A university study, Romeo, Felicia F. “Acquaintance Rape on College and University Campuses,” AAETS. Web. 22 Nov. 2010.” The study of female rape victims concluded that the majority – 57% – of women who were raped on college campuses, reported feelings that were described as “positive” and “satisfied,” about the experience.
The study reflected survey results of 1,700 victims of rape that was perpetrated by a male acquaintance in a social environment, also known as “date” rape.
A meta analytic review of related studies pointed to the validity of the Romeo study. Hoskins and Fisk, 2010.
Perhaps surprising in the survey results was the fact that nearly 38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so.
This would also be quite consistent with findings outlined in an article from Psychology Today, regarding the prevalence and incidence of rape fantasies in women, much of which are quite extreme and violent.
From the article:
From 1973 through 2008, nine surveys of women’s rape fantasies have been published. They show that about four in 10 women admit having them (31 to 57 percent) with a median frequency of about once a month. Actual prevalence of rape fantasies is probably higher because women may not feel comfortable admitting them.
For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. “The Nature of Women’s Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents,”Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?
Sixty-two percent said they’d had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being “overpowered by a man,” 52 percent said they’d had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women’s romance fiction. But when the term was “rape,” only 32 percent said they’d had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.
Clearly, there is much yet to be understood about women and their predilection for being physically overpowered and forced to engage in sexual activity in a violent way.
And it calls into question whether prevailing attitudes about rape may be convoluted due to a social taboo against the practice.
It may be time in modern culture where we need to start evaluating the possibility that women, through the cultural expression of patriarchy, may be unfairly restricted from articulating their desire to be raped, and as such cut off from the full actualization of their sexual freedom.
In another Psychology Today article on dealing with the sexual liberation of women, some aspects of repression were addressed.
From the article:
What caused the sexual revolution?
Many factors may have been implicated, such as improved contraception (the pill which gave women more control), but effective condoms had been widely used for a century. Marriage prospects and careers were the key. Women’s marriage prospects worsened steadily throughout the sixties and there were only 80 men of marriageable age for every 100 women (2) thanks to an echo effect of the baby boom a generation earlier. Women also postponed marriage as they developed careers.
The net result was a large and increasing population of women who were sexually active outside marriage. Facing stiffer competition for men, women upped the ante by offering increased levels of sexual intimacy outside marriage.
In addition to complying with the masculine desire for sex without strings, women today adopt a more masculine sensibility regarding issues of number of sexual partners, sexual variety, and sexual satisfaction.
And, in a related study by Kale and Weiser, 1998, it was suggested that the full actualization of that liberation would include the idea of women’s pervasive rape fantasies being fulfilled spontaneously by men in their immediate environment.
On a more subjective note, this could be an explanation for the recurrent theme in feminist literature of “rape culture.” It may well be that the outward obsession with this notion, in a culture that clearly condemns and punishes rape, may be a matter of projective denial reflecting a desire for an actual rape culture to emerge in order to fulfill women’s unfulfilled sexual desires.
It also calls into question whether the concept of “consent,” where it relates to sexual activity, is antiquated. Indeed it calls into question whether the concept of “rape,” in the literal definition, is just a cultural misconception for a male tendency to fulfill women’s desire for sexual excitement and thrills and women’s collective desire to see this accomplished.
That would at least partly explain why there is currently far reaching efforts to broaden the definition of rape, given we interpret those efforts as an attempt to fulfill as many rape fantasies as possible.
All this should be considered, however, with the caveat that the Romeo study found no results whatsoever as presented in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this article, and the fact that the Kale & Weiser and Fisk studies are not extant.
These items, indeed this entire article, are illustrative examples of what Murray Straus identified as “Evidence by Citation” and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by feminist ideologues. They were presented here as an example of their destructive use.
Tags: Academic Tyranny, False Accusations, Femininity, Feminist lies, Hate Movement, Miscellaneous, Rape, Rape Culture, Rape Hysteria
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For every feminist this article pisses off, an angel will get its wings.
All of Heaven will be flying by the time I’m done with dinner, then.
You didn’t read the article, did you?
The last few paragraphs state that the first part wasn’t true…that this was a example of academic fraud…most of these comments make me bemoan our future. Read the entire article before commenting.
Faith in humanity, restored.
Excuse me Jmnzz? Why is that?
You just chucked a crate of fresh doughnuts in a cop-shop.
Really interesting.There was also a great movie, Watchmen (or,more recently in Game Of Thrones),where a woman felt in love with his abuser.A lot of women in real life shares this fatal attraction for “abusing” partners.Good article!
Did you read the last paragraph, Roy? All the sources cited are fake, as is the evidence they present. Watchmen and Game of Thrones are both works of FICTION, and horrifically biased ones at that. Just so you know.
Lolol I am so looking foreward to the feminist backlash to this one
I’m positive the ‘rape culture’ nonsense is a result of rape fantasies.
Woman has rape fantasy, enjoys it immensely – of course, she wouldn’t like to be raped in real life. Nothing suggests that. The point of a fantasy is it’s entirely under your control, even if the fantasy is about not being in control.
So, after enjoying it immensely, she feels guilty, because women definitely aren’t supposed to like that sort of thing.
She turns that guilt into anger at the man who, in her fantasy, ‘raped’ her. Because now she’s had her fun, and is no longer in the mood, the fantasy is not appealing, and the thought of a man forcing himself on her is disgusting.
She’s ANGRY at that man.
But who is he? He only exists in her mind.
So she projects the anger outwards at maleness itself, that is, at men generally.
She is angry at them for ‘raping’ her.
She is really, really angry at them because she enjoyed it.
Add some of the crazier feminist theories – like Dworkin’s notion that men “reach inside women to fuck/construct” them from inside out.
And hey, maybe men really are that bad (how exciting!) and MADE her enjoy that horrible, delicious fantasy.
Yes, she comes to judge all men by a man who does not even exist, and that she invented.
And those men must be punished, beaten, brutalised, imprisoned; they must be raped themselves, to ‘know how it feels’.
And no man may escape punishment. Even if only a small number of men commit rape, every man will be held responsible; we just need some excuse to blame them all.
The genesis of the ‘rape culture’ hoax is the female rape fantasy.
You really hit the nail on the head, there. I’ve never thought it through that way.
As I’ve got older I’ve certainly found far more women to be more sexually open to a staggering degree. As a percentage I’d say that at least 30 percent, maybe even as much as 40 of the women I’ve dated, have at some point in the relationship expressed a desire to be roughly treated in the bedroom.
I have to admit that this shocked me when I was requested to do this. It included pulling hair, requests for rough penetration, slapping, and ripping and tearing clothes off. Now, I’m certainly not silly and to this day have never fulfilled any girlfriends request for this type of treatment.
It’s tantamount to suicide to follow up any request of this kind , regardless of how well you think you know them. It only takes you to piss them off in any way, and they have you buy the balls! It could even be a “setup” in the first place, so bear this in mind.
Never, never, never indulge them with these fantasies, despite how you may think you know them. You may as well play Russian roulette!
How do you know they won’t say you did it anyway and have you arrested??…What “evidence” can there be that you DIDN’T do something?
Fair point Mr J
I’d like to think that my intuition is enough to know how stable my partner was. Of course, there is no sure way apart from watching for the warning signs.
Provided you stay clear of rough sex, then this at least narrows the possibility of them feeling confident enough to frame you. If someone is that sick that they would do that, then there is very little can be done to stop it.
What I would say is steer completely clear of that request, and If they seem keen on the idea of rough sex,then question if that’s the right person to be spending time with.
I’ve had more than a few girlfriends who have requested “rough and tough” and from my own experience they tend to be women with quite troubled pasts. Needless to say, I didn’t continue to pursue those relationships.
If you suspect something strange, then I’d suggest recording the conversation to cover yourself as I’ve done before.
EPIC!!!
Funnily enough, there is a difference between playing out a fantasy with your boyfriend and having it happen in real life. Ever heard of a safeword? Makes all the difference. What you’re saying is you didn’t trust your partner to know the distinction between roleplay and abuse. But then hey, if you can’t get your head around it then how could she? I mean she’s only a woman after all…
My God are you acting like an entitled asshole.
Why should he have to run any risk to himself in order to fulfill a woman’s fantasy?
In reply to Typhonblue. Its not entitlement. It’s about trust and sexual freedom. Most people have sexual fetishes (ranging from mild to extreme), and trusting your partner to carry them out in a way you both feel safe is part of being in a caring relationship. The other side of that is that your partner has to trust you that it really is something you like, and you aren’t trying to exploit them somehow. The reason he has to “run the risk” as you put it, is the same reason she would have to be prepared to return the favour if he asked for it. The genders involved are irrelevant, which is why it’s fucking stupid to assume this is a woman trying to get a man done. Women who falsely cry rape are just as much of an enemy to feminism as men who commit rape, and have absolutely nothing to do with fetish.
No, she doesn’t “run the same risk”.
The legal reality is that a man does not have the same protection against being sexually abused as a woman, neither does he have the same ability to level a malicious false charge and be believed.
No one is obligated to offer up their sexuality if they feel uncomfortable with doing so. Nor should they be shamed for feeling uncomfortable.
And you people call us rape apologists!
“Women who falsely cry rape are just as much of an enemy to feminism as men who commit rape…”
Translation: People who falsely cry rape are just as detrimental to society as those who commit rape.
I like that.
And there is far more crying than committing. Right!
Fucking brilliant!
Snark, you are AMAZING.
Snark gets it.
Feminists want to define rape, to give the individual woman more latitude in being able to determine what it is and whether it happened of not to her.
To the individual woman the definition of “rape” is purely dependent on who the rapist happens to be. To feminists it’s ALL men who use any form of physical domination, or now even verbal coercion to get her to consent such as in Sweden.
Feminists HATE the lack of control women have during the sex act with a man. He’s the dominator, she’s the submissive. He penetrates, she willingly complies. He’s ENTERS her body, violates her personal dominion and she’s seemingly rendered powerless to stop him once the first thrust is initiated.
The natural act of sexual intercourse between a man and woman (once the woman consents) LOWERS the woman in status as the submissive to the man. Feminists believe if they can control the point of penetration, they can control the sex act with a man itself. To the point it’s a completely equalized interaction with no one partner excersizing power over another. Because it’s from this Dominant/Submissive interplay that ALL patriarchy eminates from.
If you want to see something incredibly creepy.
Go search for feminists who talk about ‘PIV’ sex.
Some of them say PIV (penis into vagina) is not the main way to have sex; just one form of sex among others, all of which are equally legitimate.
But others take it a step further and say that PIV sex is oppressive and must be banned, because other kinds of sex are more natural, and that a man penetrating a woman is simply a patriarchal assault on women.
I have never heard that in my entire life.
I’ve though this way for a while, but could not find words anywhere near as eloquent as yours.
grats on the resurrection of your blog… btw
You’re joking right?
Snark, what u said in this comment I would like to see it as a separate article. It is valuable and important.
I wonder how many of the women who admitted to rape fantasies had a history of sexual abuse as children.
You literaly missed the entire point of this essay, didnt you? Read the last paragraph again, where the author says he made it all up. Are you illiterate, or just that freakin stupid?
“Rape culture” is not a haox. It is as real as it gets. But if you still consider it some sort of loch ness monster, then you need help mate.
You’re absolutely right!
And feminists are the biggest pushers of rape culture that exist. In fact feminists would be better named “professional rape apologists.”
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/male-disposability-and-mary-p-koss/
False rape accusation culture exits – not rape culture. Men pass laws to stop rape. Laws against making false rape claims are ignored. Rape Shield laws protect false accusers and allows them to commit their crime repeatedly. No such laws exist for rape. Women lie and deny false rape accusations even exist – “it’s rare so I must be believed in spite of lack of evidence”. Men have beaten, lynched, burned and castrated other men for committing rape. . .ever hear of women doing something like that to a false accuser?
Maybe early psychologists who proposed the concept of female masochism were right, to an extent.
Wouldn’t surprise me, considering how many marriage proposal letters men on death row get from women.
This would probably explain why rape is “the most underreported crime.” I’m sure there are many women who have enjoyed the experience, but would never admit for fear of being ostracized. Obviously, not all women enjoy being raped, or you wouldn’t have any women going to the police.
I’m sure there are many variables that affect a woman’s enjoyment of rape or lack of. Did the rapist use a weapon on her or threaten to kill her? Was there a beating in addition to the rape? Did he use a foreign object to rape her? Was he a George Clooney lookalike, or was he just some smelly drunken bum off of the street?
The bottom line is this: regardless of whether or not most women enjoy being raped, the crime itself is pretty much trivial. Yeah, yeah, feminists claim it’s a violation of a woman’s body, her soul, and her entire existence. Whatever.
Bottom line is, rape is a form of sex. It’s not murder, and it’s not a form of assault that causes serious or permanent physical damage in most cases. It’s indicative of the unhealthy obsession our society has with sex that sexual assaults are punished far more severely than non-sexual assaults. The crime is taken so serious because it is a remnant of the good old “chivalrous” days when a woman who was not a virgin was thought unfit for marriage and also when a woman could get pregnant and not be able to get an abortion.
The reason some women display such deep emotional suffering after being raped is that they’re told at an early age that rape is the most horrible violation imaginable, and if you get raped, you should exhibit symptoms of severe psychological trauma.
Rape has become trivialized under the feminist agenda, to the the extent that an unsubstantiated rape allegation made by a woman who’s simply changed her mind, or having regrets the next day, is supposed to be taken seriously.
However, to really understand what gets women off on their rape fantasies, true rape is anything but trivial. The thrill, the risk, the danger and the fear are all integral to the context that women can find so arousing. Ain’t nothin’ trivial about the real deal. But feminists, the emotionally crippled morons that they are, wouldn’t understand this.
Well, when he said “rape is trivial” it was in the context of non-violent rape. So he’s right.
One thing we have to not be ashamed to start pointing out is that rape (in and of itself) is no big deal.
If there’s violence involved – then that’s violence. But the act of having intercourse with someone whom you didn’t previously desire is really not that huge a deal.
Now SYSTEMATIC rape, like the men in prison get-that is not trivial. Gettin penetrated by undesirables over and over multiple times a day-now that is horrible.
Having it happen to you once-it’s really not a huge deal.
So feminists came along and changed the definition of rape to suit their own agenda, and you now want to accept their definition. Non-violent rape? Date rape? You’re accepting this garbage? Regret rape? Changed-my-mind rape? Time-of-the-month rape? Full-moon rape?
Why should anyone be ashamed? So long as it’s feminists making the charges, there is never anything to be ashamed of. They are irrelevant. In fact, to be despised by feminists is a compliment, a badge of honor and a sign that one is doing something right.
On what basis do you declare this to be so? What a truly stupid comment. Try explaining that to your ten-year-old son or daughter if it happens to them. If we just stick with the truth and never allow these vermin to define the terms of the debate, we’ll be fine.
In their slutwalks, feminists are trying to redefine the word slut, to “own” it. But I know what a slut is, and there is no slutwalk that will change my opinion. Are you going to allow feminists to change also your definition of slut, as they’ve done with your definition of rape? Now that would be shameful.
Well you misread me mate.
When I said non-violent, I meant without severe violence like the woman getting permanent injuries and broken limbs. You know REAL violence.
Also why did you just use feminist shaming on me. Your example was pedophilia.
Obviously my statement meant undesired sex between adults with only mild violence of non-permanent nature – and that yes, that’s not a big deal. I’ve been beaten and viciously attacked by gangs, harassed and even stalked by a gay man with a hardon following me and yelling at me for several streets. (he threatened that he’d beat me up if I didn’t let him have sex with me lol)
The things are really are trivial things and I don’t spend an entire life whining about them, because they’re trivial in the big picture of my life.
I get your point, that you’re sensitive about the broadened and watered definitions of rape. But I wasn’t talking about those “rapes”. I’m saying even REAL rape between adults isn’t such a huge issue provided there’s no permanent injury (i.e severe violence) – It doesn’t fit the histrionics thrown over it.
To me, even real rape doesn’t seem all that much more bad than say getting robbed and beaten by thugs. We don’t throw histrionics reactions on the news about someone getting beat up. Considering that I and everyone I know has either been robbed at knifepoint or beaten up at least once in their life… I don’t see the big issue and why I should worry about women getting raped.
They don’t seem to be crying or worrying about me getting beaten up and having bones broken by thugs on the street. Why should I worry about them getting raped in a way that causes no permanent injury?
I take one of your points – why should we care about the rape of women given that they care so little about false accusations and other wrongs perpetrated against men. But that’s a separate argument, to do with doing away with chivalry and all that gynocentric pedastalization, and I’m fine with that.
But rather than argue about how terrible or trivial the different forms of rape are, let’s stick with the simple, traditional, pre-feminist interpretation about which there is no ambiguity. In this, we take the wind out of their sails. We can thus assert that the contemporary variants of the term in which sluts and feminists like to wallow are nothing more than histrionics, and do not constitute rape in any way, shape or form. End of argument. No need to qualify or redefine anything, and no need to appease anyone. And most importantly, no need to stoop to their level.
Is this whole thing some kind of joke? What the fuck is wrong with all of you? Rape is no big deal? No REAL man would actually think that. Holy shit.
This might help you: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
Hey, Honeybadgers, we have a REAL man here!!
Want him frozen in carbonite for posterity, before feminism adds him to the list of extinct creatures??
“No REAL man would actually think that. Holy shit.”
Do you think rape is a big deal when it’s woman on man?
Somehow I doubt it.
At least AlexNovy is likely consistent in his views. I disagree with him completely, but I’ll give him that.
“or was he just some smelly drunken bum off of the street?”
Holy shit…. I lold so hard at this…!!!
You’ve violated one of the most powerful weapons a woman has ever had since the dawn of civilization, the power of consent; to say “yes” or “no”.
THAT’S why feminists claim sex is about power, it’s THEIR power that’s been taken. The brutish thug that forced her against her will, just wants a little pussy, and refuses to take “no” for an answer. “Power” is the last thing on his mind. He’s in pure “Id” mode.
Mark,
Thank-you so much for pointing that out, about “rape”.
I have posted similar statements, here and in other fora, regarding the fact that “rape” is not even a crime, nor a sin. (Full dislosure again: religious extremist).
It’s not even a form of assault; but even if we called it “assault”, we must remember that assault isn’t wrong either, unless one causes serious or permanent injury. If you reach out and punch me in the upper arm, I’m just gonna tell you that you’re a farger, or else I’m gonna punch you back. Neither of us, in that case, is a criminal.
Eye for eye. Tooth for tooth. Break for break. But, if there’s no serious injury, then there ought to be no government action.
(I must say, though, that rape of another man’s wife is a capital crime. Every half-way decent society will enforce that, and will tolerate “crimes of passion” by the cuckolded husband. America [where I live right now] used to know that.)
I’m sorry to disagree, but real rape(not ‘i’ve changed my mind’ rape or ‘he persuaded me, that’s coercion’ rape) is, in itself, often harmful to the victim, be it male or female. PTSD, STDs, or unwanted pregnancy are just a few examples. I mean, you wouldn’t want a fat 40-year-old holding you down and making you eat her out, now would you?
Bottom line, rape is something that is commited by both males and females and that happens to both males and females. It is a problem and must not be trivialized, but it’s not as big as many people suggest (1 in 4 and similar bullshit) and accusing a man of rape must no further be the weapon it is today if we want have a better society.
Good day to you, sir
Ever read the story about the Boy who cried Wolf? Well, now we’re living the story of the Girl who cried Rape.
I see cries of rape almost weekly in my local paper, and then a month or two later, the story is back and it turns out that she actually wasn’t raped. Needless to say, the alleged perpetrator’s life is pretty much ruined at this point.
When you cry rape every other day, and it turns out to be false, when it really does happen, don’t expect me to drop everything to come help you. I wont care.
True. Like I said, accusing men of rape must no longer be the weapon it is today. The way of thinking behind it hurts the men accused and the real victims, regardless if they are male or female. All this ‘All men are rapists’ Bullshit has hurt so many people, and it continues to hurt.
What I’m trying to say is we need a proper definition of rape and the assumption of innocence must be made clear to everyone, because your best friend could be accused any day if the FBI’s new definition finds its way into law. And if that happens, i bet you’d hate to see everyone leave him.
Oh, I see. You don’t think rape is underreported because of, well, thoughts similar to this blog? It’s because she’s (or he) not believed because of the few people who are lying. Also, a lot of cases are dismissed because as it sits, rape needs to be reported in a certain amount of time to be considered legit and usually victims are far too shaken up to talk to anyone.
Also, many rape victims are threatened and rape usually happens by someone they know (fathers, step fathers, brothers, neighbors, grandfathers, friends, teachers).
“Rape is trivial… the reason some women display such deep emotional suffering after being raped is that they’re told at an early age that rape is the most horrible violation imaginable..”
… I think you have never experienced this have you?
I get it. Readers here are tired of girls who cry wolf (never mind the men who have been molested and raped-they DEFINITELY can’t talk about it because it’s just.. “improper” and how is that possible for a man to be raped?)..
But good.. grief.. please, take a chill pill and think about the implications of these thoughts you have and how much damage that does on society.
Actually, if you read the sources to this genius article to make people realise how much bullshit you can make them believe if you write about something they’re (unfortunately) more likely to agree with, you’ll realise that there is no proof of women enjoying rape.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been raped yourself, but I wouldn’t take it that lightly. It is a very bad violation of another person’s body, whether you do it to a man or a woman. People aren’t told to express psychological trauma, they just do. I find it more likely that someone tries to tell themselves; “it’s okay, it’s just sex, I need to move on with my life” and are unable to do so rather than “Oh man I better lose all control of my life and emotions because I had some sex, lol I’m genius to abuse the system like this”.
Also, saying “rape is a form of sex”… actually rape is a form of someone to attempt to control someone and display their “power”, that’s why rapists rape. Other than both having penetration, I wouldn’t call it a “form of sex” at all.
“actually rape is a form of someone to attempt to control someone and display their “power”
No rape is someone using violence to get sex. You are just repeating a feminist meme that makes no sense. If sex was just about power and control, why not just beat a woman up? Loads of rapes happen with the minimal about of violence to get the sex.
Forceful sex games where the woman wants the man to play the aggressor is not rape. (I’ve been invited to women’s rooms where the women wants me to play the aggressor. I decline as if the woman doesn’t give signals that she wants it clear enough I don’t take the risk.)
A lot of woman are in hysterical denial about their desire to have forceful sex. This is part of the woman’s anti slut defense. Her slut defense is more important than a mans freedom, and she will retroactively withdraw consent, like it was a bad consumer transaction.
There are real victims of rape out there, and they are victims of a small minority of psychopathic men. This rape culture construct comes from the female need to guilt and manipulate men.
It is quite insulting to the real victims of rape to cheapen rape, or play these games, because a woman is anxious about protecting her market value.
Isn’t it amazing how we view crimes? You can serve life in the same place as a person who slaughtered a family, killed innocent people, and brutally smashed in someone’s face over $11 in an alley over this type of crime. I say rape accusations are the gateway that allows a book to be thrown at a man and men alone and slowly allowing this crime to be applied if a woman is in a situation where she’s of the following:
1) She’s been drinking/impaired judgement
2) She’s asleep/half awake
3) She’s pregnant
4) She thought he was George Clooney
5) She says so (she changes her mind)
6) She got dumped
7) She regrets the sex
There’s a long list including ‘If the husband found out’ and ‘he cheated on me’ amongst other things but if 2 conditions are met, then it’s more than likely that someone will rot in a cage and waste their life away.
Sadly these aren’t excuses a male can use especially children paying child support to their teachers.
A tale of two guys my son knew in High school. One shot and killed another person in a road rage incident. The other spent the night with a woman that later turned out to be underaged while drinking in a bar with a false ID.
The kid who murdered another person over a driving incident got out of prison after 4 years and is now working for his father’s company and doing quite well in life. End of story, apparently.
The other guy was 21 when first arrested for “child molestation”. He is 35 now and still in “therapy”. He has been “revoked” to prison numerous times for not being able to pass a polygraph admitting he is a pedophile. He cannot satisfy “treatment” requirements. His name, address, photos of him and his parent’s home are online for all to enjoy. Once a successful young man with great promise, he hasn’t been able to find work or keep a job in 14 years, although he’s required to pay $25.00 three times a week for his endless “therapy” treatment. His parents have lost their home, savings and all hope trying to keep him from prison. He would just simply give up and go to prison and serve out the time except…you don’t get out of prison until you satisfy treatment requirements, which is impossible.
Seriously. You’re better off murdering people.
Holy shit! terrible! Was the girl decorated for ‘expanding her boundaries’ ?
If I was raped I’d see it as a violation of my body. And I would not see it as trivial.
Read the last couple of paragraphs where the caveats to the article are mentioned and you might understand the point of it. This kind of academic fraud trivialises the plight of male rape and domestic violence victims in the same regard- using the same false statistics, doctored studies and mythical studies, to reduce all male victims of domestic violence and rape to a combination of perpetual monsters, urban myths, liars and cheap, filthy, worthless sluts.
You are outraged at this satirical fiction, yet where is your same outrage for battered men who face mandatory arrests (and subsequently, most likely prison rape) under primary aggressor laws and gender profiling? Where is your outrage for 12 year old boys who are raped and then forced to pay their pedophiles child support when it results in a child? Or do you believe, like much of society, in the vile hypocrisy that the compassion you would have for female victims should go right out the window the moment the victim has a penis and the perpetrator has a vagina?
or maybe it’s because you are being stripped of any power of your own body and consent of your own decisions and being physically violated and treated less than human and unworthy of your choice to not have sex with a person being respected? It’s not because of the idealism of virginity or because you’re ~told to exhibit symptoms of severe psychological trauma~ it’s because it’s actually traumatizing and sickening and violating for both males and female victims of rape. Unless you have been raped, I’m not sure what source you are getting your theory of why rape is seen as a problem and what goes on in a victim’s head.
Mark, so if I over-powered you and pushed you to the ground, ripped your pants down and fucked you up the arse without any lubrication other than the fear drenched sweat rolling down your back, and pounded away until I got my release, leaving you lying on the ground with my cum dribbling out your arse, that would just be sex right? There would be no emotional suffering? No anger towards me? No deep desire to beat the living shit out of me? No long term psychological issues? Wow, thanks, now I understand rape much better.
Your question seems like quite the non-sequitur to me. Why don’t you try asking some of us around here about our experiences with these things, or some of the real (non-satirical, non-fake) studies we’ve discussed in other articles? You might find that more enlightening. You’ve got a freight train of presumptions weighing down your understanding, dude.
Must be hot for rape culture true believers that have rape fantasies, engaging in the fantasy that their fantasy could be fulfilled at any give moment, anywhere. At college, at home, in the parking lot …. mostly by people that they already know….
“hmmm wonder if its going to be …, or maybe its going to be, what if its …!, but not …. ewwww, hes probably thinking about raping me right now, what a creep”.
“Hey …. you know that creepy guy … ? Well I saw him today and he seemed sort of …. rapey”
False rape accusations then, may be a way of ‘living out’ the fantasy.
Feeling ‘degraded’ having to describe the lurid details to police officers … etc
I’d wager something else. Sexually sadistic stimulation at the thought of the anguish some of these women are causing for the falsely accused.
Dead serious.
I don’t disagree, which is why false accusers renounce permanently their right to be believed.
Plus twisted fairly tale appeal, white knights coming to defend the honor of the damsel in distress.
Plus twisted fairly tale appeal, white knights coming to defend the honor of the damsel in distress.
I’d hate to be the falsely accused and having to defend my life against one of these fuckwads.
Falsely claiming/accusing rape is also a way for a woman to abdicate all responsibility/accountability for the sex act. While she may solicit sex, desire sex and enjoy sex, alleging she was raped allows her to keep her fairy tail princess image of purity and moral superiority, IMO.
In that case a part of the problem is that women/girls are still, to this day, taught that they will lose their “purity and moral superiority” and that they shouldn’t have sex, by media and other men and women calling girls who have sex outside relationships, or with “too many” guys, whores.
In fact girls who report rape are scared of the same thing, being called a whore and a liar.
And no, don’t worry, I’m not talking about girls who falsely accuse people of raping them, it’s a part of the problem and an awful thing to do to the men whom they accuse and the people who get raped for real.
I don’t know of any serial rape accusers, but now you got me thinking of another possibility: Someone who uses the law to kill anyone they want. You could call this stimulation to proxy violen–err… nevermind.
There was a case in the UK of a woman who did it like 11 times. She was finally convicted, but that is an rare example.
Could happen I’m sure, I’ve seen a woman play act being injured in front of a crowd and kept it up till she was put in an ambulance and brought to hospital, I knew a gay guy years ago who claimed that he would act sketchy in front of the police and run, hoping to be hand cuffed and strip searched and the same girl I witnessed pretending to be injured talked about having metal toys inside her at airports with the intention of being strip searched and them being removed by security..
the whole drink spiking thing is a figment of their imaginations isn’t it? Womens groups were in the media here talking up an “epidemic”, the more they talked it up the more women presented at hospitals, some time later the media reported that during the “epidemic”, not one “victim” showed up positive for anything other they what they remembered taking themselves… that story has been replicated in ever study one drink spiking thats been undertaken.
Typically they were trying to drink as much as a man can, and became intoxicated to the point of delerium.
Lets not punish the majority because of the minority. These people do upset a great deal.. they make it SO much harder for people who are actually in trouble.
My drink was spiked and I was raped. It does happen, didn’t happen in a night club. It was a scum bag my mother picked up and wanted a relationship with.
LOL. When all they guys you meet are rapey, then a woman can be a constant victim of the rape culture, regardless of reality.
Which is more scary I wonder, creepy or rapey, I know both make them “uncomfortable”.
No no no…
The worst is “creepyrapey”
THAT’S where the REAL hysterical wetness….I mean tears…comes from
so it the wetness that’s “uncomfortable”?
no that’s just a bonus
Wow! Just when I think I understand it, I am blown away again by another article. This is as deep as it is disturbing. Scrap my lackluster analysis I submitted, Paul. I tried but choked. I am not ready for this arena yet. I will continue my study on this. Thanks
Are you sure?
No. I guess I would still like to present it for publishing or your feedback. The psychology department here at MSU won’t give me the information straight. I was laughed at in my Anthopology class many times for saying such things. My hesitation is due to stage fright, I suppose ; ). Let’s give it a whirl. I am braced for it now.
First, read that last two paragraphs of the article, very carefully, and follow the link you find there. I still have you scheduled to run tomorrow. Unless you confirm that you don’t want it to run, I will go ahead.
I want to encourage you and all new writers to submit. There is nothing wrong with your article, and we get much better at this as we go along.
Thank you so much. There is nothing wrong with my article, eh? I was really worried that you wouldn’t like it. I have read the “academic fraud” link at the end of this article and found it shocking. I will re-read them carefully again. I am confirming that I do want to run my article tomorrow.
Good man.
@Ben
I think you would be doing a disservice to yourself and all the readers here to hold back. I am looking forward to your stuff. If you have fear get over it then you can move on to brilliance. Hurry up. I’m holding my pom poms for ya.
Me too.
I agree.
Christina Hoff Summers stopped caring about exposing academic fraud 10 years ago. We need to take the torch. I wanna see the actual data, and methodologies of these so called “latest studies” that Claire Shipmen and Michael Kimmel, et al are always so eager to quote.
If no one ever dares to challenge them they MUST be true, right? I mean that’s what a recent study said!
Surely the very notion of “Crime” and “Punishment” is a patriarchal construct. Perhaps feminists are overdue a re-evaluation of rape as a crime at all, and should soon be abandoning the idea of any punishment for it. It is, after all, so horribly judgmental.
Yeah. I can see the Femarchy saying that “they all have pricks, so they all are pricks, and all they are is pricks, and all a prick can do is rape, so Marilyn French is right – all men are rapists, that’s all they are, and they’re all guilty, even if only of having pricks. That’s reason enough to lock ‘em away.”
Something here for the herb-munching, women-are-nurturing-earthmothers, New-Age crowd to contemplate.
There’s going to be a slutwalk in Houston on July 9. In the interest of science, social justice, and to just plain start shit I propose dropping this nugget on participants and see the resultant hijinks. Blessed are the peacemakers.
I will be at that slut walk with my trusty HD video camera….asking questions.
I can’t wait for that.
Epic …
Will this be the first episode of AVfM TV?
I’m considering making an appearance to at least one of these Slut Walks in TX, is Houston the last one??
I’ll be at Denver’s, cameras in hand July 2.
I only hope I can contain my engorgement among all that sluttery.
I don’t know. I first heard about it in the Houston Press about the same time they printed that article about the hottest female sex offenders.
It’s sad people go to this level and also even though I too collect information from the internet, it’s much better to go to proper university databases.
Feminism didn’t start the sexual revolution in my country. It started in the 1950′s when it was founded a girl had sex with a whole lot of men, married and unmarried. Society started having local meetings and all started coming out – (it wasn’t the dream 50′s some think existed).
Anyways, it sad to see this written. I just hope we don’t see someone in years to come say male prisoners like being raped.
I think it is pretty safe to assume that male prisoners don’t even like being prisoners.
Although you wouldn’t know it if you ask feminist April McCaffery.
She thinks that men like being in prison because they get shelter and food – paid for with YOUR tax dollars!!!
Just out of curiosity – are you male or female? If the latter, is your background feminist or religious? The taboo nature of this topic makes it inevitable that many women themselves are ignorant to the primal forces that scare the shit of them. A bit of ruff stuff can sometimes provide the perfect initiation.
If you are male, then you must be a mangina/white knight. ‘Nuff said.
Yes go to a university database. All you will find is whatever feminists want you to find.
Paul if you’d have rubbed the point any harder, there would be stains in the panties and on the floor.
Right fuckin on.
I believe that women depend more on erotic arousal to get their motor running. Interestingly Victorian ethics coupled with wrath of God, and the threat of becoming Satans concubine made it pretty tough to acquire a 2pm orgasm. I think rape is a female fantasy that set them free from judgment and accountability even if they had a child as a result. Coupled with the fact that the area of the brain that is stimulated by the orgasm is the same area that is stimulated by female rage. Hmmm. Angry sex anyone. I don’t advocate rape and I also don’t advocate fantasy rape, cause it can come back to bite you. In most cases I think the women of this rape culture fantasy should be left wanting and pressing their knees together.
My daughter asked me about sex before she had it (which was a surprise) my suggestion to her was before you let someone else play with your body, play with it yourself and find out how it works. I also suggested to her that from time to time she should consider throwing her partner on the floor and have her way.
I don’t think women have the ability to express a healthy appetite of lust. Rape culture is an extension of that inability. Personally I think women are just as sexually fucked up and confused as they were a hundred years ago. They’ve twisted their sexuality into a domination sport. If married women had the ability to express lust toward their partner and be sexually aggressive from time to time, guys would be a lot more sexually fulfilled. IMO
I once took a poll with the men I know friends and relatives. I asked if they had ever come home to a partner that jumped them sexually (I’m going to call this fantasy rape of a man) if not would they enjoy it. I got a unanimous no on the first question and unanimous yes on the second. Women are fucked they think it’s all about them.
@keith
You are right on the money.
I think the common female complaint of not being satisfied is due to their laziness and lack of participation in the bed room. If they would be more involved and not just lie on their backs they would get more out of it!
“Lie back and think of England.” That was the quote, wasn’t it?
I absolutely aggree with this one. One of the things I find most annoying about intercourse with woman is that they expect the man to know all the right things to do and since what trips there trigger varys from person to person, I find this to be rather lazy and frustrating expectation. If a woman tells me I was a lame lay or that I could have done better I simply tell them that’s their fault for not telling me what I need to do bettter, men and woman know what they want…your partner is not a mind reader and if you don’t telll them what they need to know then your gonna have the same outcome everytime. The way I see it..there is no such thing as a bad toss,only bad communication.
If you’d like to circumvent the “satisfaction” issue, ask your partner to allow you to watch her masturbate so you can learn. Of course you should be willing to reciprocate. Personally I don’t think anyone should engage in sex without doing this first. The first thing you will probably notice is she doesn’t know much about her own body. The second thing you may notice is she uses sex for power instead of pleasure.
I think woman know a lot more than they let on, the problem is getting them to be open about it. I haven’t really had much of an issue in this area seeing how the most basic techniques work. What I find highly annoying are the few I run into who are sexual retards, it can be said for certain that they may not know about their bodies but I stand firm on the idea that they do in fact know what feels good and what does not as does most every other person and so I don’t see why that can’t be spoken openly. Some will say they hold back so as to not hurt ones feelings, but like I tell everyone…I would rather have a truth that hurts than hear your bullshit, if a problem is not voiced then im gonna carry on like there is no problem. Such is the way of any realist.However, I do see the point in what your saying and this is wise indeed…providing asking such a request is not one more thing on the list of things that makes them uncomfortablle. I just jumped back in the sex game and from what I can tell so far…woman haven’t really changed on my feelings towards that aspect.
If you’re trying to satisfy HER,you won’t satisfy her.
‘Nuff said.
Fuck what they think feels good. Put that shit out of your mind entirely.
If they don’t like the fuck they’re gettin’ from you, tell ‘em to hit the road.
That’s how I handle it and I’ve never had any takers on the “highway option” yet.
Truth be told, I can’t fucking get rid of ‘em. I would mangina up and buy women flowers and shit to get them to leave, but I don’t feel like moving or going out of town to get some more pussy afterwards.
True Nergal but thats exactly what saying, that I don’t care. The wholle point is don’t bitch if you not gonna speak up…I don’t play the you should already know game. Basicly its like this, I got mine already so if you want yours you damn well better say so or im simply not going to give a shit.
I think what your referring to is kind of psychological imperialism. Women will often use this as a technique to turn you into a white knight and get you in a provider role. It’s a sexual shit test. That’s why I take the approach I do about masturbation, hey baby show me how you can take care of yourself.
Relevant humor:
I don’t think anyone ever wants to be raped, as in theory it wouldn’t be rape by definition.
I think people have decided two different things with overlapping characteristics are the same thing. Rape is forced sex. I believe the girls fantasy of rape is actually something along the lines of being taken by a superior man (specific or general) that she has desired but feels not worthy of which is why she claims she is against it; this is applying the no means yes theory. I do think that the latter is being classified under the former. I only say that because rape is you being forced to do something which implies it was impossible that you wanted to do it, otherwise it wouldn’t be forced.
OK, so then feminists aren’t redefining rape itself, they’re redefining “force”.
From “raping her with your eyes, to talking her into saying yes…all the way to genuine rape, only diminishes the power the word SHOULD have in civil society. That’s the point that’s ultimately being proposed by more reasonable or rational people.
Men’s Rights Movement is getting closer to the truth….one article at a time from avoiceformen.com
Somebody please pinch me.
I am very fucking glad that I took the Red pill.
I have one sentence to say to you guys…
Just follow your intuition [Period]
Your solipsism and your assumption that women share the same reality as men (attribute the same meanings to their experiences) is obscuring your view to what is actually going on. Women, with female mind-bodies*, do not think in the same way that men do. At a primal level, there is something about having her porcelain virtue sullied that can be arousing to Woman. Men, with male mind-bodies*, are blocked off from this experience, and women are blocked off from expressing it in any coherent way that makes sense. Sure, at a conscious level, women will tell us that they don’t want to be raped, but this fact alone does not address the primal urges that account for women’s impulses or choices (or of course, their violent rape fantasies).
Women do not always select for the best genes (the fittest, the strongest, the handsomest or the most intelligent). Or haven’t you noticed?
*My reference to mind-bodies relates to a very specific theoretical framework that is beyond the scope of this off-the-cuff comment.
I think that there are many male-minded female feminists that don’t get this.
They think like a man (kinda-sorta with added hormones and no responsibilities) and wonder why da otha sistaz don’t think like they do. Da wimminz have all these rights, but they prefer popping out a few kids to get a stay at home lifestyle watching orpah, talking about SATC, the latest advances in vaginaplasty and tit jobs. And having rape fantasies, to a male mind (in a male body, or female) this makes little sense…
Hence the rage I guess, kids don’t like it when reality doesn’t give a shit what their views of how things should be are.
I totally meant to DISAGREE with you. I think female anti-feminists are the more “male minded” If you think about it, males do have more logic than females (generally speaking), and any female who is anti-feminist is CLEARLY operating on logic. It’s us who are ALSO sick and tired of hearing the “woe is me, I’m a victim” story. It’s us who can no longer bear watching ONE MORE LIFETIME MOVIE. It’s we who can no longer ignore the abject blatant double standards feminists have, and it’s we who are sick and tired of the unhealthy obsession feminists have with their vagina’s. I’m telling you…feminism…IS PENIS ENVY!
How long have you been reading AVFM Melissa?
Here’s a related piece of information you might find fascinating. It’s courtesy of elementary Watson.
lol I agree that logic analysis cannot be ‘reclaimed’ by feminism
It’s funny that logic and objectivity only go out the window when a feminist wants to inflict ridiculous punitive measures on men for no reason,or to destroy something men have created because they’re spiteful passive-aggressive little shits.
I doubt, for instance, that a feminist would say “If a woman feels like she can fly, then she can fly.” and demonstrate the veracity of her conclusions by going out a window herself,but I sure wish they’d carry it that far.
Nergal that’s a beautiful metaphor. Mind if I steal it when I mock feminists for their subjectivity frames?
Everything I put out there is up for grabs.
I’m here to give. Anything I say or do here that you guys find useful,consider it yours.
Thanks
Basically I compile a database of great retorts and arguments and little blurbs on any of these issues. Between the lot of us, we’ve by now come up with an answer or retort to any challenge, we just dont know it.
To the 3 bitches who stalk me and red-thumb whatever I say or post. If you have aomething to say to me, come out from the shadows and visit me on my blog in the comments section and voice your concerns.
Gender feminists get Empowered through this “False Rape culture”. With their “Empowerment” they are seeking to get condoms and dildo’s to the children as quickly as possible. They will even put mickey mouse stickers on the condoms and dildos to make them more children friendly.
I think you’re wrong. I think they have penis envy. I seriously think that’s what it is.
If like gender feminists say “All hetero-sex is rape” then Im sure some women enjoyed the sex.
Again i will add, it seems bizarre that gender-feminists are now dominant in Academia. It just seems so f@@ked up silly.
WTF happened to American higher education??
“WTF happened to American higher education??”
It was infiltrated and infused with liberal/socialist/marxist doctrine in the 1960′s, to the point dissent from these views was controlled and shut down.
Ironically, this was was in response to the “Establishment” (ie-white male supremacy), to the point that liberal academia is now THE entrenched Establishement. An Establishment that censors speech, IF it counters or criticizes their world view in any way.
A tip: this is filed under “A Voice for Men, Academic Tyranny, Femininity, Feminist lies, Hate Movement, Rape, Rape Culture, Rape Hysteria”. Make a new file, call it “Sarcasm”, and make sure this article is added. I’ve already seen one anti-MR person link to it as if it were sincere.
Rape and sarcasm is a tricky cocktail.
Especially if it’s subtlety is not geared towards the lowest common denominator.
That was kind of the point, though. Why should I give them anything more than the article? If they won’t read the whole thing and attempt to understand it, screw ‘em.
“Attempt” takes effort; effort that might lead to a conclusion you’re not comfortable with. You know how people can be!
I honestly hope they do link to it as if it were sincere because then people who come into their camp will hold it up and go, “You know, how is what you guys are doing any different than this MRA stuff?”.
The way it was written leads me to believe, through contextual reading, that this was the entire point,i.e., to show people how “evidence by citation” works and how dangerous it can be because a lot of people are not smart enough to tease out the deception being perpetrated upon them.
Hell, it had me going,right up until the end where the clarification was made and the deception revealed.
Because of this article,I will be a lot more careful in the future.
Ok, then if it’s feelings that count, and facts that don’t. What if a woman feels a guy she had sex with raped her, but the guy feels that he didn’t See the problem. But it’s an easy problem to solve for feminists……the womans feelings count, and the guys feelings don’t But what about when a woman has some gripe with another woman….and both feel that the other has done wrong by them. How do you balance that….who’s feelings are more important. There is just no way you can work out who is right and who is wrong by feelings. What if a woman feels that she has the right to just take another womans car…or child. What if she feels that she can kill anothers child. What about the childs feelings in all this.
It’s a totaly childish way of thinking. The answer is……my feelings are always the right ones…..and when it’s between two other people……the person I like the most has the correct feelings.
The other problem is…..how do you know someone even feels the way they say they do…..only got their word for it. And of course….feelings change…..what feels good today…might not tomorrow. So in a world running on feelings……there can be no law……no civilisation…..no society…..just compete disorganisation and mayham…….with no way of solving any conflict without someones feelings being set aside. And thats what women don’t get……somebodies feelings are always not considered……..as long as it’s the other persons feelings……they don’t care
“In addition to complying with the masculine desire for sex without strings, women today adopt a more masculine sensibility regarding issues of number of sexual partners, sexual variety, and sexual satisfaction.”
When did this become a “masculine desire” and “a more masculine sensibility”? This is a myth perpetrated by feminists, similar in vein to “all men are patriarchal oppressors”; that all men are out there having sex with all these women, and if you “liberate” yourself, you can have as much sex as a man…as if the power of consent was equal to both sides.
In other words the feminist fantasy is for women to have “Alpha Male” power, and as long as they’re giving it away, men will take it. And if men were having all this pre-revolution sex and oppressed women were not, who were these men having sex with?
Also, I might have doubted the rape fantasy theory until I experienced it myself with a few women who requested to be “taken”, “forced”, etc. as a sexual proclivity. And as a man it was NOT a turn on in any way to comply with their desire to have sex in this fashion. As a matter of fact it was creepy. But I wanted to satisfy them. I wanted to keep them. I loved them.
I think what’s also contributing to these positive feelings is the unreasonably broad definition of rape, meaning that these girls (I refuse to call them women anymore) are probably reacting to what a sensible society would consider consensual sex, but is defined here as rape.
In other news today:
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11158383/1/wal-mart-wins-in-sex-bias-case.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN
I guess patriarchy wins again!
About the only time I am happy to hear that Walmart has won anything
Indeed, this results in some cognitive dissonance for me as well. But in the end, if feminists are pissed, I am happy.
The dissenting opinion ( the 3 women and 1 mangina), said if you let mostly male managers decide who get’s promoted, the “human” bias these male managers have will cause discrimination against women company wide, it there is no corporate policy to prevent it from happening.
In other words women are a special class that require protection from our government as well as judicial systems, from men.
Oh boy! Talk about poking in a hornet’s nest.
This is, without a doubt, the most brutally honest and sober assessment of female sexuality. And you manage this all without being judgmental or condescending of the same.
Well done Paul, treating the hornet’s nest like a pinata 8).
Good article, very well written.
Good read. This article will surely piss off the feminist insects who cry wolf and peddle fraud.
I have always thought that the concept of what a rape is was constructed by men.
It is a witches brew (pardon the sexist pun) of personal guilt, chivalry on steroids, loathing about sex in any form and imagining themselves as having a vagina and fantasizing about what it would be like if it were violated. Also, rape laws come in all types of degrees, there is not just one type of rape. And of course attempted rape, whatever that could mean can get you a long prison sentence even if you never touched her privates at all! It would be nice and progressive to define rape in modern terms without the male angst and drama. Just my opinion.
Wild! Those wacky women. But I hope the author doesn’t mean to imply that the fact that many women fantasize about rape means that rape shouldn’t be taken as a serious crime. When it really is rape, that is, and not a man acting out a fantasy that the woman has requested. I agree with the commentators who suggest that men exercise extreme caution before agreeing to acting out such fantasies. Yes, women can be terrible liars after the fact, and as the False Rape Society has pointed out with example after example, any accusation of rape is treated by the cops as gospel, even if the woman’s story has serious holes in it.
Even though this is a fake study the reality isn’t far off.
The most recent rape study funded by the department of justice reveals (once again) that a significant number of women who had previously been raped continued to date their rapists and have sex with him.
One logical reason for this is that (as usual) the working definition of rape has been expanded well beyond the legal definition so as to included consensual sex.
But since feminists always defend their methods we are within the bounds of reason to surmise that a significant portion of women do in fact enjoy being raped and will come back for more.
As for the female “romance” novel industry. It does include story lines which involve both rape and sexual harassment as plot vehicles for female masturbatory fantasies.
If rape is the ultimate crime against women then why do they find it so enjoyable?
woohaa….. thats gonna hurt !!!
No not the rape..they enjoy it(proof above),..
I was referring to the Truth ;P
Just did a quick text search on the Freudian defense mechanism: Projection. Isn’t that what assertions on supposed ‘rape culture’ is? Isn’t that what this research suggests?
They want it, but they project their desires, on us? Jeezus…give it to us straight, girls, if you please.
Just to clarify…I was never one to swing that way. I came of age in the 80s, when we were taught that ‘no means NO.’ And I answered…’well…OK.’
Seems I misunderstood, and then missed out on a hellava lot. Guess its too late now. :-/
I just have to say – this article – the majority of the responses – the thoughts expressed therein… Where have you guys been all of my life?
Damn I’m glad to have found folks who view the world much in the way I do. You guys have made my month with this thread.
Never seen so many red thumbs lol
*shrugs*
They don’t mean shit. I don’t know why the femmies are bothering to do it,but if it keeps them too busy to white-knight or make false rape accusations,then I’m all for it.
I hope I get red-thumbed. I want feminists to waste their time and channel their sexist bigotry into a harmless and useless activity. Every time I get downvoted it buys real men one more second in the real world.
I hope they downvote the shit out of me.
What it suggests to me is that most of them probably weren’t really raped, either exaggerated or lied about it. Duh!
Well, so it would then be hypocritical to take the study seriously, while at the same time criticizing modern vague definitions of “rape”.
This paragraph is very academically creepy:
“It also calls into question whether the concept of “consent,” where it relates to sexual activity, is antiquated. Indeed it calls into question whether the concept of “rape,” in the literal definition, is just a cultural misconception for a male tendency to fulfill women’s desire for sexual excitement and thrills and women’s collective desire to see this accomplished.”
Okay, we get it. But you can only play by someone else’s rules for so long before it you started tripping over your own feet.
What an act is, is determined by the natures and relationships of those involved. i.e., by identity.
It is not determined by merely observing how people tend to be behaving and then saying, “Oh, well this word means this now.”. That is an anti-conceptual “realist” mentality, which has done away with principles and embraced relativism.
The proper response to such assertions is not cynical mockery, not deconstructionism from withinside the worldview of one’s opponents, but rather it’s a refusal to play the game at all on those terms. i.e., it doesn’t matter what you want to call “rape”, as force and consent are absolutes.
READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH YOU IDIOTS
Allow me to break it down for you. Women love strong men. Women love the idea that she’s aroused the desires of a man so much that he can’t control himself. That’s why they’re so damn angry these days. They get all the pains of being a woman (pregnancy, periods) AND all the pains of being a man (going to work, paying the bills)! LOL…P.S If my husband were to “rape” me as defined by this society…I would neither view it as rape, nor report it.
Sorry, but I am still waiting for you to break it down correctly. The first part you got mostly correct, especially about what women tend to want. But women are angry these days because so many of them have an attitude of entitlement that the world simply can’t (and damn well shouldn’t) deliver on.
Also, if you think that just going to showing up for your job and writing a check to the utility company constitutes all the pain of being a man, you are severely disconnected from reality. You have no clue what it is like to be a man.
LOL!!! DUH! Of course I have no clue. And you’re wrong about the “entitlement attitude” at least the part that the world can’t deliver on. If you paid closer attention you would see that the whole reason they demand more, is because the world is giving in, to every single one. Have you never heard the phrase “give them inch, they take a mile”. Seriously, women have nothing to complain about, yet they still complain. Now, I came here, because I’ve personally witnessed the abuse of men, and I’m tired of it. I’m here to support men, not start arguments.
Look, I just responded to what you wrote, which was vastly different than this post.
Go back and read what you said and it will help you keep up.
I think I’m right. I think feminists are very angry. They’ve heaped far more upon themselves than I’m sure they intended with all this feminism BS, and it’s too late to turn back now, so they’re blaming men for the woes that they suffer at their own hand. (I read angry harry’s page) Further more,…I listed 2 things about the pains of being a man (to which I was referencing the earlier times where women stayed home, men went to work)…you don’t have to take it as an all inclusive list.
I’d also like to add, that I’m here for my son…who will be a man one day, and if no one does anything about the abuse, manipulation and oppression men suffer now, then he will suffer far more than what you men today suffer.
And you are welcome to be here. I suggest you consider that many of the people here have been aware of these issues a good bit longer than you appear to.
Also that all of our words are subject to a good bit of scrutiny. That particularly applies to new people with a lot to say.
When you say something like “They get all the pains of being a woman (pregnancy, periods) AND all the pains of being a man (going to work, paying the bills)!” It is bound to be challenged, because it is not true. Women do not get all the pains of being a man.
Always be prepared to back up your statements or expect them to get chewed up.
Welcome to AVfM.
You’re right Paul…I should watch what I say…ESPECIALLY since I’m a woman on a male dominant web site. I WILL say this…I do have a pervasive sense of anger toward men, but it has nothing to do with feminism and EVERYTHING to do with allowing things to get to THIS point. Men are suppose to be strong, they’re suppose to stand up and fight, and they’re not suppose to sit idly by and watch their rights be stripped from them one by one. For instance, I’m not too happy that I’m here, but my husband isn’t. What’s it gonna take for him? You might say “personal experience” to which I would answer…he’s got it. (I’d like to point out that my husband has OUTSTANDING qualities, his complacency is his ONLY downside) He’s been through the court system, he’s been falsely accused of abuse, he’s been called “irresponsible” for having children with me, wherein if he could afford to have more kids then he should’ve taken that extra money and given it to the kids of his previous relationship, who hate him and wish he was dead JUST because their mother hates him! It’s why I’m here! I’ve seen the abuse UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL…not just with my husband but my brothers, and some of my sisters’ husbands. My brother lost his job and faces license suspension, contempt, and jail time because he’s fallen behind on his child support payments. WHO CARES if he doesn’t see his kids, who cares if his kids go without when they ARE with him because he can’t afford to provide for them when they are, just fork over that damn money and you’ll have your “freedom”! whatever THAT WORD MEANS for a man! I’m gonna be loud Paul…because I’m FED UP! Women can scarcely tolerate being looked at crooked but the things they expect a man to put up with is ASTRONOMICAL!
The ONE good thing about the pervasive divorce rate, is that divorced men meet other women and give them an up close and personal view into the abuses they suffer, which will in turn, turn her heart towards him..
Melissa, what you need to realise is that your own comments are a glaring example of the problem. You said “Men are suppose to be strong, they’re suppose to stand up and fight, and they’re not suppose to sit idly by and watch their rights be stripped from them one by one.”
Precisely, according to society, we should be divorced from our emotions, deny our own dignity and live up to an ideal where we only have worth as people based completely on a combination of our sexual prowess, ability to provide and ability to protect women.
Men in society who are battered (particularly by abusive women) are seen as losers who “got beaten up by a girl” and to be laughed about, or because women are seen as perpetually innocent victims; the abuse is seen as self defense.
We rail against the notion of a woman’s attire being seen as arbitrary consent, yet subliminally, the penis is seen as arbitrary consent. The belief is so pervasive that we not only see male children who are abused by female pedophiles as having undergone a rite of passage, but in at least 5 US states, has resulted in a situation where children as young as 12 can be raped by female pedophiles and then forced to pay them child support when it results in a pregnancy.
You claim that men “let” this happen and in doing so demonstrate a complete ignorance of the socialised policing of masculinity by both men and women.
Men are socially controlled through both men telling them to “man up” and more pertinent to your ignorant statement, by women’s hypergamy where they want a “real man”.
The thing is that “real men” gain alot of sexual prowess and sexual encounters as a reward for being the most proficient at protecting women and providing for them.
Men are socialised to meet the needs of women. So when women demanded certain things, men simply responded as providers by giving them those things- no matter how unreasonable.
Likewise the “white knights” have and still do rush in and blindly defend women, because men have been socialised into blindly protecting women.
In claiming men have “let this happen” you have acted no better than feminists who blame homeless men for “patriarchy”.
I would suggest that you get hold of “Masculinities in Politics and War” by John Tosh, Stefan Dudink and Karen Hagemann, as well as “The Myth of Male Power” by Warren Farrell. Both will give you a good starting point in terms of understanding both how we have come to define masculinity and the rampantly misandrist chauvinism present in it.
all the pains of being a man (going to work, paying the bills)!
You may have missed a few. here ya go, I’ll start for you:
1. Watching advertisements and shows which portray your entire gender as stupid or as violent criminals. Never the good guy.
2. When you are shown as the good guy, its only because you are useful to the women.
3. Being the only group (white and male) that it is impossible to discriminate against. (It’s called equal opportunity when that happens)
4. Being constantly worried that the girl you went home with last night will decide that you didn’t tickle her fancy quite enough and that she’d rather view the encounter as rape.
5. Having to constantly watch what you say, where you walk, who is watching because you’re worried that if you say the wrong thing, or you manage to find yourself alone with a women that you could be accused of a crime and go to jail because she ‘felt scared’.
I’m sure if you read around a bit more of this site, you’ll come up with several more pains of being male. Those above are the ones I deal with on a daily/weekly basis.
Thanks steve…if I thought seriously the sufferings of men was work and bills…do you REALLY think I’d be here in support of men? Do you really think “work and bills” is my concern for my son!? NO! it isn’t! It’s a concern far greater than that. I may not know what it’s like to be a man…but DAILY I read what men are put through at the hands of their own government, and women…and YOU missed a GREAT DEAL of the oppression men go through YOURSELF! .
1. working to support a kid you never see
2. financing the woman who wants to take your home and child.(thru atty fees, alimony and child support)along with her NEW LIVE IN BOYFRIEND!..
3. Subjected to supervised visits with your kids cuz mommy convinced them to say your a child molester!
4. Paying alimony to the woman who states she can make just as much as you!
5. being forced to put your kid through college regardless of whether or not you can afford it.
6. swearing she’s on birth control but really isn’t so she tricks you into having a kid you don’t want…but hey “her body…HER choice”
YEAH I GET IT…IT’S WHY I’M HERE!
I think you understand some of the issues… One that strikes me a utterly hypocritical (and personal:) is when it deprives other female children of family and income in order to defend against allegations of abuse, attorney’s fees and child support… I personally, am stupified that our Court system encourages separating a female child from her model half sisters then demands that the father pay more nearly 8x more for that child than what he receives in child support; which deprives the other two children of income… Rhetorically speaking, is the younger female child worth more than the two sisters? The mother of the child mentioned makes more than the father. How does this help anyone other than the mother who made the allegations?
I think I know what you’re talking about. Subsequent children v. prior born children right? Did you know that law was made to discourage you from having other children with other women? Yeah, that’s right…the woman can divorce you, get remarrried have more kids, divert all the income she wants to the child from her second marriage, but if the man does it…they pretend his other children don’t even exist! IT DISGUST ME! So women will say “my body my choice” but to a man she’ll say…”you shouldn’t be havin more kids if you can’t afford them” Then go ahead and try and say “but I didn’t want more kids” then some other “b” will come sayin “you should know ANY ACT OF SEX can result in a child!!!” I’m enraged at this whole aspect and I can tell you if I were a man…I feel I would’ve gone postal already!
oh and the abuse allegation factor…another reason I’m here…it’s rampant what these women are doing…and it’s sick! Something must be done, all I want to do is help. So many children growing up without fathers, so many men being pushed to the brink, and so many people who could care less! It’s why our society is degenerating!
Pretty much correct… The idea of feminism is allegedly to empower females. The oversight in this line of thinking is it is often at the expense of males. The courts abuse the ‘interests of the child’ to accomodate this agenda. Rhetorically speaking, what happens when this disempowers/victimizes female children? It seems to me that the courts are no longer upholding their obligation to the children or the family. Why?
women in general are inherently liberal. If they’re raising the children, then eventually we have a bunch a wussified adults on our hands. and with each successive generation that grows up like that, they can finally take away all of our rights because there will be no men who think like men. They’ll all be thinking like women and looking to someone or something else for protection.
I don’t necessarily agree. However, if the goal of feminists is equality and if equality does exist, then the distribution of children from divorce should be roughly equal… Sort of like the distribution of domestic assault statistics… And we would hear about dead beat Moms as frequently as dead beat Dads… But, that’s not the case… and I wonder why?
Perhaps you do get it. That remains to be seen. I am VERY suspicious of women who make noises like that.
I left the issues you talk about off my list because they aren’t issues I will have to deal with. How fucked up is that I decided at 25 years that I wanted nothing to do with women? What kind of society makes that the only logical, and more importantly the only SAFE, conclusion I can reach?
There you go, there’s another pain that only men have to deal with. The pain of realizing that your society hates you, not for something you have done, but for what you MIGHT do. The pain of realizing that the only safe way to live, is to suppress a lot of what makes you you.
I don’t think it’s f$ed up all steve…completely NORMAL as a matter of fact. I’m amazed the species continues…if I were a man…I wouldn’t touch a woman with a 10 foot pole much less a body part…I would deliberately choose “Gay”
No, my choice was rational. But it isn’t normal. It is completely fucked up. The society in which this is even an option is long passed its use-by date.
When men eventually do wake up, its going to be hell. I just hope I’m there, so I can laugh while it all burns.
yep, you’re right on the distinction, rational NOT normal.
Last paragraph: Right… In family court, there is no ‘innocence until proven guilty.’ But, I don’t think it is because society hates us, I think it is because we are so willing to go along with the social norms for the benefit of society… In other words, we’ve allowed ourselves to become useful idiots; mostly benefitting lawyers.
Well, if you want to help I would ask you to write your elected representatives and encourage your female friends to do the same.
yeah, I do write representatives, even went and visited one (a republican man) he was NO help, he said he “wishes he could change things”. I get the distinct feeling that something more than “writing a rep” may be in order….
oh…and there’s always my favorite…being FORCED TO SUPPORT A KID THAT’S NOT EVEN YOURS because the woman you married, cheated, and didn’t tell you! how could I forget that one!
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Jesus H Christ. Read the fucking article again, and this time pay attention.
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Nobody was. Nor will they ever on this website.
Okay, the majority of research that I’ve read talks about the majority of emotional problems coming from acquaitance rape coming from the cognitive dissonance associated with being forced to have sex, i.e. sex feels good, having freedom of choice taken away does not. In addition there is the added dissonance because we do live in a culture that encourages women to have rape fantasies. Have you ever watched a music video?
I don’t know what a “rape culture” is. However I do know that we live in a culture where consumerism is paramount. We live in a culture where images that encourage spending money are everywhere. What are images that encourage wasting money? The images that encourage money wasting trigger low brain thinking, fear, violence, and sex. It is not specifically aimed at women or men.
I thought, when I first saw this site, that it would be a wonderful thing showing the complexity of humanity and truth. The statements made by people here make it appear instead to be another wasted opportunity used to spread more anger, fear, and division between human beings; instead of intelligent discussion, honesty, and real connection. I am personally disappointed to find the same thing I could find on FOX News, or the majority of other mass media whose goal is to sell things, at least, in the articles I’ve read so far. Hopefully, this is not the way of this site. I was looking forward to something new.
I think that there was also a survey which showed that the majority of men who fantasized about raping woman also fantasized about being personally raped by men.
Did anyone actually finish reading the article? The point of it isn’t about women enjoying rape, it’s that all the “facts” in the article are based on false claims/percentages/quotes/etc?
Really guys? Always check the fucking sources, jesus. Consider me disappointed.
From the Admin: This moron attempted to post advocacy for sexual violence to this website. His message has been deleted, and his IP has been banned.
To you, sir, who attempted the post, I suggest mental health services in your area. That failing, I suggest religion or some other lubricant to help you pry your head out of your ass.
I think both women & men fantasize about such things, because they have a primal desire to explore the darkest side of their subconscious. Their unresolved issues with childhood trauma & so forth. It is tragic, though, that so many innocent people have been convicted, because of so many women’s unresolved issues. See Fraud’s Theories about this strange, hot topic issue. http://psychology1.knoji.com/untitled-article-729/
I tend to disagree with the MRA stance but I’m willing to consider fact-based arguments. I’m having a hard time confirming your leading “fact,” however. You cite Romeo, Felicia F. “Acquaintance Rape on College and University Campuses,” AAETS. Web. 22 Nov. 2010.” and assert that it says 57% of women surveyed felt positive or satisfied about being raped. I googled this article and found an article by the same name, with the same author, published by the same organization, but it doesn’t seem to say any of the things you claim it says http://www.aaets.org/article135.htm .
Is there more to the article somewhere, and if so can you link to it? Otherwise these (hard to believe) assertions seem non-fact-based.
You apparently missed the fact that this article was ironic, intentionally twisting the data in order to illustrate how many feminist ideologues twist data to reach grossly sweeping misandrist conclusions.
It is tongue-in-cheek, both ironic and sarcastic (dare I say, sardonic?).
How the HELL can anyone describe rape as “trivial”? You are either sick or incredibly mis-informed. Rape is not only physically damaging, it is mentally scarring for the victim, and their families. I think some commenters here need to get learning, seriously.
I wonder how many of you men have ever been raped? how then, can you sit there and make assertions about what women want and how it feels for a woman to be raped? until you grow a vagina, and someone forcibly penetrates it, you can really just keep your thoughts and opinions about rape to yourselves. thanks.
Actually as a man who has been raped by a woman as a part of an 18 month long ordeal of domestic violence I endured at her hands (serious “father issues” appear to have driven it, looking back), I do think it’s something which needs to be explored.
The fact is that you’re every bit the chauvinistic pig that you accuse others here of being.
You would be frothing at the mouth with rage if someone accused women of arbitrary consent based on how they dressed, yet look at your own rhetoric.
You say: “until you grow a vagina, and someone forcibly penetrates it,” to define the whole of rape. In doing so you have demonstrated glaring evidence of social attitudes towards rape against men – namely that rape can only exist as penetration. This in turn applies that an act of envelopment cannot be rape.
This in turn implies that a penis equates to arbitrary consent (and we can all make a highly educated prediction as to how you would react if someone claimed that a vagina, a clitoris or breasts equated to arbitrary consent). It is because of attitudes like yours that in some US states, children as young as 12 who are raped are forced to pay child support to their pedophile rapists, simply because they are boys and their pedophiles are women.
You cannot claim to take rape seriously when you are perpetuating the same vile stereotypes which stop it from being discussed properly.
While it’s an exercise in satire, through the issues raised, this article goes into some very “dangerous” territory. I use the term “dangerous” because what you’re talking about is “the big truth” vs “little truths” – something that came up in a modern history course I was doing in the first semester of this year.
The classic case is the debate over the “Stolen Generation” here in Australia. The big truth in that is that laws were passed that arbitrarily removed children from parents based on race, put them into brutal “homes” and then treated them like slave labour.
The “smaller truths” were that there were parents out there who abused their children and who did need to be removed by them and parents who due to economic hardship, voluntarily gave up their children.
However when these smaller truths came out, the larger truth then became denied (and I use that term deliberately as the policy was a form of ethnic cleansing).
The same situation exists here. Certainly these smaller truths exist, but they open up an interesting definition debate.
To begin with, the age of consent needs to be considered. Minors might look on it positively, but remember that people normalise abuse, particularly children. This is important to factor in in terms of pedophiles and their apologists entering the debate.
Once you get to adults though, things become complex. Is the positive view genuine or is it simply them diminishing their own ordeals to minimise shame?
If it was genuinely looked back on fondly and an experience that surprised them but they were ultimately a willing participant in, then it is not rape, but rather domination.
This in turn leads to, as the article pointed to, social attitudes towards women, including those perpetuated by feminism. Chauvinism has women as pure sexual innocents, as opposed to women who much like men, occupy the entire spectrum of sexual fetishes.
The fact is that a woman of mainstream sexual tastes is every bit as entitled to her sexuality as a mistress and conversely a slave is. However these later 2 do are still social taboos (however questions should be asked of what drives such extreme fetishes).
However there is a danger here. Rape by its very definition is an horrific ordeal of abuse, where consent is either withdrawn during it or never given to begin with. “Forced” fantasies are not rape when actualised, however the terminology most people have for forced sexual intercourse is “rape”.
What this article and the fallout from it illustrate is that despite our claims to the contrary, we are far from “liberated” sexually as a society as many people are dogmatically stuck by traditional sexual values without understanding the underlying reasoning behind them.
However there is a deeper and more universal issue present here. People want simple truths and black and white facts – what I would call “soundbyte history” as opposed to wanting to accept that things are never simple and almost always complex.
The danger with the current “soundbyte history” on this subject is that it enables female pedophiles and rapists and shames those with less socially accepted fetishes into hiding them and oppresses them for it.
Conversely the danger with this side of things gaining mainstream acceptance is that it could become “soundbyte” whereby the horrific nature of what rape is and the scars it causes, become trivialised, dismissed and invalidated. Such is the nature of contentious issues sadly…
I am trying very hard not to be rude, so please don’t take it that way. But what about children who are raped? Does this article state that female children liked being raped? I think that, on a topic non-related to children, everyone is entitled to their fantasies. But acting them out with a consensual partner is the issue. Consent, for me, is the issue. I don’t really care what you think, as it is your opinion and I can’t change it, I’m simply stating that consent, for me, is the line between rape and acting out fantasy.
Read the last few paragraphs, CLOSELY.
The fantasie of the rape is absolutely other think than the really experience of the rape. Sacher Masoch want to be umiliate from a women since it is happened.
I think that the men is excited by the raape of the woman, when a women (celebrity) declare that she was raped it grow her sex appeal because the men understand that she is very desireable. This for what some actress lie and said that she was raped.
Interesting demonstration of how speech and facts can be manipulated. Maybe one of the reasons why feminism is successful is the declining of reason and logic that came with post modernism.
It would now seem that feminism is on the decline.
Has “Feminist” Become A Dirty Word?
http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/05/01/has-feminist-become-dirty-word/
This is the most offensive thing I’ve read in years.
If it wouldn’t traumatize the victims, I’d sincerely encourage you all to go out and “fullfil” some rape fantasies with strangers so we could finally imprison you people.
I’m a heterosexual white male. I have sex frequently. Shockingly, I still manage to believe that rape is rape.
Good luck. Your wife is cheating on you. It’s your fault.
http://www.aaets.org/article135.htm
Should I find it strange that the study you’re citing (linked above) makes none of the claims you claim it does?
Not if you bothered to read the last few paragraphs of the article.
They go to all the trouble of looking up the studies you cite yet they do not read the entire article?
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If criticism can be made on this article: it is too subtle. You will need to repeat “read it again, and this time try to understand it” too many times. Some people (too many) will read the title, a couple of paragraphs and then rush to comment, fueled by righteous fury.
I would maybe change the title as it might be misleading to passers-by.
This was Paul’s response to Harald K a little earlier in the comment thread.
That was kind of the point, though. Why should I give them anything more than the article? If they won’t read the whole thing and attempt to understand it, screw ‘em.
You are fucking idiots to believe this pile of horse shit. I bet they guy who got his ass strapped to the bed with the curling iron shoved up his ass and left on loved that shit too.
I had to read this article three times before I figured out that it was not pro-rape, and even so, I find it hard to believe that wasn’t your intention. It doesn’t matter what feminist conspiracies you’re trying to uncover, it’s dangerous to write pro-rape stuff, because as you can see, the pro-rape crowd is here to cheer you on. Good luck with that.
I think YOU are pro-rape.
“what feminist conspiracies you’re trying to uncover,”
Here’s one!
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/male-disposability-and-mary-p-koss/
I’m sure the real pro-rape feminist crowd was cheering Mary Koss on with that one.
Dear Tools! Thanks for proving that feminism is still important.
Dear Shady,
Thanks for proving feminists still can’t read.
Important to who? Those who deal in reality or those who let emotions drive them?
nevermind realized the whole point was to be controversial to prove a point about citation or something
So, where’s the proof that “feminist ideologues” are engaging in the academic dishonesty that you “illustrated” here?
Here’s one!
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/male-disposability-and-mary-p-koss/
Here’s another!
http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2013/05/18/the-the-most-balanced-gender-studies-textbook-available/
And another!
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf
Thanks to some femmiroid getting her knickers in a knot I am reading an outstanding article I didn’t know existed and laughing my ass off at the fruit bar. Thanks sista you brought it back to the front page where it belongs.
A Hall of Fame selection for sure. It was a boring Sunday afternoon up until then.
I invite everyone who looks at this essay to review this author’s sources. He cites this source http://www.aaets.org/article135.htm (“Acquaintance Rape on College and University Campuses” by Felicia F. Romeo) as evidence to say, “The study of female rape victims concluded that the majority – 57% – of women who were raped on college campuses, reported feelings that were described as “positive” and “satisfied,” about the experience,” (straight from Elam’s article). Upon reading Romeo’s article I can found nothing to support this by Elam. A great misinterpretation of an article perhaps? I encourage you to see for yourself.
Perhaps you should have actually read Elams article in full, and you would not have missed this in your rush to condemn the article.
“All this should be considered, however, with the caveat that the Romeo study found no results whatsoever as presented in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this article”
So I know that you’re not really advocating for rape because I actually read your article, but wouldn’t a better way of proving how feminists use this “academic fraud” be actually pointing it out in an article written by a feminist, rather than saying it as an afterthought in an extremely inflammatory piece that you wrote yourself? I’m a feminist but I like people who challenge my ideologies…I just expect them to at least do a good job at it rather than writing something that is so hard to interpret that it gathered a crowd of “Yeah bitches love rape!” instead of critical thinkers willing to find the real flaws in feminism that aren’t completely unfounded and based on stereotypes.
We do those too. Thanks for visiting; you should browse the archives, where you’ll find plenty to challenge your ideologies.
please excuse my grammer, I’m deaf and like many any sciencist and doctors, we flank english grammers. To express the matter from what I understand from studing biology coming from sex. Rape pretty much is like stealing food to complex of biology that pull strings of our conscience. People have this attitude exactly like when people stole food, only the state want it utterly “CRIMICAL ACT” to sastify their stastic or budge.
I’m very femine boy, in most of my years, I’ve frequency seen girls/women want to rape me. it doesn’t matter how old they are, sex drive that start demending cuddle protein to unleash another protein that make people utterly strong altogether, start around kindergarten. it’s not surprise if system harass people about feelings, it scar children of their natural wanting n taught them it’s a virus to be friendly, especially children at 1 can be smart enough to know their action can affect another’s lifestyle by accident and work their way to avoid it. Rude if u ask me
it is disappoint that when it come to people trying to step forward for everybody’s freedom to cuddle, they’re being attack for perv or rape or pedophilies (ALL PEOPLE, ANIMALS, INSECT, PLANT HAVE THIS, period) when girls try to express their natrual instact, people instandly show up to make a melodramatic of feminies define became femine>masculine, when guys try to express, of course being corked by femine < masculine by some another bigots that want everywhere to be their heaven
when girls tried to rape me, I talk to them out of it but if I find them cute, no reason to resist what I tried to get, especially in cockblocker appreciation era. I had my share of tried to rape somebody at my pre-teen, those feeling rage tend to brust when u lack of what you biology needs (back in day, I try too hard to be christian virgin, no actually relationship. too busy trying to resist urge) this only taught me to masturbate more and apology to them. half didn't take it bad but some other who take monopoly serious (that type I noticed most) had emotion attack, only to due about how other 'think' about them.
let face it, if you research the root of feeling and your biology collecting the protein from so. it only made it seem like people who complain about society objectfy women, are people who really objectfy them and can afford (being republican rich) actor n actress for many scenio that any of our feeling will lead to unwanted chao. it is pathetic, their news already turn into a daily advertisement in back of our heads, trying to sell our cooperate into sexual frustrate trap
did any of you morons actually read the last paragraph of the article
1) Fixation on a past traumatic experience is a trauma response, not a result of how much a person loved the experience. 2) Rape fantasies do NOT equal actual rape! There is consent involved in acting out a fantasy, even a violent one. There is NO consent when a rape occurs. A woman could be interested in a rape fantasy acted out with a consenting partner, and that has absolutely nothing to do with “wanting” to be raped. Women asking for rape is a sexist, victim-blaming myth. This is one of the most ridiculous, inaccurate articles I’ve ever read.
Are you braindead or just illiterate? READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE specifically the last paragraph. Paul elam was showing how destructive It is to manufacture evidence by citation
100 % agree with you! sex is about consent and vicitm blaming has happened so much in our society that people will refuse to go even get raped test i know a man who is a friend of mine who was raped and was afraid of what would happen to him socially so never told anyone for years until my roommate was dating him and he was emotionally scarred by it
i dislike this article myself greatly. I like it a bit rough myself but would never consider it rape unless someone took me when i did not want it for i did not agree with it and people have a right to choose what happens to their bodies!
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
” i dislike this article myself greatly.”
Did you read it before you disliked it?
Do you do that with movies, books, people, restaurants….
How out of touch with reality must a person be to confuse sexual fantasy with reality, and especially to think that sexual fantasy can override the basic manners by which human beings interact? Somewhere out there is a half-baked moron nodding his head as he plans to assault innocent people, or a group of half-baked morons who are laughing their asses off.
Great fucking article!!
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Women, and men, may enjoy rape fantasies, but having been raped, I can assure you it was IN NO WAY enjoyable – it left me scarred for life. Having said that, I am not particularly a feminist, as feminists are frequently chauvinists with ovaries instead of testes. A fantasy is just that, an unreal imagining of a thing, not factual. Even rough treatment by one party to another in a sexual encounter has to be discussed beforehand, to ensure that boundaries are maintained and there is no damage done (damage can relate to psychological and emotional as well as to physical). Rape is not even about sex, despite the use/abuse of sexual organs, it’s more about power and domination, the subjugation of one by the violence, threatened or real, of another. More than 50% of male rapists don’t ejaculate, so it can’t be just for the gratification. It also needs to be noted that men have been subjected to rapes in different circumstances, and not only by other men. If people had more respect for others and less desire to dominate through fear, rape would be a more uncommon occurrence. But let me reiterate – victims of genuine rape DO NOT ENJOY IT. Not at all. Gentlemen, please get your understanding out of your pants and into your heads, and you’d realize the truth of the matter.
Read the last paragraph,you obviously don’t know what satire is
Probably she’s still suffering from the trauma.
“Rape is not even about sex, despite the use/abuse of sexual organs, it’s more about power and domination, the subjugation of one by the violence, threatened or real, of another”
Feminist claptrap !!!!
The feminists, currently and as always, are trying to ratchet the legal definition of “rape” – whatever *that* is at the moment – up to the University definition, which is always itself expanding to make the Blob look like the Incredible Shrinking Man. Men, MRAs, and sanity have nothing to discuss with feminists, as the latter’s terms shift at any moment and way that might confer leverage in any “discussion”. That’s one reason the Greeks called the cores of such creatures “moving wombs”.
LOL. The more these drop-byers whine about rape, the more they unwittingly prove the point of the article:
“These items, indeed this entire article, are illustrative examples of what Murray Straus identified as “Evidence by Citation” and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by feminist ideologues.”
If these feminists cannot see “academic fraud” when it is exposed to them by example, then how much more unlikely can they see the fraud itself. They are a parody unto themselves.
They believe what they want and never question.
Such is the power of belief ! Frightening !
Yup: A current discussion going on Farks main page
http://www.fark.com/comments/7757528/84306520#c84306520
I have tried to respond to your post twice. Grrrrr.
Perhaps the spam filter does not like Fark.
Here is a tinyurl that I hope goes through.
This is a current discussion on Farks Main Page
http://tinyurl.com/bcpuxwh
This is going to look stupid when 3 posts show up saying exactly the same thing.
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Thankfully, nobody here cares what you think.
I am glad you enjoyed my work here. Feel free to browse the site for more examples.
“And to any woman who agrees with this article. . .” Do you mean any woman who agrees with the last two paragraphs of the article, or any woman who agrees with everything except the last two paragraphs?
Indeed, looking at some of the recent responses to this article, there is a SERIOUS lack of reading comprehension.
Do you need any more proof that education has been dangerously dumbed down ?
Neither. Read. the. whole. thing. Now open your dictionary and look up the word “satire.” Now reread the article.
Sheesh.
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While I doubt it’s created any real destruction at all, or caused anyone to do anything (except fulminate, as you are) the damage done by SERIOUS articles exactly like this only demonizing men and making women look angelic are legion, and have caused widespread massive destruction for decades.
If you want to overcome your own prejudices, you may want to read this: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
But of course if you want to stay with your comfortable prejudices, that’s your choice.
“take this down or move your final two paragraphs to the beginning.”
No! Deal with that.
“people don’t read to the ends of articles”
I’m a people. I do. Don’t you dare speak for me again, Feminist Slop.
“you’ve probably instigated the kind of destruction you’re trying to satire”
Guilt. Guilt. Guilt.
Fuck Off Bitch.
If you’re interested in learning something and overcoming your own prejudices, may I suggest you read this? http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
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No, in other words, you got punked and you’re butthurt over it. As was clearly just explained to you, the piece is satire meant to expose to you and make you understand that a lot of what you read about men is as inaccurate as this stupid satire piece. Got it?
Here, this may help you further: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
http://www,youtube.com/watch?v=E2BGsqtY1o0
“So basically, you actually have ZERO evidence to back up your bitter, harmful, hateful and preposterous claims. In otherwords, you are just a fucking douche.”
So basically, you are a BIG ZERO having missed the point.
And not very original in the name calling department, you squinty-eyed-scrotum-cheeked knee-dweller.
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@CircuitB: “What do you think the percentage of rapists is amongst the “A Voice for Men” writers?”
A. Why none of course.
What a strange question…. unless you are a feminist of course in which case you would assume all men are rapists.
“maybe I should get my own blog”
Before you fuck off and do that, Benny, your feminist buddies believe that given enough time, you will rape one of them. Chew on that buddy and clue-up for fucks sake.
Consider the other possibility: most of the articles you read on rape are as wrong and stupid as Paul’s article, except Paul’s was intentional satire to make that very point. Once again, try this, it may help you: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
Here’s a perfect example of the type of reporting this article satirizes.
http://formingthethread.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/one-in-three-military-women-raped-really/
I can say, as a woman who served in the military, I never felt safer, I never knew of any fellow service women being raped (and I was in a position to) even though I served during the pre feminist days of “any thing goes”.
One in Three Military Women Raped – Really?
I have also never knowingly served in the same unit with any woman who was a victim of Military Sexual Trauma (MST). Within my assigned units, no woman ever reported a rape to me. No friend ever confided the experience of rape to me. No one ever told me about the rape experience of their friend, co-worker, or subordinate. The sum total of my direct personal experience with rape in the military is this: two cases of false rape accusations in two different units that I was in (both accusers were caught in lies and recanted), and one rape/murder case in a neighboring unit, involving an estranged married couple.
So – was I totally oblivious to the one in three women around me who had been raped? Was I just in miraculous units where that kind of thing never happened? I don’t think so, so I decided to find out where this rather large statistic was coming from.
Here’s the article that first clued me in to the one in three statistic, citing a study called “Factors Associated With Women’s Risk of Rape in the Military Environment.” The paper is 12 pages long; I read it. The most important problem with the study is that the surveyed sample is not scientifically random, and is very small compared to the overall number of living female veterans.
Have a look: among the nation’s estimated 1.5 million female veterans, only veterans who use the VA health care system were considered (please note that 87% of veterans are not – NOT enrolled in the VA health system), and of those, only women who served between 1961 – 2003, and of those, only 25% were randomly invited to be interviewed, and of those, only 25% self-selected by agreeing to participate… and that number – 558 non-random, non-representative, partly self-selected women – is somehow assumed to be valid when extrapolated to cover the experiences of 1.5 million veterans and, presumably, 205,000 active-duty women. This is not good science!
To confirm my impressions that the numbers are amiss, I need look no farther than the VA itself, which reports that that among women who are screened at VA health centers, only one in five report MST. And again, a word of caution: that is also not a scientifically random or representative sample.
In the intelligence field, we sometimes see “circular reporting,” when folks start citing each other as “sources,” making it seem that there is a lot of reporting out there confirming some initial report, but in reality… when you start following the string… all of the citations lead back to one source, which may not have been very good in the first place. Well, that’s what’s happening here.
I found the one in three figure cited in The Huffington Post. I clicked the link and it took me to the US Department of Labor, which attributed that figure to “Foster & Vince, 2009.” Ah, I thought, these are different authors; did a different study reach the same conclusion? I hunted down Foster and Vince, and found their citation of that figure in their 136-page report, and that led me to a footnote, which directed me to… uh-oh… a CBS News Report, which cites the figure but does not explain where the number came from. Again, this is not good science nor is it good research. I have seen the same number, without any attribution, or simply “a 2003 study,” cited in The Guardian, NPR, Color Lines, Catholic Online, and a number of other publications. Repeating it a lot doesn’t make it true, folks.
Now – don’t get me wrong. The fact that the phenomenon exists at all is a huge disciplinary, morale, and readiness problem, a crime that must be dealt with. All I am saying here is that women’s advocates do not do themselves any favors by repeating outlandish figures like this, because when the audience’s belief is strained, you just may lose your credibility – and their interest.
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How many women have you raped, Vet? One in three?
He rapes anything that moves on two legs.
Or four, if it looks like a kitten.
Blenderape!
“A formal scientific divorce is in order.”
Got eugenics in your dark heart, feminist?
P.S. You could not have read the whole article and made that kind of a statement, liar.
“We are not of the same species.”
Oh, thank you so much. I wouldn’t want to be. Seriously.
You guys actually had me worried for a moment there, but it would seem like at least one of you made it past the headline, before throwing your opinion out there.
Too bad you didn’t make it past the first paragraph, thou’.
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Those of us who are survivors, know survivors, and have worked with survivors know a lot more about this than you may think. You should probably read thisa; http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
Listen up, Billy Bullshit,
It is evident that you didn’t read the article.
“it can be used by those with malice in their hearts.”
How’s that?
How is it that you “just graduated from a top Master’s program” and you are still so mediocre in your critical thinking skills?
What YOU are saying here is LYING about violence against women is OK; they want it.
Well, sir, speaking as just one women – I DON’T WANT YOUR SHIT.
Well intended people used to advise me not to mention I served in the military. You know – women in the military have a “certain” reputation (lesbian-whore-nymphomaniac-out-to-trap-a-husband about covers it).
You’re a “nice” girl, I don’t want someone thinking badly about you”.
I never heeded that advice. I WAS a “nice” girl and I stubbornly wasn’t going to allow someone else’s bad behavior to tarnish or shame me from denying the thing in my life I am most proud of; a woman who served my country.
…until now. “1 in 3 women serving in the military have been raped”.
“Spunky”, “daring”, “brave” used to be the descriptors.
Now I’m a presumed rape victim. Bleh. Lesbian-whore-husband trapper is a more preferable misconception to “victim”. Accuser. Liability. Weak. Helpless.
Talk about falling from grace. From asset to a liability. From defender to defenseless. From heroine to victim. From independent to needing Big Daddy Government to step in and “save” me from epic raping animals who USED to be considered honorable men putting their life on the line in defense of their country.
All based on lies from a faulty study.
White Knights and feminists, you did what NO women hater could ever do – made me ashamed of being perceived a weak, worthless woman. A Military Servicewoman who couldn’t even defend herself much less her country.
Thanks….and fuck you.
Incitement to violence? See I’m not really worried about that because I was raised by a violent man; a seriously maladjusted person who had grown up in a violent home himself. I’m pretty confident he didn’t hurt us just because he read in some spoof article that kids love being whacked. Is some dodgy skim reading all it takes for a man to become violent, sexually or otherwise? Stop and think for a minute which sex is being denigrated by your line of reasoning.
Next…
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Faith B. misses the point of the article.
Faith B takes her shit and monkeys-along.
“Should a rape victim read this article, she may well be lead to falsely believe that her rape encounter was nothing of the sort which will thus evoke yet more sentiments of shame.”
In other words you don’t know but you are going to flap your yap anyway.
Next…
Faith, the great thing is that although being sexually assaulted was shit, it didnt damage my reading comprehension or IQ. So one less person you need to be concerned about.
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Please do yourself a favor and read this: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
You’ve been deceived for much of your life and not known it.
“The reason I did not report it was twofold. I was fighting for custody of my children, which I shouldn’t have had to given that I was a good wife and mother, had never been unfaithful or done anything illegal, and because this man was supposedly a member of good standing in this community that I had just moved into.”
You didn’t report it, leaving a rapist on the loose to rape other women.
How fucking NOBLE of you.
You didn’t report it because you were fighting for custody as the perfect wife and mother, while a rapist on crack is a “member in good standing in this community”.
What community did you move into? Trailer Trash R US?
Love it, got the classic “three fer” Single mom fighting for custody. Rape prone Military woman. Didn’t report but wants full rape victim status.
If YOU are so fucking worried about damage done to victims, then WHY did you let a rapist off the hook to rape and “damage” other women?
HE was on crack? Or YOU were on crack while fighting for custody, which would indeed make it difficult to report a crime you shared in.
As one women who served in the military to another – please peddle this story elsewhere. This is NOT your venue.
I regret that I have only one thumbs up per reply.
Awesome 100%
NO-MEANS-NO
“I was astonished to read all of these reply’s.”
I don’t believe that you read better than 250 replies and generated a comment like the one you did. Liar!
And, did you read the article?
No!
Now GTFO!!
“Yes. there are women that cry rape when it isn’t but then, there are all kinds of people reporting all levels of false crime every day”
Very few false accusations leads to twenty years of imprisonment of innoncent individuals, with the prospect of being subjected to daily rapes, when it becomes known why they’re there. I can’t think of any other crime, actually, beyond victims of false rape allegations, actual rapists, and pedophiles. How’s that for PTSD in your book? At least let the conviction of the one making the false allegations equal the victims unjust sentence, and I’m sure we’ll see the last of these very quickly.
But as long as the genders are held to different standards for the same crimes, by way of laws made by feminist indoctrinated lawmakers, these kinds of false accusation crimes will continue.
You only need to switch the gender’s to get an idea of how fast such a change would happen, if women were on the receiving end of the stick.
“If you trivialize rape because of how you feel about them, or if you do it out of ignorance about the damage it does to victims, or because of those who falsely cry rape, then you are no better than they are.”
The MHRM has never attemptet to trivialize rape. It’s a horrible crime by any standard, no matter who the victim is. The trivialization of rape is a completely natural consequence of not holding false rape accusers responsible for their accusations, while continuously expanding the definitions of what constitutes rape.
At the moment it is considered rape if a newly-wed , slightly intoxicated husband attempts to have sex with his equally slightly intoxicated bride after the wedding party, and that’s just for starters.
Another example is the way young male graduates are being vilified and ejected from their educations on the mere say so of female accusers, even though said accuser have a substantiated long history of false rape accusations. When the false rape accuser later admits to her lies, the male student is still not allowed to proceed with his education, and is forever labeled a rapist in the public eye.
If anything, the trivialization of the damage done to the victims of false rape accusations seems to be a far more consistent theme in any western society, and you can’t even open a paper or watch the news anymore, without seeing another man being set free on new DNA evidence.
Makes you wonder how many men that are still incarcerated, because some woman had “issues” or just a “bad day”, doesn’t it?
And if you look at the stats pertaining to alleged ‘rapists’ set free, that’s seems to be another reccuring theme, doesn’t it??
Holding _other_ women responsible for their actions might be a solution to some of this, in order for you to be able to report a very real rapist, (-which I still can’t fucking believe you didn’t do!), without being “ostracized” in you local community, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.
Mainly because YOU DON’T SEEM TO HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT TWENTY YEARS OF DAILY RAPES WILL DO TO A PERSON, as a consequence of being convicted for a crime you didn’t commit.
YOU are the one trivializing rape. If someone stole your purse or your car – or even just blocked your driveway – would you be here saying you didn’t report it because you were in a custody battle and the thief was a member in good standing in the community?
As my mother – and Shakespeare – always said;
Who steals my purse steals trash…..
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.
Slowly but surely feminist are adding a whole new definition to the term: “Illiterate”.
1: having little or no education; especially: unable to read or write
2 a: showing or marked by a lack of familiarity with language and literature
b: violating approved patterns of speaking or writing
3: showing or marked by a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular field of knowledge
4: an ardent believer in feminist ideology and dogma, unable to comprehend and process writing beyond headlines.
Scrolling back on recent replies to this article, largely a bunch of one-hit femonkeys pinching a stool and running back up their collective tree.
-Only rarely interrupted by the ones who go on insanely long, angry, and completely pointless rants, even though the whole point of the article is explained to them.
Overall conclusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
So, a study made through interviews on campus students, which’s citation and the definition of rape it used aren’t found anywhere, somehow related to a survey on women’s rape fantasies, leads us to the conclussion that women want to be raped, and all we men do is just fulfill those wishes. And we put that conclussion in the title of our article, so as to make sure everyone has the same interpretation.
No, my good sirs and ladies. We can’t call into question the concept or “rape culture” and state such conclussions in the same article. Assuming that it is only natural that women want to be forced, is the basis of the theory of rape culture. It just means our society doesn’t condemn rape as we think it does.
Feminism these days is a battleground between those that truly want equality, (weather they know how to achieve it or not), and those that disguise their hatred in it. But to propose that feminists must be angry about the notion that the kind of sex they like implies being submissive, is off the mark. Not all subjects lead back to sex.
Some women fantasize about being roughly treated during sex, some have tried it and like it. But it isn’t the same as wanting anyone force them, nor does it mean they will enjoy it. Even if we knew for a fact that some will, it must still be taken into account for any conclussion that comes into mind, that some women DON’T.
I personally know feminists who are okay with liking rough treatment during sex: they just know it is fiction, role play, and that it is consensual sex. So long as both parts agree to play any role during sex, it is just. And some women enjoy both that, and being dominating from time to time. As some men like both things from time to time.
Some men like being whipped during sex, but you don’t see them offering themselves as slaves so they get more whipping.
Well the article is garbage; can’t tell (rape) from (rape fantasy, rough sex, etc.). But the picture was lovely. Her dress is very flattering.
I suppose many have read through only part of the article because the satire borders on believable – there are people out there who might write such a thing and mean it. So a person (one who considers rape a realistic threat in their life or possibly a victim already) reading this could easily get frightened and worked up by the first statements, which would lead to sloppy reading/ bad reading comprehension -> missing the point.
So please don’t trash anyone for getting agitated by the article. It’s hard to stay objective and rational with such a personal subject.
“So please don’t trash anyone for getting agitated by the article. It’s hard to stay objective and rational with such a personal subject.”
Bullshit. If a past victim is so traumatized by the article that she can’t finish it, she needs to accept that her emotions are interfering with her ability to think and behave rationally. Then she needs to back away and get a hold of herself before she acts out. It is not society’s job to protect people from their fears, and it’s certainly not our job to shield them from the consequences (in this case well-earned ridicule) of their own irrational behavior – like throwing screeching tantrums and hurling unfounded accusations.
Here at AVfM we do what almost nobody else does; we give the presumption of personal agency. Unlike feminist culture, we treat them as if they are adults who are capable of controlling their words and their actions, and who can consciously choose whether to be informed or ignorant. We do not treat them as if they are mentally defective and just can’t help it.
Anybody who wants to have a credible voice in the discussion of an article, owes the other participants (not to mention the author) the courtesy of, you know, ACTUALLY READING THE DAMN ARTICLE! This shouldn’t be too much to ask, but apparently it is.
Unless
You
Read
The
Article
From
Top
To
Bottom
STFU
or I will
Fuck Your Shit Up.
LMFAO! This whole topic is so emotion laden that people’s reasoning gets paralyzed !
These items, indeed this entire article, are illustrative examples of what Murray Straus identified as “Evidence by Citation” and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by feminist ideologues. They were presented here as an example of their destructive use.
DEDICATED TO THOSE THAT ARE WILLFULLY BLIND
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“What absolute cock rot. I read the source he supposedly got his information from and it says nothing of the sort. It’s sad how many men out there seem desperate for any justification they can grasp at for their desire to be able to treat women in a sexually violent way.”
That’s the point. Read the last two paragraphs
Try reading this for starters, since you apparently didn’t get the satire in the main article, and all will be revealed, dimwit:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
Yes, I know, actually reading the WHOLE article is so boooring, but it might incite you to consistently fact check the persistent claims from feminist about men, from now on.
And thank you for adding yet another hit to the rapidly growing visitor list.
It’s sad how many men out there seem desperate for any justification they can grasp at for their desire to be able to treat women in a sexually violent way.
It’s even sadder how many brainwashed women seem desperate for any justification they can grasp at for their desire to be able to call ALL men rapists and evil, so much so that they don’t even spare their own sons!
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Subtlety. Reading comprehension. Satire. The need to read a short article in its entirety before formulating a conclusion and writing an angry response. Awareness of feminist practice. The point.
All of these things and more remain mysteries beyond the ken of yet another reader.
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If this article was a comprehension test you like many others who have commented here would get a big zero !
We’d have to flunk the entire educational system.
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Didn’t even bother reading the whole thing did you? Here this may help you: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
Wow, such diligence.
Now if people would only do this for things feminists assert we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in, dealing with something far larger and more pervasive and far more destructive because it never gives you any indication that it’s bullshit and it rubs your feelies the right way.
Now if people would only do this for things feminists assert we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in, dealing with something far larger and more pervasive and far more destructive because it never gives you any indication that it’s bullshit and it rubs your feelies the right way.
ABSOLUTELY ! This is what the article was driving at. But then if feelings are the only things are matter it’s natural to be oblivious of one’s own bullshit no matter how much it stinks!
*Sighs!*
Last paragraph of the article which you apparently didn’t bother to read, before posting:
“These items, indeed this entire article, are illustrative examples of what Murray Straus identified as “Evidence by Citation” and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by feminist ideologues. They were presented here as an example of their destructive use.”
Hope you at least learned to fact check, next time you hear the feminist claim about 1 in 4 women being raped.
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Men are not rape machines. They are not going to rape because an article ostensibly said “women enjoy rape”.
Peddle your hatespeech elsewhere.
I dont think rapists look for permission anywhere, which is exactly why they are rapists to begin with.
agree with everything except the last sentance. Overall, your comment doesnt deserve so many dislikes.. its a fair perspective in a open discussion.
If I watch a television show, or a movie, or read a book, does the content give me “permission” to do anything?
No. Absolutely not.
Margaret Fisher is being manipulative in that she is being intellectually dishonest.
And she knows it!
She earned my down-vote on the basis of her last sentence alone.
Oh. My. God. This would be fucking hilarious if it weren’t so fucking tragic.
So, Paul. Your demonstration of the complete “dumbing down” by the New World Order illuminati lizards was a success.
We’re all fucked.
It is difficult to know with any great degree of certainty, but my sense is that a great number of these drones were not even born prior to the whistle blowing of Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt.
You are not fucked, 100%. I am not fucked either. Fucked are these drones; sad is that they have little, if any insight into just how fucked they are and will become, in that they will hardly know what you and I have enjoyed in this one-shot-ride called Life. And what of their children, and the children of their children, if feminism is not checked on this gender-battlefield now.
According to Paul, better than ten thousand people tuned into this article. We only heard from the ones who largely felt the need to display their utter ignorance.
I’m hopeful. This article woke some of the readers right the fuck up. I believe in exponentiality. This, for me, is what hard fought for success looks like. And then there is tomorrow
but still to the question . is it rape if you shout surprise first ?? but very interesting article indeed
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/study-91-of-mothers-abuse-children-fathers-7/
Keep the comments coming folks. I’m enjoying the outrage.
Where’s Loy Finley when you need him?
They’re ALL Loy Finleys, each on his or her own.
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Not a tenth as irresponsible as decades of misinformation about men (and women) that ideologues who use these techniques use on a daily basis, in thousands upon thousands of articles, news stories, papers, etc.
Kind of unsettling when the shoe’s on the other foot, isn’t it?
Around here, “unsettling” is good.
nictusempra: This is known as: fighting back
Wow. Dozens of commenters discussed (or screamed about) the contents of this article, and one single person had both the intelligence and the grace to return and said, “Never mind.” One.
ha ha this is an instant classic! perfectly executed for maximum outrage; the perfect venus fly trap!
Can someone direct me to the original article. I can’t seem to find it.
Did you read the article at the top of this page?
Is it just me or are they getting stupider?
It’s like the Outrage main line just loaded back up to go to town and now we’re left with the Outrage short bus brigade.
And all the pods are milling about on our front lawn, some trying to get in but pulling on a door that is clearly marked “push.”
“Is it just me or are they getting stupider?”
[The way you phrased your comment brought a much needed laugh. Thanks Asha.]
Definitely, we were getting 2nd and 3rd stringers near the end of it there.
My sense is that they had to be coming out of some common staging area.
By and large, their goal was to talk at AVfM and register their communal discontent.
I think I may have detected at least two cases of mid-stride name-changing yesterday.
There will definitely be more of this in the future. Mr. Elam and Company will see to it.
Fake Article.All claims false. On purpose to prove a point.
Im confused… This is a joke article? The second to last paragraph reads “All this should be considered, however, with the caveat that the Romeo study found no results whatsoever as presented in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this article, and the fact that the Kale & Weiser and Fisk studies are not extant.”
Confusion can be a natural reaction after having read this article, unless of course, you open the “academic fraud” link in the last paragraph.
Did you do that?
Some of the comments in this thread are extremely ignorant.
1. The vast majority of rapes are not of the “I changed my mind halfway through” variety
2. The right to say “no” at any stage of the proceedings is sacrosanct. If you keep fucking someone after they ask you to stop (unless there is a prearranged safe word other than “stop”), then you are raping the person. The fact that occasionally there may be a woman who says no even though she means yes does not justify “accidently” raping someone because YOU thought they really meant yes.
3. Deprivation of liberty, restraint against one’s will, and forced sex, are SHOWN BEYOND ANY DOUBT to be traumatic experiences with lasting psychological impacts. Rape is NOT just unwanted sex.
“Some of the comments in this thread are extremely ignorant.”
Very much like yours, which has no relevance to the article.
Did you read it, Max?
Can you read, Max?
Very much like yours, which has no relevance to the article.
Did you read it, Max?
Can you read, Max?
I was replying to the ignorant comments in the thread, not the article itself. If you paid any attention to my comment, you would have understood that. Or is it you who can’t read?
All three points I raised were brought up in the comments section.
“Or is it you who can’t read?”
I did not read the word ‘example’.
No harm, no foul, Max.
So, did you read the article?
[Edit]
Yes I did read the article. I also read the ‘academic fraud’ linked at the end. I correctly interpreted the article as an example of why to be careful relying on “Evidence by Citation” and not as an article proving that women enjoy being raped. I happen to agree with this conclusion. I seem to incessantly battle internet conspiracy theorists using this technique to prove anything from Chemtrails to Moon Landing Hoaxes. But it doesn’t change the fact that many of the comments in response to the article show a high degree of ignorance.
Btw, the article in the link is about domestic violence, NOT about rape, and it’s references to symmetry in domestic violence do not in any way speak to the argument that most rape is not as bad as it is made out to be.
@ Max
Excellent Max!
I needed to read a comment like yours.
Thanks.
Hi, Joe Schmo..
Bye, Joe Schmo.
You too, eh? Ah well, lots of new folks; bound to be a couple of useless fucktards…
NO RAPE IS GOOD MAN FUCKING IDIOTIC AMERICANS OR WHATEVER YOU ARE, WOMEN ARE “TOLD” THAT THEY ENJOY IT, IF YOU ASK THEM THEY REALLY DONT! FUCK ARSEHOLES!
The level of childish stupidity this article has attracted…it’s starting to enter the level of Swift, Wilde, or Voltaire in terms of outrage-bait.
Impressive. Most impressive
My goodness! One might think Fay didn’t read the article or follow the links!
She must have spilled something on her keyboard cause the caps key is stuck down.
It has being said that most men at some stage fantasize about being forced into some form of sexual abuse/raped by other men. So, using the warped logic used in the article, any ’guy’ fancying a piece of man-arse can simple pick any man in the crowd, lure him off on a fake 4×4 adventure, pound his bottom and make a grateful pal for life. Yeah right. BULLSHIT! What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
@Don: “It has been said that most men at some stage fantasize about being forced into some form of sexual abuse/raped by other men”.
It has been said… by whom, your alterego? Remind me to never go on a camping trip with you.
PS. “pound his bottom” has a very female-narrated sound to it. Just saying. We primitive males simply call our rear-ends “asses” or “arses”.
(Oh, and Don, I recommend you read the last two paragraphs of the article.)
“Remind me to never go on a camping trip with you.”
“It has being said that most men…”
By who?
Did you read the article, Don?
If you did, I do think that you missed the overall point.
IF
YOU
DID’T
LIKE
THE
ARTICLE
YOU
JUST
DIDN’T
READ
REAL PAIN IS THIS WAY:
Infantriarchy
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/infantriarchy/#comment-161395
OK, so far you get my vote for the stupidest response to this article.
I’ll see your “stupidest response to this article”…
And raise you ‘stupidest everything’ in terms of entering this site with that handle.
just goes to show Paul, when you lay the right bait, some times you catch more than you expected!