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Rude elevator bitch

A guy gets into an elevator… No seriously, a really nice guy gets into an elevator. Inside he sees a woman he finds rather interesting… so as politely as humanly possible, he terrorizes and rapes her… in her mind, not his and most certainly not in reality. But the simple act of a guy, any guy no matter how non-threatening or polite, who steps onto a hotel elevator with a woman is seen by that woman to be a potential rapist, especially if he politely asks her to his room for coffee. Such is the state of male-female relations in the 21st century.

Nice Guys Finish Last
~ Leo Durocher

I’m going to do something in this post, in fact I’ve already done it, I don’t normally do. It’s called name-calling. I generally avoid it because it is typically offensive and unproductive. I don’t mind so much that it irritates its object, but it doesn’t lead to productive conversation or discussion and since that’s what I usually want, I don’t do it. But right now, I’m not particularly in the mood for productive dialog so to hell with normal conventions. It’s my blog and I have the right to say what I want, freedom of speech and all that nonsense.

So the characters in this little diatribe will be given some not so pleasant names. First is the “Rude Elevator Bitch.” She started it all and I’ve honored her with the title of this post just to show my disgust with her very existence. REB as one might refer to her in order to save keystrokes was propositioned by a guy in an elevator. She was disgusted by it and felt she had to proclaim her disgust to the world.

The guy in the elevator, “Nice Elevator Guy” or “NEG” as in totally negated, apparently offended her with his rather polite, but ill-timed and poorly executed come on.

NEG was apparently defended by a “Looney Professor” (if I called him “Nutty” I would likely be sued by Disney for copyright infringement, so “Looney” it is.). “LP” sarcastically claimed that REB had no reason to be offended and that there were larger issues that deserved attention.

This drew a lot of attention to the so-called elevator-rape incident with creepy guys lining up to be attacked by oppressed feminist bitches.

One of these OFB’s, henceforth to be known as “Bitchy Entitled Feminist” (BEF), argues that NEG is only a nice guy because he believes that being a nice guy is a way to get sex from women. Once a woman has rejected him, he will stop being nice to her and refer to her as a bitch. She sees him as believing that because he is nice, he is entitled to her body in return for his “niceness.”

BEF is backed up by “Super Mangina” (SM) who wants us to believe that he’s some sort of Texas redneck who isn’t afraid of rabid dogs and who isn’t afraid to use racial slurs like “white trash” to refer to his friends and neighbors. But although he may be foolish and racist, he isn’t sexist. In fact, he so non-sexist that he believes that in order to keep from frightening women (who are obviously frightened half to death at the sight of strange men), men should cross the street to avoid passing them either by overtaking them from behind or when approaching head on. Of course he has obviously not read the latest feminist research which classifies his form of chivalry as “benevolent sexism.” But we’ll excuse his lack of literacy on the grounds that he’s from Texas and therefore constantly surrounded by white trash and rabid dogs.

I doubt that many learn to read in such an environment and that those who do probably don’t have time to do much of it; too busy whittling and such. I’m positively certain that those in the feminist movement will follow my lead and forgive his benevolent sexism and pay no mind to his continued denigration, demeaning, and infantilization of the entire female sex. After all, if a redneck from Texas can’t infantilize women, who can?

There are several points here that need to be made. First let’s talk about social graces. As a society we expect men to proposition women. Men are expected to be assertive, even somewhat aggressive in pursuing relationships with women. I’m not saying that this is right; I’m saying that it is the way it is. Despite a half a century of feminism attempting to liberate women from “gender” roles, women have by and large, not yet embraced to role of the pursuer in these relationships. Feminism is also partially responsible for this failure.

At the same time as the attempted to liberate women and get them to embrace new roles in society, they promoted the existence of a “rape culture” in which all men can be seen as potential rapists who use rape to instill fear into all women as a means to control them. Thus the irrational fear experienced by Rude Elevator Bitch is a fear placed into her by feminism itself. If, as some like BEF claim, this fear is oppressive, then REB is being oppressed by her own ideological feminism. NEG’s act of asking REB to his room for coffee was not an act of oppression as claimed by REB and her supporters. It was non-violent, non-threatening, and by her own account polite. Her fear was therefore, irrational and the result of feminist ideology. Thus if any oppression was actually taking place, REB was being oppressed by her own irrational belief system.

NEG, on the other hand, was merely fulfilling a gender role that he has been forced into, at least in part, by feminism itself. But let’s examine NEG’s behavior. By all accounts, NEG appears to be a rather shy, somewhat unconfident nerd or geek who appears to be lacking in the social graces. It was probably not a good idea to ask REB for coffee just after she finished a lecture on how she is offended by men who sexualize her, especially late at night in an isolated elevator. That would be her point of view which she and all of her supporters have stated quite eloquently. So if one only accounts for REB’s feelings, it was the wrong thing to do. But how about looking at the situation from NEG’s point of view?

OMG, he asked me to join him for coffee!

A shy, socially awkward nerd who lacks confidence is likely to feel uncomfortable in any situation where he intends to proposition a woman. But he is likely to be terrified of doing it in a public setting with plenty of people around to witness his humiliation when she turns him down. So from his point of view, an isolated elevator in the middle of the night is probably the ideal location, especially since he was probably never going to have this opportunity again. His fear of humiliation is probably not as irrational as her fear of rape and in hindsight, it was definitely more justified. He didn’t rape her, she did reject him. She not only rejected him, she humiliated him, publically, for all the world to see.

People like BEF and Super Mangina are of the opinion that REB’s feelings are the only feelings that should be taken into account. NEG’s feelings don’t matter anymore than NEG matters. He should have altered his behavior, put all his hopes and dreams aside, and taken her feelings into account. In fact, for BEF and SM, REB has a right (as a woman) not to be propositioned and NEG had no right to proposition her. This begs the question of who has rights and who doesn’t.

Does a person have a right to speak to another person? This country (and many others) places a high value on freedom of speech. It is one of the most important rights we have. The term “inalienable” might be applied. NEG was most definitely well within his rights to invite REB for coffee, even if “coffee” was merely a pretense for hot passionate sex. While REB may have a right to expect not to be propositioned in an elevator late at night, she had no right to impose her expectation upon NEG, even if his behavior causes her to feel unsafe.

REB had the right to refuse the proposition; she had the right to step out of the elevator. She has the right to alter her behavior, not his. If she wanted to feel safe, she should have left the elevator. He had every right to be there and he had every right to speak up. In this case it is not his feelings that don’t matter, it is hers. The fact that she is a woman and he is a man makes no difference, the opinion of BEF notwithstanding. REB’s online rant demonstrates that in this case she was acting as the oppressor. She believes that she has the right to determine what another person’s behavior should or shouldn’t be and that person should act in accordance with her wishes. Furthermore, she believes she is entitled to this because she is a woman. That makes her sexist.

Notice that I am not stating that REB should be flattered by NEG’s proposition, a position apparently taken by Looney Professor. If she isn’t flattered by a socially awkward nerd lacking in self-confidence who thinks she might be a person worth knowing (or at least bedding) who am I to say that she should be? After all this, I seriously doubt she’s a person worth knowing. I have no interest in her which is probably a great relief to her; one less potential rapist to worry about.

In closing, most feminists try very hard to convince us that feminism is all about equality between the sexes. Men and women are to be treated equally. But this little tale illustrates the lie inherent in feminist equality. It is all about the woman. It is all about her feelings, her needs, and her desires. Men be damned, this is not about you. It’s all about the BITCH.

About Walter Romans (TDOM)

I'm a chef. I'm a shrink. For better or for worse, I'm married with 4 grandkids (that's the better part). Over the last few years I have come to believe that feminism is a hate movement, not the benevolent force I used to understand it to be.

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  • Rog

    this is awsome!

  • DogFace Soldier

    In the 21st century, every man is considered either a rapist, pedophile, or serial killer. Feminism has brainwashed women to believe that every man is a boogeyman, lurking just around the corner, waiting for the right time to strike.

    People get confused when women ask “where are all the good men?” Let me translate for you: “Where is MY Johnny Depp?” Most women think they deserve to marry Hollywood movie stars or incredibly wealthy athletes. Feminism has brainwashed most women into thinking that they are perfect in every way.

    Calling a man a “creep” is one of the most demeaning things a woman can call a man. Yet, that word is thrown around freely in every aspect of society with no thought or remorse given to the men it hurts. Women use the word to shame men into thinking that men are beneath women. Feminism has brainwashed women into believing men are not worthy of the title “human being.”

  • http://aleknovy.com/ Alek Novy

    NEG, on the other hand, was merely fulfilling a gender role that he has been forced into, at least in part, by feminism itself. But let’s examine NEG’s behavior. By all accounts, NEG appears to be a rather shy, somewhat unconfident nerd or geek who appears to be lacking in the social graces. It was probably not a good idea to ask REB for coffee just after she finished a lecture on how she is offended by men who sexualize her, especially late at night in an isolated elevator. That would be her point of view which she and all of her supporters have stated quite eloquently. So if one only accounts for REB’s feelings, it was the wrong thing to do. But how about looking at the situation from NEG’s point of view?

    Except for one problem. She lied about this. She and her groupies made the whole thing up so that they have an excuse to go around lynching the guy.

    Reference:
    http://aleknovy.com/2011/07/16/mega-surprise-rebecca-watson-lied-omg-impossible

  • http://thedamnedoldeman.com TDOM

    “She lied about this. She and her groupies made the whole thing up so that they have an excuse to go around lynching the guy.”

    Wow, Alex I read your article. Nice job. One of the reasons this story pissed me off enough to address it was that it sounded a bit off. If the story is true, Rebecca was wrong. If its a lie, she was even more wrong.

    This article got more views on my site than any article I’ve posted except Legally Obscene. I was rather shocked by that. It’s even garnered attention from Mr. Manboobeez and a handful of his henchfems. I couldn’t help but be amused at their comments on my site and his. Not a one of them actually got the point I was making.

    Paul, good to see the site back up. I’ve missed it. Looks great.

    TDOM

  • Promoman

    Women aren’t qualified to even be the last sources of authority regarding manners. Women consistently pull shit like this. The whole “magic pussy” thing while living in quasi-fear of rape is beyond stupid.

  • ForsakenEagle

    As a 21-year-old, socially-awkward nerd, I approve of this article. Very good job, TDOM.

  • Zarathos022

    After many visits that I made to this site I think that I’m going to have a few questions for the local femmie group at my college concerning an article about how they wish to “change the stereotype” of feminism.

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      Zarathos,
      Be strong, unrelenting, and fearless. The piranha will pull every dirty trick and more to destroy you. Fuck Them. Deliver your message.

  • Quartermain

    Never heard of Rebecca Twatson before that incident, I think very few people have.

    We heard of her now. What we hear is that she is rude and a total bitch.

    This incident has hit a nerve with many men.

    Men have awakened and are now talking about about the fucked up situation we’re in.

  • criolle johnny

    I saw my middle school students wearing shirts with the slogan “It’s all about ME!” I stopped smiling a week into the school year when I realized that they were serious.
    These were fifth and sixth grade girls.
    Be afraid.

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      Cringe.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    I think I hear the sound of a piano tuner at work…

    “me me me me me meeeee..”

  • TheAntithesis

    So there is one point I am yet to hear anybody in the gender communities make about this situation. REB is considered somewhat of a celebrity in the skeptic/feminist/atheist subcultures; this is especially true among blog readers (her nomdeplume is “skepchick” I think. ‘Elevatorgate’ happened at a conference on these topics where she was one of the speakers and he was an attendee.

    When this guy got on the elevator he probably saw “skepchick,” that pseudo-celebrity woman with whom he identifies and was like “OMG, she’s right here!” He probably knew that this was his only chance and although it was not exactly the best timing (as REB pointed out) he HAD to make a move before the admittedly slim opportunity passed him by. That’s how I would feel if I were in that situation. Can he really be faulted for trying? Its not like he’d get another opportunity in the foreseeable future.

    Anyone wanna weigh in on that perspective?

    • http://www.manwomanmyth.com Perseus

      Completely concur.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    Oh prong me with a fish fork !

    I am going to take the bloody stairs and I don’t care what the doctor says.

  • Robert Full Of Rage

    I find it pathetic the only thing most women have to offer in relationships is their looks. I laugh at older women who try to look like younger women. Can’t these women let their looks fade with a little dignity? While most men are obsessed with accomplishing great feats or breaking new ground, women are obsessed with their looks. I am sure a lot of the visitors to this website know that most women in the 21st century are extremely miserable to be around. All they care about is being dominant in a relationship. Can you ladies put aside your massive egos for five minutes and stop acting like the hardcore feminazis from the 1960s who spent their time getting STDs and frying their brains with drugs? I mean, holy shit! I would rather drag my ball sack through shattered glass than to be in the company of a modern woman for ten seconds. I find women who wear no make-up to be very attractive compared to these women who douse themselves with perfume to go grocery shopping or these women who look like they spent way too much time in the tanning bed. All of you women who want to look 21 your whole life remind me of a 50 year-old athlete who doesn’t know when to hang up the cleats.

  • Kirkpatrick

    I think if you got into the elevator with me, TDOM, I would be scared–you are very aggressive! I am also very sorry that this is how you perceive women. Women who are empowered are more able to support, love, and understand their men. I agree with you that women can have irrational fears of rape, but the sad state of affairs is that there is still tremendous violence against females. I am very sorry to tell you but it is in our right to reject a proposition, no matter how polite or nice a guy–I wish him luck though! Women these days will pursue a guy–even the nerdy ones. However I will say that this article is a real eye opener: I see that misogyny is alive and strong.

    • Paul Elam

      And I am sad to see that stupidity is so alive and well. Did he say anything against empowered women? No. Did he even tacitly imply that women can’t say no? No.

      Did he write a single line that had anything to do with anything you said? No.

      Your head is lodged squarely up your ass.

    • keyster

      “…but the sad state of affairs is that there is still tremendous violence against females.”

      Where, when and to whom exactly?
      Can you site an example of it happening within the last few days?
      I mean “tremendous” is a strong word, so it must be a rampant epidemic right?
      Yet I see no news of it happening anywhere yesterday or today.

      Or are you talking about “violence” as defined by feminists, which includes leering, following, cat calling and just plain annoying a woman who doesn’t like you.

      • scatmaster

        I doubt it will return keyster it is a drop and run troll.
        No guts.

    • scatmaster

      What a douche you are.
      You arrived here with misogyny on your mind and in your twisted cranium no matter what you found you would find it.You are who we are fighting.

    • Raven01

      Well Kirk it isn’t TDOM fault that you are easily “intimidated”. It is no ones fault but your own that you are a chickenshit.
      There is EVERY SINGLE DAY more violence against men than against women, almost NO women have to worry about being incarcerated and violently raped due to false accusations (just the i got drunk and have a boyfriend so the guy I willingly fucked lastnight must have raped me type)

  • Adi

    I have followed this discussion on various feminist websites and I’m rather unsettled by one thing (apart from the many obvious things):

    Has nobody noticed the sexism in concluding that elevator guy was hitting on elevator bitch? I mean, we don’t really know what his intentions were. Perhaps he’s a nerd who just wants to talk about the subject that interests him not thinking about anything sexual at all. Perhaps he’s gay for all we know.

    If the sexes had been reversed or if both had been men or both women, nobody would have jumped to conclusions about his motivations. But because he’s a man, all feminists assume with 100% certainty that he was hitting on her.

    Well, I can assure you that straight men don’t always want sex with women. One might even make the case that men are less focused on sex than women since men have done a lot more in the world that has nothing to do with sex. Read a men’s magazine and see all the different topics that come up from sports to tech talk and politics. Then read a woman’s magazine and see how narrow minded the focus is on relationships, beauty and personal happiness.

  • Eye in the Sky

    It looks like some women are starting to admit feminism has served them poorly:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/03/marry-him/6651/

    Not all feminists can be beautiful, successful, and in possession of a simpering male lapdog.

    The truth will win in the end. Let’s give it a little help.

  • http://Human-Stupidity.com Human-Stupidity.com

    In fact, for BEF and SM, REB has a right (as a woman) not to be propositioned and NEG had no right to proposition her. This begs the question of who has rights and who doesn’t.

    This has been decided long ago. In harassment laws. The feelings of rejected belittled losers are irrelevant. Women’s rejection and repressive attitude is not creating a hostile work environment. But man’s invitation, elevator eyes are creating devastating traumas in poor defenseless women.

    Weakness is a mighty weapon for fragile feminist crybaby girls: The Sexual Harassment Industry

    Entire University departments scramble to do one-sided research to prove female injuries.

    How come nobody proposes research to prove male suffering in a feminst dominated work environment that does not tolerate his free expression, that actively belittles and ridicules him?

  • http://Human-Stupidity.com Human-Stupidity.com

    Here an example of prize winning research proving feminist weakness in order to justify male repression

    "Objectifying gaze" makes helpless women lose math ability. Feminist researchers want to persecute men, not empower women

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