Fear

Domestic Violence: women are half the problem

It appears our brothers and sisters in Australia, by hanging posters around the campus of Monash University, have attracted the attention of concerned citizens, including the National Women’s Officer – based on a message posted in the Australian Clayton Feminists Working Group.

Their problem appears to be the message of one of our posters which reads: “Domestic violence, women are half the problem”.

Obviously, this is an extremely condensed and simplified message, since it is intended for presentation on a poster, and a detailed exploration of all its implications would be ineffective if presented in poster format. Nobody would read it. That is why the poster also includes the domain address of A Voice for Men – where domestic violence and many other problems are discussed in detail, including in an article written by Paul Elam several years ago that was the namesake of the posters: Domestic Violence: Women are Half the Problem.

The poster, succinct in its message reflects the reality that domestic violence which as a significant problem does not occur in a vacuum, but does occur in the context of violent relationships. In addition it reflects the fact, established and confirmed by a growing body of peer reviewed research[1][2][3][4][5][6] that the popular public narrative of violent men abusing innocent, female victims is at best only a partial representation of the reality of DV, and at worst, a deliberate fabrication.

In the real world, outside the expensively produced public service announcements in which brawny male actors pantomime assaults on decorative and waif-thin female actors in advertisements and entreaties to fund this or that women’s shelter – real world domestic violence is driven by factors a bit more complex and nuanced that the canonical narrative of “male violence”. And the professionals working to ameliorate the problem of intimate partner violence know it. Poverty, drug addiction, previous childhood abuse of adults, psychological disorders are just a handful of contributing factors which lead both men and women to participate in reciprocal violence within domestic relationships.

This misleading popular narrative; that DV is sexually directional, and solely the issue of violent men abusing women is a problem for two clearly identifiable reasons.

1: Public maintenance and promotion of a false narrative – the myth of one-sided male-against-female violence has the effect of cultivating fear and hostility between men and women, hatred of men by women, and resentment and disaffection toward women by men. The narrative of innocent female victims and violent angry men serves to cultivate hatred and fear between men and women who would otherwise be one another’s natural compliments. The false narrative of bad men and good women is socially toxic.

2: The popular model of domestic violence, that of violent men and innocent female victims – because it does not reflect real-world domestic violence, is doomed to fail where it is used as the framework of any effort to reduce or eliminate DV. Anti violence activism, programs or public policies cannot succeed if they are built on a theoretical model which does not correspond to reality.

Combatting the problem of DV from a false model of sexually one-sided aggression is as useful as fighting a structure fire by spraying water on only the North and East facing walls, and letting the South and West facing walls burn freely. Approaching the serious issue of domestic violence using a known broken model may even exacerbate and amplify the problem.

Of course, all of this, even in the summarized format presented in this discussion is far too much to fit neatly onto a poster. Thus, the poster employed a terse condensation of these facts into the simple statement; Domestic Violence, women are half the problem.

However, the response to this poster and its message, from the Australian National Women’s Officer, appears from the point of view of AVfM’s editorial board, peculiar.

Here is the body of the message posted by Sally D’Amélain to the Clayton Feminists Working Group on facebook.

“A message from Noni the National Women’s Officer, similar kind of campaigning to what we were talking about in the meeting today by ways of having the ability to show support from all different sorts of people for our efforts:

 

This one is especially for the pro-feminists out there. In response to the ‘A voice for men’ and their claims about domestic violence I was hoping we could get some pictures (like this one but with men) of people taking a webcam photo of themselves with ‘In my own voice’ and then some kind of statement anti-violence against women. It will take like 5 minutes and would be a really great thing to do. Please, please, please do it! This is only an example you can use whatever ‘In my own voice: I don’t condone violence against women’ ‘In my own voice: I’m a part of the solution’ whatever you can think of! I would love you forever.

Peculiar to say the least. The message doesn’t seem at all to address the content, or the veracity of whether domestic violence is a sexually bi-directional issue, or in formulating an effective strategy to ameliorate the problem of continued domestic violence in the real world. Rather, the message here appears to be entirely concerned with managing public perception.

Its as if maintaining a narrative is more important than addressing the problem of violence. But it might be worse even than that. In the example position statements requested that members of the public provide, each statement of opposition to violence includes the limiting clause; “against women,” as in “anti-violence against women” and “I don’t condone violence against women”

If we start from an assumption that the goal is reduction or elimination of domestic violence, this doesn’t make any sense. Even a basic writer’s guide to style and rhetoric, such as Strunk and White indicates a preference for simplicity of message.

“Use short sentences.”

Obviously, because the limiting clause “against women” is nearly omnipresent in feminist anti violence rhetoric, it must be meaningful, and simple opposition to violence (against everybody) isn’t the intended message.

And this realization, assuming we interpret such rhetoric correctly indicates a goal apart from any real opposition to violence – whether against women only or otherwise.

Why maintain a narrative incorrectly portraying intimate partner violence as sexually one sided when it is clearly reciprocal and bi directional?

Why oppose violence in rhetoric which uses a standard limiting clause – suggesting to a readership informed on the issue of DV that male targeting violence is to be ignored?

Why address the published reality of sexual reciprocity in the commission of domestic violence with a campaign of spin, and public opinion rather than a fact or research-based address of the veracity of that statement made in poster form; that in fact, in matters of domestic violence; women are half the problem?

One possible explanation suggests itself, and it is included here as a hypothesis only, in the absence of a better explanation.

Maintenance of a narrative of domestic violence as sexually-specific; only aggressive, angry men, abusing innocent and victimized females – is emotionally satisfying. Despite its falsehood, it fits neatly into the maintained mythology – and taps into all of our natural desire to protect women from harm.

The more nuanced reality that intimate partner abuse and violence is sexually bi-directional, and that men and women are both victims and perpetrators of DV – this doesn’t tug so neatly on our emotions, and thus, doesn’t provide DV service agencies as ready and quick a pathway to all our wallets for donations.

In addition, the salaried employees and directors of DV service and aid providers, if they were to significantly reduce the problem of domestic violence , would effectively put non-trivial numbers of themselves out of jobs. There is no profit motive is actually reducing domestic violence – which may be why a broken, dysfunctional model of DV is used in almost all efforts to “reduce” the problem.

But surely, this view is incorrect, and such cynical, mercenary disregard for actual human damage and suffering couldn’t really be what informs the policies of service agencies and (ahem) non-profit organizations run along gender-ideological lines. No, of course not.

Which is why this public letter is being written and posted, obviously, a genuine desire to reduce domestic violence and its associated long term human damage is the motivation of both AVfM as well as DV service providers and their supporters in Australia.

For that reason, this letter is an open invitation to members of Australian National Women’s Officer and the Clayton Feminists Working Group to join the discussion and contribute here on AVfM with the long term goal of a rational and effective public policy on domestic violence – leading to long term amelioration of violence against men, women and children inside and outside the family and in intimate relationships.

[1] http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
[2] Headey, B., Scott, D., & de Vaus, D. (1999). Domestic violence in Australia: Are Women and Men Equally Violent? Australian Social Monitor 2:57-62
[3] Dutton D. G. (2007). Female Intimate Partner Violence and Developmental Trajectories of Abusive Families. International Journal of Men’s Health, 6, 54-71
[7] Archer J (2000). Sex Differences in Physically Aggressive Acts between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review. Psychological Bulletin, 126, 651-680
[4] http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/facts/1-20/2006/3%20crime%20victimisation.aspx
[5] http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf
[6] http://fathersforlife.org/pizzey/genderless.htm

About John Hembling (JtO)

John Hembling is Policy Director and Editor-at-Large for AVfM. John is also the co founder of the Community Organized Compassion and Kindness Foundation, which is dedicated to the human rights of individuals through justice and compassion. As "John The Other," he is also the Sword of Damocles, dangling like the promise of death above the irrational ideas of gender ideologues, white knights and other social diseases. JtO is FTSU personified.

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  • Nurdy Dancing

    That’s right :D lets bridge the gap and work together to solve this problem for once and for all. I know that the fondest dream of every person working in social services for domestic violence is to one day seek employment in another field :D

    • Paul Elam

      LOL!

    • kiwihelen

      Hey! I thought I was the incurable optimist around here :big grin:

    • Kimski

      Wish I could give you more upvotes for that comment.
      Seriously.

    • http://manamongoaks.com/index.html Ray

      “Domestic Violence: women are half the problem”

      Domestic Violence: the feminist paradigm is a major part of the problem

      Domestic Violence: the feminist paradigm promotes the problem

      Domestic Violence: feminist d.v. advocates profiteer from the problem

      Domestic Violence: the feminist paradigm batters innocent (male) victims.

      Domestic Violence: feminist lies make bad laws

  • Arvy

    “… an open invitation … to join the discussion and contribute here …”

    Now THAT I really would like to see, if only as a contrast to the way they treat disagreement in their own discussion venues.

    • lensman

      Here’s what I would contribute:

      “My name is [Lensman] and I am a male victim of psychological domestic violence and domestic violence by proxy, that is violence via manipulation of the system, my family, and my own child. I have reached the point where I tremble due to the stress. I have reached the point where I nearly died because I nearly fell asleep on the wheel on the way to work due to my wife not letting me sleep. I have reached the point where commiting suicide actually looks like a logical solution. To those of you that say we don’t exist, I am here to say that you are wrong.”

      …Yeah, I am sure this would go well down there…

  • Bombay

    If many women’s life view was not vested into women being victims, then there could be rational discussion/debate. Until they let go of this self image, the illogic and emotional outpouring will continue. They literally cannot let go without having a life crisis.

    Somewhat enlightened individuals would recognize their emotional responses and understand that this is an area for personal growth.

    • Skeptic

      I think you’re onto something there Bombay.
      When the misandry bubble inevitably bursts I seriously reckon there may well be the need for massive therapeutic intervention programs for those recovering from the narcissistic disorder we call feminism.
      Even though I have a professional background in social work and group psychotherapy I won’t be giving therapy to recovering feminists. They can woman up and do it for themselves like we MRA men had to man up transforming ourselves from the blue pill to the red pill paradigm.
      Hopefully by then I’ll be relaxing on my own yacht strumming a guitar and watching the sunset many many miles away from the epicenter of such sad psychodrama.

  • Robert St. Estephe

    The art of deception:

    “If you would gain a throne and hold it, fear not to make of human skulls thy stepping stones.”
    (Taitu Betul, Dowager Empress of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) – murdered 10 husbands; 1914)
    http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/09/taitu-betul-empress-of-abyssinia-serial.html

    ***
    “I’ve shot men before and managed to get out of it.” (Sharon Kinne – Independence, Missouri – murdered 3 persons; 1964)
    http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/07/ive-shot-men-before-and-managed-to-get.html
    ***
    Are we to think the art of deception the and the manipulation of the targeted man are not employed in non-homicical situations?

  • MrWombat

    I listened to the interview on Hinch (not all of it – lousy internet connection), and the guy screwed the pooch. Hinch said “are you saying that because its a relationship, the women are half responsible” and the guy did not make it clear that no, that is not what we are saying. (What we are saying is that the DV statistics show that women actually *commit* about half the DV).

    Because this person was not clear, we are now going to have an uphill fight to say “no, we are not blaming wives for DV that is not their fault”.

    He also didn’t clearly reply to Hinch’s equivocations – his statement “how can you agree that men commit more violence than women, and then say women are responsible for half the DV?”

    A poor performance – what I heard of it.

    In general – don’t put academics on the radio unless they are Dr Karl. Academics are lousy communicators because they hedge and qualify and seek agreement where possible and take too long to get to the point.

    • Arvy

      Bah. Live interviews, especially with “shock jocks”, are always a dicey situation. It has nothing to do with being an academic. No matter how well prepared one is (or thinks he is) they’ll very deliberately throw a curve ball at you every time. It’s their formula for pseudo-stardom.

      If you think you could do so much better, give it a try and post a link for us as an example of how it should be handled by a real expert like yourself.

      • Rex

        Just to play devils advocate here. While I will admit it was a high pressure and trying situation i don’t think he handled it as well as he could have.
        The line “Women are half the problem because domestic violence is a relationship issue, and there are two people in a relationship” can be interpreted in some very negative ways by a public with the mentality that domestic violence is a man hitting a woman or even one person beating on another.
        All in all there was no way an interview conducted by Derryn Hinch would turn out well, the man was thoroughly determined to defend his ideology to the death, but that one line was just cringe worthy.
        I think its worth it to critique as there is always room for improvement.

        • Arvy

          I have no problem with constructive criticism as such. I certainly got my share after some interviews that I gave and no doubt deserved all of it. However, the post-interview assessments were part of a one-on-one coaching process with an experienced and professional “media strategy” mentor who acknowledged the good parts as well as pointing out my screw-ups.

          My early efforts did not get clobbered by Monday morning quarterbacks in any public forum. Thank goodness. And I guess I can’t help having a lot of sympathy for others facing that situation.

    • Raven01

      “That guy” happens to be Dr. Canning. Who contributes articles time and his livelihood to a cause he believes in.
      He took a bit of a kicking but maintained his composure under an attack that would have had many people too angry to communicate effectively.
      Let me know when you get an interview on a show with that many listeners and we can talk strategy then. Until then, unless you are willing to help the guys that are putting their balls on the line to help you and men everywhere, step the hell off.
      Anyone doing a hostile interview could benefit from a team of MRA’s searching relevant info in real time while being interviewed. This alone could limit damage from ambushes and give the interviewee the breathing space to work on strategy while being backed up with relevant facts.

      • andybob

        Derryn Hinch obviously expected a woman-hating yobbo. When Dr Canning turned out to be calm, personable and plausible, the Shame Monster tried to rile him up by hurling potty-mouthed insults. Dr Canning remained implacable, politely citing statistics and remaining on-topic.

        My favourite part was when Hinch attempted a gotcha moment by revealing a DV accusation from some ex of Dr Canning’s. Without missing a beat, Dr Canning explained that it is just such an experience which forced him, like many other men, to become rudely aware of just how prevalent false DV accusations are, thus supporting the point Dr Canning was making in the first place. Beautiful.

        Hinch knew he’d ben aced – that’s when he became really unhinged. He even foolishly dismissed the widely-known fact that lesbian relationships are prone to violence. I suggest that anyone who doesn’t know that lesbian culture enshrines violence as an aspirational male quality (that is OK when they do it) probably doesn’t know any lesbians.

        I would hazard a guess that a huge percentage of Hinch’s demographic is Kath&Kim ignorant. In which case, they are intellectually impenetrable anyway. However, there would have been a significant number of listeners familiar with the Hinch schtick and perceived Dr Canning as a credible man making credible points.

        This was a public relations success which gave AVFM massive publicity in Australia. Dr Canning represented us, and himself, extremely well.

    • gwallan

      I listened too and agree with your criticisms. However I have had experience speaking to Hinch on air previously on similar matters. Put simply, he’s a pig. If he hasn’t got complete control of the discourse or if you seem likely to prove him wrong he WILL cut you off.

  • http://Human-Stupidity.com Human-Stupidity.com

    Are you sure women are only half of the problem? Any proof?

    Could be that women are 90% of the problem:

    Constantly doing shit tests, irritating men

    Picking the wrong men

    Totally shamelessly using physical violence without a pang of guilt or restraint.

    Being verbally abusive

    ……

    Just asking. MRA are too egalitarian and just.

    Most women say men are 100% of the problem. Why does no MRA venture to say women are 100% of the problem? Or at least 51%, OR 75%?

    • Arvy

      You mean why do so many men feel some compulsion to “fight fair” even when their opponents don’t? Richard Dawkins would argue genetics. Personally, I blame it on all those Hollywood “good guy” movies.

    • Kazzi

      Even tho women will say men are 100% of the problem, men will NOT resort to stating incorrect facts. Try finding real statistics of men who have had d.v against them and it is very very hard to find.
      We all know that is a lot higher that what is reported, so until men stand up and say, yes I am a DV stat, their voices wont be heard. But we hope that will change.

      • Raven01

        I think for that to happen we will 1st have to toss out “he hurt my feewings” as DV. The widening of “DV” events has made it that much more difficult for men to report, let alone report the same sort of events that are being collected as representative data on DV against women.

        • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

          Some have dumbed it down so much that pounding your fist on a table is now considered “domestic violence.” It’s pathetic.

    • J3DIforce1

      “Most women say men are 100% of the problem. Why does no MRA venture to say women are 100% of the problem? Or at least 51%, OR 75%?”

      Because we are not feminist! We like facts round here! Here ya go :)

      http://www.avoiceformen.com/mission-and-values/about/

    • dejour

      Consider the hostility to a message backed by peer-reviewed studies.

      Overstating the case, will make MRAs look like liars, and far too easy to dismiss.

      • Howard Beale

        This, this, this. A thousand times, this.

        But where are the peer-reviewed studies and can they be put onto a side bar for easy reference?

        I found this DV/IPC Summary on reddit

        Review of Studies: Professor Martin S. Fiebert
        SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.

        http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/y0mnx/dvipc_summary/

        What really sways public opinion is the cost to taxpayers to fund these massive government programs to combat the self-perpetuating myth of “evil” men.

        It doesn’t matter what the problem is, if you look for it you will find it. This is the problem. It is self reinforcing, program reinforcing, they need to find this evidence, or the program itself will be in jeopardy.

        • Arvy

          A new setup for factual reference links is being worked on, currently in the initial infrastructure stage. (I’ll leave it to Dean Esmay to elaborate if he chooses to do so.) In the meantime, for those who may be interested in pursuing that reference to Professor Fiebert’s studies in greater depth, here is a link to the complete bibliography: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assaultsbib.html

          And here are the complete annotations: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

        • Arvy

          Here’s a link to the complete annotated references for that study by Professor Fiebert for anyone who may wish to pursue the details in greater depth: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    • JFinn

      Because MRAs are egalitarians and feminists are bigots.

      Faux-egalitarians are obviously cynical when they equate MRAs with feminists, noting that we spend most of our time tending to the issues of only one gender. Thing is, we live in a society where nearly all gender issues in common discourse and in the media are gyno-centric. Considering the discrepancy in advocacy for each sex, the people who like bashing both feminists and MRAs are basically throwing a pebble at the feminist dragon while clubbing the MRA baby Seal.

      And yet, it’s obvious that MRAs would be perfectly willing to tend to women’s issues, had society been balanced in this regard.

  • dejour

    We probably don’t have the network to make this happen, but it would be awesome to have a counter-campaign of women stating “in their voice” that they will refrain from violence against men.

  • Paul Elam

    You can make any poster you like.

  • andybob

    Notice how Ms Sally suggests that men should be rounded up to be displayed on posters titled, “In My Own Voice”… and then dictates what these men should say?

    Feminists are so funny.

    • Kimski

      Cut the strings.
      Fight the power.

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

        Fight the strings.
        Cut the power.

        • Kimski

          I have to agree.
          Cutting the power would be the ultimate weapon. All this would be over in less than a month.
          I’m going to savour that thought for a while.

  • tallwheel

    Such flawed thinking.
    DV=male on female violence, therefore
    “Women are half the problem”=victim blaming, encouraging violence

    Honestly, I can see how a blue pill person passing by could make this mistake. After all, they have been fed more than their share of the feminist narrative on a college campus.

    But when it comes to groups trying to take action against AVfM, JtO is right. Nobody can be this stupid. Anyone who has visited this site cannot honestly think that AVfM is a pro-violence site.

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    Paul’s right. What’s stopping you? If you think you can help, go do it. Put your money where your mouth is, all that. I’ve got my own strategies mapped out for helping, what are yours? (That is not a sarcastic question either, it’s serious.)

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    I’m pleased to see the open invitation for dialogue by the way. I think that should be a standing offer to any of these people.

    Do I think they’ll have the courage and honesty to take it? You know what? It doesn’t matter what I think does it? If the door’s open for them any time they want it, then it’s on them if they don’t choose to walk through it, or at least peak inside and say hello and find out no one’s going to do anything but talk to them.

    • Raven01

      I bet in 10 years you will find at least one of these Monash gender studies students standing at our side.
      they have a shitload of indoctrination to overcome but, the truth is on our side. At least one student there must have some degree of integrity. Perhaps this is something more down QRG’s alley though having walked that path herself.

      • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

        I’m about 85% certain you are correct.

        The social disparities and the cognitive dissonance are too great. We’ve had a whole generation, really two, raised in the wake of these people’s ideology, and the damages become ever more apparent.

  • Railstar

    A statistic I would recommend putting on that poster would be from the CDC NISVS 2010 – men were 53% of DV victims that year yet received only 0.68% (yes, less than 1%) of support from shelters.

    Maybe include that men who seek help escaping from domestic violence are often accused of being the batterer.

    • lensman

      Thanks for that, it’s very useful!

    • http://beijaflorbeyondthesunset.wordpress.com Rick Westlake

      I’ve given it a try on a poster -

      http://beijaflorbeyondthesunset.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/fifty-three-percent2.pdf

      Thank you, Robert St. Estephe, for your Web site and the graphics you’ve put on it. I thought the Flatiron Incident was a good illustration for this one.

      • http://beijaflorbeyondthesunset.wordpress.com Rick Westlake

        Sorry, made a mistake on the earlier poster, mis-naming Robert’s website. Here’s the revision.

        http://beijaflorbeyondthesunset.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/fiftythreepercent.pdf  

        Women’s domestic violence against men and boys is much older than today’s spoiled-brat feminism.

        • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

          That is truly epic. In fact it’s one of the first I’ve seen that might actually play in my part of (very whitebread conservative) Middle America.

  • andybob

    Maintenance of a narrative of domestic violence as sexually-specific; only aggressive, angry men, abusing innocent and victimized females – is emotionally satisfying.

    Mr JTO has an uncanny way of pinpointing the fundamentals of every issue. Feminists have succeeded wildy by utilising their innate understanding of how to manipulate the male instinct to protect women and children. Their capacity to coerce men to turn against each other on their behalf betrays a feral cunning that would have left Machiavelli lost for words.

    The recent display of Derryn Hinch’s blustering indignation when a poster made Sally-Ann-with-the-little-girl-voice sad is a pathetic reminder of how easily men can be led around by their good intentions. Being heroic is emotionally satisfying. So many of us began as blue pill puppets until whatever personal experience finally revealed the truth behind the biggest scam in western history.

    Dr Palmatier can delineate the emotional satisfaction women derive from the victim narrative better than I ever could. I suspect there is a reason why DV campaign imagery can easily be mistaken as the cover art for a Mills&Boon potboiler. Heroines in ripped bodices cowering before savage beasts who can’t control their passions fulfils some kind of yearning beyond mere titlation.

    I also suspect that the role of perennial victim is appealing because of the staggering array of passes it allows – not to mention sympathy and hugs. Certain types of women yearn to be coddled and infantilized. They gravitate to the grievance industries.

    One of the greatest obstacles the MRM faces is the entrenched lack of care and concern for the rights and welfare of men and boys. It is part of our disposability. As Mr JTO suggests here and elsewhere (Ms GWW is also eloquent on this issue), people don’t recognise men as victims of domestic violence because they simply don’t care about male pain and suffering.

    Absorbing violence is perceived as one of our natural functions. It doesn’t matter if it is perpetrated on each other, during combat or in a domestic dispute – men are supposed to just shut up and take it. In my experience, a blue pill man can never be fully emancipated until he recognizes and rejects the assumption of his disposability – his function as a utility object. It can be a revelation to most men that they, as humans, actually matter. This is a tragedy.

    Men need to be encouraged to seek emotional satisfaction in ways that are in their own best interests. Selfishness can be healthy. This should never be interpreted to mean that duty and sacrifice have no place. It’s just that we should never allow elites, feminists and Derryn Hinch to determine what those sacrifices should be.

    Those who have ventured to AVFM out of curiosity over the poster issue, could not have been met with a more sober, reasonable and intelligent response to explain the “women are half the problem” quote. Excellent work Mr JTO.

  • Raven01

    Go right ahead.
    In certain venues I even think that idea may be quite beneficial to us.
    And, please share your work incase any of us are in such a venue.

  • gateman

    Erin Prizzy, who set up women’s DV shelters in the UK, tells it like it is.

    • http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/ KARMA MRA MGTOW

      From my youtube page.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F

    On behalf of all brothers I write this destitute in a halfway house.

    Recently I was run off my half of the pavement when veered aside by a pram shaped steamroller. This was the halfway mark of my demise and it got worse.

    Later that day I was given half the time required at the post office compared to the woman in line in front of me. Then I was glared at half the time on the tram when I refused to stand for a woman. It was not half suggested I exit there and then, and I did so half-heartedly. On foot now, and halfway to my destination. I was clobbered by the truth as a halfback might at halftime from half his mates.

    I thought, “How is it, half in my life, I have half the consideration, half the voice, half the respect, half the rights from a society with half a heart showing a half-baked concern for half of us while telling anything from halftruths to abject lies?”

    The note of discord in me now rings as a struck bell more than a halftone, and the half-life of it’s vibration will sound all my existence.

    Without any half measure, I believe they will hear my thoughts as I have passed the halfway mark, with more than half a mind with my resolve.

    I know I can do this as I am a glass is ‘half full’ kinda guy.

    Thanks for listening, and on my oath I swear you have only heard the half of it.

    P.S.
    That’s my halfpence worth.

  • Primal

    Rape: Women are Half the Problem…too. Posting that truism might get one shot though.

    • http://www.johntheother.com John the Other

      challenge accepted – photos of new posters glued up will be forthcoming

      • Nurdy Dancing

        Shit disturber!!! LOL

  • lensman

    I am working on such a poster right now. I can’t find any useful stockphoto images of women being violent on men so I am going to have to do some actual work on the graphics.

  • napocapo69

    What I find really disgusting is the hypocrisy.
    Most of the slogan used in Italy around violence against women sounds like “men kills women”…

  • James Christianson

    http://www.HowIgotCustody.org.

    ….and lawyer are another part (hustlers, sellouts)…

    ….but MEN are the other part because we are too lazy, don’t care, and don’t want to fight the system and change it and lazy “fathers’ rights” groups ONLY care about pissing and moaning and crying about an unjust system, but aren’t focusing energies on ACTUAL THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE the system.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      Not all of them. I know one or two quietly working behind the scenes who are making slow but steady progress you’ll probably never hear about. That said, the number that just sit around bitching is pretty high I’m afraid. We need to change that. I think we can change it. Although in ANY population group, any race age sex etc. most people are apathetic. You’ve got to get them stirred up and some just won’t be stirred. OK, fine, we find those who can be.

      Letting them know that complaining alone won’t change a thing is one way of doing that. ;-)

  • by_the_sword

    In my own words:

    Violent and/or abusive females should be held accountable for thier actions.

    [insert picture of me flipping the bird]

  • ActaNonVerba

    My thoughts are, whatever you do (meaning whoever is directly involved in this thing in Australia), don’t start playing defense and putting out fires as they come. Endless diarrhea of the mouth, shit testing, tedious over-analyzing, and emotional manipulativeness are women’s games.

    Men act. Men do things and are creative on the fly. Keep doing your thing. Keep pressing. As far as stats go, you’ve already won (so long as you don’t get distracted and bogged down).

    If the women want to come after the “half of all women” phrase, fine. Just make a new poster with a few horrible feminist pseudo-stats (e.g. “1 in 4), each followed with a brief summary (perhaps including a quote about said stat from someone who embarrasses crazy feminists for a living, e.g.Hoff-Sommers).

    If radio shows want you on, bring note cards with the appropriate condemnations of horrible feminists pseudostats to hit back and put the interviewer on the defensive.

    Just ideas. Hope whoever is all involved kicks their arses.

  • Ben

    Our yearbook just came in. It dedicated an entire section about domestic violence against women. Yep. Dead serious. Our yearbook did exactly that. It starts off mentioning that more women were killed by men who claimed to love them during the Vietnam War than soldiers were killed duing the entire war. I ordered this yearbook and paid a lot of money for it. I can honestly say that I did not see that one coming.

    • MenDiscontinued

      I’d like to see the scan of that please.

      • Ben

        I will provide one next weekend. I am on campus till Friday. When I get home this weekend I will do so. I might do a video about it too.

      • Ben

        Okay, I scanned it. Actually, after scanning it, I decided to make into a short video. I don’t know if I have hypertext privileges on this site, but I will try to post the link anyway. Here goes:

  • dejour

    Although I fully support the poster campaign, I do think it can be improved.

    Stating “Domestic violence: women are half the problem” is true and attention-grabbing. But it is too easily misread. A small additional paragraph explaining that peer-reviewed DV studies show that men and women are equally likely to physically assault each other would explain the message. Perhaps a link to a well respected study (eg. Archer, 2000)

    http://feminism.martinsewell.com/Archer2000.pdf

    Ultimately the goal of these campaigns is to educate the public and change opinion so that men’s rights can be supported in law and in practice. It’s fun to get feminists hyperventilating, but I’m not sure the current campaign is really changing opinions. Probably some people have a prior feeling that something is wrong with feminism and are motivated to learn more about the MRM when they see this. But, there are also people who see the message, don’t investigate further, and simply think “Misogynists are at again. Clearly we still need feminism.” Are there more people in the first group or the second? I’d like to think the first, but realistically I doubt it. Simply putting a brief explanation might shift the balance.

    • Raven01

      “Stating “Domestic violence: women are half the problem” is true and attention-grabbing. But it is too easily misread.”
      The 1st thing femmies have been destroying on posters is any data showing parity in violence.

      Spazzing femmies tend to make even more outrageous lies to try to support their gender bigotry so, the shock value is very worthwhile.

  • Bamph

    My first wife was physically abusive. I told her before we ever married that if she ever hit me with a closed fist or kicked me then I would hit her back in self defense.
    You would think that threat alone would prevent her from doing phsical violence upon me for all of the six years that we have known each other.

    • scatmaster

      You are kidding right?
      With the feminist collective standing beside her you were lucky she didn’t kill you.
      All in…cough cough… self-defense of course.

      Been there and I am still walking on those egg shells lest a 2×4 comes out of nowhere with complete impunity.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/ KARMA MRA MGTOW
  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/karma/ KARMA MRA MGTOW

    My posters can be found below, I am fielding requests from all over the world for these, particularly from young women.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/141786891654/files/