All the hoopla that a few pieces of paper has caused in the Australian media continues to grow. Last night I was contacted by Stephen Drill of the Herald Sun. Stephen is clearly a seasoned member of the mainstream media, as is evidenced by the email exchanges I had with him which included questions with a degree of incisiveness that could only come from a seasoned mainstream reporter.
Since we didn’t set any terms on where the interview would actually appear, I figured it was best to bring it to you here, in its entirety, complete with the email exchanges to give you some background on how the interview developed.
First contact:
Name: Stephen Drill
Email: drills@heraldsun.com.au
Message: Hi Paul,
I am a reporter from the Herald Sun and I am doing a story on your website. Can you give me a call on 0432 201 139 or respond to the following questions via email.
1. Why did you set up this website?
2. Are you surprised that women have found the website offensive?
I would also like to get a photograph of you today for the story we are running in tomorrow’s paper.
Please give me a call.
Regards
Stephen Drill
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My response:
That’s it, Stephen? That’s your entire line of questioning? Well, I suppose I should be grateful that you are clear up front that this isn’t really journalism as much as a fishing trip for whatever it is you have already decided to cook up.
But tell you what, I will answer your questions anyway. I’ll even send you a pic.
“Question” one:
My answer, of course, is available on the website:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism-page/paul-elam/
“Question” two:
Ask one of the many women who support the site financially, contribute some of our best articles and host our online radio programs.
Kind regards, and feel free to make contact again if you are ever serious about reporting on what we are doing.
Paul Elam
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Apparently, Mr. Drill had more than two questions after all. He sent the following in response:
Hi Paul,
Thanks for replying. Can you send me your number? I would [like] to interview you about this issue.
Regards
Stephen
Which was immediately followed by another email:
Also, do you have a number for [name withheld]? He’s been putting up the posters in Melbourne and I would like to have a chat to him.
Regards
Stephen
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My reply:
Sorry, I have to pass on both. I don’t have [name withheld] phone number, and Air Force One is on television right now. I have seen it four times but it is a really good movie.
Maybe next time.
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Stephen replies a last time:
Hi Paul,
That’s having it both ways, you are criticising me for not asking enough questions and then refusing to call me to do an interview.
How about replying to these questions.
Did you encourage Frank [name withheld] to put up the posters at Monash University?
How many women do you have as paid supporters of your website?
Do you agree with the statement in one of the articles on the website, which says Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.’?
Do women have an unfair advantage in the legal system?
Do you hate women?
Are you single? Have you been divorced and been refused access to your children?
Regards
Stephen Drill
Herald Sun
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Now see? I told you he was a sharpie. He really nailed me on the number of questions thing. Well, I suppose if he could have made one of his first two questions anything other than myopic and transparent attempts at a setup, I would have likely warmed up a little more. But he does have a bit of a point, so I have decided follow through with the interview here at AVfM, for the entertainment of our readers, with thanks to Stephen for his time and effort.
Did you encourage [name withheld] to put up the posters at Monash University?
Yes, I encourage thousands of people every day through articles on this website to put up posters. In fact, I encourage you right now to go to our “posters” page and download some so you can put them up where you work. Of course, the fact that you are an adult with free will may put somewhat of a kink in my plans to get you to do it.
And a side note to those of you here for the first time. Please feel free to print out posters from the poster page above and post them around the nearest college or university.
How many women do you have as paid supporters of your website?
I don’t have to pay them anything to support my website. They all do it for free.
Do you agree with the statement in one of the articles on the website, which says Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.’?
You mean the article with my name on the byline? Well, yes, Stephen, I pretty much agree with everything I write. Do you even remember a time when you could say the same?
(oh, and for readers confused by Drill’s reductionist fishing trip, here is the article. It will give you the context that Mr. Drill would prefer you not see.)
Do women have an unfair advantage in the legal system?
Only when they are in court for anything.
Do you hate women?
Do you molest children? Oh, hell, sorry Stephen. I really should not have asked you that kind of inflammatory question without prefacing it with at least a tiny bit of evidence. Not very professional of me, I’m afraid. Good thing I am not a reporter for a mainstream outlet, eh?
Are you single? Have you been divorced and been refused access to your children?
With the same partner for 10 years. Oh, and for follow up on your earlier question, I just asked her if she thought I hated her. She said, and I quote, “I don’t think so.” The same seems to be true for the three different radio hosts on AVfM shows who are female, as well as the female writers here and site supporters. None of them think I hate them either, as far as I know.
As to divorce, yes. I hear tell it has happened to other men who don’t hate women. I have never been refused access to a child, and since the internet, the truth is also very much accessible.
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Yep and he asked me these. I quote.
1. How long have you been a men’s activist?
2. Why have you have been putting up posters at Monash Univesity and around the law courts? Did you want to spark a debate about this issue?
3. One of the articles on A Voice for Men states Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.’ Do you agree with that view?
4. Have you personally been treated badly by women? Are you a father who has no access to children or have you been falsely accused of rape?
5. What is your response to criticism of A Voice For Men from women’s groups. Do you think they are wrong to complain about the statement on the website that women are “half the problem in domestic violence”? That’s all the questions. Happy to take any other responses.
In addition he was very pushy in wanting my phone number, address and place of employment!
Stephen Drill suggested an interview at my home, but when I joked that an MRM film crew would be present he changed his mind.
It may be worth calling another local paper and giving them a story. They’re usually desperate for content, and papers love controversy.
Write up a paragraph or two about how prejudiced the Herald is, and send it to another paper. Ask for an interview with them, and make it clear that you expect an honest account. Tell them you’re recording it for later use on blogtalkradio.
They might bite. Or they might not. If they don’t, no harm done. If they do, it’s an opportunity to spin the situation into something positive.
No these guys stick together.
Lmao Karma sweet move about the MRM vid crew being there to record the whole thing.
Again the femmie faction playing checkers in this game of chess.
Cheers!
And it would have been a 50/50 crew (the men doing the filming and questions and the women serving the tea/coffee and scones lol – remember tongue in cheek humour from me). Oh how I wished I had been sent those questions. The nerve of that idiot reporter. Honestly, is he for real in asking such things… Well the word is now out… AVFM is really making its mark in the world and I am loving it
YES.. the Newspaper article is up and running – Here is the title: Website that supports rapists branded ‘disgusting is the name of the article that has been written by you know who reporter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/website-that-supports-rapists-branded-disgusting/story-fnat7jnn-1226457731237 … and Mr Frank Spencer… you are famous lol
and the last sentence (total joke) Jess Boccia, of women’s group Reclaim the Night, said the website was disgusting “especially when it’s so hard for women and children to report rape”. – yep hard to claim TRUE rape is what she should have said.
Copy/paste, please??
I’m not signing up to that site…
Brilliant assertive answers Paul. I think it is a very wise way to deal with the media that is coming in with agendas…to make it dangerous waters for them to swim in in terms of exposure of their bias and dishonesty. Recording them and filming them making an interview is absolutely warranted and FairPlay. If they are interviewing in your home, I don’t believe you even need to let them know you are recording them. Set up your own cameras and record them from the moment they come in. Wait for their interview to air and let them show their bias – then expose that bias (and possibly defamation) for maximum effect.
As far as I know, Stephen Drill has not even once denied that he is an anti-Semite. Shocking!
Oh (as I say with my face in my palm), I actually thought we had many ‘men’ in this country. How come it seems that there are so many ‘Girlie Mans’ out there, who so stupidly put up garbage like this, I’ll never know.
How can this clown not even realise that his stupid questions are an obvious set up so that he can paint you guys as nothing more than just angry little men who have an axe to grind against women.
I could think of some other negative response to use here, but my fingers just can’t be bothered doing the typing.
Great interviews chaps. Sounds like this story is cranking up and the Chinese Whisper is gaining momentum. Soon, you will both be labeled as wife bashers, paedophiles and convicted rapists.
So, what else is new!
Of course some women will find this website offensive – the misandrist, hateful, lying, statistic manipulating ones out there. The ones that pretend and say they believe in equality, while doing everything possible to destroy and leave men and boys with zero human rights. The ones who believe in gender supremacy. The ones who believe that if someone is born with external genitals then that person does not matter, and the pain and suffering inflicted upon a person with external genitals does not matter. Plenty of men who are also misandrists as well.
Thanks for sharing this Paul. We can all guess the usual mainstream boy hating media story that will result.
Only if you are a feminists and dont like to know the REAL thruth. That are the women who wont like this.
Well, not even a little impressed by this journalist or his objectiveness.
And, I love the fact that he asks ‘have you ever PERSONALLY been screwed over by a woman?’ As if to care about human rights you have to have actually been burned. Not even to mention the fact that asking if someone is single in such circumstances is a horrid presumption of guilt or sociopathic behaviour. Clearly, it shows me he’s saturated with that ‘cultural expectation’ that if you’re not willing to be treated like a dog no one will let you in the house.
It goes a step further really. Who the hell reaches the age of adulthood, let alone middle age, without having some experience where you feel burned by a relationship with a member of the opposite sex? 1% of the population, maybe? So the automatic answer that almost any adult human being is going to have to that question is “yes.”
“Have you ever eaten a meal that made you sick? Do you hate food?” Same logic.
Try the opposite. Have you ever been sexually attracted to a woman? Potential RAPIST!
It’s a “damned-if-you-do,damned-if-you-don’t question: If you answer affirmatively, they’ll simply disregard you as a “damaged, bitter person who’s letting his pain cloud his judgement”, if you answer negatively, you’ll be told the “what does it matter to you then? claptrap”
In my opinion, they (journalists) never ask the right questions. Here are some questions every journalist should ask him/her self, before ever doing an interview about any feminist related issue, then publish the results:
# Please explain why gender feminism is a hate movement.
# What makes journalism (American and foreign) so biased, when it comes to telling the truth about gender feminism?
# Why do journalists (American and foreign) think that the words “feminism” and “women” are synonymous? That’s stereotyping and prejudice. Why is such prejudice and hate directed at women by journalists?
# Why do journalists (American and foreign) not understand that words of the Declaration of Independence (relevant section quoted below) are words most MRA’s live by (at least in America), including their application to jury duty, and/or, jury nulification:
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations [gender feminism], pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. “
# What part of “We the people,” not “We the judges,” or “We the feminists” do journalists (American and foreign) not understand as specifying the ultimate authority in American government?
# Americans have a long history of opposition to vile, lying, scamming tyrants like feminists, and some oppressed people (American and foreign) look at opposition to tyrants like feminists as righteousness. Many others find that opposition to tyrants like feminists inspiring. What part of that do journalists (American and foreign) not understand?
# Gender feminism, following its prejudiced, hateful, and outright fraudulent model of “gender based violence” has a long history of witch-hunting males so why, oh why, are journalists (American and foreign) so addled that they never seem to grasp the magnitude of that ongoing witch-hunt?
“Witch-Hunting Males” at Youtube – http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu
Yes, misandrist (gender feminist sympathizing) journalists (American and foreign) are as big a part of this story as anything else so go do your research on that, Mr./Ms. Journalist(s), and publish it. :-/
Excellent work there, Paul.
This is the best part of the whole show so far. Greg Canning’s “you’re a waste of time but thank you for your time” radio show was also amusing. Won’t be long now before this game gets really interesting.
And what an ironic name…Drill’s is.
Looks like a press office might be useful so that these snakes can be directed straight to ‘Air Force One’ the moment they start to get agitated. A set of publicly stated conditions before initiating contact might also be helpful for the snakes…who obviously need all the help they can get. And, of course, recording every single interaction goes without saying.
Well played Paul. Priceless, in fact.
Respect.
Hey Paul,
Mate, I reckon you will soon be getting a letter from Dr. Phil. Too bloody right Mate!
I reckon he is gonna want to find out all about this AVfM site, the poster campaign, why you reckon half the girls ask to be smacked in the chops, and why it is you would let a rapist go free if you were on jury duty.
Yep, I can just see old Phil buddy typing out the email right now.
I will be happy to go on Phil’s wonderful show. All he has to do is allow a fellow MRA to videotape the whole thing from the sideline.
Yes. Very smart. Don’t let them have the sole recording of the whole thing. They will warp, twist, and edit it so badly.
Reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons where the reporters interview him and later on the TV they show the interview and the clock behind him is jumping around all over the place after every word lol.
Oh what a wonderful spectacle that would make..
That would be one show I would love to see, even though I can’t normally stomach watching that blokes show.
i can get behind that. being a guest does not mean hostage. words can speak for themselves. clever(not really) editing is for political party bash ads, not for discussions. hell, with proper, complete, unedited coverage, people will often fuck their own shit up.
You do realise Dr T will be arm wrestling you for the “privelage” of going on Dr Phil’s show….
(KH opens a book on how long the arm wrestle will last and who will win)
A fiver on Dr T.
LOL
Whoa, dude! lol
Considering the female hierarchy thing we discussed earlier, she would have to be escorted away from that show in an armored truck, and under surveillance of some seriously armed soldiers, if that happens.
Bomb threats is not a new phenomena within feminism, as you well know.
Nah, I’m a pacifist and I only take on worthy opponents and only if there is no other recourse.
Meanwhile, I am patiently awaiting my Viking helmet and breastplate emblazoned with my sigil, the Snarling Honey Badger of House Honey Badger ; D
And, Paul, between this “interview” (i.e. fishing/cherry picking expedition) and the minutes from the Monash WhACksters, I’ve been laughing myself silly all morning.
Pooh! Here was my chance to make some money by a scheme of split betting…
Is your theme music going to be “Flight of the honey (badger)?” or “Ride of the Vakleries (on a honey badger)”
Well kiwihelen, according to Mr. Drills, you already make money from your support of men’s rights. What more could you want?
@Lee
(Facepalm moment), you’ve helped me work out why I get all these coins out of the washing machine I am chained to doing the laundry as a brainwashed slave of the MRM.
Another 20 years of this and I will be able to afford me a pretty dress to please all you fellas!
Flight of the Valkyries, Helen. Definitely.
Kiwi sheila,
You are quite the lovely lass. We love you as do we our very own Dr. T. However.
Girl muscles are no bloody good with most stuff, except for holding trays with food on them or switching buttons on white goods and stuff.
Seriously mate, forget this arm wrestling nonsense and keep doing your tricks in the kitchen with making the best damned sandwich that quite frankly we can all enjoy eh?
We chop the wood, and you lot keep us warm at night and say nice stuff in our ears as we go to sleep.
You wanna buck the system and use your brain and hunt deer and get all those feminists all warm and gooey do you?
No, of course not. Case closed.
P.S.
And now I am going to reply to Paul regarding this matter about the arm wrestling fiasco.
Dear Dr F,
Okeydoke, I will make sandwiches, and I promise to go lite on the E.coli in yours.
Actually, to quote the nephews on why you might want to avoid me making the sandwiches…
“Oh no, Auntie KH has made the sandwiches…they’ve got loads of vegetable things in them.”
Hey Paul, (giggle)
I just made a post to that NZ chick about the arm wrestling contest.
Ha ha, I mean what a joke. I told her to ‘forget’ about the arm wrestling contest between you and Dr. T and I reckon she fell for it. Yep, she actually thinks I tried to dissuade Dr. T and you know something? Dr. T will read that post and go all ‘girly’ and want all the more to try to beat you in an arm wrestle. Yeah mate, I am serious. Watch out for her angry acceptance of the contest.
Please tell me that when you and her have the competition you will pretend she is winning and then at the last moment, “WHAM” slap that sheila-wrist to the table.
God they are so cute with their girly muscles and sandwich making ways. (sigh)
P.S.
I mentioned the sammich thing to experience the flush of the hyperointensive masculinist state to promote vehemently the patriarchal discourse for furtherance of the initiated state of diaphragmatic flutterance we call “laughter”.
Actually, I think the only way to settle any of this is with mud wrestling for sammiches.
That was the only thing I was wondering: I would have taken this guy’s call, but only because I’m set up to record conversations if I want to and I’d start by saying “I’ll be recording this and placing it along with a transcript online once we’re done, if that’s OK with you.” And then I would do that very thing.
I’d give my right arm to be in that audience.
I would love to see Paul take on Dr. Phraud.
It did my heart a lot of good to see this Guest lay the smack down on that motherfucker Phil.
Dr. Phil Guest Starts Trouble During Commercial Break
“Sorry, I have to pass on both. I don’t have [name withheld] phone number, and Air Force One is on television right now. I have seen it four times but it is a really good movie.”
I got a very good laugh out of this one. A very excellent response. Paul knows the mainstream media will set us up for failure. As is the case in education, family court, and virtually any other institution, if the individuals in question aren’t misandric by nature, far too often their careerism will get the better of them. In the case of the mainstream media, they have an audience to appease or inflame, and they know that everyone needs a bad guy.
If we refuse to cooperate with the mainstream media where we know or have a good idea that it will burn us, people are forced to come here to learn about us on our terms, and hear us through our own language, rather than the warped mouthpieces of the MSM.
Good on you Paul. Proud to be on the same side. I’m glad you get it.
For benefit of others who might be swayed, never ever make the mistake that the mainstream media is serious about getting your side of the story. They’re out to get ya. You’re a threat to their livelihood and what they “stand for” (which is themselves). Especially the Australian media.
I will say I have had both positive and negative experiences with the press in the past, on other ssues. Sometimes they slime you and sometimes they don’t. Thing is you can’t know. If I were to talk to any of these guys I’d insist on recording it and putting it online. They don’t have to like it but that’d be my precondition to any conversation.
WTF, why do journalists like Stephen want to malign women who support this site? Does he see us as Stockholmers wanting a daily beating from woman-hater Paul Elam? Spare me, and Paul your misogynist fantasy.
I’ve been a supporter of this site for two years and can see myself supporting this until human rights are won for all.
TT, Didn’t you know we are all brainwashed????
And we all have “Mommie” issues.
I’m more than a bit disgusted that he thinks we might need to get paid to participate. I wonder how many hours of unpaid work he does for his community…there is this thing called “compassion” that drives some of us more than money does!
PAID supporters? What, is he presuming us to be prostitutes?
Women have to be PAID to support the inherent rights of their sons?
What depth of contempt does THIS guy have for women?
Yeah…
I don’t have children but I’ve got all kinds of important men in my life. I am scared for my nephews growing up in this misandry filled world.
I meant “sons” in a univeral way – those innocents facing a throughly stacked deck.
PHPC -
Hold on there! We are the ones who hate women, remember?
I don’t consider any man that presumes I would have to be PAID to support a moral cause, just because it is not directly beneficial to my own my own selfish interests, is no friend of mine.
Nice try, though. I’m sure a LOT of women fall for it.
Feminism is indistinguishable from capitalism in the way it calls for commodification of all relationships entered into by women. Feminism demands capital in the form of goods or money in return for being a wife, being a girlfreind, being a mother, being a woman, being a sexual partner, and yes even being a website supporter. Is it any wonder our feminism-supporting journalist is asking how much money women get paid to chat here?
Correct, feminism is vagina capitalism.
Well stated.
That’s it Helen, human compassion is the drive. Is also the reason I occasionally donate money to this website and to GirlWritesWhat. PS. love your posts, you always give me a new perspective on things
A daily beating from Paul Elam lol.
Come on, you know you want it.
Just couldn’t help it.
Yes, feminists and manginas think that women who aren’t like them are brainwashed morons. In fact, they think that women who like, or want anything that they don’t want them to like, or want, are traitors. You aren’t allowed to be strong, and brush off anything that they tell you should cause you massive trauma. You must be a weak and pathetic victim, who cries and whines over every little thing.
Lol
I’ve brushed off pretty much everything they have told me so I must be a walking trauma zone. How strange I feel free of trauma and liberated, that delusion of a Zeta humanitarian girl.
Yay! Zetas rock!
(KH gives TT a Honey Badger handshake)
Ha, she said Zeta humanitarian girl. Why am I touched by that?
Yes, I know, shiny new thing.. let a brotha roll..
It’s Twilight on the feminist front.
There is a new girl in town. Her name is Zeta.
Her arrival spells the beginning of the end of feminism.
They think they are right-wing traditionalists. Women are the most hardcore right-wing traditionalists.
Two years and not a peep until now I believe lol.
So, what was it that compelled you to show yourself I wonder?
I’m quite sure we have many more female supporters than it would appear. What is your view on that?
Thanks for coming out btw
It was the journalist that got me roused, his suggestion that only paid women would take interest in or support AVfM. Guess I hate people pretenting to know what women all want, especially from a middle-aged journalist based on advice he received from teenage university feminists.
I work and study fulltime so not much time for messaging. But I love what is happening here and have read every article. There’s nothing like this in the textbooks I’m reading.
I expect there are others reading and donating money without posting tho I have no idea what the ratio of male to female lurkers might be.
PS. I never thought of it as coming out, but its a pleasure to put my footprint here.
Holy fuckity fuck. Another one? Would you ladies mind settling down there with all of your epiphanies and humanness going on? It’s really starting to fuck up my entrenched, evidence-based worldview.
‘Twilight’? Is that really your name, ‘Twilight’? That is the most great name. Also, Apple. And frankly, I think Blue Ivy is pretty sweet. Riverwind.. I knew a Twinkle..
I find your comment very interesting. Welcome and a thundering high-five. And don’t sweat it, we got your back. Ha.
A thundering high five back Perseus, and its good to know you’ve got our backs especially as your avatar shows you are skilled in the art of killing monsters. Twilight not my name but I did know a Twilight at school.
PS. happy to mess up your wordview, as long as its in a good way.
Much obliged, ma’am.
I will fuck me up some gorgon.
Growth is a bitch, but it looks good on you.
You got nice hair. Is it naturally messy wavy like that?
Yes naturally messy.
How delightful
Well, what do you know. Mr Drill is good for something after all.
Drill baby Drill
That reminds me of a girl I knew in High School. You’ll laugh…
Her name (verfied by checking her drivers license) was “Bunny Delight Lemieux”
Honest to God, I laughed right in her face.
I was so mean.
We dated for a few months after that.
Her first name was appropriate.
“Do you hate women?
Are you single? Have you been divorced and been refused access to your children?”
Oooooh, that’s priceless…
I don’t think these questions are waiting for an answer, he already knows everything about us
aaand the world champion:
“How many women do you have as paid supporters of your website?”
Seriously,is this guy paid for what he’s doing?
“Do you hate women?”
Do journalists sometimes color news they are reporting by filtering facts through their own personal ineptitude?
Do journalists pick their noses, while proofreading what they write?
Do journalists ever wonder what fish will be wrapped with, or bird cages will be lined with, when all newspapers are finally bankrupt?
Do journalists know that old timers in outhouses routinely used newspapers as toilet paper, yet those old timers had a higher opinion of journalistic integrity than many intelligent men today – including this MRA?
Do I hate journalists?
No, but I despise a goodly number for their bias, prejudice, ineptitude, and outright dishonesty.
Boxers or briefs, Paul?
Inquiring minds, you know….
Hey! Don’t be biased about commando now…some of us enjoy the freedom.
Reporters are such sleazebags. I have come to realize that journalism is a myth. It’s like that old saw about the difference between science and religion: science assembles all available facts and then formulates a working theory to explain the facts. Religion formulates a premise and then cherry-picks useful facts to support the premise (no offense to the devout, and severe offense to corrupt scientists). Everyone from Hanna Rosin to Bob Woodward does it. It is the lowest form of propaganda.
Our readership is 87% female, left-leaning, etc., etc…If we spin Paul Elam this way, we sell another 300,000 copies of our rag. The facts are neither here nor there.
PS: Anything with Gary Oldman is worth watching, but to reveal a Russian agent within the US Secret Service in Act III, and not explain how he penetrated one of the most secure law enforcement agencies in the world, is just plain sloppy storytelling. Das Boot is a masterpiece of filmmaking, but I have never been much impressed with anything else Wolfgang Peterson has done.
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“How about replying to these questions ?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“C’mon, take a nibble ya dumb shit.”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“Did you encourage [name withheld] to put up the posters at Monash University?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“You’re scared now I know [name withheld] is responsible. I got leverage so play reeeal niiiice eh?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“How many women do you have as paid supporters of your website?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“None. That’s how many. Let’s see you get out of this one dick-brain.”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“Do you agree with the statement in one of the articles on the website, which says Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.’?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“Admit it. I see your name on this article. It was you wasn’t it? You said that. Go on, see for yourself. Your name is right there on the same article that I am questioning you about with your name on it.”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“Do women have an unfair advantage in the legal system?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“Readership will rise with the word ‘bitch’. C’mon, just say it one time please. Just one time.”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“Do you hate women?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“Poof/basement living/right-wing/rapey/violent/irresponsible/slack-jawed/Yankee-Doodle-Dandy/Yee Harr American. !”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Outer grub.”
“Are you single? Have you been divorced and been refused access to your children?”
* The voice of S.Droll’s “Inner grub.”
“You got anymore idiots I can talk to for readership improvement and my god just look at that journalism trophy called “Scoop da’ Scum Jock o’ the year” just waiting for me later this year I want it damn you Paul Elam I am hungry for it and just be nice and a sucker at the same time and please never make an article about our emails oh fuck I can see it on the net right now you bastard head.”
It sounds like Stephen Drill did what all media types have done when trying to get a handle on ‘those MRA dudes’. He asked the nearest feminist. To ensure that his research methods fell within the parameters of the Australian Code of Stupid and Lazy Journalism, Mr Drill corroborated the nearest feminists unbiased opinions.
Mr Drill stumbled upon the balanced and edifying articles of Tori Shepherd and Clementine Ford after googling us on his iPod on his way to work. He miraculously managed to ignore the widely-known fact they are two of the most notorious man-haters in the mediasphere. Now armed with all he needed to know about the violent extremists…um…activists in the MRM, Mr Drill attempted to entrap them with a cunning plan…
Thanks to a mysterious contact known only as Manboobz (who volunteered Deepthroat duty with unseemly enthusiasm), Mr Drill was given the e-mail address of a Texan recluse known only as, Dr Elam. Dr Elam is surrounded by his coterie of brainwashed Canadian sister-wives (yes, Ms GWW is actually chained to that kitchen table – she peels and grates and broadcasts from the same spot – and never, ever complains). They are all kept in check by the syringe-wielding Dr T (don’t let the dimples fool you).
Armed with his big pad full of tough questions, Stephen Drill is determined to topple Dr Elam’s quest for world-domination. (Name, address and work place? Sure, here’s my ATM pin number too.)
Australian journalists lead the world in laziness and stupidity. Engage only under the assumption that they will concoct the kind of sensationalized nonsense that I wrote above. It’s quite a challenge to deal with an enemy you shoud neither over-estimate, nor under-estimate.
One sick, sick fantasy, Andybob – and I mean that as warm and cordial applause.
What was the intrepid news-vulture’s name again? Stewie Swill? Stuffin’ Troll? I forget.
My one great regret is that there are no articles from Andybob in the library of great literature we have. But I don’t want to be whiny. I am happy that you are on the list of “must stop and read” comments, every time you post.
Second that, would love to see a longer article by Andybob if there is something he’s passionate about.
I’ve been reading here for 2 yrs and Andybob’s are the first I scan for in threads. He has a trifecta of writing gifts; highly articulate, knowledgeable, with a delightful eye for humour and irony.
Oh, pffft. I’ve seen better.
Andybob turned me gay, and I only know him as his scrubs avatar. Go figure.. powerful stuff.
Anyway, what are ya doin’ Friday?
Been saying that for months now.
And I don’t mind being whiny about it.
Pleeeeaassseee??!!
Agree with that Paul. While there are many great writers on AVFM, I would love to see an article from Ab.
No way. Andybob is great and all, but I am top dog, and Dr F is number two. I know this because we have talked about it in the past, and I was louder than Dr F.
But, I’m feeling magnanimous today…so sure, if Andy wants to post…I’ll let him.
Ahem, one minor correction, AndyBob. I have an acute needle phobia. Three words: Red. Pill. Suppository.
And I’ve gotta big one for Mr Drill. One guess as to where he can stick it.
Is it made of latex Dr T? Because some people have an allergy….
No, it’s made of all natural Red Pill goodness.
You can’t make a pill out of Truth. It’s gotta be something else…
Thanks Paul your experience in dealing with these idiots is legendary and an example to us when we face similar situations.
Now to draft my email to drills@heraldsun.com.au to give him a few references on the topic of domestic violence.
My email
Hi Stephen,
I write as a supporter of the MRM. Nobody had to pay me to support a cause I hold dear (I actually find your statement sexist and demeaning). I have been researching and documenting the ills of feminism for a long time (long before Paul set up a Voice for Men). You might start with the education system and the bias in it. Perhaps you might like to look at the real DV stats (available if you look at data from the courts and the ABS).
A look at the family court system and the injustices there perhaps? (the anguish of some and suicide of one of my male colleagues due to their treatment and loss of contact with children by this court is appalling).
A look at the white ribbon campaign and the brainwashing and propaganda being inflicted on young boys (primary school) would be useful. (in one case I know of young boys were told they must take the pledge so the didn’t turn out like their adult male relatives (including their father) and bash the female members of their families like all men did they were told.
You can ignore this and toe the feminist propaganda line, or do some research and take the scales from your eyes.
Regards
Bev
“WEEEEeee journalism is easy, I am making daddy so proud. Why,I hardly have to make any effort at all! I will be an ACA thug in no time!”
I only wish that PC culture didn’t destroy True Journo’s ability to write hard, persuasive out-moded ideas. Making room for piss-ants like Stephen Drill to drift into analogues of success. I wonder how he feels about his career thus far? HAH!
Excellent replies and well played, Sir.
Question is, if we don’t come across as an even more intriguing ‘catch’ for any journalist who wants to cover this issue.
Keep denying to play their little games, until you’re in complete control of everything that is being refered in any article or interview, be it about the MRA or yourself.
I’m pretty sure it will only be a matter of time before someone rises to it, as long as the posters keeps getting up.
If you have to feed the sharks, you might as well feed them the Red Pill strychnine, that no amount of trigger warnings can reduce the impact of.
One question for Drill:
- do you remember the last time you said “NO, this is wrong!” to a woman?
Funny how these hacks always want to do the “interview” via phone. No paper trails don-cha-know….
TMOTS
I’m hardly surprised. This is the sort of reason I avoid mainstream media. But well-handled and entertaining too.
We aim to please.
I just love the fact he was so pissed off he actually mentioned the Air Force One crack.
Anyone even remotely unsympathetic to feminism, or this guy’s ranting ‘journalism’, is SURE to check us out after reading that.
I know I would.
Would love to see the whole article as all I can see on the Herald’s website is a few lines.
It also appears that there are no comments, nothing like a little censorship to keep the lie rolling huh?
I thought Mr. drill was writing the piece why does courtney crane’s appear with his?
I see her name first and his second. I thought to myself well it does stand to reason being that it is alphabetical order.
Lets look at a another article Ms cane has penned.
“A law meant to protect battered women is being abused by brutal men”
Right off the hop the article insinuates that men are brutal. Nothing like being objective in reporting, (sarcasm) you know reporting the facts in an unbiased manner.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/violent-men-exploit-womens-defence-law/story-fn7x8me2-1226267240612
In this article her name appears after a mr geoff wilkinson,, hmm so much for my alphabetical order theory.
Theory #2 ms crane is there to ensure mr drill’s reigns are held taunt to prevent any real journalism from going on. You know keep the blinders on so the reader can only see what ms. cane wants them to see.
Referring back to that article about men using the defense of being in fear of their life, I am left wondering so it is alright for a woman to use this defense but not a man?
A man can never be in fear of a woman. Last time I checked, and I admit I am no doctor, but wouldn’t a knife wound to the chest in either sex produce the same result?
You know like a sucking chest wound, or possible aortic rupture in a man or a woman. How about something a little higher up like say the jugular vein?
How stupid of me of course a woman would never have the ability or the intention to inflict such a wound on a man.
Just a little misandric and discriminatory there don’t you think?
Ooops I know I am insinuating that they might actually use that stuff located in their skull instead of just banging that old femmie drum of man bad and woman good.
Your interpretation of mr drill’s pointed questions was spot on Paul. The interview was never meant to be objective or honest about anything.
You were right to watch Airforce One instead of wasting more than a couple of minutes on their queries.
P.S. do you ms cane still eat children for breakfast? most probable answer no, next question What made you stop?
See ms cane if you are reading this we too can set up pointed questions just like you.
COPY of email I sent to Mr. Drill to help him get his bearings on the movement he, like all other corporation-sponsored journalists, have been unfairly deprived of learning about:
To: Stephen Drill:
drills@heraldsun.com.au
To understand what A Voice for Men is for and what it does it is well to become familiar with the early history of the MRM.
The first formal men’s rights organization (dedicated specifically to the legal rights of males) was founded in 1926 by Sigurd Hoeberth in Austria (with international reach). He published the first newsletter in the world devoted to men’s rights activism. The first one in the US was founded by Bessie Cooley (and soon absorbed into a larger group) and started as an anti-alimony group. Men’s rights organizations also sprang up in Tibet and England.
Hoeberth: http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/07/worlds-first-mens-rights-organization.html
Cooley: http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/08/militant-wife-launches-war-against.html
England: http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/05/early-mens-rights-organization-england.html
Tibet: http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/05/early-mens-rights-organization-tibet.html
All through the 20th century men’s rights has attracted prominent women: legislators, judges, writers. SEE: “A Woman’s Voice” : http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/06/womans-voice.html
This factual historical information is unavailable in the universities and is unknown to all public servants.
Robert St. Estephe
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”
The feminists and their supporters aren’t laughing anymore, they are starting to get up and fight, which is one step closer to us winnning.
As expected, fair and balanced journalism prevails.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/website-that-supports-rapists-branded-disgusting/story-fnat7jnn-1226457731237
Every time I see an attempt to defame the MRM like that, I think: “Yay! More publicity!”
Not to long ago someone at the escapist told me I was a violent misogynist and I sounded just like this site.
I can’t thank him enough.
“The website, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, …”
Very wise. Wouldn’t want the readership fact-checking the author’s exposé and forming their own conclusions based on the actual realities, or anything so subversively damaging to their credibility as that.
++++
OT: Incidentally, Paul, Something happened briefly to a couple of my posting edits here late yesterday (marked as “spam”?!). Hope I didn’t mess something up.
LOL, except the stupid fucker printed my name. We are already getting a traffic spike on that article.
No, you didn’t. Sometimes the spam filter seems to have a mind of its own.
The spambots were created by man. They rebelled. They evolved. And they have a plan….
ROFL.
World domination?
Oh, my, we’re screwed..
Ahh, the price of fame. Or is it infamy? Hardly seems fair that, despite their very best efforts, they can’t seem to spread propaganda without exposing themselves to fact-checking. The world of journalism is such a cruel and thankless one for the poor struggling Pulitzer aspirants. We really must try to be more helpful at every opportunity.
Good. No problem. All’s well.
The Pulitzer price is a scourge to modern society, and should be abolished immediately.
Immoral and dishonest journalists and news reporters have constructed a wide variety of lies so far, and have even started wars in their hunt for that useless price.
Mass graves in Croatia and Bosnia, anyone?
What?! Shame on you, Kimski. You don’t believe that journalism’s true objective, as Pulitzer himself declared, is to “expose all fraud and sham, fight all public evils and abuses, and to battle for the people with earnest sincerity.” Next you’ll be telling us that the Easter Bunny isn’t real.
@Arvy:
I’m sorry to have to be the one who informs you, but it isn’t, and the same goes for Santa Claus and the integrity of any media today.
Want proof??
Follow the money.
@Kimski – Not again, thanks. Been down that path a few times already and it led me into dark swamps so deep that I’m still struggling to regain some semblance of rational existence on semi-solid ground.
I thought for a while that I might find some refuge in exploring some military aspects, until I read A.J. Bacevich’s New American Militarism wherein he discusses that perspective on feminism and its underlying motivations.
Please leave me the tooth fairy at least.
The value of a Pulitzer can in my view be summed up with one name: Walter Duranty. (Google it.)
Done, although I don’t see why you want to keep those?
Tooth faries are nasty little critters from a nightmarish folklore, that actually feeds on teeth, and not at all what our parents presented them to be.
Dammit, Kimski. Must you destroy all of my childish myths?! Does this mean that good fairies weren’t actually responsible for all the coins that appeared magically under my pillow while I slept? It’s very disheartening. I may have to go back to believing in journalistic integrity after all.
Can’t help wondering if our dear friend, Mr. Drill, is doing any on-site follow-up and would like an interview with a very naive subject. Hi Stevie!
Who is this “journalist” trying to kid?
AVfM was sooo easy to find in a simple web search that it’s ludicrous to think using only your name in that article would block anyone from finding it.
I did a “Bing” search on “Paul Elam.” The first thing that came up was your avatar and a link to Facebook. The 2nd thing in the “Bing” search was all the info and links to AVfM.
Paul, have I told you that I love you lately?
I can only read the first paragraph and then there is prompt to register/login. However, I am able to access other articles without doing so? Has anyone else encountered this?
Yup. Think it’s possible that they might be attempting to limit the embarrassment potential of their own stupidity?
I think it is a way to make money from online media, I’ve seen this pattern of letting there be free access to news only a few days after the original publicaiton.
Of course we could question the integrity of the news source because of course they are being [gasp] paid for it!
Dr T, I saw the article at 4pm (Australian time) today and I took a screen shot ~ as it was in my cache when I went to re look at it it had that logon stuff, not sure if Paul did one…
I saved as a word Doc and I think my better Half (yes Stu) has the copy…so if you would like to read the crap that was written, just let us know…
Kazzi
Secretary ~ and offical coffee maker of the Oz Chapter (hubby likes the coffee maker part only lol)
Thanks, Kazzi! Dr Canning sent a copy yesterday afternoon, too. This Drill fellow takes yellow journalism to a whole other level.
“Journalists” like Drill are the main reason I don’t follow traditional news outlets anymore. That Clem woman (think that’s her name) actually stated in her recent article that she came to AVoiceformen to CHERRY-PICK quotes for her article. Does she not get that as a journalist, that’s supposed to be a no-no?
What a bunch of manure pedalers.
She probably has no idea and like most of these journo’s dont bother to state the whole article.. just pick out a few lines, join them together…but people who come to this great site will see how falsely everything has been reported by them… and the truth will prevail. The tide is turning and I am loving it.
P.S Glad u got the copy from Dr Canning.. we are all on the ball now.
the full version is here for anyone who has not yet seen it http://m.news.com.au/VIC/pg/0/fi1745771.htm
To bypass the pay wall google the article title “Website that supports rapists branded ‘disgusting’”. Click the link for free propaganda.
There are no comments open. These should be sent as letters to the editor
or to
Andrew Bolt, bolta@heraldsun.com.au, who seems increasingly pissed off with feminist cries of “misogynist” and sexism.
“…But no one was more vicious than our resident feminist ideologue, Jill Singer, who likened Mr Abbott [the conservative opposition leader] to a terrorist … and a paedophile. His “tender appreciation of female chastity”, she said, “would sit happily alongside that of … Osama bin Laden”.
“If I ran this paper [Herald Sun] I’d sack Singer for so foul and dishonest a piece of vilification”
from “Column – Lying about Abbott”
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_lying_about_abbott/
I would keep Andrew Bolt out of the MRM, remember the mainstream media are our bitch and always will be.
Don’t be so naive.
Any evidence to back up that fucking ridiculous, blithering, bedwetting bullshit statement about being naive? Crystal ball gazing or cock chaffing?
I’ve provided a direct quote from Bolt calling for his own publication’s feminist ideologue to be sacked. He is hated by Emily’s List and PM Gillard in particular.
He is also rated the most powerful political commentator in Australian media. Bolt’s blog is the most-read political blog in the land with 275,000 unique browsers a month. His newspaper column is read by a million readers daily. He has his own radio & TV show.
Putting up posters is fine. I will help. However, any fuckwit would realise it won’t get critical momentum without cultivating the awareness & support of people like Bolt.
Whoa Mr. Beale, seems like you are getting a bit head up there fella.
Might do some damage to the ring-gear if you are not careful.. Suck in that sphincter and accept the fact that you may not get everyone agreeing with you.
And that’s okay ya know!
Not sure if you are aware or have not worked it out yet, but the media and its players, are not that highly thought of here.
And I don’t think any of them could be trusted, even if they say they have swallowed the red pill.
Ahh, so it was one Courtney Crane who had looked at feminist websites to get an idea what questions to ask. Not surprising that there was a little hiding under a woman’s skirt going on here. “Good boy” — pat, pat, pat.
I looks that the divorce / child access question is becoming a standard one with “journalists.” If the answer is affirmative the automatic dismissive summation of the target of the “journalist” is: “Don’t pay attention. This is an embittered person so we don’t need to look at the content, facts, arguments on their merit.”
Funny, I thought Paul Elam has already many times taken “the opportunity to explain himself” for any person who is not too lazy to do a little research on the subject they are, sorta, in a way, kinda, writing about.
“As expected, fair and balanced journalism prevails.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/website-that-supports-rapists-branded-disgusting/story-fnat7jnn-1226457731237 ”
Absolutely no honor whatsoever.
I see nothing about all the false accusations of rape.
If this kind of journalism were offered as testimony in a court of law it would be guilty of perjury for neglecting to tell “the whole truth.”
“Witch-Hunting Males,” innocent males – not rapists, is further institutionalized by feminist-boot-licking, scab journalism.
At least the paper has worth as a rag for wiping the vomit its readers experience from all the feminist distortions and lies. :-/
Herald Sun headline, “Website that supports rapists branded ‘disgusting’”
Herald Sun – a herring run of fishy news from the demented world of addled feminist cognizance.
Damned pay walls. Someone send me the text.
Oh, whats up Doc.
This is the main stream media classic. I’d rather sit in a crate with the Tasmanian Devil than be interview by these M’er F’er.
Notice Paul the refusal to mention AVFM website.
Great work gentlemen. Be aware, they WILL try to bait you, make no mistake. Document everything, post it online here.
The misandric succubi and incubuses of Australia are getting worked into a frenzy. Respect, Paul.
Personally, I would not give ANY answers to ANY form of media without a pre-signed little contract saying that the answers/interview will only be read, published, or played in their entirety.
Michael Moore did that one time on CNN one tie. It was a genius move. CNN had to play the unedited video of Moore chewing out Wolf Blitzer and turning his questions back on him. It’s irrelevant what one thinks of Michael Moore; the strategy was smart and effective. He didn’t allow himself to be manipulated by the editing process.
Which is why they’ll almost never agree to any such stipulation. I’m surprised that even a “big name” like Moore managed it. It would have to be agreed at the topmost network level. They must have been really desparate for that interview.
No argument from me as far as what the media wants. But, in my opinion, way better to not say anything than let the media slaughter you. Call their bluff…if they won’t agree it, just don’t do it.
Understood. But the media (and perhaps more importantly their sponsorship) exercise such vast influence over public perceptions that it’s almost impossible to avoid them entirely if one hopes to get out a contervailing message at all.
That’s not to dispute in any way your cautionary advice. Be damned careful and, by all means, get them to agree to whatever interviewee protection measures they may be willing to accept.
I agree with everything you have written and my philosophy/attitude is fark the media. They’re pathetic. They put the most moronic crap on trying to fill the 24 news cycle.
Stay on the offensive. Hit and run. Men are the creative ones, the one with ingenuity and strong spirits. As Paglia said (correctly), “If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts.” Neither women nor glacially reacting major media has any prayer in keeping up with men.
We just have to believe in ourselves. We have all the tools and talent within us. We have to stop being distracted and brought back down to the mud. Free men use their unique gift for powerful abstract thinking and imagination. We create worlds. That separates us from animals and women (minus the rare minority of women).
Why are we all acting like Clark Kent 24/7 instead of admitting what we really are.
Yooo-Hooooo! Mr. Drill? Are you reading?
PayING (was “paid” a Freudian slip, perchance?) female supporter and subscriber here. And oh, look! It’s Friday again; must be time for my weekly contribution. I’m off now, to click on that red button at the top right corner of this page!
Suz, you do know we are being mind-controlled?!?! Its those red pills again….
We women who support the MRM are of course under the spell of Mr Elam
*bats eyelashes* I’m not ashamed to admit Mr. Elam has that effect on me. Giggle giggle.
Be aware that they’re not even conscious of their own bias. In the USA journalists think everyone must share their worldview, especially the worldview of upper east side Manhattan/NYC. They provide validation for a certian audience.
They don’t think they’re biased at all, but rather providing information they think people want to hear, said in a way they’ll want to listen to it.
Fox News has turned ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN upside down. I’ve also noticed PBS/ NPR has gotten more balanced since their government funding was threatened from a few revealing scandals. You can’t depend on one source for news. Everyone has an obvious agenda now.
I’ve noticed it too, Keyster. My husband listens to NPR occasionally; the bias is still there, but they actually acknowledge that an opposing viewpoint exists.
Mr Drill has used typical feminist rhetorical tactics and not addressed the question raised by the posters
“Domestic Violence : Women are half the problem”
I even emailed him 2 easy to read references as a primer on the topic. Guess he realised there was not an argument to be had there.
So what to do? Personally attack Paul and Frank and the followers of this web site by diverting to the more emotionally charged feminist trump card of rape, and call us all rape apologists , and to seal the deal get the agreement of a couple of high profile poster girl feminist. Illogical and intellectually dishonest, but thats modern day “journalism”
http://m.news.com.au/VIC/pg/0/fi1745771.htm
Love that bit about it being “so hard for women and children to report rape.” Says a lot, I think, about how they actually see themselves, or perhaps just about how they want to be seen when convenient.
Is that the whole article? A couple out of place quotes, some wild speculation, an accusation that we are cowards, Frank James Spencer is a godless atheist Paul Elam was kinda rude and women’s groups don’t like it? That’s a story?
And to think, I once wanted to be a journalist when i grew up.
exact same version appeared in the print copy of Saturdays Herald Sun on page 10
As a frequent reader of the HeraldSun, I can tell you that is dripping with feminist ideology on every 2nd page. Female murderers and child abusers are treated very sympathetically, whereas a male who so much as makes a sexual advance to a woman is treated as a rapist. They also regularly promote the myth of the wage gap, demand affirmative action in the workplace, extol the virtues of single moms and cheerlead for girlpower at every opportunity while ignoring the plight of disadvantaged men and boys.
Psssh.. I thought this was going to be a tough interview he should have asked; So, Paul… how long have you been beating your wife?
that’s REAL journalism!
Well played, Paul. You handled that Drill idiot.
‘Air Force One is on television right now. I have seen it four times but it is a really good movie’….
Now that is a quote that will go down in AVFM memories. Thankyou for giving me a good laugh Sir Paul
Kazzi
Secretary Australian Chapter (lol)
‘Air Force One is on television right now. I have seen it four times but it is a really good movie’….
@ Paul:
If he calls back may I suggest that you use the same sentence format, but say you’re watching “Shattered Glass” for the fourth time.
Would it be going too far to say to him, “I was just thinking of you?”
“Shattered Glass” is a movie about a “journalist” who writes “factually challenged” stories for “the inflight magazine of Air Force One.”
So my little blonde piece of fluff has a title. It’s all down hill for me now. Just the other day she asked me if I wanted a coffee and when I said yes, she told me to make her one while I was getting it. Me…….make the coffee!!
Do you guys realize what sort of 25th wave radical man hating feminist monster I’m forced to put up with now?
Geez
My son’s friend just had the same story! After working all day, he came and and mowed the lawn and did yard work while Girlfriend was on the couch watching TV. When he came in she asked “You wanna sandwich”?
“Sure, that would be nice” !
“Make me one while your’e at it”.
He told her to pack it up and get out…”and take your ugly dog with you.”
Richmond furious as newspaper ‘bullies’ injured player Polak into interview
Ben Doherty | The Age | August 22, 2008
INJURED Richmond footballer Graham Polak — still recovering from being hit by a tram in June and unlikely to play football again — is caught in the middle of an angry stand-off between his club and a major Melbourne newspaper.
Richmond is furious at what it has described as the “gutter journalism” of the Sunday Herald Sun, which sent a reporter to Polak’s house on Wednesday and “bullied” him into an interview.
The club threatened to hold a press conference with Polak today to scupper the paper’s exclusive, but that was withdrawn because of doctors’ advice that Polak was not ready to participate in interviews.
On Wednesday, Richmond claims, Sunday Herald Sun reporter Stephen Drill arrived unannounced at Polak’s house, asking for an interview.
After being refused, Drill left but returned several hours later with a photographer dressed in Richmond club clothing.
The club says Polak “felt extremely pressured, confused and uncomfortable” and agreed to an interview under duress.
He was said to be upset and stressed and has told club officials he was confused and remembers nothing of what he said.
Despite making good progress, Polak has not returned to full brain function after being struck by a tram on Dandenong Road hours after the club’s centenary celebration match against Carlton on June 28.
His girlfriend, Alyce Oksuz, who arrived home on Wednesday as the interview was finishing, said she initially thought the photographer and reporter were from the club’s website because the photographer was dressed in Richmond gear.
Richmond has demanded that the Sunday Herald Sun pull the story, and club officials, Polak’s manager Paul Connors and Polak are meeting newspaper representatives today. “We just hope that common sense prevails and they don’t run the story,” Connors said last night.
The club has also threatened to boycott the paper, in scenes reminiscent of last year’s stand-off between Channel Seven and AFL players over the leaked medical records affair.
There could also be a broader boycott of the newspaper by Richmond players, players in Connor’s management stable, which includes stars Chris Judd and Jimmy Bartel, or even AFL players generally.
Chief executive of the AFL Players Association Brendan Gale said media organisations had been told Polak could not give interviews, and that Melbourne’s “football media” deserved credit for respecting that.
“But here, we’re talking about repeated intrusions, we’re talking about arriving unannounced at his home,” he said. “We’re not talking about a bloke who’s broken a law or failed to meet community standards. We’re talking about a bloke with a serious brain injury, a bloke that is extremely vulnerable, and a bloke whose representatives have told the media ad infinitum that he’s not in a position to be conducting interviews. In that context, it’s extremely disappointing.”
Richmond said Drill was told that Polak was unable to grant interviews. Neither Sunday Herald Sun editor Simon Pristel nor Stephen Drill returned calls from The Age yesterday.
Nice to see he is such a responsible and ethical journalist (not)
Yep and I am gonna keep digging….untill I have enough data to write the unauthorized biography of this scum sucking parasite.
In the meantime watch this youtube video of Stephen Drill at work.
Dear Karma, I want to apologise to you on behalf of all people with a decent sense of humour.
I just realised the cultural reference to Frank Spencer…Mr Drill is clearly not versed in his British comedy.
Caught that, too, Helen. And here Mr Drill thinks he’s outed Karma.
I knew it was karma when I read my Frank James Spencer.
Peter Parker
That’s ok…..just don’t do it again…:)
It didn’t look like work to me. All he did way lay there on the grass.
I can’t read the story on the Herald Sun website. My adblock keeps blocking it. Oh well… No biggie.
That was awesome Paul! Thank you very much, I needed a good laugh right about now.
“Do you hate women?”
I don’t hate women in the same way that radical feminists “don’t hate men”.
Or
I have a wife, a mother, countless female relatives and a lovely daughter, of course I don’t hate women. And before you call “bullshit” (or “Humbug”, I assume you can’t print “Bullshit” on your rag) I will remind you that this is pretty much what the leader of Radfem Hub said when asked If she hates men by the SPLC.
I got a sneak preview of your rant lensman. Fucking epic! Absolutely brilliant. 10,000 thumbs up. Listen for it on Dr. F tonight folks.
I saw a mind-boggling, horrible site the other day. I saw what very much appeared to be a man raping kittens while punching a disabled boy in the face. He was also, simultaneously, shouting out anti-Aborigine epithets.
The man doing this appeared to be Stephen Drill. It was dusk, so I can’t be certain. But, it’s now Stephen Drill’s job to clear the air on this and prove it wasn’t him.
STORY IN FULL: (Herald Sun – attempting to incite violence against Frank James Spencer).
Website urges men to support rapists August 25, 2012 12:00AM View as multiple pages
A MAN who is littering the city with posters promoting a website that encourages men to support rapists has declined the opportunity to explain himself.
The website, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, is campaigning to get men sitting on juries for rape trials to “vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true”.
The group says the campaign is necessary because it claims women lie about being raped and men are unfairly treated in the courts.
Women’s rights campaigners questioned whether the group’s members had the courage to make the same statements to women in person.
Posters promoting the website have been posted at Monash and Deakin universities and around Melbourne’s law courts precinct.
Frank James Spencer, who has been putting up the posters around Melbourne, told the Herald Sun he became involved with the website as an extension of the “atheist” movement but declined to answer further questions.
The website claims women hate porn because they cannot compete with a “porn actress who has a beautiful face, a perfect body”.
The website’s publisher, Paul Elam, told the Herald Sun he was too busy watching the movie Air Force One to be interviewed, but later said by email he stood by the campaign.
He did not hate women but they had an unfair advantage.
“Only when they are in court for anything,” he said.
Women’s rights campaigner Melinda Tankard Reist said the website did not represent the majority of men’s views.
Jess Boccia, of women’s group Reclaim the Night, said the website was disgusting “especially when it’s so hard for women and children to report rape”.
– Courtney Crane, Stephen Drill
‘Women’s rights campaigner Melinda Tankard Reist said the website did not represent the majority of men’s views.’
LOL.
It never seizes to amaze me, how much “in touch” with men’s inner thoughts and feelings these feminist apparently think they are.
She takes the opinions of a bunch of pussy beggars and white knights and turns them into the majority, while completely disregarding the possibility that most men don’t want to discuss these things, because they prefer peace and quiet above all else, and that the ones who disagrees with her might have an agenda with keeping quiet about it.
If men actually started to stand up for their rights, and started saying what they think, there’d be hell to pay from the missus and every woman in her vicinity, too.
Noone wants to listen to that crap for very long, so most of the time it’s better to just shrug your shoulders, and let them have their way.
Maybe even turn on the TV, to see if there’s sports on any of the channels.
Maybe even turn on theTV, to see if there’s sports on any of the channels.
Someone who gets it unlike others who have chastised me for watching the occasional sporting event on TV.
Really sorry to disappoint you there, Scatmaster.
I have never watched a single game or sports event on TV in my entire life, and I don’t plan on changing that in the future.
Life’s too short to waste my time watching other people have fun. I much prefer doing those things myself.
Not what I was inferring Kimski.
I have been known to turn on the occasional sporting event to get away from the incessant dribble spewing about in the abode. Just have a pet peeve about been chastised for it. It is my escape and others (not yourself) have almost become psychotic in their shaming of me for doing so. I come here to get away from that.
I was commenting that you recognized that some people may do that to escape without the “shaming” and “chastising” by some of the so called MRA’s floating around the digital sphere. Anyone who shames an MRA to me is not a friend of the MRM. Now I am off to watch Marcus Ambrose a Tasmanian try to win a car race. It will be first time I have sat down to “escape” (in my own way) in a week.
Yep, that’s right. It seems these are the same women which argue against penis-in-vagina pornography, but also argue that male degradation pornography is really good and positive, and it is great that men are tortured and degraded. Great, they argue, because it is good for both men and women. They argue that men want to submit to women, and this should be the way of the future and it is good for men and women. Pornography has now gone away from sex and turned into men getting tortured by women and licking womens boots.
Who are these white knights, manginas, and poodle boys who like this stuff? Who the hell are you? There are plenty of misandrist women who encourage this. But clearly there are obviously some poodle boys out there.
These women argue, like misandrist feminism, it is good for women AND men. I’ve had enough of all these misandrists, both the misandrist men and the misandrist women.
Now, I’m going out to do what so many of these people hate, I’m going out to have normal sex and oral sex with a woman. The same sort which leads to the procreation of our species. The same sort which so many of these people find so offensive. But somehow depicting the torturing of men and boys by women is not offensive to these people, and indeed encouraged.
Since the Herald Sun seems so interested in this, you would think they would have been interested in the radical hub story. Especially since they were sent screen shots of their conversations, as well as load of info including who these people were. But no, they weren’t interested. Perhaps we should package the story again, and send it to Mr Drill, and of course republish it here with all the details he has been provided with. Then the people that come here from his stories about us, can see what he is ignoring.
‘littering the city with posters’. well how interesting that the posters have been posted in the Melbourne area that covers all the way from Portsea, Frankston to Little River, out to Craigieburn, Epping even to Sunbury etc… I dont think so.- Oh Frank, you have been busy haven’t you… lol Gees this reporter really needs to get his dam facts straight… I wish we really could enlighten this poor misguided fellow on the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth… so help him (whom ever)
At this time of the night ~ just official coffee maker
The piece of shit Drill wrote his slanderous article. It is even more vile than any of us thought. Take a pepto before you read it. It is the most hate-filled vile feminist filth that I have read in my 43 years of life.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/website-that-supports-rapists-branded-disgusting/story-fnat7jnn-1226457731237
My feelings are with you. But as a student of propaganda I would have to say that the article is precisely what should be expected. This is an infowar and the opposition is highly trained in Psy-ops. Know your enemy (professional cultural marxists) and you will never get ambushed.
We must not allow ourselves to be surprised at forthcoming attacks. The opposition’s goal is “the complete transformation of society” (through establishing a complete authoritarian surveillance state). They are professionals with clear methods and long-term goals, not just hysterical spewers.
How do I claim to know this. I hung out with the (highly educated, organized, funded and intelligent) opposition for over 15 years.
I’d be very intersted in your own assessment of how well a fact-based refutation, such as yours, can work in response to that psy-ops infowar.
Courtney Crane and Stephen Drill have published a rambling and dishonest condemnation of MRM demands for gender neutral treatment of domestic violence (including protection for battered men). The deceptive and misleading article “website that supports rapists branded disgusting” appeared today in the Australian daily “Herald Sun”:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/website-that-supports-rapists-branded-disgusting/story-fnat7jnn-1226457731237
The article is almost unreadable. It contorts both facts and the English language to avoid an honest discussion of MRM demands for equality. Instead, it attempts to deliver below the belt personal attacks on Paul Elam and MRAs in general.
The grotesque onslaught on intellectual honesty is a response to posters that read (in their entirety): “Domestic violence: women are half the problem.”
It is easy to unearth the author’s true agenda.
A google check demonstrates that both writers were involved in the “defensive homicide” judicial leniency campaign for battered women. However, when battered MEN invoked the same law, the authors wrote two outraged articles calling for the law to be re-written to exclude male defendants:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/violent-men-exploit-womens-defence-law/story-fn7x8me2-1226267240612
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/growing-calls-for-defensive-homicide-review/story-fn7x8me2-1226269060175
Direct quotes from the articles (which read like school girl temper tantrums):
* “A law intended to shield battered women from murder convictions has been hijacked by violent, often drug-crazed men.”
* “Defensive homicide, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, compared to life for murder, applies to someone who claims to have killed in self-defence without a reasonable basis for that belief.”
* “The problem with the law has nothing to do with it being too complex. It’s because we turn these violent men into victims in the court room”.
Oddly, the dishonest duo do not even mention domestic violence in their article about the MRM domestic violence poster campaign (the article contains zero occurrences of the term). Instead, they attack the MRM using tired defamatory stereotypes and then retreat into “fortress rape”. The logic appears to be, since some men rape some women, men as a class deserve to be battered and beaten by women. Here are some slanderous quotes which mis-attribute MRM demands and motivations:
1) MRAs pretend to care about male victims of domestic violence so that they can rape more women: “The group says the campaign is necessary because it claims women lie about being raped and men are unfairly treated in the courts.”
2) MRAs are cowards who are afraid of women: “Women’s rights campaigners questioned whether the group’s members had the courage to make the same statements to women in person.”
3) MRA posters are garbage and the MRM is a rape cartel: “A man who is littering the city with posters promoting a website that encourages men to support rapists has declined the opportunity to explain himself.”
4) MRAs are all neck-beards who cannot get dates and just beat off all the time: “The website claims women hate porn because they cannot compete with a porn actress who has a beautiful face, a perfect body”.
5) The domestic violence posters are part of a massive rape campaign: “Jess Boccia, of women’s group Reclaim the Night, said the website was disgusting ‘especially when it’s so hard for women and children to report rape’.”
If this is what passes for journalistic integrity at the Herald Sun, then Australia has one too many newsgroups.
Nice work Antz!!!!
Ditto that! Way to go Antz!
NEW poster design, specific to the Melbourne, Australia area now posted on The Unknown history of MISANDRY:
http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/08/poster-clip-art.html
Anybody serious about posting who wants me to reformat (PDF, JPEG, etc.) or alter any of the poster designs can leave a comment with the request on UHoM and I will submit the new file to AVfM.
Very nice, I like it.
I found this postering episode and the results so inspiring that yesterday I purchased a pile of A4 adhesive paper (large stickers) and last night printed out 100 assorted posters for circulation today in southeast Queensland. I plan to hit men’s public restrooms – ie. the dunny cubicles and also the hand-washing areas. Its one of the only private places left to males in this world.
Had better get busy, its a beautiful day for joining the ‘wallpaper the world’ movement.
“Its one of the only private places left to males in this world.” — for the time being. But there are plans afoot to change this “socially unjust” situation.
Except those darned “disgraceful” poster-hangers are going to much up the carefully made social engineering plans.
Absolutely unjust. Feminist overseers are required on an urgent basis to ensure that men sit down to pee.
Courtney Crane and Stephen Drill,
Another example of the Herald Sun’s feminist biased reporting. They cherry pick one statement from a whole article
.And as far as supporting rapists the issue is that women lie about rape and get innocent men jailed
As an example A man was arrested at an airports had his reputation wrecked only to be found in court that the accuser being the maid was found to be an untruthful witness who gave ‘irreconcilable accounts of what happened’.
I find it interesting that the Herald Sun in the past has publish a story about Kim a 17 year old girl having sex with a well known AFL identity and claiming that she was pregnant. Later Kim admitted to making the whole thing up.
Men will not enter into a useless argument with women on this lack of equality. It has not gotten men anywhere for the last 40 years.
Men will rather weigh up the good and the bad to make their decisions.
So you won’t have a man making statements to women in person but rather you will have women making statements like:
men won’t commit to a relationship anymore.
Or
where are the real confident men that want to have sex with a women!
Or my favorite
where are all the nice men that want to start a family and commit to one women.
Oh that cannot be true because women are perfect according to the Herald Sun.
Men are becoming aware and taking the Rose colored glasses off that the media has created
lolol why even question something like that? What are “women” going to do if we did say that to them in person? (keep in mind that feminists are our enemy, not “women”)
and are they suggesting that these “women” are going to become violent, and assault us?
Re-dug this up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDrUvw2rFKI
Angry Harry linked today to:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/herald-sun-interviews-paul-elam/
Became:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/website-that-supports-rapists-branded-disgusting/story-fnat7jnn-1226457731237
Similar enough BS done to Glenn Sacks earlier:
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/2009/11/09/slatecom-saloncom-criticize-the-fatherhood-movement-part-iv/
Bernard Goldberg’s “Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News”
Progressive Worldview Bleeds:
Philip W. Cook
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/success-and-risk-as-the-times-transforms.html?_r=3&smid=tw-share
The Times Shot back at its own departing Editor: See this link:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/ny-times-public-editor-progressive-worldview-bleeds-133188.html
…
Meanwhile, the credibility ratings for all major news outlets show a decline:
http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/16/further-decline-in-credibility-ratings-for-most-news-organizations/