Alain Soral on Feminism

A prominent leftist intellectual and film-maker in France, Alain Soral has some thoughts on feminism worth thinking about.

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  • Duke

    The US gender-feminist movement would be a viper with no fangs, if it was not for their manufactured statistics Alliances with American law enforcement. If it was not for these manufactured statistics Alliances, wack jobs like “Meg Lankers” would have no faulty and inflammatory rape statistics to Inflame the public with. These manufactured statistics Alliances are not only unconstitutional, they are a stain On American law enforcement that won’t wash off easily.

    • OldGeezer

      Manufactured statistics, while unquestionably vital to their success, must be regarded as a supportive tool. Manufactured language seems to be the primary key.

      EQUALITY (n): The societal state in which all women are accorded all of the rights and privileges (including monetary) of the most senior adult male in the “patriarchy” of their most fertile imaginings, along with a few unique to themselves such as absolute control over all human procreation and progeny, whilst at the same time assuming no greater responsibility than the most severely handicapped infant and with special protections appropriate to the latter.

      And that manufactured version of “equality” is also the mission. Has been since the beginning, in fact.

      • Duke

        interesting old geezer, “manufactured language”…I will ponder!!!

  • earth one

    Leftist? I Googled. It seems he’s ideological positions and perspectives a few times. A former member of the French Communist Party and then a former member of the central committee of France’s right-wing National Front. In 2007 he formed Equality and Reconciliation, a “Left Nationalist” organization which is described (according to Wikipedia) as being “on the Left for the workers and on the Right for morals.”

    • jedach

      You couldn’t be more right.

      Alain Soral changed opinions and positions a few times, which is not uncommon for journalists and intellectuals (such as Christopher Hitchens, although the two are not exactly comparable). He definitely sides with the left in defence of what he sees as legitimate class struggle (but only if they’re actually doing it) while criticising it for dogmatic moralistic views in feminism and other egalitarian ideologies.

      But my point is this interview provides an example, while the translation “this matches the liberal bourgeois’ woman idea’ is correct at 3:37, he says ‘bourgeoise de gauche’ which literally translates as ‘this matches the leftist bourgeois’ woman idea’. I’m not trying to be pedantic with the video’s translation, just illustrating you summarised the character pretty well.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      It wouldn’t matter, there is a subset of morons who frequently attack 90% of the population as “leftist.” These ideologues frequently attack us for not being ideologically pure enough. Whatever. “Left” and “Right” are sloppy labels at best anyway.

      • animatefire

        Sloppy labels one day, vague constructors of identity the next, in that they serve to summon icons and images romantic and nonspecific to heroes and ideals they do not understand nor are willing, much less capable, of criticizing. It would seem that the cornerstone of dogma is the ego; which in turn is a product of the marketplace.

  • dejour

    Really good interview. I think that the way he sets up his argument will really sting feminists too. The idea that upper and middle class feminists experienced gains at the expense of working class women will hurt them. As will the notion that feminists were useful idiots of consumer society.

  • Sammich Heist

    Watched some other videos of him, he’s spot on and demolishes feminists arguments with painfull bricks of logic.
    ( And the subtitles match exactly what he’s saying, you’re not missing out on the translation. )

    Then I found this gem (French only sorry, the auto-translation is crap, hilarious but worthless):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V73XJPzHNUY

    One of the male feminists is a complete idiot, at one point in the show he’s pointing the fact that the majority of company managers in France are white as if that’s an irrefutable proof of racial discrimination.

    Geez, I wonder what race are the majority of managers in Africa or Asia.
    Maybe they have affirmative action for the white minority over there? no? OMG!!!
    Why don’t they go over there and try getting Affirmative Action going for them.

    • jedach

      If you’re starting to look into French anti-feminist videos, look for Eric Zemmour, he is probably the most prominent French anti-feminist journalist, well respected, on TV every week (i-Tele) and you will find thousands of videos with his name on YouTube. He is at odd with Soral on other subjects but very much agree on pretty much everything on the subject of feminism.

      He wrote quite a popular book in France, and I’m sure AVFM readers will understand the intended irony since Simone De Beauvoir’s work, his book his called: ‘Le premier sexe’ / ‘The first sex’.

      One thing peculiar about Zemmour (and you will notice that even his English wiki page is comprehensive, while only being mainstream in France) is how much he is allowed to speak on TV and radio.
      I assume it’s mostly thanks to a huge audience and the fact that French feminism has been nowhere as anti-male as in the Anglosphere (until recently unfortunately where it became quite intense), but other journalists did try to stop him and slander him a few times even quoting him out of context in a movie called ‘La violence faite aux femmes’ (The violence against women).
      You might see a taste of that in his wiki page which is quite biased of the subject on his views of homosexuals and feminism, when Zemmour talks about ‘gay ideology’, he talks about feminism and LGBT radicals using the homosexual population as a shield to enforce Gender Studies through state power, a far cry from the homophobic image they’re trying to give him (without much success fortunately). The thing is in French when the word ‘gay’ in English is used instead of ‘homosexuel’ it refers to the lobbying associated to feminism, not the sexual preference, something his wiki page forgets to mention.

      • Sammich Heist

        Thanks for the info on the French (France) situation.

        I’d say a similar thing has happened in Quebec in the sense that Feminism has been a bit less aggressive there as well. The situation is a tiny bit better than the rest of the English western world, ( a subjective 10-20% better depending.. )
        Not much, just enough so that men don’t got MGTOW in droves YET.

        I feel there’s also a bit stronger anti-victimist mentality in Quebec women, more like “true” Feminism. (HAHAHAHA, I can’t say “true feminism” with a straight face, excuse me. I mean real independant assertive womanhood, as opposed to violent man beating and bashing.)

        I’m not saying it’s great and awesome. 10% better crap is still crap.

        Just explaining probably why we don’t see as much MHR activity in Quebec (Earl Silverman Center fiasco aside), I think they’re still just below the threshold.

        • Jean-philippe Chaussé

          I started to listen to alain soral about the same time than I started following Avfm, in 2011. I think his message his not verry compatible with yours. He is a strong nationalist, against immigratio , and hostile to the anglosphere, especially the americano-zionist empire. He is verry found of canadians. He believes in a traditionalist patriarchy, in which men prptect woman and is generally cold to the idea of a men’s rights movement. He is against victim ideologies: feminism, zionism and LGBTQ+ stuff, and althought he doesent hate these demographics, he percive these ideology as harmfull to the fabric of the nation, which is, according to him, the basis of the protection of workers. He woukd never write for AVFM, because avfm doesent have a french-speaking website. Just sayin’.

        • Jean-philippe Chaussé

          There is no anti-feminism in quebec because its a sin against the state religion: separatism. Its like being against bill101 or pro amrican/alberta.

          • toothless

            i got to disagree here, i am from Quebec and i don’t see your point with separatism and anti feminism. I think most of the people here are to sheepish to have a disagreeing opinion that might make them look “intolerant”unless lots of people are also in agreement. Also the fact here feminism did not go for the jugular right away and are just slowly creeping in there. With a female prime minister the feminist also do not have much ground to stand on here to say women are not given power.
            I know many men who are mgtow mentality and realize marriage is crap and all that stuff, but there is a huge nawalt still highly present. Many of the community here are from small village, where most women. where to busy working their ass off to survive to worry about all this feminism crap. I can see a whole new generation of young women freshly programmed by feminist ideology and sadly the tide will soon turn.for the worst.
            and one last point most of the info on all this stuff is in English and Quebec is mainly french speaking so it does not catch on as quick.

    • Mateusz Wacek

      I can’t speak for all of Asia, but living in China, I see that every business owner so far is Han Chinese (they make up well over 90% of the population of China).

      I doubt I’d have much luck demanding a position because of need to diversify, fill quotas, or “overcome yellow-priviledge” (and actually, yes, there are white, black, and brown people who are Chinese, just that they’re a very, very small minority, and tend to be invisible).

  • napocapo69

    realy a great video, that exposes the real nature of moder feminism, a consumerization of family leading to a class conflict

  • comslave

    A remarkably concise definition.

    But what I get out of this really is that true feminism can only be achieved when all women get their tubes tied and reproductions ceases.

    • Sammich Heist

      Pretty much, yes. That’s biology, “tough luck sweetypie” that’s how the universe works,

      A few things might “fix” it:

      Succeed in creating artificial wombs, which would make women obsolete (why would you want a weaker, more fragile, menstruating body model with a now uselessly wide pelvis), with possibly hormone treatment for men to lactate or just baby formula if we get one that is 100% as good.

      Impose draconian control on the work week only allowing people to work 3 days a week so both parents in turn can take care of the kids (3 days working daddy, 3 days working mommy, 1 family day) and IMPOSE non-optional equal parental leave on both parents.

      Genetically modify women to become as work-efficient as men, completely control hormones artificially to block pregnancies, menstruations, control muscle and bone mass, then IMPOSE non-optional equal parental leave on both parents.

      Genetically modify humans to become hermaphrodites.

      There isn’t much else I can see that would create “equality”. Feminists like to complain but they don’t have any realistic solutions that don’t involve men propping women up with financial support provided by mostly men’s taxes, imposing quotas, and other affirmative actions BS.

  • Mateusz Wacek

    Excellent job criticizing feminism’s zeal for pretending it’s some underdog in a class warfare struggle. Feminists like wearing the guise of the downtrodden, while still enjoying the privilege of gynocentrism. It’s like if a civilian bought a some army fatigues from a military surplus store, faked a leg injury, and then pretended to be a wounded Vietnam vet in order to get sympathy.

    I appreciated in particular how he pointed out that in Marxist thought, being a working-class laborer is not “freedom”. The notion that feminists “liberated” women so they could join the ranks of working class men is ridiculous. You don’t see feminists demanding quotas for sanitation workers, Wal-Mart clerks, gas station attendants, or gardeners. When they want to get more women in businesses, they want them as the owners and CEOs… positions that would be considered bourgeois. They don’t want to overthrow the upper class. They want to be invited in.

    Even if you disagree vehemently with the anti-capitalist left, you should be able to easily see feminism’s hypocrisy in claiming allegiance to it, and demanding that it serve them when convenient (like providing people with more zeal than critical thinking skills to protest in mobs).

    Their connection with capitalism is pretty much the same. As long as it benefits them, they’ll go with it, taking advantage of loans to start up businesses, and quotas to get a free ride to the board room. They believe in pure meritocracy only so much as “having a vagina” counts as merit.

  • Jean-philippe Chaussé

    I started to listen to alain soral about the same time than I started following Avfm, in 2011. I think his message his not verry compatible with yours. He is a strong nationalist, against immigratio , and hostile to the anglosphere, especially the americano-zionist empire. He is verry found of canadians. He believes in a traditionalist patriarchy, in which men prptect woman and is generally cold to the idea of a men’s rights movement. He is against victim ideologies: feminism, zionism and LGBTQ+ stuff, and althought he doesent hate these demographics, he percive these ideology as harmfull to the fabric of the nation, which is, according to him, the basis of the protection of workers. He woukd never write for AVFM, because avfm doesent have a french-speaking website. Just sayin’.

  • http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com Robert St. Estephe

    Rather chilling to see human life described as nothing but an engagement with economic (material) imperatives . Always is depressing for me. Tunnel vision. At least mice and roaches go about their business without turning it into words.

    The truths about the “gender” racket expressed here are quite obvious to anybody who can think clearly. The video provides a useful document for those who prefer this sort of ultra-materialist approach to help them start to see the gimmicks in the shell game of the “gender” utopianism industry.

    • Duke

      (material) imperative…..Ultra-materialist approach…… bro you been hitting the Krishnamurti??

  • donzaloog

    He was on point with everything he said.