”
“She is scrubbing everything of hers off the net.”
Cockroaches don’t like bright light.
It’s an empirical fact.
I hope you did it Agent Orange because I went to bed at 2 in the morning after just signing off AVFM and I come back to this. Everything was already scrubbed Damn it.
Ah, poor, poor Emma. The net never forgets, the net never apologises, the net has your hate on display for all eternity. Employment searches on your name, background checks, the nosy friend.
They will all find out sooner or later. Your hatred and nasty actions against a man advocating positive change will follow you. Of course you never bothered to find out who he is or what he advocates, you hate him because he supports boys and men, something I think you are incapable of.
Violence and hate from feminists is their standard operating procedure and everyone knows it. Society has already been largely restructured to forgive and forget these sorts of things from the divine church of the feminine and their high priestesses, the official feminists.
Emma Claire please do continue to write about all about your hate, it is quite enlightening.
Logically, then,
Emma Claire hates black men, who woulda thunk it?
She’s failed her first entrance test into the fifth column.
EMMA CLAIRE HATES BLACK, AND JEWISH MEN. What a fucking racist, anti-semite klanswhore. Prosecute that poisonous witch for hatespeech, ASAP!
These are legally protected groups, prosecute that cancerous boil under the full force of law. Destruction of private property and infringement upon the rights of citizens to peaceably congregate and their right to free speech and expression. These Stalinists must be held to account in this once free and great country of Canada.
I wonder how many times she will change her handle before she either gives up or leaves twitter all together?
soon, young Padawan
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To be “defaming” her we’d have to be lying about her, moron.
We’re exposing a hatemongering, censoring, violent bigot who’s proud of her hatemongering censoring bigotry. You’re exposing yourself as a sexist who protects violent sadistic sexist creeps just because they’re women. You show your contempt for women, AND your contempt for your own sex, by doing so.
You’re right there’s no arguing with crazy, and brother are you crazy.
I love he way he put NINETEEN YEAR OLD GIRL in all caps. I think it was supposed to be for shame emphasis. Sort of like saying to someone, “You’re beating up on a RETARDED KID.”
And of course in adopting this take, he reveals that he sees her as no more accountable than some kid with a mental handicap.
Nineteen year old young men, and younger, leave body parts and life blood on battlefields across the world.
The whole fucking purpose of feminism was women’s unrealized capability and personal agency, yet still we see every day that it takes a Daddy Figure to come out and by god make everyone treat cupcake like she is made of bone china, no matter what she does.
You are correct, Dean. He does not respect women at all. He can’t even expect a feminist to act like she runs her own life.
What a pathetic fucking mess this shit has become.
Once again (I type this slowly so you’ll better understand):
Goooooo fffffuuuuuuucccccckkk yyyyooouuuurrrrrssssseeeeelllllllffffff mmmmmaaaannnnnngggggiiiiiiinnnnnnaaaa.
@spookymulder…
The nineteen year old WOMAN has not been defamed. She has been quoted.
If she believes she has been mis-quoted she need only contact the editors. I’m sure they will be only too happy to quote her again.
Indeed, if she wishes to issue a statement we will happily put it on the front page. If she feels she has been libeled she is invited to demonstrate that for us, or, failing that, to take it up with us in court.
We have this thing in this country we call a 1st amendment. And at AVfM, we don’t hesitate to call out bigots and hatemongers when we see them. Even if they’re 19 years old and people think they’re just cute harmless little girls. (How fucking condescending toward women can you get?)
News flash Spook, nineteen = Adult. Plenty of nineteen year old ‘boys’ go to adult prisons.
How many nineteen year old conscripts died in Vietnam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=Urtiyp-G6jY
Oh, and don’t call women ‘girls’ – it’s sexist.
“News flash Spook, nineteen = Adult. Plenty of nineteen year old ‘boys’ go to adult prisons.
How many nineteen year old conscripts died in Vietnam? “
Bingo!!!
When I was nineteen years old, I was onboard a ship enroute to the combat zone, and I didn’t even have the right to vote in my own country. But in those days, that was the norm, not the exception.
As per the Vietnam War Memorial info pages and search engine, http://thewall-usa.com/ approximately 42 percent of the more than 58,000 names on the Vietnam War Memorial died for America without ever having the right to vote. They were under 21 when they died and the 26th amendment had not yet passed.
Only eight women’s names appear on the Vietnam War Memorial. All were old enough to vote at the time of their deaths.
“Oh, and don’t call women ‘girls’ – it’s sexist.”
Okay, but can we call gender feminist women “infants” for the way gender feminism’s victimology tries to infantalize (make babies out of) all women.
I am feminist hear me roar, Wah! Wah! I am invincible, Wah! Wah! I am feminist, Wah! Wah! Wah…
“You know all of those news stories about teenagers who kill themselves because of bullying (cyber and not — especially bullying re: sexual orientation, which many commenters have done here)? Well, you’re the people who make those stories happen.”
No spookymulder, the feminists at that “protest” are the people who make those stories happen. Did you even watch the footage of the “protestors” you are defending. At one point they dismiss male suicide as “something that is dealt with by feminism”. One of the students who tried to attend – only to be blocked by these bigots – explained that in fact two of his friends had committed suicide within the last two years.
That was actually one of the main reasons he was trying to attend the talk. By trying to prevent these talks from going ahead, these “protestors” are in fact denying very real attention being paid to teen suicide.
So nobody here is the least bit impressed with your arguments.
Yep, old Emma and her friends are the real bullies–and what’s more, they fucking know it.
By the way, am on the phone with GWW, to your concern that this Stalinist thug may have caused him to feel suicidal? While that’s certainly possible, and she obviously initially hurt his feelings, he’s also obviously gotten over it:
http://22to28.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/247/
Thanks for that Dean, he seems a very well-balanced guy, glad he is unapologetic and blogging so reasonably about the whole incident. Not sure I could be as reasonable if somebody tried to bully me into submission.
Ah, wasn’t concerned for him specifically re suicide, although god knows I sympathise with people who have lost friends to suicide. I meant more that the attitude of the feminists in this video trivialises male suicide and fosters an environment where any concerns about it are ignored. In fact even talking about it is labelled “hate speech on campus”. Spookymulder suddenly gone quiet, I notice.
@MrShadowFax42:
“the attitude of the feminists in this video trivialises male suicide and fosters an environment where any concerns about it are ignored.”
And that feminist attitude is appallingly/grossly negligent, given that 80 percent of suicides in America are males. I don’t have the stats for other Western countries like Canada, but I fear it’s very similar.
Dean, of course you’ve thought of this already, but I’d love to see this brave, savvy guy’s blog post reposted here at aVFM.
That was a really good read, thank you for linking it.
Interesting that the MRAs seem to feel this woman should be held to account for her own actions, yet you’re here arguing that she should be protected from herself. Who the one disrespecting women now? Why do you feel the need to treat women like they are children? Is this some of that “benevolent sexism” you and your ilk seem to rail against? We feel she’s an adult who should be held to account, yet you feel she, for some reason, needs to be protected from her own actions. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there is nothing worse for the equality of women then modern feminism.
A 19yo girl is old enough to drink, drive, marry, vote, join the military, run for political office. She’s old enough to own her shit……if not….lets take away all those adult rights and consider her a child.
The only real problem you have, is that she is female, and your dick is doing your thinking for you.
Stu is correct – Spooky, even though they relay on dupes to do their dirty work, feminists detest “nice guy” suck-ups like you. To a feminist, the only difference between you and a douche is that the douche will actually be inside her vagina for a bit.
You don’t get sex from them by being nice to them, you idiot.
Oh, poor little rabies-mouth, the poor dear is- wait for it.. n i n e t e e n. Most excellent, so she’s a fully and completely legal A-fucking-dult. You know that status which confers r e s p o n s i b i l i t y for your heinous actions. N i n e t e e n. Did you have a point other than that statistically she’s been sexually active for about six years, and votes in our elections for public office?
N i n e t e e n. So your point is that she’s older than boys who get conscripted to murder, bleed and die in wars over resources to service the insatiable material consumption by females? C o n s c r i p t e d, something your priviledged little priss and her ‘right’ to vote wouldn’t know a fuck of a thing about.
N i n e t e e n year old responsible, poisonous ADULT.
Fuck you.
“You’re defaming and attacking a NINETEEN YEAR OLD GIRL.”
19 isn’t old enough now? She’s an adult and you damn well know what you’re doing at 19(you must be 14) so I hardly see an issue here. It’s also funny how you brought up suicide since the vast majority of suicides are males(and most of them not because of sexual orientation)
“no arguing with crazy.”
Just crazy? Remember, we’re also rape-apologists, incest supporters, woman-haters, and probably NEO-NAZIS too! You better tell your momma!
Translation from white knight into English: You are forcing me to see this woman’s agency. (Agency = Action + Consequence.)
I can’t handle a world in which women have agency because women are static beings roughly in the shape of my own psychological needs. They cannot be allowed to assume the shape of their own character.
If they did they would cease to be satisfying objects of moral masturbation for me.
For the sake of my ability to fap myself into a white knight lather, please desist in judging women by their character and start inflating their victimhood and weakness.
(I really love it when a girl’s victimhood is so swollen by “social justice” that it pops right out every time she takes a breath.)
It’s misogynist to judge women by their character and not the size of their oppression!
“You know all of those news stories about teenagers who kill themselves because of bullying (cyber and not — especially bullying re: sexual orientation, which many commenters have done here)? Well, you’re the people who make those stories happen.”
What a Titanic load of gross hypocrisy!
Where’s all your concern for human life, when males are being witch-hunted en masse by gender-feminist trained judges as shown in “Witch-Hunting Males” at Youtube http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu or men and their children are being denied shelter from violent women at gender feminist run domestic violence shelters as shown in “Los Misandry” at Youtube? http://tinyurl.com/27oh7cp How many males have died as a direct result of gender feminsim’s hate war on men?
How many males are struggling in educational situations, trying to just have a viable future, and experiencing gross hatred of their sex at educational institutions like the U. of T.? How many males have given up and/or lost their lives as a direct result of the gross hatred spawned by gender feminism on educational institution campuses like the U. of T.?
Gender feminism is one third of the race, class, and gender crap-oganda that’s spewed from teachers podiums in curriculums like Sociology and Women’s Studies as shown in Marxist Valley College at Youtube. And anyone (especially male) who speaks up or offers a dissenting opinion is name called, i.e. Warren Farrell at the U. of T. Where has all your concern been when it has come to the lives of males – in this thread, or elsewhere? :-/
And to underscore Spookymulder’s gross hypocrisy regarding bullying motivated suicide, I ask, “Where is his concern for the young man who was bullied at the gender feminist hate fest against males on the U. of T. campus?”
It’s apparently nowhere to be found – just an abundance of male bashing from him in this thread. Given that 80 percent of suicides in neighboring America are males, I find his omission of that concern appalling.
Spookymulder, don’t you know that cigarettes contribute to the patriarchy via phallic symbolism?
You better not let those feminists you defend see you smoking. That is definitely inviting perma-friendzone status. Surrender your fags, and your actual phallus while you are at it.
Shaming can go both ways, amirite?
“bullying re: sexual orientation, which many commenters have done here)? “
Really? And precisely how many commenters have done that here? How about you give us a list of names, Bozo?
But you will never do that, because you are lying through your teeth by pulling stuff out of your ass, aren’t you?
Well would you like to write that up? I never heard Futrelle did that. If it’s true, can it be proven?
Looks like someone had fun down voting comments here.
Only because they don’t have anything worthwhile to say.
And now it’s @goawayforever
Ah, the joys of seeing bigots run scared.
Her twitter name is now @goawayforever
That’s okay….I say we name each and every protesting individual at that protest. I have a copy of the original vid, so even if it is pulled I can dispense it to other Agents for research purposes.
this^^
and get charges pressed for blocking the doors and interfering with freedom of speach
Thank you Paul. And thank you agent mauve. To all the agents, you guys are heroes.
Gotta love their, “Look at this comment! See! See! This is why Feminism® is still so desperately needed!” defense.
By following that logic, this statement is also true,
“We the kkk, have received many negatative, vitriolic, spiteful, hateful comments, letters, and threats targeted at our organization. These are PERFECT examples as to why the kkk is, without question, absolutely correct in its stance and as to why our politics and policies are still so desperately needed.”
And of course there is absolutely is NO possibility that good chunk of the nastier comments toward feminists are just trolls and/or feminists themselves. Nope, none. That’s just super paranoia.
Looks like feminists ARE finally getting into one of the higher paying more difficult jobs nowadays: Mining*.
*quote mining
And even then, their reading comprehension and reasoning skills are sorely lacking.
Our dear Emma agrees with the KKK on Blacks and Jews. A Grand Witch in the making.
“Haters gonna hate.” is the war-cry of social metaphysics.
Gonna hate what? And so what? Where’s the beef?
I’ll try helping in the investigation to discover the identities of these women. I’m a UofT student and I’m the admin of a few UofT facebook groups, 2 of which are approximately 1600 students big. Plus, with the picture of the club, I at least know where to look. I just need to go downtown is all
Excellent. Please email me at paul@avoiceformen.com I have some additional photos we are trying to ID. Thanks!
Great stuff. And don’t forget the manginas in that crowd as well. I saw at least one of them screaming “Fuck Warren Farrell!”, in fact I think it was one of them who started that little cheerleader chant.
I can’t forget, Congratulations Mr. Elam and Mr. Agent Mauve, great work, by the way, there are 247 recent pageviews, 119 cities and 21 countries, nothing bad. Keep it up AVfM Team. Best of luck to you, and of course, you can count on me.
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If someone told you your feelings about any of us, especially your shame or disapproval mattered, well, they just fucking lied to you. I will let others address the rest of your really stupid bullshit. Right now I am powerful hungry and I am gonna make myself a sammich.
No you are wrong Paul, if you make it yourself, it’s only a sandwich. If you want a sammich, you’ll have to get a woman to make it for you.
I get in touch with my feminine side, then I makes me a sammich.
That’s the problem with feminist picnics, never any sammiches.
*gasp* Don’t you DARE!!! I’ll make your sammich, with your permission of course.
Sammich. Noun. Sam mich
A sandwich made by a down trodden oppressed woman, for a male chauvinist pig.
Thank you very much for that.
Thanks for what?
For confirming that feminists hate men and that they always have, and that those who say otherwise and claim that’s the “straw feminist” are liars or deluded. You have just validated everyone who says that feminism is a hate movement, and that you are part of a hate movement.
Me? I don’t feel “like a man.” I feel like someone who’s helped identify not just one hatemongering bigot, but two: Emma Claire, and now you. Except I doubt you’ll have the guts to put your real name out there: hatemongering bigoted cowards such as yourself almost never do.
Thank you for the boot-heel click and Nazi salute, you man- and boy-hating fascist creep.
LOL – gender shaming. Back at you:
If you are a man – do you feel like a man now?
If you are a woman – do you feel like a woman now?
Either way – you should see a sex therapist if you feel like your “sex” when writing about this.
What is a real man for you? If you think to be a man is agree with bigots, who hate men, hate free speech and openly advocate double standard, think again. It’s not a man, it’s mangina, here you can’t find any mangina, because we have brains and balls.
If she is nineteen years old, she is old enough to be responsible. Your vision is so twisted, you call us bullies, but what we are seeking here, is justice, and fair treatment. When she offended, bullied and harassed, Who doesn’t agree with her, she became a bully. You admitted, you hate men, I don’t hate women, I like to think the mean women who I know were raised by an evil ideology, if we were raised with love and compassion, both men and women would better.
Damn fucking straight.
I wonder if this guy, who showed so much restraint when being called names, is now contemplating suicide? Creepy Scum Girl should publish an apology and should be encouraged to do so by her supporters. This is how she can feel better about herself.
I hope she has learned a good lesson and is modifying her disgusting behavior. If not, I think she may suffer more consequences. Such is life.
“I wonder if this guy, who showed so much restraint when being called names, is now contemplating suicide?”
I’m not.
Reading your blog on the event right now.
I must commend you on your restraint in the face of such a repulsive vitriolic attack.
It wasn’t that long ago that I was in university and the difference in 2 short decades is unsettling. Open debate and logic seems to be trumped by ideology, indoctrination and feelings today.
I applaud you sir for your restraint in the face of trying circumstances. I do not know if I could have handled the situation as well as you did.
Do you have any idea who the other ring nosed rat is?
Cool. I read your blog. Well done…..
Hey! It’s awesome to see you here. Hope you stick around.
You are a class act.
Straw feminist! Straw feminist! These people don’t exist!
barbiehighheels,
An anagram reveals a warning to others here with a message of not doing as you do – “Has bile. Be Higher.”
Quite frankly, my visceral response is one of utter repulsion only, and not unlike to announcement of a chemical spill – “Bah! Sigh. Bile here.”
ROFLMFAO.
Can’t help thinking back on a time in my life, when that kind of shit actually worked.
What a fucking moron I used to be.
In response to your shaming bullshit, here’s a question for you: Since when the fuck did equality mean issuing a fucking death sentence for all men simply because they ARE MEN?!?!
Like I told all your buddies at the protest. You wouldn’t know what equality was if it shat in your faces.
Hell fucking yes, I feel like a man. I feel like a man because I’m finally standing up against a bigot like you who tries to tell me that, because I’m a man, I’m somehow responsible for every fucking foul thing that goes on in the world.
We have problems that we need help with like you do.
We have a right to life like you do.
We feel and hurt like you do.
And it burns your ass like hellfire because more and more people are starting to listen to OUR side of the story.
This asshole you’re defending deserves to be exposed for the shit that came out of her mouth.
She’s living proof that misandry exists.
So please, dear madam, kindly go fuck yourself.
Have a nice day
Sincerely,
Zarathos022
Oh and btw a “real man” is a man who’s smart enough to not want to spend even a second with a bigot like you.
Awwww, look. Emma showed up to bitch for sympathy for her hatred. That or a very unimaginative Women’s Studies clone of her, “PS if you need me I’ll be getting “misandry” tattooed on my knuckles”.
PS. No one and I do mean no one could give a damn what a spite filled horrible person like you thinks constitutes a “real man”.
PPS Those “lies” we’re telling came straight from the horses mouth. So, take up any hate therein with Mz Claire herself as she is the author, rather than exploding at the reporter of her hate.
If only they’d all get misandry tattooed on their knuckles. The world would be a much safer place for all men.
Who is the hater here? You hate men because they are men. Emma Claire is being exposed because of what she said and what she did. She is being held accountable for her actions. Can you understand the difference?
So where is this great lie you’re spewing about? Did you even watch the video. Did you watch as your “lovely young woman” who only wants equality berate that man by calling him a rapist and scum. Did you watch the little micro expressions of pleasure that crossed her face as she attacked that man, as she dominated him? She can say all the “I want equality” she wants, she can try all she wants to cloak her hate in activism, but she can’t hide her physiological responses to the pleasure she felt attacking that man. Do you know what becomes of people who gain pleasure from dominating others? Feminists would call them rapists.
Please someone do pinpoint the lie.
If there is a lie in that article, I’ll tender my resignation to Mr. Elam.
I’m serious.
“Sometimes I feel that as I get older, my ardent feminism softens and I hate men a little less, but I see this hateful (and untrue, slanderous, cruel) post and I’m reminded of why I hate men.”
ROFL!
What a bigot you are! But at least you are honest! I guess.
By the way, we aren’t boys, we are men. And she isn’t a “girl”, she’s an adult bigot.
A search of Barbiehighheels’s email address has turned up something interesting anyway.
If you google her email address mymonsterischic@gmail.com you will find here her involvement in a “battle of the bands” activity. http://warped.battleofthebands.com/u/mymonsterischic
Nothing wrong with that for sure, but her revolting words here might well be a “heads-up” for those receiving her input with this project.
The “2012 Warped Tour” is involved in her association with the website where she is the contact person.
Here is the Warped Tour website http://vanswarpedtour.com/
Would you want to be tarred by her misandric brush? I sure as hell would get her the hell away from anything I was involved with. Especially if I had anything to do with the organising of many bands going all across America and their updates on a very expensive looking website.
Barbiehighheels,
Which bit of
a) tweeting about killing men
b) and slandering Dr Warren Farrell and
c) obstructing people from attending a public lecture is about equality?
Secondly, I’m an “older” woman too…and my frustration is that we treat 19 year olds as infants without agency and pretend they don’t know right from wrong.
Me at 19, I sure as hell knew that my actions had consequences. What about you?
Even you aren’t stupid enough to have misandry tattooed on your knuckles…..I wish you would though….I wish all the hateful bigots like you would.
Yup, I feel like a man. Thanks for asking.
I feel like a man who’s looking forward to some good entertainment over the next few days as these bigots get exposed one by one and scurry like cockroaches for cover when they are no longer surrounded by the police and their own violent mob of thugs. I guess the little princes and princesses aren’t so big and tough after all, are they?
The “she’s just a girl” defense. How dare all of you not reach out to tha Hitler youth and “explain yourselves” to her on an “adult level”….maybe even apologize to her like Gay and Arjuna.
“Do you feel like a real man, now?”
We’re all real men and women here, but Barbie, what are you supposed to be in your high heels with a “misandry” tattoo on your knuckles? A “real woman”? LOL!
Dear Spookymudder and BarbieHighHeels,
Are you trying to shame us? WTF? Spookymudder are you that stoned out White Knight dude with the dirty hair in the U of T protest? The one seemingly very much under the influence of something hallucinogenic, slowly mumbling at the camera “we really don’t want to talk to you…,” and then just continuing your incoherence as if at you were on the TV show The Views, at their sacrificial alter, where they hand you your balls? Don’t worry, you’re safe dude…you arrived there a eunuch.
BarbieHighHeels, what the hell does that name represent? I thought the idea of Barbie was anathema to feminists? Maybe Barbie’s vogue in this week edition of feminism…I dunno? Are you one of the girly, high-heeled, pumped-up ass varieties of feminist? Ahhhh…we see feminist individuality where contradictory and opposing ideas can dance harmoniously in man hating unity. Nice.
I will address your message in that I do feel sorry for the young feminists being outted. They are young , yet legally adults, and unfortunately culturally brainwashed to act out the hate of others that should have the wisdom of age to know better. However, I agree with AVFM’s policy that these protesters need to be identified, and their “work” highlighted so the world can see their view of the world. So the world can see what the U of T allows and what is likely promoted by U of T’s liberal arts departments. Feminism is built on a foundation of lies. Liars lie. These are not so much protesters as brainwashed liars. Liars will think twice about lying and distorting if they know that they own it. AFVM is just pointing out the owners of this vitriol. Finally, I tell my children, of approx… These protesters age, never, do or write anything that you cannot stand by as it may end up on the internet and be around and reflective of whom you are….forever
U of T and perhaps her parents-likely single baby mommas-should have warned these “children” about actions in today’s day and age can negatively affect other people’s views of her and her ideology these children choose to viscously promote. Positively, I look at this outing of the protesters as a learning experience for both her and her peers. Let them be all the wiser next time; they should go underground with their teachers.
Oh I would love to identify that scrawny white guy with dreads trying to stare down C.T. West in the video. That pencil-necked mangina must have watched half a dozen UFC video just to work up the courage to be that bold with better than half a hundred skirts to retreat to and hide behind.
Unmask that white knight and watch the fireworks rival a nuclear meltdown. I’ve met his type before and they have no courage, yet they are one of the most ardent supporters of anything anti-male because, they hope that will eliminate the competition of stronger men for female attention. A despicable pussy-beggar if there ever was one.
I feel like an empowered woman. You know, defending our rights against the matriarchy. But thanks for asking, demonspawn.
Oh, and by the way Leah,
make sure you get a professional to tattoo your knuckles, you might not be happy with a small town tattoo artist.
Should I get “rape-apologist” tattooed on my back or on my shoulder? Decisions, decisions…
By defending her actions, resorting to shaming tactics and outright admitting that you hate men, you are in fact the one who has validated us.
No no, don’t you know Not All Feminists Are Like That? I just wonder where the ones who aren’t are when things like this happen. Are they afraid the Stalinists will beat them up? Or do they just not take the Stalinists seriously because they’re “helpless and weak girls?” [ponder]
“PS if you need me I’ll be getting “misandry” tattooed on my knuckles”
Don’t bother, it will just wear off when they drag on the ground…
“PS if you need me I’ll be getting “misandry” tattooed on my knuckles”
And you already know where you can hide that – if there’s room in there with your head.
Lets take a different tack:
Barbie Don’t feminists rail against barbie dolls as a form of mysogony against women as it represents an airbrushed form of an air headed woman as some form of sex object for men and is training girls to be that way.
High heels again exploitation of women by the fashion industry something feminists rail against.
So why do you choose to use an avatar that represents an evil personified form of mysogony against women?
I remain puzzled, perhaps you can explain it to me.
Perhaps this is barbiehighheels favorite song.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc073s_aqua-barbie-girl_music#.UMUxaaz4J8E
“So why do you choose to use an avatar that represents an evil personified form of mysogony against women?” Bev
Because it’s ‘ironic’ – these imbeciles understand irony as well as they understand logic, hypocrisy and honesty.
My favourite part of Ms Barbiehighheals’ plaintive cry for (sob) fairness (sob) was suggesting that we should be “reaching out to her [Ms Claire],” as if AVfM were some kind of Bigot Hotline with sympathetic white knights manning the phones.
You see, Ms Barbiehighheals, we did reach out to Ms Claire. We reached out with our enormous pricks and burst her bubble of smugness – the one that has, until now, enabled her to advocate for violence against men with complete impunity. As you can see, our pricks have global reach.
As an aside, your blog was a miracle of anti-male shaming. In fact, there were more colours of shaming language in your rant than the rainbow flag at a gay pride parade. Red, black, blue, pink, green, yellow and tan. As Dr Elam and Mr JTO have pointed out many times, shaming and lies are the only weapons feminists have, and you’ve expended them all at once. Not wise.
Emma Claire reminds me of Sasha Wiley in that her so-called activism looks like a manufactured performance piece. Even the photograph above the title looks like a stage-manged pose. It is a fourteen year-old girl’s impression of what a celebrated, high-powered feminist a’la Hillary Clinton looks like – complete with a nose-ringed nod to her artfully cherished radicalism.
The problem is, she’s no longer play-acting in front her dressing room mirror in Mom’s lipstick and shoulder pads. She’s a grown-up now. That computer monitor links her to the real world where real people have real problems. The real world is also inhabited by people who don’t like thugs who advocate killing other human beings. Nor do they like bigots who actively deny freedom of speech.
AVfM is a site that attracts such people. We are men and women of diverse races, religions, abilities and orientations. Any attempt to vilify AVfM as a hate site is doomed to failure because it is a lie. This site respects all human rights and despises bigots like Emma Claire. This is her opportunity to stop play-acting, and get real.
We have just been Andy-Bobbed.
Love it, and I was waiting for you to wheel one out mate.
Hi – take the red pill honey – you will feel much better for it.
Thank you barbiehighheels,
You just affirmed one of the many reasons I became an MRA. As you might of deduced by now, misandric shaming language and tactics only give us strength and resolve. Keep it up. We need to laugh at our “opposition” now and again.
Barbie, it is so much worse than you can even fathom.
Where else in the world can you find a group of smart men (and a few great women, too) who can NOT be controlled by a woman?
Who are imprevious to your shaming tactics? Who don’t respect even a tiny bit of your female priviledge?
You tried to exploit this priviledge – even naming yourself “barbiehighheels” was an obvious and stupid ploy to use your stale sexuality to manipulate us. You stand before us naked, and all we feel is mild disgust.
I’m not sorry if we hurt your widdle feewings. I’m energized by it.
I would bet that a lot of guys here are too joyful over their freedom from the clutches of female manipulation to do more than laugh at and mock your failure.
Whatcha gonna do now, girl? Flash your cooter?
We are your worst nightmare – free men beyond your control. We will infest your nightmares and there is nothing you can do to stop us.
You’ll try. In your fear you will flail about. And fail, again and again.
Men didn’t want this war. We were happy to work with you as equal partners. You brought the war to us.
But you won’t enjoy it a bit.
“Do you feel like men?”
I don’t hold any “collective feeling”, that’s not what we do here. We are the smallest minority, individuals.
“Do you feel like men now that you’ve launched this smear campaign against a nineteen-year-old university student feminist?”
A smear campaign would assume that the facts are otherwise than they are. They aren’t. Pointing out her age is irrelevant. She’s an adult. It doesn’t matter whether she is 18 or 80.
“Sometimes I feel that as I get older, my ardent feminism softens and I hate men a little less, but I see this hateful (and untrue, slanderous, cruel) post and I’m reminded of why I hate men.”
That’s not anyone else’s problem but yours. It’s unlikely that anyone here has sympathy for your irrationality.
“You’re boys. You’re boys and you feel threatened because a woman isn’t taking any of your shit,”
Please provide an example of said “shit” of which “we” gave, that she then evaluated and did not “take”.
“…so instead of engaging with her on an adult level and reaching out to her, to possibly even explain yourselves and what it is you’re doing here at “A Voice for Men,” you have decided to attack this girl, and essentially validate everything she has been fighting for. You are bullies.”
Translation: You men have agency. Women don’t. The way you would be critical to other men is not the way you can be critical to women. There are separate rules and standards based on gender. Men have to treat women as if they have superior status to them, if you don’t, then they will have “valid” reason to hate you — for not treating them like infants. Treating someone like an adult they are is bullying — if they have a vagina.
“You are despicable, this is disgusting, and I couldn’t be more ashamed of you.”
Yes, shame was once a profitable industry for feminists, traditional women, and white-knights alike. But the stock of that industry is plummeting rapidly.
To borrow from you, less and less men are “taking feminist shit” anymore. Don’t you know that that the economy is in a downturn? Men can tolerate a lot, especially in this culture of altruism and chivalry, but they have less and less tolerance for shit-taking as the margins get thinner. You and your ilk needed to STFU under these conditions, you needed to turn it down a notch, but instead you ramped it up and will continue to ramp it up. This was the worst strategic decision feminists could have made. The more they do it under these conditions, the more red pills will be swallowed. At that point we will ensure the equality that you mouth merely as a platitude is made into actual reality.
“Congratulations, boys. You’ve spewed vicious lie-filled filth into the internet about a lovely young woman who just wants equal rights for women.”
What lies? Go ahead and let us know. Equal rights? She is being treated equally right now. And she does have equal rights. It’s just that your conception of “equal” is not “equal” at all, it is women above men,— the same attitude you exhibit when you said:
“…engaging with her on an adult level and reaching out to her, to possibly even explain yourselves and what it is you’re doing here…”.
“Do you feel like a real man, now?”
I don’t feel any satisfaction or dissatisfaction from you or this woman. I am not like you. I don’t need the validation of others. And I don’t simply “react” to the fires other people fuel. Reality exists apart from the arguments and flaming and shaming and screaming that dominates the landscape. I am primarily concerned with how things actually are, not what other people think.
I assert my values. What you and this woman believe is the antithesis of those values. This is why there is a conflict. Now, if you want to give up and go home, I’m happy to be left alone. Something tells me that that is not going to happen anytime soon.
Barbiehighheels, I can’t make out if your comment was satire, or for real.
“Do you feel like men now?”
I’ve always felt like a man. Thanks for asking.
“Do you feel like men now that you’ve launched this smear campaign against a nineteen-year-old university student feminist?”
How exactly is the detailing of anti-social bigoted activity a “smear campaign”? And of what relevance of noting that she has reached the age of majority?
“Sometimes I feel that as I get older, my ardent feminism softens and I hate men a little less, but I see this hateful (and untrue, slanderous, cruel) post and I’m reminded of why I hate men.”
Because we don’t put up with your shit to create your own personal fantasy land?
“You’re boys.”
And proud of it. Thanks for pointing that out! I consider the term “boy” to be an affectionate appelation.
“You’re boys and you feel threatened because a woman isn’t taking any of your shit,”
Oddly, I’d say it’s the inverse. You try to remind us that she’s ONLY 19, implying she’s “just a girl”, and we aren’t taking HER shit.
“so instead of engaging with her on an adult level and reaching out to her, to possibly even explain yourselves and what it is you’re doing here at “A Voice for Men,” you have decided to attack this girl, and essentially validate everything she has been fighting for.”
Oh, as she reached out as an adult to explain herself at the protest? “Scum! You’re fucking scum!” She attacked. She is validating what WE are fighting for.
“You are bullies.”
No, SHE was a bully.
“You are despicable, this is disgusting, and I couldn’t be more ashamed of you.”
HER actions were despicable and disgusting. Your shame is irrelevant.
“Congratulations, boys. You’ve spewed vicious lie-filled filth into the internet about a lovely young woman who just wants equal rights for women.”
“Scum! You’re fucking scum!” How exactly does that promote anyone’s rights, let alone equal rights? How does abridging people’s right to listen to someone else somehow equalize women’s rights? Seriously?
“Do you feel like a real man, now?”
Always have. Thanks for asking.
“PS if you need me I’ll be getting “misandry” tattooed on my knuckles”
Don’t call us, we’ll call you.
Goofy Feminazi Cunt Said:
“You’re boys. You’re boys and you feel threatened because a woman isn’t taking any of your shit, so instead of engaging with her on an adult level and reaching out to her, to possibly even explain yourselves and what it is you’re doing here at “A Voice for Men,” you have decided to attack this girl, and essentially validate everything she has been fighting for. You are bullies.”
Let me get this straight:
1. Warren Farrell turns up to a university in Toronto to speak about issues that have been marginalised by feminists, manginas and what your goofy ilk refer to as ‘patriarchy’.
2. A bunch of feminazis slandered Dr Farrell in a rather vulgar, derogatory way and try to intimidated his audience. The feminazis slandered men they did not even know, merely because those men were interested in hearing what Mr Farrell had to say.
3. We’re all a bunch of bullies because we’re commenting about one of the women who played a role in setting up an event that led to the slander and intimidation of innocent people.
Sorry bitch, but that the feminazis did is a form of bullying. It doesn’t matter if goofy, insane brain is unable to understand that female bullies are still bullies; having a cunt between their legs does not render their bullying null and void. If you were truly in favour of equal treatment for all then you wouldn’t be turning a blind eye to violent female thugs.
ps. While you’re getting that goofy tattoo on your knuckles, ask the tattooist to tattoo “DUMB FEMINAZI CUNT” and “DO NOT ENTER: HAZARDOUS WASTELAND” across your forehead and vulva, respectively.
I love how self defeating the “this shows how much feminism is still needed” argument is. If these people really are embracing misogyny so much, and they’re doing it in response to feminism, then it just shows how much feminism has completely and utterly failed.
The irony is if they’d step back for a minute, GENUINELY evaluate what the MRM actually wants (sorry but if you’re not a Zeta, you’re just a confused and angry blue-pill taker) and let the Zeta women in the MRA take charge, they’d get the agency they sorely crave (and which I completely agree is a legitimate gripe for women).
The hysterical reactions from barbiehighheels and spookymulder tells me instantly that A Voice For Men is going about this investigation in EXACTLY the right way. Let’s keep up the momentum, and name and shame EVERY single one of the bigots on that video.
Lesson to the feminists: if you don’t want to be called out on your bigotry, don’t demonstrate it in public and be filmed doing so.
First time I logged in. Seeing her say “fucking scum” and the look on her face says it all for me. Could it be that the very heart of feminism, its heart of darkness, was unmasked in that moment?
Seems to me that people hijack ideologies and project their own inadequacies on them. Seems a common thing for humans to do. The Them and Us thing.
Seeing videos of these people hits home much harder. I think words alone dont work as well. The more feminist thinkers can be outed for what they REALLY want and think then everyones better off.
Respect to what you do on this site. Ill be donating a tenner today. Realize its not a lot but I suppose it all helps.
No that is another.
Different face of the same Hydra however.
“The universities are stuffed to the gills with organized, talented, state- or NGO-funded “change agents.”
It is my winter project to trace these foundations,NGO’s and the people that run them.combined with women in top govt positions and also in the UN women’s groups.
If you know of an NGO or foundation funding these activities please make a note in one of your posts here.
If you know who is funding the trust,NGO,or foundation,make a note please.
If you know of a feminist politician who *also* participates in UN women’s groups *and/or* is involved in disbursing or receiving these funds,please make a note in the comments.
I don’t expect to be able to submit a rough draft until early March,and will need help with a tree graphic or other appropriate graphic.
I have lots of time and intend to use it.
oldfart
CUPE publicly endorsed these violent asshats.
Thanks to their support of this episode of disgrace for Canadians, although I do tend to support unions I will make a conscious choice to remove all support for CUPE. Actually, I will publicly support anyone engaged in taking on CUPE in any matter, enemy of my enemy and all.
Provided of course that the opposition to CUPE is not in direct conflict with my ethics.
Are you in Canada yourself by chance oldfart, DannyBoy and I have uncovered a nest of femi-nasties that is currently on the backburner but will be dragged kicking and screaming into the light of day.
To define the “activites” from my post above:
1.Those funding the media hype and begging for public donations.
2.Those funding women’s shelter and the free legal aid organizations.
3.Those funding ‘training’ for cops,judges and lawyer.
4.Those funding on-campus women’s groups,including above definitions.
5.The system whereby judges move VAWA and other public monies into and out of ‘slush funds’ and the originators of that money,be it public or private,govt or obtained from extortion of men via prosecution.
6.ect-you see my line of thought?
(follow the money)
While she’s changed and protected her Twitter, and if experience tells will soon play the victim in every possible way, I concede, Paul, that you’ve shown she was neither private nor shy about any of her hateful beliefs and words, and shared them with the whole internet to her name before someone stepped up and told her to her face those words are wrong.
I still don’t believe in “outing” people as a matter of course, but this woman had outed herself long ago.
Well, I have to work tomorrow, so I get to go, but I leave this site with 409 recent pageviews, 215 cities and 19 countries, have a good night, everybody.
The twitter profile @milktea02 seems to be a supporter of the sexist bigot Emma Claire. http://twicsy.com/i/rWDWVc
edit, 2 more self identified misandrists. @elssakim @sarahchd
Also, I found the source for the background image on Emma’s twitter profile: http://www.flickr.com/photos/miralasolas/5390043964/
Unless she took the pic or got permission, she’s in violation of copyright. It’s not creative commons.
I found another blog that might be Emma’s http://scarberian.tumblr.com/
edit: she’s talking about this article here: http://misandrygangordie.tumblr.com/page/5
Funny thing, when I visit http://misandrygangordie.tumblr.com/page/5, I get redirected back here. Must be a turn-back script she just installed, and it is apparently IP-based not cookie-based because it happens even when I paste the URL in a different browser. It think it looks at HTTP referer and blacklists the IPs of everyone who comes from this page. Maybe someone who can change their IP on demand could test this by pasting the url into another browser (e.g. Chrome if you are reading this with Firefox, etc.), not by clicking on the link.
She eventually closed that blog and another user from here reopened the name and set it to redirect to this page. Anybody who knows that blog was hers will end up here.
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yes… how terrible of AVfM for using their patriarchy mind control powers to force that sweet innocent woman to assault that evil menz like that. Clearly this innocent young child has been completely misrepresented. It was clearly us who made her get up, in public, and scream in that mans face. We should all be ashamed of publicizing what this woman did in public. I am going to hang my head in shame now…
It’s the power of the Patriarchy. It makes 19 year old “girls” do things. Nasty things….
I don’t think Emma was the one screaming in the man’s face. At least not on camera.
oops… I guess they all started looking the same to me… you see enough women screaming down men, they all start seeming alike to me…
Honestly, this stuff makes me embarrassed to be a Canadian liberal.
My mistake, she is a different bigot.
Seems to me the one screaming in that mans face is the one who deserves most to be published.
Yes…….Emma is not Creepy Spittle Girl….that’s another creep. But don’t feel bad…….collective guilt remember.
No Emma has chubbier cheeks and someone noticed the nose piercing is on the opposite side. She has however poster things online about men thatb if they were targeting any other demographic would land her in jail at the very least.
Manginas are already defending her s a “sweet, innocent racist”. Whoops I meant sexist, not racist, my bad one illogical bigot blends into the next so easily.
The nose ring does not appear to be on the “wrong side.” If you look carefully, it appears to be an image she took of herself in the mirror. Flip the image backwards and you will see that not only is the nose ring on the correct side, but the hair part and the features all line up just fine, except she’s hiding her slight double-chin in the shot she took in the mirror that’s caught on camera at the protest. The protest she proudly bragged about being at. Next!
“Do you understand that you are picking on, no, BULLYING, somebody who has done nothing to you?”
Oh my god… are we bullying her? Bullying as in shouting something in a powerless persons face… that kind of bullying? Dear me, how inappropriate of us.
So, just to re-cap… when Emma screams lies about a man in his face (and gets off on it) its all cool, but when people display her actual behavior it’s bullying.
To tamponimpala (Jay Watson,)
“jay watson is a 90s kid” Check it out.
http://www.tumbalyze.com/post/tamponimpala/37599567640
Thank you.
Originally posted by madeofmetals: ( Leah http://madeofmetals.tumblr.com/ )
“Hey I’m going to need you guys to do something about this. The MRA hate group site “A Voice for Men” has recently launched this attack on Emma, which in addition to being fucking absurdly outlandish, is actually just outright bullying and scary as shit. Emma frequently protests Men’s Right’s Advocates online and has been fighting the specific and heinous rape culture/misogyny perpetuated through the “Men’s Right’s” excuse/disguise at her university. The pictures are of the website headline and my comment and my email.
You can comment on the post by registering with the website, but since fighting with MRA’s is a lot like pissing in the wind, what I would recommend is sending an email to abuse@softlayer.com (their domain host) because they’ve listed my friend’s personal information along with how to get back at her which is illegal and terrifying. I’m disgusted and dumbfounded.
And someone called “neutralangel” replied to that post with this: “also i love it when they threaten to find out where i live
And tamponimpala here (Jay Watson,) replied also with this nugget.
“CAPTAIN MICRO MUSHROOM PENIS FEDORA AND HIS SQUADRON OF MOUTHBREATHING NECKBEARDS TO THE RESCUE!!
DEFENDING MANKIND BY ATTACKING ONE YOUNG FEMINIST AT A TIME!!!
I can personally attest that Emma is an incredibly sweet person whose facetiousness about MRAs has been twisted here to just barely resemble “hate”
BUT even if she wasn’t an incredibly sweet person, posting someone’s personal information with threats of harassment and violence is patently fucked up no matter how you spin it
Please do what you can to help her out
Because I am sorry Mens Rights Activists, but this is definitely not the way to earn your cutie marks you stupid fucktrucks.”
And we’re the nasty ones eh?
And from neutralangel:
“also i love it when they threaten to find out where i live
i live in a LITERAL fucking ghost town and I had to fight the county to even GET AN ADDRESS
I live on top of a hill in a windy cabin in the middle of fucking nowhere and I can hear you coming from miles away.
i can’t even get pizza delivered here!!
THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO”
http://madeofmetals.tumblr.com/post/37587033644/also-i-love-it-when-they-threaten-to-find-out-where-i
It’s quite a compressed little hive of misandry there. I recommend having a look and take screen-caps before the circus tents collapse.
LOL
“i have a tattoo that says “all men must die” and I have an ax.”
It don’t get no better th’n this. You go grrrrrrrrrrrl.
You can almost envision a battalion of white knighs leaving their brains behind, jumping in the saddle, and coming to the rescue of the damsel in distress, can’t you?
And all of them in the high hopes that she will bestow exactly him with her sexual attention, and a pat on the head for being a good little lapdog and a convenient utility of amusement.
How much of a psychopathic individual do you have to be to side with the hater, just because she has a vagina, when you are the confessed object of her hate?!
Lemmings..
Kimski,
Lemmings yes.
Mean lemmings that are 50 percent rodent and 80 percent piranha. The remaining 90 percent of their bodies are just hatin’ scrabbly sacks of fur that poop in your earphones and howl at night and.. ok. enough.
I got carried away but yeah – lemmings.
Dear Emma,
Will you please just hold your nose, close your eyes, and have sex with this pathetic grovelling weenie already? The poor boy is humiliating himself all over the internet just to get into your pants. As the mother of a “90′s kid” myself, I find it quite painful to watch.
Yes, but “pathetic grovelling weenie” doesn’t fully cover it though, does it?
How about snivelling, self loathing, spineless, poor excuse for a man?
Ahh, the power of pussy.
Never to be underestimated.
Can someone please point me to where we or anyone published her home or business address, or threatened to? Or her phone#? Because so far as I know we haven’t done that, have no intention of doing it and would not do it under almost any circumstances. But if we have please let me know so I can tender my resignation to Mr. Elam. Thank you.
It didn’t happen, a point that distinguishes you even further from feminism’s violence and hate.
You’re not allowed to resign. That beard and the “deal with it” face are amazing and are required to be present on AfVM (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/deal-with-it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g7eQdYPl4Kc
She is so innocent…. Get real.
ROFL.
Thank you for an extremely amusing and entertaining comment.
You should really consider a career as stand up comedian. Your level of dysfunctional reasoning are going to blow peoples mind.
“You boys clearly feel threatened by Emma,”
You’ve certainly hit the nail on the head here, tampon.
But here’s my question. If it was a bunch of girls who felt threatened by, oh, Emmet… who had written the following items on his twitter account:
Political Position: Kill all women hail satan.
and
There are exactly enough letters in “misogyny” for a knuckle tattoo.
And participated in a protest against a speaker on woman’s issues, chanting slogans like:
FUCK WANDA FARRELL!
and
Wanda Farrell is a child abuse apologist and a dirty whore!
Would you have a problem with a group of girls finding such a man threatening and wishing him to be publicly outed as a right bastard?
I don’t think so.
So here’s the real question, tampon. Why do you think “boys” should be held to a higher standard of threat response then girls?
Is it because you think boys are inferior or superior to girls?
I suggest you watch the video of what you claim never happened where said “poor little girl” slandered individuals and publicly humiliated someone who did nothing to her.
As for what she did to the rest of us, she’s actively part of a movement which perpetuates attitudes which see male survivors of rape and abuse, be they children or adults, be simultaneously treated like perpetual predators and cheap, filthy, worthless sluts!
So SPARE ME the “poor poor Emma” bullshit when as a male survivor, I’m living in the gender reversal equivalent of a Sharia Law based society because of people like her.
This is only the beginning for little bigots like Emma Claire, the self described “queer pinko-commie leftist with bad hair.”
It’s very nice to have her identified early on. I am very pleased with the amount of information we now have and expect we will have a lot more.
This is only the beginning. She’ll never stop this now.
Now that’s just funny. You’d best turn in now dear; it’s a school night.
My thoughts exactly…
Hilarious and very appropriate.
I’m going to be sore from laughing tomorrow.
Damn! I like reading the comments more than the article. It’s been a rock n’ roll cage match in the comments section. Looks like Hateful Emma brought it all to the surface.
I don’t care if she is 19 or 90. She put her hate on the net for all to see, got busted spewing hate on video. When a few folks questioned her hatred and posted articles and tweets about it, she dove for the shadows quicker than a bat in sunshine. Not something you would expect from someone so dedicated to her beliefs.
No doubt the victim card will be played and the tiny violins will play emotional and sad music as Emma cries into her keyboard, writing how much she has been abused because she has been called on to account for her actions and viewpoints.
What’s a girl to do? The trembling lower lip and tears don’t seem to be working anymore. She can always run and hide in Tuluvatu, I hear the climate is nice and the locals are friendly.
Dang! I go to work for a few hours and come home to quite the shit storm. Our trolls might be Booblets; as per usual, Boobzie has them performing a synchronized hissy fit.
Dance Monkeys! Dance!
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No surprises here, but here’s a special little tumblr post from Miss Claire herself.
“lmao @ people who think feminism is about equal rights when it’s about killing all men”
tagged as: hahahha.
Yes, hahahha, who’s laughing now?
(http://areyoutherevodkaitsmemolly.tumblr.com/post/23515178484/misanderysoncooper-lmao-people-who-think)
Yes,
“misandrygangordie” is Emma Claire.
Emma Claire is “misandrygangordie”.
Emma Clair said on her scrubbed Twitter account about herself “queer pinko-commie leftist with bad hair” as does misandrygangordie.
http://misandrygangordie.tumblr.com/post/23267801158/lmao-people-who-think-feminism-is-about-equal
A sweet 19 year old girl harassed? Look how she is responding after all this hullabaloo?
Oh my word, they’re attempting to contact the web host and shut this place down. Such a terribly futile attempt.
(http://missvoltairine.tumblr.com/post/37572817333/scarberian-diachristmas-a-reagi-a-votre)
Heh typical RadFem behavior, if you don’t like something you try to get it killed. Well anyway it’s a good thing I took those programming classes last summer, now I can save her complete blog with the click of a button
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“Misandry” has not gotten any man killed. Misogyny has.”
Tell that to the thousands of generations of men that sacrificed their blood and sweat so that your genetic line could eventually produce you, then come back and bitch about how terrible men have treated women throughout history.
1. Demanding equal rights for men is NOT a crime against women.
2. See below.
3. When was the last time politicians/media/anybody insisted that you were not in control of your own body? — Selective Service, men who are raped and have to pay for child support, circumcision
4. “Misandry” has not gotten any man killed. Misogyny has–most gendercides around the world target men.
2. When was the last time your male gender gave you any disadvantage?”
How about here:
Ok as a male survivor of Domestic violence, child abuse and rape at the hands of female abusers, I need to call BS on the whole slant of your argument.
To start with by tackling the theoretical, not even modern day gender academics who have examined the impact of class upon gender and who have even half a shred of credibility buy into the utter fallacy of “Patriarchy” anymore. If you want to defend that, then please do tell me how homeless men oppress the likes of Gina Rinehart. Good luck doing so without literally coming across like a Nazi.
Furthermore when we apply your feminist logic, with all the wonderful oxymoronic connotations that come with it to reality, it is clear that you feminists are the oppressors, and male abuse survivors like myself are the real victims in society. That’s the practical reality and here’s why.
The fact is that we correctly abhor blaming women for being raped based on them dressing and acting a certain way, yet we vilify and ridicule male rape and domestic violence victims based on the fact that they have a penis.
We look back in horror at the notion of a woman who had been raped being accused of adultery and subsequently being branded with a scarlet letter.
However thanks to gender profiling and “primary aggressor laws”, men who report and kind of domestic violence at the hands of female partners (which in many cases, studies have found to involve them being serially raped by their abusers) are far more likely to be arrested than believed. Furthermore I would add that this also means an extremely high likelihood of them being raped in prison as well. This is despite the fact that countless studies and statistics have found that at least one third of domestic violence victims are male, with some experts such as Richard Gelles and Erin Pizzey arguing that it is equally experienced and perpetuated by both genders.
You say that feminism hasn’t caused harm to men, but all of the aforementioned has been due to the lobbying actions of feminists who perpetuate the myth that the penis automatically makes a man a perpetual predator and incapable of being abused.
That is of course ignoring the fact that female-on-male vaginal rape is almost universally unrecognised as a crime. Now before anyone tries to dismiss this by making the depravedly chauvinistic claim that somehow erect penis equates to automatic consent (which is the very reason female-on-male rape victims are so largely unrecognised), I would point out that it is the gender reversal of determining the legitimacy of a female rape victim’s ordeal based on the engorgement of their clitoris or the erectness of their nipples.
I wont even go into the way society systematically excuses, and enables the predatory behaviour of female pedophiles still to this day (to the point where in some US States, children as young as 12 have been raped by female pedophiles and then forced to pay child support when it results in a pregnancy and subsequent birth).
Feminists like yourselves constantly fear Sharia Law becoming a reality in Western countries. However the reality is that what men face in reality on a daily basis in Western Society is the gender reversal of Sharia Law – where we are vilified and persecuted for living up to the ideals of “being a real man” and vilified and persecuted when we do not live up to them – no matter how much of a genuinely innocent victim of sexism, chauvinism and abuse we may be under the circumstances.
It’s thanks to you and your utterly vile and chauvinistic ilk that male survivors such as myself are simultaneously treated like perpetual predators and cheap, filthy, worthless sluts!!!
So you’ll excuse me if I’m far from sympathetic to the “women have been oppressed throughout the centuries” half truth. The other half of that truth, as inconvenient as it may be for radical feminists such as yourself, is that so have the bottom 99% of men in society – including by the top 1% of women.
“2. When was the last time your male gender gave you any disadvantage?”
The White Feather Campaign:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/pankhurst-white-feather-day/
“2. When was the last time your male gender gave you any disadvantage?”
There have NEVER been any females in the first waves of amphibious assault boats. Duh!
http://tinyurl.com/yknvnqv
I’m beginning to think arguing with gender feminists is as unfair as arguing with retarded people.
Ray, FYI, I’m technicallly classed as “retarded” (learning disability) and have an IQ in the 130s. Next time you want to make a point that would otherwise have been credible (have you not sounded off like a Nazi by going down that path with it), try doing so WITHOUT making it by talking out of your ass!
Wow! It just gets better and bettter.
We should start collecting these comments, and distribute them under the title:
‘Shit that used to work.’
Btw, Inventrix. When were the last time you lived 2000 years as a woman and were oppressed?
Do you also feel the need to support the jews in killing all germans of today, and the black man for killing whites of today, for crimes committed in the past?
“”Misandry” has not gotten any man killed.”
Go look up the white feather campaign of WW1, along with any war you can possibly think of, instigated by female politicians or leaders. We’re waayy ahead of you on that scorelist, cupcake.
Wow, Inventrix – you’ve lived for 2000 Years?
As it happens, Women, oppressed as they claim to be, still live longer and happier lives than men do.
If we adopted feminist “logic”, then we would look for ways to equalize the life expectancy of men and women. You know, equality of outcomes, and all that.
Sorry Inventrix, I can’t hear you over the sound of how little I care.
Thanks for playing, here’s a prize, GTFO.
2. When was the last time your male gender gave you any disadvantage?
3. When was the last time politicians/media/anybody insisted that you were not in control of your own body?
4. “Misandry” has not gotten any man killed. Misogyny has.
Where do I start. First by taking of my gloves. For your information I try to keep a level head and keep my comments reasoned and non emotional. In this case to hell with that. If you come here at all you may have seen a reference to:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men GO READ IT.
It details the systematic cover up, denial and refusal of aid for men raped in war by feminists. Just one bit sets the tone men who were raped up to 11 times per day all but destroying their bowels. Not one or two but thousands. Feminists contrived to “vanish” these men and systematically deny them aid or medical treatment. Every time I think about it my blood boils. Feminists don’t just have blood on their hands they are wallowing in it. To me it puts them right up there with the worst thugs in history. You complain its all unfair well think about those men next time you go to the toilet. I have seen my share of bastardry by feminists but this one act alone absolutely disgusts me to the point where it is difficult to find words.
“Get this through your thick skulls:
1. Demanding equal rights for women is NOT a crime against men.
2. When was the last time your male gender gave you any disadvantage?
3. When was the last time politicians/media/anybody insisted that you were not in control of your own body?
4. “Misandry” has not gotten any man killed. Misogyny has.”
Inventrix’s spew = gross, gender feminist Ignorance, and (is it possible), prejudice and bigotry.
Simple instructions to grossly ignorant spewers of gender feminist drivel:
1. Go to the pull down tab on this page labeled “Mission.”
2. Click on it.
3. Go to the tab labeled “Facts.”
4. Click on it.
5. Dispel gender feminist based, gross ignorance with “Facts.”
Anger is different from hate.
1. Works both ways
2. When I turned 13 and at 18, throughout school and anytime I walk in public around children.
3. Feminists who constantly insist I’m an inch away from murdering/raping women at random.
4. Tell that to all the men who committed suicide because nobody would help them.
I won’t shut up. Simply for the reason that if I do, my wife and daughter won’t be safe from women like you. Heaven help me if I ever have a son and have to prepare him for a world with feminism in it.
I’d be interested to swap places with you for a bit, just to relish that feeling of being responsibility free again. We all look back with nostalgia on childhood don’t we? I suppose I can understand where feminism is coming from if I think about it like that. I wouldn’t do it permanently though. I want my accomplishments to be meaningful and I can’t have that if they’re simply handed to me.
(Side note: Do you suppose that’s why feminism keeps stretching for more and more? Seeking some sort of meaningful accomplishment and finding only disappointment because they’ve demanded everything be given to them rather than earned?)
As a side note. I have provably had sex at least one more time than you.
Inventrix,
We people are fine.
Emma Claire is extreme.
When people study any form of perceived oppression, they can choose whether or not to respond with anger to defend themselves.
We do think men are oppressed. That feminazis want to kill us. Get this through your thick skull:
1. Demanding equal rights for men is not a crime against women.
2. When wasn’t the last time our male gender didn’t
give us a disadvantage?
3. When was the last time politicians/media/anybody
insisted we be in control of our own body?
4. Misandry has gotten plenty of men killed.
Misogyny has too.
5. To all of you feminists: shut the absolute fuck up
already. Just go live the way men are, then come
crying about being oppressed.
Just go………period.
There.
That’s tidied up your irrational little mess.
Next.
Where did Emma learn this hate – from folks like yourselves that’s where.
Catch a clue Emma is not “oppressed” far from it she is a typical product of a feminised victim culture. Emmas plight is not the plight of some poor girl about to be murdered by her own familily for loving a guy from the “wrong” religious sect. Or stoned to death along with men for loving someone of the same sex. These are issues affecting men and women in cultures that have yet to catch on to the notions of humanity first superstitions last.
As for equal rights you are quite correct women don’t have them they have markedly superior ones instead.
As for misandry not getting anyone killed you really have to be blind or incredibly ignorant. For example “misogyny” will get women raped sometimes by the victors combatants in a war whereas “misandry” will get men and boys lined up and shot or more often bludgeoned to death to save bullets.
Misogyny might make a man beat up his wife but she has shelters to go to and and family justice system that will be only too willing to strip said man of home, most of his income and access to his kids. They will do that by the way whether or not the man was guilty – the allegations alone will secure restraining orders and the rest will follow.
Misandry will get a totally innocent man to lose his job, reputation and sometimes his life via false allegations of rape. Misandry got young boys sometimes under 16 “white feathers” from privileged princesses whose only task in the war to to whine for more privileges and to shame more boys and men to do and die while she sits safely at home.
As for shutting the fuck up – well all that has gotten us is a ride for 5 decades along a gauntlet of never ending corridor of whining and abuse from selfish ungrateful navel gaving harridans with an entitlement complex.
Go and read some facts then take your own advice.
I’d love to live the way women have. Let’s start now. Go build me a house and be prepared to bleed so I can live in it safely.
Also, fuck off.
1. No MRA think it does, liar.
2. Are you serious? Read the site here. As a starter for ten, I live on average a shorter lifespan than women yet am forced to retire later, for the same pension.
3. You are hilarious. Utterly hilarious. Ever hear of “circumcision”? It results in the death of a number of young boys each year. Not that you’d give a single shit.
4. See above. Also realise that feminists defend rape shield laws that get men killed, because they are misandric.
“To all of you “men’s rights activists”: shut the absolute fuck up. Just go live for 2000 years the way women have, and then come crying to me about being oppressed. Just go fuck yourselves alone like you must do every single night.”
We’re not going anywhere you pathetic little ball-less mangina. If anything, we ramp up our activity from here. Get used to having a lot more sand in your vagina.
1. You’re right, Inventrix, demanding equal rights for women isn’t a crime at all, BUT KEEPING MEN FROM ASKING THE SAME SHOULD BE, YOU SHIT-FOR-BRAINED SACK OF PUS!!!
2. When has my gender suffered a disadvantage? Oh let’s see… I could list a few areas like when a man was denied treatment for his cancer simply because HE WAS A FUCKING MAN!!! Or every time I hear a people tell a boy who was molested by his female teacher how FUCKING LUCKY HE WAS THAT IT HAPPENED!!!! I could probably list a few more but you would listen on account of you having your head jammed up your ass.
3. The republicans may have tried to tell you that, but you know what, shitsack? WE HAVEN’T!!!! In fact, if you even fucking bothered to spend more than one eighth of a minute on this site, you’d know that we are quite fond of women having control of their bodies. We are also quite fond of men having similar control over theirs. Like I said…PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!
You know what I’m sick of trying to convince you.
To all you of FEMINAZIS (Yes, I’m going to call you FEMINAZIS because at this point, you have thoroughly proven to me that the name deserves to fucking exist) I don’t care anymore what happened to you to make you believe that this bullshit is going to fix anything. I don’t care if your boyfriend left you (I can probably imagine why), if your father never hugged you as child (probably because he realized that he just brought a misandric waste of genetic material like you into the world), or if the local neighborhood boys wouldn’t let you in their fucking club just because your a girl. I. DON’T. GIVE. A. SHIT. ANYMORE. It doesn’t give you the fucking right to blame all men for all the fucking wrong in this world.
Fuck your Ideology
Fuck your misandry
Fuck this piece of shit that your defending.
But most of all… FUCK YOU!!!
If you still believe, after all this, that feminism is about equality then do us all a big solid:
Check yourself into the nearest nuthouse and FUCKING STAY THERE!!!
Have a nice day
Sincerely,
Zarathos022
“Misandry” has not gotten any man killed. Misogyny has.”
Do you know of the Great Wall of China? The only man-made structure that can be seen from outer space? Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of men torn from their families and conscripted into slave labour for the grand privilege of being male under the barest of conditions. And then they died, more were simply rounded up to build this wonder of the ancient world.
The Great Wall is literally man-made. People are still finding the remains of the workers under the foundations even today. In the more rural areas, they’re even selling said remains as mementos to tourists.
1. Demanding equal rights for women is NOT a crime against men.
No it is not…but to continue to demand more and more for women while stripping the rights of men and boys in order to make this happen is not only a crime but it is a crime against 50% of the population.
2. When was the last time your male gender gave you any disadvantage?
Lets see…when I was in the military and women were given preferential positions while I had to spend 45 days of every 50 outside the wire. While they got to spend their time inside a safe and comfortable FOB with air conditioning.
How about when I returned home to a divorce and every attorney I went to told me that I had less than a 10% chance of obtaining custody of my child regardless of the proof that not only was my now ex-wife using methamphetamines but she was taking my daughter to her drug dealer boyfriends house.
How about when my now ex-wife put me in ICU for 6 days with multiple stab wounds and lacerations as well as a broken arm. When I got out I called 17 different shelters in the state and only one of them would even talk to me and all they wanted to do was tell me that it was “all your fault” and that I should have been able to defend myself. Well maybe I should have after all I am 6’4” with military training and a lifetime of martial arts…then again it is very difficult to hurt the mother of your child who is so strung out that they cannot even remember where they put their keys…which by the way is the reason she decided to attack me.
3. When was the last time politicians/media/anybody insisted that you were not in control of your own body?
Not sure….but then again when was the last time the media addressed any men’s equality issues?
4. “Misandry” has not gotten any man killed. Misogyny has.
No I can not give you any proof of any man that was killed due to Misandry but what I can tell you is that the mind set that comes along with Misandry has placed many men in hospitals (myself included) and has resulted in the mutilation of men’s genitals. Had this happened to a woman there would be national outrage.
You will not care about anything I have said but I will never stop fighting to protect those men out there who do not realize that they need protecting. I will never stop trying to create world where my daughter will be treated as a capable adult, this includes the responsibility as well as the choices that come with it.
You can either move out of our way and get rolled over just like the REAL Misogynists’ of the 50’s and 60’s. A change is coming and you cannot stop it.
I am sorry too hear of this situation. I’ve read more accounts of this type of thing happening over the last 15 years than I care to count. Man leaves to go to war, woman decides she’s “not happeeee” anymore, fortified by feminist pop culture and its perverted values-you can have it all- she starts screwing every man she can. She then files for no-fault while the husband is in say Afhganistan, files for mommy support (the law calls it child support but show me one statute where she has to account for how the money is spent, as the law has numerous statutes that can best be summarized as we, the family court-will stick our hand up your ass too look for mommy support and even if we can’t find any we’ll just guess (legally called impute) at what you can pay and order you to pay it.
Another classic i see with serviceman is the mommy getting child support ordered based on the pay the soldier had in civilian life. He gets to come home to a foreclosed house, mommy with live paramour number x+1, and an outrageous arrearge,
In the backround, the states filing for more federal grant money based on the percentage of child support they just ordered, and hiring more college edubacated feminists-man haters like this lovely Emma-for their Health and Human services office.
Another feminist voter; another make-work job for a feminist; perpetuation of customers into the feminist higher ed system.
Its a sick, sick system and you, like me, like many men are a victim of it.
I’ve always felt that around military bases mens rights activists could attract many feminist victims of the system. i hope they start jumping on board.
Nailed it.
From Emma, “none of it really upset me until i got to this part in the comments
“She was never destined for any job more taxing or productive than selling Birkenstock’s to other hairy, man-hating, lesbian separatists, with a decidedly violent personality.
Where it might hit her is in rejection for parental involvement at schools for her future artificial insemination/adoptive children.”
that’s really, really disgusting homophobia and they know i’m queer because of my twitter bio and that hurts. it hurts that they’re implying that any children i might have with a woman wouldn’t be real children and that people will ostracize me because of it
they’re trying to expose me as a hateful bigot, but that’s the most hateful thing that was said on that page and it wasn’t said by me”.
PMSL, I never ever read her bio, I just put 2 and 2 together and came up with man-hating, lesbian separatist and an assumed radical feminist leaning. No where did I say anything about her being lesbian being the “bad” part about her. The shit that came out of her mouth and flowed from her fingers was the disgusting part.
As for “real children” I also said nothing about that either but since she brought it up…..
I fear for the mental well-being of any children in your care. It is about a 50-50 chance the child will be male. You have shown yourself to be uncaring about what his needs would be, unwilling to even listen to Dr. Warren Farrell before drawing erroneous conclusions and joining a group intent on attacking people far more caring than yourself.
There is a much higher chance that any child born to you will be straight, so male or female what values would you impart? That you support misandry? You fucking said so yourself, do not deny it, you hate men. So, you would raise a straight girl with an unhealthy and plain wrong view of men or a boy filled with self-loathing likely to end up in prison or committing suicide.
So, in closing Emma, I could give two flying-fucks that you are a lesbian. Your current attitude limits you to my described likely outcomes for your employment. And, your bigotry virtually assures you will be raising one fucked up child. It is my concern for that child that motivates me to put a big spotlight on people like you. The ones that just fell for some stupid slogans will re-think their positions and, the ideologues that will not turn from hatred will be left alone to annoy hoards of cats.
Please Emma, do not reproduce unless you get your head straight. You are only capable of harming a child with your messed up world view.
the only sympathy I have for this girl is that she apparently hasn’t come out to her parents… that’s her private business. Her public male hate is not.
I don’t know where she gets the idea she’s being targeted for being gay… Who here takes issue (or even cares) she’s gay?
Seriously, part of you didn’t feel a pinge of the type of pity you have when watching the participants of a figurative train wreck when you saw she’d bragged about support from thefemitheist of all people? Woah.
Nothing will help this “poor” woman, and so many like her, more than accountability. Being made responsible for hatred (even if that hatred lies within the safe boundaries of the cultural Marxist narrative) is exactly what needs to happen. Thank you so much Paul and the fellow MRAs that have made this start to happen.
This relates to the “rapebook” debacle, but since this is about naming and shaming, I thought it was relevant here. It concerns Matthew Kagis (https://www.facebook.com/mathew.kagis), who first tried to have AVfM’s facebook page listed as a hate site (https://www.facebook.com/StopRapebook/posts/538175686212025):
Here’s how it went down:
Matthew Kagis:
This page is full of problematic posts/people.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684?ref=ts&fref=ts
Rapebook (https://www.facebook.com/StopRapebook?ref=stream):
Thanks Matthew, so sad that pages with decievingly postive names are just fronts for more hatred of women. Men really need support groups too and I just feel sad that these kind of pages are out there pretending to be something good.
Andrew Richards (https://www.facebook.com/andrew.richards.125):
Matthew and Rape book, shame on you both you disgusting and chauvinistic individuals! Shame on you for trying to get AVoiceformen removed as a hate site. It’s because of people like you gagging the plight of male rape and domestic violence victims (which incidentally AVfM is one of the few places actually dealing with) that those of us who are male victims and survivors like myself are simultaneously treated like perpetual predators and cheap, filthy worthless sluts.
Matthew Kagis: Gee Andrew… Perhaps if AVFM actually did something other than target feminists, harass them online and whine about how straight white men are sooo hard done by in this world, I’d have more respect. Truth is that page attacks women and is FULL of hate speech.
Andrew Richards: Gee Matthew, perhaps if feminists weren’t seeing to it that all male victims of female abusers are arbitrarily regarded by society simultaneously as perpetual predators and cheap, filthy, worthless sluts – either perpetuating the myth that all men are perpetual predators and all women were perpetual victims (if you want to try and argue patriarchy, I suggest you read up on hegemonic masculinities [and by inference hegemonic femininities] and actually educate yourself) and creating systems which enforce such depraved chauvinism such as “primary aggressor laws” – then they wouldn’t deserve to be exposed as the depraved hate-mongering chauvinists they are.
By defending them, you are defending a culture that perpetuates rape, domestic violence, paedophilia and child abuse and in doing so, are no better than radical Islamic clerics who compare women who dress a certain way to “uncovered meat”.
The person supporting hate speech here is yourself!
But then as you have no problem condoning and defending the victimisation of victims of rape, domestic violence and child abuse, we’re already established just how despicable your attitudes are. I’d tell you you should be ashamed of yourself, but it is clear that you are amorally shameless…
Add it to the pile, hehe.
Ok, why exactly is this comment awaiting moderation?
I think stuff with links in it gets picked up as spam until one of the admins knocks it out.
Too many links auto-triggers the filter I believe. Admins have to manual approve it.
Cvar is correct Bowspearer,
I hooked it out when I saw it.
All good, just seemed a bit weird was all.
Bowspearer
It happens all the time. I haven’t stopped for hours as this thread is hot as you can see. Comments can lag and especially so today.
Links will trip up the system and we have to go manual.
The spambots are planning for world domination. I think they need some of the info for their takeover.
I read some of claires present and past twitter expressions from some of the links i found here in the comments section. My assessment of her is that she is, and was before this outing of her for her hateful actions, a mental, confused, wreck. Again, I feel a bit sorry for her, she has been used by the feminist machine and now she has to be responsible for their programming of her because-she said it, and she wrote it. furthermore, her and her followers have gone “victim.” Makiing false claims that MRAs are seeking out her address to cause her harm…the old ho-hum. Anyway, if she outs the ringleader to Paul and company, viscous venom spittle woman or whatever her name is, then…she is old news. where is that noble spittle woman to stand up for her cohorts that she led to battle?
Well Emma picks her allies well.
The Hitler Barbie came to bat for her appearantly and Emma believes this to be a good thing :-S.
Can one person be so woefully ill-informed?
Are there really people this stupid living a stones throw away in Scarberia?
“http://femitheistreborn.blogspot.ca/2012/12/mens-rights-movement-avfm-harassment.html
two articles written about me on the internet in one day
this one’s in solidarity tho :’)” – Emma
And,
“another girl who was targeted by the same people got in contact with me and said that the MRAs got a hold of her real name and she actually had to fake a death and MOVE TWICE just to get them off her back
so you can see why it’s really important that these people are stopped because they’re fucking scum ” – Emma
ROFLMFAO, she has not a fucking clue how batshit crazy the femithiest is, that she threatened to kill her own child and quite seriously encourages women to kill men for being men.
Seriously, anyone actually advertising the fact that someone who has called for institutionalised child sexual mutilation (I presume people remember her “national castration day” genocidal rant) is rushing in to bat for them, is just digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. I’m truly starting to pity her – not because she has a vagina, but because of how much of a masochist she’s proving to be.
I’ve always thought modern feminism is eerily reminiscence of a mental illness. In that respect I feel pity for her but, since she has no issue with claiming men should be killed I will lump her in with the Vincent Li’s of the world.
Sure, they’re sick in the head but, that doesn’t mean I would be comfortable with them in the next room of a hotel. There are places for people like this.
You confuse pity with capitulation
Ah hah! “And, what’s worse, is that the MRAs didn’t even bother to do their research. They think Emma is the “FUCKING SCUM” girl from this video, when she can clearly be seen only once, standing to the left at 0:48-0:49, beside another girl with blue hair:”
Thanks for the correction. So, what is the “fucking scum” woman’s name?
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You seriously don’t get it do you? Feminism is a cancerous culture that far from being about human rights, promotes the notion, through the ideologically flawed shield of “the Patriarchy”, that women can act as depravedly as they wish with absolute impunity – playing the victim card when they’re called to account.
For years feminists have violently opposed any and all men’s issues, demonising even those men who are brutally victimised by the very traditionalist system which feminists claim to oppose. What they have done through “mob rule” has been pure slander, vitriol and hatred. What this article has done is merely state the facts and confirm that she has in fact been a bigot. Whether that remains to be the case, depends on how long she dogmatically clings to the chauvinistic aspects of her personal ideology.
Much like the KKK they have done so though shrouds of being concealed by numbers or anonymity with the digital age.
This isn’t just “one girl” (which I might add is an utterly chauvinistic response as this was an adult, a grown woman who is responsible for her actions), but one of many. From now on, the mob will no longer be a shroud – much like KKKers being unmasked, these violent bigots will be publicly named and shamed, and forced to face the one taboo of feminism – accountability.
The reality is that they’re being done a favour. Until they embrace personal responsibility and accountability, they will continue to deny themselves the agency they claim to so deeply desire.
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Considering all the information was publicly available online by Emma’s own hand, this is hardly doxxing.
Furthermore, if you’d actually read through everything fully, you’d know that what she was actually guilty of here was attending a violent, hate-speech-driven protest and hurling baseless, slanderous abuse at both Dr Warren Farrell and terrorising at least one innocent young man whose only “crime” was wanting to hear Dr Farrell speak.
Or do you condone people engaging in violent behaviour and hate speech with absolute impunity?
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Right so in other words, feminists should be able to treat men and CHILDREN who are the victims of female rapists, female spouse beaters, female ppedophiles and female child abusers simultaneously like perpetual predators and cheap, filthy worthless sluts with complete impunity.
Next time you want to criticise a radical Islamic cleric who makes statements along the lines of comparing female rape victims to “uncovered meat” or similar behaviour, then you might want to look up the definition of “hypocrite” in the dictionary.
Screencaps. It is currently December 09, 2012, 2220 hours. I expect that any provided will not have a date or will have dates after this time. The fact that absolutely none have been provided as of yet is pretty solid evidence that it’s a lie.
“Doxxing” Emma (you have no idea what that entails if you think a name and a face is doxxing, pretty sure no pizzas have been sent), was done to make her aware that her actions have consequences. She acted in the manner she did during the protest thinking she had immunity. She doesn’t and now she knows that. So she’s hiding. It was also done as a public service announcement to men and women in the Toronto area. They now know who this violent bigot is and can avoid her.
Please stow your misogyny. She doesn’t get off lightly for making death threats just because she’s a girl. She’s an adult and adults handle their shit.
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Do you think that feminists preaching this stuff in gender studies give a shit about her? She is just another programed foot soldier thrown into the fray to be ground up in the gender war. Remember she chose to do what she did. I don’t see the feminists pulling the strings in here defending her. They leave that to useful idiots like yourself and others to do it. You don’t get to the generals by carefully stepping over the lower echelons.
http://i.imgur.com/YU9Pe.jpg
“Um, wow. I might recommend taking a chill pill, Elam.”
And I might recommend to you a red pill.
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You mean as opposed to someone who blindly supports an ideology (feminism) which actively and willfully perpetuates a culture shields [female] rapists, spouse beaters, child abusers and pedophiles while vilifying, trivialising and demonising their [male] victims?
Yeah you have so much to feel proud about here – not.
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It doesn’t matter whether or not you identify as a feminist. By taking this stance here, and blindly “protecting the girl”, rather than responding to whether such behaviour is acceptable, that is exactly what you have done.
Furthermore, if you’d bothered to read things through fully, you’d have discovered that this is the start of many naming and shamings for the event, and that this response will be standard fare for any such future violent protests by feminists in response to men’s rights speakers giving talks about men’s issues. If you think she’s somehow being singled out, then you’re in for a very rude shock in the coming days.
Yet according to your attitude, feminists should be able to hide behind vaginas and anonymity whilst they carry out things like death threats, bomb hoaxes and violent hate speech, with complete impunity.
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When I mentioned bomb hoaxes and death threats, I was referring to the feminist zeitgeist as a whole. If you want evidence of that, I suggest you talk to people like Erin Pizzey, Richard Gelles and even our own Paul Elam.
The reason it happens is because feminists can hide behind anonimity and the “immaculate vagina”.
As for violence against her, please point out which posts her are stating threats against her so the moderators here can remove them for breaching the TOU of this site – which unequivocably abhors violence.
@ S-O-E
“I just think that anonymity should be respected, except in extreme cases.”
What anonymity? The only “anonymity” she has is that which she can find by hiding in a mob. She went out in public and joined a mob, the purpose of which was to suppress free speech, slander an innocent man, and harass innocent individuals. Being part of a mob does not grant immunity to the individual.
Would you advocate protecting the anonymity of individuals participating in a klan rally? Like say some 19 year old boy whose internet pages are full of written attacks against racial minorities? I mean, it’s not like the kid has actually killed any blacks, right? Or even beaten them up, right? Heck, some of his best friends insist that those racial slurs and proclamations of white supremacy on his twitter pages, were just jokes, right? He’s just a harmless kid, for cryin’ out loud! So maybe his tweets are a little rude, and maybe he’s just a bit misguided, but geez! Lighten up already!
Right?
You aren’t college kids. You are adults. You are privileged adults that will be assuming positions of power in our society.
You arent entitled to protection from your own actions by mom and dad.
There is no persecution here. Only some people are holding up a mirror to ugliness. This “college kid” and yourself are always encouraged to look at that reflection of your warts and ugliness and …learn from it…and step away from what is wrong. But that will take courage and taking responsibility for yourselves. As long as you choose to call yourself college kid and make apologies for other “college kids” you will not get their.
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This is an example of why most of us choose not to engage feminists or white knights for very long. Banned.
A suppository perhaps?
” I don’t think that saying stupid shit online…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g7eQdYPl4Kc
Is this online? Is this something stupid? It is bigotry, harassment, and threatening behavior in your face and in person.
Where is her apology? Why is she not sorry that she did that? Start taking responsibility.
That is what “real women do”. LOL
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“Um, that’s kind of unpleasant.”
Really. Tell me, if it was a mob of men doing that to a woman, would you be so restrained in your response, or would you be calling it out as utterly despicable? Or would that be “different”
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If you can only say you’d “probably” feel the same way as opposed to “definitely” then it speaks volumes to your ACTUAL position here and the chauvinism deeply ingrained in it.
@saurons_other_eye
If it were a mob of men doing that to a woman, you wouldn’t have to weigh in on whether or not they should be “doxxed” because the police would have already arrested them and their names would be in every paper.
What this girl is getting is mild in comparison. We are merely bearing witness to her words and actions.
Typhon, that’s just cruel. I suppose you like pulling wings off of flies too? Seriously, how dare you torture this poor helpless closet feminist with the blazing and agonising light of truth. You know the truth is an utterly toxic and poisonous to their worldviews. That’s just mean!
They’re women actually.
“And I read that there are seriously people making violent rapey comments about her. ”
No there weren’t. That is as much BS as Elevatorgate. Have you not seen the melodramatics she engages in?
Whoever wrote “what you read somewhere” (and a reliable source that is) is full of it.
“…the next great human rights movement?”
This phrase is frequently used by David Futrelle.
1. You’re just some dumb asshole, too.
2. She wasn’t doxxed, you fucking moron. She put her own name publicly on everything she said, thus your mention in #1
3. I have no doubt you have said way stupider shit, but not by much.
4. I love that you read that “somewhere” there are people making rapey, violent comments about her. Go lecture the rapey violent people if they actually exist. They are not here.
5. Based on your understanding of “accomplice” I take it you are not pre-law.
6. You almost made a point in your last paragraph, though you are too stupid to understand it. The fact is that the culture we live in, largely furthered by people like you, is what is granting legitimacy of this type of speech being issued by your average college student. I am challenging the legitimacy of that kind of thinking. You should, too.
7. ESAD
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You’re a feminazi enabler.
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Please send the ones that were at the protest. I think we can handle them.
Hamsterlation, if I may:
Holy shit the water’s DEEP here! I hope none of my friends read this. I’m outta here, tossing insults over my shoulder as I hightail it back to the kiddie pool.
Can’t wait for the canadian police to show up at my doorstep, some, uhh,13000 km away, where they have absolutely no jurisdiction whatsoever.
Yeah, that’ll be a day to remember, as I laugh my ass off and sick my lawyer on them.
You don’t seem to get that we’re just way too many MRA’s now, coming from every nation on the planet, and in case AVfM gets shut down in the US, it will be a matter of hours before it rises from the ashes in some other country. And most likely with the exact same crew at the helm.
Wtf do you think all those red dots on the world map are?
-Christmas lights??
saurons_other_eye
Now. How many lights?
This is what an MRA looks like..
saurons_other_eye
saurons_brown_eye
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I thought you had exams
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And yet the term “abuse enabler” comes to mind in terms of your own conduct here, along with that of a few other individuals in this thread.
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Oh, now were down to “sorta doxxing?”
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A threat is:
“I am going to do something bad to you.”
A threat is not:
“I wish/someone should do/it’d be great if… something bad happened to you.”
Manboobz, take notes here. If you’re going to plant threats, make them actual threats not rude statements.
You know something, dumbass, I’m pretty sure that most people thought that the SCUM Manifesto was stupid shit. But it didn’t stop the ladies from Radfem Hub from buying into it now did it?
This asshole your defending stirred up a fucking hornets nest by saying the shit she’s said and done at that protest
And now it’s time for her to get stung for it.
If you got a problem with that, then you’re no better than her.
It never ceases to amaze me that no matter what immoral behavior they display or crime they commit, feminists always manage to find a way to weasel out and play the victim card.
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“Well, no. I fully endorse your right to criticize such people, because they sound like real assholes. I don’t, however, think that being an asshole is grounds for outing and/or real-life harassment. That’s taking a baseball bat to the guy who shoved you into a locker.”
Not at all. Let me put it this way. If a member of the KKK who had been actively supporting racial vilification, lynchings and sending out death threats were unmasked and word spread around about them, that would hardly be “taking a baseball bat to the guy who shoved you into the locker”. What it would be though is making them accountable for their actions.
Now if somehow this did degenerate into violence, then I’d be inclined to agree with you. However this is nothing more than publicly scrutinising her and her conduct – something which many militant feminists will have to deal with over the coming months and years. If women wasn equality and agency, then part of that involves being accountable and taking responsibility.
What happens at a peacful non violent protest? People hold up placards even chant some words. Getting in peoples faces is not the above. Even if she didn’t get in someones face she was quite happy that others did. To not at the very least express some reservations means she was in agreement. Did she object in private? I would say not as feminists turn like rabid dogs on anybody who doesn’t toe the line. Since they have not I assume she did not object to what happens.
“That’s taking a baseball bat to the guy who shoved you into a locker.”
Umm, no, that’s taking a imaginary baseball bat to the grrlz who have continued to shove you into a locker for more than 60 years, in every media and at any chance they got, while slandering your side of the demographic with lies, falsifying every available stats on the sexes, and making themselves appear as the perpetual victims of abuse throughout recorded history and beyond.
You know, there comes a time when enough is just enough, and you’re told to own your shit or face the consequences.
It’s also called ‘growing the fuck up’.
Holy cow. If someone like Dr Warren Farrell can bring on such a torrent of hatred and abuse from the feminist baboons, I can’t imagine what would ensue if Paul Elam and JTO decided to hold a conference on the MRM at a Canadian university.
I will SO be there!
Sauron, that “um,” you keep using is a vocal inflection born out an in-person conversation when it’s your turn to talk but you’re not ready yet. It could also be someone pretending to be a dumbass in a written conversation. Even in person, if you keep using it you might want to consider thinking about what you say before you try to say it and nothing comes out. ummmmmm
Aimee said something and it’s got me thinking. If we simply name and shame, it isn’t enough. We want justice and we’re angry (and from personal experience I can say that it’s entirely justified). However even if we want justice for ourselves, where is it coming from?
Is it an act tilted more towards hatred, or more towards love?
As many people have said, the “footsoldiers” like Emma, and those who run to her defence, are either tragically brainwashed, beginning from an early age, or have tragically taken the path to hate when dealing with some terrible wounds.
People joke about “daddy issues” with some feminists, but if they’re survivors of abuse themselves, then the cause is no laughing matter at all – in fact joking about it is quite vile tbh.
We talk about justice, but what did Socrates, Plato and Aristotle say about justice- that it was a restoration of an injustice and sometimes it meant doing good things for the criminal. By that, they didn’t mean lavishing cash on them and rewarding them, but say in the the case of criminals driven by addiction, sending them to rehab. In cases such as this, it means an “intervention” of sorts, where destructiveness is exposed in a way that it cannot be denied.
That brings us back to here? Once we’ve exposed them, then what? Do we want them to be broken messes of human beings drowning in their own guilt and denial, or do we want them finding the light, discovering justice and becoming a force for GENUINE equality – where men are valued for their character and women are given the agency they so sorely deserve as a basic human right?
I realise we’re all of different religious beliefs here, however I’d quote the wise words of Christ. “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”.
I know what people would say – why should we love those who hate us an in many cases, want us exterminated and perpetually victimised by society? The answer is because unlike those who dogmatically adhere to feminist ideology, we genuinely want a society where every single person is valued and respected for who they are – regardless of their gender.
And therein lies the rub. I’d encourage each of us here to follow Aimee’s example and pray for these poor tragic individuals that they find healing and come to know justice and truth. If you’re not religious, do everything from a perspective not wanting them to see the light and personally become a force for good.
It’ll come through in your actions in spades, contrary to what people might think.
I realise that with very few exceptions, noone will be acting out of an anger which has led to hate, however there is a difference between acting out of hate, acting out of ambivalence for someone, and acting out of love for them.
“Do what love requires, even if it is not great busy-ness”
I’m not going to comment on this thread again because my best actions are those of silent upholding to the Light – for all here and in the acknowledgement of all forms of human suffering.
I’m reminded of the White Sash protestors against apartheid – they did not shout and scream, they stood in silent witness.
This harpy needs to learn that you can’t simply delete what you post on the internet and *poof* all the evidence disappears.
She deleted her tumblr (http://misandrygangordie.tumblr.com/), which I have re-registered to redirect to this page.
Nice.
MRAs rock.
Oh my, I just got a little tingly.
You may want to change your handle to Prince of Evil.
heh heh heh
I would very much like to speak to you. If interested, please contact me at paul@avoiceformen.com.
Thanks
I would like to congratulate Emma for making our featured offender list. It is not easy to be a member of that group. You worked hard at hating men and boys to get there. I am sure you will go down in the Feminist hall of fame, alongside those other hailed women- for example, Valerie Solanas and Andrea Dworkin. You know, those hate-mongering women that are icons to gender studies and Feminist groups worldwide.
emma claire
emma claire
@goawayforever
queer pinko-commie leftist with bad hair
Toronto · misanderysoncooper.wordpress.com
The above is a ‘copy and paste’ from her Twitter home page and I think her own description sums her up pretty nicely.
Calling her a Stalinist, is pretty much on the money!
@Sauron:
“What the hell are you on about? Yes, connecting someone to their face and name and (effectively, given the context of the video) location is doxxing, by any reasonable measure. Just what more criteria do you need?”
No, that’s inconvenient for those who wish to hide their actions. Ms. Emma was apparently convinced that making death threats against men and generally spouting out bigotry was okay. Attaching her name and face to those exact words and then publicly calling her out on it has caused her to scurry away. Inconvenient for her, but not much worse.
Getting doxxed is far, far worse than just having your face and name attached to bigotry you’ve spouted publicly(under a pseudonym). We can assume she’s a student of UoT because she went to that rally and some of her tweets (other peoples comments confirmed it, she should be upset with her friends for being so frank about where she attends school), but that is not her address. Her phone number is still private, credit card info, if Canada has the equivalent of a SSN that wasn’t released. Her parent’s/sibling’s(if relevant) information was not released. Neither was her (presumed) girlfriend’s. Depending on the interest of the person doing the work, it could involve extended family as well. Getting doxxed is having every bit of information about you ripped out and posted publicly. It’s dangerous and imo, unethical, as once it’s posted you’ve lost the ability to control it.
Face.
Name.
Twitter.
Embarrassing. Possibly harmful to future career/life choices? Maybe, but easily explained away(“I said some stupid, hateful, things on the internet when I was younger.” I’d give her a chance, but I’d hire felons too.) Permanently crippling? She was barely scratched. Given most peoples internet habits, that information is almost freely available. Agent Mauve (and anyone else who worked on it) probably had far more than what was released. She should be glad. If she had stepped afoul of feminists she’d be getting threatening phone calls at least and probably vandalism of her home and vehicle.
Emma, where did your “dick is also the name of many many men” page go?
I think some may miss this intro you posted today:
• my name’s emma and i’m a 19 year old university student from toronto
• i major in poli sci and double minor in women and gender studies and history
• i’m queer as hell and i talk about mental illness things on here a lot (so if you need me to #tw anything for you, just send me a message and i’d be happy to oblige)
• i used to write jokes, but now this blog is mainly just for mundane updates about my life
• i’ve recently discovered pop music after spending years as an “only-indie-ever” music snob, so if you’re of the “top 40 music sucks!!!” persuasion, we probably won’t get along
• i’m involved in toronto politics to a degree, so you’ll probably see stuff about that on here too
• this is not an MRA/sexist/racist/transphobe/homophobe friendly zone
• welcome 2 my blog, you’ve made a huge mistake
Thank you!
To the cretins wanting to protect the anonymity of this young woman, no doubt you’d be falling over yourselves to protect the anonymity of a similarly aged young man who’s political stance was “kill women” and who expressed a desire to to have “misogyny” tattooed across his knuckles?
I have an 8 year old daughter who has a better understanding of accountability and personal choice than this revolting moron. She’s been brought up to understand that when you act like a fucking arse towards people, the reaction you might get can be really uncomfortable.
Do you REALLY think a whole generation of young men are going to sit back and silently do NOTHING forever while these pigs talk about killing them, calling them rapists and incest supporters, and trying to brainwash young boys into thinking they are nothing but shit that needs remoulding into a feminist lapdog?
Despite the best efforts of feminized education systems, the majority of future innovators, entrepreneurs and business owners will continue to be MEN, because men do stuff like that when they’re not busy ‘raping’. Do you REALLY think those future employers are going to suddenly forget how they’ve been treated like a disease by their female contemporaries?
Thanks for making the future life of my daughter a whole lot more difficult, while you continue to throw up shit into your deranged loony bubble.
I sincerely hope and expect nothing physically untoward will happen to Ms Claire – she’s probably a lot safer in a group of MRAs than she would be amongst those weird, creepy feminist ‘men’.
However, a lifetime of hate-induced unemployment, soul-searching and realization of having pissed one’s life up against a wall, is nothing less than she deserves.
I tried to leave the following post on Futrelle’s article:
Is manboobz.com a playground for patients from North America’s most notorious psychiatric ward?
Seriously, the amount of insane drivel on here has the potential to cause any sane person to ask the aforementioned question. The fact that you fuckwits are trying to portray this goofy, hatemongering feminazi as as a “victim” is beyond insane.
The hatemongering feminazis who protested against Farrell were shouting vulgarities and physically blocking all entrances to the building. That’s intimidation and a suppression of free speech, which is a form of violence. Go watch the videos on YouTube if you don’t believe me, and you’ll see that these feminazi dykes and cunts — as well as the mangina losers who were sniffing around for a sympathy fuck — used foul, aggressive language while barricading the entrances so that the men who wanted to attend the meeting could not get inside.
If a bunch of men did that at a women’s conference then you loopy cunts would claim it’s “proof” that MRAs are uncivilised and violent. Anyone who has a shred of credibility and objectivity can see that the purpose behind these cunts’ actions was to intimidate and suppress the voices of people they do not agree with. If you dopey cunts think that’s okay then it proves that you’re nothing but a bunch of hatemongering fascists who need to spend a night in a watchhouse, as it’s patently obvious that you’re too deluded, stupid and hateful to learn the art of acting decency any other way.
I find it ironic that you losers claim that MRAs are violent. Do I need to remind you spasticated cunts that feminists are violent murderers who intimidate anyone who doesn’t bow down to them?
Take the case of Erin Pizzey as a prime example of what I’m talking about. The feminazis in England murdered her dog and sent numerous death threats to her family, for no other reason than she publicly stated that the women who came to her women’s shelter — Pizzey set up the first women’s shelter in England — were every bit as violent as the men they accused of attacking them. Poor Erin was exposed to so many threats a well organised group of feminazis that she had to flee the country and resettle in the USA.
Don’t take my word for it, see for yourselves:
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=a41532d6-d4df-46a2-a784-f6499938f3b0
Pizzey isn’t the first person to experience violence at the hands of feminists. Researchers from the USA experienced something similiar. I think Strauss was one of the victims. Another one was a woman, but I cannot remember her name.
I suppose I’m going to be banned now for speaking the truth, just like you cunts did to gateman. On manboobz.com, only feminist lies and libel directed at MRAS is tolerated by its fat, goofy, unloved owner and its filthy, insane, deceitful, hateful community.