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Trigger warning: Feminism

What the fuck is up with all these “trigger warnings” on feminist websites? Every time I go to wade through one of their articles, looking for the occasional cogent idea, I first have to read one of their warnings about what they are going to say in the article, apparently to keep me from freaking out when I read it. It rarely works. Probably because they don’t have trigger warnings for stupidity and lies. So, I have to figure that the warnings are more for their “regulars” than for likes of me. Still, questions arise.

Being the intrepid investigator that I am, I wanted the low down on the subject, so I did a Google search on the term and clicked though the first return I got. It took me to a site called Geek Feminism sumptin’ or another, and sure enough a nifty little primer on trigger warnings filled my screen, with no warning I might add.

Here’s how they describe it. (Warning: I am assuming this definition is safe to read. It does mention self-harm, though there was no warning about that beforehand.) I know, it is confusing, but you know I already told you where it came from.

Trigger warnings are customary in some feminist and other spaces. They are designed to prevent people who have an extremely strong and damaging emotional response (for example, post-traumatic flashbacks or urges to harm themselves) to certain subjects from encountering them unaware. Having these responses is called “being triggered”.

Now, does it surprise me that feminist bloggers figure their readers can’t make it through an online article without doing something stupid? Nope. Not at all. In fact, I have to give them kudos for knowing their audience. Camille Paglia, noted feminist and author, also knows the audience well, to her apparent dismay. She put it like this:

Let’s get rid of Infirmary Feminism, with its bedlam of bellyachers, anorexics, bulimics, depressives, rape victims, and incest survivors. Feminism has become a catch-all vegetable drawer where bunches of clingy sob sisters can store their moldy neuroses.

I gotta say, Paglia does have the gift. And she nails it here with one minor exception. You can scratch the delineation of “infirmary” from the equation. In other words, if you want to see the mental ward of modern feminism just turn on your TV, pick up a newspaper, watch a few minutes of C-Span or go to any feminist website and observe what a big steaming pile of sick fucks they all are. Infirmary feminism? Is there any other kind?

One might pop up and say. “Hey Paul, what about Paglia herself? She is a feminist. Doesn’t that prove NAFALT?”

Uh, no. It doesn’t. Camille, sooner or later, will have to resign herself to the fact that she subscribes to Paglism, a good enough philosophy, but not feminism. Feminists, the only ones that matter, are those with power and influence over law and social discourse. They are the hair-brained mental defectives; the ones that spend day in and out obsessing on and writing about rape and other trauma, for an audience they openly assume is not mentally stable enough to read it.

Is it any wonder that feminists manage to traipse through life unopposed by people with brains? Again, I say no. No one wants to argue with a retarded kid, especially one with a vagina.

Indeed, I suppose since we are dealing with trauma triggers for emotional imbeciles, which literally includes the entirety of the English language, and a few of them are likely to read this, I should have issued the appropriate alerts. Is it too late? Probably, but I don’t want it on my conscious that I clogged up emergency rooms with sickos making fake suicide attempts. So here we go:

Warning: This article contains all sorts of triggers. It has the word “rape” in it so please avoid all words that begin with the letter “R”. It also has references to trauma, which might be traumatic, or might trigger trauma, especially the kind you inflict on yourself because you’re a sick fuck. There are triggers in this article so big that Roy Rogers could mount and ride them. But wait, Roy Rogers is dead. Trigger warning: Dead cowboy! Come to think of it, his horse is dead…and stuffed. Trigger warning: Dead Trigger! Taxidermy!

Also, if your eating habits make you look like a resident of Auschwitz; if you can’t resist the impulse to eat seven bags of potato chips and then jam two fingers down your throat for desert, or if your idea of emotional pain management involves dragging razor blades across your wrists just deep enough to cut through capillaries and then calling 911, then consider this a Super Duper Extra Special Trigger Warning With Power Attachments. Better put your blindfold on before reading another line. Better yet, make this the last article you ever read anywhere. You never know when some unenlightened lout is going to cause you to starve yourself because he didn’t warn you he was going to mention a ham sandwich.

I don’t know about you, but I feel much better now. That may be short lived. Those geeky feminists also inform us that there are some of their ilk who believe the even a passive mention of “triggering” words and phrases, outside any emotional context, could give rise to fucktarded, self destructive behaviors or an acute episode of post traumatic stress. To wit:

Some people argue that even factual, dry mentions of the above subjects should be warned for. In some sections of Media fandom there are also arguments that warnings should be made for:

 

  • depiction or discussion of violence
  • depiction or discussion of particular kinds of consensual sexual activity (BDSM, homosexual encounters, heterosexual encounters…)
  • depiction or discussion of any consensual sexual activity
  • depiction or discussion of discriminatory attitudes or actions, such as sexism or racism

After I stopped laughing (which took quite a while) I began to wonder about the Catch-22 this presents.  What the fuck is a trigger warning if it is not a dry, factual mention of these subjects? Aren’t they telling us, in fact, that trigger warnings are a trigger? (sigh) So many idiots, so little time.

Just wondering aloud here, but wouldn’t it be better to just put a trigger warning on feminism itself? I mean, hopefully that would have the effect of driving out the mentally deficient from their ranks. Never mind. They couldn’t afford it.

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  • Zorro

    Some days I just wish feminists would put down the feminism and rejoin the human race.

    Then I sober up. They’re fembots for the same reason Tom Cruise is a Scientologist: it makes them feel special and superior…and that’s how I know they have a mental disorder, are hopelessly immature and narcissistic to their bone marrow.

    • Zuberi

      I hate to break it to you but they’re rejoining of the human race will not alleviate their childlike narcissism nor their astronomical stupidity.

    • BeijaFlor

      Zorro, could you please avoid the word “Scientologist” here? It’s a trigger for me – it makes me flinch, giggle, and lose my TRs. Then I wonder if the Washington, DC org’s Ethics Chit is still in force on me, and ponder whether I need to get out my E-meter and run a Jo’burg security check list on myself with the Solo Audit Course tools from my last course at FCDC.

      (Flinch – Giggle … Stone-faced composure dissolved)

    • Darryl X

      Feminism is a kind of malignant narcissism. It is characterized by solipsism, opportunism, parasitism, predation, manipulation, compulsive pathological lying, laziness, superficial affect, addiction to power and control, lack of analytical skills, glibness, lack of remorse or guilt or empathy, lack of personal responsibility, inability to make long-term plans, short-sightedness, and impulsivity. Currently, these characteristics define our culture under a totalitarian post-feminist dystopian fascist police state.

  • Zuberi

    LOL! In other words, the trigger warnings are for the diseased feminist trash who lack the IQ points and the self control to refrain from destroying their computer monitors whenever they read articles that hurt their feelings.
    I find this to be utterly laughable and Pathetic!

  • Tawil

    No one wants to argue with a retarded kid, especially one with a vagina.

    ROFLMAO

    I read an article by a crazed feminist claiming that Borderline PD is nothing more, and nothing less, than a set of behaviours triggered by the patriarchy- that in fact the whole diagnosis BPD is a conspiracy by the patriarchy to hide the existence of the patriarchy. This interpretation of BPD has a lot of currency among feminists.

    There are a lot of cutters within feminist ranks…. perhaps the majority.

  • Kimski

    Mad as hatters, as I’ve said on numerous occasions before.
    You might not want to dig too deep into this special brand of insanity, since it is highly contagious, Mr.Elam.

    I would really hate to read a note stating that you have suddenly suffered a mental breakdown and become bulimic, anorexic or confined to a padded room screaming: ‘I’m a feminist! -I’m finally a feminist!’ at everyone visiting.

    The loss to our cause would be too traumatic, and I might have to fake a suicide as a sign of sympathy. That is of course before moving on to a self inflicted depression, with a major neurosis on the side.

    Well, I’m off to eat half a grocery store and throw it up later, and sorry about forgetting the trigger warning, by the way..

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      LMAO

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    Feminist websites are boring as bat shit.

    “Trigger Warning” eh ? More like bloody “Trigger Yawning”.

  • TriggerWarning

    Great idea!

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com John the Other

    Trigger warnings are, we must be repeatedly reminded, the orange-painted guard-rails on free speech provided for apparent adults unable to cope with an opposing opinion without some kind of emotional trauma. Imagine if this were true, imagine, full grown women all across the world dissolving into panicked sobbing every time something in the real world upset their narrow, pampered concept of preferred reality. Horse-shit.

    Trigger warning are actually a semaphore signal for staged panic, pretend victimhood and the privileged protection from scrutiny and accountability that victimhood confers. Im upset! boo too, I’m traumatized, somebody quickly, silence that opinion, gag that voice who doesn’t agree with me. Triggers warnings are a portable tyranny of censorship and censure, ready made for lying scumbags pretending women are brain damaged children.

    • JinnBottle

      JtO – True enough. Actual mental patients have to worry about pee on the flipside of their mattresses; feminist princesses worry about the pea.

    • http://forsakeneagle.blogspot.com/ ForsakenEagle

      I am, as I’m sure all of you guys are too, sick and tired of hearing about how “we need to be more sensitive and hold thy tongues for the greater good.” We always hear how we need to “learn from history to prevent tyranny,” but feminists and friends always promote social unrest and freedom-curbing laws for the sake of their and only their feelings. I think I am convinced that the only thing most people can learn from history is that most people don’t learn from history.

    • JinnBottle

      Clarence Darrow’s observation that the “anti-Red” influence in government was “making a madhouse of a once free nation” in 1919, could be applied, with absolutely no size alterations, to feminism, 21st c.

    • BeijaFlor

      Triggers warnings are a portable tyranny of censorship and censure, ready made for lying scumbags pretending women are brain damaged children.

      You mean women aren’t brain-damaged children? They act like it…

      • Darryl X

        Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If not braindamaged then at least their development is arrested at three years of age. I had a supervisor I and my coworkers referred to as our fifty-eight year old three year old.

    • Darryl X

      Feminists manipulate others with the public spectacle of their chronic victimhood. Advertising “triggers” is one way they do it.

  • JinnBottle

    Good points, JtO. I was reading a feminist commentary thread somewhere recently; there was a woman there who “felt oppressed by Beethoven”. And she couldn’t figure out how someone couldn’t see the oppression in his motifs.

    “These people [infirmary feminists – like Dworkin, Rich, etc] should be given attention, but as objects of pity, not leaders to be emulated.” – John Gordon, literature professor at UConn.

  • Skeptic

    Rape.
    Domestic Violence.
    The Patriarchy.
    Male privilege.
    Suicide.
    Sexual Harassment.
    Men.
    Boys.
    Penis.
    Masculine.

    There you go. That should keep feminist trolls away so we can get on with a discussion.

    • JinnBottle

      ROFLMAO!

    • BeijaFlor

      Trigger warnings? They sound like a rockin’ party!

      How come nobody invites me to parties like that?

      Oh, I get it … Age-ism …

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      Actually that sounds like the nightly Nancy Grace show, the principal audience being PTSD adled “trigger” happy sheeple-ettes.

      Aren’t ALL the law & order, murder & mayhem CSI Miami/LA/NewYork/Bugtussle show audiences mainly …women?

      “Trigger warning” means READ ME! READ ME! READ ME!

  • Rad

    Consideration for “being triggered” does not come from being tactful. It comes from assuming everyone is a victim, and that the victims can never manage their present alignment to past events.

    This presumption is important to encourage consistently as it allows individuals an excuse to disempower themselves and play out this public victimhood announcement. Once disempowered, they are easy to manipulate, which is useful in the wholesale selling of lies. Thinking people are difficult to delude. Indeed, attempting to empower individuals runs contrary to gaining power over them.

    Disempowerment is only needed when you don’t have the truth on your side.

    Observe the difference here, as some people see the MRM and feminism as two sides of the same coin. MRAs advocate self-actualization, implicitly this follows for women. Feminism is out to instruct both women and men that they have no volition: That women, no matter what their character and circumstances, are a permanent underclass of victims and that men, no matter what their character and circumstances, are the oppressors of women. This includes the white knights and feminist sympathizers, whose defaulted, unchallenged, (and in probably in most cases) undeserved guilt is exploited.

    We had a talk about the religion of feminism recently. Well, here is another point on that topic: Christianity has original sin, which is a mechanism of control and power over the behavior of others. Feminism has its own version of defaulted guilt (or victimhood) as described above.

    Whenever you need people en masse to believe in illusions, you will need these kinds of mechanisms…or should I say, “triggers”.

  • Kai

    Jezebel weighs in: http://jezebel.com/5516969/trigger+angry-the-politics-of-internet-trigger-warnings

    I think the reasoning about trauma is understandable. The problem I have with it is the *culture* that surrounds “trigger warnings”. There isn’t any effort within the community to recover from the trauma or find a place where less and less things cause triggers. I don’t think it’s done consciously, but subconsciously they want to hold on to that vulnerability and sensitivity because to them being the victim is the source of their power and authority. Case in point, the Jezebel article. Who in their Politically Correct mind will argue against someone who has been raped? Or defy feminist theory that depends upon the victimization of women for its moral foundation? If you question that, what are you some sort of misogynist rape supporter?

  • Codebuster

    Trigger warnings are very useful. A trigger warning is in effect saying “MUST READ! SHOCKING BUT TRUE STORY!” I think that might be another purpose by authors for trigger warnings – a form of gratuitous advertising, to catch reader’s attention and draw them in – even if it might carelessly precipitate a post-traumatic stress response in a reader or two. Like exclamation marks and WRITING IN CAPITAL LETTERS, trigger-warnings are a cheap, tabloid-style method of shouting. Of course they’re usually crap, poorly written articles, but it’s amusing that the feminist authors think that their audience needs to be “protected”. So feminincompoops are having palpitations and stressing out. And they’re advertising their distress in their trigger warnings. Isn’t that part of our fun? Comes with FTSU.

    Aren’t they telling us, in fact, that trigger warnings are a trigger? (sigh)

    There is a way around this, Paul. You provide a lead-in trigger warning, warning of the full-on trigger-warning. Because it’s scaled to a much lower level than the full-on, you can make the initial shock reaction more manageable, to prepare the poor reader for the full-scale alert. You can even provide stages, such as:
    Level 1: Are you sitting down? No? You should be;
    Level 5: A trigger warning is imminent;
    Level 10: Full-blast, no-holds-barred trigger warning (have sedatives within easy reach).

  • http://none universe

    “Trigger warning: Feminism”
    – Yup. The essay title says it all.
    Feminism. (That’s all I need to hear). Grrrr.

  • Not buying it

    :) :) man oh man thank you Paul, i haven’t laughed So loudly & from the heart in Quite a long while , But wait, Roy Rogers is dead. Trigger warning: Dead cowboy! Come to think of it, his horse is dead…and stuffed. Trigger warning: Dead Trigger! Taxidermy!, give rise to fucktarded, infirmary feminism cause you to starve yourself because he didn’t warn you he was going to mention a ham sandwich. No one wants to argue with a retarded kid, especially one with a vagina.:) :) , hey Paul although a comedian is a career you might consider Do not bud for our sake please, & thank you again, may oh may i can see them trying to attack you by accusing you of making fun or special needs kids the fucktardeds feminazies,these people lack not just brains & emotional stability but sense of humor too.

  • Merlin

    Good article, Paul…and what a laugh

    Trigger Warnings? What a crock! I’ve never heard anything quite so crazy in my life. They don’t need any trigger warnings when it comes to “green backs” do they?

    Dollars
    Diamonds
    Money
    Re-distributed wealth
    Banks
    Alimony
    Divorce settlement

    They never seem traumatised when any of those words are mentioned for some reason.

    • Kimski

      Nope. Those are the warm-and-fuzzy-feeling words.
      Hey, maybe you should throw in a ‘Prada bags on sale’ and ‘Eat, Love, Pray’, just to top things off.

  • Arrogance

    Serendipitous, man. I came across multiple “trigger warnings” while looking at some feminist sites yesterday and I too ended up at that same definition at Geek Feminism. The entire concept seemed ludicrous to me. I mean, how much responsibility for self-control do we want to absolve people from? I need to warn people that I’m going to be talking about something that they might be sensitive to now? How about they stop being sensitive? How about they go read something else? How about they stop listening to me? But hey, excuse me for suggesting some action on the part of vicki. See, vicki’s spending too much time being a victim to worry about exercising power over the one thing in this world that can actually be controlled.

  • Rper1959

    Dam, must not be reading enough femo sites, have never come across a trigger warning !

    I guess there something like those things we get a the beginning of TV shows , “This program is rated M for mature audiences, it contains adult themes, coarse language, nudity and sex scenes” yep that sounds like good viewing to me! Funny then never put such warnings before the 6 o’clock news or crap like Opra or “the Talk” where they would be really warranted.

  • Muk

    Warning: This article contains all sorts of triggers. It has the word “rape” in it so please avoid all words that begin with the letter “R”. It also has references to trauma, which might be traumatic, or might trigger trauma, especially the kind you inflict on yourself because you’re a sick fuck. There are triggers in this article so big that Roy Rogers could mount and ride them. But wait, Roy Rogers is dead. Trigger warning: Dead cowboy! Come to think of it, his horse is dead…and stuffed. Trigger warning: Dead Trigger! Taxidermy!

    GOLD!

  • gateman

    As a student of triggernometry I can say that it is a chronic condition suffered by most feminists.
    Any number of seemingly innocent & natural behaviours from men can trigger allegations of rape, domestic violence or sexual harrassment. Maybe its time for all men to have “trigger warning” tattooed across their forehead.

    • Skeptic

      Gateman,
      you have just triggered me………… to give you 1000 up votes.

  • JGteMolder

    Feminism trigger warning:

    Warning, if you do not have the mental capacity to withstand brainwashing, feminism may trigger you into become a mindless, idiotic, pathetic, mental zombie, filled with hatred, self-hatred, self-loathing, and lack of even the tiniest bit of self-esteem. You’ll find yourself spewing false vitriol everywhere. You may also find yourself believing it is not the delusions that feminism has fed you that makes you that way, but the evil patriarchy and every man oppressing you.

    If you are part of this category, please ignore feminism.

  • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

    Warning: Below is a trigger warning that contains words that might be triggers for certain members of our community. If you are prone to such triggers then read no further.

    TRIGGER WARNING: This comment is about to become several times longer than it was ever intended to be because of all the trigger warnings it is required to contain. It may mention numerous words, activities, and ideas that some may consider inappropriate for certain members of the online community who are too sensitive to read mere words on a computer screen without developing the urge to self-harm. It will mention such topics as food, prison, and drug addiction. This simple fact is that the inclusion of this trigger warning may infact trigger such a response from the very members of the community it is intended to protect. If such things as food, prison, and drug addiction are triggers for depression or self-harm then please do not read this comment or its trigger warning.

    Warning: Before you read any further please read the above trigger warning.

    Damn!. Now I forgot what it was I was actually going to say.

    TDOM

  • jacksambuck

    Hilarious.
    Feminism will soon consist of nothing but trigger warnings. Our diabolical plan marches on.

  • http://mrathunderinthehammer.blogspot.com/ Dannyboy

    Lmao a “trigger warning” on feminism would be priceless.
    “Trigger Warning” if common sense isn’t your strong suit then feel free to join your local femie organization.

  • Primal Oath

    I’m wondering who the deranged people are – the people who suffered abuse to the point where they self-injured when they saw images of self-injury, or you guys, who decide to ridicule their suffering simply because Paul Elam is also doing it.

    If you doubt that triggers are a real thing, please talk to people with PTSD or those who self-injury. It’s not that anyone wants to experience trauma or face internal obstacles when attempting to overcome it.

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      No one doubts triggers are real. They just doubt the TRIGGER WARNINGS are real as opposed to being a stunt.

      Do you not see the difference?

    • JFinn

      The deranged people are those who lie about their triggers and the extent of their victimhood in order to over-demonize an entire gender(males.) It’s a fear mongering power move. If I dare doubt that 1 in 4 women are raped, does that make me deranged?

      Amanda Marcotte was recently defending Hugo Schwyzer and backed out of the debate, saying it gave her traumatic flashbacks because people were disagreeing with her.

      Sure, triggers are real. As are false allegations of assault, sexual harassment, and sexual assault. I’m curious which PTSD triggers are caused by: “depiction or discussion of discriminatory attitudes or actions, such as sexism or racism.” You know, considering the entire basis of feminist doctrine is sexist against men.

      • Raven01

        You left out the femmies that put things like rape on its own special victim pedestal. Telling any real victims that they are much worse off than they really are, in essence creating the mental problem in the 1st place.
        One only has to look at how few men that suffer a common assault suffer PTSD as a result and how they are treated. They are not told over and over that someone has done “the worst thing imaginable to them” until they believe it. Instead they hear, “Sorry that happened to you”, “Can I do anything to help”.
        People tend to be constructive, feminists, victims groups and perpetual whiners tend to destructive instead.

    • Skeptic

      I’m sure Arthur Janov would agree with you Mr Primal Scream.
      But you’re barking up the wrong tree here.
      We know PTSD is real. Duh!
      We have brothers who are vets.
      We just don’t believe the feminist lies about the prevalence of it amongst women.
      All that misandric 1 in 4 women have been raped BS they spout…….
      If as many women suffered PTSD as the feminuts make out the world would be a whole lot crazier than it already is – and that’s saying something.
      Now if you want to talk about a lot of USA women having NFVD – narcissistic feminist victim disorder, that’s another matter.
      Do you have a therapy cure for the epidemic of that condition?

    • Paul Elam

      The last thing anyone in a place like this is going to do is to ridicule suffering. We know about that better than any segment of the population ever has or ever will.

      The fact that you could make such a statement in a place like this lets me know where the real insensitivity lies. That is just fucked up.

      I would try to explain what is really happening here, like you were four years old, but I am not going to take the time to do it. I will just say how sick I am of the callous and unfeeling demanding empathy and compassion and leave it at that.

      • Bellator Nam Parilitas

        Paul – sorry to drag you off topic but I am trying to submit something to be published on this site. How do I do this? Thanks for any help you can give.

      • Bellator Nam Parilitas

        I apologize Paul. I found all the information. Thanks for understanding.

    • Not buying it

      Not buying it
      @Primal Oath,Sir I am one of those guys who laughed the hardest at this article, & guess what Sir? i had a form of it & i am fully aware that triggers due to PTSD, abuse in all it forms can trigger a flashback in my case these triggers varied from long Sirens,sudden lull in common noise at public places with people like malls, flood lights & loud enough explosions that included video games ( Xbox,etc) i felt like hunkering down & reaching for a weapon of any sort since Sir, i can’t walk around with a gun nor i want to Sir, but i seeked help & didn’t expect the world to fit me i had to fit in it regardless of my background, since you are on (AVfM) i think you are aware that women are diagnosed with psychiatric disorders more often regardless of the settings( army,police or just plain old jane any where) you are implying that we should have a different set of rules for the suffirer’s of it.

      Since surprisingly(wink,wink) women compromise the majority of people diagnosed with hard to pin down & hide behind excuses & people with hanging gentile’s like me have to seek help but man up for the most part ,excuse me if i don’t take your point of view Sir

      When it comes to the term triggers & it’s definition it’s so broad that to identify what could be consider a trigger & cover all basis it’s impossible,heck long stares from strangers triggered some time’s, but i do understand that life has to go on Sir, that i don’t have the right to stop my son from playing Xbox in his room at a respectable noise level, what i am trying to say is where tell me where you draw the line Sir for a healthy well balanced society,?!! Knowing for a fact as a public record that feminism leaning judges,lawyers,..etc used terminologies, like that & even worse like battered wife syndrome in which a women can set her husband on fire after planing it for weeks or shooting him after getting the training & fire arm licence.
      Do these terms have a place in the realm of reality & Psychiatric disorders ?!!! i believe they do to certain extent Sir,At the same time do i believe it’s being hysterically abused just like false rape accusations in which all of us know rape does occur & it’s real but not nearly as these victimoholics claim it to be, it’s very consistent & falls nicely into the big false propaganda feminist push to keep the hysteria that women are forever victims of so many things, so it encourages the legal system & general public to keep supporting & passing gynocentric laws, if I am wrong about this & you can prove it or otherwise after all i believe we are at least honest about our reasons for this movement unlike the feminazies then forgive me for being so doubtful when it comes to any thing that comes out of this illogical, morally bankrupt ideology called feminism.

      Click to EditDelete

    • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

      It’s not that I or anyone else here is insensitive to triggers and the reactions they cause. But learning to live with them is part of becoming and remaining healthy. Almost anything can be a trigger to someone on some level about something. The trigger warning itself can contain references to the trigger and therefore be a trigger so such warnings are an absurdity. My comment was intended to point out that absurdity. My experience with reading trigger warnings on most articles is that they are completely unnecessary and appear intended not to warn, but to picque interest and draw attention. They are nothing more than a dramatic tool inserted by authors who are attempting to draw in an audience by making it sound like they have something worth saying. It’s like using all caps. They are distracting and detract from the meaning of the article.

      TDOM

  • Charbroil

    Is stuff like that supposed to back up feminists’ claims that women are as strong as men, if not stronger?

  • http://www.artistryagainstmisandry.com Jade Michael

    It isn’t surprising that feminists use a term coined by the psychiatry industry to elucidate their more regarded doctrines. Both social cancers are one and the same to me, as most feminists are psyche patients and most shrinks are victim-creating feminists. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  • JFinn

    How about:

    Trigger warning: if you are a person who views all sentiments as victimizing of women, note that the following contains sentiments.

  • keyster

    “Feminism” IS a trigger word – – for angry, bitter, man-hating women that constantly shriek about patriarchal oppression; so it’s no longer used.

    The NEW trigger words should be listed as:
    Pro-choice
    Birth control
    (Reproductive rights)

    Womens’ health
    Breast cancer
    Domestic violence
    Equal pay
    (Economic justice)

    Child care
    Single moms
    Date rape
    Sexual harassement

    These are all trigger words meant to warn the reader or viewer that a feminist of some notoriety is about to speak, and not to expect any counter opinion or debate whatsoever.

    Trigger words meant as a pretext to anything “anti-female” are:

    Republican
    Pro-life
    Men or Boys (as a distinct social class)
    Gender Discrimination
    The Church (any church will do)
    Marriage (unless its gay marriage)
    Brain differences
    Hormones

    These are also trigger words meant to warn the reader or viewer that a feminist of some notoriety is about to speak, and not to expect any counter opinion or debate whatsoever.

  • Not buying it

    @Primal Oath,Sir I am one of those guys who laughed the hardest at this article, & guess what Sir? i had a form of it & i am fully aware that triggers due to PTSD, abuse in all it forms can trigger a flashback in my case these triggers varied from long Sirens,sudden lull in common noise at public places with people like malls, flood lights & loud enough explosions that included video games ( Xbox,etc) i felt like hunkering down & reaching for a weapon of any sort since Sir, i can’t walk around with a gun nor i want to Sir, but i seeked help & didn’t expect the world to fit me i had to fit in it regardless of my background, since you are on (AVfM) i think you are aware that women are diagnosed with psychiatric disorders more often regardless of the settings( army,police or just plain old jane any where) you are implying that we should have a different set of rules for the suffirer’s of it.

    Since surprisingly(wink,wink) women compromise the majority of people diagnosed with hard to pin down & hide behind excuses & people with hanging gentile’s like me have to seek help but man up for the most part ,excuse me if i don’t take your point of view Sir

    When it comes to the term triggers & it’s definition it’s so broad that to identify what could be consider a trigger & cover all basis it’s impossible,heck long stares from strangers triggered some time’s, but i do understand that life has to go on Sir, that i don’t have the right to stop my son from playing Xbox in his room at a respectable noise level, what i am trying to say is where tell me where you draw the line Sir for a healthy well balanced society,?!! Knowing for a fact as a public record that feminism leaning judges,lawyers,..etc used terminologies, like that & even worse like battered wife syndrome in which a women can set her husband on fire after planing it for weeks or shooting him after getting the training & fire arm licence.
    Do these terms have a place in the realm of reality & Psychiatric disorders ?!!! i believe they do to certain extent Sir,At the same time do i believe it’s being hysterically abused just like false rape accusations in which all of us know rape does occur & it’s real but not nearly as these victimoholics claim it to be, it’s very consistent & falls nicely into the big false propaganda feminist push to keep the hysteria that women are forever victims of so many things, so it encourages the legal system & general public to keep supporting & passing gynocentric laws, if I am wrong about this & you can prove it or otherwise after all i believe we are at least honest about our reasons for this movement unlike the feminazies then forgive me for being so doubtful when it comes to any thing that comes out of this illogical, morally bankrupt ideology called feminism.

  • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

    Sage work, Dr. Elam.

    Oh gawd, another imbecilic follow-the-heard POS meme foaming up out of the aristocrat class of skinny bitches in ivory towers; another stupid trinket to further fabricate the bogeyman of ‘female victimhood’ as the default state, when in fact these supposed ‘victims’ are the most protected, provided for, longest living, privileged liesure class of creatures to ever ungrace the surface of this marble. The feminist delusion is truly the anti-reality. Puke. What do you expect from a narcissist based mentality with so much luxurious free time on its hands?

    • Kimski

      True.
      More navel digging from the one group of people, who actually have the luxury of being provided with enough time to spend doing it.

  • KamenRiderNecro

    I’d like to chip in by commenting about some of the comments on here; not all feminists are the kind of evil monsters that some here are depicting them as. Not all of them hate men and expect men to kowtow to them and spend their entire lives apologizing for being male (and especially for having white skin, since it seems to be the vogue that white men are the only people it’s OK to make fun of/hate on at all anymore). I think the feminists you guys are taking pot shots at are the radical “Feminazi” types–much as I hate Rush Limbaugh for being the scum he is, this one word he uses makes sense when applied properly to angry man haters/man bashers as opposed to all feminists. Not all feminists are the types mentioned here, and saying such makes you just as bad as the very people you’re decrying, just as hateful and one dimensional. Believe you me, “Feminazis” aggravate the hell out of me too, but real feminists that are dignified and intelligent and capable of civil discussion marked by open minds and mutual respect do not. They are out there, it’s a matter of feeling things out and sensing which women you can actually have such discussions with. Which are lamentably few these days, sadly.

    • Raven01

      Yes they are.
      With the only 2 exceptions that come to mind being Hoff-Summer and McElroy.
      Neither of which actually espouses anything resembling feminist ideology.
      You will not see ANY true feminist saying anything is wrong with 80% of women in divorce being granted custody…… because they believe that women are better parents. Never mind that women are more abusive toward children, that fatherlessness is directly linked to horrible outcomes for children of divorce.
      No feminist has a mind much less an open one. They operate in the realm of feelings. Feelings that because a man surpasses their accomplishments that “men” must be holding her back. Not that she lacked the skill or did not invest the sweat, or that this man may have just been more naturally gifted. Feminism = It is someone else’s fault I suck.

      • OneHundredPercentCotton

        Yes they are.

        X2!

      • Steve_85

        Yes they are.

        x3!

    • Bombay

      I down voted you. Anyone who has taken the red pill would not write such a comment.

      You spend most of the comment chastising readers how there are good feminists out there and then end with ” Which are lamentably few these days, sadly.” So for you the exception is the rule.

    • Skeptic

      I’ve been kicking around this corner of the cosmos for several decades now as a thinking adult throughout 3rd wave feminism. In all that time I’ve spoken with literally thousands of women who identified as feminists – in academia, in the workplace, in social settings.
      NEVER in all that time and to this day have I met one yet who seems as you describe to be “dignified and intelligent”.
      Take yourself for example.
      You come here to a site which aims to provide Men’s Rights Advocacy and deter feminism from making our lives even more hellish, and the first thing you do is go into bat for team feminism.
      It’s not rocket science – if even a smattering of feminists had been “dignified and intelligent” as you imagine there would be no need for a Men’s Rights Movement.

    • JFinn

      Why would you write so many lines about about the few feminists who aren’t like that(all 7 of them) and such few lines about how most feminists are like that?

    • Kimski

      NAFALT, eh..?
      It doesn’t matter if they’re ‘not all like that’. If they devote their life to this point of view, and march under the banner of this hateful ideology, where the guidelines and rules are set by the radical feminists, then they are ALL like that in my book.

      I don’t even have to be an MRA to point out this very obvious fact, so that does not make me anything like them. I would just be pointing out the difference between right and wrong, or justice and injustice. The only reason a lot more men don’t speak up about this is because they are instantly shamed into compliance and obedience by a demographic of herd-minded people, that believe what they’re being told by their radical ‘sisters’, instead of actually looking at the results of this insanely bigoted ideology.

      And I most certainly will not waste my time discussing these things with a sheep made out to be a wolf, by a group of manhaters.

    • gateman

      “Not all feminists are the kind of evil monsters that some here are depicting them as.”

      I give you …
      – the government
      – the education system
      – the legal system
      – the mainstream media
      as examples of the evil feminist conglomerates we’re fighting against.
      And you come here to tell us that NAFALT? Who cares? The powerful ones, the ones that affect most of us in our everyday lives, the ones that are destroying society, are just like that!

      • Skeptic

        NAFALT?
        Of course they are!
        That’s why they’re called …………………………………………

        drumroll…………………………………………………

        cymbal splash………………………………….

        feminists!

    • Bellator Nam Parilitas

      I am normally all for a differing opinion. however yours is not only wrong but deceitful. Your entire comment here is about justifying feminism. You try and justify your own beleifs and actions by attempting to seperate yourself from the “Feminazis.”

      The truth of the matter is that a Nazi is a Nazi. Just because a Nazi was not directly involved in Auschwitz does not make him any better than those that were. If you wear their title proudly, as I see you do and do nothing to stand against the grevious, detrimental and insideous crap they spew then you too are no better than them.

  • KamenRiderNecro

    @Bombay: I, in turn, down voted you. I feel that my last remark in that post is perfectly valid, and you are coming off as a reactionary jerk, as opposed to explaining yourself more fully. I was under the impression that maybe I’d get some support from this site and maybe a better view of this nascent Men’s Movement, and even some articulate discussion, but it appears that you and many of the other men on here are simply the opposite side of the coin, which is to say that you are mindless feminist & woman bashers. Shame on you. You have lost me, and I won’t regret leaving this site to strike my own path in this realm, since I’ve only just signed on to it. If this is the kind of reception I’ll get on this site for speaking my mind, no thank you.

    • JFinn

      LOL

      Kamen will be back. He has no idea how different everything is about to seem.

      By the way, Kamen:

      http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

      Enjoy your journey.

    • Paul Elam

      Don’t let it hit you in the ass on the way out. Oh, I forgot, TRIGGER WARNING!

      • Bellator Nam Parilitas

        HA! Thanks for the laugh Paul.

    • Kimski

      Why don’t you go speak your mind on these subjects on one of the opposing sites, and see how long your constitutional right to free speach is allowed?

    • Not buying it

      So let me see miss, i will explain to you the reason i am calling you miss & how i figured it out, is there a chance i could be wrong!! sure miss when it comes to people nothing is what it is even if it’s in front of you & you can see it, but there is signs always to what it might be more then likely.

      perceptive people can’t usually explain it but they call it a hunch , trained people who there jobs & sometimes literally there life’s depend on reading people correctly call it (psychological profiling) miss kamen i am one of those people who are trained on it, yah i could be wrong but i am willing to put money where my mouth is anyway that’s irrelevant ,mam, but i will give few clue’s (..it’s a matter of feeling things out & sensing which women,… i feel my last remark in that post is perfectly valid,..and you are coming off as a reactionary ((jerk)),…I was under the impression that maybe I’d get some support from this site and maybe a better view of this nascent Men’s Movement) plus other things but to make a long story short , your whole comment’s come across to me so feminine that i can smell your perfume mam when i am reading it :) anyway let me get to the main points although you might not like groups such as (RADFEM HUB) because let’s face it they come across as mass killing lunatics to most people including you probably,never the less i am willing to make another bet & say you are what (radfem-HUB) would call a (fun feminist) or what generally is called main stream liberal feminism ( the Gloria Steinem wing )!!, you know the one’s i am taking about, the one’s you hinting at when you say”dignified & intelligent” ,the one’s pushing (VAWA) through congress among many other things through out the whole country & the world,mam you know the one’s,mam.

      will realistically as much as i loath (radfem-HUB) types, i personally don’t have to much worries at the present moment in regards to any harm they can do to the other half of humanity at least not in the immediate future,mam.

      However i do fully oppose the active misandric,gynocentric,feminist,unconstitutional,radical laws pushin main stream feminazi’s because of what they really are under all that so called human right’s,for all (including men), is something else other than that Mam.

      If i am wrong & you were actually trying to get a better view of what you called a nascent men’s right’s movement, you went all wrong about it mam,!! , you don’t piss on people here & tell them it’s raining!!,mam

      Unlike feminist website’s,here at (AVfM) common sense & logic (not feelings) rule even when when we are angry (most of the time at least) & we definitely do call a spade a spade,here mam.

      it’s late for me & am tired, So enough schooling in reality for you, mam, have a good day mam.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      [KamenRiderNecro says:]
      “…you are coming off as a reactionary jerk, as opposed to explaining yourself more fully.”

      What the fuck did you explain fully ?

      Nothing.

    • http://mrathunderinthehammer.blogspot.com/ Dannyboy

      nope nafalt just all feminist organizations and if you follow their marching orders it makes you just as bad as them.
      Here is a prime example of their bullshit.
      “Our action campaigns have been instrumental in securing passage of the Violence Against Women Act, have blocked advancement of dangerous “fathers rights’ legislation,
      So they helped force a misandric piece of legislation and blocked “dangerous” Father’s rights.
      Yeah they are such altruistic organizations,,,, if you’re a woman.
      Here’s a little more about how far their cancerous digits reach;
      “The New York Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Philadelphia Inquirer, The Chronicle of Philanthropy, Salon.com, ABC.com, Common Dreams.org and the Feminist Peace Network. In 2001, Stop Family Violence was awarded the American Association of Political Consultant’s prestigious “Pollie” award for best website for issue advocacy for our role in ensuring VAWA’s passage.
      The main stream media is fed horse shit by them, for them and to the detriment of society.
      Although it sickens me to post the link I should if only to shine the light on their misandric ways.
      Trigger warning though reading and believing this shit will turn you into a mindless drone.
      http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/about/about-stop-family-violence

    • andybob

      KamenRiderNecro

      You are a…rider of…dead…(ka)men? Was that some kind of subliminal trigger warning for us?

      Another teary-eyed princess who has stormed off in a huff because the bad, mean men failed to appreciate her curiosity and support. Not to mention her pitiful attempt to defend good feminists ‘like her’ who are ever so different from the bad ones who are ‘not like her’.

      Ms Necro embodies the brittle, spoiled women of today who simply do not have the maturity or gravitas to acknowledge or consider any of our concerns with intellectual honesty. Saddest of all was the diva exit complete with requisit you-don’t-understand-me recrimination.

      “Hello everybody. I’m a feminist and I’m here to let you know that I care by giving you a chance to demonstrate unswerving and uncritical support for me”. This, on a thread about trigger warnings. You just can’t make this stuff up.

    • Bellator Nam Parilitas

      You will not leave a large gaping whole where you were…infact you are already forgotten.

    • Zuberi

      I down voted you for being a trolling asshole.
      Crawl back under your stove!!

    • Sting Chameleon

      You come here to lecture people, asshat. Clearly you’re still too green and don’t know what the fuck are you talking about. Attacking feminism doesn’t mean attacking women. Kamen Rider is too cool for you to take up his name.

    • Lee

      You’re going to get negative feedback when you post a NAFALT argument here. This is because it doesn’t matter. A movement is essentially defined by what it does. What feminism has done is discriminate against men. There are a lot of articles on this site that explain how better than I do, so maybe take a look with an open mind. Those who identify as feminists but do not discriminate against men would be wise to drop the label as they give a deceptive friendly face to the movement. I hope this is a full enough explanation for you.

  • Bombay

    I feel so ashamed for down voting you, being jerky, not explaining myself more fully, not supporting you, being a mindless feminist & woman basher, having shame on me and having lost you. So sorry. Please come back. I will do everything you want.

  • http://www.shrink4men.com/ Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    Oh for the love of god. Trigger warnings seem to be primarily for female borderline personality disordered audiences that are triggered by 4 things:

    1. The truth.
    2. Reality (this includes not having their subjective feewings validated as “real” even though there is often no basis for them in objective reality).
    3. Personal accountability and collective accountability for women as a whole.
    4. Rational discourse and logic.

    I’ve received comments and email from BPDs and other UFOs claiming that reading S4M makes them want to harm themselves. I don’t reply (don’t believe in giving them the attention they’re so desperately seeking), but if I ever do, it will look a little something like this:

    Dear Ms. Precious Fragile Snowflake,

    If reading a blog post makes you want to self-harm, you may want to consider that you a) have much bigger problems than an 800 word essay on the web, b) my blog is not the cause of of your problems and c) you probably shouldn’t read my blog if it makes you want to self-harm.

    Also, the feminist websites should have trigger warnings, but not for the reasons they do.

    Trigger Warning: If you are sane and live in the world of facts, reason, and logic, you will find much of the information posted here and in the comments triggering and crazy-making.

    • Darryl X

      The problem is: throughout my life I’ve had problems distinguishing between women and someone who is border personality disordered (or just a malignant narcissist for a more general term). They’re one in the same. That’s why it’s so hard to diagnose women as pshychopathic. Because there are none who aren’t so there is no frame of reference.

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

        “Because there are none who aren’t so there is no frame of reference.”

        That’s a joke, right ?

    • Phil in Utah

      Take a ball peen hammer and hit yourself on the head with it, repeatedly, until your brains are the consistency of warm oatmeal.

      THEN feminist websites will be much more palatable.

  • Kimski

    *Standing ovation!*

  • Phil in Utah

    Dammit, Paul, I was just about to submit my own article about this!

    Since you’ve beaten me to the punch, I’ll just give my own take on it.

    I think trigger warnings are a sales device of sorts used by feminists to draw readership. When Mark Twain published “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn,” Louisa May Alcott took offense to it, and had it banned in Missouri. When Clemens heard about this, he published a piece in a newspaper saying “Louisa May Alcott, the author of Little Women, has banned my book, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, in the state of Missouri, FOR ALL ITS DIRTY INCIDENTS!!!” After that, the book sold like hotcakes.

    I mean, prison rape is all we need to show that feminists don’t give a damn about actually helping victims of sexual assault to recover.

  • dejour

    I think that trigger-warnings are a great idea, greatly overapplied in feminist settings.

    I have no problems with sites dedicated to helping the victims of child abuse, PTSD, etc. using trigger-warnings liberally. Everyone recovers at their own pace. But feminist sites seem to assume that being a woman means you have been traumatized.

  • Brenna Fletcher

    I just can’t even comprehend how stupid each and every one of you is. This website is a fucking joke. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing there are people like you out there. Oh, and way to behave like feminists are horrible man-hating beings. Many of us have men in our lives who are very dear to us, like my dad, boyfriend, brother, uncles, etc. I know I’m going to get hate mail for this. I’m fully prepared for it. Just know that you all are a gang of privileged assholes, and I actually pity you for stupidity.

    • Paul Elam

      Welcome. :)

    • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

      Choke on coal dust, Feltcher.

      Male Privilege

      “Oh, and way to behave like feminists are horrible man-hating beings.”
      I stand corrected, females can actually be hilarious …

    • Bellator Nam Parilitas

      “Just know that you all are a gang of privileged assholes.”

      Please explain how watching three of my best friends get turned into pink mist during an IED removal mission, all the while the females in my unit were exempt from the initial recon regardless of rank, makes me privileged.

      My ex wife used to beat the crap out of me on a weekly basis. When I finally broke down and couldn’t take anymore, I called the police. When the police showed up I was lucky. They did not arrest me, instead they forced me out of my house and because my ex wife claimed that I had struck her (which I had not) they refused to even let me have my clothes. Is that the privilege you are speaking of?

      Maybe the privilege you are talking about is when the judge gave the custody of my daughter to her Mother. Her Mother who just happens to be a known Meth addict and a stripper. I, on the other hand have a great career, no criminal record and decent credit. Ohh and part of that privilege is that I get to take all of the marital debt and pay it off while paying $400.00 dollars a month in Child Support. Also my ex wife destroyed my entire business wardrobe and the judge did nothing. Is that the privilege you are talking about?

      Could it possibly be the privilege to pay that $400.00 a month in child support while not getting any visitation. Is that it, is that what you are talking about when you say privilege?

      If what is mentioned here is not what you mean by privilege, then please ohhh wise Vagina, explain to me how I AM FUCKING PRIVILEGED!

    • Kimski

      ‘Many of us have men in our lives who are very dear to us..’

      That doesn’t really explain why ‘so many of you’ are voting away every basic human rights they have, does it?
      -Or do you seriously just think it will only affect all other men?
      Thank you for calling them ‘men’, btw.
      I can’t help thinking it must have been a struggle to avoid saying ‘utilities’ or ‘ Walking ATM’s’ for you.

    • Stu

      Yes, welcome. It’s you that are the privileged asshole though. btw……eat shit

    • Lee

      Okay then…

      Just bear in mind that your knee-jerk reaction to the truth is making you quite blind to it.

  • Brenna Fletcher

    Hmm, the denial of male privilege at it’s finest. You think you’re not privileged because women were “excused” from that mission? (More like excluded). Just because you came into contact with a few not-so-great women doesn’t mean you have to treat us all like shit. Women don’t recieve any privilege for being a woman at all. But you do just for having a fucking dick. And that’s lovely for you to accuse us of treating men as “utilities” or “ATMS”. You know, I’m only 17 and I’m smarter than all of you supposed men. And no, I don’t treat my boyfriend as a utility or an ATM. We respect eachother and have a great relationship. And he’s never paid money for any of my stuff, and I’ve never asked him. In fact, next year when I start college I’LL be the one paying rent. Not him. Get your heads out of your asses, and quit generalizing women. I don’t think all men are horrible people…but every man on this site certainly is a horrible person.

    • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

      Another little piece of trash spit out by our fine feminazi institutions.

      Hey shitface,
      1) that cunt ‘professing’ in your ‘gender studies’ class, she fucking lied to you. All of it. And you ate it up like the imbecile POS that you are.

      2) If you’re going to go through all the trouble of typing out words, at least make a string of sense. STATE THE FUCKING PRIVILEGE. What privilege, cunt? State it, or get the fuck out.

      3) Male Privilege Fuck you, whore.

    • Grey Knight

      17 years old and:

      You’ve no idea what ad hominem is and you resort to name calling.

      You can’t cite male privilege.

      You’ve been indoctrinated by feminist ideals and are completely biased.

      You stand up for women who are absolute twits.

      You take offense to the matter at hand though it may not apply to you.

      ———————-
      Go away and grow up some more.

    • Bellator Nam Parilitas

      Look, you moronic little twit. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are 17 and you want to make some statement like the women I was serving with were forced out of the mission. First off, EOD is entirely voluntary. It is fully integrated with both genders and when a mission comes down the lowest ranking enlisted EOD techs draw straws to see who will do the initial recon. The women were refusing to leave the FOB (forward operating base) even when given a direct order. They were not forced out of the mission, they were to fucking cowardly to step up and do the job they volunteered and were paid $20,000.00 bonuses to do. Next time you want to talk shit, do some damn research.

      I do generalize women because I have known enough of them to get a pretty decent idea of the self entitled, cowardly, selfish, immature and irresponsible mentality that pervades our female gender. Now, before you go vomiting up more of that Feminist propaganda you need to understand that we all herre acknowledge that not all woman are this way. There happens to be a select minority that understands and is intelligent enough to do their research and see the incredible disadvantage men are at compared to women, for no other reason than a penis. For the most part those women are hear on this site. One of the leading contributors to this site is a female.

      You say that women do not get any advantages just for being a woman? Really, are you that damn blind girl. What would you call VAWA? (yep….go ahead and google it, I will wait.) Ahhh maybe now you see?! Nope, probably not. How about the fact that women are given custody far more often than men. That turn a light on for you? nope….probably not. How about the fact that women have far more scholarship and student loan money available to them than men do? Nope…probably not. I am done trying to show you. You most likely will push this off as some innane ranting from a creep.

      I truly and deeply, from the very bottom of my heart and soul, hope that your boyfriend leaves you before you corrupt his soul with your ignorant reitterance of feminist dogma. He deserves better, he just doesn’t understand yet. Don’t you worry your twatty little brain over it though. Because if you just keep waving that magic Vagina in front of him he will keep in lock step for just long enough to get him to the altar. Then you can lock him into the only indentured servitude that is still legal in the west.

      Grow up, have a son. I will see you back here about the time the first girl really screws him up. Just remember, when that day comes that we tried to warn you. The whole time you are swallowing your feminist diatribe we will be working to correct the flaws in our cultures that lead to the birthing and upbringing of people like you.

      You are a cultural mistake!

    • Kimski

      -And that’s lovely for you to accuse us of treating men as “utilities” or “ATMS”.

      Struck a nerve there, didn’t I ??

      ‘You know, I’m only 17…blah-blah-blah..’

      That part didn’t surprise me at all…
      If you’re only 17, you are basically a kid taking part in a discussion led by grown up’s, and I’m not even going to give you the satisfaction of answering your crazy delusions. Come back in 15-20 years, and I’ll be _somewhat_ happy to listen to more of the same bullshit. Hopefully you will have a little something called ‘life-experience’ to base your insane statements on by then.
      But I seriously doubt it will make any difference.

      ‘Get your heads out of your asses, and quit generalizing women.’

      Stop acting like fucking retarded herd creatures and do some thinking for yourselves, instead of coming into this forum and presenting us with the exact same feminist drivel we’ve been listening to for most of our lives, and I’ll stop generalizing about women. Give me something to work with here, instead of acting and thinking like parasitic protozoids sharing the same single brain cell.

  • Brenna Fletcher

    Hmm, I just can’t help but laugh at your stupidity. It’s really grown-up and mature of you all to refer to me as a “cunt” and tell me to “Eat shit”. Thanks for telling my boyfriend to leave me too. He’s reading this right now and he’s fucking appalled. But of course, he’s only staying with me because I’m an evil bitch waving my vagina in front of him, right? You guys go ahead and keep believing you’re better and that feminism is wrong. Just be aware that your opinion is getting less and less popular amongst GOOD human beings, and soon women will actually have rights and you’ll just have to live with it. Fuck you.

    • Kimski

      ”Thanks for telling my boyfriend to leave me too. He’s reading this right now and he’s fucking appalled.”

      If he’s feeling appalled about the fact that there is somebody out there trying to make sure he gets the same rights as you, ‘precious’, then he is just as stupid and immature as you, and you rightfully deserve eachother. By the looks of it, you’ve already paved the road for a nice little divorce, with subsequent lifelong alimony payments from him, and quite frankly he sounds like he deserves it for being with you.

      But you know what, honey?
      He’ll be back here in a couple of years, when you are done fucking him over in court, or he has been in jail because he was unable to pay for your so-called ‘victimhood’ and lack of ‘rights’. That is another thing we see again and again, besides your feministic propaganda.

    • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

      Feltcher, we are sincerely and deeply ashamed of ourselves and we stand corrected after hearing that your “big bad boyfriend is even reading this and is… fucking appalled”. Also too, if he has a shred of self-respect, he will find himself oddly drawn to return to and read this website in more detail, you know, just to keep us in check and pay tribute to your glistening vagina.

      Regarding name calling, while I have no illusions of a feral hooker such as yourself being remotely capable of taking accountability, responsibility, or otherwise owning up to your own actions, it’s worth noting that in your first post in Rome, you stood up on your entitled bitch box and called all Romans ‘stupid’, ‘assholes’ and again ‘stupid’. So yes, as usual, it’s the dirty little whore who is fault, acting in aggression against innocent bystanders who might try, however feebly, to defend themselves.

      That said, I don’t use my words lightly. So, cunt, to return to your failure to exercise anything but stupidity- make a coherent statement, and state. the. privilege. To repeat for your very low I.Q., state. the. privilege. You keep talking about this vague abstract thing, privilege; surely you are not too fucking laughably stupid to state exactly what this privilege is. Come on sugar booger, give us a little sum’n sum’n. Once more, because I realize you are mentally handicapped, state. the. privilege. No one wants to hear you menstruate all over these fine pages. Make yourself useful and state. the. privilege.

      Male Privilege

  • Bombay

    One afternoon when I was in a sub shop an attractive young woman came in and ordered a sub. The young man behind the counter was trying so hard to please her in every way. After she left, I said to him – I bet she thinks all people are treated this way because this always has been her experience. The look on his face was priceless.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    “Dear Brenna. We wish to inform you that you suck.” (her words – not mine)

    If one wants to see into the “mind” of this astoundingly shallow and deeply dull witted young woman, click this link to see her *art.

    http://somekindofillustration.tumblr.com/

    It’s ugly, and puerile beyond belief and reminds me of the vapid expressions of glassy eyed girls scratching on their pink pencil case.

    My drawings at 7 were more advanced, and for someone over the age of 10 to actually post them proudly on the net reeks of a dementia so new to science there is no name for it.

    Psychologists looking at these may one day use them as a template displacing the Rorschach test.

    Nothing wrong with really awful art as there’s tons of it about and it does us no good or bad. However, the very fact she has posted this rotten gunk for all to see smacks of a sense of grandeur and narcissism that would have ‘The Emperor With No Clothes’ rather shell shocked.

    Whatever your day job is Ms Fletcher, you just keep doing it, and seriously, stay away from paper and coloured pointy things. Your artistic talent is so far left of zero you shoot off the bell-curve chart and a “boom” is heard as it breaks the sound barrier.

    Quite seriously the absolutely most infantile art I have seen for years and there’s nothing wrong with that. But for the fact you post it tells us much of the arrested development of the poster here.

    She is to be ignored as such because of it.

    *Art. With a silent “f”.

    • Kimski

      ROFL. Brenna made this??
      Forget about the 17. It was supposed to be 1+7 years. I have a 4 year old niece that knows there are 5 fingers on a hand, and generally makes better stuff when she’s bored.
      These are drawings from a semi-adult that haven’t developed her ability to view the world beyond early childhood years, and she very likely feels oppressed by anyone who knows how to make stuff that are worthwhile.

      I have to agree, Dr .F.
      These scribblings are infantile beyond normal lack of practice and experience.
      No surprise, actually..-The majority of young women who buys into the feminist lies, are suffering just as much from the same mental shortcomings.

  • http://www.shrink4men.com/ Dr. Tara J. Palmatier

    Hi Gents,

    Please don’t argue with a 17-year old child. It’s beneath us all to respond to the adolescent grrl power temper tantrums.

    She’s just another by-product of women are victims ideology that she’s probably been spoon fed her whole life.

    Moving on. Nothing to see here.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      Agreed.

      However, if she’s responsible enough to post tripe on a site then she’s accepted the terms and conditions of a possible, and well served, responsible roasting.

    • Kimski

      I concur, Dr. T.

      But I don’t give a shit about her.
      I’m adressing my posts to the young man standing behind her and reading along. Hopefully some of the warnings will sink in with him.

      • Raven01

        Then maybe we should inform the young man that there are infact some self-aware women out there that do not use sexual favours(as if they don’t enjoy it also) much as a dog trainer uses treats. That in any worthwhile relationship you both just get to be yourself rather than seeking approval of the other.
        Somehow, I think he will have trouble believing or understanding this since he is with someone that would deny his humanity based on nothing but his gender. Insisting that we need things like VAWA and exclusion of any similar protection for men involved with violent women.

    • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

      The good intentions are appreciated, however I respectfully disagree on multiple counts.

      She’s been exercising her adult powers, having sex for years, and will be a fully fledged voting adult in a matter of months. Voting, mind you, to send the opposite sex off to war and to imprison more men. A child is a 7 year old, not a seventeen year old.

      Note that the 17 year old, higher education attending ‘child’ came in here and shouted that we are all stupid assholes. Um.. yyeah. A male would be tried as an adult, and so too shall this commenter, whether it a be a she-male, he-ra, transexual, bigender, whatever.

  • Brenna Fletcher

    For someone who “doesn’t care” you obviously went through some trouble to find my art website. Guess what? I got into CalArts. They have a 20% acceptance rate. I don’t give a shit about what you think of my art, because many people happen to like it. But, let’s get back on topic (because this has NOTHING to do with the conversation). You guys don’t even know what a trigger warning is. It’s meant for people who have experienced some sort of horrible event like rape or abuse. You put it before you write about those topics so that people who have experienced things like this aren’t “triggered” into having a reaction such as an anxiety attack, or a flashback to the night they were raped.

    And by calling me things like “whore” you are expressing your obvious belief that women should not have sexual freedom. That’s not even an insult. There are women who are sex workers who take pride in their jobs. Women who just like sex, and sleep around a lot. There’s no shame in that. But for the record, I’ve only been with one guy, so you really don’t make any sense when you call me a whore.

    And as for my boyfriend…he’s actually the one who taught me a lot about feminism. When I was 15 and he was 18, he took me to protests and whatnot. So no, he’s not going to come back on this site and eagerly agree with you. And I’m not trying to make it seem like he’s my “big bad boyfriend”. I’m just showing you that most men will not agree with your blatantly sexist views. You’re just a big group of angry, bitter men who can’t get out over the fact that women are actually starting to be treated like human beings.

    • Lee

      “And by calling me things like “whore” you are expressing your obvious belief that women should not have sexual freedom…”

      And you calling us ‘a gang of privileged assholes’ clearly demonstrates that you think we are fortunate anuses and that bumholes should have no rights.

      Or maybe someone didn’t like your post and decided to insult you. :3

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      I typed your name into Google + feminist and there you were. No trouble at all.

      I’m not wanting very much at all to rain crap on you, but I have to let you know that when I read your posts and stuck a whiny voice to it it sounds very immature.

      Really immature.

      Your words reflect amazingly shallow thinking and this is because you are 17 for sure. It’s also very possible we are hearing the whiny voice of a post teary tantrum also.

      Either way, you stink horrendously (at the moment in your development) with your screech and with a tub of good luck and a bigger tub of time you might (might) come through this and look back with utter shame.

      Statistically though, I’ll put my money on the wheel that says you’ll come off second best and stoutly “whipped” by the very ideologue you buckle with homage to.

      Please have innate insight, as less luck will be needed to snap you awake one day.

      P.S.
      I was a feminist once, and when I switched on the light and saw it’s violence around me I was stunned.

      You see, I don’t dislike women at all, I simply loathe how feminism has turned most them into viperous swine by their very sexist behaviour.

    • Raven01

      “Trouble”?
      You have heard of Google haven’t you?
      As for people “liking” your “art”, there are people that “like” big brother and survivor, this does not mean they are art or even a good show. It just shows that bad taste is alive and well.
      If you take time to read this site you will find much support for total de-criminalization of prostitution. It seems to be the only way to reduce disease transmission rates and create a safer environment for hookers and clients. What you won’t find is a bunch of idiots applauding women for spreading for 500 guys and calling it “empowerment”. That would be a bad idea, what you find instead is insistence that women should be treated like adults and allowed to succeed of fail based on their choices just like men. While feminists want you to be able to fuck-up from sunrise to sunset without any consequences, much like a protected child.
      Your name calling has zero effect here princess. We just do not give a flying fuck what some uneducated gutter snipe thinks of us.
      For the record, none of us would have sex with you even if it was using David Futrelles dick and had the entire GMP staff do the pushing.(A little thing we have called self-respect)
      And, I’ll head you off at the pass, crocodile tears won’t work here either.

      • Kimski

        “As for people “liking” your “art”, there are people that “like” big brother and survivor, this does not mean they are art or even a good show. It just shows that bad taste is alive and well.”

        I agree completely, and she’s got a fine example of female entitlement right there. I’m a graphic arts major with almost 20 years of experience in the business, and it would be a cold day in hell before any guy with that obvious lack of talent would make it into an art school in my country. But the bar has been lowered so much in order for women to compete, that even this kind of crap is now allowed.

        But I still find it very hard to believe her claim, none the less. Some of the pictures bears clear signs of being paper placed on top of photographies, and downright copied through it. The shapes are in order, but any details are completely left out or just downright wrong, which is what happens when you try to copy pictures by using that method.

        This is just another copy-cat hack, and she’s not even good at that.The details are left out because she has no general idea and understanding of what she is doing. To be able to make good pictures, you have to be able to observe and transfer what you see. Anybody involved with these things will tell you that, be they photographers, painters or graphic artists.
        This is simple ‘art’, slightly above drawing matchstick men, and it most certainly would not land you a place in an art school, unless there where certain ‘considerations’ taking place. And we all bloody well know what those ‘considerations’ are about.

        • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

          Ouch Baby.

          Yes I was thinking that something was wrong with the 20 percent bit, and it occured to me that if a male was sitting next to her with the same crap he’d be frog-walked out of the process.

          Thanks for explaining the graphic arts methods, and it just confirms my belief that she is lying or her crap is accepted via the muff magic.

          Either way, it doesn’t improve her art with the silent “f” because I mean just look at it. It’s embarrassing at almost every single age you can think of.

          Bracingly, splash-in-the-face shockingly terrible, and it reflects the disturbed mind of a wafer thin brain char grilled on a fire of real hatred.

          Bones and blood and nasty indulgent faces staring from a hermetically sealed room of “true love”. Horrible line work with clashing colours fighting each other on a patch of nastily worked doodling. Boring balloon writing that leaves you feeling cheated and alienated.

          I could go on and on but it seems she has already.

          Like I say, nothing wrong with repulsive artwork, but the thing I find interesting is this:

          It seems to reflect seamlessly her nasty postings.

          1/ The indulgence of the subject matter and her indulgence here.
          2/ The violence of the art and her aggressive hatred here.
          3/ The shallow themes of her drawings and her shallow insight here.

          …and so on. You get the idea absolutely, and I haven’t even mentioned in this reply her supreme belief her art is “net worthy”, or she is supreme and wonderful as is her art.

          In short:
          Her art is amazingly terrible stuff presented, and she’s terrible stuff presently un-amazing.

          • Kimski

            “It’s embarrassing at almost every single age you can think of.”

            Funny that you should mention it, Dr.F. My first impression was along the lines of ‘suicidal 13 year old punkrocker or goth, raised by a single mother in a trailerpark’. A ticking timebomb, basically.

            Hey, Brenna, you might consider placing the photos on a thick glass plate, and shining a light through it from beneath, if you’re going to make pictures like that and claim they are your own. That way you get the details AND the proportions right. It will give you a more,-and much needed, -steady hand over time. But you’ve got a very long way to go, and the work you have to put in equals any other kind of handcrafted work, or learning to play an instrument.
            That should give you lots of time to ponder about the reasons you still choose to make such disturbing images at age 17. They are in most cases some kind of reflection of ‘self’, you know.

    • Bombay

      LOL. It was like reading a parody written by an MRA getting in touch with their feminine side.

    • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

      There’s more than one way to be a whore, surely a dirty little trick as yourself knows this. For example, being intellectually dishonest is a particularly heinous form of whoring. You continue to vomit words up like ‘privilege’ in an accusatory manner, without ever identifying what the fuck you are talking about. Indeed, I hold respect for honest whores, it’s the liars like you that are the disease. State the privilege, bitter bitch.

      State the privilege, bitter bitch.

      State the privilege, bitter bitch.

      Trigger warning: Male Privilege

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    Something different and of good news.

    The meeting today at FTSU Central was a grand success. There is something quite wonderful in the wings waiting to break a leg for you all.

    Yes yes yes, I know you are curious.

    Watch this space for really exciting news soon.

    You’ll seeeeee.

  • Brenna Fletcher

    Wow, you guys are actually expecting me to cry? On the contrary actually. I’m slightly amused at your ignorance. And the fact that you are a grown man informing me that you would “never have sex with me” disgusts me. You think I’d fuck any of you? Hell no. Talk to any self-repecting woman the way you’re speaking to me right now and see if you get laid.

    Now excuse me, fellas…I can’t sit on the computer all day and argue with you because I actually have a life. So I’m gonna go out now and kill men, fuck everyone in sight, create more immature art, and beat up guys just for having dicks. Enjoy your day losers! :-)

    • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

      Brenna Feltcher opening statement, unprovoked, May 04 2012, “You are all a joke and stupid, stupid assholes.”

      Brenna Feltcher closing statement May 05 2012, “Talk to any self-repecting woman the way you’re speaking to me right now and see if you get laid.”

      I wish I could say your pestilence and pungent vagina will be missed, trixy.

      You’ve got mail! : Get fucked.

      (Sits in utter shock and disbelief) ‘she didn’t even state. the. privilege. …’

      Male Privilege

      • Lee

        I don’t think she’ll get laid if she talks to any self-respecting man like that. :P

        • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

          :-/

    • Bellator Nam Parilitas

      All I have to say is thank you for leaving. I can now go back to my loser coffee and my loser Saturday. Who knows maybe I will go to a loser art gallery and take in some art by people that actually have talent.

      You lady are doomed to a life of mediocrity and for that I am thankful!

    • Paul Elam

      Ok, I will enjoy my day. And you will enjoy yours elsewhere. Next time you want to comment on my website, have one of your parents contact me first.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    ” Now excuse me, fellas…I can’t sit on the computer all day and argue with you.. ”

    Is this a threat or a promise ?

  • Lee

    I get it. You’re too busy to enlighten us about male privilege.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

      Excellent observation.

    • ThoughtCriminal

      [URL=http://www.filebox.com/59e7cp7cacwd][IMG]http://niek.filebox.com/i/00068/59e7cp7cacwd_t.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      She’s just too busy.

    • Grey Knight

      I find it amusing that she probably thinks you’re a “creepy man”.

  • dansusutaanoeri

    I realize this piece is ages old now, but I just HAD to comment on it. As a woman who has had traumatic experiences, I think that trigger warnings are not just stupid and irritating (they are immensely so); worse, they’re also patronizing and misguided and ultimately harmful towards anybody who has a trigger. One of my biggest problems with feminism is how it advocates playing the victim and taking zero responsibility for your pain and misfortune. Trigger warnings essentially play to this love of being the victim. Trigger warnings tell you that it’s okay to run and hide from your pain, that it’s okay to blame your bad experiences on your inability to respond to the world around you in a reasonable and sane manner. As I said, I have had traumatic experiences, and there were topics which for a long time caused me to react in a volatile way. I was dealing with this at a time when trigger warnings weren’t a thing yet, so it happened again and again (although I was able to avoid it to some extent just by using my common sense). Anyway, I never self-harmed or anything, but I would become angry and depressed for weeks after coming in contact with material that triggered me. But after going through this for a couple of years, I came to the realization that if I wanted to be happy in this world, I had to deal with the poison inside of me. And I did. I learned to accept that I was clinging to the view of myself as a tortured victim. I had to face the fact that while what happened to me wasn’t my fault (especially because I was very young when it happened), the way I allowed it to become a part of me, the way I allowed it to affect me and weaken me, WAS definitely my fault. Trigger warnings WANT you to be a perpetual victim. They want you to think that the world is a mean place and your only friends are the people who will hold your hand and tell you that you’re broken and damaged and that it’s okay to be a complete wreck. Feminism is all about blame…..on anybody except the poor women. I am not a feminist, because I take responsibility for the fact that if a man thinks less of me and I let that affect my life, then it’s my fault. A man can think what he wants about me. For that matter a woman can thinks what she wants about me as well. I don’t buy into patriarchy, for however much it does or doesn’t exist in the modern world, but I have no need to fight against it. I live my life in a way that allows me to realize my potential as a human being and a woman to the fullest, and if you’re in my way, I’ll just step around you and keep going. I don’t have any use for negativity, especially a sneaky and debilitating kind like feminism. Feminism way overstepped its usefulness when it stopped aiming for simple measurable positive goals (like, ya know, getting the vote). It’s nothing but harmful in a world where misanthropy and emotional disconnection are actual epidemics.

    Anyway, again, I realize this conversation is very much over on here, I just wanted to add my two cents because I think my opinion isn’t very represented.