It might be easy to think that the title to this piece is simple provocation, a tool to inspire people, perhaps mislead them, through sparking an angry reaction or just plain morbid curiosity, into taking a look at what this article is about.
Even though the thrust here is slightly different than the title would imply, there is no deception here at all. The question is serious, and the answer, to be certain, is so clear it need not take an entire article to address.
When is it O.K. to punch your wife? Well, anytime you are defending yourself from her physical attack. You have the right, at that moment, legally and morally, as is explicit in every legal model I know of, to use whatever force is necessary to protect yourself.
Ah, but you really don’t, which is of course the real purpose of this article, and a purpose well worth study and consideration.
You see, the surface answer about self defense only applies in the world of legal theory and the land of ought-ta-be.
In the real world, where we actually live, the preponderance of people, from your friendly neighborhood patriarch to his twin sister the Gloria Steinem clone, see this type of dialog as a reason to go nuclear. In fact, I knew that the title would be provocative precisely because we live in a culture where I am not supposed to even ask such a thing. It’s like asking when it is OK to hunt an endangered species, or steal a senior citizens social security check, or joke about children with cancer.
And people, whether it is women gone insane with the power of the pussy pass, or the men who are in fact the underwriters of those passes, will surely bring their wrath down upon you. They will rush in to scream, “You NEVER hit a woman! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!”
I can just see the bulging veins in their necks, their flushed cheeks, and spittle flying from their mouths.
And of course they are right. A man should never hit a woman.
NEVER.
Not if he knows what is good for him.
It’s not because some women don’t deserve it. Heck, there is many a woman that righteously deserves a foot being broken off in her ass. You read about them a lot these days; women who beat and abuse their partners, who poison them, who hire paid killers to take them out, who shoot and stab and cut their husbands and boyfriends in their sleep, who run them down and kill them in cars, who get other thugs to torture and abuse them.
There are women, and plenty of them, for which a solid ass kicking would be the least that they deserve; where any justice at all would deliver to them the executioners needle. But hey, we can‘t even defend ourselves against them, so it makes perfect sense that they won’t find themselves on the wrong side of the glass window in a death chamber- no matter what they do.
The real question here is not whether these women deserve the business end of a right hook, they obviously do, and some of them deserve one hard enough to leave them in an unconscious, innocuous pile on the ground if it serves to protect the innocent from imminent harm.
The real question is whether men deserve to be able to physically defend themselves from assault when it comes from a woman. Does the concept of self defense even apply to men who are the victims of violent females? Technically, the law says yes. But the people around you, especially the ones with guns, regard the pussy pass as a higher authority.
You hit a woman, even in self defense; indeed if you even call the cops on one that is beating the crap out you, the beta thugs we have come to call police will come round to your house and deliver some fucking law and order- on you.
I know, I just crossed another line. This time that thin blue one. Just like asking when it is alright to punch your wife, I am breaking a social gag order to point at police, rather at what police have become, and speak the truth.
But of course, that is how the police ended up doing what they are doing- by everyone keeping their mouths shut.
I respect the idea of police work very much. I have known many in law enforcement, including members of my family.
I also know that street cops are obliged to follow department policy, no matter how screwed up it is, or face losing their jobs. For that reason alone I have taken a soft line with the police for a long time.
In other words, I have been a part of the problem. I hate those kinds of look-in-the-mirror moments, but there is only one thing you can do with them- freaking fix the problem. And so I am here to start.
If you are willing to keep your job as a police officer by taking an abused man to jail for the sake of department policy or convenience, or even for your job, then you lack the integrity to be a public servant. Please take off your badge and resign. I am sure there are openings in the nearest street gang- where rule by force, not law, is much more your cup of tea.
Or perhaps you like your position a beta male thug enforcer. Perhaps you don’t care who you cuff and cage as long as it gives you a hard on. Either way, I am tired of the public overlooking your actions, and worse, patting you on the back for being morally bankrupt and abusing innocent men.
Lest you think I am being over reactive about just how far the police have gone. Let’s take a look at a case or two.
In Sacramento, California David Woods’s wife Ruth took their young daughters outside in 39 degree temperatures, for seven hours, till their lips were blue and they were borderline hypothermic. After she returned, Woods argued with his wife about her actions, till she grabbed a serrated kitchen knife and stabbed at him. The blade passed through the collar of his shirt and actually gave him a small nick in the flesh of his neck. Apparently unsatisfied, she reared back to stab him again, but this time he hit her in the mouth. She dropped the knife and ran to call 911. Sacramento Sheriffs Deputies arrived at the scene to intervene, drew their guns, and slapped cuffs- on Mr. Woods.
They were preparing to take him to jail, over his protests, but it was the daughters, who insisted that the deputies listen to them (they sure as hell were not listening to him), that finally prevented them from taking their father to jail and leaving them alone with the disturbed and violent mother.
But, they did not take the mother anywhere either. They released Woods from his handcuffs advised him to get her to counseling.
After the incident Woods was quoted as saying, “Now, isn’t that strange? When she had a fat lip it was a felony and I was going to jail. But when they finally realized she tried to stab me in the neck, it stopped being a crime and became a mental health issue.”
Woods is not alone. This sham is passing for good police intervention on family violence in every major city in the country. From L.A. to New York City, police are embracing policies for handling domestic calls that can only be described as politically motivated, simple minded and criminal.
Whatever happens, arrest the guy, unless someone beats you over the head hard enough with the truth that you have no choice but to consider arresting whatever aggressor the evidence points to.
In doing this, our police, with our absolute complicity, have gone from being public servants to public menaces, trampling on victims, enabling criminals- mindlessly obeying department policy to the point that Gestapo references would not be overblown.
Their handling of domestic disputes is part of the a massive roll back in civil and constitutional rights and they need to be called to task for it.
Consider the following clip from ABC news that measures reactions of people to seeing a man violently abused by a woman.
Predictably, few people cared at all, one even celebrated the guy getting a beating, and most just decided on their own that he had it coming, but most telling is the cop that walked past this scene doing nothing and later told reporters, “Yeah, if it had been the other way around I would have definitely done something.”
Then he excused it by talking about how he was raised, admitted that it was a double standard, but informed us that even being confronted with it was going to change nothing.
“Hey, it is what it is,” he says.
Consider the recent story out of Orlando, Florida, regarding the false rape accusation epidemic. Even in that situation, as reported by police themselves, they do not want to arrest women- simply because they are women. The pussy pass is police issue.
Note the basic turn of events. Man angers women. Women attack, verbally and physically. Man refuses to comply. Women call police. Women lie. And lie again. And lie again. And lie again.
Police office treats the man as though he is the problem, going as far as to tell him that he cannot disrespect women.
Any thoughts on what would have happened if this man were not smart enough to film his actions?
And this is what we have, people. From rape allegations to domestic disputes, to civil protests, we have police that are badge wearing, gun toting enforcers of feminist governance. They are either too poorly trained, or too brainwashed or too stupid to realize the socially destructive nature of their actions.
So when is it Ok to punch your wife? Ask David Woods, he’ll tell you. Don’t defend yourself. Don’t expect help. Just run. Forget your property. Forget justice. And get a hotel because there won’t be a safe house. Not for you.
If you are a man in this culture and you are unfortunate enough to have an altercation with a woman, you know who is coming to take care of things, don’t you?
That’s right, the Sacramento Sherriff’s Department. Or maybe the Orlando police, or maybe that muscle bound cop in the park who would walk past you getting beaten like he was a fry cook instead of a law enforcement officer.
Whoever comes, they are not about the any law except her law, and you will find that out as they put the handcuffs on you and haul your ass to jail for having been stupid enough to expect them to do the right thing.
Let that sink in. Let it sink in any way you like, but I advise you to get it on your way out of her reach, and theirs.
This ain’t no country for men, any more.
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Awesome, I lost all respect for police officers when I learned about “dominant aggressor” gender profiling. It brings the entire system of justice into disrepute.
A good reference from Richard Davis
http://www.californiamenscenters.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/090126-law-enforcement-and-ipv.pdf
“The POPIPV documents that almost two of every three (62%) of law enforcement IPV interventions are for “verbal arguments.” And one of every five (20.4%) are for incidents where it is difficult to determine who is the offender and who is the victim. Hence, the vast majority (82.4%) of IPV interventions can be problematic for responding officers.
Most criminal justice data documents that in serious incidents females do suffer from more injurious and fatal violence than males. However, as the POPIPV documents most IPV incidents are minor or there is no empirical evidence to demonstrate who initiated the assaultive behavior. Contemporary unprecedented IPV training curriculums establish a bias found nowhere else in the criminal justice system. IPV trainers simply refer to females as victims and males as offenders
It is difficult to understand how or why the officers did not make a single arrest of a female offender when a recent study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention documents that women are the perpetrators in more than 70% of nonreciprocal IPV incidents.”
Good article by Grant Brown,
http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/article.php?id=2818
“On October 4, 2006, London Police Chief, Murray Faulkner, drew the praise of local feminists, the ire of national men’s rights activists, and the dismay of knowledgeable people everywhere, when he attended the launch of yet another task force aimed at “combating woman abuse.” In his remarks, Faulkner stated that domestic violence is a “gender problem… Men, and what it is to be a man in our society, (are) the problem.”
Faulkner’s comments were, as it turned out, ill-timed, for on June 7, 2007, London Police Service Inspector, Kelly Johnson, shot and killed retired LPS Superintendent David Lucio, with whom she had had a three-year intimate relationship. She then turned her police revolver on herself. The vehicle Lucio had been driving Johnson home in ran into her apartment building. (As is common when women commit intimate partner violence, she used a weapon and picked a time when the man was vulnerable and unable to defend himself.)
So perplexed was Faulkner by this murder-suicide that he called an investigation into the circumstances surrounding it. The report of the investigators was released on May 20, 2008.
The title of the report gives away the authors’ bias: “Report to the LPS and London Community on the Deaths of David Lucio and Kelly Johnson.” In their opening statement, the authors say that Lucio “died by homicide” and Johnson “died by suicide following the homicide of David Lucio.” They refer to these as “tragic events.” How dramatically this neutral and clinical tone contrasts with that of public inquiries into murder-suicides perpetrated by men”
(London, Ontario Police Chief Murray Faulkner later falsified domestic homicide statistics by not reporting the murder suicide as a domestic homicide)
Great title, it should get lots of attention.
Never, never, never…run and never come back!
Denis: I believe there is much more to this story.
Please continue as I know you have followed this for a long time.
Brown (2004) found huge discrepancies in arrest and prosecution of spousal assault as a function of gender. Women were four times more likely to report partner violence to police (81% vs. 19%).(Stets & Straus (1992a) found women were 10 times more likely to call police in response to partner assault. Brown also found women were more likely to have the police arrest when reporting (75% vs. 60%) than were men reporting an assault by a woman. The higher arrest of men occurs despite injuries to male victims. When men are injured, female perpetrators are arrested only 60.2% of the time, compared to 91.1% of cases involving in the reverse situation (Brown, 2004, p. 34). A combination of men’s’ unwillingness to report and the police being unwilling to arrest female perpetrators means only 2% of female perpetrators are arrested (Brown, 2004; Statistics Canada, 2003, p.4). When no one was injured, men were 16 times more likely to be charged than women (Brown, 2004, p. 35); this was not because male injuries were always less serious. Buzawa, Bannon, Austin, and Jackson (1992), in a study of the police arrest policy in Detroit, found that “male victims reported three times the rate of serious injury as their female counterparts, 38% compared to 14%” (p. 263).
Like David Woods, man is really in a bind when not only can’t he defend himself against a hysterical wife willing to use a weapon and determined to hurt him at all costs, but when he can’t leave and abandon his children to a woman who may do them harm. Or worse, if his children are her primary target.
Here is a sample of the feminist-written primary aggressor policies that major police forces follow nationwide (from Glenn Sacks):
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=4597
The real question is whether men deserve to be able to physically defend themselves from assault when it comes from a woman? Does the concept of self defense even apply to men who are the victims of violent females? Technically, the law says yes. But the people around you, especially the ones with guns, regard the pussy pass as a higher authority.
A couple of months ago I was at a friend’s house when his girlfriend suddenly went apeshit on him, yelling and throwing things at him. He just got his things and left without saying a word. He made no attempt whatsoever to defend himself, for he knew all too well what would happen to him if he did. It was truly a disgusting sight.
And of course there are thousands of stories just like this that we never hear or read about.
I know many would get a lot of pleasure out of punching their wives. Remember this… if this happens she wins. She pushed you to the level she wanted and you fell for it. She wins!
I know a few females that need to be knocked on their ass. Not just once but a few times. I have one that lives next door too me. Every day I feel sorry for the poor bastard that is married to it. She is the true definition of a monster. I can honestly say, 10 out of the 11 couples we socialize with, the female is the problem in the relationship. I think it is due to the female not knowing how to treat a man, not knowing anything about men and thinking men are just like them. Coupled with the feminist bullcrap of trying to be the superior sex.
We were invited over our good friend Dan’s house to watch the season opener game. I am 100% not a bit interested in the game, but my husband enjoys watching it. Before our arrival to the house, my hubby and I bet how long would it be before Mary says something rude to Dan. Pretty sad we already know it is coming before we even get to the door. Of course, I won the bet like I always do. Dan is enjoying his friends, his beer, and the game. Mary, his crabby, over weight, loud mouth wife yells to him from across the room, ” Tina has a dentist appointment tomorrow.” Dan yells back, “right on” This reply really pissed Mary off… She walks over to him, yelling in front of the whole room full of guests, ” what did I just tell you, I know you didn’t hear me, repeat what I said.” Blocking the whole tv with her huge ass as she is yelling at Dan. Dan, of course had no idea what she said to him, you could see his mind racing while trying to think of something clever to say. Mary then smacks him on the side of his head and walks back in the kitchen. Sobbing, ” why doesn’t he ever listen to me?” I proudly turned to her and say, ” because he is watching the fucking football game with his friends you dumb bitch.” Nodding to my husband it was time to go. Without saying a word he totally agreed, knowing it would not be long before I opened a can of whoop ass on Mary!
Note to women ~ just because I have a vigina doesn’t mean I am on your side!
My advice to men ~ To protect yourself, don’t let things escalate to the physical level when you can. If you refuse to be part of the fight/argument, then they are left to argue/fight with themselves, which is totally not fun. Cool heads always prevail. Cool things down until you both can be civil. Carry a video camera wherever you go. The video can usually tell the truth. At least it can prove the he said / she said crap. Keep one in arms reach, so when things start to erupt you have it handy. And if you have too, play dirty too… if she lies you lie too!
My advice to women ~ be nice to your husbands and go make them dinner!
Good article, Paul. We believe that everyone has the RIGHT (I say that in the true sense of the term, not in the modern sense of government approved “rights”) to defend themselves from any aggressor, but we cannot, in good conscience, recommend that they actually do so unless their life depends on it.
I find it amusing that anybody living in the West today would say that men should NEVER strike back at women when they are being attacked. This is based on the assumption that men are stronger, but there’s a serious problem with that.
It is logically impossible for a man to be considered “stronger” than a woman if he, in fact, cannot take any action that would manifest this comparative advantage into reality. If men are going to be disallowed from using their own personal force against a violent woman, then the government damn well better properly respond to these types of situations with their own force. (Note: I think depending on government to resolve these situations is a bad idea)
If they don’t, but punish men for attempting to handle situations on their own, then men are functionally weaker than women. It’s just another example of female supremacy.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1092857.ece
She is a liar! If she was so harmed or so scared, why did she wait until the next day to report it.
I know the true story behind this…. very sad ~ male cops aren’t even safe from a women’s wrath!
@ Beth
Carry a video camera wherever you go. The video can usually tell the truth. At least it can prove the he said / she said crap. Keep one in arms reach, so when things start to erupt you have it handy.
Words to live by. You never know when it just might save your life.
Observations like that are why I check the admin daily for a submission by Eincrou.
Just as many women are attracted to men who are violent, a lot of men seem to be attracted to women who treat them surprisingly badly. I’ve often thought that perhaps these women remind them of their mothers. Or maybe they are just good in bed.
You may be on to something Karla. Women with personality disorders, particularly Borderline Personalities, are notoriously seductive and sexual.
They can also be very violent.
Attitudes towards a man defending himself from an aggressive woman are changing, in the public at least. For example as far back as the late 90′s I was training in a particularly aggressive, street savvy form of martial arts and would have debates about violent women. Some students had the typical,”You never hit a women.”, attitude but my sensei stated quite distinctly that any person willing to harm you physically should be instantly viewed as another man and dealt with accordingly.
While the consequences to a man doing this would be obvious, it also shows that a women who abuses a man with a warrior mentality may still receive exactly what she’s earned.
Nothing better illustrates female privilege than the phrase “Never hit A WOMAN.” Men, dogs, and children okay…but never WOMEN.
“Police office treats the man as though he is the problem, going as far as to tell him that he cannot disrespect women.”
It is de facto illegal to even disrespect a woman in this country.
I don’t think it’s right to hit a lady…
… but if she hits you, she sure as hell ain’t no lady.
I’ve never found anything worth allowing someone to fight with me over. I’ve had women lose their temper and hit me (or drive off the road to run me down – true story) and they ended up screaming at air and swinging at memories as I simply put them in my rear view mirror.
This life is like a train ride from pone place to another. In whatever car you find yourself, everyone is fighting over the window seats as if they were actually going to get to keep those seats forever. When the train stops, they’ll have to give those seats away to the next batch of passengers, and every one of those seat winners will regret having made such a fool of themselves over the fight to win that seat. Especially when they watch the fight that will ensue over the damn thing as they exit the train.
I don’t have a seat and I don’t want a seat. I prefer to wander around the train and see what’s going on from car to car. No one fights with me over the space I occupy, since it changes from moment to moment. And when the train ride is over, I exit through the same doors as those folks who put so much devotion into winning those seats that they’ll never see again now that their destination has been reached.
Maybe it sounds like Zen or whatever the hell it’s called these days when someone doesn’t see the value in what’s driving everyone else to distraction, but I prefer to see it as realizing the value of true freedom in life. Freedom in my own life. I’m worth too much for some woman, some man, or some thing to claim ownership of me as a direct result of their need to seize my time and emotion without offering something that I see of equal value in return. I will enter into a symbiotic relationship, and devote myself to keeping that positive arrangement healthy and strong, but never a pairing that causes me grief or anger.
Never.
I’ve handed away more than many people will ever acquire, and I haven’t missed any of it. In the process, the winners suffered and they hated me for allowing them to win what they never really wanted in the first place. What they really wanted was for me to allow them to be more important to my own life than myself, and they simply weren’t. The battles – house, car, custody, money – were always symbolic and I’ve always known that. What they wanted, every one of them, was ownership of me, in whatever sense they could have it.
And what I give of myself, I have complete and unquestioned authority and power over.
@ Noreaster
I agree with your assessment in general, and somewhere in the middle of my ranting at the system, I had hoped that was implied.
But I also know that the rear view mirror is not so accessible to some. Men with children, entire lives of work and property, and sometimes state functionaries that just won’t let them walk away.
I like your approach and share it, but I also know that part of the big picture here is that things are not always so simple as I would like them to be.
Thanks Denis.
My thoughts, you should never hit a woman but there should be women you can call to do it for you.
Usually every police force has a unit that deals with domestic violence, there is one in the city I live in. They don’t advertise it, but if you listen to the news they will usually mention a “domestic disturbance” team.
Why is it not possible to use these very “teams” to preempt violence. If men could go to these people that are already on the payroll and present their circumstances before things escalate into violence and get some kind of intervention. At least they would be on the record.
Why as men can we not ask this of our local politicians and municipal workers.
It’s a zero sum expense to the tax payer, since violent men would not use such a service.
In my experience I went to the police before anything happened to discuss my concerns and I got strip searched for my trouble. But maybe with a reasonable campaign this could be turned around.
THIS is the type of training the feminists force on our law enforcement concerning DV.
Notice that in each case law enforcement is instructed to ARREST THE MAN. Feminists are not only training the police but the judiciary on gender matters.
Retrenched: He just got his things and left without saying a word. He made no attempt whatsoever to defend himself, for he knew all too well what would happen to him if he did. It was truly a disgusting sight.
So did he go back to her, or did he just take what he had brought over for the night? If the latter, then yes indeed, that is a disgusting sight.
Karla: I’ve often thought that perhaps these women remind them of their mothers.
Karla, if you care to study the research of the late Alice Miller, she will tell you that is probably the case. Adults are frequently dishonest with themselves about childhood hurt and pain, preferring instead to call any number of pathological behaviors “good” so that they don’t have to face the unbearable childhood realization that they are not loved, or not loved sufficiently. Speaking from experience, it does indeed cause a lot of unpleasant remembrances.
And NorEaster, you truly sound like a life-oriented man. Beautiful. Keep it up.
I called the police because my wife was beating me. They arrived and threatened to take me to jail and made me leave the home where my wife remained with our four children. Olive Branch MS. 2010
It is too bad I don’t bruise more easily. But would it matter?
@ il138
Nope.
@ B.R.
He never went back to her after that. He now has a new girlfriend who is a lot cuter than the crazy bitch in the story above. (He’s an alpha who has great success with women.)
Very deep, sad, true and brave article!
All I have to add from my own personal experiences/thoughts/feelings is here:
“After the incident Woods was quoted as saying, “Now, isn’t that strange? When she had a fat lip it was a felony and I was going to jail. But when they finally realized she tried to stab me in the neck, it stopped being a crime and became a mental health issue.”
Reading this article two and three times bad memories and details come back in my mind…I will share them, but dont offer condolence…its Ok..
One night, I had to call the police, because that EX of mine threatened me with a knife, a broken beer bottle and scratched my face and neck with her nails…all mad for no reason and drunk…she just didnt calm down…the police arrived, put ME against the wall, torchlight in my eyes, holding me at my two arms…it took me a while to explain who is the victim here…the alcohol test of my EX that night was 2,5 %o…they left without any further action, they said it is her place, too, its her right to stay here and they dont mix in relationship problems…one police guy just said to me: u better divorce her. Well, thanks, officer. Did I hear a good night?? was it meant sarcastically??
The previous quote was from a great introduction to feminist DV policy:
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/Dutton_GenderParadigmInDV-Pt1.pdf
Is mandatory arrest (in 21 states) an effective social policy for domestic violence?
Not really.
http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/DuttonCorvo.policypaper.pdf
Sherman et al. (1992) addressed the question of whether arrest works to reduce recidivism for certain kinds of offenders and whether it may increase recidivism for others. This was for 6 US cities, the largest of the studies was in Milwaukee with 1200 cases of domestic violence.
The initial effects of arrest were to suppress recidivism. For thirty days after the presenting incident, the prevalence (proportion of cases with one or more incidents) of repeat violence reported in the victim interviews was substantially
lower in the arrest groups. However, at about 7–9 months after the presenting incident, the arrest and non-arrest recidivism curves cross over and from that point on the arrest group has a higher rate of recidivism. That is, for this sample, the long term effect of arrest was to increase the rate of repeat violence
The persons for whom arrest backfired in the long term were socially marginal (defined by the authors as black, unemployed, not married to the victim and high school dropouts). While arrest deterred those who were most likely to socially conform, it escalated other groups into higher frequencies of domestic violence.
I hope this gets attention
@ Paul: This is a truly excellent post and I think it must have taken a lot of consideration and courage before you made it. Well done. Very well done.
Actually, I’m surprised that there aren’t more police officers protesting the idiotic, sexist DV policies that have been forced upon them by politicians. Maybe it’s just another example of how many people just stick their heads up their rear ends and ignore most of the issues that MRAs are fighting for until they are directly affected by these injustices.
I imagine there are more than a few police officers who have been the victims of these insane DV policies, people like the guy in this story:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_677374.html
According to this story, Eugene Hlavac, a former Pittsburgh police sergeant, was arrested for allegedly assaulting his former girlfriend. Without waiting for a trial to determine whether the former officer was innocent or guilty, the police department immediately fired the guy. Fortunately for Mr. Hlavac, a female neighbor witnessed the event and testified in court that his girlfriend initiated the violence and that he was merely trying to defend himself. Consequently he was acquitted of the charge. Meanwhile, he had been permitted only supervised visits with his son since the incident and he is still unemployed.
If men and women are equal, punching a woman is NO BETTER OR WORSE than punching another man. So, its okness depends on the situation. This “never, ever punch a woman” crap is just that, krap.
Sometime, not often, but sometimes certain people deserve to get the snot beat out of them. I know some nutz will think EVERYTHING is a reason for violence, but I m talking about what an average, intelligent, normal human being would think is deserving.
Catch your wife (not girlfriend) in bed with another? She get two left hooks for every one the dude (or other chick) gets. Period. End of discussion. ANd if the roles were reversed, a man gets caught in the sack, same goes with him, HE DESERVES EVERTHING SHE THINKS HE DOES…..
NCK, the problem is that men and women are not equal, therefore, the rest of your conclusion doesn’t work. But that’s beside the point.
Punching people who have hurt your feelings for having sex without your permission or knowledge is a bad idea. For a man to leave a woman, or a woman to leave a man, because a verbal agreeement about sex has been broken, is one thing, but to introduce violence and initiate coercion is death-oriented. It is completely unnecessary. No man, no matter how many women he has slept with on the side, deserves violence directed against him. The same goes for unfaithful women.
It may be a bad idea but I personally believe violence IS deserved. There is a difference between revenge and retribution/justice. I don’t think it should be enough damage to put someone in the hospital but they definitely deserve a good punch, man or woman. Cheating is wrong and adultery should be a felony.
B.R.
I agree. Additionally, I fail to see the reasoning why anyone would direct their anger toward the third party in the case of infidelity. It isn’t the person your wife or husband cheated with that betrayed you, and it isn’t them that you had to trust in the first place.
I knew a man once that caught his live-in GF in bed with another man in their (his) home. He simply told the guy, “Congrats, she is all yours now. Both of you get out of my home.”
You fail to entertain the possibility of the 3rd party knowing the person they are screwing is already with someone. You also neglect the possibility that the 3rd party might actually know or be friends with you…For instance, my (former)best friend fucked my girlfriend as an example (a true one)
“I knew a man once that caught his live-in GF in bed with another man in their (his) home. He simply told the guy, ‘Congrats, she is all yours now. Both of you get out of my home.’”
Man! Zeta-male on steroids!
@ Theadore
I appreciate your kind words. I did have to deal with some internal crap to do this one, but it really didn’t take much courage. In the immortal words of Tom Joad:
“It don’t take no nerve to do sumptin’ when there ain’t nothin’ else you can do.”
Self-defense itself can be considered a form of DV. Suppose a woman takes a gun out and threatens to shoot you (a man). Acting in self-defense, you try to get the gun away from her and in the process land a few blows. However, she manages to pull the trigger and you end up dead. Even though you were acting in self-defense, you were also guilty of DV, and since you were guilty of DV, she was justified in killing you. She will explain all this to the police and, being dead, you will have no chance to explain your side of the case. The available evidence will all point to justifiable homicide, and she walks free.
Even if you manage to survive her murder attempt, you will likely be charged with DV–after all, you did hit her.
I used to believe DV laws were intended to stop DV. In truth, they were intended to make DV (including murder) by women legal while prohibiting DV by men. Women could thus do whatever they want to men and men could not (legally) fight back.
Another good article, Paul.
I found myself in one of these situations a few years back. I’d been seeing a girl I eventually discovered was, well, less than stable. Not wanting to risk anything happening, I broke up with her in a public place (nearby park). She went *ballistic*. She reached into her purse, and I assumed it was to grab her phone. I didn’t see the knife coming at me until it was too late to avoid. I took the first slash across my chest, and then we struggled for a while as I tried to get control of the knife. Cut the fuck out of my hands and forearms in the process. I’m not a big guy, so overpowering a berserk woman is no easy feat.
Eventually I got the right leverage that I could push her away. She tripped and fell back onto the ground. At that point, I ran like hell. Now, there were eight people within eyesight when this went down. Not a single one even lifted a finger to help. In fact, I was accosted by two women who were watching. They wanted to call the cops on ME for pushing her away. My clothes are solid crimson at this point, my arms are covered in blood and I’m bleeding all over the place, and I’M the fucking bad guy in their eyes.
The next day, I’m having lunch with one of my best female friends. We’d known each other for 12 years. As I’m explaining why my arms look like I was mummified, she asks me “So what’d you do to cause this?” As the conversation continued, it kept coming back to that. She kept looking for something I did that would justify that psycho trying to fucking murder me. About that point I realized that when it comes down to friends vs gender, even your oldest friends will choose the latter. I’m a man, so I *must* have deserved it, PERIOD. Haven’t spoken to her since that lunch, and good riddance.
That was the turning point for me. I stopped seriously dating, stopped approaching women. I essentially went Zeta without knowing what it was. And I don’t miss the BS of dating in the least. I still get approached by women, but I’m *far* more selective about who I say yes to.
Just wanted to take a moment to opine that I think the article is brilliant. Looking forward to seeing more.
“I’m not a big guy, so overpowering a berserk woman is no easy feat.”
@Bill: tell this to the police….they told me that they usually dont help men in situations like this because they think that a man is ALWAYS stronger than a woman and doesnt need protection. But even if u r able to protect urself in a situation like this…u will only get, like: “what a pig! this strong guy beats a poor weak lady!!”
OK, the guy in the video went there deliberately to be rude and antagonistic. He was not “protesting”, as he claimed. He was not making any arguments or raising any issues. He was just being a dick.
This is NOT the type of video or behavior we should be promoting in order to advance the cause of men’s rights. Stuff like that is merely cannon-fodder for the feminists, and it should be discouraged.
Are judges biased against male victims of domestic violence?
It appears to be so…
http://www.nfvlrc.org/docs/RO_manJFV_RESUB.RevFeb8_byJohn.pdf
Many TRO’s and PO’s [protection orders],” concludes a Hawaiian task force on restraining orders, “are obtained by one party to a dispute to try to gain advantage over another party in future or ongoing divorce proceedings or a custody dispute” (Murdoch, 2005, p. 17). In California, the Family Law section of the state bar expressed concern that domestic violence restraining orders “are increasingly being used in family law cases to help one side jockey for an advantage in child custody and/or property litigation and in cases involving the right to receive spousal support” (Robe & Ross, 2005, p. 26). A retired Massachusetts judge revealed to the press that, in his experience, one-third of restraining orders are strategic ploys used for leverage in divorce cases (“Retiring Judge,” 2001). Attorneys Sheara Friend and Dorothy Wright, the latter also a former board member of a battered women’s shelter, estimate that 40 to 50% of restraining orders are used to manipulate the system (Young, 1999). In some cases, mothers secure custody despite a history of abuse against the father or the children (Cook, 1997; Pearson, 1997).
Basile(2004) found that women’s abuse protection requests were granted 91% of the time, compared to only 66% for men. Conversely, men were twice as likely to have their protection requests denied compared to women; 360% more likely to have their issues deferred compared to women; 110% more likely to be evicted if the litigants had a child together; and 29% more likely to be evicted if they did not share a child.
The present study sampled family court records of TROs maintained by the Sacramento Superior Court.
The first objective of this study was to compare the frequency of domestic violence TRO petitions made by female and male plaintiffs. As anticipated, female requests for protection were significantly greater in number than those for men, with the vast majority of cases involving female plaintiffs alleging domestic violence by a male intimate partner. Specifically, of the 157 petitions, 131 files (83%) named female plaintiffs and 26 files (17%) named male plaintiffs,
Of 130 TRO requests filed by women for which violence level was known, 15% (n = 20) were rated high violence, 40% (n = 52) were rated moderate violence and 45% (n = 58) were rated as low violence. In comparison, the level of violence alleged in the TRO requests made by men was rated as high for 19% (n = 5) of the files, 35% (n = 9) were rated moderate violence and 46% (n = 12) were rated as low violence. {not much difference between distribution of severity}
Of the 25 TRO petitions filed by male plaintiffs, 44% (n = 11) were denied compared to 5% (n = 7) of petitions filed by female plaintiffs.
NCK said:
“Catch your wife (not girlfriend) in bed with another? She get two left hooks for every one the dude (or other chick) gets. Period. End of discussion. ”
NCK, in such a situation it would be more productive to punch yourself in the face for being stupid enough to remain in a relationship with someone you do not love, and who does not love you. Period. End of discussion.
Yes Bill MOST Women are far less then stable and one thing that REALLY PISSES ME OFF the cunning BITCHES WAIT UNTIL YOU GO OUT RING THE COPS UP THEY WAIT THERE UNTIL YOU GET HOME AND THE BITCH CRIES RAPE AND THEY CART YOU OFF
AUSTRALIAN WOMEN WILL WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE OUT OF THE HOUSE BEFORE DOING THE DIRTY ON YOU and YOU GET BACK AND BAM! TSRHTF! THE COPS USE PEPPER SPRAY ON YOU FOR NO REASON AND CART YOU OFF FOR “QUESTIONING”
@ TByte
Who is promoting that behavior of the guy in the video. Not me, and not this site, but the video is instructive just the same.
News flash, there is no law against being a dick. I agree he was disruptive and rude, but, another news flash, speech that no one finds objectionable or off putting does not need the benefit of constitutional protection. Those protections are there specifically for speech that people will object to. And it is a good system.
He has a right to be a dick, even if I don’t endorse, or emulate it.
The women in that video, on the other hand, do not have the right to lie to the police about him committing criminal threats.
THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE.
If manners were my concern, I would find another arena for activism. That video illustrates exactly what we are up against, simply for voicing our free speech. With respect to your statement about what the MM needs, my take on it is that we attack the greater evil, in this case, lying to police. They need not be lying about an angel to warrant my concern.
I just cannot get my head around the fact that the police told him that he cannot “disrespect women”. They probably threw this outrageous warning in after they found out that the women were lying. In the minds of the cops, it didn’t matter that the women lied. What matter was that the women were unhappy with the personal conduct of a man, and were still unhappy when the cops showed up. Thus, the man that was making them unhappy must be arrested. Astonishingly, lying to the police was no longer a crime if it benefited women and harmed a man. We honestly live in an anti-male police state. No doubt about it. But I also have no doubt that the MM will continue to grow until the ground shakes.
The judicial system underestimates the mental illness inherent in most women.
Yeah, it’s never OK to hit a woman, because you’ll be in the wrong…
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/bisley-assaulted-exwife-court-found-20100915-15c62.html
He was found guilty of being a man in a domestic dispute. It didn’t help him being famous either. The language and arguments used by the magistrate are appalling.
Vilseck, Germany December 1992. An army NCO comes home after two exhausting weeks of field maneuvers. He’s tired, cold and hungry. His wife is mad at the world and wants to go home for Christmas and starts a huge argument.
He repeatedly tells her to let him get a good nights sleep and talk about it in the morning. She then pulls a large kitchen knife and buries it in his left eighbors houseshoulder; in the ensuing struggle (him trying to get the knife out, her trying to get the knife to stab him again) he pulls the knife out and accidentally hits her in the face with the back of his hand. She immediately runs to a neighbors apartment screaming bloody murder. Even though their two teenage children tell the truth about what happened, the only voice heard was the lies of the wife.
Awesome video , I loved the part where he told the one woman don’t touch me you fat ugly pig Bawhahahaa thats was classic. The cop was pretty cool i suppose but it would have been better if he had allowed the protester to stay.
All I have to say is that I’ve totally lost any interest in the continuation of western civilisation due to feminism and misandry. I feel like a jew in nazi germany just because I’m a man. I’m 48yo and my list of greivances just goes way back to when I was 5 years old when my mum kicked my father out…..my life went down hill from there. Since then I’ve experienced a loony wife….I mean loony too….locked up in padded cells numerous times…..on cocktails of drugs…still….anything she done to me didn’t matter….it’s only when she was a harm to herself that they gave a shit. Two other marriages…….a feminist sister…….mother. To many things to mention. The problem is that women are selfish…..emotional…..unreasonable…….I consider them nothing more then large spoilt children. They are always on women’s side…..and most men are too. We need to destroy civilisation to get back mens rights. When we take away everything those women need……that us men have given them…..and revert back to an 1800s lifestyle…….then men will be valued again. I certainly wouldn’t fight for my country……not even at threat of death…..I’d fight on the side of any enemy that wanted to destroy it……as long as they weren’t a feminist ruled enemy. Lots of men as starting to turn gay……refuse to marry……or cohabitate…..or enter into any committed relationships…….thats good…starve the beast…..hopefully the trend continues. The only way women will support mens rights is if it is in their best interest to support mens rights. If they can’t find a meal ticket…….or even a man who will stick around more then a few fucks…..maybe they will hate their feminist heros for making the world like that. I know I am a product of feminism……..100%…..and I want nothing to do with women at all…..I think they are all useless greedy selfish sluts……and of no value except as incubators. Oh…….I have a very nice…….rewarding life for the last 7 years…….since I decided to have nothing to do with women. Once you get it through your head that they have no value and represent nothing but risk to you and your assetts…..and your freedom…..and avoid them as much as possible……it’s amazing how much freer you feel…..and how much more money you have……..try it…..you’ll like it.
Sadly the second video was removed from youtube. I wonder why.
Which video was that, Daniel? One of mine?
Im glad to see their is some common sense left in the usa. Yes any dumb jock with a ged can become a pig in this country! When I think of stupidity and gutlessness I think of faggots in blue. As a criminal justice major myself I must sayhalf the clas was on dope and the other half could not wait to dress like they were going to invade poland. It is a proven fact that most people who work in lawenforcement are insecure with out their badge. The american soldier now there tough. Also most correctional officers would shoot as look at cops if they could get away with it. Cos have the toughest job in lawenforcement not cops. And who gives them the right to make moral judgements and violate our constitutional rights? The truth is these nazis commit more domestic violence than anyone else and it is a proven fact! Fuckin hypocrites that they are losers! The american justice system is a joke as in like it should take its right arm of the law and do what hitler should of done in 1933 shove it up its asssssss! And you can blame the pigs in torrington ct. And the townhall for that matter when they fucked up the tracy therman case in 1985! The yruth be known if a pig was getting his ass whipped at home by his wife he would not say anything because like any emasculated piece of shit he would be to embarrased to admiy it. Alot of them are pussies with out a badge and the jury is out on that one. From a dominant male Fuck You torrington pd. You SUCK!
I can’t ever imagine being angry enough to punch a woman. However, if I was angry enough or if I needed to defend myself I know exactly where I would punch her.
Right in the vagina. Why? It’s the one place she’s not going to show the cops or the judge.