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They did not get everything right, but they did something that will strike fear into the heart of every hateful ideologue out there.

They approached balance, and they started addressing the issues.

Everyone, keep doing what you are doing. Never relent!

About Paul Elam

Paul Elam is the founder and publisher of A Voice for Men, the founder of A Voice for Men Radio, the AVfM YouTube Channel, and appears weekly on AVFM Intelligence Report, Going Mental with Dr. Tara Palmatier and weekly on MANstream Media with Warren Farrell and Tom Golden.

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  • turner67

    Yay!

  • http://www.wildmanproject.ca BrianC

    Honestly I am surprised to see such a polite and balanced discussion on CityTV. They have never impressed me with their journalism before, but then I have never been impressed with my country’s journalistic venues before. That they chose to approach this with (a reasonable level of) integrity is a breath of fresh air.

    I certainly hope the viewers will see the “I’m afraid I’ll be targeted” line for the disingenuous and manipulative statement that it is. The kid came off as calculating, rather than genuinely worried.

    On thing that did bother me though – they clearly looked at Register Her… and so they saw that the threats of violence were nonexistant. So why not say as much? That missing point was Yellow.

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Agreed. They did nothing to challenge or seek proof of the claim that we were targeting anyone unfairly or promoting violence. That was yellow.

      And while I will never settle for crumbs from the mainstream media, the fact is that they actually named three significant men’s issues and said they were valid.

      They also challenged the efforts to silence those issues as well as showing some of the worst that the fembots had to dish out.

      Overall this was a huge score, and I am predicting more to come, courtesy of AVFM. :)

      • http://www.wildmanproject.ca BrianC

        Honestly, I think that Western Culture at large can’t afford to ignore Men’s Issues any longer. Even the most blind can see that the rate at which Men are opting out is untenable for the survival of our society.

        We are close to an economic breaking point and we need the contributions men offer most: dedication, focus, innovation, linear thought, the predilection to make morally hard choices, and the will to accept manual labour. We are living on thin ice.

        While they may not really be genuinely ready to deal with Mens’ Issues yet, the Media, and their viewers are feeling just how unstable our footing really is. I agree with your prediction: we’ll see a lot more stories like this one before too long.

        Even the most indoctrinated people won’t stick to their ideology if there is no food in the larder.

        • Kimski

          I completely agree with your assessments, but I’d like to see the ice become even thinner, so we don’t have to deal with the same kind of shit in another 200 or 300 years, at least.
          I’d like it to really hurt first, so we can point back to this time in history and say: “Remember what happened the last time you wanted to eat the cake, and demanded to keep it at the same time?”

          • http://www.wildmanproject.ca BrianC

            I see your point, but I wonder if we’ll ever be able to hit such a low point that people will really learn from it. Sixty Eight years since WWII, and already the same sort of navel-gazing unaccountable academia, bureaucratic doublespeak, unbridled industrial greed, and reckless cultural experimentation that created the most horrific conflict in human history are rampant all around us.

            That isn’t a low I would want myself, my child, or my grandchildren to have to live through. It would be a stupid waste of life and destroy legacies that driven Men are working hard to create today.

            We’d probably still repeat this shit in a few hundred years. Because freedom from misery is not in the program: human consciousness requires struggle and suffering, and will create it where it fails to exist. It is part of our raison d’etre.

            I’d rather see us get only as close to the brink as we need to in order to see how foolish we’ve been, and pull back while restructuring our culture to something decent, humane, egalitarian, and functional is still doable.

            Although I can’t help but wonder if there is even that much difference between our two described points. In my more pessimistic moments I suspect we will only be able to sort our shit out when we’ve spent some time on the brink. Or if Western Civilization might have to be a “do over.”

          • Kimski

            @BrianC:

            Definitely upvoted and general agreement from here.

      • Kimski

        “..as well as showing some of the worst the fembots had to dish out.”

        I can easily imagine how the lowbrow flatskulls, that has been outed on these pages, are sitting at home clapping in exitement while going: “Look, Mom, it’s me on TV!” – Completely unaware of the likely consequences this will have later in their life.

        Like Dean said: The gift that keeps on giving. You just can’t make up this kind of stupid.

      • Roger O Thornhill (George Kaplan)

        They won’t be able to have their cake and eat it too. But they can have their Red Pills and STFU! :-)

      • MGTOW-man

        This is one reason why I like this site so very much. The snowball is getting bigger.

        • Near Earth Object

          Noticeably bigger in just the short time I have been here.

          I See Movement…MHRM!

  • Adam Catalyst

    Wow. Proud to be a Torontonian for a change. The reporter was pretty clear in her final assessment.

  • Rog

    *budgie flex happy dance*

  • Andy Bob

    Proud moment for the MHRM, and AVFM in particular.

    Here, members of the MSM question the validity of the feminist claim that concern over men’s issues somehow takes something away from women – the foolishness of such a claim is self-evident. That is a major breakthrough.

    The feminists at the U of T look violent and deranged.

    Score.

    • http://gloriusbastard.com/ JJ

      Exactly, the feminists of the world should put the clamp down on their sistren at UofT; because their fellow comrades are batting for our team!

      Truly, without knowing it, they are the gift that keeps on giving.

      Maybe even someday, Manboobs and his coverage of this site will have to admit how much of a jack ass he and his fellow misandrises are.

    • http://none universe

      “The feminists at the U of T look violent and deranged.”
      – And the representatives of men from AVfM in all vid footage looked placid, conciliatory, engaged in instructive guiding. Well done JtO and Dan.
      A little more accurate contrast please CITY.

      • OneHundredPercentCotton

        “Well done JtO and Dan.”

        Hear! Hear! That bears repeating!

    • Roger O Thornhill (George Kaplan)

      Hi Andy Bob,
      I think there’s a problem with your last sentence? I might be wrong…?
      The feminists at the UofT actually are violent and deranged. :-)

  • Shrek6

    I guess not a bad report, especially considering the MSM at large is mostly or almost totally against Men’s Human Rights.

    But the one thing I loved the most about that video, was that they also showed the filthy foul mouthed women to the world media and general public, and it hasn’t just come from AVfM only.
    Poor widdle poppets must be feewing reewy mbarrassed bout now!

    And the parting comments from these two reporters on how these legitimate issues regarding men and boys being discussed, has somehow got women believing it is taking away from them, is a real boon in my book.

    There are a lot of people out there who are not that stupid and they will be nodding their heads at that and asking the same sort of questions the rest of us ask about these over enabled nasty lunatics.

    Thanks for the report Paul. We shall soldier on!

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      It pretty much showed how much THEY need to check THEIR privilege – AND their “fees fees”.

  • RM1970

    The truth shall make you free.
    Usually the Main Stream Media has a biased view, don’t tell what happened or tell a lie. If the Main Stream Media tell what really happened. We have a chance to win. I am skeptical, but I am not so sure if a MSM with a dwindling audience can afford to preach instead tell the news.

  • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

    Nice. I’d call that a little too sympathetic to the fascists, but honestly, as hard as these folks tried to make the thugs look reasonable it was like wringing water out of a moist towelette.

    I love how the guy thinks he’ll be “targeted.” For what exactly, criticism? Of the kind he’s leveling at men’s human rights activists?

    Nice bonus to see “MRA” finally used in a mainstream news setting without any scare quotes. It’d be nice to see the “H” stuck in there but what the hell, everyone doesn’t have to use it.

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      “The women are afraid”…then they switch to the Dude who also wanted to bask in the fear/victimhood as well, apparently…

    • Ken

      It would seem that for him “being targeted” is another way of saying “held accountable for the lies I am telling. “

      • Near Earth Object

        I agree.
        I was thinking “responsible”, but accountable captures no less.

        “Targeted” is a loaded word.
        He pulled that trigger.
        What a piece of (insert your personal favorite here).

  • tallwheel

    I’m at work so I’ll have to watch it with the sound when I get home later, but just from watching the video alone it appears they do a lot of contrasting by cutting between the protesters and blurbs of what the speakers were actually saying at the lecture. I can’t think of a better way to illustrate how overreactive and hypocritical those protesters are.

    • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

      Would have been nice if they’d mentioned that the speakers were a woman and a gay man. Oh the irony.

      U of T bigots, you are just too stupid to know you’re the gift that keeps on giving. You’re our very own Westboro Baptist Church.

      • 86

        Is Nathanson out?

        My own “bigotry” in this is that several years ago, when Nathanson and Young first published their studies, I thought “well, two religious scholars … I’m not sure I can attach a lot of significance to what they are saying.”

        His being gay shouldn’t but it does, adds credence to their finding — but that’s pretty much bigotry on my part against religious scholars.

        • http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

          Yeah, he’s out, he mentioned it during his presentation for CAFE, he was asked of men’s advocates were conservative and he said “Well I’m gay, how conservative could I be?”

          He’s also jewish, if that matters to anyone. (Shouldn’t, I don’t think.)

  • Roland3337

    Wow. 2013 is the year of the MHRM.

    • http://salientsight.com/ergot/ Limeywestlake (Neil Westlake)

      Yes, sir, it most certainly is.

  • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

    Intewesting …

    That little fucktard should be required to source whatever flies out of his rapey little mouth, “there was a discussion about justifying rape.. uhh.. and how she was mind-raping him, and thus it’s ok”

    Oh with the rayype card, that train’s never late
    2 + 2 = rayyyype. you stopped paying attention to females long enough to add, that is rayype of female attention entitlement !!!

    Yeah, this is probably the least worst treatment MHRA have received, so progress

    Interesting to see the quintessential product of feminism white privileged princess anchor female wrestle with it.. her face contorting under the palpable cognitive dissonance … “on one hand my sworn allegiance to the ya-ya sisterhood and reaping all of these glorious spoils that come along with such barbaric tribalism, and on the other hand the glaring obvious truth and justice… hmmm… hmmmm.. hmm……………… squirrel! ”

    But I jest, her actual words were decent.

  • Kimski

    A bunch of unsubstantiated lies from the opposition, without a shred of tangible proof.
    The fact that there indeed is a register-her.com, or that the representative from the student union *feels* he will be targeted, adds up to exactly zilch under closer inspection.
    Overall a surprisingly fair presentation, much helped along by the usual behavior from the opponents of free speech.

    • https://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

      Facts and feelings are the same thing to this bunch.

    • STONE

      What I found interesting about the representative of the student union’s response was his implicit admission that he had no real moral compunction about censoring opposing views. His only reason for slight hesitation or doubt was his anticipation of a potential retaliation, as opposed to his moral compass. Very telling!

      • TigerMan

        I’m almost certain the guy was acting – it was typical “threat narrative” stuff to put it in Typhonblue’s terms. He was positing himself as highly vulnerable in order to portray MRA’s as the aggressors. If City News hadn’t shown so much actual footage of how his fellow protesters actually behaved he could have got away with it . When Typhonblue watches that clip I’m certain she will spot this classic ruse right away for what it is – it is textbook radical feminist strategy.

        • STONE

          I think you’re right. He was attempting to apply a threat narrative, but it backfired dismally.

      • https://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

        The only reason to repress speech is if one is afraid for others to hear the message. If the speaker is crazy, violent, or hateful, let them talk and that will be evident in their words and actions. If the speaker is irrational or dishonest, let them talk and then rationally critique them. That’s among the many reasons why free speech and public debate is so important to civil society: it shines a light on the good and the bad.

        So, that’s the deal. They fear the message getting out.

        • STONE

          They are so predictable. They will always do exactly what you would expect someone to do if they know that they have nothing to gain, and everything to lose, from open dialogue and debate.
          Also note the one way flow of traffic away from radical feminist ideology and towards support for men’s rights. The truth can not be unseen, only silenced.

      • Wilf

        I would love to see him being interviewed on live TV by Jeremy Paxman.
        For the benefit of the non-Brits, this is Paxman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsWPQP7qj8

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      How many of those on Register-her have actually experienced any sort of repercussion besides having their jackass antics displayed for all the world to see?

      “I’m afraid of MRA violence” …oh, yes, and “kill all men, hail satan”.

      I wonder what HE thinks “MRA”s might “target” him for? Rape?

      • The Real Peterman

        He doesn’t want to end up like the other people who were victims of MRA violence, like…uh…hm…well there must be some, I just can’t think of any.

      • http://www.genderratic.com Typhonblue (Asha James)

        “It’s only natural for them to be afraid that they’ll eventually reap what they’ve sown.”

        Karmanoia-when you’re paranoid about receiving what you know you deserve.

        • Max Cade

          Karmanoia! An excellent new coinage :-)

        • feeriker

          “Karmanoia” – now that’s a keeper!

          Thanks, TB!

  • http://salientsight.com/ergot/ Limeywestlake (Neil Westlake)

    As Victor Hugo said: “There is nothing greater than an idea whose time has come.”

    • Bewildered

      Yes sir! I agree with him totally!

  • Robert St. Estephe

    The marxist misandrists did a great, great job.

    Never before have I seen a profanity “bleep” that is visual (apparently with lip-reading in mind.

  • Bombay

    The disconnect of the UTSU male stating he feared the MRHM and the demeanor of “his” protesters/supporters versus the civility of the JTO and Dan speaks volumes. The reporters knew this, and are on board IMO. Great job JTO and Dan!

  • scatmaster

    OT:

    Apparently superhero shirts are sexist.

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/grantrants/general/the-stupid-it-burns-superheroes-shirts-are-sexist-edition/

    Open comment thread.

    • Bombay

      I left my comment. LOL.

  • sondjata

    “Agreed. They did nothing to challenge or seek proof of the claim that we were targeting anyone unfairly or promoting violence. That was yellow.” <– This here. The "man" representing the student union basically committed slander. So did the woman who said that people here were advocating violence against those person's named. Personally I think if you guys have a lawyer you should have them contact this news program with corrections as ask that they be mentioned in another broadcast.

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

      Unfortunately, if I went after everyone who lied about AVFM with attorneys, I would need George Soros to finance our legal fund.

      Better to go just go after the lies, which we will.

      • https://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

        Oh come now Paul, we all know you are funded by the big Illuminati bucks, hell-bent on scaring men away from marriage to suit the lizard-people’s agendas.

        • https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Voice-for-Men/102001393188684 Paul Elam

          Yeah, so I hear. I am also Jewish, which I did not know until I was outed as a front for the illuminati lizard people.

          • Kimski

            Wow! That’s quite an honor, right there.
            They don’t usually mingle with everyday people, but tend to stick with heads of state and the likes.

            ;)

  • 86

    All in all, that was a terrific segment, and should be submitted to every social networking site around.

  • onca747

    Ha ha, Big Red is on TV! Although decency laws dictated they bleep out all her shrill commentary.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyboyCdnMRA Dan Perrins

    Well now isn’t this a interesting turn of events.
    Stay the course boys and girls decent reporting like this is sure to bring about Acme Fem & co. push back and they can be fairly nasty about things.

  • Manalysis

    Hi,

    great job.
    The TV people did a number of good things.
    They presented the events as pertaining freedom of speech, i.e. a human rights issue. Subtle underpinning of the AVfM message.
    They introduced AVfM as a men’s rights association, which sounds nice and civil and unthreatening.
    They took pains to point out that the actual UoT disagrees with the student union.
    They did a fine job of juxtaposing the MHR message’s words of “misandry, double standard, victim” with screeching outbursts of hate, even including the november incident to show precedent.
    When talking about “Register her”, they used terms like “outed as bigots”.
    And finally, they rounded up nicely by saying that it is shameful that some people think that men talking about their own issues is “taking away from women”.

    Best of all was all the footage of brownskirts behaving badly. No amount of “yes, but…” will undo the impression of red-headed bullying – not even if people believe that these people have received threats (“that would be just what they had coming, behaving like that”); and certainly not a guy in a classroom talking with a giggle about being targeted. Especially not with the interviewer going “Do you really …??!” in absolutely, instantly discrediting surprise. (They could easily have edited out both his giggle and her response; leaving it in is their way of showing what they think of his statements.)

    Apologies all around, btw … I have a degree in marketing, which otherwise is useless, except that it has left a fascination with the minute details of the craft; and from that perspective: On every level from framing to individual phrases they did a superlative job for AVfM.

    If anyone should feel that the “targeting” issue should be clarified further, there is the Comments field on their home page ( http://tinyurl.com/d6o7cuj or
    http://www.citynews.ca/2013/04/16/the-inside-story-mens-rights-group-causes-controversy-at-u-of-t/).

    One commenter tried a hatchet job, but remains a lone voice. Seems like people are picking up the message allright.

    M.

    • Unregistard

      “red-headed bullying”, I like that.

  • Jay

    Excellent stuff from John The Other. The question remains though, how much worse will our laws get before people actually realise that it’s largely our laws, systems and culture which force men and boys to depression and dropping out of society, rather than anything inherently wrong with men and boys.

    • IrieDave

      I think that that deep realization, if it ever comes, will likely be met with a collective yawn. We’re on our own.

  • Fredrik

    It was interesting to me how they found other footage of JtO and Dannyboy, both in and out of the talk, to go along with the interview. I perceive that they were conscious of building a coherent visual narrative in a minimum amount of airtime.

    I think that you guys did a great job by presenting a consistent look and demeanor in all three contexts. Newscasters today are storytellers first, and you definitely helped them tell a good story.

    The downside to newscaster-as-storyteller is that they have neither the time, nor the skills, nor the inclination to actually check facts. They’re not going to go and compare the references for competing statistical claims to see which has greater validity. Even if they wanted to, they don’t have the scientific and mathematical background to tell the difference.

    The upside is that they’re very predictable. Faced with competing claims by earth scientists and flat-earthers, postmodern journalists’ first instinct would be to show how they’re totally more objective than those radical partisans. They would interview both sides, air the controversy, and wonder aloud if maybe the earth is actually a hemisphere.

    So, every time that you put yourselves out there and attract attention, they’re going to want to show that you’re reasonable, if you let them. They’re also going to want to show that the other side is reasonable — but feminism already has cultural hegemony, while we’re just barely starting to get our word out. I think that in this case, their instincts will work to our advantage.

  • http://www.hermitparkclinic.com.au Greg Canning

    And they outed the 2 most obscene gender bigots of the whole saga, Red and VJ to a greater public audience. Well done.

    Perhaps manboobs will now attack the inside story and the TV network for daring to show footage of the actual events showing the actual feminists responsible for palpable hate (albeit softened by having their foul language beeped out for public consumption.)

    • Kimski

      Titzie is generally not even coherent these days. I’m beginning to suspect he’s drunk or high when he writes, because he’s making even less sense than he used to.
      But that goes for his commenters too, so they probably deserve eachother at some level.

      • Ken

        I took a look (for the first time) at MB-MIMI a couple days ago.

        I was absolutely shocked. His whole site is nothing but lies, misdirection and fabrication. That is nothing new, but, the scale on which he reinterprets things is so massive that I have to wonder if he even reads the articles he writes about.

  • Robert Sides

    As someone who’s been in the MRM trenches some 40 years, I find several things mind-boggling:

    First, hearing Warren Farrell called “controversial.” I’ve known Warren a long, long time. The only criticisms I ever heard about him was that he was too “lefty” and “nice” and “California flakey.” That is, a very UNcontroversial, gentle, polite persona… save for his writing getting ever-more on-target.

    Second, seeing the Great White North become a hotbed of hot-head radicalism. The joke was always that Canada could never defeat the USA because its snowballs would melt long before it reached Florida. That is, it was viewed as a very-very-very polite place. Now it looks like loons have exited lakes to enter academia.

    Third, hearing MRAs being called “rape supporters” and “targeters” of innocent sexist snowflakes. I’m angry, but not surprised, that the reporter didn’t challenge those charges. Per usual, fembots pulled “femifactoids” out of thin air– and their bulbous butts– which media failed to question.

    Fourth, watching “I’m scared” and “I feel uncomfortable” become tools to silence other views. College students are SUPPOSED to feel challenged, having long-held beliefs attacked. It forces them to robustly defend their beliefs or change them. Now, thanks to feminism, we’re to curb talk so the least worldly, most pampered, ill-informed, thin-skinned dolt sets educational parameters.

    Anyway, a great beginning! At this point, it’s ALL about getting AVFM’s name out in mass media.

    Finally, some PR advice: lose sunglasses, beards, and so on when representing groups.

    Shades make spokespeople look…shady. Viewers want to see EYES (do they dart about; look beady; etc.?).

    Beards make it easy for audiences to dismiss words when they seem to come from “hippie-dippies.”

    Of course, MRAs can and will do what they want. I’m just saying “presentation” can affect acceptance of messages. There’s a reason the White House spokesperson doesn’t appear in his underwear on TV.
    And why we tailor our dress and demeanor certain ways for job interviews.

    If the bearded guy (Dannyboy?) had tied his hair in a ponytail, take off his shades, and worn a suit it would have added 50% more to his credibility…not to us, but to the audience that doesn’t know him. Yet.

    • Fredrik

      Upvoted before I got to the PR advice. If someone wants advice on how to present themselves, they probably know someone they can ask privately.

      It can be a very thin line sometimes between constructive criticism and just criticism, and those are two criteria that I would use first: volition and privacy.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyboyCdnMRA Dan Perrins

      Sun in my eyes so would have squinty eyes no matter what, we were facing west at sundown. And people can go piss into the wind if they don’t like my beard. Its mine, its natural, and to judge someone on their appearance is a very bigoted way of seeing things.
      Judging people by their appearance is a feminist thing (men=evil) I don’t play that game. FFS that’s straight out of the femmie shaming language playbook. (beard criticism – neckbeard)
      If it means I don’t have to be in front of the camera no sweat off my sack. Easier to just put up flyers and expose femmie fraudulent papers and such.
      The next monkey faquin suit I’ll be wearing will hopefully be in about 35 yrs while looking up at the grass nestled in my pine box.
      I come from Steel Town, The Hammer, Hamilton Ontario not some effing office building center of banking. My father grew a beard and worked in the steel industry and I have a beard as well.
      I’m an ex blue collar worker and proud of that.
      Yup you got a down vote outta me. I have no problem letting you know who gave you one of them.

      • OneHundredPercentCotton

        I y’am what I y’am and that’s all that I y’am….

        Don’t need no girly-man to take a stand
        for the honest-to-god real man.

        Way to go, JtO
        and Dan – you the man.

      • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F (Ian Williams)

        Danny Boy.

        Lose the beard and get a fucking job. A real job.

        Sunglasses? How about you lose them too and for that matter how about getting a face-lift, but not too much where your ears are kissing each other on the back of head above your pony-tail.

        Smarten up and play the (their) game old boy.

        Not impressed here.

        Your fan.
        The Armchair Anchor.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/Correctrix/videos Correctrix

        The sunglasses were detrimental. They needed to immediately come off. The second priority would then be to insist on an angle that allows you to keep your eyes open. No news team is going to want there to be lighting issues any more than you do.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyboyCdnMRA Dan Perrins

          Correctrix,
          Now that is advice I will take and apply. I admit dealing with the MSM is a new experience for me.
          You as well offered me a viable solution to the problem

          Upvoted you for that.
          Thanks

          • scatmaster

            upvoted her as well.
            Not white knighting but one wonders why someone down voted her constructive advice.

          • Near Earth Object

            scatmaster,

            “…one wonders why someone down voted her constructive advice.”

            Wonder no longer…I down-voted the comment.
            The comment you replied to was composed approximately twenty-four hours after the original comment—cited immediately below.

            “There is a lot of that sort of messenger-shooting here, unfortunately.
            The sunglasses were definitely a PR gaffe.”
            —Correctrix

            Evidently, I was only one of two people, who down-voted that comment as well.

            The entire exchange is—currently—about ten replies south.

            Some folks have light-sensitive eyes (raises hand).
            Many of the most famous people in the world are often seen wearing sunglasses.
            Gaffe? No. Detrimental? No. Crap!
            Wearing sunglasses is not only out of necessity for some folks, but a choice.

            There is nothing inherently wrong in wearing sunglasses, or a beard, or having hair below the earlobes…we are men, not mannequins’!

            In my opinion, nothing of such a superficial nature, as we have seen here, should have detracted from recent events and accomplishments in Ontario.

            And I will cap this reply with a personal story.
            Half my life ago, I entered a west-facing shop, just before sunset. I asked the early-twenties-looking-clerk for the item I was looking for. She insisted, insisted that I take my sunglasses off first. How well do you think that went for her, after I arrested my initial surprise?

      • Lord Highbrow

        Dan Perrins in reply to Robert Sides

        Judging people by their appearance is a feminist thing

        *Not sure if serious*

        Is there nothing that MRA’s won’t blame feminists for? Oh snap! I just used the same criticism against an MRA that MRA’s use against feminists. Mind = blown.

        Unless by ‘feminist’ you meant ‘the human race’. People (both men and women) have been judging other people by their appearance since, well, forever. Robert Sides was right – the sunnies make you look suspicious and the beard makes you look unkempt. You want to keep it, fine, then find someone to stand in front of the camera who is clean shaven and willing to wear a suit.

        When was the last time any one of you who down voted Robert turned up to a job interview in jeans and a t-shirt, with or without a beard? When you present yourselves as MRA’s in front of the camera, you represent ALL MRA’s to an audience that, at best consists of a huge majority who have no idea who you are or what you’re about.

        If you want to be taken seriously, scrub up and do it right (suit and tie, clean shaven, no eyewear (unless prescription glasses), otherwise no one (neither men nor women) is going to take you seriously.

        I had a friend who did a lot of work in animal rights. Now, she is punk as fuck, but even she understood that, when addressing the media, it was important to dress properly, in order to be taken seriously.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyboyCdnMRA Dan Perrins

          Actually I’ve done job interviews with belligerent language and gotten the job.
          Quote;
          “you seem to know fuck all about working in a machine shop”
          My reply;
          “Actually I know fuck all if not even less but I am willing to learn”
          Got the job right then and there. And no I was not in a suit and tie but work clothes.
          The blue collar industry is quite different than the white collar industry.
          Something to ponder.
          Ontario has or at least use to have a booming industrial sector.
          We have Dofasco and Stelco (now named differently due to corporate takeovers) Ford, G.M. and many other auto industry related companies.

          Yes society has been ‘judging people by their looks for a very long time. Feminism just puts its prejudice on a sex instead of a religion or skin colour.
          I’d say the MHRM is working on changing that horse shit.
          And here we have you helping to ensure that prejudging continues.
          If you wish to buy me a suit and tie by all means. I don’t have the money for that. I am on disability FFS.
          Just to ensure me and my hairy son have enough to live on month to month is a chore in of itself.
          Add to that my continued donations of time and supplies (posters, ensuring I have a dog sitter for my hairy son going to these events, etc) to the MHRM and how much money do you think I have at the end of the day?
          You can confirm this with Paul, I have a problem taking money back in return for all that I do.
          My cigars and coffee budget takes a hit every time I am out there doing something promoting for us. I enjoy a beer now and again but that takes second seat to my efforts on YOUR behalf as well as mine.
          There are very few who realize the price I’ve paid since becoming very active in our plight.
          The price has been paid in both material and as well in health terms . Threats from corrupt police who would rather ensure their illegal acts are kept hidden etc. Members of the judiciary saying in open court they ‘don’t give a damn about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms’

          You want to do the job that I do by all means have at it and let me sit there and pick apart your efforts.

          • Near Earth Object

            Just want to drop a few words and let you know that I read your reply.

            Many folks, past and present, have been conditioned to experience feelings of comfort from uniformity. In being unaware of this—asleep to this, many of us have become so removed from our very nature: a unique expression of humanity.

            Thanks for being awake, Dan, and for doing what you do.

        • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F (Ian Williams)

          Lord Highbrow.

          Speaking of suits, your name certainly does.

    • Shrek6

      Whoa Robert Sides, I had to down vote that comment. Sorry, but all the positive stuff went out the window when you started spewing the feminist crap of segregation due to appearances.

      How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
      How did you work out that beards and sunglasses were some outdated dress code of the 1960s?

      I thought that AVfM was an organisation that represented AND included ALL men of different race, colour, creed and facial hair length.

      Mate, if you think we need to pander to the MSM or the loser mouth frothing cows and their poodle men, by being clean shaven and in suits, like the Agents out of The Matrix, then you really need a reality check brother.

      @DannyBoy.
      Mate, I only have 2 criticisms of your beard. It’s not long enough and it ain’t green!

      Keep growing it Brother and don’t change your true self to suit anyone, lest you change your own damn mind!

      • Poester99

        Y’all seem to be coming to the, wrong, conclusion that appearance doesn’t matter when fighting a PR war.

        Feminists are constantly shrieking about the unfairness of women being judged by their physical appearance instead of other, fairer, criteria and it actually is unfair like a lot of stuff in life. The fact remains that, especially on TV, *people* (men and women) are judged, first by their appearance and then later based on what they actually say and do.

        I personally think that Dan’s edgy look is an asset, not a liability, in this day and age.

    • The Real Peterman

      I agree that people should present themselves in a dignified, serious way, but I think Dan did just that. His beard looks fine to me, it makes him appear wise and fatherly. Miss hair-the-color-of-cherry-soda on the other hand… But definitely, if you think you’re going to be seen by a lot of people, present yourself well like Dan and John did.

    • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

      Dan’s beard makes me smile every time I see it. I think Dan’s character and presentation fit him and our movement well, and I wouldn’t have him change it for the world.

    • Jotty

      Talk about shooting the messenger. Apparently pointing out the fact that people will react to and judge you for your appearance (it’s true, whether you like it or not) is a big no-no. Can’t hurt somebody’s feelings by making the audacious suggestion that the general public might not respond as well to their message because of the way they look!

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/MrShadowfax42 MrShadowfax42

        People “react to” and “judge” people just for being men. I accept that, but it certainly doesn’t mean I need to pander to it, nor change myself in order to make idiots feel better about themselves.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/Correctrix/videos Correctrix

        There is a lot of that sort of messenger-shooting here, unfortunately.

        The sunglasses were definitely a PR gaffe.

        • Near Earth Object

          “There is a lot of that sort of messenger-shooting here, unfortunately.”

          What do you mean by “a lot”?
          Would you mind citing a lot of examples—
          to substantiate your allegation?

          “The sunglasses were definitely a PR gaffe.”

          How can you write “gaffe”—blunder, mistake, error, error in judgement, false move, faux pas—a half-dozen replies below Dan’s comment, where he writes “Sun in my eyes so would have squinty eyes no matter what, we were facing west at sundown.”

          How?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/Correctrix/videos Correctrix

            The two downvotes on that very comment are an example of it. Some people on here just hate seeing stuff they don’t like the sound of, even if it’s true, said by an ally, and simply put.

        • Near Earth Object

          C A R

          Crap And Run, Correctrix??

        • Near Earth Object

          One (manufactured?) example does not constitute adequate evidence to support your—false—allegation: “(t)here is a lot of that sort of messenger-shooting here, unfortunately.”

          Your reply reeks of both narcissism and intellectual dishonesty.

          Given your posting history, I do NOT see “an ally” of A Voice for Men.

          You present as a smaller-than-life wooden-shoed ‘Crap and Run’ artist.

          Prove me wrong!

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyboyCdnMRA Dan Perrins

          See above response from me.

  • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

    “A Texas-based website called Voice for Men.”

    Those damn Texans! Good fer nuthin’! :)

    • Ken

      In these troubling times Texas has defined itself as a bastion of hope for the preservation of liberty and common sense.

      This certainly applies to topics dealt with on AVFM, but, it extends well beyond those issues.

      • http://www.wildmanproject.ca BrianC

        Wait, did you just Mess With Texas? Are you mad?

    • Unregistard

      I’ve held a particular disdain for Texas for many years, having lived in San Angelo (’79-’83), there are only two things that keeps me from writing the state off completely, Paul & Zentner’s Daughter Steakhouse.

      • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

        Hey, we also have some damn good BBQ too. The best are the small town shops like Cripple Creek in Athens. Best I’ve ever had.

    • The Real Peterman

      Let me try something:

      The stars at night are big and bright…

    • knightrunner

      Us Tennessee boys taught the Texicans to be proud. ;) Tennessee and Texas have a long history together. Tennessee is known as the volunteer state because of our volunteers going to Texas to fight for independence.

    • Poester99

      A significant portion of Canadians tend to have negative knee-jerk (and frequently baseless) reactions to Americans in this sort of situation.

      That’ll be a big minus to some viewers of the program.

      • Near Earth Object

        May I inquire as to how you arrived at that conclusion?

        • Poester99

          Whether there is such a reaction, or if it is frequently baseless?

          • Near Earth Object

            Both Poe.
            Not sure what you said there.
            And I am Canadian, so it caught my eye.

  • MrStodern

    My desire has long been for men’s and women’s issues to stand side by side, like comrades in arms, moving forward together. That’s it should be.

    To any feminists reading this, you want to know why I don’t count myself among you? Because you constantly show fear of that happening. You don’t want men and women walking together. You don’t want society to acknowledge that neither greatness and wickedness are relegated to one sex or the other. You want this to be a war between men and women.

    I don’t. I want unity. I want fairness. I want accountability for all. Your ideology isn’t the path to those things, so I reject it. You have only yourselves to blame.

    • https://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

      Yeah this is the way I see it as well.

      Some Feminists, when first becoming aware of men’s issues, say “I don’t hate men, and I understand that men deal with many issues, why can’t we just get along?!?!”

      Well, because YOU might be reasonable, compassionate, and equality-minded but your movement is definitely not any of those things. So we’re not going to make any progress within that paradigm.

  • Turbo

    Well, there are certainly things that could have been done better, as have been mentioned, but overall I think that report was very well balanced, and balanced reporting is all we need.

    It clearly shows how completely irrational the demonstrators and the student union are. How they have nothing more to argue than empty rhetoric, ridiculous stories of boogy men planning how to rape women, and perennial false victim-hood. All the while shouting abuse and threatening citizens for attending a lecture.

    On the other hand there is the calm and rational discussions of MHRA’s addressing real issues facing men and boys, such as suicide, homelessness, failing education, family court outcomes, parental alienation, health etc.

    The contrast could not have been more stark, and rational people will see this.

    Good news indeed.

  • http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot.com Suzanne McCarley

    I miss so much fun when I’m at work! Boo Hoo!

    I am simply amazed at this fairly unbiased report. I don’t remember the last time I saw journalism of that caliber. Yes, Paul, a LOT of people are getting nervous about now, and rightly so.

    We are a fully loaded train and we are plowing through barriers; we won’t be stopped.

    • August Løvenskiolds

      I can’t wait for Bozofem & her Crewd to start protesting the TV Station.

      • The Real Peterman

        Haha “Bozofem”!

    • JedaChz

      Same here Suzanne, for one thing the last interview didn’t turn out the same. Also maybe some journalists can feel a wind of change, notice that MHRM is here to stay and see a potential to make ‘news'; after all the whole MHRM philosophy/red pill will be new to some, and the arguments are indisputably solid enough to at least deserve civil debates. Still fair-play to Avery here! Now, I’m curious to how feminist media (i.e. Jezebel) will react to this 5min spot, assuming they do, and I hope they do!

      • Poester99

        Seems that Avery Haines takes her Journalistic ethics more seriously than maintaining Feminist bonfides.

        Two thumbs up for balanced reporting!

        lol.. her Wikipedia entry shows a picture of her father… and his nice big beard!

        For the record, I am Canadian, and there are many of us here.

  • http://salientsight.com/ergot/ Limeywestlake (Neil Westlake)

    I have to say that I think that “register her” should become a general misandrists registry for both men and women. Moreover, that ass-wipe child abuser Zach Rosenberg should be in there, too.

  • lancelot

    Beautiful!

    They may not have gotten all the details out, true. But what they did air was a bunch of hateful, abusive speech coming from a camp that supposedly prides itself on inclusivity, open dialogue, and equality.

    That speaks volumes. Kudos to the excellent work being done by all of you here and in the MRA community on campus.

  • Mr. Sinatra

    This is just awesome. It’s wonderful to see the MSM actually do a fair report on what was going on at the UofT.

    While I would have liked them to be a lot clearer that Register Her is just for pointing out the charlatans for what they are, and not to be targeted for violence, which it seemed like they were applying.

    That kid who stalled before saying that he felt threatened that he’d “be targeted” was rather laughable. You could see that he was making a calculated risk there to keep his position.

    Now it’d be even better if bigger news outlets would start picking up stuff like this now.
    Mens Rights can no longer be denied. If they are, then it’s time to bust out the popcorn to see society collapse underneath its own cum stuffed bullshit.
    (Was that too much? I never know.)

    • Ken

      “While I would have liked them to be a lot clearer that Register Her is just for pointing out the charlatans for what they are, and not to be targeted for violence, which it seemed like they were applying.”

      I would have liked to see this as well. The feminist lie that “Register-Her” is somehow advocating violence against anyone is wholly false. Giving the misleading statements about the site airtime without reporting that it was a fem-fabricated lie seems a little unfair…..

      Even so, I am really glad that the “Register-Her”site was mentioned. People who support feminism on its face, without looking at the facts, may go to “Register-Her”.

      They may be going there for all the wrong reasons……..

      …………….but they are going there……

      “Register-Her” needs no defense, it stands upright on its own laurels……..

      Whatever it is that compels people to view “Register-Her”, I predict a lot of them will leave there with red pills in their future.

      • OneHundredPercentCotton

        I don’t know – showing Register-her as bigots – then clearly proving it with the “kill all men. Hail Satan” tweet couldn’t have made a more profound impact.

        • Ken

          The whole presentation will hopefully have an impact.

          The “kill all men. Hail Satan” tweet was not an allegation of any kind, they simply reported what she said.

          The statements about “Register-Her” were not reflective of reality and were entirely fabricated. I think that it would have been nice if there was a direct response to the threat allegations.

          Even so, all “Register-Her” needs is exposure in order to be vindicated from the lies. So any traffic it gets, for any reason, is a good thing IMO.

  • napocapo69

    a sign of hope

  • Neapals

    I would love for them to point out ANYWHERE on this sight where we advocate or condone violence of any sort. I have been (normally) silently observing this sight for years. Paul was the first MRA I had found on youtube about 3 years ago when I first started to seriously question feminism. One of the reasons I really respected Paul was because of his stance of non-violent advocacy and his intolerance of people who do condone or advocate it. So it really irks me when they slander the sight like that. That being said, Way to go guys. The message is really getting out there. Keep up the good work.

  • 86

    I haven’t been around a college campus in 20 years, but what would it take to get the Chronicle of Higher Education, http://chronicle.com to cover the U of T story?

    It may be useful to contact a reporter there and find out what would make this story Chronicle worthy because the Chronicle has some huge visibility with reporters at other papers.

    (Similar question: National Journal, or Canadian newspapers.)

  • http://feministink@facebook.com Joel

    So, AVfM. Where oh where are the trolls? Not that they are welcome but at the many feminsts sites that I visit/troll, I often find myself in good company. Yet here, I never see trolls.
    I would love to have the chance to post a few factoids to a visiting troll here at AVfM. So the question is, does AVfM delete troll posts or are there simply no trolls brazen enough to set foot on these hallowed grounds?
    The fact that I never see oposing pov here yet always see them on feminists sites has me scratching my head. Are Femmies to bereft of intellectual integrity to troll an MHRA site or does AVfM take care of it before they get that far?
    I am not accusing AVfM of censorship. My question s more of a quandry realy. Where are the feminsts trolls here?
    I have six different FaceBook accounts that I use just so I can troll feminist sites yet I never see femies doing the same here at AVfM.
    My latest is “feministink”. Only one letter off from the feminists “feministing”. I even se the same logo but with a bit of photoshop. All in good fun, of course.

    • Turbo

      “Are Femmies to bereft of intellectual integrity to troll an MHRA site”

      Yes, they are.

    • http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot.com Suzanne McCarley

      They show up occasionally, then promptly turn tail and run for the hills in the face of cold logic and hard facts. We don’t have to delete their comments; they are simply incapable of rational discussion. They never gain even a toehold. They are accustomed to arguing with people who, like them, are emotional and/or ideological, and who have a “weakness” that can be exploited.

      There are no chinks in the armor worn by the truth. They can’t handle that.

    • Andy Bob

      Mr Joel, you must be new.

      Otherwise you would know that no feminist troll has ever survived incineration from Dr Elam’s laser-deadly glare as they stumble haplessly into his House of Pain – except for those he puts aside to sprinkle over the kitten sammiches Tyhon Blu prepares, very carefully, for his morning tea.

      The truth is, feminist trolls aren’t very bright. They are soon spotted by their inability to hide their sneering hatred of men. The stench of their bigotry always finds its way to the surface, usually through comments supporting a utilitarian view of men. As they don’t really understand this concept, they find it impossible to disguise.

      Keep in mind that trolls like to employ standard feminist tactics, such as oil-slicking and straw-manning. That’s what makes them so easy to spot. There’s always something a bit ‘off’ about their take on things. Their fetid misandry betrays them again and again. Look at the feminists portrayed in ‘The Inside Story’.

      • http://feministink@facebook.com Joel

        I am not quite new to AVfM. I have been reading here everyday for over a year. AVfM is in fact, my home page. It is the very first thing that I see when I boot up.
        I dont however, often read the comments on the articles. I find that reading comment after comment that I agree with is not very intellectually stimulating.
        I prefer visiting feminist sites and throwing bombs. Way more fun.
        Having said that, I am suprised that I have never seen any comments from feminists in these threads. But as I have stated. I dont actually read the comments very often. Perhaps if I spent more time in the section below the articles I would catch the occasional flash of a femmie drive by.

        • Sting Chameleon

          The feminists must have realized that poking their noses here is just shooting themselves in the foot, for they will not be able to elicit an angry/overemotional response from the audience in here. Oh, and they don’t like getting counter-trolled either.

    • Ken

      I think they would seek to dilute the excellent and very important message that AVFM is spreading throughout our world.

      I have never seen any of the AVFM staff shrink from actual discussion on any topic, however, feminists generally don’t attempt conversation, they simply spew rhetoric, dismiss any response citing patriarchy and then circle back to where they started.

      Nothing ever comes of that type of discourse and I for one am appreciative that a space where that drivel doesn’t contaminate constructive communication exists.

      • http://feministink@facebook.com Joel

        “feminists generally don’t attempt conversation, they simply spew rhetoric, dismiss any response citing patriarchy and then circle back to where they started.”

        Excellent statement. So true.

    • OneHundredPercentCotton

      Apparently you don’t read AVfM as much as you imply.

      There certainly are female trolls showing up – oftentimes displaying cleavage while applying their cleaver.

      Most beat a hasty retreat. There’s no referee around to make the boys play nice and pretend their “truth” is THE truth.

    • Near Earth Object

      Just a suggestion, Joel…

      Perhaps if you spent a little less time with your six FaceBook accounts and a little more time at A Voice for Men, you would see the “trolls”.

      In fact, I Guarantee It!

      So what do you say, Joel?

      “So the question is, does AVfM delete troll posts or are there simply no trolls brazen enough to set foot on these hallowed grounds?”

      This space reserved for Joel answering his own question:
      _____________________________________________

  • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

    You know something is in the air when you see headlines like this on Hardcore Female Worship outlets:

    6 Signs Your Marriage Is Rock Solid
    HefferPo

  • Bewildered

    “There are but two roads that lead to an important goal and to the doing of great things: strength and perseverance. Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.”

    ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    Left! Left ! Left! Right! Left! …. Forward march Left! Right !….
    It’s FTSU times folks !

    • Ken

      +1 for quoting Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

      He is an outstanding writer and an exceptional poet.

      “Faust, the Roman Elegies” would be an excellent read for Zach Rosenberg.

  • James Williams

    Surprisingly great delivery from the MSM. I liked the woman presenter at the end of the piece stating some of the issues that mena and boys face and saying that it’s a shame they cannot be discussed without being regarded as taking something away from women. Isn’t that what AVFM is about?

  • JFinn

    We’re eventually going to tear the left into 2 camps. I don’t like our chances in most battles today. However, looking at the past 400 years, I can surmise 2 things. We’ll never stop fighting and we’ll eventually win the war. It’s the same old story. One camp simply calls for equality. The other camp has to work hard to try to convince everyone that the first camp has a diabolic agenda.

    • Kosh

      Wow… I never thought I’d live to see the say when Bill O’Reilly, of all people, actually said something sane and rational.

  • http://pinterest.com/zetapersei/male-privilege/ Perseus

    Has anybody seen this one?

    Hideously gynocentric, female victimhood and hypoagency every which way to Sunday and belligerently misandric, but nonetheless an interesting read of the tea leaves..?

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyboyCdnMRA Dan Perrins

      Yup.
      But twas before I wuz ritein thins.
      ;)

    • Kimski

      “So I think we shot ourselves in the foot on that one.”

      Try cutting off both legs and arms, while hugely devaluating your personalities at the same time.
      She doesn’t seem to get that being beautiful and sexually attractive just don’t cut it, when you’ve spent the last decade spreading legs for every man who met your inflated standards, and have obtained a personality to match the pursuers of the profession you’d normally associate with that kind of behavior.
      -And for what?
      -A subsequent courtrape for the husband, the first time you don’t agree with him?
      No, thanks, ma’am. There has to be something better in life, than becoming another number in the divorce statistics.

      She doesn’t want to dismiss feminism completely.
      She wants to fix it, so it works.
      *Shudders*

  • Ken

    WoW! This is welcome news!

    As has become my habit of late I clicked onto AVFM with my morning coffee. I read the article about Zach Rosenberg waging psychological warfare against his son to score brownie points with the GMP and I had an intense nausea creeping over me.

    I am still sickened by Mr Rosenbergs story, but, this story makes me feel like there is still hope for Mr Rosenbergs son, and all the children in our lives.

    Thank You for this one, I needed it.

  • OneHundredPercentCotton

    We’re gonna name names because naming names online is “hate” only when THEY do it.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com Dr. F (Ian Williams)

    We knew this day would come, and then again we know of Christmas or a good mate’s birthday too.

    The Union of nay-sayers have fewer and fewer straws to clasp at as we chip away the crust of lies they have pasted all over town. See how they tell whoppers about how they are afraid of us. How they fear for their well being?

    None of us have ever posted ideas of retribution in the form of violence and citation to them is a plague best avoided. Perhaps they confuse their own fear of de-cloaking with the fear of well, perhaps and just maybe we poor bastards might have a case after all?

    Good luck to them as they plug the holes in the dyke. They are needing more and more volunteers with fifty fingers a hand to keep their silting shores dry.

    Major home run and you can bet all you got that this is the thinnest slice of the fattest wedge to come.

    Bloody good on yer the lot of us.

  • Unregistard

    When AVfM announced the MHRM I called it a historic moment. Once again I think we have witnessed a historic moment for the MHRM. “Big Red” is that historic moment and it is thanks to the brave activists from AVfM.

    JtO, Dan, Paul, GWW, TB, DrT, WB, Dean, Tungsten, (and everyone else involved that I’m forgetting) you have pushed farther and made real progress while FATs (like he-who-shall-not-be-named-33) are still working off the script from 6 years ago.

    Hats off.

    Let’s hope NCFM’s efforts in court pay off as well.

  • donzaloog

    I’m very glad to see the MHRM gaining ground in the media. And to the poor ignorant girl who was calling out this website for naming the bigots at the Dr. Farrell protest, it’s obvious she’s never been to the site and is only parroting what she heard from other feminists.

    If I recall correctly, they were named because they became violent or called for violence against MHRAs and men in general. She said that we said, “We hope they get what’s coming to them” in a way that implied that we wished violence or retribution on the bigots. No official member of this site has called for violence against women (or anyone else) and if they did, Paul made it clear they would be cut from the site.

  • The Real Peterman

    Hey everybody, stop calling for violence against feminists!

    Sheesh.

  • The Real Peterman

    “free speech ends when hate speech begins”

    Of course that’s total nonsense. The law says that truly hateful people like the KKK or neo Nazis have the right to speak out. I would ask this guy “under your system who defines what is hate speech?” Maybe he’ll be the next one defined as “hateful” and banned–then he’ll sing a different tune.

    • https://twitter.com/MarkTrueblood Mark Trueblood

      “free speech ends when hate speech begins”

      This attitude is incredibly destructive to human rights and civil society. Free speech not only gives a plurality of well-intentioned people a voice, it also lets us shine a light on the nastiness.

  • http://jmnzz.wordpress.com Jared White

    “Battle of the sexes”

    Oh how they love their soundbites.

    I liked the ending though where she said it’s shameful for people to consider advocating for positive solutions to male issues as somehow taking away from women.

    • Bewildered

      The famous zero sum game of the feminists.
      They fear whatever rights men achieve will necessarily be at their cost !

  • http://commonmanmedia.blogspot.com TCM

    As a matter of perspective, this is a classic case of new media influencing – indeed reinventing – old media. It’s also great advertisement for AVFM.

    Some MHRAs may disagree about Register-Her. But really the Feminist hysteria and overreaction to RH has provided AVFM with some excellent inroads to popular media outlets. It’s a win-win for us. And the best part is, while there’s not a damn thing Feminists can do about a voice for men finally being heard, they just can’t resist the temptation to try to silence and lie about us, which only comes back to harm them.

    So long as we keep doing what we are doing it’s just going to be a vicious cycle of them shooting themselves in the foot over and over again. So long as we keep doing what we are doing.