Use of the Word “Creep” Demonstrates Female Privilege

As a self-identified MRA, I encounter a lot of argument based in formal logical fallacy. It’s sharpened my rhetorical skills, particularly in the detection and debunking of arguments formed around formal logical fallacies. If you’re a men’s rights advocate, or you’ve argued with detractors of men’s rights, then this sharpening of skills is probably true of you as well.

An ad hominem argument is the attack on the speaker rather than the points of the argument. The major unstated assumption is the formation of argument with an implied acceptance of an unmentioned false premise. The appeal to authority, to force, and to emotion are all examples of logical fallacy.

One of the major arguments between the men’s rights movement and radical as well as gender feminism is the claim by feminists that women are now, or have at any period in recent history, been oppressed.

The power of, and near universal use by women of one particular logical fallacy, provided in context, explodes this idea. To supply the context necessary to grasp this, an awareness of  hypergamy is useful.

Hypergamy [1] is the practice and custom among women of marrying upwards. It is the tendency of women to seek male partners who earn more than they do, or have a higher social status than they do.

The phenomenon complimenting this is males marrying socially or economically downward. Men do this as a means of reducing the probability that their spouses will cheat on them. As much as men and women may claim that marriage is a social institution built on love, or on god, the reality is that a marriage serves the same purpose as a business contract. Marriage, and every derived relationship, including boyfriend-girlfriend and romantically involved cohabitants, are about distributing wealth and other resources within the partnership between a man and a woman. It is not an accident that even with a real imbalance favoring men in lifetime earnings, it is women who spend 65% of disposable income [2], a number predicted to rise to 72% by 2028.

Women cheating on men within this framework can be better understood as defrauding their business partners of funds and resources from the partnership.

Women, speaking from a biological perspective have the natural advantage in this, in that women are now, and have always been the sexual selectors of the human race. Men by contrast are the competitors for sexual access to women who select from the competitors.  Selection – meaning the propagation of genes. Failure for men in this competition means the extinction of their genetic line.

In any civil society in which brute force is not the absolute rule, this selecting power places women in control over sex, and thereby, in control over men; something everybody knows at the instinctive level.

This is why public social ostracism of a man, by a woman, is so powerfully devastating. We’re tapping into reproductive survival instincts that predate Neolithic culture.

I mentioned that men and women understand this dynamic of reproductive selection on an instinctive level. That is why the use, by women of a particular formal logical fallacy destroys the notion of women’s oppression, or patriarchy, or the fallacy of women’s lesser status within society.

If a woman is displeased with a man, or wishes to control his behavior through shame and fear, or is just in a disagreeable mood for no good reason, she will call him a “creep.”  This is a universally popular tool of rhetoric used against men, by women. Some men will also use this – but when they do, it’s almost always in support, or anticipation of female condemnation of the target.

It is, of course, a formal logical fallacy. It’s the ad-hominem argument. And it’s used, even by rhetorically skilled females who would ordinarily be subject to ridicule for deliberate use of logical fallacy in argument over any point of philosophical disagreement.

It’s a unique and special ad hominem attack, in that it doesn’t actually have any distinct meaning, other than something along the lines of: “Man who I now condemn”.

Arguably, the worst thing a woman can say to a man, short of false accusations of rape, battery, molestation or sexual harassment, is the word creep.

Now in the past I’ve made the argument that in debate, anybody who repeatedly falls to the tactic of formal logical fallacy can and should be denied further attention or consideration. In using logical fallacy in argumentation an individual is actually pointing out that they have no creditable argument or leg to stand on. They’re implicitly admitting that their point of view is irrational, and should be ignored.

For individuals using the ad hominem attack of the word creep, this is no different, and further consideration of their expressed point of view is unjustified, until or unless they demonstrate a pattern of discussion eschewing continued reliance of logical fallacy.

That the word creep continues to be the go-to tool to marginalize any man’s point of view illustrates the social power society grants women and the exception from adherence to civil discourse we all indulge in. If you can repeatedly get away with use of such an obvious formal logical fallacy, then you do sit on a pedestal of privilege.



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  • forweg

    For every female-specific insult or slur (like bitch or slut) that women like to whine about so much, you can be sure there are 100 such male-exclusive words.

    The difference is that if a man calls a woman “bitch” or “slut” in a public place, he’ll be shamed, harassed, and possibly beaten. A woman calling a man “creep” or “weirdo” will meet only approval. Of course, the men (and even boys – my 10 year old cousin is currently being bullied in school through use of the word “pervert”, for no identifiable reason) most prone to being called creep or weirdo are less than human to this society from the day they’re born.

    • John F.Vervoort

      I wonder who the people are that gave this thumbs down.

      • by_the_sword

        Who cares. The truth hurts.

  • Lovekraft

    You are lucky to even get such a response from a feminist or mangina, for in most cases, they close their ears, stomp their feet and pull temper tantrums until you either go away or capitulate. The View, a sad excuse for current affairs analysis, promotes this type of ‘reasoning.’

  • Keyster

    “Creep” is by definition a word used by women to describe an undesirable man. There must be something very offensive or disagreeable about a man to be called a creep. It’s meant to shame him and marginalize him with other women. When a woman calls a man a “creep”, it’s code to other women in her circle of influence that he is to be avoided as socially unacceptable. You must never be seen interacting with him on any level. There’s something defective about him. He’s the opposite of “hot”.

    Men who openly disagree with feminism or female superiority are automatically deemed to be creeps. Also, men of low status who try way too hard to be “selected” by attractive women or women clearly “out of their league”, are viewed as creeps by default. They are neatly catagorized as too disgusting to even consider dating, let alone having sex with.

    Most guys, unless they’re blessed with magnetic good looks, will be labeled a “creep” at some point in their lives. If they allow it to affect them negatively in some way, they’ve given the female selection process too much power.

    • Keyster

      Imagine Bill Gates decided to persue a career in accounting, (rather than pilfering other peoples software and marketing it, making billions in the process). He works for a small company, drives a Ford Taurus, lives in a decent one bedroom apartment. He’s doing OK for himself. Every Friday night he puts on his “go-to” cardigan sweater and ventures out to hit the club scene in downtown Seattle. He goes to the trendiest clubs and asks only the best looking women to dance with him. Creep.

      Now imagine the REAL Bill Gates, same sweater, going to clubs and hitting on the most attractive women. Not a creep.

      • Tom

        Yes. Money, status, and power. Does it every time. Of course, most of us have to deal with something like this:

      • John F.Vervoort

        Actually he can go one step up and drive a Mercury Sable–that might get ol’ Bill some more ass !

      • Ceryle

        You don’t think that if accountant Bill Gates were Wilma Gates, a similarly geeky-looking female bookkeeper, overweight and broken out and decked out in her dowdiest duds, and went to a club expecting to ask the hottest guy there for a date that he wouldn’t laugh her off? Or that, if she were incredibly wealthy and successful, and presented the same way, that she wouldn’t have tons of hot but opportunistic young studs after her for her money? Have you never heard the phrase “toy boy”?

        Besides, Bill Gates has much better taste in women.

  • Snark

    “Arguably, the worst thing a woman can say to a man, short of false accusations of rape, battery, molestation or sexual harassment, is the word creep.”

    The difference between these examples and being called a creep is that false accusations will cause other people to be violent towards you.

    Being called a creep only affects you insofar as you let it.

    If you’re not getting under their skin, you’re not doing it right. ‘Creep’ is a shaming tactic just as boring as any other.

    I’m proud to be a creep … in the same way I’m proud to be a gay virgin rapist with a small penis who lives in my mother’s basement and hates women. Did I miss anything?

    • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

      No my freind you did not miss a THING!! Crackin up over here!!

    • John F.Vervoort

      RIGHT ON !

  • Captain DaPoet

    As far as I’m concerned each and every female I come in contact with is a financial rapist, creep, bitch or whatever until proven otherwise; and, I have absolutely no intention of giving any of em the opportunity to prove themselves otherwise as the risk to my own financial present and future is just too great to ignore.

    Politeness means nothing because it is simply politeness and hides a multitude of sins along with the personality of a rattlesnake behind a pretty face.

    • John F.Vervoort

      That is why Tom Leykis on his radio show asks “Do you care ?” in order to expose all of these phonies for what they really are.

  • Roland3337

    The use of the word “creep” is among the cruelest tools in the female arsenal. I have read more than one story of how this has basically devastated the social life of a young man during their undergraduate years.

    And the female privilege is highlighted by the fact that males have no way of striking back with their own ‘go-to’ response, without appearing more Beta and as Roissy likes to call ‘butt-hurt.’

    As John points out, for rational and logical MRAs, this has far less power to wound us. We can see it for what it is. But for younger men with fewer rhetorical skills, they are hog-tied.

    Pisses me off.

  • Paul Elam

  • Anonymous

    My ex believes that some high percentage of men that she is not attracted to are ‘gay’ or ‘creeps.’ To women these men barely exist.

    At my university are a number of campus organizations (sororities etc.. ) that maintain listservs with anecdotes about ‘creepiness’ and short lists of acceptable men to date/sleep with.

  • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

    OK, theres a lot of things I could add to this digging into the creepy OLD vault of my own experiences. But..and I never thought I’d let this annoy me…..who is doing all this downvoting?

    Yeah yeah I know…futile question huh?

  • Jimmy

    …And demonstration that a man’s worth is only measured by his usefulness to women.

    A woman has no use for a creep, and therefore to be seen as a “creep” is about the lowest level that a man (and his status) can get.

    I guess it’s meant to describe a clingy, pussy-begging, beta kind of guy that women have zero sexual attraction towards and actively avoid.

    Though, I think if I were to be called a creep my response would be very… well…. just Meh.

    • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

      “You can judge a woman by how she treats a man who will do nothing for her.”

      A quote I saw at The Ghost Nation

  • elvis

    There are substantive differences between the Equality feminism of 30 years ago, and new “gender-raunch feminism”.
    Ive seen some of the propaganda of the “equality feminism” of 30 years ago, that finds pornography as degrading.
    To contrast this to the new “gender-raunch feminism”; gender-raunch proffessors are all about sexual preferences, and how homosexuals have been society oppressed for thousands of years. (this is a substantial difference from the modest equality feminism of yesteryear).
    When this gender-raunch proffessor that just made the news recently, took that saws-all with a dildo on the end of it to his girlfriends vagina…thats pretty tame compared to some of the nasty perverted shit other “gender-raunch” proffessors exspose their students to.

  • Izzey

    Excellent article John.

    When reading something that resonates; I find myself remembering some of the most impressionable years of my life.

    My childhood.

    There was a young man in my class that came from a rather poor family, and it was more than obvious to the other children in school because of his clothing, lack of the status symbol lunchbox, bookbinders, and such. He was very shy, but I remember him well, because he was also very smart …always raising his hand in class knowing the answer. It was the only time he was verbally social.

    He contracted ringworm. His head was shaved, and he was kept out of school until it was cleared up. This became public knowledge, and everyone nicknamed him “Ringworm” and it would stick with him throughout the rest of his years in school. He graduated and moved away. I had not heard a word about him, until I went on the social site for school alumni (I will not promote the site here) for people looking to reconnect with their school chums.

    Someone saw my profile, and wrote to me the usual “how are you….yadda-yadda.” Then they started telling me all about ‘who’ was doing ‘what’ these days. I read the note… a little bored, because I knew about most of them. Then she said—“and do you remember RINGWORM?? Well, he’s a successful businessman, and a fucking millionaire now!!!!!” (She saw him at a reunion that I did not attend) She then went on to say….”and he’s fucking GORGEOUS!!”

    I was smiling ear-to-ear, thinking aloud to myself– “good for you, Michael” (that is his name, and that is what I called him) I was ashamed of my classmates. But none of those people were my friends. They were classmates, and many of them self-centered and cruel.

    Tagging someone with a name that specifically defines, or intentionally humiliates– is the ultimate display of ignorance. Not power. The power an ad hominem exchange has for me, is my enlightenment of the person inciting it. Not the person they are addressing.

    When I see a fabulous article, (written here or elsewhere) and a poster critisizes its grammar, punctuation, or anything except the topic itself….I feel the same way. You are calling them stupid, illiterate…whatever. I view it as a very personal attack. Best to say nothing; than qualify your pompous indignation. I can use ten dollar words…or fitttty-cent slang, as long as I get the point across, and it means something. I feel that way about every writer that has something to say.

    I do not remember ever calling a man a creep. I do remember calling some movies I have seen…creepy. Never a man.

    I do have one word I use to insult.


    Gender universal– as both genders have one, and both genders have behaved like one… at some point in their lives. And I do not exclude myself from that statement.

    No pedestal or power should be acknowledged here. It is just another ridiculous display of what an asshole is capable of. In this case, a bunch of female assholes that may one day look in the mirror and see nothing but their asshole…. staring back at them.



      YAY!! :)


    I have had women call me a sleaze and creep, and I just retort “and loving it” or “so how was the sex?” or “true but I fuck well”

    Guys arguing with a women or mangina is easy just out gross them!

    • Paul Elam

      My last retort to being called a “pig” by a woman:

      Praise Jesus! Without pigs you couldn’t look down on anyone.

      • Snark

        “So how does it feel, for your gender to have been outsmarted for ten thousand years by farmyard animals?

        Watch out feminists … TEH CHIKENS ARE GUNNA GET U NEXT

        • Robert K

          Brilliant!!! I’ll use that at the first opportunity.

      • Attila L. Vinczer

        I recall a heated debate during the “Mad Cow Disease” outbreak. One smart ass female said, “Do you know why men can not get mad cow disease? Because all men are pigs!” I responded with, “By your own assertion and admission only women can be cows and are the only ones that can be diseased and mad!”

  • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

    I love this website

  • Promoman

    The true definition of creep is a man who doesn’t serve a purpose for a woman. The undesirable, unattractive, and all the other terminology are frills that’re used to drive the point home by women. It’s always a source of amusement to eavesdrop on women or witness them bashing a so-called “creep”. The real question is what in the Human Genome produces such temerity, stupidity, and hypocrisy in the Unfairer Sex to deem themselves authorities on the subject? Of course this comes from a gender who has a gene that can make them irredeemable hybristophiles, pedophiles, human pinatas, and just plain fuck-ups at the drop of a hat just to make their ‘ginas tingle.

  • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

    Look reading this great article and comments after prompted me to google some stuff on “shaming language”. And what came up was a website of a guy calls himself Man Boob. He’s apparently anti-anti-feminist. Anyone know much about this guy?

  • Denis

    Good article. Creep is a popular one, so is loser. I really don’t think there are any suitable equivalents to use on women who don’t meet our standards, we should come up with some.

    Ad hominen is often best ignored and responded to with logic. However, if there is already a significant advantage on your side of the debate, then you can have fun with it.

    Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.

    When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser”

    • Robert K

      I don’t see “creep” or “loser” as being gender specific. True, they have been used mainly on men but there is no reason why they cannot be used on women. I have called a woman a loser once and she totally (and I men totally) lost it. This was, of course, an admission I had gotten under her skin and that she was in fact, a loser. A female equivalent of “creep” might be to call a chick a “fugly” or a “bicycle” (as in, town bicycle). Both of these will hit a chick where it hurts – her looks and her reputation.

  • Attila L. Vinczer

    Creep(y) is so lame. Lame is another infamous female vocabulary treasure used for anything she thinks a man is incapable of or when she just wants to degrade him and be condescending toward him for whatever reason or no reason at all.

  • Dusty

    Thank you for this article, John.

    I’ve often thought that when something becomes popular, its original meaning becomes watered-down. I’ve noticed that in the last ten-or-so years that people were using the word “creep” more often- “loser” is another one- and because they use them as a blanket condemnation to describe anything from rude, to shy, to undesirable guys, it’s lost meaning.

    It’s wonderful to come here and see my own thoughts reflected back at me.

  • Stu

    Loser sounds best when it comes from a woman with a few kids with different fathers, living in a government house and getting a sole parent pension and child support, because after all, you need high intelligence and motivation and all that good shit to achieve all that.

    • mideonphish

      I was called a “loser” about by a woman a week ago,

      My reply: “Yeah, If you’re ass is the grand prize honey, who’s losing?”.

  • Porky D.

    Not often i read something i didn’t already know, but this is one such case. Well done.

  • The White Rider

    “A man should never base his self-image on what women think of him in any case, because women’s concerns are too materialistic and self-centered. (“He that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife,” as St. Paul put it.) The men who have accomplished the greatest things for our civilization have not, by and large, resembled the heroes of women’s romance fiction; indeed, they have been disproportionately celibate.

    Once a man realizes what triggers female attraction, and understands that women’s judgments of men are largely rationalizations of this attraction (or its absence), he will not be inclined to overvalue their opinion of him.”

    – F. Roger Devlin, The Feminine Sexual Counter-Revolution and its Limitations

  • bob

    I really think that you are taking this a little far. In my reality, if you approach a woman the wrong way, you are a creep. Go learn some social skills. Then approach her the right way. Just like women have to learn social skills to approach guys the right way. I feel like you are way off base with this one. Every woman I have ever talked to tells me she meets a creepy guy or a “creeper” because he’s obviously got some intention behind some action that he does. If a female does that to me, I simply ignore it because I take it as a compliment, because she tried for me.
    If you are a 40 year old and you hit on my 20 year old GF and your friends with her dad, your a creep. I don’t care.(just an example)
    Guys deal with rejection all day every day. There are BILLIONS of women on earth. If one treats you bad go find the others that will be good to you. But in all reality it isn’t a woman’s fault for labeling you as such. You did something to get that label. Just like the double standard of a woman being called a slut or a guy being a player. you did SOME form of action to earn this title, wrong as it may be.
    So here’s the reality of it. Either stop doing things that get you labeled, or deal with the consequences of your actions.

    • Paul Elam


      What “social skills” do men need to learn about “approaching” women that they do not already employ with men?

      Your comment has horse whinny’s written all over it.

      • John the Other

        Paul, clearly, we men should learn to whom we tug our forelocks and bend one knee. Bob is here to straighten us out, confused as we are about our social station. Women using “creep” to repel unworthy, lowly males are wholly justified, since women should always be deferred to, and never addressed without a note from the teacher giving us permission. Thanks for the instruction Bob, Ive certainly learned my lesson.

        • Paul Elam

          Yes, our friend “Bob” (Is that his name or what he does?) is here to make sure we are all schooled in the ways of non-creepery, likely for the sake of all things decent and chivalrous.

          I too stand corrected (Or is that kneel?).

          • Attila L. Vinczer

            Perhaps Matt is more accurate which is just beneath Neil.

            Some people don’t even know when they are being trampled under foot until they are ruined by a goring stiletto they thought looked innocent and cute. Only then do you see them here on side with tail firmly between their legs. “Creep” is one breath away from “rapist” or “paedophile” either of which will land a man in jail in a heart beat. The stigma associated with the use and abuse of these words pisses me off immensely.

    • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

      LOL-ok seriously..someone needs to smack your ear hard enough to get that air pocket out of your head. The point was feminist women resorting to ad hominem insults such as those when arguing!

    • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

      Bob let me just ask you, did someone DARE you to come in here and say what you just said? Because the way you infered that article was so unforgivably stupid I feel I must give you some kind of benefit of the doubt.

      OK done for the night

    • Demosthenes XXI

      Bob…creep is a woman’s “get out of jail free card.” Any woman who wants to defame a male just refers to him as “creepy.” Let me give you an example.

      A blogger on “ ( refers to Rep Dan Boren as a “creep” in a discussion regarding his support of some proposed anti-abortion legislation. Regardless of any opinion of abortion politics, the use of the word “creep” in discussing Boren is perfect proof of this situation.

      The blogger intentionally used the term “creep” against Boren in an Ad Hominem attack intended to damage his character. I don’t agree with Boren’s politics, but again this is a perfect example of the subject in question.

      Think about it, Bob.

    • mideonphish

      Sorry Bob,

      “Every woman I have ever talked to tells me she meets a creepy guy or
      a “creeper” because he’s obviously got some intention behind some action
      that he does.”

      You need to realise that every woman thinks this about almost everything that you (or indeed any other man) do.

      Women are highly paranoid, judgemental and extremely neurotic by nature,
      in modern society there is just no getting away from this.

  • Demosthenes XXI

    A phrase I’ve adopted from having seen it used on /r/mensrights is “creep-shaming;” used in the context of the phrase “slut-shaming.” In fact, I totally agree that it should be considered in the same manner.

  • Stu

    Women often use the word creep to describe a guy who is very successful getting laid to you know. In this case, he’s a creep because he fucks lots of women, and commits to none. Or even worse, commits to one, or two lol, and still fucks lots of women lol.

    I couldn’t give a rat’s arse if a woman calls me a creep, it’s sort of fun actually lol Because I need nothing from her, and there is no way she can manipulate me at all, for anything……and that’s why I’m a creep. And thats the way I see it.

    There are two ways to achieve this status. Lose your libido so that you have no attraction driving you to bend down and worship the pussy. I suppose you could learn to ignore or control it for the same affect, but most men with a decent libido will fail at that.

    The other way is have and secure all the sexual services you require, preferably from a variety of sources lol, and then women have no pussy power over you.

    This is another reason women are so obsessed with “you” being monogamous. Because if they are the sole suppliers of sex for you, they have complete power over you.

    So, when it comes to monogamy, just like drugs, just say NO lol

    • Ceryle

      I think a man who claimed he had committed to one woman while fucking lots of others is a textbook creep. Particularly if he gave her an STD in the process.

      Look, if being monogamous cramps your style, then don’t be monogamous. But if you claim to be monogamous just to get into some woman’s pants on a regular basis, you’re a lying creep.

  • bob

    I read the post. And at least someone gets what I am saying. Yay. I feel like because I disagree you would label me as someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Yea, I understand that people can use this term for character assassination. But also you need to understand context. Politics are just that. Let me ask you all one question. Who cares if some girl I never see again thinks I am a loser/creep/anything? I mean really?
    You think if I call some girl a slut she would care? No. She doesn’t. She’s gonna keep living life and not gripe about it. What are you all doing right now? Griping about a word that is used plainly out of context?
    On another note, this website gripes too much. I made a mistake coming here. Worrying about women who hate me is idiotic. Nothing I do will change it, so I will just keep living my life the best I can and not hold on to the past. Thanks website! Good luck to you all

    • Snark

      Thanks, bob. We all appreciate you dropping by.

    • scatmaster

      I guess bob can’t handle debate. Same old.

  • Stu

    This topic is just light conversation Bob. The mens rights movement is much more then worrying about names they call men. Good luck dismissing all the real issues feminists are causing for men. Maybe you think you will be imune.

  • http://none Sir Oliver of Zeta

    Well that was the first time I made a hostile post. I guess I am just getting irate with non-MRA men coming in here to shoot us down. Especially when it is done with such poor understanding of the various topics.

    And the point as I saw it was not to gripe about what individual women say to us but to get a clear picture of the motives behind women saying things like “creep” and “loser”. I always feel like I am better armed when I read articles like this.

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  • Peter Charnley

    “Good article. Creep is a popular one, so is loser. I really don’t think there are any suitable equivalents to use on women who don’t meet our standards…..”

    Therein lies the deep seated reality that lies behind the fraud of feminism. ‘Standards’ apply to many things and are applicable to different human groupings in varying degrees. But across the board men sit many more of life’s informal human examinations and are subjected to a far more rigorous degree of ‘anthropological’ inspection by their fellow citizens simply as a consequence of the very nature of their being as the real standard bearers, the real backbone, of human civilization.

    It is superficially extremely unfair, of course, in an age whose zeitgeist is dominated by a creed of radical feminism and by all the other fanatical ideals of left wing egalitarianism.

    But actually, when you peel away all the political bullshit and arrive at the real humanity of the mockers and insulters – it is an enormous compliment to men delivered in childlike, petulant, code by those who know, in their heart, that their own human grouping can never, collectively, meet those same standards.

    Just say to yourself ‘well thankyou maam’. And say to her ‘now just go away and grow up’.

  • mideonphish

    I used to find these purile insults to be mildly amusing and to a point I still do, nowadays I usually just ignore them.

    After all, if there is one thing a woman detests it’s having absolutely
    no attention paid to her whatsoever.

    If you ignore her she’ll either go crazy or she’ll just go away.

  • Midnight Gypsy

    A bit crude perhaps, but I like to think that….

    “Every Cunt is simply a Transport Mechanism for a Pussy.”

    “Now all we need is to find a woman who isn’t a Cunt, and you’ll have the Perfect Pussy”

    Do you guys think that will offset “Creep”?

  • Dusty

    To me, this article is about the general disconnect between the action and the accusation.

    She calls him “creepy” when he’s not being “creepy.”

    She calls him a “loser” when he’s not a “loser.”

    She assumes he’s just trying to get in her pants when he isn’t.

    She says he’s “staring” and he isn’t.

    I also believe that women use this as an ego boost. It feels really good to assume that everyone wants to fuck you to the point that you have to push them off you. I was at a horseshoe-shaped bar with a friend one time. There were two girls sitting across from us. After about fifteen minutes, one girl came up to us and started talking to us. She introduced herself, saying something to the effect that she figured she’d come over and talk to us, since we were staring at her and her friend. These girls were sitting right across from us. We didn’t have a choice.

    I understand that she was just trying to make conversation, perhaps even pick us up. But making unfounded accusations is not how you make conversation! So I responded to her, “Yeah, I was staring at you and your friend. Tell her she has a fucking mustache and needs to shave it off!”

  • Peter Charnley

    “On another note, this website gripes too much. I made a mistake coming here. Worrying about women who hate me is idiotic. Nothing I do will change it, so I will just keep living my life the best I can and not hold on to the past. Thanks website! Good luck to you all……”

    It is not about being hated as an individual my friend. Nobody starts movements or sets up websites & radio stations because of personalised persecution complexes – unless they suffered from schizophrenia and believed themselves to be a demi-God.

    This is about being personally & collectively hated simply because they belong to a human grouping that is presently being unfairly, ridiculously and profoundly maligned throughout the developed world. A human grouping that IS being persecuted.

    Those who are not aware of this are “idiotic” Bob. Those who are aware of this, but choose to do nothing about it, are both idiotic and cowardly.

    You can choose to live your own life the best way you can if that is your wish mate (until some aspect of feminist insanity closes in on you) – meanwhile others have decided to act. Have a good day.

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  • Ceryle

    The last time I called anyone creepy was in college, and not to his face.

    It’s true he wasn’t the most photogenic guy, but then I’ve always tended to be a bit wary of those, having in the past found them vain, superficial, and glib. He was an acquaintance from a musical ensemble in which I played, and he seemed to always show up and sit down at my table in the dining hall. I was aware that he was interested in me, and I was actually pretty open-minded at the time and decided to give him a chance. After all, he was intelligent and a talented musician, even if his social skills were a little lacking and he had a high-pitched, whiny voice which didn’t exactly suit his hulking, overweight frame, shaggy uncut hair, or pockmarked face; and even if his idea of humor was to engage in inappropriate sexual innuendo that could come off as–well, downright creepy. So when he asked me to go to a friend’s recital one Friday night, with pizza beforehand, I cheerfully agreed. He told me he’d come by to pick me up at six-thirty.

    I sat down in my dorm’s lobby to wait for him about ten minutes before our agreed-upon meeting time. Twenty minutes passed. Half an hour. After an hour, I started to wonder if I’d misheard him. Or perhaps he’d forgotten. Unfortunately, this was the era before cellphones (hard to imagine, I know), so I went back upstairs and checked my answering machine. No messages. I called his room. The phone rang and rang and rang. I hated for him to think I’d stood him up, so I went downstairs and waited some more. I had skipped dinner, so I was pretty hungry by this time, too. Finally, at the start of the recital time, I gave up and went back upstairs to do some work and cadge a Snickers bar from my roommate.

    At eight-thirty, my phone rang. He was downstairs, saying, “We’re late! We need to go NOW!” I came downstairs, kind of surprised that he’d finally showed. There was no apology, no explanation. “The recital is half over,” I pointed out. “Wouldn’t it seem kind of rude to arrive in the middle of it?” No, he didn’t think so. And there would be a party afterwards at this friend’s apartment, where I could get something to eat. We arrived just as his friend was beginning his final piece of the recital.

    We stood around afterwards while he chatted to some other classmates without bothering to introduce me (I introduced myself, but I’m afraid I’ve always considered it good manners to introduce one’s date to one’s friends, regardless of one’s gender), and then we set out for the party, which turned out to be a few seniors sitting around in their undershirts drinking beer and watching a football game. It started to become clear that they didn’t know this guy very well and considered him something of a pest, and I was kind of embarrassed that I’d come along as the uninvited guest of an uninvited guest. I stood there trying to make conversation with some of them, who were uncomfortable at this sophomore girl who had invaded their space and, if she was with this particular guy, probably was as weird and annoying as he was.

    On the way back, my “date,” who was apparently completely oblivious to any and all embarrassment, asked me if I wanted to go to a movie on Saturday night. I politely declined, saying that I was going to be doing something with my roommate and her friends. He still tried to hang out with me at lunch; I would be polite but refuse to engage him. He sometimes showed up outside the buildings where I had class and tried to walk with me to wherever I was going, until I had to get friends to meet me in order to get away from him. I wasn’t afraid of him, but I just couldn’t seem to shake him. Now I realize I should simply have told him I wasn’t interested, although I’m not sure that would have mattered–he would still have gone out of his way to try to “win me back,” rather than cutting his losses and finding some other girl to stalk.

    This went on even after I met the guy I would later marry (a Bill Gates type, incidentally, who wore (and still wears) argyle sweater vests and spent inordinate amounts of time writing code and doing physics problems; he’s a professor now–not exactly rolling in it, but I love him anyways, go figure). It was my fiance who first called him a “creep,” actually. Not long before graduation, he had encountered him in our dormitory lounge, where the guy had said pleadingly, “Take care of Ceryle for me.” My fiance didn’t know how to respond to this. I’m not sure what he said in response.

    Writing this down, I now wonder if, had I been more direct with him about how our date should have gone, things might have turned out differently (although I don’t think they would ever have been particularly serious). It’s clear he was inexperienced with women and not very well socialized. But I think it was the lack of common consideration that made me think he was a creep–keeping me waiting for two hours without calling me, apologizing, or offering any sort of explanation for the delay, and then putting me in one awkward situation after another–walking into a concert extremely late (and rudely so), then taking me to crash a small gathering of friends where neither of us was particularly welcome. I did not expect to be wined and dined in grand style (I was actually prepared to go dutch on the pizza) and I harbored no illusions about my date’s sex appeal (or lack thereof). It was his behavior, rather than his appearance, that made him seem creepy to me.

    I often wonder what happened to him.

  • never been creeped

    um, pretty sure creep is defined as a person (note the absence of gender there) who is frightening and/or disconcerting. If you’re being called a creep, you probably did something creepy or the person is using the word incorrectly. The word is conditional. It’s based on your behavior. So don’t do creepy shit, bro. Treat people with respect and be polite. Don’t force yourself on anybody. Don’t stalk folks. Don’t objectify folks. Don’t say weird, uncomfortable or awkward things until you get to know someone, and even then, there’s a line. And especially don’t self-identify as an MRA. Come on, bro, it’s not very hard to be not a creep!

    Judging by these comments a lot of creeps don’t like being called a creep. Well, sorry, bro, I don’t feel sorry for you, and I don’t blame Mary Jane Rottencrotch for not fucking you. Whine on, if you want, but it ain’t gonna help.


    • crydiego

      You’re the creep!