During a scheduled safety forum held at Osgoode Hall Law School on Jan. 24
Const. Michael Sanguinetti of the Toronto Police department made the comment:
“You know, I think we’re beating around the bush here, I’ve been told I’m not supposed to say this, however, women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.”
Const. Sanguinetti’s remarks were witnessed by Joey Hoffman, a residence fellow and member of the Osgoode student government. Hoffman also noted the safety lecture was sparsely attended by only about 10 people, all of whom where stunned into silence when the officer made the reference to “sluts.”
Const. Sanguinetti later apologized, saying he was “embarrassed” by his remarks.
Hoffman, who witnessed the impolite , but truthful gaffe by Const Sanguinetti also said “I don’t think he was sarcastic or malicious. I think he thought he was being helpful.” Approximately 1500 protesters, mostly women, marched in Toronto in protest of the officer’s statement in an event named “slutwalk”.
Many people have expressed criticism of the event, I simply call it sham.
Why couldn’t 1500 people gather for a more worthy cause? Why does “Slutwalk” need to be taken seriously as political activism and not called out for the attention-seeking spectacle it really is? How do a bunch of slutty women parading around the streets of Toronto in their slutty clothes educate the public any more about sexual assault? The supposed goal of Slutwalk was to “redefine” the derogatory term and give it a positive spin, while protesting the right of slutty women to wear whatever they please without fear of being raped.
No one should ever be “blamed” (literally) for being raped. Such attitudes have no place in our police force, or society. But there’s also no substitute for good judgment and common sense in how one behaves in public and to pretend this has no relevance to personal safety is dangerous and disingenuous.
Of course, everyone has the “right” to act as they please, within the confines of the law.
But the issue is just because you have the “right” to do something, should you?
Just because a woman ― or man ― has the “right” to dress, talk, or act in ways that may draw unwanted attention to themselves in public, should they?
In that context, it’s obviously unwise for anyone to dress or act inappropriately, or to drink to excess, particularly when alone in unfamiliar surroundings.
Similarly, while we all have the “right” to do it, it’s unwise to stumble down a dark alley, unaccompanied and drunk, waving around a wad of cash.
It’s unwise because you increase your risk of being robbed.
“I believe in women’s SEX-U-ALI-TEEEEE…” yells a Blonde Bimbo waving a sign; her voice getting higher a the end of the sentence, as if to form a question. The speech pattern of an approval seeking child rather than a grown woman in her twenties. I mention this to underscore the juvenile mind set driving the women at this event.
These girls didn’t really give a fuck about the cop’s remark, in reality they were all simply high off the attention.
“SlutWalk” can be appreciated for the eye candy, if you like slutty, shopworn looking hooker-women, but isn’t an event to be taken seriously. The so-called “message” of this event got lost somewhere between the bouncing titties.
The slut walk protest is comparable to last year’s “Boob-quake” YouTube meme, which was a response to an Iranian clerk’s dumb-ass remarks about breasts causing Earthquakes. Plenty of large breasted women on YouTube contributed by posting videos of themselves shaking their tits. The “activism” of Boob-quake became unintentionally funny as many of the participants appeared to take themselves seriously. As a male observer to the spectacle, I saw this as a hilarious response to one man’s dumb ass comments, but many of the bouncing and jiggling participants saw themselves as legitimate activists.
“Boob-quake” might have had more impact if that Iranian clerk’s delusional sentiment was the mainstream attitude throughout the world. But it’s not. So let’s all call it for what it really is, another flimsy excuse for attention-seeking whores to show off their goods.
Following my video on the topic of the “slut-walk” sham on youtube, comments from angry feminists started flowing in like a menstrual cycle.
One deep thinker responded with:
“You’ve missed the point entirely of what Slut-walk was all about. It wasn’t a protest to dress as “slutty as possible” it was to abolish the widespread misogynist attitude that it’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. We teach women to avoid dressing a certain way, not to walk alone late at night, not to be drunk with strangers, to be aware of your surroundings, etc all so we can avoid getting raped. Instead, our culture/society should be teaching men, not to rape women.”
You read that right. God help you all you read it right.
Rather than women living with personal responsibility and accountability – like adults, we just gotta teach men not to rape women.
Feminists appear to have the child-like notion that they can do whatever they please and the world has to adapt to accommodate them.
To anyone drinking this feminist Kool-Aid: Fuck, you’re an idiot. Yeah, bitch, you do have to take personal responsibility. You can do whatever the fuck you please, but don’t expect the rest of us to coddle you. If you wanna get drunk and stoned and pass out in the middle of the street half-naked, don’t cry when something bad happens to you. And don’t expect us to pretend that you didn’t bring it on yourself.
One irate feminist complained about my suggestion that a more useful protest should focus on real issues: like women disappearing on the “Highway of Tears,”. Her rebuke pointed out that missing aboriginal women were talked about during the event.
Oh no! My entire argument is demolished.
Yeah, right.
Unfortunately this little tidbit about mention of missing women got no media coverage and did nothing to educate the public. Paying lip-service to a serious issue, during an event where the highlight is a bunch of girls marching down the street chanting “WE LOVE SLUTS” sure does society a big fucking service, doesn’t it?
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Hippos in fishnets and lipstick are still hippos.
And shit like this just reminds me of the children’s story of the emperor’s new clothes.
We know naked stupidity when we see it but these pachyderms are blinded by their own need for attention.
P.S. How could ANY man make wood for the fatties with the red and blue hair? The only possible scenario I could imagine that would make that happen, is a smurf fetish.
‘Instead, our culture/society should be teaching men, not to rape women.’
If our culture taught men to rape women, no woman would ever leave her house.
That’s the real point that should be made. If our society was oppressive to women, and encouraged men to rape them, these women wouldn’t have the courage to stand out there in fishnets waving signs, even if they are too fat and ugly to get a corpse stiff for them.
In Saudi Arabia and Iran, men actually ARE encouraged by society to rape women who are dressed like sluts. Look how the women act there. You could find more miniskirts at a Shriner’s meeting and they sure as fuck ain’t waving any signs. There’s too many rocks just laying on the ground and too many people to throw them.
Please don’t make shit up just because you hate feminists AND Muslims/Arabs.
Bigots in the MRM. Just what we need.
By the way, good article.
How is Nergal making shit up? It’s the truth you fucking moron.
I’m trying to control myself here. I’m doing a piss-poor job at it though. I have had it up to my eyeballs with this useless nonsense. Look at them here. Trust me, they are in no danger whatsoever of being ‘a victim’ of anything. The most desperate criminal would take one look….and just walk on by.
I wish these ‘injured’ self-rightous bitches that have nothing better to do with their time, would volunteer in a homeless shelter, or read to an elderly person that was left in a home to wither away and die alone.
You want a fucking cause to protest?
I have a list a mile long that is desperate to be worthy of even a minuscule amount of the insignificant notoriety these silly women have received here. They would be better off putting their clothes back on, and finding the true injustices of the world to hold a sign up for.
Izzey
Izzey
It seems, that when I’m upset….I not only swear a lot (more money for AVFM @ 2 bucks a word)
I can’t spell worth a damn
And I sign my name twice
See what this shit does to me?
Stupid is as stupid does
Izzey,
Feminism teaches women that they should look at problems in the world and always ask themselves “how does this affect women?” If the problem does not affect women is some way, then most of them ignore it. Some women choose not to look at the world with such a narrow perspective, but most absorb it because it encourages them and gives them a free pass to be selfish.
There are two types of women involved with men’s rights:
1. Those who genuinely care about men and want to help them.
2. Those who only care about men’s rights because feminism has somehow negatively affected a man in their life, otherwise they would not care.
Actually, there are three types of women involved with men’s right.
3. Those who know that there are going to be a lot of pissed off men who are going to have a lot of contempt for women who supported feminism. These women can see that the proverbial ship that is feminism is sinking, so they jump ship and try to climb aboard the proverbial ship that is men’s rights. They do not care about men’ rights; they just care about saving their own skins so they do not get blamed for all the pain feminism has caused in this world.
Kevin,
I agree with your three reasons here.
I am very curious as to why you chose to explain them to me ??
Izzey
Izzey,
I wasn’t explaining them to you personally. Your comment about why those women do not do support a cause that could be productive made me think about why some women do not seem to care about issues that are important to making society a better place.
Your comments did something that enlightening comments are supposed to do; they made the reader think, ask questions, and try to come up with answers.
I did not mean to come across as accusatorial.
Thank you for coming back and explaining that, Kevin. I tend to be emotional, but brutally honest.
And I definitely know why I am here.
I’m sorry I felt like you singled me out. There are some real serious issues at stake here, and I do take them very seriously.
I appreciate that you saw my comment as enlightening. I give my time freely to the homeless and the elderly, as well as some halfway houses here. Most dire are the programs for men.
They have my heart, and my dedication.
Izzey
Funny I never got on the ship of feminism. I found it insulting at times as a woman. As for men’s rights I do care about them. You know the saying, “we’re all in the same boat?”
My reason for attending this is all genders get abused. Both men and women can get raped, and men and women can rape. If a cop thinks telling a woman to not to dress slutty will help her avoid rape, I think he has missed the big picture with understanding the whole problem of abuse.
First off he said it on a University Campus that has problem with it’s security that is causing the rapes.
If clothes really cause rape, then why do countries where women wear Burkhas have such a problem with it? Why do elderly women, and children get raped? Why do men get abused? Why does new research show an alarming number of women committing violent acts of child abuse MORESO than men, and committing acts of sexual abuse against children at a rate that is close to being on par with male perpetrators?
Also it is found that men who rape tend to have a history of being abused by women.
A short skirt is a red herring to ignore a lot of shit that goes on in our society.
I didn’t dress this way either at the event. I wore something nice instead.
Laughing here. You say you attended the slutwalk, a purely female centric event, because all genders get abused.
Sure thing, cupcake. Whatever you say. Please post a pic of you at the Walk carrying your “men get raped, too” sign.
Well cupcake, first off I went with a man.
And I went for another more astounding reason than that; women sexually abuse children, and women rape other women/girls. You missed the last part how sex offenders do often come from a history of violence that is largely perpetrated by women.
Isn’t that something you care about cupcake? I went dressed in far nicer duds than these chicks because I’ve been harassed for even attempting to look nice. I have to admit usually by other women. It’s men who have given me more honest and nicer feedback about my dress, “you look beautiful” is much nicer than the bitch who walked by me and called me a whore.
I was abused growing up. My most violent and life confirming moments were by my mother. Statistics will say that boys go onto to “domestically abuse” when they watch their father commit violence. I have to say my brother went onto abuse is girlfriends because of my mother.
Now cupcake, why not just go to this event. Even if you hate it for everything it is. Go because you feel something is wrong. Go if you fucking think what you know and feel will part the crowd like the red sea.
Go in for a counter clash. Go in carrying signs on rape statistics vs false accusations. Why not? If you assume it’s purely female centric, with one unified message, you’ve rolled over and accepted nothing will change.
I for one don’t really care why women become interested in men’s rights. If it takes a tragedy to a male family member to jolt a woman awake, and from that experience she starts reading up on MRA blogs, etc., whereas before she would not have done … I don’t consider her any less of an ally.
My concern is that there are certain women – a minority – who appear to be pro-MRA but in fact are only involved to preach to men about what they should and shouldn’t be, to try to control the discourse, to dictate what the MRM should be about, and so on. I do not mean anyone who posts on AVfM, but I have seen it at certain other sites. That needs to be stomped out.
You mean perhaps like … respect for the kind of woman who could wriggle into the tightest spots in an airframe and buck rivets? Who put in her considerable best, toward building a series of planes that could pound the absolute $#!+ out of an enemy column of armor, get hosed itself till it looked like Swiss cheese, and bring its pilot home safe and sound (as happened again and again during Operation Desert Storm)?
Next time I’m in Hagerstown I’d like to buy you a beer at Nick’s Airport Inn.
BARF. More unacademic, unevidenced, opinionated crap from this website and it’s pathetic creater. Statistics have proven there is 0 correlation between sexual assault and dress. Seriously, go look it up! (Our Sexuality, Crooks & Baur). There really isn’t much else to say other than stop trying to control women and their dress in every way you can when there is absolutely no reason or academic evidence!
You missed the point of the article, although it was stressed to the point of being excessively repetitious. No one wants to control how women dress. However, which planet do you live on?
A woman dressed as a slut like those in the photo does not need to fear rape. One way she could make even more sure of that is by getting drunk, to boot. Perhaps all bets are off if a prospective rapist should happen to be a coprophile, but I wonder about that.
Last time I checked marches and protests were for things that are wrong or missing rights or social injustices.
Or have the fashion police actually been invented? No?
So sluts are already free to dress as sluts?
oh… so what was the march about again?
The March was just more “agitation propaganda” and used as a pretext to forward the gender-Raunch agenda.
The artificial redhead would be tolerable for a one night stand if she didn’t make a point of publicly advertising her pride in being a thoroughly indoctrinated moron. The blue-haired manatee just looks like somebody has been taking advantage of women with Down’s Syndrome.
Not for me. Look at her legs,they look like flabby tree trunks. Thinking about those things wrapped around me has actually just caused me to shudder. She also looks like the type of broad that has “feminine odor”,if you know what I mean. Admittedly, I’ve never actually been close enough to smell this chick,so I’m just basing that on past experiences, but I can smell her from here, you know?
I say a one night stand with any of these “women” ( they look more like manatees in joke human suits to me) would have you knee-deep in crab and lice remover.
Watch folks, “gender-Raunch” is going to get sicker, fatter, and more nasty perverted, year after year, until it collapses onto itself. Most (if not all) of the marchers are “gender-Raunch”, and this march is just a pretext to attack heterosexuals.
OhmyGawd. I wish I’d come up with this one in time for the March.
A counter-demonstration of about fifty guys in sealed “NBC” (nuclear-biological contamination) suits and SCBA (firefighters’ self-contained breathing apparatus) packs, with big garden-sprayers full of water and pharmaceutical green soap, charge in and spray down those wart-hogs.
A lovely fantasy. And oh-so appropriate.
What you need to understand is that so-called “feminism” isn’t generally going over all that well in Canada outside a few metropolitan enclaves. There is, therefore, a quite desperate quality attached to some of their strident efforts at attention-getting and projections of self-importance.
Regretably, the Canadian media, like their counterparts almost everwhere else, tend to provide much unwarranted attention for the most extreme idiots. And even more regretably, Canadian politicians, again like their “politically correct” counterparts elsewhere, tend to cater to those extremists in seeking to use the attendant publicity for their own purposes.
I hear you loud and clear.
CBC comment moderator tend to be strongly feminist and regularly surpress views that don’t corroborate their preconceived notions.
Oh my god. The irony. I can’t even…
The fact that you dismiss this march as unnecessary, and in the SAME FUCKING ARTICLE SAY “omg lol SRSLY THO if a woman gets drunk and shit its HER FAULT if she gets rapes take some FCKIN RESPONSIBILITY”
You are expressing exactly what that Toronto cop said in one sentence, but in a much more drawn-out, ridiculous, and thoughtless way. “Don’t expect us to pretend that you didn’t bring it on yourself.”
And just when I couldn’t believe the complete stupidity of this post could be outdone, you say “Rather than women living with personal responsibility and accountability – like adults, we just gotta teach men not to rape women.
Feminists appear to have the child-like notion that they can do whatever they please and the world has to adapt to accommodate them.”
Moron. You’ve got it backwards. It is a man’s responsibility not to rape a woman, not a woman’s responsibility to fucking worry about what she is wearing and follow your little de-facto curfew. The fact that you think it is WOMEN that should adapt to men possibly raping them, instead of the much more sane notion that men should adapt to, oh I don’t know, NOT RAPING WOMEN, shows how fucking unbelievable you are.
You’re the one that wants a coddling. “Oh, poor me, women are walking around looking hot and I can’t rape them, how fucking terribly rude. Woe is me.” Give me a fucking break.
“Moron. You’ve got it backwards. It is a man’s responsibility not to rape a woman, not a woman’s responsibility to fucking worry about what she is wearing and follow your little de-facto curfew. The fact that you think it is WOMEN that should adapt to men possibly raping them, instead of the much more sane notion that men should adapt to, oh I don’t know, NOT RAPING WOMEN, shows how fucking unbelievable you are. ”
Hey, that’s a great idea. You know, you’re right,let’s just blame and ridicule all men with “anti-rape” classes because .001% of men rape women, that’ll stop a handful of CRIMINALS from raping. Just like waiting periods stop gun crime.
You fucking RETARD. All your approach does is tell regular men that they are rapists. The ACTUAL rapists aren’t gonna stop raping because somebody says “rape is wrong”. They don’t GIVE A FUCK that it’s wrong.
I SHOULD be able to stand on a street corner in Harlem wearing a bedsheet,waving a noose around in one hand and a handfull of 100 dollar bills in the other. I have freedom of speech.I have the RIGHT to do it. But if I do it, SOMEBODY is going to fucking KILL me. And I wouldn’t blame them because that shit is RETARDED.
Your approach is like trying to solve the problem of people getting bit by snakes by telling the SNAKES not to bite people instead of telling people to STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM SNAKES.
You are an imbecile.
I think all men should actually be taught what rape is, and what it actually means. When they seperate our health classes out, women are told and taught what rape is. Men never are, we as a group are never taught that unless we are self taught
As a man, who was raped by another man, it took me a long time to realize what it actually was. Because I thought targets of rape would need to be hospitalized afterwards because of how physically violent it would be. But it wasn’t for me, I was coerced and made to feel that I had no choice, and that I needed to do it to impress the person I was with. A Man who was nearly 20 years older to me and I was a teenager.
But for the longest time, I had issues with what happened but could never actually put a word to it. Because I didn’t actually know what rape actually was. I feel that if we, men, are properly educated on what rape is, what it means, and it’s effects, in a thorough and proper way, then yes, rapes would decline, and men would be more able to advocate for themselves as well if they also find themselves targets.
Also, if this site is serious about ‘misandry’ being a problem in our society, then if you want to be taken seriously you shouldn’t use oppressive language – but that’s just my take on things
I think you may be the most mature person that left a comment. You are right that men need to be taught about rape.
Anyone that doesn’t think we live in a world that encourages rape is living in a bubble or something.
And just for the people on here who apparently don’t know, to be a feminist means you are concerned about everyone in the world and that you want to make the world better for men, women, children, and eveyone else. Feminism shouldn’t be a dirty word! I think people get so upset over feminism because they are ignorant of what it means.
Whether or not this was a reasonable way to protest or an important issue isn’t what concerns me. What concerns me is the victim blaming and women hating that is being spewed on this site. If men are scared of women, they need a therapist not spew hatred. And all men should be worried about women’s issues because they affect men too. Duh!
By the way,bitch, I’ve been raped by women so you can shut your fucking sewer about “It is a man’s responsibility not to rape a woman”. Your side rapes too, you sexist fucking cunt.
Its the responsiblity of women not to dress like whores.. as they just bring attention to themselves. They know exactly what they are doing.. and what message they are sending out.
Yes some men rape women… but not ALL men.. but you are lead to believe that it is all men if you believe everything that the feminist say.
Men are not taught to rape women… Men and women are taught to respect others.
Yes you can dress nicely… without advertising yourself.. like showing a heck of a lot of clevage that if you bent over it would all spill out.. the same with the length of a dress or skirt… it is advertising what they have.
Quote: It is a man’s responsibility not to rape a woman, not a woman’s responsibility to fucking worry about what she is wearing and follow your little de-facto curfew. ~ BULLSHIT !!!!!!
It is a womens responsiblity to think before they ‘dress’… and then walk out the door… thinking what message they are sending to the world.
If you wish your daughter to dress like a skant.. or follow what some of the women of hollywood wear (as skimpish as some of it is)… then let them.. and see what tags are placed upon them.
You can dress nicely without looking like a whore/skank/slut… and still feel pretty/nice and good in yourself.
You men sound like the Taliban.
I don’t care if a woman is walking down the street naked – no man has the right to rape her!!!!!! Get that through your brains. By the way, no woman in her right mind would willingly let any of you emotional infants touch her.
Get this through your brain: No man in his right mind would rape anyone, least of all rape a woman who is dressed like a slut.
Wow! You people are something else! So a woman sends a message to the world by the way she dresses? And what is that message? Trust me, she isn’t sending a message that it is okay to rape her. It is okay for someone like you to rape her? I really wish men had to experience this same stupid crap! Maybe you should go out of your house dressed nicely! It might send a message to the world that you have money so you are asking to get robbed! What is wrong with you?
Vanity turns the smartest person into a fool.
Completely insane. Cause and effect is completely missing from this world view.
How can anyone possibly think that a reasonable solution to violence is simply to insist that everyone should not be violent. Those who are not violent will listen, those that are not, will not.
It’s like handing a strongly worded letter to the mugger that’s holding the gun on you to admonish him/her that it’s terribly wrong to make you adapt to the possibility of being mugged by walking around in a bad poorly lit area of town, with a lot of cash in your pocket and wearing expensive jewelery and hoping that that will save you.
Since rape is violence, the same precautions apply.
Oh, btw, thanks for visting, I was hoping some of Toronto’s professional protesters would happen by.
If I ever meet a woman say all that in person…I’ll spit on her
I promise.
Careful,that’s probably “rape” now too.
lol…and if it stays stuck on her shirt it’s also stalking.
sticking.
Actually, spitting on someone is simple assault. It is still wrong. Your mother would be very proud of you (that is sarcasm).
@Sonia: “You’re the one that wants a coddling. “Oh, poor me, women are walking around looking hot and I can’t rape them, how fucking terribly rude. Woe is me.” Give me a fucking break.”
Okay, you can take a “fucking break.” But I want you back on the assembly line in fifteen minutes.
In other words, you aren’t worth more than fifteen minutes.
So, if tomorrow bankers decide to remove all security measures, and put a large sign up front: new banking, no security, no keys, vaults are open, a million dollars in cash always present, and the day later the banks are robbed, are you going to join the march of bankers that say: “Evil society, you should teach your children not to rob banks!”, or are you going to pound the assholes into the ground and help the police escort them to a forced labor camp where they get to work until you have your money back?
You shouldn’t have to worry about rape, just like you shouldn’t have to worry about burglars whether or not you locked your doors or not, nor should you have to worry about the contents of your car being robbed if you left it there, or you car itself being robbed if you left the doors open and the key in the ignition; newsflash, we don’t live in a utopia.
And yes, the victims of the crimes get blamed. If you can’t prove you armed your security system and got your house robbed; your insurance company doesn’t pay up. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE IDIOTS!
Oh, by the way, men don’t have to adapt to not not raping women, they already do not rape women. Just like people don’t have to adapt to not stealing, not abusing, not performing wanton violence, etc. etc., nor does society need to start to teach people not to do those things, society already teaches people not to do those things. The problem is that one evil bastard/bitch who doesn’t give a damn about what he/she should or shouldn’t be doing, and does it anyway.
And you lock your doors, buy and arm your security systems, put your money into vault, key and heavier secured banks to protect yourself from that one evil asshole. And to protect yourself from that one evil asshole, if this world had remained sane, society would be expecting women to not act like complete idiots and take some precautions, not walk around with a sign that says, “Easy access here. I’m drunk too so I can’t put up a fight, and even if I wasn’t drunk, my stiletto heels keep me from running. Easy prey, here, mr. rapist.” And should you have done, society, just like they blame and mock all the other idiots, would continue to blame and mock the female idots.
Ah, but there’s the problem right. Women should be idiots without consequence or blame, men on the other hand, not so much.
Can I point out that almost all rapes have absolutely nothing to do with what the target is wearing, and usually committed by someone that he or she knows?
You are correct! Good point! Rape has nothing to do with what a woman is wearing or a man for that matter! It has to do with a depraved, disturbed person.
So, are you the “Redhead, or the Bluehead?
the blockhead
Honestly why anyone would want to attend a ‘rally’ under that banner. Cant they see it is totally degrading themselves. But then again they dont care one little bit.
No ‘real’ man would look at these women twice.. nor even once. Are are pathetic excuses for any women. No man would touch them with a ten foot pole.
No they dress like that in a way for it to say … ‘Hey look at me, look at me’… I want someone to look at me !!!! And as soon as a man does.. they turn around and say … stop looking at men, I am not something to look at. I dress like this because it makes me feel good.
It doesnt mean that I want to have sex with just any man… I want a man who has a six pack (not a slab), who is 6′ blonde hair, blue eye Hercules type of guy… who will bow down and do everything I say. (only in their dreams)
Well to these women I say… go find a cliff and jump off it. Dont hesitate. We dont need you on this planet at all. You are a misery to society.
Oh and just a quick note. My daughter ‘J’(15) goes to the gym and so does my son ‘L’ ~ 16 (my youngest 2). ‘J’ was wearing a tank top and leggings (sort of like tight trackies/sweat pants)… ‘L’ said to her… ‘go and put more clothes on’ and i thought wow… my son has taken notice of what ‘J’ is wearing… and I thought… hey he is really taking note of what all women wear and how they act.
It all starts out in small ways such as this for men not to be taken in by what women wear or do. I just hope it continues.
There have been 219 reported cases of sexual assault in the city of Toronto so far this year, in a population of over 2.5 million people. That means if you were a woman in Toronto from January to March 2011, you had a less than .017% out of 100 chance of being sexually assaulted, or 17 out of 100,000 women.
“Sexual Assault” is defined by the Toronto Police as behaviours that may range in severity from gestures, verbal assaults and attempts, to forced penetration, disfigurement and endangerment of life.
In other words if a man does something a woman doesn’t like, it’s sexual “assault”,……if she says it is.
You know in Ontario where this took place it is completely legal for any woman if she so chooses to go topless (and has been since 1996). I am surprised they haven’t protested not being allowed topless in places where men also cannot be topless (no shoes, no shirt, no service) claiming that Rotten Ronnie is oppressing wyminz. And so far I’ve only ever seen ONE pair of titties even worth a second glance(as referred to in the topless law not my personal life lol), and that in 15 years. Looks like it is going to be about the same with the slut walk.
Let’s not forget the other catch-all charge in Ontario ……. “Sexual harassment” which original covered only those in positions of authority using said authority to actually, you know attempt to obtain sexual favours. But, now cover petty things like “being offended by a joke not even told to you that you overheard while eavesdropping”, or staring at a woman “too long” if she is made to “feel uncomfortable”. And, you are not allowed to point out that 3/4′s of her tits were exposed by her clothing, and as a health man you are going to look!!! The only difference between clumsy flirting and sexual harassment is who is doing it.
Let’s call a spade a spade and say that…. These women are not looking to prevent rape. Besides being attention whores, they honestly believe every woman has every right to not only be a cock-tease with no attendant risks. But, also to use the judicial system to beatdown a man if he is not the one she DID seek that exact kind of attention from.
Oh come now…. Don’t just “thumbs down”.
Say your piece. Maybe I am wrong (though I doubt it) and if you see it differently…. Well then have your say.
Also, Paul: Any chance we can get an “edit” button for times when I type “health, but meant “healthy”?
You will rarely get someone that gave you a ‘thumbs down’ to give an explanation. They don’t have the balls. They hide behind that little red thumb like the chicken shits that they are. It is usually a feminist, but there are some men that will ‘thumbs down’ you.
But most of them have the balls to tell you why.
It is why I love reading here.
Men=balls
Feminists=wish they had ‘em, but pretend that they do.
Men can be feminists too! Dumb ass!
Also consider that we’re talking about “REPORTED” Sexual assaults, not convicted, or factual.
What? A report isn’t an automatic conviction?
I say that as a joke but, the social repercussions of false accusations alone demand extremely stiff penalties for accusations found to be false.
Feminists scream blue bloody murder when this is suggested claiming, “This will just prevent women from coming forward and reporting rapes….. you don’t want rapists walking free do you? ***bat eyelashes***”
Nevermind that it only discourages FALSE claims. Protecting men and women(resource wasted on false claims could be used to help both male and female REAL victims for a change)
Also consider we’re talking about reported, and this does not include all the sexual assaults that don’t go reported.
The women in the above picture view sex as either a tool to get something from a man or a weapon to use against a man. They do not care about women getting raped. They are just mad that a man told them not to dress like sluts, not because dressing like sluts makes them a target, but because dressing like sluts helps some women use their sexuality to try and gain some type of leverage over a man and a man chose to call them out on it.
And in their case, a very blunt weapon. Something like a fat rock tied to the end of a stick.
Liberty without responsability is barbarisim. Someday feminists will learn that. Or at least I hope so.
doubtful
Off-topic:
Progressive feminists on Twitter threaten to cut off men’s penises if Planned Parenthood is defunded
http://twitter.com/jodmentum/status/56503371405852672
They are worried that their funding will be cut to ‘just womens groups’ and so it should be… USA is in so much debt.. that all funding to these ‘special’ groups should be cut.
That is disturbing. If a league of women did manage to cut off a few thousand penises in the night like some modern-day version of “The Night of A Thousand Knives”, they would probably be treated as victims. Further, a new medical disorder will be named for it along with new laws to protect women sufferers from being tried as competent criminals in the courtroom. This will all happen faster than you we say postpartum depression.
And why isn’t this legally held as hate-speech/threat ?
As you can see, society is so effing degenerate that men are treated like, and often worse than, farmed animals. The clueless turds in the ‘Ho-lee-fuck’ video are part of the problem.
When was the last time a man chopped off a breast or clitoris or cut out the ovaries off an offending woman ? Like never ? That’s exactly why women are so bold – men don’t fight back. Society is only going to get more and more stupid and misandric -never mind all the women who shrug off feminism , they are only shrugging off the label, not the ideology ! They will still support feminism, they will still rip you off and they will still maim , mutilate and murder you given the assured protection from white knights and manginas.
The question is when will feminism end , and the answer is whenever men unite like pack wolves to readily castrate misandric women without hesitating for a nano-second. I won’t hold my breath, but I’ll keep my knife ready. Unity is the key to victory.
There’s an anecdote I read someplace, and IMO it is very pertinent to the MRM. What we stand for is to be respected and treated with fairness, and basically most of the prejudice, discrimination and violence meted out to males is because of lack of respect , AND lack of fear. If you treat someone well , fairly, kindly, it is because you have at least one of respect for, or fear of , for the person.
To quote, a (Japanese?) leader/general/king was asked what he would choose, out of being respected and being feared. He is said to have replied with no uncertainty, that he would prefer to feared over respected.
Men can only be in peace if women fear men. If not, there will always be the evil we know as feminism, omnipresent in the lives of men.
The last time some man cut off a woman’s clitoris was probably a few seconds ago in some religious ceremony in some Third World hell hole, where they do not believe that men and women are equal as human beings. Or it could be in Toronto, or DC. Violence against women is WRONG! That is what these protests are trying to illustrate. You have no moe right to mug someone and steal their fancy watch than you do to rape a woman who is wearing a short skirt and heels. It is called decency, and from reading the comments on this page, it seems to be lacking in most of the people.
Feminism will end maybe when equality and freedom truly become the norm in our society. Don’t hold your breath waiting for it, but many of you should try.
Unite like pack wolves? Wow! That really boosts your argument against being treated like animals?
Amazing! The reality of that is, of course, that the last time and any time a girl underwent female circumcision it was with virtual certainty done by a woman. As to violence against women being wrong, of course it is, but so is violence against children, which women engage in at least twice as often often than men do, and which mothers do about nine times as often than natural fathers do.
I don’t know if these protest try to get across anything other than that women can do what they want and that men better let them do it or else. If there was any other message, as you allege, purveyed by the Toronto “slut-walk”, then not even the media picked up on it. So, the only message that got across was that women can do what they want, and that was the objective.
There will not be true equality and freedom in our society until feminism is gone.
I don’t think that anybody would want to be around these ugly whores, let alone rape them. I can just imagine how bad they really smell when you pile them up in a group, and stand right between all of them. They probably reek of dead fish and aged cheese, after standing under the sun for too long with all of their drooping body parts exposed.
(Sorry for the vulgarity ladies and gentlemen, I’m just saying.)
Calling them “ugly whores” is an insult to the women who are actually ugly and prostitute themselves for money. It’s much worse than that. I’m sure all of the money the women here spent on getting those stupid costumes could have been used to buy a gym membership and get in shape, or, if not, they could have used it to buy some sort of Oprah-style self esteem course and keep their mouths shut so that MAYBE some man might actually love them.
What motivation is there for them to “get in shape” with the level of funding for females in teh healthcare industry? Besides they only need find some horny fool with no standards and bang…. set for life extorting his work and the welfare system.
I have never understood how women can even have such backwards logic. I discuss my position more in detail over at my blog, which essentially echos the same sentiments that you did.
Good post.
@Daegus,
I scoured your site http://realitysnapsback.wordpress.com/ and it’s an inspiration.
Posters and other red pillarians check it out. It’s grand as a spanner.
Chick with blue hair. CAUTION!!! WIDE LOAD.
@Raven01
I want an edit button too…….for the times that I type
Excuse me again! Is that a prostitute’s uniform you are wearing?
Why is it that women don’t think that criminals don’t ‘profile’ their next mark?
A bona-fide criminal of any kind, no matter the crime they are about to commit, (even if it is an ‘unexpected opportunity’) has sized you up, assessed vulnerability/location…manner of dress, gait, and even their means of escape…in a matter of seconds. (before you even know what hit you.)
If you look like a sleezy piece of shit hooker, that is drunk, and nobody’s even going to miss you if you don’t show up at home, I promise you, you will be assessed as such.
And that fact alone, would probably make you wonder if you did not look that way, would you even be in the position you may find yourself in, if that were to happen…had you not?
There are no guarantees in life. But I sure do like the odds to be in my favor when it comes to probabilities.
I have no more to say on this subject.
Those women are assholes.
Izzey
Kudos, he would not have been in this trouble if he said, “Walk with confidence, predators are generally opportunists and will take the easier mark”
He caught shit for pointing out that and aroused RAPIST (note not an aroused MAN) is a more dangerous beast. Maybe he should have qualified it with, “dress as slutty as you like if you are out with 20 friends and will never be alone”.
Doesn’t do much for those just plain dropdead gorgeous women out there that could still dressed any way arouse a rapist dressed in any manner, but that isn’t what was being discussed. The issue is limiting risk.
It is also my right to not get rear-ended in my Jeep but you can bet your ass i will still wear my seatbelt incase you believe differently.
OT
Another link to fuel the fires of hate.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8234814
The have already started protecting her by refusing to name her. Women kills child……can’t be named. Man accused of looking at child porn…..no proof….is named and shamed all over the world. It’s called equality
The victim is the overlord in this society. The victim sets the agenda, bullies attention, and undermines leadership and social order. Why this society finds victims and then elects them leaders of humanity – I – do – not – know. Maybe it’s something to do with bad Christian dogma of guilt and original sin? Or is it just that humanity is still like a baby crying for it’s mother? Then using that sympathy and attention for personal gain? I think your right about that Patrick John Doran. But the MRM should not expect this sort of pattern to further our cause.
Yeah, if men get up and cry victim and break down sobbing while telling stories of abuses against them, and of men in general…….the pubic just…….abuses them lol
So if we can’t get change by making our grievances public. What can we do. You have to get an emotional response from people for them to support your cause. And since men can’t get a caring type of emotional response…..because people just don’t care about us….and that’s the truth…..then what emotional response can we get.
Well, it’s like this. If I’m sitting in the desert with a bunch of people, and they have water and I don’t…..and they won’t give me any…..and I point out that I’m dying….and suffering…..and my tongue is swollen up and I’m chocking to death on it….and it has no affect…..because they feel no sympathy for me….and really don’t give a damn if I die…..or how horribly I die……no emotional response…..not enough for them to part with some of their precious water anyway. So….what emotional response can I use to get them to give me some water. The answer…….fear. Fear is all that’s left to use. So…..I pull out my gun and say…..give me some water or I am going to blow one of your heads off for every min that I am thirsty. The fear of being shot will make them cough up the water
Well…since violence is out of the question…..what fear can we put into people that will force them to consider our needs.
cut off the supply of money transfer from men to women
. i.e DEMAND 50% of fathers that want there kids GET THEM and the woman pay support…. and actually work or go to jail for losing a job. Let them face that reality for just a little while then when the media covers “how hard women have it” point out that men have been treated that way for more than 2 decades and no one said boo
Easy,every time a catastrophe has happened since the dawn of time, guess who cleaned up the mess? How much would you be willing to wager that every single one of the “Fukushima 50″ are men? I’ve tried to find out but they’re using the gender neutral term “workers” and would even if it was all men.
Anyway, I’d bet dollars to donuts that at least 40 of them are male.
If I was working at that plant I’d say “Fuck you. I ain’t cleaning that shit up.” and tell them WHY I’m gonna sit back and let all that radiation leak into the environment. And that’s because EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME somebody has to die for society, that person is one of us, but when WE need something from society,they laugh at us and call us babies.
Let’s sit back and have a laugh at THEM next time. “Ooooh help me, I’m dying of radiation,hahahaha! Oh, you poor,poor dears, you have it soooo hard.”.
THAT will put some FUCKING FEAR in these cocksuckers. The idea that they may have to actually fend for themselves instead of using US as human shields scares the living SHIT out of them.
I mean it, I don’t give a shit how much money they offer you or how much it hurts you to watch others suffer (it hurts me quite a bit,sometimes,I know the feeling),fuck ‘em, let ‘em clean up the radiation (or whatever) their fucking selves. That’s what they’re always telling US, isn’t it? “Oh,you’re all misogynists, even if you do have these issues, deal with it yourselves and quit whining.” well to them I say “Eat some salt,and quit whining.”.
All of the Fukushima 50 (200 in fact) are male…
See,that’s what I thought.Anytime somebody has to get irradiated for the common good, that person has a dick.
I say we force feminists to do it from now on. “Girl power! Get your ass in there and show ‘em you can absorb radiation just as good as any man, even BETTER,in fact,because of your magical lead shielded vagina.”
Thought so. Every time someone has to be irradiated for the common good, it’s always somebody with a dick. I say we make feminists do it from now on. Women should have equal representation among the irradiated.
It’s funny, you know, if the Fukushima 50 were cleaning up piles of money instead of radioactive material they’d be demanding strict 50/50 gender quotas by now.
sorry for the double post.
450 now, because even heroes need to sleep… (occasionally)
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/17/world/la-fgw-japan-quake-fukushima-50
http://abcnews.go.com/International/fukushima-50-line-defense-japanese-nuclear-complex/story?id=13147746
The second one actually tells you they are MEN in shifts of 50 essentially giving up their lives in an effort to save everyone else.
This has become a much bigger story than need be. Its so simple…you CAN dress like a slut if you want to…but dont be offended when you get treated like one. Its okay to be slutty, but you’ll be treated as such and tats just the way it is…..these ugly sows need to grow up.
Anyone that thinks it’s not the way I describe above isn’t living in the real world.
Billions of dollars are raised every year for people that are homeless….starving etc…througout the world. Why do you think that those ads always have women and children on them. Never men. Even though most of the homeless are men…..they are never featured. That’s because nobody will donate money to save men……even starving men laying in the desert like skeletons……it doesn’t pull any heart strings……so they don’t use that. In fact….it would probably shut down donations like asking people to donate to a pedophile welfare fund.
On the other hand……as in Haiti…..fundraising was done on the basis of only supplying food and medicine to women and children. And that worked.
The fact is that men are not cared about. Society in general only cares about what men want when we hold a gun to someones head.
Are you certain that the aid in haiti was only used for women and children? My sister took a charity mission to haiti a few years ago where the doctors perform free procedures for the poorest of the poor and many of them were men….Im just asking cause i’d hate to think that were the case and because Ive been told different by my sister.
IIRC, The Red Cross gave all the food to women because of male stereotyping.
Oh,forgot to mention this was during the whole Haiti quake fiasco. I believe that’s what he’s referring to.
Thats so sad…I feel sorry for all of those people…male or female doesnt matter…poor haitians. thats so wrong.
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I might get thumbed down for this but just hear me out. Now I dont date anymore for the simple fact that its just not worth it, BUT me personally I don’t go for looks I go for personality. A women by standard can be physically sexy and be ugly as hell, just as a women by standard can be physically ugly but sexy. The attitude is what makes or breaks them and in cases like these women they are ugly inside and out. I have seen some women who at first glance who are ugly as sin but as soon as I had a conversation with them I was usually amazed at how fast all that went out the window because Their attitudes made them appealing and made me want to know more on an intimate level. Sadly the majority of women are hot and ugly or ugly and just ugly. I’m just saying.
If I ever have a son, I am NOT going to teach him to stay with me at all times when we go out into the public especially the city. I am not going to teach him to not trust strangers. I am not going to teach him to learn to look behind his shoulder. I won’t teach him what some strangers may say to kids to lure them out of public eye. No, I will just go on a big campaign to teach certain people how not to be child-molesters, child-killers and kidnappers or muggers or theives.
Hmm..maybe not. It is’nt very responsible parenting.
Oh and when the boys gets older, I won’t teach him to have a set of balls with women and draw lines and set boundaries and not kiss women’s asses. I just want to teach certain women not to be using, entitled, men-blaming parasites.
Yeah..that’ll work!
I agree Giselle…and so do most of the sluts I know lol. It’s the phony pretender that thinks like these women. They can dress up…..talk the talk……..but they got nothing…..just little children playing games…..pretending to be something they are not. If a woman wants to dress up and attract male attention, then they have to accept that male attention. Sure they have a right to refuse advances…..but they have no right getting pissed off at advances….they have advertised…..now are shooting the applicants. If they don’t want the attention…….simple…..don’t solicit it. What else can we expect from the sex that thinks it’s abuse for a man to expect sex even from his wife.
I can’t remember what forum I read this on, but there was a post on some feminist forum that said…..”why do MRAs think it’s abusive of a woman to deprive husands of sex” followed by the usual bullshit comments…..womens body……womens choice…….yeah it is….it was a choice to get married…..you chose.
By the way….here in Oz…it is considered domestic abuse if a man deprives his wife of affection, sex, companionship etc. So we should be asking them why.
Good one Stu : )
“it is considered domestic abuse if a man deprives his wife of affection, sex, companionship etc”
Are you serious??
Hey Stu,
Look, any woman who chooses to withhold sex from her man, ( married or not) as a form of punishment is only shooting herself in the foot. If you love someone, and unless youre physically ill, or in a terrible way for some other reason ( tragedy, depression, shock) you should still TRY to please him…like i said, unless youre really down and out, sex shouldnt be a tool to use against your partner…it should be what brings you closer to eachother…it is a crime to withhold sex and other forms of affection from your mate on purpose….I only love OZ cause i loved steve irwin…lol
also,I figure if i were to tell my man that i wasnt going to have sex with him id be punishing myself as well….its like this never occurs to the women who do that sort of thing..if u dont have sex with him, then guess what: you dont have sex either! DUH! So why deny both parties pleasure..eventually he will look elsewhere and you’ll be heartbroken.
.if u want to disagree then argue about it but dont further the distance by treating him like a freaking child. i guess these women just think of sex as a chore. and as a weapon, they can be much more violent and nasty than many rapists i think…i’ll never understand it….btw, i dont think husbands can really rape their wife….so theres u are.
Awesome Giselle.
Oh and uhh…there ARE men who rape women. And there ARE men and women that lure children already vulnerable and harm them. And there are serial killers. And they will be what they will be, and do what they do. Teaching them has about as much affect as this stupid, laughable protest.
It is those upon whom these people prey that must be taught.
Oh, it’s also against the law to coerce sex from your wife. How much more coercion can you have then having a law that says it’s abuse if you don’t arc it up when she wants it.
Basically what you illustrate is that it is ok for a woman to coerce her man, by way of allowing the law to, but a man may not ever coerce her.
Im afraid not Atlas. It’s real. Not one time, I’m talking about over time. So if your wife is bitch to you, and you don’t want to fuck her anymore because she treats you like shit……..it’s not her thats abusive….it’s you.
And now that I don’t want to get married because of all this “calculated bullshit” (thanks Paul) the women say what to that?
“Oh you’re just a wimp afraid of a commitment!”
Yep! I am.
…well I am NOT a wimp being an MRA has made me a stronger man for sure. But afraid of having a relationship? Yeah, and it’s what some would call a “healthy fear”.
Actually it’s the women that are afraid of commitment, that’s why they made all these laws that allow them to get out of their commitments without cost, or should I say, with profit.
This is true. Also, when men meet women for the first few months or longer of dating, he has to put up with her dozen or so “guy friends”, while he almost never has any female friends besides her. He has to pretend to have absolutely no problem with her hanging out with all these other men or he is an “insecure control freak stuck in the old days when women were oppressed before their sexual revolution”.
This is a huge example of their fear of commitment. They all have a huge following of guys, of whom they are probably cheating on the poor guy with, until they make up their mind which one they want, which may take months, years, or never. They accept gifts and nights out on the town from all of these guys in what I call the “hopeful” category. I know this game all too well. It is almost always the woman who won’t commit, lets things get physical with many guys all at the same time, and leaves even the most commited men after declaring that they need “space”. Yeah, right. You mean space with other guys in it until you can make up your mind.
I am completely done with them. I don’t play their games. But I still have to hear that “men” have committment issues. The total opposite is true.
Real commitment is something you can’t walk away from or change your mind about. Like jumping off a skyscraper, once you jump, your committed lol
Stu,
“A man is only as good as his word.”
BUT
“It is a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.”
Already covered this earlier:
Its very simple point, to use the phrase that my father used with my
sister in her teens:
“Don’t go advertising what you are not prepared to sell and expect the
punters to take no for an answer”.
You wouldn’t flash your own cash-stuffed wallet in a public place and then reasonably expect credibility or sympathy for having it stolen, its exactly
the same principle here.
Another example, you wouldn’t (as a man anyway) run your mouth to
some guy and expect not to get in a fight or maybe get an ass whooping
for your trouble.
The general concensus in both cases will be “you were clearly asking
for it because of your own damn stupidity”.
To put it another way, this is the “real world” and in the
“real world” you can’t just act like an idiot and not expect to
be on the receiving end of the often inherent very unpleasant consequences.
It just doesn’t work like that.
[img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Slut walk X.JPG[/img]
But feminists believe they can force reality to conform to ideology. They think that belief and conviction in ideology is what makes reality. Gravity can be defied and the laws of physics and thermodymamics and every other natural law in the universe can be altered by force of will. In other words, they believe in magic. Their brand of magic is emotional. Reality can be formed by emotions. They can’t accept reality as it is, and they can’t accept not being able to change it. They have a lot in common with the novel 1984. There revisionist history for example. Remember in the book, the guy said, where does the past exist. Nowhere of course is the only answer. It doesn’t exist, it existed, but now it does not. What exists of the past is only peoples memories, and knowledge of the past…….so if you change those…..you have changed the past….because you have changed the only thing of the past that actually exists……a new reality created lol.
This is a good point, I was trying to quantify what Sonia said, and this it is.
Yeah so I’ve heard Kevin. Well, they can jump of a building, and they can change their mind on the way down, but gravity doesn’t care about that, you made a commitment and now your going to live up to it lol
Victim blaming also includes things such as blaming the Duke Lacrosse men for “making poor decisions”. How is this not victim blaming but blaming women for dressing slutty and leaving with strange men is? Notice these lowlifes never say about the men who are blamed for being raped in prison by other men. I would be willing to bet that the unanimous opinion of these sluts on male prison rape issue would be “he shouldn’t have broken the law”. Or, for men who have their lives destroyed by women and the family courts “should have picked a better woman” in their opinion. How is this different from men telling these sluts who were victims of date rape that they should have “picked a better date”.
The victim blaming that they do is actually worse. In my opinion, a man having his entire life ruined by the family courts to the point of taking his own life is a much worse example of the terrible treatment of a human being than a woman being raped. They are both bad, but rape usually does not destoy a woman’s entire life, making suicide seem like her only option left, given the circumstances after the injustice, as with how many family court cases are for men. I would be willing to be bet that they would refer to these suicides as being “his own fault”.
Hey, someone stole our theme.
Go have a look at this video on youtube…….fast forward to the end and see what pops up lol
At 3mins 4 secs you see this…
[file]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Red pill.bmp[/file]
It’s stupid that these females don’t think that slutty clothing doesn’t influence rape. That’s why nobody gets raped in the middle east, where women dress modestly.
Exactly. Like someone else said, middle eastern culture even ENCOURAGES the raping of women who dress like whores/sluts. Sucks for people like Lara Logan who seem to believe that they can go just about anywhere, ignore cultural standards and live the way they live in the west.
Yeah right.
Not sure why but the link in my comment doesn’t seem to be clickable. Maybe it’s just me though. Anyways I was linking to here:
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/02/15/lara-logan-is-either-an-idiot-or-a-liar/
Umm, thats also the same place where women are covered in burkas and not allowed to go anywhere unless accompanied by a male….perhaps women dont get raped as often in the middle east as they do in other nations, but i dont think that covering us up and beating us for wanting to go to school or have fun is the answer either…
Nobody wants to do that here. He’s just saying that a woman dressed like a slut is putting herself in danger around a rapist. A man with high social status who is highly desirable among women puts himself in danger around a female rapist in the same manner. In some respects the women have it easier in the rape prevention area because they can wear different clothes,but a man can’t just change his desirability like a change of clothes,it takes months.
Speaking of red pills, after you take one this is what you see.
Click to read it.
[img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/A slut march 2 biger.JPG[/img]
..and now for the last in this series: A mangina at the slutwalk thingy.
[img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Mangina.JPG[/img]
The Dirty Slut Song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d5zoEu7Gnk
Here is a video of the mother of the two women in this photo.
[img]http://avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/slutwalk-1.jpg[/img]
Kinda Makes me ashamed to be a Torontonian after crap like this. Or even Canadian, given the completely unopposed man-hate that I’ve received for speaking up on the political facebook message boards…
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5661704203&topic=67175
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=60266912006&topic=14674
Hey Kratch,
I read your postings on topic=67175 and you make us proud in that you demonstrate sheer tenacity and patience with the hard line swine.
That Joy Dykeman is one dishonest twit. She says, “I am neither feminist nor non-feminist. I am a woman who… (blah blah..)
..and then says stuff like, “And now we can honestly believe that men are irrelevant in our lives.”
You have written hundreds and hundreds of words with dealing with her and your responses always deal with content while her replies are almost always
1/ Shame inducing
2/ Hateful
3/ Irrelevant
4/ Tiresome
5/ Hackneyed
6/ Egocentric
7/ Arrogant
8/ Deceitful
…and what does that spell ?
Kratch,
I read topic=14674
Now that was a very interesting read.
Bloody top show there mate.
I left a reply you might have a chuckle over.
Well done! Wish more of us had that sort of tenacity (me included)…
Here is Chelsea Fagan’s piece on SlutWalk, posted on the popular Thought Catalog blog. She was, of course, crucified online by feminists and later, her editor:
“I’ve never understood feminism. I know, like ice cream, it comes in a cornucopia of flavors and melts away quickly when held in a man’s hand (just kidding, ladies!) but I never understood its more… paradoxical expressions. I’ve been accused from time to time of being a woman hating woman (occasionally here on Thought Catalog) but that couldn’t be further from the truth. It is simply that, as a woman, I am often expected to agree with general sentiments that don’t sit easily with my sense of reason, never more so than with things like this.”
“For those of you who haven’t heard, there was a “Slutwalk” yesterday in Toronto where women took to the street to raise awareness for their right to… dress like sluts. Apparently, a police constable made the unfortunate choice of publicly saying, “Women should avoid dressing like sluts in order to not be victimized.” I think we can all agree here that this was not the most delicate phrasing, but I would be lying if I said that there wasn’t a good amount of truth to what he said.”
“We can all laugh when Dave Chappelle does his routine about women dressing like sluts at clubs getting offended when men make unwanted sexual advances, especially when he makes the apt comparison of dressing like a police officer and then getting offended when people ask for help on the street. That, to all of us, is funny and relatable. “Yeah,” we seem to think, “women shouldn’t dress like prostitutes if they don’t want to be propositioned for sex by a stranger.” Yet when a police officer makes a very similar assertion, we no longer see what he’s saying. We can only think of it in black-and-white terms. This is an officer of the law, and anyone who is victimized should immediately be 100 percent innocent and showered with sympathy and understanding.”
“As he does not specify in his statement what “victimized” means exactly, I’ll assume it runs the gamut from being cat called on the street to being raped. And just like a young man dressed like a gangbanger and walking through a bad neighborhood with a menacing, threatening stance could be met with verbal aggression or a gunshot wound to the chest – all things are not created equal. He does not deserve to be murdered because he walked down the street, but he (as an adult) understood the risks he was taking.”
“The truth of the matter is that rape, murder, battery, verbal assault, and everything in between have existed for as long as humans have. There is a constant threat, especially in concentrated urban areas, that you will be a victim at some point. I myself live in a relatively dangerous urban area where men are quite verbally forward. You learn quickly to not make eye contact, to keep your posture upright, and to keep walking. And beyond that, if you want to further increase your chances of remaining safe and flying under the radar, you do not dress like a prostitute. You do not dress like someone who is out tonight to find sex by any means necessary. You can look pretty, feminine, elegant, attractive – without stripping your appeal down to its basest, most physical level. Women know the kind of attention they attract when they dress like that. And just like the Supreme Court can’t define porn but knows it when it sees it, we know when we look into the mirror before we go out if we look like we’re trying to lay down for the first man that looks at us. Even if we don’t want to admit it.”
“I have, like pretty much every 22-year-old girl, gone out looking like a slut occasionally. And I got a significantly higher amount of leers, cat calls, and uncomfortable attention. I was not surprised; I had no one but myself to blame for the sudden nervous feeling that flared up in my stomach as I walked passed men checking out my shape in my revealing dress. I don’t dress like this anymore for that very reason. I want men to look at me and have thoughts other than, “I could have sex with her tonight if I wanted.””
“And perhaps the most compelling reason to put at least some of the responsibility on women here is that often, dressing in an extremely suggestive manner can be the tipping point in a sexually charged situation. Not all sexually aggressive acts are perpetrated by a violent repeat offender hiding in an alley. Often times the situations that can make women the most uncomfortable, and in some ways the most vulnerable, are in situations where alcohol and socialization are involved. Women are pressured, followed, and hounded by men who, when sober and in the light of day, often would never do such a thing. And for a man, a sexually and visually driven man not in full command of his wits, having a woman tell him “no” while wearing the most provocative, arousing, blatantly sexual outfit possible is, to say the least, confusing. And while that does not give him the right to violate her, it also cannot be claimed that women are entirely innocent in this situation.”
“I know that the knee-jerk reaction to this kind of scenario is that women are unequivocally the victims, but they are also adults. They are also capable of assessing risks, the kind of risks that we live with every day. And if they choose to ignore these risks, to feed into them, to put themselves further into danger – they are not being the most intelligent, capable adults they could. They are being, to some degree, irresponsible. That just may not look quite as catchy on a pink sign.”
Visual sexual harrassment must be recognized as the eqivalent of auditory sexual harrassment. That must be the law. The is fair and equal. If male words can have such an unacceptably negative affect on females that requires the force of law to intercede, then female appearance can equally have that negative effect on males. Both circumstances are founded in basic sensory perception, sight and sound, neither involves physical contact or violence. The law must be balanced in this way. This will apply particularly to the workplace where men suffer constant and overt sexual harrassment by way of the deliberate exaggeration of the female fertility and sexual appearance. This results in a biological distraction of men from their work purpose and constitutes a hostile work environment where females are advertising sexual messages with no intention of having actual sex. This is a flaunting abuse of the male nature, in no way less severe than a male expressing frustration at the well understood and scientifically founded distraction.
Further, if the burden of proof that sexual harrassment has occured is that she- wait for it- “FEELS” it is so, that she “FEELS” she was ‘harrassed’, then the same burden of proof stands in the case of a male victim. If he ‘feels’ that the females appearance was distracting, inappropriate and sexually harrassing, then it was.
If the speech aspect of Freedom of Expression can be infringed by the ‘feelings’ of a female, then so too can the adornment and press (sexualizing appearance is fundamentally a case of symbolism) aspect of Freedom of Expression be equally infringed by the ‘feelings’ of a male.
The freedom to paint your face and inflate your tits is not a superior constitutional right to freedom of speech.
I am amazed at the level of stupidity here. I am a former prison guard. Some comments said we should educate men not to rape, rather than teach women to keep themselves safe from rapists. UNREAL. So there is an educational system or program somewhere that will keep a predator from chasing it’s prey? There are sick people out there and teaching them that what they are doing is wrong does not make them stop doing it.
As far as a persons right to dress as they please, some degree of understanding of your surroundings is needed.
Naked on a nude beach in Rio De Jenero? OK. Nude on a subway car at 2pm? Not OK. Sometimes people go to jail for rape and have done nothing wrong.
Example: A person knowingly and willingly consumes 10 shots of vodka and some ecstasy, wakes up next morning next to a stranger, the stranger is now a rapist. Same person wakes up in a jail cell and has no memory of how they got there. “Being intoxicated is no excuse for breaking the law if you chose to be intoxicated.” Just a way to make yourself feel better about banging a stranger and deciding the next morning they are too ugly for you and need to go to prison.
So why IS naked on a nude beach ok? I mean seriously- they are FLAUNTING EVERYTHING. They’re just ASKING to be raped, right? Not even a little string bikini to hide all that flesh. That can ONLY mean one thing- everyone on that beach- men, women, children- all want sex!
While we’re at it, how about beaches in general? They’re just walking around in what amounts to bra and underwear, right? And of all ages, too! Old women in those one piece suits being all provocative and showing off their bodies. Oh, and we can’t forget all the public pools as well as people are dressed far too sexy there, too.
Let’s not forget about SUMMER. Oh dear gods, the weather just makes EVERYONE into a slut- they’re wearing shorts and tank tops and skirts above the knees. Completely indecent. They should definitely be covering up all that skin, despite the intense heat. Doesn’t matter that all the guys are walking around with their shirts off and wearing shorts themselves- THEIR showing off their legs and bare chest won’t get them raped, right?
chuckle, this is a celar case of somebody not having gotten it. sexism OFTEN is not MEANT mean. but that still doesn’t make it any less real.
as an aside: I – as a woman – always appreciate when *men* tell me what *I* as an emacipate woman *should* be worried about and what I shouldn’t the very fact how MANY how MANY women all over the freakin planet are reacting to this SHOULD drive home to you that very obviously there is SOMETHING you are missing. MAybe , just maybe it is because you have a penis.
so there I said it
bye
This site should be called “misogynists” unite. Since many of the men posting here are still blaming female victims of violence/rape/sexual assault – truly disgusting. Perhaps you’re so angry because you’d like to participate in violence/rape/sexual assault against women without consequence? Get educated and stop victim blaming. This cannot possibly be the only “voice for men.” Many EDUCATED men attended Slutwalk and spoke out against perpetuating the cycle of blaming women for cowardly verbal and physical attacks by men in our society. Maybe a federal mandated curfew for men might help solve the problem. We are not going to hide in our homes because men cannot “control” themselves (what a joke). Take responsibility and learn something about the women in your lives (mothers, sisters, daughters, partners, friends). We have had enough and we are not going to take this abuse any longer. See you next year at Slutwalk IF you are not afraid to speak your truth rather than hide behind comment boards. MAN UP BOYS!
Poor attempt at shaming language. Women want protection and safety with no responsibility on their part. Men are not going to take the abuse heaped on them by women any longer. Your own comments are testament to the hatred feminists have for men who show any independent thought or beliefs. We will not bend knee to the feminist demands, we will not join your tamed males and their hive mind.
so, it’s cool to rape a chick as long as she’s dressed slutty then, right?
I think the whole point has been lost. Rape is not about what a woman/man wears, what they say or how they act. Its a power trip. Its a “I can do this because I’m bigger and badder than you and I take what I want”. Who cares what anyone dresses like, what they look like or how they act. If someone, man or woman, wants something and thinks they can get away with it, they’ll take it. Its in our innate natures. We shouldn’t be going on and on about teaching men/women anything except how to control ourselves and how to tell the difference between right and wrong. Right: Don’t take anything that isn’t offered freely – Wrong: Taking something just because you think you should have it and hurting another in the process. I’m a single mother and I hope to Goddess I can teach my little boy right from wrong…
Reading these comments has me exhausted. Feminism frees women from oppression, being second class citizens, and equal treatment and pay for equal work. We are not sex objects and neither are men. We are all people and need to respect each other. Feminism brought about freedom for men in allowing them to show feelings and not be mocked, no false machismo, allowed them to show their excellent parenting without being mocked and other good things. Men who are raised by mothers who know that men and women are both equal, don’t end up mysogynists. As for calling women sluts is degrading. Women are free to enjoy their sexuality and not be name called. Rape is a crime of violence used against a susceptible victim be she or a he. The way a women dresses may cause sexual stimulation but that doesn’t cause rape. When a woman gets drunk or is drugged by ectasy etc, she hopefully is protected by her friends. Raping women in war is a false victory but the many women and children are victims whom we should protect. Trafficking of women and children for sexual perverts is wrong also. As for overweight women. Some men do find them attractive and do want sex with them so mocking someone, because she is overweight is a waste of words and shows ignorance in what is really happening in the world. I think Slutwalk was started to mock the man who made the comment about how women dress. If a women wants to dress sexy and even if she wants to say she is a slut or loose woman, that is her gig and not something that opens the gate for raping. Yes we need to teach our young men to respect all women, thinking of them like a mother or sister or other relative. We also need to teach women to respect themselves and know they have worth other than sexy dressing. But if a so called police officer shows his ignorance, I can understand the reaction of women and wanting to “shove it in his face” and I mean the “slut image”. Hopefully this will bring some discussion to the real issues and not silly fighting words at each other.
If these are the voices of ‘men’ then I guess I’m going to have find another way to describe myself. The fact that you would align yourself with sexual predators and child molesters, and say that that sort of mentality is the default operating procedure for ALL men — that women should behave themselves around us because we are incapable of controlling our urges — is a fucking embarrassment.
Follow this argument through to the end and you’ll have installed a Taliban government, forcing all the women to wear burkas.
Congratulations.
No one here is aligning themselves with sexual predators you utter fucking moron. If I go to Harlem and start yelling “nigger!” at the top of my lungs, then obviously the guy who ends up shooting and killing me will be in the wrong, but that doesn’t make me any less of a retard for having yelled “nigger!” in Harlem in the first place.
This article and the comments after it make me want to barf. The viewpoint here seems to be enforcing the stereotype that men are animals and can’t help themselves when they see a sexy/slutty woman who might have had a few drinks. Are you fucking serious? Would any man out there stand up in front of his mother or sisters and defend that claim? The above comment from a former prison guard compares nudity on a beach to nudity on the subway at 2 AM: Yes, very different scenarios, but tell me, in which situation is it okay to rape the naked PERSON? That is right. It is NEVER OKAY to rape someone. No more okay than it is to assault someone. Whether a woman is hot like Angelina Jolie or fat like Rosie O Donnell, she is a person and has the right to not be assaulted. THAT IS THE MESSAGE THE SLUTWALK MOVEMENT IS TRYING TO GET ACROSS!
My brain just exploded from the level of ignorance and complete + utter stupidity demonstrated throughout this entire article and subsequential comments. Wow. You people make me sad for humanity.
After reading this page, I have a new level of appreciation for my intelligent, informed plethora of male friends and acquaintances who have actually have respect for women.
Great, have them join you at the “I look like a hoah but don’t treat me like one.” Potential mangina boyfriends will abound.
Do the douche-bags you hang out with actually take you seriously?
Rape is a violent act committed by sick individuals. I am a middle-aged mother and I do teach my daughter that a body is a natural and beautiful creation and better to dress sensibly in case there are some sick individuals who do not respect another individuals personal space or rights. Sick individuals do not only rape women, men have been raped too and sadly not many talk about it. Rape is an act of violence and if girls want to dress badly and behave badly, why pay attention to it IGNORE THEM, what is it to you? I really do not think a rapist is a normal male who appreciates a good looking women and that is where it remains.
Yet so many men are accused of being “rapists” whilst women are just accused of being “promiscuous”
Is there a uniform decision on what dressing badly and behaving baldly includes? No. That’s the problem. What you teach your daughter is respectable and good behaviour and dress, someone else will suggest is inappropriate and slutty. Most rapes are committed by someone known (and usually previously trusted) by the victim – that means family members, friends, and acquaintances. Most of the people who commit rape live functional lives including “decency” and “manners”. The problem is often that those perpetrating rape and sexual assault don’t think they’ve done anything wrong because of who they assaulted and the circumstances around it – “She was asking for it”, “I heard she slept with 5 other guys so she clearly doesn’t mind getting fucked”, “He was drunk and didn’t say no”. These are things that people truly think after they’ve committed assault.
Most of the people who attended SlutWalk and who are involved in this initiative wear more clothes than less and act in a way you would probably deem appropriate. I hope if daughter is ever despicably assaulted (because the stats show again and again how common it is) she will find support and not be blamed for what happened to her, regardless of the circumstance.
Your statement: “Rather than women living with personal responsibility and accountability – like adults, we just gotta teach men not to rape women.” is interesting. So … we shouldn’t teach men not to rape women? There’s nothing wrong with a man raping a woman as long as she’s dressed a certain way? Who gets to decide what exactly we should or shouldn’t wear in order not to be raped? Let me flip that statement for you and see if it scans for you? Rather than men living with personal responsibility and accountability – like adults, we just gotta teach women what not to wear. Does that work for you?
Christine – your statement : “There’s nothing wrong with a man raping a woman as long as she’s dressed a certain way?” implies that is the position of anyone arguing for female self responsibility. This is a straw-man argument, and thanks for demonstrating your complete dishonesty by making it. The feminist talking point, that rape is merely an extension of male sexuality is another dishonest piece of horse-shit. Rape is a crime, and sometimes the perpetrators are women, and sometimes the victims are men. It happens to be the lowest-incidenced violent crime tracked by the FBI in their uniform crime statistics. So, if you please, climb down from your factually unsupported high horse of female-victim-supremacy, and your obvious bigotry, and grow up. Also, thanks for stopping by the site.
Hmmmmm……so let me see if I got this right…….
1) Rape can never happen to chicks deemed “not hot”…meaning “rape” is nothing more than appreciatively fucking a hot chick even though she says she doesn’t want it.
2) If a woman’s actions/dress (sexual or not) cause a man to have an erection, she has no choice but to take responsibility for HIS BIOLOGICAL REACTION and allow his penis entry into her vagina whether she wants it or not.
3) A man has a RIGHT to touch a woman in any sexual manner if HE DECIDES/DEEMS her actions/dress to be deserving of it. If she says “No” to HIS actions, he has the right to “punish” her for “misleading him” by actively forcing his penis inter her vagina against her will.
OKAY! Here it is folks, listen up! A woman is a human being who has the right to do what she wants, when she wants within the confines of the law. IF you do not like the fact that she will not be controlled by YOUR THOUGHTS, VIEWS OR OPINIONS then that is YOUR PROBLEM! YOU do not have the RIGHT to do ANYTHING to ANYONE simply because you are ANGRY at the fact that they will not live their lives as YOU see fit.
To the people who think they are “helping” us by saying “be sensible”, tell me this…why don’t we demand that men not touch women without their CONSENT?! To suggest that we should “be sensible” is to suggest that there is something a woman can do which in turn makes it acceptable for a man to force his penis into her vagina against her will.
DON’T tell me that “if I don’t want to be raped, then I should do this, that and the other thing!!!! I have a RIGHT to live my life as I see fit! I will not change my life because some asshole wants to fuck me in order to punish me for not living my life on the defensive!
Okay, I’m baited easily today. I was not coming back onto this thread, but it’s too tempting now.
Do you lock your doors at night?
Do you lock your car in the parking lot of a public place?
If you have children…do you tell them not to talk to strangers?
Do you watch your purse or keep it close to you when shopping?
Do you see a dirty homeless man on the street and assume he is a low-life alcoholic or just a ‘reject’ from society?
Have you ever looked at a man and judged him from his manner of dress?
Do you look both ways before you cross the street?
If you answered ‘yes’ to any of these questions, You are either a normal, precautionary person….or a big judgemental fucking hypocrite.
Either way….
Step down from the pulpit please…..and run along.
Don’t trip in those stilettos.
some of us DO care. I plan to be a part of slutwalk chicago. not because im a child seeking attention, but because of the 11 year old in Texas who, after being raped by a group of men, was blamed because she acted and dressed “too old.” And for all of the other women who were raped and then blamed. NO ONE is ever asking to be raped, nor should they be blamed for being raped- no matter what the circumstances. Slutwalk makes that point and draws attention to the issue. If you don’t like it, don’t join. ignore it. But that doesn’t give anyone the right to point out that participants were ugly. that just makes you sound like a pig. The eyecandy? women don’t deserve to be objectified OR raped. And slutwalk has an important point to make. I’ll stand up for what I believe. no matter how many pigs choose to point out that im unnatractive or have a high voice while I’m doing it.
I am sure your exposed tits, cellulite and attention whoring will wake the whole world up to your plight and you will be taking so seriously. What an intelligent and thoughtful way to raise awareness. Good luck, you ugly, slutty little moron.
And you think talking to be people like this is a thoughtful way to raise awareness to your cause?
Yes, it is working just fine. This site is growing faster than a pervy’s pecker at a slut walk.
Well, if your cause is about hating women rather than being ‘a voice for men’ then yes – you’re doing great.
“But that doesn’t give anyone the right to point out that participants were ugly.”
We do not need to be ‘given’ the right to pass judgement on the participants.
We possess that right whatever YOU think.
Fuck you.
Dee – as it happens, you have it wrong, but your attempt to paint an argument in favor of personal responsibility as if it’s endorsement of rape is noted for the dishonest straw-man argument that it is. Congratulations for bringing nothing new to this discussion.
Because you’re either stupid, or willfully obtuse, ill try to explain it in small words for you.
Men dont rape. Are your screaming at your screen yet? I mean the vast majority of men are not violent criminals, and what stops men from raping is not penalty of law, or that somebody “taught them” to not rape, it’s because most men are not criminals, and have no desire to commit violent assault against the poor-poor-wimminfolk.
Certainly, rape occurs, and in many cases, the perpetrators are men, but the implication of the wildly stupid imperative “teach men not to rape” is that rape is a natural male behaviour or a normal extension of male sexuality. Its not, and continued claims or implications that it is are disgusting bigotry. Sometimes, women are rapists and men are victims. So, as i mentioned to the last kool-aid imbibing robot spouting the absurd claim that an argument for responsible behavior equates to rape apologism – grow up, and stick your anti-male bigotry up your well-padded ass.
Also, thanks for visiting the site and sharing your insights with us.
To all you CHAUVINISTIC PIGs, including the author of this Lame Article!, Go Crawl up Your Mother’s Vaginas & Die!!
Rape is no Joke!, you think this is Funny Or Something¿? I Bet Most of You Lame Posters Author Included, Have Never Even Been With a Woman!, You all Sound Like a Bunch of Insecure Uneducated Kids!!
And I suppose this is the only article here that enticed your attention.
I have not seen you post here before.
Rape is no joke.
Men being put into jail for a rape they did not commit, is no joke.
You posting on this thread only….. pure vaudeville
Go read something else, and stop squawking.
Better yet…go get laid. You seem to think you have ‘one up’ on everyone here… in that department.
Please Shove a Splintered Broom Handle Up My Ass!! Not One of Those Weak Mangina Pukes at the Slutwalk Would Do Me Like I Want and Need.
First warning. No name calling allowed. Especially by dumb cunts like you.
Yes, I AM a Dumb Cunt! And I have the right to be a Dumb Cunt. You can’t call me a Dumb Cunt just because I am a Dumb Cunt!
I have rape fantasies and I have never told anyone.
“You can’t call me a Dumb Cunt just because I am a Dumb Cunt!”
Sure we can but it’s no longer necessary because you are admitting it.
Why Don’t you Come out from Behind the Computer Screen Coward!!, Sure Edit My Replies, Because you Don’t Being Called Out!!
“No name calling allowed unless you’re insulting women/a woman” is what you meant, I think.
In other words, name-calling welcome and expected!
Shit happens. Grow up and deal with it.
Don’t tell me what I mean or I will ban your sorry ass. You want to make points, fine, make them. But this is my yard. Trolls only get to piss in it so long.
haha, this website is a breeding ground of trolls. Seems like you should be shutting it down!
oops, sorry, what I meant was that YOU meant you want to shut it down.
“No name calling allowed. Especially by dumb cunts like you.”
Man, that’s cold. LOL!
Rape isn’t funny, but sluts are stupid.
“Go Crawl up Your Mother’s Vaginas & Die!!Go Crawl up Your Mother’s Vaginas & Die!!”
Remember guys, get permission first!
So a website and forum suggesting to be the “voice of all men” in fighting “misandry” and hatred decides to do this by… perpetuating hateful, abusive and derogatory ideas, using pitiful insults about looks, weight, supposed societal value and misrepresenting and completely misunderstanding what SlutWalk is all about. Interesting. I’ve heard quite a few men that would find your position completely UN-representative of their voice, ludicrous, and downright disrespectful.
It’s not as if fighting against sexual assault, damaging blaming and shaming ideas and better support and understanding for survivors of sexual assault, whether they be women, men, children or any gender expression, is anything but self-serving (complete sarcasm). It’s not as if thousands of people world-wide are finding a supportive space to discuss their despicable rapes and assaults and re-victimizations by police systems, people like you, and other people around them is anything but a childish tactic to get attention because I’m not pretty enough for you (more complete sarcasm).
If your first sentiment out the door around SlutWalk is pointing your misogynist finger at the people who are assaulted saying they need to take some responsibility, I really think that you should examine this in your efforts to fight “hatred” of men and boys. Remember the definition of rape and sexual assault is based on the lack of consent. Maybe acknowledge the fault of, say, the rapist (regardless of their gender) before you jump on a survivor.
Women need to take some responsibility for their own safety, but even stupid sluts don’t deserve to get raped. It’s just not surprising when it happens.
Calling Women Sluts Now Eh?
Well Rapist Need to Take Responsibility for their Action!!.
Don’t Blame the Victims!!
Yeah, fuckin A right! Don’t Blame the Victim! Rapists Need to Take Responsibility for their Action!! A Stitch in Time Saves Nine! A Penny Saved is a Penny Earned! What Goes Around Comes Around! Don’t Buy a Pig in a Poke! Out of Sight, Out of Mind! Absence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder! Three Strikes and You’re Out! Third Times the Charm! There’s No Place Like Home! Monkey See, Monkey Do!
For the love of God, will someone please finish using up all the cliche’s so everyone else can get real!?!?!?!
“Calling Women Sluts Now Eh?”
Note to retard, this event was called ‘Slut Walk’.
‘Slut’ is not your ‘nigger’.
“Remember the definition of rape and sexual assault is based on the lack of consent.”
What have you been smoking?
How do you define rape?
Wiki works for me.
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person’s consent. The act may be carried out by force, under threat, or with a person who is incapable of valid consent.[1][2][3][4] The term is most often defined in criminal law.[
And all over that same Wikipedia entry it uses the word consent.
Right under the “Consent” subtitle is this: In any allegation of rape, the absence of consent to sexual intercourse on the part of the victim is critical.
So yeah, rape is based on lack of consent. This is a pretty common definition, I don’t know what makes you think “Heat” was smoking anything.
And of course, no one here ever argued that rape was not defined, at least in part, by lack of consent. So what is your point.
I swear, it seems simple enough looking at the slutwalk pics to figure out we are dealing with some really stupid people. But Jesus H, talking to you fuck-knuckles really drives it in.
So when you quoted that part of Heat’s post and asked them “What are you smoking”, what were you getting at, if not accusing them of having just said something ridiculous?
Here is your problem, fuckwit. Try to move your tiny little brain past a couple of issues. EVERYONE, even you slutwalk morons, agree that rape is defined by lack of consent.
Everyone agrees that slutty clothing is not consent, and consequently not a reason to force sex.
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Everyone agrees that the rapist is wrong for raping anyone.
SO GET OVER IT.
Here on out, any of you turd-for-brains repeat this moronic “lack of consent means rape” broken record, I am just going to ban your IP.
The point of the article, and all the articles here on this subject is whether women should be held to account for their decisions, and whether those decision might put them at increased risk for rape.
Pass this around to your low functioning ilk, because if you can’t stick with a topic fairly, you have no reason to have a voice on this site.
Haha, what are you so mad about?
And why won’t you answer my question about why you asked Heat if they were smoking something for stating a commonly accepted view?
There is really nothing to be argued here. Studies have shown time and time again that there is zero correlation between attire or dress and sexual assault, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously misinformed. There is no debate on this, it has been proven! I’ve even got a great reference for those who are interested, a textbook called “Our Sexuality” Crooks & Baur (2010).
I don’t care if there is a correlation or not. Any rape advocacy that does not degender the victims and perpetrators is bullshit sexism.
“a textbook called “Our Sexuality””
My, that sounds incredibly impartial! I’m sure glad we have folks like you to tell us that the debates we want to have are already over.
Reading the comment section to this post has left me discouraged and, frankly, livid. A few questions for the group: Do you know anyone who has been raped? Have you ever had a conversation with anyone who has been raped? Do you understand the degree of misogyny that is displayed in the above comments?
Whether or not you agree with SlutWalk’s use of public display is inconsequential. It is important to separate SlutWalk from the severity of sexual abuse that most women endure on a daily basis. I’m not saying that women should be given a pass on being personally responsible; I’m saying that education should be provided to all sides. All members of the gender spectrum should not only have a voice in the conversation, but their individual stories and perspectives should be respected.
I hope that the anonymity allowed in online dialogue has only brought out the minority, extremist viewpoints. If not, I hope that through reflection you realize the oppressive beliefs displayed above aren’t benefiting anyone. This is not just a Woman’s issue; It’s a Human Rights issue.
Yes I know people who have been raped. I counseled men out of prison and heard the stories from the few who would admit it, and talked around the subject with those that couldn’t admit it.
Almost all couldn’t.
Men are raped more often than women. Educate yourself, and maybe when you do you might be inclined to lose that stupid handle, “manly man.”
What a transparent load of groveling crap that is.
By the way, my name is Paul Elam. It is my real name. This is my website. And don’t you dare say one fucking word to me about human rights when you are participating in violating them with this disgraceful and ignorant display of so called advocacy.
You swear and insult a lot for a guy who wants to be taken seriously
LOL! You’re group is dressing like skanks and parading around with their stretch marked, cellulite ridden midriffs and tits exposed as a way to practice advocacy and you are here lecturiing me on being taken seriously?
The wheels fell off the dumbcunt wagon today, for sure.
What the Fuck do You Have Against Women??.
Should we Blame the Victims Who got Rapped In Jail??, is it there Fault they Got Rapped by Their Cell Mate or a Guard??..
People “Don’t” get Rapped Because of The Clothes They Wear!!
You Roll Off as a CHAUVINISTIC WOMAN HAIT JACKK ASS PIG!!!!!….
Have you been Rejected By Everywoman You Met??
I got rapped once. I was just walking through an urban neighborhood when this black guy rolled up, rolled down his window and laid his flows down right then and there. Left me feeling pretty violated, I can tell you.
Is Paul Elam really your actual name? How accurate – a backwards male…
The Toronto cop’s slut comment came off the heels of an incident in Winnipeg where a judge awarded the rapist no jail time because the victim was wearing a tube top, jeans, heels and make-up. So, if dressing like a slut does increase the risk of being raped it is only because police and courts will look the other way or take the side of the rapist.
Actually, it is not only a misogynist attitude which blames the victim for the crime rather than the perpetrator but the widespread belief on the part of some idiots that rape isn’t really a true crime and the victims either deserved it or wanted it. The hockey players that Graham James sexually assaulted repeatedly, was it because James thought that hockey jerseys made his players look slutty? Or was it because he knew that he could get away with it – which he could convince his victims that either no one would believe them or that they would be blamed for what happened to them? This “blame the victim” attitude is the reason why rapists can go on raping with relative impunity – and that is what they want (what they get off on) is the power of being able to get away with it.
And what about the highway of tears! When the mothers, brothers and sisters of the missing women reported their relative missing, the police did not take them seriously – that a few missing women were no big deal to them. When a woman reported to police what she saw at Picton’s farm, they dismissed it as the word of a slut on drugs – and he went on to create more and more victims. Why? Because of the belief among some cops and some judges (not all of them) that this was not something worth looking into.
The Emperor’s New Clothes is about rapist apologists – those who consider rape no big deal – who ridicule slutwalks because it makes them uncomfortable because they fear that they may be one of the people that the organizers of slutwalk are calling upon to act more responsibly and to not see consent as something optional. Maybe they fear that some of the things they have done in the past might be construed as rape by those participating in the slutwalk – and second guessing themselves as to whether they had full complete consent each and every time might be disconcerting. Second guessing oneself and one’s past actions can be painful – so lets slut shame the messenger – the person whose consent may or may not have been fully obtained. I think that is what this is about – quieting the inner uncertainty that the slutwalks have awakened.
Roland, if a rapist “can’t make wood” like you say, there is always the broken beer bottle. And rapists rape everyone – young and old, big or small, pretty or ugly – it is about power, hate and entitlement – that is what puts the wood on a rapist.
BTW – who is your patron saint – Robert Picton or Marc Lepine!
David, you make a good point! Nergal, it is a rapist’s responsibility not to rape – period. It was not your fault or what you were wearing or where you were or what you said – it was her fault completely. If you see the person who did this to you at a slutwalk, tell somebody because she is not welcome.
“The Toronto cop’s slut comment came off the heels of an incident in Winnipeg where a judge awarded the rapist no jail time because the victim was wearing a tube top, jeans, heels and make-up. So, if dressing like a slut does increase the risk of being raped it is only because police and courts will look the other way or take the side of the rapist.”
Interesting because the way I remember that case is that their was ZERO evidence against the accused and it was another “he said she said” rape case. NO evidence = No Jail time. Innocent until proven guilty right? feminists and Capt Save a Hoes im sure disagree though
Ryan, you’ve just posted the comment “There is no debate on this, it has been proven” on a website whose contributors strongly disagree with you.
Again: “no debate” on a site your comments take an oppositional view.
You cite a university textbook – while articles on this site have routinely criticized universities for promoting a strongly feminist ideology in the social sciences. Can you spot the irony yourself?
Are you capable of critical thinking, or do you merely recite what you’ve been told.
That’s quite a logical fallacy considering you’re opinions evidently mirror the same sexist, uneducated, unevidenced tone as the creater of this website, are YOU capable of critical thinking? The same question could be asked of you.
It could just as easily be argued that universities are patriarchal organizations that promote a strongly anti-feminist ideology through the unequal representation of women in STEM fields, unequal distribution of rewards, and high paying jobs for women.
The articles on this site have absolutely no academic evidence/justification meaning they are completely 100% opinion which is NOT academic at all! They are bias and express the unsubstatiated and hateful opinions of a very small minority of “men”.
I don’t see you making any academic references. Hmm. Perhaps that is because there is absolutely nothing academic about the sickening opinions posted on this website.
Please, if you are going to comment and deconstruct anything I say, at least make an attempt to provide a) evidence b) some sort of skeleton of a basic argument that doesn’t include illogically attacking others, or attacking cited, credible, academic sources.
“It could just as easily be argued that universities are patriarchal organizations that promote a strongly anti-feminist ideology”
LOL
“They are bias and express the unsubstatiated and hateful opinions of a very small minority of “men”.”
lol @ inverted commas
Is the implication that we are not ‘real men’?
My, what a PATRIARCHAL thing to say!
Tell me, Ryan, do you think that sucking up to wimminz is a requisite for being a REAL MAN?
Oh my goodness, I was completely shocked by the ignorance of this article and the comments left on it.
Rape isn’t about sex, it’s about power. That’s why rape is so prevalent in conflict (for example the thousand upon thousands of rapes that occur in Congo). It’s not that women in conflict situations are dressed in what you may deem a ‘provocative’ way. Women are NEVER responsible for being raped. For a website that claims to be suporting men’s rights you seem to have an awfully low opinion of yourselves; you seem to think that men simply can’t control themselves around the sight of flesh.
All these analogies between women and banks/houses/cars are worthless. Do you really think you can compare women to inanimate objects? Locking your house doesn’t remove it’s choice to be unlocked, it doesn’t have any desire to be unlocked – it’s just locking a house! When women are told to dress a certain way you are removing their choice and freedom to express themselves.
I’m surprised that some of you seem to think that there are more rapes reported than there are in reality. Because of the blame-culture so many of you seem such big fans of many women and men don’t report rape because they feel ashamed or fear that they will be blamed. SlutWalk is about trying to change that.
I’m sure the two pictures women that there have been so many stupid comments about don’t care in the slightest what a bunch of misognistic idiots think about them. All the comments on here insulting how you think feminists look only serves to demonstrate that you’re really running out of arguments.
My post went right over your fucking head.
See it?
It’s still flying by you.
And how would that be? Care to explain?
Precisely
Precisely what? You and Paul just saying that things are going over my head doesn’t make it true. It just appears to me that you’ve realised you don’t have a leg to stand on in this argument.
I also find it quite interesting that people have ‘thumbs downed’ me for asking you to explain yourself. Pretty outrageous of me, I know… I’m sure you’d prefer it if women just kept their mouth shut and didn’t ask any questions, eh?
Then ask some specific questions and be prepared to deal with the answer instead of just asking a different question.
No one is avoiding anything here.
And try to stay relevant to the subject. One, if you make a blanket statement like “rape isn’t about sex,” then be prepared to support it without going to the Congo.
Are the slutwalks because of rapes in the Congo or because a police official had the audacity to infer that women should be accountable for their choices?
Slutwalks are about challenging victim-blaming and the idea that rape is permissible if someone dressed or acting in a certain way. It’s about women being able to wear what they want and not worry that one day it will be held against them. It’s about challenging an all too common attitude that was demonstrated poignantly by that police person. I was merely using the example of the horrendous rapes in the Congo to illustrate that there isn’t a link between the way women dress and rape (which many people on this thread have suggested there is). The 200,000 women who have been raped in the Congo since 1998 weren’t dressing provocatively (not that it would matter if they did, or ever excuse rape).
Neither were the 250,000- 500,000 women (depending on your source) Rwandan women raped in the genocide.
Or the 50,000 (at least) Sierra Leonean women who have been victims of sexual violence.
In Bosnia and Herzegovina, estimates range from 20,000 to 50,000, and a similar number of Kosovar Albanian women were raped at the height of the conflict with Serbia.
SlutWalk isn’t directly about these rapes but they help to challenge the misconception that rape is about scantily clad women.
Now I know you’re immediately going to think, ‘What about the men in these conflicts!?’ But by addressing women’s issues it does not immediately mean you are denouncing anything that relates to men. I also realise that thousands of men died, and continue to die, in these awful conflicts. As did women. There seems to be a problem on this website that a lot of you think you can only care about men or women, you have to pick a side, whilst I advocate equality.
Meh, stop wasting your time and giving this guy free page views. He’s never going to provide any credible proof of anything he says, and will only bother insulting anyone who asks him something as basic as backing up his claims.
Given how he said below he’s not interested in fighting misandry so much as merely pointing it out, imho this website only exists for him to spew anger and misandry is a good thing for him to use as an excuse.
You’re very right. I’ve wasted far too much of my time trying to debate with such ignorance. I was just so angered by what I read here I felt compelled to say something. But I’ve said my piece and Paul, Izzey and the like have only underlined their stupidity.
In the Congo, women are raped for voting for the “wrong” political party and their fathers, husbands and sons are forced to watch.
It seems that the Egyptian Army figures that protesting is “immodest behaviour” so women protesting during women’s day were rounded up, strip searched with the window and door of the room open and people taking pictures, and then subjected to a virginity test and, if they failed, they were accused of prostitution:
Imans_ @YosriFouda please think of these girls who went through the #EgyArmy virginity tests – you must talk to them about it #Egypt #tahrir
3awadalla Ahmed Awadalla by monaeltahawy
So those who reveal corruption get detained & those who torture protesters & test women virginity are free? New Egypt?!
Remember Iman AlObeidy who broke into a room of reporters in Libya saying that she had been gang raped?
“They say a symbolic betrothal ceremony was held by her tribe. That tribe broke with the past forever by declaring that her honor was intact. This means that women the world over will no longer be hostage to a perverse ideology that says their honor and purity are dependent on events outside their control. This marks the beginning of the end of the use of rape as a weapon of war when men stand up and declare that the soul and honor of a violated woman is intact and that the onus and spiritual burden (for which there will be Divine and promised retribution) rests squarely on the shoulders of the true violators.”
Sarurah @monaeltahawy Superb #poem: “Chastity is a Condition of the Soul” http://t.co/dmL8BQI Tribute to #EmanAlObeidy, #woman #hero /v @RheaHarmsen
“In the Congo, women are raped for voting for the “wrong” political party and their fathers, husbands and sons are forced to watch.”
In the Congo and other places, men are killed for being male. Boys are conscripted to fight in militias and armies, stolen from their families, often turned against their parents.
Until you get the big picture here, fuck off and die, and take the rest of the misandric sluts with you.
I wish real harm on no one, but until the world wakes up to what is happening to men and boys, and starts treating it like it is a real problem, then I will read your little plugs about what happens to women and girls, and do the same thing you do with men.
Yawn, and move the fuck on.
There is nothing happening to women and girls that I would lift a finger to stop.
I don’t understand why this has to be an either/or situation. Its not that I don’t think terrible things happen to men too, I just think that rape and victim-blaming is a big issue and one I’ve chosen to dedicate some of my time too. Everyone can’t get involved in every cause, which is why it’s great that people get involved in lots of different causes. You may personally think another issue is more worthy of your time and resources and not be so aggressive and hurtful to those who do chose that particular issue.
I’m really shocked that you say ‘There is nothing happening to women and girls that I would lift a finger to stop.’ Do you not know any women or girls? Would you gladly watch their rape?
And while this is a bit off topic it’s also worth noting that acccording to Tufts University researcher Dyan Mazurana, over the last decade, girls have fought in at least 54 countries. Examples include the DRC, Liberia, Mozambique, Sierra Leone and Uganda.
You don’t see a lot of things. Every point made to you so far flies over your head. It is not worth the work.
Needless to say the whole culture obsess on protecting women and ignoring men.
Looks like you backed the popular horse.
Okay, seeing as I’m obviously not getting it spell it out to me, Paul. Got any statistics? Evidence? Unfortunately, unlike a lot of people on this website I don’t just take whatever you say as gospel. As I said to Izzey, simply saying a point goes over my head doesn’t make it true or indeed right. In fact it just makes whatever point you think you have look incredibly weak and unsubstantiated. Why don’t you just explain it to me?
Like I said in my above post I think everyone should be able to get involved in whatever cause they want to so long as it’s not inciting hatred (which I think a lot of this website does). I’m not saying at all that men don’t suffer and I don’t limit myself to just women’s causes either. Why does it bother you so much that women want to say that rape is never okay?
I believe in equality of the sexes, I don’t think women are better than men but I do believe that throughout history women have been repressed and repression still exists today. I recognise fully that it’s not the only form of repression in the world that exists but it’s one that I, conrast to you, think is worthy and doesn’t get nearly enough attention.
I’m also interested in seeing his statistics and where he studied that caused him to come to such bizarre and inaccurate conclusions.
From what I’ve read here and on other parts of the website, it seems most of his information is merely anecdotal evidence.
If you want stats, you might want to specify which ones you want.
We got stats here that will make anyone honest either shut up or change their mind.
So name your poison.
Any of them would be nice, but preferably academic and credible sources.
So far you’ve yet to provide any proof other than what you have personally seen, and you’ll have to excuse us for not taking what you perceive and say as the Word of God.
Be specific. Do you know what that word means?
Given how laughably obvious it is that you can’t come up with anything by yourself, I am not going to name your sources for you.
Do YOU know what “credible sources” means? Anyone who has been through at least junior college should.
No, Paul, she just wants ‘stats’. ‘Any will do’.
I just wondered where you got your opinion that our culture obsesses over protecting women and not men. And why you think that everywhere in the world men have got it worse than women (as you say in your post below). You say these outlandish statements without backing them up.
I thought you were going away.
Since when did this become an issue about religious modesty in Congo, Egypt and Libya? Those women aren’t a bunch of stupid sluts and even stupid western sluts don’t deserve to be raped, but they’re still stupid.
I think we could coin “In the Congo,” and bring it in to the lexicon. It’s the same old avoident shite you get from fembots. They have nothing to complain about in their real lives, so they go pull up some feminist research on Fembullistan and start complaining about what is happening to someone else.
Their problem is that no matter where they go, men have it worse, just like here.
Theo Fleury says (on his facebook page): Funny how this works I make a prediction and get thousands of posts. I post stuff on abuse and silence from the masses. Wow interesting.
Comments:
“I think people just don’t know how to respond, not out of ignorance or apathy. Or prejudice. I know I appreciate having a voice like yours “out there” speaking for those who cannot. So don’t get discouraged, keep speaking out.”
“Took me years to tell my closest friends, family members and others whom I trust alike….now, I’m not afraid to talk about it all because I feel that people like us can make a difference and help end this devestating behavior once and for all.”
“well abuse is like a scab, and underneath it, it festers….break open that scab and pus pours out and it hurts pretty damn bad. I know this for sure. Talking about it is important, but alot of people aren’t comfortable or trust enough to t…alk about it. Or are ashamed or feel guilt. Glad I found my inner strength and glad you finally found yours, but remember, it’s a touchy subject that most people are not comfortable with.”
“My grade 3 school teacher had me lined up for some molesting disguised as detention. Fortunately a class-mate gave me a tip to climb to the top of the shelves in the storage room, hide and stay silent – he didn’t keep me late again and I ne…ver said anything. The following year someone did tell that he’d been molested – a total of 4 spoke up about the abuse. They fired him and swept it under the rug (2nd school he did this at) He got a job teaching piano lessons and years later my brother went to rent that mall space and found that the abusers former classroom had a hidden door and a loft with a mattress above it. The police came and took pictures and video, yet all these years he has never been charged because none of the victims has come forward to charge him. Most recently my uncle mentioned to my Dad about this new talented piano player in charge of the youth choir at the church he attends – same guy, they fired him before any sexual abuse started.”
DOA – I See Your Cross / Sudden Death Records
An ugly story of child abuse at the hands of the church.
Hi, I’m a female, I would like to start out by saying that I am not a feminist.
I do not support SlutWalk for its feminist ideals, but rather for its stance against victim blaming.
While I think you raise an excellent point that getting so drunk that you pass out in an alleyway with strangers is stupid, the victim still shouldn’t be blamed for the crime. Stupidity and lack of common sense? Sure. But still.
However the reason I support SlutWalk is more specific. Recently, near my home, an 11 year-old-girl was gang-raped. In court, the defense’s lawyer brought up the fact that she “was wearing plenty of makeup” and “often wore high heels” to try to excuse his client. Now this is where misogyny and misandry meet. It is repulsive and stupid to say that if a woman wears certain things, men will be overcome with so much lust that they rape that woman. It is wrongfully accusing both sexes. I think the implications that men cannot control themselves to the point of rape is just as bad as than the implication that women who wear makeup and high heels are intrinsically asking for it. It’s insulting to everyone.
As to worthier causes, it works both ways. I think rescuing children from enslavement is a more worthy cause than fighting misandry. However, I do still believe that your cause is a good one. Just because there are better ones doesn’t make yours bad. Same goes for SlutWalk, in my book.
Despite a lot of rude and uninformed comments on this particular article, I rather like this site.
Greetings from someone who opposes both misogyny and misandry.
Awesome article. Just thought you guys should know that the SlutWalk Toronto facebook page has put a link to here and encourage all the feminazi’s to come “share their opinion” on how ignorant we are. I suggest we do the same to them.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/SlutWalkToronto
I thought of starting a Slut Walk for male victims of rape in New Zealand. However, no boy or man has ever been raped in this country. Women who sexually assault boys or men in New Zealand can only ever be charged with assault! There are no laws forbidding male rape in this country.
Fat, ugly whores with facial hair have more legal protection from being raped than sweet, innocent boys in New Zealand. Some people don’t realise just how fortunate they are.
“To anyone drinking this feminist Kool-Aid: Fuck, you’re an idiot. Yeah, bitch, you do have to take personal responsibility. You can do whatever the fuck you please, but don’t expect the rest of us to coddle you. If you wanna get drunk and stoned and pass out in the middle of the street half-naked, don’t cry when something bad happens to you. And don’t expect us to pretend that you didn’t bring it on yourself.”
I’m a middle aged overweight male. If I pass out half naked in the street I may get robbed, but I doubt I’ll get raped. How is it coddling someone by choosing to not stick your dick in her and instead calling for help or rendering assistance yourself. Either of which might just get you legitimately laid. The logic of the statement I quote from the article is flawed. Bad people will always do bad things, and people should be aware of their situations and take care of themselves. But failing to do so doesn’t make it their fault if they’re attacked. If I hang a steak around my neck and walk into the lion enclosure at the zoo, it’s my fault if I get attacked. If my daughter has one too many beers and has to sit down on a park bench at the University a few minutes to clear her head she should fear those that think like lions. But if she’s attacked it’s the attacker to blame for failing to think like a human.
@heat. Yes, I am referring to the comment about girls getting drunk, passing out in an alley somewhere and behaving in a manner that leaves little for the imagination as one of the males commented. No woman deserves to be raped because of the way she dresses and rapists need no encouragement at all…they are sick individuals as I have stated before but there is a difference between a beautiful naked body and one that deliberately sells sex and hell take a look at all the explicit dancing and behaviour and sex is no longer sacred, and no that still does not justify rape and if women want to behave in any manner they like it is their choice. I would like for my daughter to have a balanced attitude towards female sexuality and you can be rest assured that my daughter will always have support from her mother and two loving brothers who by the way, are not chauvinistic, with a healthy respect for women. I do cringe at times when faced with not a naked body or revealing dress code, but by explicit behaviour that does nothing for the female, but purely advertising sex. Why not have some balanced approach about this? In my country babies under a year old have been victims of rape and that definitely has nothing to do with dress, behaviour etc. and lesbians are raped to “correct” their sexuality (this is real sadness.) Women are special and the power of their sexuality is sacred and beautiful why not treat it as such?
“Women are special and the power of their sexuality is sacred and beautiful why not treat it as such?”
What an absolutely sexist, elitist statement.
Newsflash, cupcake. It’s just a vagina.
I suggest you quit thinking with yours.
What about women who don’t have a vagina? Like transgendered women?
What about them?
You said “it’s just a vagina” but that person was talking about women, not vaginas. Transgendered women, whether or not they have penises, are also affected by misogyny, and their sexuality is no less special but negatively affected than cis women’s sexuality (moreso, if anything, due to discrimination against trans people)
I’m actually curious. What do you think of transgendered men, men who were assigned the female gender at birth but identify as male?
Actually, she was talking about women’s sexual power being sacred. That implies a vagina in some way. I am hoping you don’t need that explained.
Your question about trans people is too general. What do I think about transgendered men? I don’t. Why should I think about them monolithically at all?
No, that doesn’t, because you don’t *need* a vagina to be a woman. To argue otherwise is cissexist and transphobic. We are talking about gender identity here, not physical sex.
You think monolithically about women and men, so I’m sure you think monolithically about other things as well.
Oh no not CIS SEXISM!!!!!
Your lame PC shaming tactics don’t work here, fucktard. We don’t need to add a disclaimer every time we talk about men and women so that everyone knows we don’t mean the women with dicks when we mention vaginas.
You’re mentally ill. Do you know that?
For the record, I don’t believe in ‘gender’. I use the word sex. Semantic hygiene is so very important. Don’t you think so?
You may have decided that YOU are talking about ‘gender identity’.
This being a belief I do not subscribe to, you cannot tell ME what I am talking about.
I don’t know what Paul’s view on ‘gender’ is, but again, you cannot tell Paul what HE was talking about. It seems to be that he was talking about ‘physical sex’, i.e. sex.
Nope, I’m completely neurotypical.
You “not subscribing to a belief”, thankfully, is not the qualifier for whether or not it is actually real. If that was something I were concerned about for random imbeciles on the internet any time someone disagreed with me, then evolution really WOULD be a lie and the Earth really WOULD be 10k years old and etc.
Also, hi Paul’s sock.
“you don’t *need* a vagina to be a woman.”
You are living in a silly fantasy world.
no, I live in a world where transgendered/transsexual people are accepted and gender is not defined by physical sex.
In other words, I LIVE IN THE FUTURE!!!`11
Fuck you. You are not going to pathologize me here as phobic if I regard sex as something genetic you were born with, which it is.
I have no issue with anyone choosing to identify as a man or a woman, but I reserve to right, the intelligence actually, to see someone with male chromosomes and male genitalia as male.
I have brown hair. It isn’t turning blond on my say so.
I’d really prefer to not fuck you, but thanks for the offer.
You just said something openly transphobic, so fera not. I’m not accusing you of being transphobic. You ARE transphobic.
Protip.
This: “You ARE transphobic”
Is an accusation.
Not that anyone reasonable gives a fuck about your ridiculous PC speech codes.
it’s not an accusation, it’s a statement of fact. Silly Paul <3
This is how femmorhoids shut down debate.
They see their opponents’ reasonable counterpoints.
And then they scream ‘hate!!!’
Placing the opponent on the defensive, redefining dissent from feminist orthodoxy as unacceptable speech.
It’s the same principle used by tyrannical dictators around the world. Ot would get along well with Kim Jong-Il.
If you honestly think I am Paul – i.e. you find it so unbelievable that more than one guy would be saying these things – you are going to be in for a rude awakening at some point.
There are A LOT of us out there.
Sick of this shit. And speaking up about it.
And I’m sick of men like YOU making the rest of us look bad. It’s okay, I’ll continue speaking up against your (thankfully) minority as long as it takes.
Ot is one of these weirdos that thinks there can be penis-bearing women and vagina-bearing men. I know. It’s sad and hilarious.
I paraphrase the grand master, zed.
If I cut off my legs and have two wooden legs attached instead … could I call myself a chair?
Apparently Ot thinks this is Feministing.
Never actually been on that website before. But from what I heard, discourse on that site is quite a bit better, so you just paid Paul a huge compliment!
Wow good one dude you totally turned that around and showed me
*flexes muscles* I sure did.
Please punch my face. Slap me and beat me and rape me anally, orally and vaginally with a splintered mop handle. Make me call you Daddy while you violate every hole in my shopworn, slutty body.
Then piss on me and laugh as I lay mewling in pain.
PLEASE
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You come here advocating violence against the readers of this site, this is how you get treated every time.
You crossed a line, bitch. Now all bets are off.
Interesting how you delete any challenges, but leave the comment the obvious Angie impersonator posted asking to be beaten.
INTERESTING
Interesting how you lie. There are challenges posted all over this thread.
When you start making violent comments, you go.
Or if you won’t stop lying.
HAHAH well you DIDN’T delete the imposter comment, since it’s right there, so i’m not lying about that…
so you really think that the “Angie” who posted right above the comment you deleted, despite saying something unlike anything she’s said so far and typing in a completely different style, is really her?
Wow this site seams to breed hate for women…
Wow, this site seems to promote equality by expecting equal personal responsibility from women and men. It also attracts vague comments from dumb trolls.
it doesn’t breed equality at all. All it does is exist as a platform for the owner to spew shameless, open misogyny under the guise of “anti-misandry.”
If he’s trying to get people to hate men less, boy is his method ever flawed. Sheesh.
Misandry has been a constant in society throughout the ages. It isn’t going to change no matter what I do. So the point is not to try to get people to quit hating men. The point is to get men to start seeing the hate for what it is and live in a manner of self protection. (Dear God, I know that accountability keeps creeping into the discussion, doesn’t it?)
So your “If” is a non-starter, mainly because you have no real understanding of the issues.
But as far as what my goals really are, I am quite happy with the continued growth and support of this website by the very profound thinkers it attracts.
So enjoy your sound bite driven, blue pill world, Ot. I never thought we could save everyone.
oh my god you are the most delusional person in the world.
i don’t think you should be counseling people until you see one yourself.
If you truly believe that misandry is a serious societal problem you would not be using it as an excuse to express rage you have towards women. You aren’t helping the problem; if anything, you are making it worse for other (and more reasonable) men by provoking anger towards the male gender. Instead, why not work to end it? You can’t do a whole lot, no, but every little bit helps.
What rage against women? Point it out or STFU. Like I said, I am fulfilling my mission here nicely. Just because it is a mission you don’t agree with, or ever understand, makes no difference to me. So spare me the Pollyanna pep talk. You are wasting your time.
Your rage against women is visible all over the site and in your comments. You frequently insult women by calling them sexist insults like cunt, whore, skank and slut (and unlike the Slutwalk, which is also about empowerment, you use the word “slut” in a very obviously negative way).
This WAS a waste of time – arguing with grown adults like yourself who act like children typically is – but I needed something to kill time with between classes.
LOL, a college chick, I never would have guessed.
Real life is going to be a shock for you, princess.
I’m not female.
Haven’t you heard? You don’t need a vagina to be female. LOL!
I am sure you qualify as an honorary female. Go sistas!
Some women are cunts, whores, skanks and sluts.
Is the latest PC rule that these words may only be used in positive ways? LOL
Anyway, in answer to your comment above, I don’t identify as female or have an XX body. I’m a guy
I define you as an honorary female.
I mean hell, if we can all ‘identify’ ourselves as whatever the hell we like …
Why can’t we ‘identify’ other people, too?
Yeah, you know what, you’re right. I’ve already identified you as Paul’s sock, so there’s no need for me to respond to both his commenting names. c u l8r
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender
What’s that you say? 98-99% of all rapes, to both genders, are committed by men?
How curious.
DON’T FALL FOR WHAT STUDIES AND STATISTICS AND YEARS OF RESEARCH TELL YOU THEY ARE ALL SLAVES TO THE FEMINIST ESTABLISHMENT
PAUL KNOWS THE REAL DEAL!!!!!1
LOL we’re Quoting Wikipedia now?
Wow, you guys are scholars
I’d have expected you to pull out one of those bogus biased studies done with a predetermined conclusion by people with an agenda
This is one of the most ridiculous websites I have ever seen. Including the Westboro Baptist Church websites.
Either the guy who runs this site is a sad sack with even sadder fans or a brilliant troll with at least a dozen socks. HAHAHA oh man.
Or he just refuses to drink your feminazi kool-aid.
Paul, how do you define rape?
NVM, he answered this above.
These feminazi’s silence any opposition to their position, but then want to come here and demand their voices be heard. F that. I’m tired of this double-standard bullshit. They have no decency whatsoever, and will take a woman’s side no matter how preposterous it is.
One irate feminist complained about my suggestion that a more useful protest should focus on real issues: like women disappearing on the “Highway of Tears,”. Her rebuke pointed out that missing aboriginal women were talked about during the event.
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so why aren’t you spearheading this initiative? if it is indeed that important an issue to you?
Look at this from a global context. All over the Middle East, people are rioting and protesting. In Tunisia, some guy had his fruit stand confiscated, then he burned himself, and set the entire Middle East a blazin’. It spread like a wildfire. People over there are rioting over the most basic rights, such as access to food, or the right to elect leaders. Food has shot up in price thanks to bankster speculation. I shit you not – this story was fringe thinking a few months ago, now it’s on the front page of Foreign Policy : http://goo.gl/20KCm My point is that there is a broader context to consider – the social fabric of the world is a tinder box right now, and all it takes is one little spark to ignite a revolution. If all we can manage over here in the West is a bunch of women dressing like hookers and beggin to be respected – so be it. But you should get out there protesting alongside them, because the banks and your governments are DP’ing your sleepwalking asses as you fester in front of your vidiot boxes or vent off your steam in the comments section of blogs like this. The truth is this: YOU ARE ALL BEING RAPED. Your country is being pillaged and your currency is getting fucked by the long dick of debt. There is a full-fledged economic war happening in the gold and silver markets, and you don’t know about it. Cyber warfare is infiltrating your critical infrastructure, and World War 3 could start any day. You have far bigger things to worry about. And yet you sit here and bitch about the incongruities of the female brain, which is an enigma wrapped in a riddle, encased in a rhyme and stuffed so far up Aphrodite’s c*nt that you’d become the next King of England if you ever managed to pull it out. Women don’t make sense. Get over it, Kill your fucking TV and unplug your computer, and get out there and join them.
Protesting with a bunch of idiotic women and men who wish they were women isn’t going to change the debt situation, Jericho. It’s only gong to give more creedance to their stupidity.
What about women who don’t dress in a way that says “they are asking for it”? Not every woman who is raped dresses or acts in a way that provokes men to rape. Rape has little to do with looks and clothing, and that’s the point of this whole thing.
This protest is for every woman, not just for the right of women do dress and act however they want without consequence.
This protest makes as little a difference as the Iraq war protests, and for the same reason. The perpetrators of what you’re “fighting” against don’t give a shit, and will never give a shit.
The author of this article thinks america shouldnt be a safe place.
Stupid, totally unsupported comment. But I approved it because I generally think this should be a safe place to EXPRESS YOUR FUCKING OPINION.
I don’t know what the big problem is.
I LOVE SLUTS. They provide a valuable commodity to men everywhere. Imagine if all women were the type you’d marry and keep around. They what would you do when you travel around and want to have some fun with the guys? Trade wives. Come on now! And the best part is, they’re free. Prostitutes charge money but sluts give out their services for no charge. Gotta love them.
btw, I saw the protest in Toronto. The level of intelligence of the protesters was laughable or pitiful depending on how you look at it. A whole bunch of dumb bimbo’s with nothing intelligent to say wanting to be labelled as smart girls with plenty of offer when they are far from it.
It’s understandable that these women do not want to feel blamed for a slut getting raped. But if they think that protesting is going to change the fact that if they do dress like sluts in roam in a bad area at night, the odds of something bad happening to them is not higher, then they just want attention and to be lied to.
What’s next? A protest targeting doctors for stating the high risk of HPV and consequently cervical cancer in promiscuous women?
What about women who get raped whilst dressed conservatively and try and take a stand against men perpetrating acts of sexual violence upon them unprovoked? And then get called sluts after that? I am neutral on the topic of slutwalks but I don’t agree that it is completely based on how a woman is dressed if she gets raped. Also, yes, I do realise that men get raped too. However, it doesn’t get reported as much like it should. All acts of sexual violence should be reported regardless of gender. Do you all believe that just because someone is in a relationship with someone else that gives one person the right to demand sex of their partner even if their partner doesn’t want it? How about I give you a scenario:
Boyfriend and girlfriend at a house party. It is a going away party held for the boyfriend who is a marine. Girlfriend is the designated driver for a few of their mutual friends but has just come off a long shift. Asks host of party if there is a room she can get an hour of sleep so that she will be able to drive people home later in the night and not crash her own car. Host lets her sleep in their room and she does so with the door closed. Falls asleep in BDU pants(for those unfamiliar with the term it is the Camouflage pants military persons wear when not in full dress uniform) and a tshirt in which the collar of the shirt is at her neck and the shirt is very conservative, dark coloured, and not tight/form fitting. Only article of clothing she takes off is her converse and her glasses. Boyfriend gets drunk decides he wants sex and she wakes up with him trying to put his penis in her vagina. She struggles, tells him no, tries to fight to get him off her but due to him being stronger and having leverage on her can’t get out from under him. He eventually succeeds in forcing sex on her whilst she is still struggling and screaming for help. He is stopped by his friends pulling him off of her. Still her fault that she was raped? The point to that is not every woman who is raped is asking for it. And I *THINK* that may be something that the slutwalks might be trying to convey. Sexual violence can happen to anyone. Regardless of age, gender, and provocation. Awareness for that does need to be raised. However we also need a more balanced society where we have equality for all. One gender should not get special privileges over the other.
She CHOSE him as a “boyfriend” in the first place.
There HAD to be warning signs that she IGNORED for whatever reason(s).
And if there weren’t any? And everyone INCLUDING HIS friends were completely shocked by the fact it happened and he was capable of it?