The progress of the Men’s Movement has not only been one of attracting more numbers to our ranks, but also a refinement of our understanding of the issues we face and the sources of our problems. As time passes there is more and more a recognition of the difficulties we face with other men, as opposed to just women and feminists.
Nowhere in recent times is this more evident than with Josh Jasper’s recent “anti-rape” video that has been making the rounds. With this one release Josh has scaled the scumbag ladder and is vying for top position. My view puts him two rungs ahead of Michael Kimmel, licking the heels of Joe Biden’s Ferragamo’s. I won’t bother with a detailed analysis of the video.
If the concept of res ipsa loquitor ever sufficed, this is it:
In response to this piece of misandric garbage, MRA Sound Guru Keyster has responded with vigor.
As succinct and devastating an indictment of Jasper’s “work” as Keyster has provided, I am not satisfied. I want more. This man deserves consequences for his actions. Some history on Josh is known. We know he was a marine and we also know that he was a Los Angeles police officer. Two areas for sure where the capacity for violence is a plus. Add to that the fact that he was on a Domestic Violence task force and this bad apple starts to stink a little more.
We know something else about him, too. When the going gets tough, he gets going…to his phone to call 911. After The Spearhead shined a little light on his misandric efforts, he is now alleging that he is getting death threats. I know this begs for a “poor baby” pun, but this fucker has me feeling anything but playful.
Anyway, my money is on the idea that he is just hamming it up for the media like a lying New York weathergirl who is crying rape, for attention that he ultimately hopes to translate into publicity for his company and the sympathy bucks that come with it.
But let’s set his whiney histrionics aside for the time being. Better not to be diverted from issues that may prove to be of real importance. Anyone want to take any bets on whether this alpha puke ever busted heads as a cop, simply because he could? It leaves one to wonder – especially given the intellectual violence he is so obviously willing to inflict on male children – just what sort of skeletons are in this douche bag’s closet.
If they are there, I would love to get my hands on them and rattle them together for the world to hear.
So, for any of you MRA’s living in or near The City of Angels, please consider a visit to the LAPD, and accompany yourself with the Freedom of Information Act. Or, even better, any of you that have access to a P.I., please consider his fee to dig up what is legitimately there on this man to be your lifelong donation to the MRM.
If there is dirt on this wannabe Silverback, and I think there likely is, it would benefit all of us to spread it everywhere in the universe it will stick- hopefully the first place that will happen would be on the face of his company.
What you come up with needs to be verifiable. I don’t want to commit a civil offense against him, no matter how deserving he is. But I pledge now to use every resource at my disposal to take any embarrassing, disgraceful detail of this misandric lowlifes life, and use it to cripple his ability to continue with this kind of evil. Please email any info you get rather than post it in the comments.
Tags: Abuse Politics, Josh Jasper, Misandric Douche Bag, Miscellaneous, Paul Elam
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I’d like to see the new “she’s nice” ad on TV. Or at least on every MM internet site in the world. We should make a place for a collection right here. How about one for false domestic violence allegations, gold diggers etc.
Yes I agree, Josh needs to be pursued and punished for his contributions to man bashing and hatred of males. I say males because it is no longer just men, it’s newborn babies even.
For some reason I can’t stop thinking of those SAW movies after seeing his video. No idea why.
Is there any way to make that video into a video response to the original filth? That would help get the message some exposure. Oh, and thanks Keyster for this video!
“Some history on Josh is known. We know he was a marine and we also know that he was a Los Angeles police officer. Two areas for sure where the capacity for violence is a plus. Add to that the fact that he was on a Domestic Violence task force and this bad apple starts to stink a little more.”
-Josh, you big fucking baby! The cops don’t care about you because you are a man. You know that already, tell us about how many men you dragged in on mandatory DV arrest with dominant aggressor profiling?
Interesting how he dropped by The Spearhead to explain that he has a lot to learn. He’s now worried about his reputation, lets expose this sick bastard.
I am for it as long as they are verifiable facts and not the hate filled speech feminists slather on anyone who dissents from their worldview.
Really Josh? A baby boy Josh? Already suspected of being a future rapist due to what, Josh, being male? This is bigotry, Josh. Planning on waking up soon?
Here’s a Copy/Paste of what he had to say on The Spearhead for anyone interested
Josh Jasper February 8, 2011 at 16:44
It is evident that all of you disagree with our television commercial that has been the center of many conversations in the past 48 hours. With that said, let me share with you a few outcomes within the same 48 hours:
1. 5 people have reached out for our free services, noting that they had never heard of Riverview Center before. (2 boys)
2. 10 people have expressed interest in becoming a volunteer.
3. An important conversation has begun. You may disagree with certain points that I or Riverview Center make, but the fact is that people are talking about sexual and domestic violence and debating how violence prevention can be realized. This conversation is the first, and most important step toward realizing our vision of a community free of violence. If you are familiar with this work, you know that this is a topic that most people do not want to talk about and minimize the toll that violence takes on so many.
There is also no question that we all, myself included, have much to learn in this work. I will say though, how can I learn from anyone that cannot provide me with constructive criticism without the personal attacks? (referring to me as a Nazi sympathizer suggesting I should be taken out and shot, calling me a “Mangina,” etc. etc.)
I wish the energy and passion that so many of you display in your comments could be channeled into positive action that would lead to ending violence. Maybe you are already doing that, and if so, I would like to learn from you.
What a load of garbage. A subject people don’t want to talk about? Is he smoking crack?
And to this:
Josh, in case you slink in here to read this, ask yourself how you would give constructive criticism to a racist who participates in lynchings.
That is the level you are on, so the treatment you are getting is what you deserve, here and at The Spearhead. There is more coming, too.
Your “ends justifies the means” bullshit response is only going to anger people further.
You want constructive criticism? Take that disgraceful ad off and then apologize publicly for ever having aired it.
And please spare anyone here more of your Peter Pan “Oh how I wish you all could be more constructive” nonsense.
I am going to “channel my energy” into exposing you and other sick people for what you are doing. It’s evil.
The days of this kind of hateful propaganda are going to end, and those that have been pushing it are going to pay a price for their misdeeds.
10 thumbs up.
I get exponentially more pissed every time I watch that video.
“Redefine what it means to be a man, because ending sexual violence begins with him…”
Because, of course, everyone knows that we men define ourselves as rapists and teach those values to our sons.
Thank you for standing up to this Paul. I’m completely at a loss for words to really describe how offensive it is, as a father, to have a newborn baby boy represent a future rapist. To simply call it misandry doesn’t do it justice for me.
“Redefine what it means to be a man, because ending sexual violence begins with him…”
I apologize, I’m writing from work, and my computer won’t download Flash Player, so I won’t see the video until later. But this is what he said? It begins with men?
No, it begins with the mother and father, and how they treat their boys and their girls, who are also capable of all forms of violence. This statement is just as hurtful and stupid as “You hold the power to stop rape in your hand.”
Keep off my dick, jerkface.
Ok, I’m clearly struggling to understand the issue here – I saw a video that was clearly about how traditional male values (men should be strong, men don’t cry, men should be tough not sensitive, etc.) may contribute to domestic violence, and how we should think about what we teach our sons about what being a man really means (if traditional masculinity is all about toughness and aggression, then Jaspers may have a point). I think the response to this video is way more offensive than the video was – this guy is being called a fucker, sick, evil, on the level of a racist participating in lynchings? Seriously? He’s not the one calling for people to hire private detectives to dig up dirt on anyone, is he? He just put out a video – feel free to disagree with it, but by actively seeking to destroy the man’s career you sink lower than he does. I’m thinking that the point of the video has been missed, which maybe means it was a poor choice, because the message doesn’t work if people don’t understand it. But really Paul, I think there are people out there who are much more deserving of condemnation than this man. It’s a simple call to be aware of the values we instill in our kids, something I think of every day when I talk to my son and try to teach him as much as I can so he grows up able to think for himself and to respect even those with whom he disagrees.
And a word on hateful propaganda, Paul: Throwing insults and baseless speculation into short paragraphs does not make a coherent argument. Not even if you toss in a bit of Latin to make yourself sound educated – by the way, it’s res ipsa loquitur, with a U.
You are oblivious to the hate that is contained in the message.
Its fitting that you mention lynchings as progressive politics is still empowering its self by calling political enemies rapists.
Josh WTH is wrong with you? Is this really the only way you can scrape up a living? What, couldn’t hack as a gov paid street thug? At least, IF put forth the effort , you could affected some positive change as a blue monkey. We all know what kind of “man” goes from tech school, to marines, just to end settling for a BS in criminology at UNI. Do you know how freaking dumb you have to be not walk through that place backwards? Then to cap off, right back to selling out as a thug with a badge, to pandering and pussy begging. If you have spent this kind of time in this environment, you know dam well your mandate as outlined with your VAWA funded “training” is to destroy men. Women have never had it better, and the men you sell out have never lacked more in relative, equal treatment and opportunity in the history of the world. How do you even bring yourself to cash your blood check? Why not just walk away and get a job at Wal-Mart, or ANYTHING else, something that adds to society instead of bleeds it of its last drop as it as it clings to life. If you’re so dam smart, how the hell did you end up at Kirkwood? You might fool a few fat feminist, but I know exactly what you are and how lacking you are. What did you mother do to you? ……..what else could we call you? You are the essence of MANGINA!
A bit of martyrdom from Josh’s blog.
Over the past 12 hours I have received hundreds of e-mails filled with rage. These individuals state that they are angry because I have dismissed male survivors in our work, glossed over the reality that women are violent, and only focus on the demise of men. These allegations could not be further from the truth.
Please note that your recent attacks have only provided me with a great deal of insight. Never again will I downplay your seething hatred toward others. I know now who you are and will begin organizing our counterattack.
I know who you are, too. And I am learning more as we speak.
He’s going to counterattack us for standing against hate and sexism, how enlightened of him. You go to it, Josh too bad you’re still “downplaying your own apparent hatred”.
GDamn! I’ll admit it.
I HATE self-righteous, sanctimonious, smarmy, feminized men, more than every feminist who ever lived. I mean they’re women. They have an excuse, crying is what they do. But guys like that; they really tweak my dweeb.
I never used to hate them.
They’ve made me this way over time.
Yep the mangina is a far more destructive and loathsome creature then any feminist. Full circle will happen when Josh visits one of the few that get destroyed as a child and end up with the pathology to actually do what he markets, to the sheep. It will be poetic when he someday visits his son the rapist behind bars. Only then will he come to terms with what he has done.
I say counterattack with all you have and know that we will be doing the same. I am no stranger to what is coming, and I invite it gladly. This movement will have its share of casulties just like any other.
If you want to strike take your first shot at me.
Shawn Butler
Nixa, MO
Former Soldier, Husband, Father, Brother, Son, Vet, MRA, and a Proud American.
And I promise that if you don’t hit your mark WE the MRA’s WILL!!!!!
Whats an MRA?
“Please note that your recent attacks have only provided me with a great deal of insight. Never again will I downplay your seething hatred toward others. I know now who you are and will begin organizing our counterattack.”
If this guy was in the real world he would have noticed that only one month ago no-one would have dared protest in Cairo’s Tahrir Square – everyone knew how the land lay and how easy it was to get squashed. Now all that’s changed. Anyone associated with the old order is sweating – the head guy will be lucky to get out alive if things get any uglier.
The same thing is brewing for the gender obscenity that has had its grip on the West for more than 40 years now. Only 6 months ago I could never have imagined a surge of men protesting in the streets, occupying the center of a capital city. Not any more – now it’s very conceivable. A lot of cops aren’t going to fire if ordered either.
That’s because deep down, a lot of cops are hurt little boys, and the peaceful, reasoned protests that are rising up in their brothers are bound to spark the life-orientation in them. Things are good.
“and only focus on the demise of men.”
Freudian slip?
At the risk of seeming spamish, here’s my blog on the matter…
http://themanonthestreet.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-to-promote-false-ideology.html
Go Get em Paul.. You are with brothers that will join in a moments notice.
TMOTS
Very nice Paul!
I got pretty pissed off about this and made sure everyone knew about, but my writing tends to be terse, and clipped until I calm down.
Your writing, actually gets even BETTER when you’re pissed.
Hats off to you, and 1,000,000,000+1 thumbs up!
“…that he ultimately hopes to translate into publicity for his company and the sympathy bucks that come with it.”
Yep, spot on there.
He dreams of stints on Oprah, Dr. Phil and America’s Most Wanted.
Simple ass f*cker doesn’t realize we gave at the office whether we wanted to or not.
VAWA alone has received almost $1 Billion (with a “B”) of our tax dollars since it’s inception. (Where DID all that money go anyway?)
His strategy is exactly that; to take the man hate to whole other level in order to differentiate himself from an already saturated market of gynocentric 501 (c) (3)’s. Next time he tries something he should probably take the pulse of the potential donors out there. Or do a little marketing research. Obviously they don’t don’t teach this stuff at the police academy.
Starting a charity that serves only women at the expense of men, ain’t as easy as it used to be!
Lmao! WTF is wrong with these people?? Can men be angry without being “Full of HATRED”?
The preoccupation with calling people haters and endlessly talking about hatred causes more problems than it solves. It tends to be a distraction and hatred is tough to gauge in someone. Maybe they’re just annoyed, had a bad day, etc. There are times when it becomes clear that someone really is full of hate but I think the subject gets way too much attention.
I put the person who goes around calling people “haters” in the same category as the Oprah viewer who go around diagnosing mental illnesses they never would’ve heard of without Oprah.
I’m getting pretty damn tired of it as well.
Between the Jew who hates Nazis for what they did to his family, and the Nazi who feels nothing about Jews other than that they must be exterminated for the betterment of his world, I’ll go with the hater any day of the week.
Sometimes hatred just makes sense.
outdated analogy but we’re both tired of the label. The reasons are what matters. Who hates who and why?
Guys, see if any your comments get through at the Des Moines Register, not likely because they are working to censor and control the narrative, like “Pravda” but it’s worth trying, if only to illustrate.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2011/02/08/tv-ad-sparks-death-threats-for-dubuque-man/
It looks like the des moines site is only allowing pro Josh Jasper comments. How typical.
LOL That’s awesome! They provide a picture of the guy who’s “receiving death threats”
and probably his address and work schedule, too! They’re really, really, scrapping the bottom of the barrel to come up with “journalists” these days.
So I said to my buddy the other day
“Guess what! I went on a date with Ashley, I told her that we were going to have sex”
“lol what’s she say?”
“She said that she ‘was tired and wanted to hurry to bed”
“So I HIT that bitch! dragged her to her bed and pinned her down and raped her then and there, it was AWESOME”
“Woah, dude, that’s GREAT You’re the most manly men ever!”
“Yea, then I told my son ‘don’t ever let a woman tell you no, to let her say no would be depriving you of your MANHOOD”
“Damn, your son is going to be the best rapist EVER! I saw the way he was looking at Lana he could have pulled off his diaper and did her right then!”
LOL.. I remember the days when my dad first took me aside and taught me how to rape like a real man..
….was just thinking of the “many faces of rape” after reading Antz comments about the expansive definition of rape in Sweden on another article.
I think many people in the MRM, like myself, believe in a pure definition of rape and object to calling anything and everything rape, but the more I think about that the more I feel that trying to maintain any real stigma around the word rape only serves to facilitate the words continued misuse by feminists.
Better that I casually throw around the word rape every chance I get to hasten its final destruction. When the word has lost its shock value it will cease to assist feminists in their vilification of men.
It might work in english. I’m from sweden. The word for rape in sweden is a combination of two words that pretty much guarantees that the shock value will not fall very far. Those words in english spells “Violence Taking”. The word is, however, often misspelled as and sounds like a combination of the english words for “Violence Mount”. I don’t think that that misintepretation detracts from the shock value though. Instead both of these interpretations work in tandem for most people generating the feeling of “Violence Mount Taking”
So in Sweden I’m guessing people insted of a decline in shock sensation will develop a feeling shocking absurdity if they put some actual events in relation to the term used.
There has, however, been suggestions of new laws to address the wide application of the word. Instead of labeling occurences of for example (claims of) touching a woman while she’s drousy in such a way she might regret it later with a milder expression a new term will be is put forth:
“Severe Violence Mount Taking”
That expression will probably generate the wish for death sentence after public de-penisation. And with such an important crime at hand, it will be deemed most important that no offender walks free and that the accusers words are considered always true, or it will traumatize her even more.
That’s happening by itself. Listen to the kids talk amongst themselves sometime.
That’s happening by itself. Listen to the kids talk amongst themselves sometime.
Oh gawd, if we could get something like this on SNL, it would a beautiful thing.
They did a man friendly sexual harassment skit, it’s not such a long shot.
LOL
As much as I would like to enjoy very clever “off the record” stuff like this.
“Out of Context” is a nasty bitch, and she’s coming for us.
Half the population wouldn’t get the irony, EVEN, if they were given the full context.
Peter Allemano’s review of Kimmel’s “Guyland” on Amazon quotes
Author/philosopher Francis Baumli thus:
“These feminist men — the squalling hysterical type — for all their protests against male power actually garner a great deal of power for themselves by thus setting themselves up as the archetypal protectors of women and feminism. They are, in their own minds at least, and in the ranks of their (relatively few, we hope) cohorts, the alpha males. It is a parasitic status, of course, and a pathetic power. But it is real, nonetheless, and they pride and preen themselves with it, although they would be the first to deny that they are feeling power, even as they glory in it.”
Kimmel and this Josh Casper douche bag are clearly cut from the same ragged and stinking clothe.
None of us seriously advocate violence of any kind, since we know that would play into the hands of the enemy. I would say this, however: If I walked by him on the street, and he happened to be on fire, I would not piss on him to help put it out.
A line from “The Lion in Winter,” one of my favorite movies:
“Let’s strike a flint and see.”
BTW…this guy Peter Allemano…he’s got two other very thorough reviews of one movie, and one other book, both of which reflect MRA themes and sensibilities.
Anyone know if he’s writing anywhere else in the manosphere?
Might make for an interesting guest on the radio station.
Peter is a member of NCFM and has done a number of interesting things including writing a skit on feminism about andrea dumbkin or something like that. He has performed it in public. I saw it at at a men’s conference in 2005 I think. Funny stuff.
@ Poester 99,
The DMR picture of Josh Jasper is tagged as “provided picture” rather than a “staff photo” by… So it could be him or someone else.
Also, the Google link for Riverview Center doesn’t convey diversity of population as is common in funded programs.
http://riverviewcenter.poweredby365.com/Home.aspx
“Josh is a sexual assault and domestic violence advocate”
http://riverviewcenter.poweredby365.com/Contact/JoshJasper.aspx
Lol !!
He advocates FOR sexual assault and domestic violence? Well he needs to be stopped then!
If ever anything proved that the anti-feminist movement is not simply ‘men vs women’, this is it.
Some of the most hateful anti-male hate speech I have ever seen has come from this man, Josh Jaspers. He is no brother of mine.
And, some of the most vociferous complaints against him have come from women – many of whom are mothers to young songs. Understandably, they are upset – if not made furious – by his portrayal of baby boys as rapists-in-waiting.
It’s not men vs women. It’s decent men and decent women as allies, vs hateful feminists. Keep this in mind always.
Young sons *
Absolutely. We need to get this through to the media so that when the feminazis start screeching about the MRM being men vs. women we can blast them with some women like Hestia, Erin Pizzy, Dr. Tara P, etc.
@ Y … yes there are a few of us out there.. who will stand side by side with me as we are sick and tried of all of it.
But you will notice more and more women will start to stand up – as they will see how it will affect their sons.. when they thought all was ok when it was them doing it to men.
I totally support the MRA… and stand shoulder to shoulder with my husband (except when I am making the coffee, cooking him dinner, doing the washing etc etc… lol)
sorry that should have said – **who will stand side by side with MEN as we are** ……
This is most assuredly what’s going to happen. A lot of women think it was just about telling them they can be more than housewives. How wrong they are, and how wrong they are beginning to realize they have been.
The more women that join us, the merrier. (Just don’t sell me a system of coercion and hate gussied up as something else. I ain’t stupid.)
Can we stop calling this asshole a man?
@Stu
“I’d like to see the new “she’s nice” ad on TV. Or at least on every MM internet site in the world.”
When the western world has eventually snapped out of the feminist induced ‘static trance’ in which it presently exists – which the forces of reality and societal decline, alone, render inevitable (the MM is vital for the ‘fast forward’ and ‘skip’ buttons) – this sort of material is a snapshot of what is likely to be influencing many future movies, documentaries, theater productions, novels etc. – not to mention government policy and academia.
This nightmare WILL come full circle. I loved Keyster’s version – exactly what the doctor ordered.
Nice work, Keyster.
I hope a copy went right back to the Riverview Center and Josh Jasper.
‘-See how he likes them apples…’
@Josh’s Blog
“Never again will I downplay your seething hatred toward others.”
If ever a giant word spelling ‘irony’ could be manufactued using billions of little red pills – this would be its inspiration.
everyone need to Flag the baby boy video.
@Paul – main article.
“Anyway, my money is on the idea that he is just hamming it up for the media like a lying New York weathergirl who is crying rape, for attention that he ultimately hopes to translate into publicity for his company and the sympathy bucks that come with it.”
Very poignant. I don’t know if you recall the early scene from the movie ‘Schindler’s List’ when Oskar Schindler, a member of the Nazi Party who began merely another war profiteer (but of course later changed tack and helped save many lives) – but before changing course, in the early scene, he commented to an associate about the arrival of something that provides a wonderful opportunity for making money – ‘war’ – he said.
There lies the sad poignancy of what you suggest about some, if not many, of Josh Jasper’s motives. Profiteering – professionally and economically – on the back of the ‘war’ that feminists have declared on men.
Evil, tragic, pitiful. Whatever words you choose. Humanity does sink to new depths at times.
Of course he is in it to make money and gain what he views as feminist friends, seems like if you are a nobody thats how you go about making it big these day.
He is and always will be a complete waste of organic material because one thing
that is blatantly obvious is that he just does not ‘get it’.
He is too caught up in his histrionic “You not feminist, me smash routine!” and
we all know that that is simply a cry for attention from the opposite gender.
And thinking about that, they are welcome to him too.
On another note those of us from the UK specifically the north west of England
can be moderately pleased with this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12401495
Some recognition at last.
It goes without saying that I personally (as I believe do most sound minded individuals) roundly condemn all forms of domestic abuse regardless of the
gender of the perpetrator.
I also believe wholeheartedly, that everyone on the receiving end
should get the same help and protection they need to get their lives back
on track again irrespective of their gender.
Additionally due to the increase in the number of false charges on these matters,
I believe that it is necessary to severely punish anyone found to be making it
up otherwise it these laws will continue to be abused as a weapon by malicious individuals (mostly women).
@bbc link (above)
“Cheshire Police released the statistic as they launched a campaign to urge male victims to report abuse.”
Well Cheshire/Merseyside is my neck of the woods. Seems like some wheels are beginning to roll in the right direction. Still a hell of a long way to go.
Peter Charnley,
“Well Cheshire/Merseyside is my neck of the woods. Seems like some wheels are beginning to roll in the right direction. Still a hell of a long way to go.”
Too Right, Peter.
Still a lot of ground to cover, judging by the number of Constabularies and Police Forces that DIDN’T bother to make similar announcements in
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (my neck of the woods btw).
Also we have to spare a thought for our friends in Australia, the US &
Canada to name a few places where sadly they are still getting nothing like
this level of domestic abuse recognition.
@Peter Charnley
Yes I do believe our civilisation is going to collapse. There is no doubt about that in my mind. The young men approaching adulthood now have very little reason to maintain this civilisation that hates them, and puts every obstacle possible in their path to prevent their success. If they manage to succeed in spite of that, every effort to transfer the fruits of their labour to women, government parasites, the legal profession, etc is almost sure to make it all for nothing.
In the very near future we are going to suffer energy crisis that will gradually get worse and worse with no end in sight. This will cause a depression. As our civilisation sinks like the titanic, instead of getting off mens backs so they can do what they have always done, invent, innovate and discover new ways to keep the machine running, the powers that be will opt for the women and children first, and men can go to hell. You can see what happens already. Haiti, New Orleans. Where ever there is natural disasters and the women and children first policies kick in the result is always the same, looting, rioting, killing.
The world is running out of chivilrous old farts that are willing to stand on the deck and play music while the women take all the space in the life boats. And it’s about bloody time. Now all we have to do is rid ourselves of those pathetic manginas like Josh, Manginanegger, Biden who will hold as at gun point to prevent us getting on the life boats.
“The world is running out of chivilrous old farts that are willing to stand on the deck and play music while the women take all the space in the life boats.”
I agree, this is a good summarization!
If someone is actually curious what you mean with this, just mention that it was and always has been about the women, and children (in that order) FIRST! The true face of the “patriarchy” is countless corpses of men drowned in the North Atlantic without lifeboats, or coming home in boxes from the wars.
@mideonphish
Actually I don’t condem all forms of domestic abuse, not as that is defined by law now anyway. I don’t consider it abuse when a man squeezes past his abusive wife to get out the door and away from her…..the law does. I don’t consider it abuse to yell back at a partner that is yelling at you……the law does. I don’t consider it abuse for a man to deny his wife unlimited access to the money he earns, or to place limits on responsible spending of that money……the law does. There are so many things that are labelled abuse now that I don’t agree with, and never will.
I would tend to agree that many relatively innocuous little things like those you describe, should not be ordinarily considered forms of domestic abuse.
Unfortunately, under current unjust laws in many places you will be
constantly forced to walk a very thin and constantly moving line.
Make no mistake, law enforcement officials wont care what is or is not considered abuse in your book.
They’ll be too busy kissing up to the feminist Domestic Violence lobby
groups to give a damn.
As a man you simply cannot afford to take any chances or they will put
you in a cell at the first opportunity, you can be certain of that.
Police urging men to report abuse LOL. I can see how this will turn out. Man goes to police with head smashed in with rolling pin. Police take statement, then go and interview wife. Wife says man has been abusing her for years, and now he is destroying her kitchenware by head butting it. Shows police collection of broken rolling pins, dented fry pans and saucepans. Police arrest man and charge him with domestic violence.
Men like Josh not get to take the label feminist, they only are and ever will be MANGINAS!
http://www.freep.com/article/20110209/ENT03/110209012/TV-ad-sparks-death-threats
@Jack
“There has, however, been suggestions of new laws to address the wide application of the word. Instead of labeling occurences of for example (claims of) touching a woman while she’s drousy in such a way she might regret it later with a milder expression a new term will be is put forth:
“Severe Violence Mount Taking””
Thanks for the post Swedish friend. I didn’t fully understand what you were saying – but I think I got the gist.
Sounds like our Scandanavian brethren will soon be seeking asylum for forgetting birthdays.
It is all quite surreal. Like being part of a dark Monty Python film. I just reassure myself with the certain knowledge that we will all eventually walk through the door marked ‘exit’ as far as feminism is concerned. And the days of reckoning will begin.
$200 to help anyone hire a PI to dig up the dirt on this scum-bag.
Yon don’t have to talk to me, I will make the donation to Paul and he can send the money to you. Paul just needs to tell me that someone has hired a PI, and I will add $200 to AVfM through PayPal.
Let’s make this piece of trash pay for his man-hate.
I will match that on a PI. Send me an email letting me know too and I’ll donate through PayPaL
I will match that too for an investigation, as long as there is some coordination with paul.
We have $600 pledged for a PI, as long as it is coordinated by Paul.
I guess all three of us have the same fear — some retired police officer who takes MRM money for poker with his police officer friends and laughs about anyone who would think that a police officer would ever cross the blue line of silence.
$600 will pay for a fairly serious investigation, so now we are just looking for a serious PI who wants the job and is NOT an ex cop.
Problem.
I am so angry, I started looking for PIs in the LA area myself.
Here is the problem. Every PI organization has a warning like this one, from MCM investigations:
“ALL INVESTIGATORS ARE RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS”
Police officers do not investigate other police officers. They will simply take your money, wait a week, and then say “there is no dirt on him.”
Not sure how to proceed.
It’s a good point. Let me do some checking. Even if it takes a few extra days, we don’t want waste money trying to cross the thin blue line.
Damn! Where is Jim Rockford when you need him???
LOL! Ain’t it the truth!
@AntZ
You took the words right out of my mouth. Not all PIs and ex cops though, I’ve got a good mate that’s a PI. Not much good here in Australia though.
That loser Josh is now claiming he is getting death threats in response to his ad.
The police have said that these annonamous forums are the problem. Get ready for some more anti free speech laws…….coming soon.
Oh, they mentioned a site that linked to his ad on youtube. Looks like he doesn’t want to give your site some free publicity Paul, because he didn’t name it.
@Stu
Police are the #1 enforcers of feminist anti-male oppression and hatred. None of them can be trusted, ever. I would never deal with police on any basis, any issue, any circumstances.
If there are no non-police PIs, then there is no PI option. Period.
Indeed. Never talk to a cop. Assert the Fifth Amendment at all times. Put your voice on the Internet and never stop shouting at them.
Cops in unguarded, off the record moments, will typically confirm that that is usually the best course of action.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Good. Conflict will bring eyes and ears to the cause. Those new minds will need to choose sides, and a cultural war like none other before it will finally begin in earnest. I love to see a good plan play out. Time for a fight.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned “original sin”.
As Toy Soldier has pointed out elsewhere this ad is saying baby boys are born rapists who must be changed or prevented in some way.
I don’t believe Josh is advocating baptism but he certainly believes all boys are born impure sinners.
@gwallan
I was toying with “original sin”. Yes, it is the intent. To “soil” all baby boys as having an inherent flaw that is absent in baby girls.
It is the most profound act of hatred that any human being can exhibit. To hate another human being directly after birth.
NAZI is too good a label for this monster.
The center that he works for – riverview – consists of:
32 women
5 men
1 gender-neutral name.
Is he really the “wizard behind the curtain”?
Or is he simply a spineless puppet for the real “boss”?
I would wager a guess at the latter.
Well, he is the CEO, so that makes him the target, at least IMO.
So Riverview is a Patriarchy
As much as any other institution is a patriarchy. A mangina at the helm whose every action is to promote women.
He’s probably just a puppet, but as the front man he is the primary target.
That is my concern.
The real “Wizard behind the Curtain” is one of the 32 women at the organization.
32 women.
5 men.
That is like – 86% women.
My nic – the ScareCrow – I love pulling back the curtain and meeting the wizard.
My response to their video is meant as a parody.
(Yeah, I know its sad to have to say it.)
If it were meant to actually convey a message about preventing false rape accusation it would have been ENTIRELY different. It’s “gender reversal”. A phrase coined by Gloria Steinem and a classic feminist tactic of debate.
If anyone is wondering if I’ll be producing more of these, whether it be in response, defense of or promotion…I’m just gettin’ started.
“Wait ’til they get a load of me.”
- Jack Nicholson, as The Joker in Batman
Would love to see one telling us we need to redefine women to put an end to child abuse, infanticide or parental alienation
I am working on a parody of the video.
As enraged as I am – I will “try” as hard as I can to make it funny – to expose these people for the clowns that they are.
By all means, let it rip. And I think it should be more brutal than funny, but do your thing man, I will be happy to see it here.
Guys – Not all men are abusers, however, women have been beaten and abused since the beginning of time. Until the past 100 years or less, there were laws on the books which specified how a man could (and should) hit is woman to keep her in line. (I’m curious is your group pro or against the legal right of men beating women. Do you think a married women is required by law to have sex with her husband?) Anyway, apparently, you have a problem with the fact that women are standing up and saying no more and no way. Yep, some women do idiotic and very abusing things like purposefully accuse a man of rape – the percentage is the same percentage as other crimes false accued, around 3-4%. Which means, guys, that 96-97% of women who accuse men of sexual assault or abuse are telling the truth. So not to take away the pain of those wrongly accused…it’s as abusive as being sexually assaulted. However, focusing only on the 3-4% with noting the 96-97% of women who are accused and are telling the truth, is just as wrong. Learn the facts guys…and help to stop the abuse of women.
Stacie,
We allow only temporary access by brainwashed ideologues to this site. Please go catch up on the last 20 years of research about domestic violence and please read some actual history books while you are at it.
Nothing you are saying here is even close to true.
And the next time you come to a website to tell people to “learn the facts” you might want to ask yourself if the people you are stooping to lecture to have studied this far more than you could ever dream of.
And this brings to mind a question for other readers. I am also going to put it in to the next poll. What do you want done with these occasional posts by clones who quote false history and statistics, but obviously believe what they are saying is true?
I know we have been here before, but it is worth revisiting.
Do we bother trying to educate them? Do I just create a page with a few examples by people like “Stacie” here and let you all debunk it for permanent display? Should I just pass these directly to the spam folder?
It is your call. Place your opinion here or wait for the next poll. It will start after the current one passes 200 votes.
I ask you all this because I wonder how long we are supposed to spend time debunking lies they start telling in 1966?
If there is consensus, I will build a page using Stacie’s comment as the template and let everyone have at it. From them on we can still approve their first comment and then respond only with a link.
For instance, the next person coming in talking about “rule of thumb” type bullshit, or the 96-97% of rape accusations are true nonsense, could just be directed to the False Allegation or DV page and save everyone the trouble and time of repeating themselves to someone who doesn’t know how to listen in the first place.
Sort of like a modified feminist/mangina page, only a little better.
Hi Paul,
That’s actually sort of the idea I had with my site: http://fightingfeminism.blogspot.com
It’s still a work in progress – still early days – but if you go to the link for ‘false accusations’, then a bunch of links come up about the prevalence of FRAs, feminist attempts to redefine ‘rape’ in order to imprison more innocent men, and a list of cases of FRAs.
The idea is that when one of these nitwits comes around here (i.e. the anti-feminist blogosphere) with their phony statistics, we can respond with a simple link to that page (or indeed, links to the pages it links to) which is far more credible.
That should shut them right up.
But as I say, Fighting Feminism is still a work in progress. Some categories have very few entries still. I add a dozen or so links every few days, usually just stuff I find linked to on blogs like this and The Spearhead. I’m also working my way back through some blogs, because there’s got to be a wealth of material covered in the online MRM world that is promptly forgotten about. It’s my job to dig it all up and archive it properly.
I’ve seen other guys post large stacks of links as well, ask around if it’s out there, I’m sure that someone has found it.
I think the key is to have topic pages. If there were 10 sites with “rule of thumb” rebuttals it’d be great to have a little rule of thumb rebuttal web ring where at the bottom of each page are links to the other rule of thumb rebuttal pages. It’d give people who are really interested in a topic a better way to learn about it and give those of us who don’t have massive amounts of knowledge in our heads about all this stuff super rebuttal powers.
When you get this done I will put a graphic banner here on the site pointing to your information. Email me to discuss further if you like.
Helps me keep my blades keen.
But yes, but I think it’s a good idea because it IS the same crap over and over , and over again.
I love the permanent link idea. A permanent link could be used in any comments section on any website. I just keep it handy and when any idiot anywhere spouts some long disproven factoid I can just respond with the link.
I think there should be a page for debunking common feminist myths, with links to research. This was discussed months ago and I think it would be far more effective as a learning tool, rather than a feminist hall of shame. Although I think that would be a good idea too, but for prominent feminist leaders.
The “Rule of Thumb” Has Nothing to do with “Wife Beating”
http://www.canlaw.com/rights/thumbrul.htm
I have a sister, and she cares about me, as do my female cousins, as does my mom.
The truth is, that women don’t actually *know* about the crap that men deal with. Women have been brainwashed into thinking that men are emotionless robots who can deal with anything and have no feelings, no emotions, and can produce money by just snapping their fingers.
I’m not justifying women falling for this crap, but I will propose the following. I genuinely believe that if women lived the life of an average guy for a month, almost all would become a lot more compassionate about men, and a lot more would support MRA causes.
I don’t think we should go out of our way to make them support us, as that’s a waste of time. I’m just saying some women have less brainwashing and can actually seen the light in just one attempt, and any woman should be given ONE chance. If she shows absolutely no chance of understanding, then ignore… But at least give that one first chance.
@Stacie Lancaster
Thanks for stopping by, it’s not likely that your visit will be pleasant, but you may learn something despite yourself. I speak for myself, there may be differing views, but this is what I have learned.
“Guys – Not all men are abusers, however, women have been beaten and abused since the beginning of time”
And not all women are child abusers, thank you for clarifying. In eras where things were bad for women, they were typically worse for the men.
ie. where a woman would be beaten, the man would be killed, and where a woman would be killed, a man would be tortured and killed.
And where there were not enough lifeboats, the women lived and the men died. Which were considered more “disposable” by society do you think?
“Until the past 100 years or less, there were laws on the books which specified how a man could (and should) hit is woman to keep her in line. (I’m curious is your group pro or against the legal right of men beating women.”
Its this that “rule of thumb” canard again?
In my opinion, no adult should have the right to physically assault another. It’s wrong and it’s illegal. “Self defence” should not be an open ended right to murder, you can’t come back 10 years later and kill someone that repeatedly beat you, be it man or woman.
“(I’m curious is your group pro or against the legal right of men beating women. Do you think a married women is required by law to have sex with her husband?)”
Neither spouse is required to have sex with another, but this is a breaking of the marriage contract, and should be grounds to render it null and void. Alimony is an abomination because it essentially terminates the responsibilities of the marriage contract for ONLY ONE SIDE, while maintaining them for the other.
“Anyway, apparently, you have a problem with the fact that women are standing up and saying no more and no way. Yep, some women do idiotic and very abusing things like purposefully accuse a man of rape –”
Women have more than enough right and wherewithal to stand up and say what they like. However between free and equal people there is a reciprocal right to call them to task if you think they are wrong. Many feel they have the right to never be called out on bullshit.
“Yep, some women do idiotic and very abusing things like purposefully accuse a man of rape – the percentage is the same percentage as other crimes false accued, around 3-4%. Which means, guys, that 96-97% of women who accuse men of sexual assault or abuse are telling the truth. So not to take away the pain of those wrongly accused…it’s as abusive as being sexually assaulted. However, focusing only on the 3-4% with noting the 96-97% of women who are accused and are telling the truth, is just as wrong. Learn the facts guys…and help to stop the abuse of women.”
Yes they do so, and the numbers are higher than most other crimes, (certainly higher than your “number”) mostly because the consequence for doing so are very minor, and due to the fact that in some jurisdictions they get PAID up front for making the accusation.
The so called “Rape Culture” is bullshit, men HATE other men that rape, even more so than women do. Because of that Men that are accused have their lives ruined, regardless of the merit of the accusation or anything else, if falsely (see the innocence project) convicted they frequently get raped and horribly abused otherwise in prison. (http://www.insideprison.com/prison-rape.asp)
We don’t hate women, but we hate the bullshit and abuse that young men and boys (ESPECIALLY young BLACK men) are subjected to because of all the lies and misinformation disseminated by the feminist (female supremacist) haters and treated as gospel by the main stream media.
So take your condescension and shove it. We know the facts better than you.
@Stacie
If we remove the 90% of your post that is factually incorrect, what is left is a single claim:
“Men’s rights advocates have some good points, but women have issues also, why can’t you speak up for women?”
So here is my answer. Feminists have billions of dollars in funding, the support of thousands of institutions, and the backing of every Western nation. Men’s rights have … just ourselves. There has never been a feminist that has uttered even one word on behalf of men’s rights issues. Why the hell should we do anything for them?
I would like to know what so called books you are talking about… do you mean the Quran????
Learn the facts… omg are you for real? And where do you come up with these statistics… some feminist website that has produced false information???
How about you start to read up on real injustice against men.. who are falsely accused of rape… ie: the weather girl and she is only one of many.
And why do you think men and women marry?? Is it so that they can lead seperate lives… or is it because they want to be together… have children … omg does that mean that they have to have sex??? Oh and what about the women who want and enjoy sex with their husband… or isnt that allowed either.
Stacie… I suggest you do some real research and READ UP on what the MRA is all about rather than dribbling on.
“Until the past 100 years or less, there were laws on the books which specified how a man could (and should) hit is woman to keep her in line”
There have never been any laws on the books in any western country that said anything except that beating a woman,spouse or not, is assault and punishable by imprisonment. That is a complete falsehood, manufactured by early feminists.
“Do you think a married women is required by law to have sex with her husband?”
She is required by the terms of the marriage contract to have sex with her husband, just as he is required to financially support her and any children they have together,under the same contract.
You probably knew that,but you bring this bullshit to us and set it on our table in order to try to assert that because we don’t believe everything with a penis is a rapist, that we must necessarily believe in wife-beating,rape, and a whole host of other crimes against women that we have NEVER,AT ANY POINT, expressed support for. The ham-handed,round-the-horn way you lay it out suggests to me that you ladies are running out of ways to state the same shaming language and feminist talking points you have been regurgitating for the last 50 years. One bit of good news in this blizzard of bullshit,perhaps.
“Anyway, apparently, you have a problem with the fact that women are standing up and saying no more and no way.”
Not at all,even though there’s very little for women to say “no more” to,other than free gender-based government handouts, which we WISH you would say “no way” to,seeing how you feminists always state that you’re against sexism.
Women have always been pampered in every society,relative to men. You think you have it bad, you should have been a poor man in 300 a.d.,you’re talking de facto slave. They’d put you in gladiator school and wank themselves off as you were devoured by lions or bears.
“Yep, some women do idiotic and very abusing things like purposefully accuse a man of rape – the percentage is the same percentage as other crimes false accued, around 3-4%.”
No it isn’t. Some feminist once said she THOUGHT it was around 2 or 3% in the 1970′s,but no study has ever proved that. In fact, one of the more recent ones, from India, puts it at around 12%, more than FIVE TIMES the false reporting rate for other crimes. Some studies have put it even higher, from 25% all the way up to 50%. You should really join the rest of us here in the 21st century,it’s lovely the amount of information we have access to, now that we have this new-fangled thing called the internet.
“Which means, guys, that 96-97% of women who accuse men of sexual assault or abuse are telling the truth.”
Nope,I’m afraid that’s not the case. The picture that is coming together,thanks to a little thing called science, seems to show that A LOT, A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of women falsely accuse men of rape for reasons as dire as “wanting to get out of a ticket” or “an excuse for why they were late for work”. It is actually more consistent with facts that 96% of women think nothing of ruining an innocent man’s life with a false rape accusation because she wanted attention. The number of women who do THAT is closer to your 96% figure than the women who are telling the truth about rape or sexual assault.
“However, focusing only on the 3-4% with noting the 96-97% of women who are accused and are telling the truth, is just as wrong. Learn the facts guys…and help to stop the abuse of women.”
Here’s a couple of facts for you regarding the abuse of men, I will help women as soon as you help:
The EIGHTY PERCENT of homeless who are male.
THE NINETY-FOUR PERCENT of victims who die on the job which are male.
THE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF WAR DRAFTEES IN AMERICA WHO ARE MALE.
THE EIGHTY PERCENT OF ALL VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIME WHICH ARE MALE.
THE THIRTY-FIVE PERCENT of sexual molestation victims who are male.
THE FIFTY PERCENT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE victims that are male.
Try a little taste of that abuse,hon. Or step up to the plate and practice what you are preaching. I’ll help to stop the minuscule amount of abuse that women in Western nation suffer as soon as you bring the life expectancy numbers of men up to a number closer to what women enjoy. You advocate for men and I will advocate for women. UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE DOES, WE WILL DO THAT AND LET THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WOMEN’S GROUPS RECEIVE ANNUALLY FROM MALE TAXPAYER MONEY WITHOUT OUR CONSENT BE OUR “SHOW OF SUPPORT” FOR YOUR ISSUES.
Current pledges for a Paul – approved PI to investigate Jasper:
AntZ $200
Carlos $200
Denis $200
Let’s bring this guy down.
Excellent. I will have a lead to a PI to submit for your approvals by tomorrow afternoon, Houston time.
I can’t speak for the other guys, but it looks to me like the deal is if you approve, we approve. No need to ask us:
AntZ ” … as long as it is coordinated by Paul …”
Carlos ” … I will match that on a PI … ”
Denis “… as long as there is some coordination with paul.”
It is already a tad more complicated than that. I am sending an email to the three of you in just a few.
My $200 is in about 3:30 this afternoon, make sure you got it.
Thanks.
It is in, and in reserve for the Jasper investigation fund. Many thanks, and good luck with your very important project. I hope to be reading about it here some day.
Paul
Yeah that is believable….
Keyster, great job. Please write to me — need your help, if you have time. I’ve got what might be the greatest idea for a false rape claim video ever — one that will infuriate the misandrists unlike anything they’ve ever seen. But I can’t do it myself. It’s simple idea and ought to be a short video.
falserape@yahoo.com
Thanks much.
Pierce Harlan
May I encourage this particular union – Pierce Harlan and Keyster? This would be a team whose combination of passion, skill, clarity of thought and veracity of message that would be blessed by God if ever such things were possible. Like it or not, the unthinking, unfeeling public needs to digest the feast of evidence of state-supported man-hate by the baby-food teaspoon, pureed so it goes down easy.
On a side note, not sure that it’s wise to dare a man with a gun to shoot you.
Just don’t let Keyster slip away from AVfM Radio. We need him!!
@Jimmy
“Josh is a sexual assault and domestic violence advocate”
http://riverviewcenter.poweredby365.com/Contact/JoshJasper.aspx
I have just visited this site, looked at the face of this smirking oaf, and read the details of his present position. He and the accompanying words perfectly define everything about our devastated culures.
The entire printed porfolio of this wretch translates as:-
“I need human division, mistrust and hatred to thrive. I need to sow its seeds to justify me, to keep me in pocket and to keep the roof over my head”.
Good luck everyone with the digging. As you suggested Paul – there is something, somewhere. Find it.
You can find a bit out about a person on this site if you’re careful to get the right one. You can find out basic stuff, where they’ve been, stuff like that. This situation reminds me a little bit of that all about counselling guy, he wasn’t at riverview but his name was river if I remember right.
http://www.pipl.com/search/?FirstName=josh&LastName=jasper&City=&State=IA&Country=US&CategoryID=2&Interface=1
I would really like to see the false rape video aired! You know, as a former Marine, I have noticed that unfortunately the Corps can easily act as an incubator for leagues of White Knights. The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is far more highly misandric than the civilian judicial system. It seems that a mere accusation from a female will land you in prison even more quickly if you are a serviceman. My friends who are former Marines are hopelessly embedded with programmed misandric chivalry and attack MRAs with shaming language. It is just a big problem everywhere you look.
I am a male who was falsely accused of sexual assault.
I see nothing wrong with either video (with the exception that nobody should be happy to be a misogynist or a misandrist). There is nothing wrong with teaching boys to grow up and not become rapists. There is nothing wrong with teaching girls to grow up and not lie about being raped.
So pardon me for being confused but what is the exact problem with the video?
@lj4adotcomdan
The relationships between men and women, between boys and girls, are dysfunctional these days. The problem just gets worse because the old gender role models have broken down. Rather than do the hard work of solving the underlying problems, these campaigns take the short cut of just blaming men.
Old gender role models like keeping women barefoot and pregnant? There are some old gender roles that deserve to die off.
But misplaced gender roles is no excuse to commit an act of sexual violence against anyone nor is it an excuse to lie about someone committing an act of sexual violence.
So if both videos encourage parents to raise their kids to not rape and to not lie about rape, I see no problem with either of them.
OK, I give. I don’t really have time for this, but I have to remember that many people coming here for this article are from the “general public” (I try to say that without being too condescending).
I am going to spend some time soon writing out precisely why you and some others are missing the point, and explaining the problem with this ad campaign in a language you understand.
Good idea, I think it’s easy to forget how far you/we are from the mainstream.
@lj4adotcomdan,
“Old gender role models like keeping women barefoot and pregnant? There are some old gender roles that deserve to die off.”
Women (and men) should have the choice to be stay at home parents. However a stay at home father, is very, very, rarely an acceptable situation to the so-called liberated women.
“I am a male who was falsely accused of sexual assault. ”
Do you feel you deserved that accusation because of your sex? If so you have been hurt by the cultural zeitgeist and you probably need some help to shed your undeserved guilt.
“So if both videos encourage parents to raise their kids to not rape and to not lie about rape, I see no problem with either of them.”
Yeah, I guess you don’t see anything wrong with with Rosa Parks being forced to sit at the back of the bus, either? It was for her own good you suppose?
The end does not justify the means. Boys are not innately predisposed to rape, boys are not taught to rape (except by abusive parents who are most frequently mothers). Only boys and men that are mentally ill, and/or victims of abuse will go on to rape. The “rape culture” only exists in the minds of these mentally ill men, and feminists.
Masculine culture and sane men generally, especially those with daughters, sisters, and mothers, HATE rapists. They do not in any way shape or form support violent rape.
I really don’t know what they teach in school these days, as we seem to be getting a steady stream of people that don’t understand why sexism is bad.
I have known men and women who are ok with their partner being the stay at home parent. Nobody was looked down upon.
Nobody deserves a false accusation of any sort. Where did I claim otherwise?
Rosa Parks was a hero. The video is not saying that boys are predisposed to rape. The video is saying that SOME boys are raised to think that force and power are acceptable means to get their way. This is why some bully and why others rape. (Likely, there is an intersection between those who bully and those who rape).
Where did I ever use the term “rape culture”?
Sexism is obviously bad. Reverse sexism is also bad. This video is not an example of sexism.
“Rosa Parks was a hero. The video is not saying that boys are predisposed to rape. The video is saying that SOME boys are raised to think that force and power are acceptable means to get their way.”
Right, just boys? Is that what we are to assume?
What about all the adult women teachers raping students? They certainly didn’t start as baby boys.
Stereotyping boys as rapists or potential rapists continues to be WRONG. It’s not clever or edgy, it’s WRONG. You are inviting violent or social retribution against the singled out group by those who are morality-impaired.
The video implies that only one sex is capable of rape, which being not true, is sexism against that sex.
Did you look at Keyster’s retort video stereotyping the little girl? Now, that was sexist, right?
Many of us are parents (of boys and girls) and we’ll do what is necessary to prevent the likes of Josh Jasper poisoning the futures of our young men. What of sort of future will it be (for everybody) if the male half of the next generation refuses to participate, because of everything stacked against them.
“What about all the adult women teachers raping students? They certainly didn’t start as baby boys.”
Obviously not. And there is a huge double standard when it comes to teachers having sex with students. Does a video need to include all rapists in order for it to not be considered sexist in your book?
When arguing in support of educating people about the real harm that false accusations of rape can do to a man, I have gotten kickback from those who ask me “well, why are you not talking about these other things” and then they list other things that they feel I should also be talking about and because I have not it, in some way, makes me a misogynist.
You are doing the exact same thing. You are saying that because this video doesn’t explicitly say that there are female rapists that it implies that only men rape. That is a logical fallacy.
I did see the response video. I see nothing wrong with that video (and I have said so previously). Perhaps you just neglected to read that I have no problems with either video.
“have gotten kickback from those who ask me “well, why are you not talking about these other things” and then they list other things that they feel I should also be talking about and because I have not it, in some way, makes me a misogynist.
You are doing the exact same thing. You are saying that because this video doesn’t explicitly say that there are female rapists that it implies that only men rape. That is a logical fallacy. ”
The video itself is a logical fallacy, it is saying that because some rapists are male, and because males are “tough”,being “tough” makes one a rapist.
Logical fallacy.
It’s exactly the same as saying “Trees are good for the environment, beavers eat trees, therefore beavers are bad for the environment!”.
But let’s consider another aspect of the video that’s fallacious.
The video says that because males are taught to be tough or strong,they will rape. One can assume that since they didn’t mention women, or show a baby girl, that they assume that women are taught otherwise. In fact,most feminists wouldn’t argue that women are socialized differently than men from a young age.
So if being TAUGHT to be strong or “aggressive” makes one a rapist, then how do we explain female rapists? Were they ALSO taught to be “strong”,”aggressive”?
The feminists can’t explain that part with the “socialization” model. It doesn’t make any sense in that context, which is why they pretend male victims of female rapists don’t exist.
The “socialization” theory is bullshit. What people are taught doesn’t contribute to rape, being a sick person is what makes you a rapist. All this video does is slander men and malign well-known qualities of masculinity as some form of sickness that “causes rape”.
That is why people are angry about this video. It doesn’t help to stop rape because being “tough” doesn’t make you a rapist,even if you buy the idea that “social engineering” causes crime.
That is,unless you were to state that men and women are socialized in exactly the same manner, which the people who put out videos like this don’t.
In fact,it is a central plank of their argument that such is NOT the case.
Ergo,this video is a baseless smear on men and young boys.
I’ve been staying out of this conversation but the comment “only boys and men that are mentally ill and/or victims of abuse will go to rape” is remarkably ignorant, not to mention appallingly cruel toward victims of abuse.
MRA’s (if I may group you based on the comments I’ve seen) are right about one thing: There is not a potential rapist lurking inside of every male infant. And small boys/adolescents/young men don’t have to be “taught” not to rape. This was the thinking for a few years around the time that non-stranger sexual assault began to be looked at in earnest. It turned out to be incorrect based on the research of psychologists like David Lisak and others after him. Instead, research reveals there is a relatively small number of men who rape and they do it over and over again. So I sympathize with MRA’s to the extent that they feel all men are being painted with the same brush. But my sympathy ends there as I believe their assertions about how many women lie about rape, etc are overblown and misleading.
Finally, please- for the sake of the many, many victims of child sex abuse out there (perpetrated mostly by men but by some women as well) do not suggest that people who are victimized are more likely to become abusers themselves. This “vampire theory” is not only utterly baseless, it has the effect of further victimizing abuse survivors of both sexes. In fact, abuse survivors almost always grow up to be more protective and aware of the potential for abuse, even if the pathology associated with the abuse leads them to make bad decisions in other areas of their lives.
Interestingly, the opposite is also not necessarily true; most assume that just about all sex offenders (of children or other adults) were themselves abused- this is probably where the perverse filpside of the argument comes from. But that belief is based almost solely on the self-reporting of the offenders themselves. I prosecuted (criminally and them civilly) sex offenders for years. They will- of course- claim to be victims of childhood abuse when they are facing sentencing. That’s because they know their sentences will be lighter. Threaten them with polygraphs and that self-reporting goes way down.
To be fair, I’d direct this criticism to Stacie Lancaster, who suggested that abused boys needed to be “healed of their pain” or some such before they begin abusing as adults. Same vampire theory garbage. Drop it- it’s shameful.
Feel free to check out my website, but my guess is the vast majority of you will despise me just short of Mr. Jasper.
Respectfully, Roger A Canaff
Hello Roger,
I’m probably the only one who will read your post (and I’m on this thread by accident). Comment threads here have a very short life span.
I would have been interested to hear your opinion of the video which started the ruckus. Maybe you can do an article on your website about it.
Thanks, Type 5. If you’re interested, I am preparing an article on this topic right now. Should be out by Monday a.m.
Roger,
I think we must’ve read the same book. It’s called “Rape, pedophiles, and other sex offenders” or something like that. Not the most uplifting thing to read, hehehe. I read about that study too, how polygraphs have helped to expose those claiming they were abused to get off the hook. Sort of a scary thought. What does cause it? It’s true, victims of sexual abuse are more likely to be protective of their children, and not become abusers. Now with violence, it’s a different story, the cycle of abuse and all.
@lj4adotcomdan
Would you see a problem with a commercial that urged parents to teach their boys to refrain from eating their own kidneys and girls to avoid killing orangutans to make clothing from their hides? I bet if they showed such nonsensical warnings every day on television it would send America on a witch hunt to stamp out male kidney self-cannibalism and female illegal orangutan hunters. I would even go so far as to say that within, say, 40 years or so of such lunacy (the time in service of second wave feminsim), we would have billion-dollar government programs to stamp out such widespread crimes. I bet we would even have shelters for men who had eaten their own kidneys and prisons for females who wore orangutan dresses. Are you beginning to see how propaganda works? Only its many orders of magnitude more evil and destructive than my wild analogy.
If eating ones own kidneys was a problem and parental involvement from an early age would stop such behavior then sure, I would have no problem with such a commercial. As far as I know, that problem does not exist. However, rape is a problem that does exist.
There are men in this world who believe that there is no need to obtain consent when having sex. Such people need to be stopped. If early efforts in parenting can help stop rapes, then I am all for it.
There are women in this world who believe that there is nothing wrong with making a false accusation of rape. Such people need to be stopped. If early efforts in parenting can help stop false accusations of rape, then I am all for it.
I reject your analysis on all levels. What if the commercial would have shown an African American baby? Could you imagine the public outcry? What if a commercial was aired urging all parents to teach their daughters not to murder their 6-month-old baby boys by repeatedly running over them with cars? How about a commercial warning parents of German children to refrain from slaughtering Jews? In your distorted circular reasoning, as long as it cut down on the outrageous crimes, then such commercials should be deemed appropriate, right?
SO many logical fallacies…so little time, young Ben.
Hi Jack,
as in what you’re trying to do to this thread.
what if what if what if
Again, i see no sexism in this video. I find the idea that this video is misandric is absurd. I have seen no good reasoning so far as to why I should change my mind.
Then perhaps there should be a video with a girl baby instructing parents to make sure she’s not raised in a way that will predispose her to make false rape accusations.
Isn’t that the idea behind the 2nd video that was posted? Havn’t I said I have no problem with that video as well?
It is the responsibility of parents to raise their kids to be good productive members of society. Videos that suggest one thing that a parent can do should never be taken as rejecting all other things. However, the response to the initial video seems to cause the readers here to believe that by only discussing one type of rapist that all other types of rapists are ignored (or even denied). That is not the case.
Can I ask why comments like this one- completely rational and reasonable whether you agree or not- get hidden because they are not well received? This kind of self-censorship against people who disagree with you surely won’t serve you all well.
I’ll hazard a guess that most people aren’t down voting the comment because they want it removed/hidden, they’re downvoting it because they disagree with it.
There is an irony of Roger’s defense of me here. (The first time he had ever responded to me on the internet). See, Roger wrote me a nasty letter via the US Postal Service a while back (before this post). We, over the course of our lives, have known a particular woman. I knew her when she was younger, he knows her now.
This woman falsely accused me of sexual assault when I was in high school. Her current occupation is kind of a rape counselor and advocate for victims. Kind of ironic, don’t you think?
When the irony of her career choice was pointed out to her, he wrote me a nasty letter, making threats of legal action against me. As someone who is familiar with the law for a layperson (who also has several close friends who are lawyers) I knew he had no basis to make such threats as I had done nothing wrong.
When the irony of his responding to me was made aware to him… that he had defended (without knowing it) the very same person who he wrote a nasty bully lawyer letter to, he removed all of my posts from his blog.
It is my opinion now that Roger Canaff is a defender of false rape accusers. Not sure how someone who defends false rape accusers can be taken seriously as an advocate for actual rape victims.
I am also not sure how someone who made a false rape accusations could be taken seriously as an advocate for rape victims either. But that should be for her employer to determine.
lj4adotcomdan
Thanks for injecting some reason into this thread, although it’ll probably all be hidden due to low rating. Same handful of guys and all. I’m sorry you were falsely accused.
Thank you Sasha.
I agree.
The problem my friend is that the boy video is perfectly acceptable for mainstream digestion if not celebrated as righteous and pure. You could offer to pay DOUBLE the air time rates to all the major networks in the USA and never ever would they dare show the girl video. That’s exactly the point of the girl video vs. their boy video…to put the cultural double standard on exhibition.
And make people think.
Keyster: I am glad you agree.
And I have no problem with calling a person who supports the first video and opposes the second video as misandric.
But to label the first video as, in and of itself, misandric is not only confusing to me but it doesn’t serve to help promote the lessons that need to be taught in the second. And it could very well hurt the cause trying to be promoted in the second.
The problem with the first video is that it invalidates male victims of child rape (1/3 of total) and teaches them that they are to blame. Fewer male victims will come forward if they feel that it’s all their fault, because they’re a man.
Do you think that the video would ever change the opinion of a child rapist? It doesn’t help girls by blaming baby boys, it just blames the victim.
The second video isn’t appropriate either, but it’s a parody.
Are you man that defines raping women as part of your manhood?
Because I’m not and I don’t know anyone who does.
Rapists are criminals that happen to be men much of the time, but we don’t need to “redefine” what it means to be a man to stop girls from being raped. Rapists already violate every social norm and code of masculinity that I’ve ever seen.
All these types of campaigns paint the picture of men and masculinity as toxic.
The message I see in that video is that if we don’t change who men are today this child will, inevitably, become a rapist… just like the rest of us men.
I don’t know where you grew up, but I’ve never raised a hand against a woman in my life — not even in self defense and everyone I know of who talks about what it means to be man has always included treating women with respect.
Indeed most of my life I would have been willing to defend just about any random woman with my life if she were in danger (but no longer.)
So where does the idea come from that we, as men, define our masculinity and establish our manhood by raping and abusing women?
Misandry like this is everywhere but this video is particularly repugnant since it uses a newborn baby boy as a symbol for a future rapist if we don’t reprogram him.
Of course I do not define raping women as part of my manhood. However, there are males who consider themselves to be more of a man because of an increased number of sexual partners. Men who see no problem with increasing those numbers at any cost (including forcing himself on her).
I would hope that everyone here would agree that such men should be stopped. Yes?
Our culture as a whole does not accept raping women as being essential to being a man. But there are people within our culture who see no problem with a man “taking what is ‘his’”.
I do not see the same message in the video that you do. I do not see this video saying that all boys must be “reprogrammed”. What it is saying is that some parents DO program their child with the attitude that they should be forceful and tough and take what is theirs at all costs. And that we, as a society, should stop THAT kind of behavior.
Your not realizing what we are talking about.
Think about this:
You want to have sex with this woman and you “lured” her back into your apartment.
You then while maintaining a hard on, drag her to the ground, take her jeans off then her underwear and you rape her.
———————-
I don’t know anyone in my social circle who would find that erotic.
Rape in the past 30 years has been redefined. Alot of times a woman will “feel” she has been sexually assaulted. Because the woman’s center started a program that if your drunk you can’t consent.
Or it was a one night stand and he left in the night and never spoke to her again. The feelings of “he used me” turn into “he took advantage of me” so therefore “he raped me.”
Nevermind the fact that you took all the drinks he gave you, made out, he was drinking just as much and you accepted the taxi ride back as well as entered your home or his with him with you.
blablabla, I hope you get it.
It just doesn’t happen, in the UCR(uniform crime reports) the FBI collects every year. Rape is the only crime where by accusation is counted in the UCR. Even then its only .3ish% of all men in the US.
So that .3% is people accused unlike assault, murder, DUI where it is those convicted.
I do not know anyone in my social circle who would find that erotic either. However, there are other social circles.
Drunk people cannot consent to anything. A contract cannot be signed if someone is drunk. Are you suggesting that someone who is not able to legally consent to the terms of a contract is someone who can consent to sexual activity?
Regret is never rape, you are correct on that. But rape should not only be thought of as something that is done with additional violence. When someone says no, it is rape. When someone is incapable of saying no, it is rape. When someone is incapable of saying yes, it is rape.
A woman has every right to drink all the drinks that a man buys her. No amount of drink purchases entitles a man to sex.
No amount of making out entitles a man to sex.
Walking through a door does not entitle a man to sex.
And I agree with you 100%, accusations should not be counted as rapes. The same burden of proof required to convict someone of other crimes should be required to convict someone of rape. There is MUCH work that needs to be done in how the accused are treated in this country when it comes to rape. Too often the accused are not afforded the presumption of innocence that we give to any other accused.
That doesn’t make this video misandrist.
It’s misandrist because the video tells you that men and only men are the problem.
Even Josh Jasper himself advocates that on his own bio on his own homepage.
When we talk about rape what are we really talking about?
I always ask myself that question when I watch any anti rape PSA “what are we talking about?” In this video just because the child is male he is automatically a potential rapist.
This creates hysteria about a whole range of things.
What about my gf handing my child to a male worker at a daycare center.
What if with all this media, men even infants are considered potential rapists?
What would my future partner think then? You already have millions upon millions of men(in the western world) who won’t come to a child’s aide because they think they might be perceived as child molesters.
In UK a man drove by a toddler at the side of the road. Later on(not charging just looking at what happened) the man said he didn’t help the child for fear of being looked at as a child molester.
Many male parents have shyed away from playing with other peoples kids on the playgroud for fear of being considered a child molester. Alot of them testify that they stopped because other parents gave them odd looks like setting up a game of tag was something sinister.
That is what these commercials promote.
You have to understand that commercials like these hurt all men. I am not a rapist I can say that even as a child the thought of it disgusted me. If you had even explained it to me as a child.
And what happens if they agree to have sex prior to drinking and then they become drunk – what then?
No it is only in todays world that women call rape when they are the ones who regret it in the morning.. nothing more.
Yes both men and women do get raped… but too many claims have been proven false that those are the statistics we also need to read and hear about. – no matter what their occupation.
People assume men don’t regret fucking some dumb bitch cause they were drunk.
If it’s rape for the woman to be drunk it’s rape for the man to be drunk.
The only real difference is the male “rapist” will go to prison while the female “rapist” gets the option to collect child support.
If a woman gets a man drunk in order to have sex with him without prior consent, that woman should absolutely be considered a rapist.
There is a disgusting case that I have blogged about previously where a woman rode a drunk man in order to get pregnant. She then was awarded a child support payment from the father who never consented to the sex in the first place. That man had a severe injustice done to him as he was forced, by the state, to pay money even though he never consented to the sex.
A child support system that would do that to anybody is a child support system that must be reformed.
However, the fact that such disparities exist within the child support system and within the rape enforcement system does not make this particular video misandrist.
Of course, if you are seeking to attract women to your side in order to convince them that society does have some flaws in how it treats men and that perhaps in some areas the pendulum has swung to far… referring to women as “dumb bitches” is probably not constructive.
It make it seem that your real goal is not to change the way that our society does things but rather to lash out at all women because our society has taken some things too far.
If both agree to “get drunk and screw” as Jimmy Buffet puts it, then there would be consent and as such no rape would occur.
If both are drunk without either of them having the ability to consent, then no crime should be considered to have occurred because under the law there would be no malicious will.
“It’s misandrist because the video tells you that men and only men are the problem.”
No, it doesn’t state that only men are the problem. It just deals with a singular problem of men raping women. You are claiming that because a video only refers to one rape scenario that it is denying all other rape scenarios. That is just plainly illogical. ONLY if it said “the only rapists are men” would it be misandrist.
That you would be disgusted at rape as a child means you likely had good parents who instilled good values in you as it pertains to the treatment of other humans. You must admit that other people likely have parents who were not as good as yours.
“No, it doesn’t state that only men are the problem.”
It is certainly suggesting that sexual violence is a particularly male phenomenon.
Quote:
“What are you teaching your son?
Redefine what to means to be a man
…because ending sexual violence begins with him.”
If “he” has the power to end sexual violence, then this is only viewing males as perpetrators. No consideration is given that a boy/man can be a victim of sexual violence in any way.
“Tough”, “Strong”, “Agressive”, “Powerful” – ie, manly
“Raped his girlfriend” – This must also be a manly thing to do, right?
Yes… this buisness of being a man certainly needs redefining… feminise your sons today!
It is not suggesting that that sexual violence is a particularly male phenomenon. It is a video targeting the parents of male children but it in no way suggests that males are the only rapists.
And you are repeating the same “logic” that says that because the video doesn’t mention “fact x” that it denies “fact x”. Why should a video dealing with the issue of a man who would rape his girlfriend bring up pedophiles who rape children? The assertion that it should is absurd.
The video is targeting on subset of rapists. Males who rape their girlfriends. It is not logical to suggest that the targeting of one group in and of itself implies the denial that any other group rapes.
The problem with your explanation of consent is that you are implying that consent only goes one way. Drunk people having sex isn’t rape. If she got drunk and had sex with a drunk guy, he has the same claim to rape as her using your reasoning. The alcohol made both of them incapable of making good decisions so he went along with the sex. She raped him. It’s obvious nonsense when you think about it from both angles. Why should he be responsible for his actions and not her?
Sex is not a contract. It’s long over when you sober up and realize what you did. That is a bad analogy.
No, I said if both are drunk then neither should have a claim to rape. In order to have a crime you have to have malicious intent.
Never said sex is a contract. But the ability to give legal consent is what the analogy was for. Sorry you missed that point.
I don’t believe that this video would ever change the opinion of abusive parents and blaming baby boys doesn’t help any victims, especial boys.
There’s a not so fine line between having lots of sexual partners and being a rapist.
Looking at your comment I see:
“there are males… who see no problem with increasing those numbers at any cost (including forcing himself on her)”
“there are people..within our culture who see no problem with a man “taking what is ‘his’”
How do you go from basically saying that there are some individuals, who happen to be male, who do some bad thing to being ok with saying “we need to redefine what it means to be a man or this baby will end up being a rapist.” It’s pure misandry.
Lots of mothers kill their children (ie infanticide.) Would you be ok if I said we need to redefine what it means to be a woman so they stop killing their children?
Here’s a video that will spell it out for you:
“I would hope that everyone here would agree that such men should be stopped. Yes?”
of course retard. There are already laws against rape.
” we, as a society, should stop THAT kind of behavior”
we, as a society, are not engaged in that behavior. Your argument is bs. You can’t just assign society characteristics to disagree with.
Name calling, always a good way to win an argument.
It is so interesting to me how some people naturally focus on colorful language and don’t even acknowledge what was being said. Other people ignore the color or reply with some of their own. They may or may not include an argument of some sort. It’s a style vs. substance thing. I like to think that I focus on the substance of an argument or topic and recognize the style as secondary. In comments sections like this there are different styles and they frequently include some insults. These days I like to throw one in just to see what kind of person I’m dealing with. If they decide to just whine about the insult and not say anything else I’ve confirmed my suspicion. They’re a retard.
Since nothing of what you said in that post had any sort of substance, i had nothing to focus on the name calling.
You are pathetic! Get a life and a REAL cause!
REAL cause?
Would that make us REAL men?
What should we focus on?
The “gender pay gap,” “discrimination against women in family court,” or “discriminating against girls in schools,” “beating our wives and trafficking women and children during the Super Bowl”?
So many REAL causes so little time…
Haha, this feminist’s empty, repetitive shaming language is even more comical than Mangina Jack’s post below.
The feminists have played their shaming language hand one too many times. The intended effect is totally lost.
Bad strategic move, feminists. But I guess that’s what happens when you are governed by hate-filled emotions rather than logic.
Translation: She works for Riverview and depends on the $$$$
So, I did a search for men’s groups, and found this site. At first, I was very excited. I have been leading expeditions, for real men, into places that I am pretty sure none of you would be able to handle…and no, I am not talking about your emotions. What I have found is a lot of self-congratulatory, self-referential, scared-cat, reactionary BS. This site seems comprised of the kinds of guys that would talk a big game, but never actually join the football team. I resisted posting, and then thought, “What the hell, it will give them something else to bitch about.”
I am no feminist, but I saw nothing anti-man, or, as your stream of inanity called it “anti-male”. What I do see is a bunch of guys who would rather hide behind some vague justification for their poor treatment of women, or a longing for the “good-old days when women knew their place”. Men do not hit women. Men are not born with the urge to hit women. Men are taught, by someone, that it is OK to hit woman. I think wimps are the ones doing the hitting and teaching the hitting. I have never met a real man, who espouses anything that any of you espouse…and I have met real men. I see none here.
Have a great one, boys. I may check in to watch who goes after this post. Should be fun to watch a bunch of you little boys, scrambling to look the toughest. SO, puff out those chests, give a snarl and a roar, and have it. I can’t wait. Hahahahaha!
You don’t know,
Jack
Translation: “I’m a real hiking, bear fightin’, mountain climbin’ manly man, with hair in all the right places, but I’m not too bright. I am, however, smart enough not to hang out here and debate any of you. It’s a place I just can’t handle. Emotionally, I mean. So I will fly in, flap around, squawk a lot, shit all over everything and fly out before I have to back up my own words.”
SEAGULL
if backing up words was required, for this site…there would be no posts. God bless you.
Tell me when I can stop laughing at you Jack … and everyone is laughing at you.. not with you.
What a total moran and wanker you are.
You reckon you could outlast men on here… well mate you have not met my husband and he would run rings around you… in every single department.
Get off your high horse and see the real world. You are such a mangina and it is people like you that are so weak that you have no idea what you are on about.
And this little gem ** Men are not born with the urge to hit women. Men are taught, by someone, that it is OK to hit woman. I think wimps are the ones doing the hitting and teaching the hitting. **
Well tell me how many men that you know ‘hit women’ and then tell me how many women nag & whinge every single day… how many of them use emotional blackmail (the fake croc tears to try and get their own way).. how many women throw things at a man and actually hit men.. but because men are bigger and stronger it seems ok for women to do that… TOTAL B/SHIT.
I guess you like all of your rights as a male being totally eroded away by feminists…
You are one vacuous drone. Go back to your male porn sites you originally did a search for when you typed “men’s group sex” and stumbled upon this site. You mention that “it should be fun to watch a bunch of [you] little boys..”. So, do you usually have fun watching little boys? Are you beginning to see that doens’t take an expert on NLP to decode your ranting, Jack? I’ll bet you would wake up if it were women rather than men setting themselves on fire outside family court.
Wow, Ben…did someone help you with the word ‘vacuous’? And if you really understood NLP, you would know that you did exactly what I told you to do. Thanks for dancing, pinochio! You really are a real man. It will be fun to see what other absurdities, you pick from that immense cavern, that sits atop your head. God bless you.
We agree on one thing “Men are not born with the urge to hit women.”
“Men are taught, by someone, that it is OK to hit woman.” Only women teach this.
You should learn to hit one thing,
Hit the track Jack
Your mom sang a very different tune…
…had to put an end to it when she started talking about role-playing her rape fantasies though.. Not my cup of tea..
The problem with the video is that it implies that rape is a normal part of masculinity and the baby is likely gonna grow up to be a rapist if we don’t change what it means to be a man. He’s gonna be tough, strong, aggressive, powerful, and a rapist. Rapists are a tiny percentage of men and they are universally condemned by other men. Since the video implies that rape is accepted by normal men as a masculine trait like the other traits mentioned, it’s insulting to men as a group because it implies that, generally speaking, we have this terrible pro-rape attitude. Many of us are tired to death of these lies. I believe that when men are lied about we should complain. We should be mad when some douche like jasper puts something like this out. The problem is with guys like you who go along with it.
Your first paragraph is mostly an Oprah-like diagnosis of us with no attempt at support. You won’t get a lot of respect for that sort of thing. I don’t mind insults, especially if they’re funny. Yours aren’t, though, try harder next time. What is fun is this quote. “I have been leading expeditions, for real men, into places that I am pretty sure none of you would be able to handle” followed almost immediately by you calling us “self-congratulatory.” See how you congratulated yourself on your superiority and then immediately called us “self-congratulatory”? You=stupid.
The second paragraph starts with more insults I don’t care about since they aren’t any funnier than the last ones. You should look up “straw man” on wikipedia. You finally say something. “Men are not born with the urge to hit women.” The urge to hit someone usually comes from conflict of some sort, obviously. Nobody is born with the urge to hit anyone as far as I know. Clearly, you are the one who is preoccupied with hitting women. Nobody here is saying it’s ok to hit women or is even talking about it. My personal belief is you shouldn’t hit anybody who isn’t really asking for it. Beyond that, it’s almost never practical to hit anyone because you get in a lot of trouble. “Men are taught, by someone, that it is OK to hit woman.” Maybe some tiny percentage of them are, but I’ve never seen it. It certainly isn’t common.
More insults blah blah blah
In summary, your writing is terrible, your critical thinking skills are non-existent, you don’t offer any facts, and you aren’t funny. Why on earth would we want you hanging around here?
Brilliant! And again, thank you for getting riled up. It is what I wanted you to do. Wasn’t too hard, though. You are already stirred up, after having drunk the cool-aid, eh? God bless you!
“The problem with the video is that it implies that rape is a normal part of masculinity”
It does nothing of the sort. I have watched it several times now. I am trying to see it, but it is not there.
It is only speaking about kids who are raised to be tough, strong, aggressive, powerful and to not know that rape is wrong.
The video does not imply that rape is accepted by normal men. But it is saying that some children are raised in such a way that they have no problems raping people. And perhaps parents should consider how they are raising their children so they make sure that they do not raise a rapist in the future.
My parents made it very clear to me that rape was wrong and that a woman has the right to have autonomy over her body. I have seen other men who did not have that life lesson shown to them at any age. I grew up knowing that rape is wrong, that no means no, and that my sexual partners should all be willing participants. Other men grow up and they feel that they can just take what they want because they deserve it. It is THOSE men who this video is targeting and not all men.
Let me give you an example of a statement that I found to be overtly sexist. There was a woman who said that “all men are potential rapists”. This woman was an idiot and a sexist. Had this video said this, then I would be in 100% agreement with you. But that is not the message being stated in this video and to stamp your feet and claim otherwise does nobody any good.
Yea, well everyone else says that it’s an evil ad
and they seem pretty sure about themself
so I think I’ll stick with them
Well funny but I have brought up my sons to be: tough, strong, aggressive, powerful – BUT it does not mean that they have been brought up to be a rapist or to disrespect women… but to have manners, and good morals.
I have also brought up my daughters to be exactly the same.
I have tought them right from wrong… but this video is showing that if a male is strong willed, aggressive – and that can be for anything from being on the sports field to going hell for leather at a job, to be tough… I would rather a tough guy than a total wimp any day.. and the same for powerful.
My husband is all 4 of these things… and I will tell you something lj4adotcomdan – He is NOT A RAPIST.. and never will be. He has never had to force anyone to have sex with him… if anything it is women who have chased and pursuded him for it…. so eat your own words.
(sorry Stu but I had to set this stupid women straight xx)
Nobody is saying that all men are rapists, or that all strong men are rapists or that all powerful men are rapists.
It is wonderful that you teach your children to be strong people with a respect for others and their autonomy.
This video obviously does not refer to how you raise your kids so there is no reason why you or anyone else in your family should be offended by it.
And since you presented a strawman as to what my argument is, I would not be eating my own words.
Not quite. The prime message of the video is that all men are potential rapists. You do see that don’t you? If a viewer does not accept that, then the video does not make sense.
The second message is that it is the value system a boy is taught by his parents that makes him a rapist. I find this highly questionable. It’s one hell of a bold assertion. I don’t know what “makes” a rapist, but I’ll wager it has a hell of a lot more to do with his individual personality and neuroses than a socially aquired value system.
The third message is that acceptance of virtues commonly recognized as masculine (strength, toughness, aggressiveness, power) rationally lead to rape without some kind of intervention – in this case, some unspecified redifinition of masculinity.
Do you see these messages in this video, too? If so, I can probably explain to you what I find objectionable about it.
No, I don’t see what doesn’t exist. I have seen arguments made by women who have said that all men are “potential rapists”. That is an absurd statement for anybody to make.
It is not absurd to suggest that parents should consider the kind of child they are raising. That is what this video does.
The message in the video is that a parents can help to teach him NOT to be a rapist. Nothing wrong with suggesting that a parents upgringing can have a positive impact on the values a child might have and that parents can help make sure that their kids do not grow up to become rapists.
I am sure when my mother raised me and made sure I knew that “no means no” that she didn’t think I was a horrible person who was likely to rape unless I heard otherwise. She just wanted me to be educated about such things.
And the video does not say, or suggest, that strength, toughness, aggressiveness or power RATIONALLY lead to rape without intervention. But it is possible that some people with those traits could believe that they should use those traits for ill purposes and that parents can help mold their strong young men into men who respect women. Some parents do not teach their boys to respect women. These are likely parents with men who view their own wives as subservient.
Then we won’t have a meeting of the minds, I guess.
I will mention that while the video does not explicitly state the messages I’ve asserted, it also doesn’t explicitly state any of the the points you’ve mentioned in this reply. You’re assuming what they meant.
You talk about teaching young men that “no means no” and molding strong young men into men who respect women. Those items are not mentioned or recommended in the video.
What the video recommends is to “Redefine what it means to be a man.” Funny way to put, “Teach your son that rape is wrong” don’t you think?
If you ever start to wonder why they chose to make their recommendation with those words (and not the ones you or I would use), maybe we’ll have something to talk about.
I am fairly certain I know why they chose their words and it is because there are parents who still subscribe to archaic views of gender roles that force women as subservient beings, placed on this earth to do the will of men. Those people SHOULD change what they define to be a “man” because those sorts of attitudes are what leads men to believe that if women are subservient than they need to do whatever it is the man wants.
Friend, please do me a favor and stop pretending to be a 5 yr old with no grasp of the concept of inference. Stop pretending that by virtue of the video in question not literally, explicitly w/ 10ft neon signage saying that ” all men are rapists” that no misandric implications exist. Help me out here. If the video isn’t suggesting a causal link between the recognized masculine qualities of toughness, strength etc., then why would there be any need to “redefine what it means to be a man”. Seems to me that only makes sense if one believes that acceptance of rape/abuse of females was part of the definition to begin with.
Many people have different definitions of what it means to be a man.
The people who believe that men are superior to women and that the job of a woman is to be subservient to a man would be an example of who the target audience of this video is.
“The message in the video is that a parents can help to teach him NOT to be a rapist.”
Who needs to be taught that rape is wrong? Did someone need to teach you that killing is wrong? If not for that message would you have unthinkingly killed people right and left?
NO.
You KNEW that killing is wrong, naturally,presumably. No one needs to be taught that rape is wrong, a healthy person knows it instinctively. Their conscience tells them it is wrong.
Are you suggesting here that men have no conscience?
Apparently people who rape are people who need to be taught that rape is wrong.
If nobody needed that lesson then nobody would be raped.
My mother did not assume that I would just instinctively know that rape was wrong. She made sure that I knew it as part of my upbringing. Are you suggesting that she is anti-male because she thought it was something that I needed to know?
There are men who have a conscience and there are men who do not. I am sure that men with a conscience know that rape is wrong and the reason they know that is, in part, based on how they are raised.
I am sure that there are some men without a conscience who were raised right where the parents could have done nothing better to raise their child who wind up raping people.
I am also sure that there are some men without a conscience who had parents that could have raised their child better but did not (for whatever reason). It is the last group of people I feel this video is targeting.
“I am fairly certain I know why they chose their words and it is because there are parents who still subscribe to archaic views of gender roles that force women as subservient beings, placed on this earth to do the will of men.”
Who? Which parents believe their daughter is the natural slave of their son? Please, show me the parent that believes this.
I am sure there are some “traditionalist” parents out there with some sort of “old school” beliefs who teach their children that it is the job of women to obey them and to be subservient to them .
I am sure there are other parents who do not directly teach such lessons to their children but who, instead, teach their children the wrong lessons via their actions.
Here is what the video said, word for word:
“he’s tough, he’s strong, he’s aggressive, he’s powerful, and he raped his girlfriend… but he wasn’t always this way. What are you teaching your son? Redefine what it means to be a man, because ending sexual violence violence begins with him.”
Nobody anywhere can related to this. No parent is teaching his son rape is ok. That parent is a straw man. If there is a parent that is teaching his son this, that parent is far too disgusting of a person to respond to this cheesy commercial. Your explanation is simply not plausible. This is garden variety man bashing and you and jasper can bit my shiny metal ass.
You quoted the video word for word and then used a strawman against the video.
I did my best to be fair to the video by making sure I didn’t misrepresent it. I listened and typed it so there won’t be any ambiguity. I typed “violence” twice on accident but that is an obvious error and not an attempt to manipulate. I intend to be fair.
I don’t think there are any parents who teach their sons that rape is ok. I’m calling you and jasper liars. Where is your evidence?
I never said that parents teach their sons that rape is ok.
I am saying that there are parents who either do not bother to raise their children and there are parents who raise their kids with the wrong lessons that could lead to rape (like parents who teach their kids to get what they want at all costs, damn anyone else).
You are basically full of shit. You have argued yourself into a corner and are now saying that video is about parents “who teach their kids to get what they want at all costs, damn anyone else”
These are the same fictitious parents that teach their sons it is ok to rape.
And as to parents that neglect raising their children altogether, yes, they exist, but that has exactly jack shit to do with the commercials message of “redefine what it means to be a man.”
Sorry to step in here and hijack this way, but you really do need a new shtick. This crap is really getting old, and it was lame when it started.
And I do have to add a question. At what point do you sociological misfits ever start comprehending the fact that they way you create a rapist is to abusing him as a child?
Or has that bit of truth also been surrendered for the sake of Josh Jaspers fundraising?
Single mothers anyone? Not all of them, though. The biggest single thing that can be done to increase the respect that boys have for women is the example mothers give their sons.
When the mother kicks dad out makes false accusations against dad and the boy sees his father left destitute, possibly unjustly in jail, how does that lead to respect for women? The financial and emotional “rape” of too many fathers leads to the rape of women in the future. This is the uncomfortable truth of DV and rape.
That is why the sons from single mother families have much higher levels of rape and DV.
MEN WILL RESPECT WOMEN MORE WHEN THEY GET MORE RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES.
And don’t start on “white male privilege”, that only extends to a small elite and definitely not to black males who have a higher crime rate.
Jack -
I’ll address your historical reference to “the good-old days when women knew their place.” This is a myth perpetuated by feminist academics. Women have always had equal opportunities to be independent and self-reliant. There’s no such thing as patriarchy and women weren’t oppressed. You bought the Big Lie Jack, feminist propaganda to villianize men and make victims out of women. You don’t know what you don’t know my friend. And I don’t take off into the wilds with men of such hubris. More wreckless than safe.
Obviously you never met my mother, my grandmother or my great grandmother. They would have kicked your ass.
I totally agree Keyster… My grandmother in the 1920′s became a nurse and then travelled from the UK to Australia by herself. Over time she became a matron and owned her own hospital. My grandmother was not a feminist at all… she was a real women who I loved and adored… but it showed me that you can do anything in your life if you study and follow your dreams on your own merit.. whether it is male or female.
My mum (my she rest in peace) was just the same. She was a stay at home mum.. until us kids were ‘older’ but she worked.. whether it was paid work or helping at our schools. She was a great cook, great sewer, great 100% all over.. and it is her that I have taken my inspirations from and will continue to do so. Men are men, women are women… there is a big difference & I wish women would see that.
You, good sir, represent the kind of ignorance that is proud of itself, and raises other little ignorant boys…who, if they are lucky enough, will go to a liberal college, and be deprogrammed. Then may have the potential for leading a fulfilling life, with a woman who loves them and does not fear them. Thank you for doing exactly what I told you would do. By the way, young man…you could not keep up with me, and probably would not even pass the physical (required for some of the trips we take). God bless you!
Gentlemen,
Jack is (a proud) one of the generation of chivalrous old men that will never be convinced that women can be completely equal to men. He will always be convinced of the innocence of the little princesses and always jump to their defense against the bad menz. As evinced by his need to come over here and jump all over us due our (uphill) effort to oppose public and institutional misandry.
They are the ones that actually hold the power and prevent women from suffering from and learning from their own bad choices and in fact from growing up into responsible women.
They all need to kicked out (or die off) out their positions of power in order to give the next generations a chance to build a world where there are healthy relationships between the sexes.
We got your number Jack, thanks.
@ Poester99
Please remember that I am a product of a bad environment. I used to have to watch strangers mount and dismount my mother like she was a circus pony. And then I had to run to the liquor store with the proceeds and convince the shop keeper that the bottles we really for her.
This were much better than that before my Dad (I Think) got fed up with the traffic through the bedroom and left. He tried to take me but the state gave her custody.
So sorry, I really am a mess.
“…who, if they are lucky enough, will go to a liberal college, and be deprogrammed.”
Jack ALL colleges are liberal, so I doubt luck in that regard will be needed. What you need is a trip inward, through your conscience and soul as a man. Your “physical” trips are easy by comparison.
Put your fragile male ego in your pocket for a while and take a hard look at yours$elf in the mirror. You have no idea you’ve been indocrinated into believing lies.
Keep ‘em coming boys. I am going for the most thumbs-down. God bless.
Oh, well shit…
You just ruined it
Maybe if you didn’t let the cat out of the bag
you might have made the record
but it’s just not going to happen now
because you’ve just told everyone your intentions
shit, dude, you’re so clever
and MANLY too…
Had us all fooled this whole time…
He’s a man’s man’s MAN!
Oh, *gush*!
*Gush* indeed! I am so excitable. I made a mess and their is no dirty socks around. God bless me. My mother, when she was not on the street, told me this would grow hair on my hands.
Oh, now a man’s man’s man’s MAN!
I will swoon now!
But seriously, Our work requires passion because the concrete rewards are few and far between, and the haters are frequent.
By all means, send all your friends, we’re ready for ‘em.
Na a leopard trying to change his spots.. he gets no sympathy from me… because he could have said that in the very begining but didnt…so now back peddles.
I dont believe him at all.
“Real Man” drags a man to jails because a woman got scared.
This is the bully mentality that insecure boys are drawn to win the appreciation of women.
Cops, bullies with low intelligence. This is Josh’s big threat, him and is “Real Men”, or just everybody at Riverview who’s income depends on it.
They’re scared.
Dumb old men! Sorry Paul.
No bother here. I am old, but not dumb.
@mideophish
Just a bit of back tracking to my earlier reply to my fellow Brit, mideophish (if he is still reading ) – but this is also very relevant to readers of all nationalities – I earlier said optimistically, “seems like some wheels are beginning to roll in the right direction”, referring to the UK, Cheshire Police trying to raise awareness of male victims of domesic violence.
And this is true in the sense that it moves away from the false and paranoid notion of perpetual female victimhood.
But, on reflection, where this different direction might not necessaily be totally the ‘right’ direction comes comes not from a men’s rights or an anti-feminist perspective – but from an ‘adult human being’ perspective.
Reading through the list of some of the definitions of abuse – I ask myself ‘what the f**** has some of this got to do with the law and the tax payer funded activities of the police.’ ‘Name calling’, ‘criticising’, ‘jealous posessiveness’, ‘withholding affection’ etc.
I can’t get my head round some of this. I try to imagine how my grandfather would have been treated if he had walked into a 1950′s Police Station and lodged a complaint based upon any of these things. The best that he could possibly, and quite rightly, have hoped for would have been the offer of a cup of tea and a patronising suggestion that ‘tomorrow is another day’.
Along with the power and hatefulness of feminism we are clearly facing a world whose collective mental age has gone into terminal meltdown. It makes one despair.
But if the powers to be insist upon turning the entire world into a nursery at least, along with the women, they are offering to wipe the dribble from my chin too here in the NW of England. What they expect all this will lead to – God only knows.
@Cheshire Police
Victims of domestic abuse are also offered advice and support through a number of different channels – including Cheshire Police’s specially trained domestic abuse officers and dedicated support services via our partner agencies within the local community.
We want men to have the confidence and know-how to speak out against the abuse – please do not suffer in silence.
Different types of Domestic Abuse:
It is important for men to recognise what abuse is – whether that be emotional, psychological, physical, sexual or financial.
Please take the time to ask yourself the important questions below.
You may be in an emotionally abusive relationship if your partner:
Calls you names, insults you or continually criticises you.
Doesn’t trust you and continually acts in a jealous or possessive manner.
Tries to isolate you from your family or friends.
Monitors where you go, who you call and who you spend time with.
Does not want you to work.
Controls finances or refuses to share money.
Punishes you by withholding affection.
Expects you to ask permission.
Threatens to hurt you, your children, your family or your pets.
Humiliates you in any way.
A woman who makes a false rape accusation and remains silent as her victim lives his life in prison, where he is likely a sex slave and raped on a daily basis, may deserve to fry in an electric chair. I do not support the death penalty because we still have no way to prove one’s guilt within enough of a degree of certainty. However, I think it serves as a valid analysis to compare or perhaps, equate one frying in electric chair to one enduring the psychological and physical torment of prison.
I think it is comical that you hide the comments that you don’t like. Figures.
They can still be viewed an commented on… or couldnt you figure that one out…????
If you dont like what you read… the real truth… then dont come onto this website.. as you really have nothing of value to offer.
@lisa
Peekaboo! I see your comment!
Hi there!
So uhm, Lisa honey?
Yeah, hey, like, uhm see where is says “Click here to see.”, up there at the top and over to your right a little? Yeah, that’s it right there sweetums. Now what I’d I’d like ya to do is go ahead and move your mouse cursor over that and you’ll see the arrow turns into a little pointing hand. That means it’s an “action button” or by left clicking it (not right), it will show what your wrote. It’s a little feature that you can offer in something called html code, which is kind of an internet language. mm’K hun? Go ahead and try it now, you’ll see. It won’t do anything bad like crash Facebook. I promise.
Oh that was totally brilliant… and being a blonde myself I totally understood all your directions.
Lisa, I don’t hide comments. Readers do. And they don’t really hide them either. All anyone has to do is click where indicated and your comment will be read. And it may well be that a comment that garnered enough attention that it was down voted into hidden status will actually get more reads because it stands out. Hard to resist those hidden nasties.
On the other hand I went to Josh’s blog yesterday and commented, only to find today that he had removed it.
Refresher: Your comment, still here. My comment: removed entirely.
Now, who is comical?
@ Ben,
You stated that Marine Corps have harsher standard than civilian system. You’re right and it’s military wide. Link:
http://articles.cnn.com/1997-06-13/us/9706_13_aberdeen.pentagon_1_drill-sergeant-aberdeen-soldiers-aberdeen-scandal?_s=PM:US
”
Doublestandard alleged
Maintaining that the accusations against him are totally false, Cross told CNN he was charged because the Army considers him the man who knew it all and was responsible for the breakdown in the chain of command.
Cross also is upset at what he sees as a double standard in the sex scandal. Hes bitter that while he faces possible jail time, Aberdeen commander, Maj. Gen. John E. Longhouser, is being allowed to take early retirement after revealing an adulterous affair with a civilian woman while separated from his wife. 149K11 sec. AIFF or WAV sound
I dont have that option, Cross said.
Hes not alone in perceiving hypocrisy at the highest levels. A recent CNNUSA TodayGallup poll showed that 64 percent of Americans believe the military has one standard for highranking officers and a second standard for everyone else.”
Warning: If you do a Google serach on this subject, a sex enticement pop up may appear. Apparently law enforcement of PeeJ is trying to lure you to a sex sting trap.
Hey guys, this note is not so much as a comment to this post, although it does apply. This is more of “I don’t know where to put it so I’ll lay it here” sort of thing.
Forgive me if I am out of line.
While doing research today for grants as I do in my mundane world from time to time.
I wanted to know how many recipient organizations from 2003 until 2009 had women or womens in their name versus how many had men or mens in their name.
So in a mood of curiosity I decided to run these search queries.
Women, Womens
Men, Mens
Veteran and Veterans.
Women netted 10288 results and womens netted 14706 results.
The search term men netted 701.
Mens resulted in a grand total 547 recipients.
For those of you who are curious.
The term veteran only received 21 grants
Veterans term netted 1156.
I have the data sheets if anyone is interested I will send them.
There were some interesting “in between the line” revelations as well.
Such as on the grants for men..well what kind of men were eligible? And does it matter? You might be surprised.
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Apart from feminazi Stacie, I have the most downvotes for my post.
I guess that makes me numero uno baby. Yep, most hated man in the world here lol
Aussie Aussie Aussie oyi oyi oyi
I have 13, where does that put me, in the contest?
try-hard
The people on his FB wall are clueless. Only one person could even understand the comparison video, and think labeling little baby boys as rapists is totally fine. Of course he is aware of the PI activities etc. and is joking around on his wall on it.
“By the way, take a look at the commercial he put together to counter ours. Scary.”
“I still crack up when I think that there are people fighting for “Men’s Rights.” Well, I would crack up, if the guys fighting for it they weren’t so full of bile and hate.”
“There up to 600 for getting a P.I. to dig up some dirt for a smear campaign. Sorry Josh I find that amusing.”
Lots of women with the whole “hyphenate name” thing on his wall…why am I not surprised. I guess the men will find out when they lose their kids and have to pay CS and alimony because cupcake had an affair in their marital bed will understand only then how many rights men have. (Witnessed 2 different women do that in the last 30 days to their husbands by the way).
The MSM and these crappy little web paper sites like this one;
http://www.examiner.com/commercials-in-national/anti-rape-tv-commercial-leads-to-death-threats
keep rehashing the same story on it, allowing only pro Jasper comments seemingly, and picking out 2 comments out of probably thousands on the subject that put the MRM in a bad light, while all of the other amazing LOGICAL points get rejected as per the usual.
As an aside anyone know if pro-boards is having an issue tonight or is there something going on?
I’m normally level headed when commenting. So forgive me, but…
Lisa…stick your shaming language up your diseased, neglected cooch. None of us have any time for your misguided, kool-aid drinking bullshit.
Go attention whore somewhere else.
Josh said,
“No one has ever wanted me to die because of my gender”
And this guy was a marine.
Could you imagine the public outcry if the baby would have been Black? It would be seen as the outrageous hate crime that it is.
Thank you, thank you, thank you…for the incredible display of homophobia, bravado (covering up latent fears that you are inadequate), and proud, proud ignorance. It is men, like you, who love to hide behind name calling, in order to take potshots at men who live real lives, and are secure enough, in their masculinity, to appreciate the fact that being a real man has nothing to do with spouting hate…or making up ridiculous claims about a video that clearly does not spout hate. You have over-reacted, but from the comments here, I would guess that that is par for the course.
Once again, thank you for tonight’s entertainment. You did not disappoint. Oh, and Ben, I have never watched gay porn, child porn, or any of the like…I do not need to go into the fact that you, however, seem to know quite a bit about all three subjects. Dissertation or past time, Ben? I do not need porn, nor have I ever needed porn, as I have never had trouble with the whole concept of consensual sex or trouble having it with women, you boys can only dream of. I was seducing women, before some of you were even born, and could probably seduce your women, now…even at my age.
And yes, I am an older man, who could outlast most of you, in endurance…in bed or out in the wilds. Tis true. God bless. This sure has been entertaining…to say the least. Hahahahha!
You don’t know,
Jack
We’re gay, black and brown too, you moron!
You need to go back in to the woods where you emerged from, Mr. Sasquatch (or should I call you Wendigo)
“boys can only dream of. I was seducing women, before some of you were even born, and could probably seduce your women, now…even at my age.”
“thank you…for the incredible display of homophobia”
You really did pull this, all of this, completely, out of your ass.
I think you have graduated from “deluded” to troll status. I figure that you are a member of Mr. Josh’s crack disruption brigade. Nice try and well done btw.
“And yes, I am an older man, who could outlast most of you, in endurance…in bed or out in the wilds. Tis true. God bless. This sure has been entertaining…to say the least. Hahahahha!”
Did you *really* have that much fun? You must be really hard up for male attention.
Don’t worry, you’ll find someone to hug. *hug*
“I was seducing women, before some of you were even born, and could probably seduce your women, now…even at my age.”
See Jack, you’re just a traditionalist ass-hole, aren’t you? Mr white knight who can go where no man has gone before, the stud who “stays all night” with his woman and who can seduce other men’s wives. You are the pompous, arrogant, wannabe alpha who defines manhood as tough, rugged and abusing women. They’re all sex objects to you, you don’t hit or rape women because you have self control. Most men just don’t want to hit or rape women, no self control required.
Nothing you said showed any respect for women or men for that matter. It’s all about YOU, isn’t it?
No, thank you for the entertainment Jack. Go home and thrust your manhood into Jill, you’re so rugged, so tough, you’re such a man!
Thank you for the adroit psycho-analysis, John A. Again, it has been a joy, diverting you from the topic. The truth is that I am of the old-guard whose sex life is between me and my sex filled computer screen. They call me Fisted Fred in another circle. I believe we should respect one another, and the gerbils we insert in our rectums. That way, I don’t have to pretend to be anything other than what I am.
Excuse me, but the crisco is almost warm. I have to go now, very, very badly.
Rapist
I think he spoke eloquently. Read his comment again.
“And yes, I am an older man, who could outlast most of you, in endurance…in bed or out in the wilds. Tis true. God bless. This sure has been entertaining…to say the least. Hahahahha”
Jack’s definition of a man stated above.
I could care less who this Mr. Josh is…irrelevant to what I found here. I have emailed some of my Army buddies about your site, so that they check it out for themselves. Should be a hoot for them. It has been for me. Even more funny, that you all take it so seriously. God bless.
It’s “I *COULDN’T* care less!”
God damnit, you army guys are such fucking idiots!!
To say “I could care less” means that you DO care
To say “I COULDN’T care less”
means that it is impossible to care less
because you don’t care at all
Get that shit right, Lumber Jack
lol
no, I’m just having fun with you
It’s a “hoot”
but seriously,
do Marines understand words more complex than a grunt?
just wondering
And I’m not a “little man”
I’m 6’7, 226lbs
At least on the internet, I am
It’s not productive to bash all military men just because one person who claims to be a military man is an ass. In fact, he probably wants us to react with hostility so that he may paint us as enemies of men in the military, which we clearly are not.
My dad was infantry in Vietnam. The Spearhead has at least one writer in the military and I’m sure there are many men in the military involved in the men’s movement. Male soldiers are affected by misandric divorce & family laws and false accusations of rape. One such soldier described his ordeal only days ago here at AVFM: http://avoiceformen.com/2011/02/03/a-soldiers-story-the-travesty-of-false-allegation/
Damn, Sparta, another inch and you would be as tall as me!
@Paul…
I’ve gone after Josh and a few of his henchkids just a little in a few spots.
The post from Tim on Jaspers blog was quite interesting to me. Seems Josh is a thorough narcissist.
As someone who has met Josh and knows who he is, I would have to say that everyone here is playing into his hand. He likes to get on his soapbox and spew controversy for his ’cause’. A lot of times his ’cause’ seems to get lost and it is difficult to see what his agenda is. More often than not, his agenda seems to be bettering Josh Jasper’s public image or getting his name known. I cannot say this enough….The Riverview Center is a GREAT organization and does a lot of good for my community, Dubuque. I have met many of the people who work there and have rallied behind them in the past at fundraisers and in commercials. Josh has taken the great things that the consolers do there, taken the focus off of how much they help, and turned the spotlight on him. And he wouldn’t have it any other way. The Riverview Center will be all that much better when he is no longer employed there. They will not have to worry about what this joker is out there saying and will not have to worry about bad public image. There are ways to create awareness and they are ways to set people off and create controversy. Josh needs to stop worrying about Josh, and start worrying about the victims of the community that he claims he helps. I am just thankful the rest of the staff at Riverview is so great at what they do so the people can get the help they need.
Josh seems to have vanished over the last thirty six hours. I have a sneaking suspicion he’s been told to pull his head in.
Don’t you mean pull his head OUT?
Also
lolol @Typing error
You know damned well that wasn’t a typo
Military men would do well to be aware of western civilization’s pervasive misandry.
Hey, let me get this straight, the guys who are trained to treat male non-combatants in war zones as target practice and mindlessly boost for chivalry everywhere, are going to judge our relative masculinity? The guys who are used as expendable canon fodder to the exclusion of women are saying there is no issue here. Now there’s a good joke. I think you’re a little to invested in the man-up culture to have much wisdom to offer. So why are you here, trolling perhaps?
Pretty obvious troll
says that he initially wanted to join the MRM
but found us all to not be manly enough for him
He might be better suited for http://www.the-spearhead.com
but I dunno…that’s a lot of manliness in him
dunno if even the spearhead could contain it all
Bring on your Army Buddies Josh, they have a lot to learn.