Another Reminder on Comments

During my recent vacation I was not on line often enough to monitor comments as well as I normally like to.  And today I had the following comment from Redpill on the 11th of this month  brought to my attention.  It is something I missed while overseas:

Women are the natural enemies of men. No matter what anyone says and how good women claim to be, that is just the truth. This will never stop and men will continue under the tyranny of women. I should have known that things would come to this. Like I said in the comment section on another post, these women have no regard for human life whatsoever, they murder innocent babies through abortion, phsyically, sexually, and emotional abuse they’re own children or even other children who are close to them and come into contact with them, and abuse and betray their husbands and men altogether. Men die in wars, have practically erected society altogether, and have made contributions to society to make everything better for the human race, and yet have no right to be with their children or even exhibit their own natural manhood and be themselves, and are constantly disrespected. We are called rapists, abusers, bullies, and even homophobes because we don’t embrace the faggots biologically backward, queer-ass culture. Yet again men are constantly discriminated against in the media and society altogether. I am so fucking tired of this shit, that I really wouldn’t mind shooting a bitch dead in the face. We can’t even defend ourselves without getting arrested, attacked, or even murdered, our children are still being tortured, and babies are still being murdered, because these bitches say that its “their bodies, their choice”. They are evil. ALL OF THEM!!! Man was created in Gods image and Woman was created in Satans image. This will never stop until us men rectify the situation and we can never have families, never go anywhere without anyone being suspicious, and jobs are taken from us and given to women, because they want the fucking equality of being fucking slaves! This is a gender war, and women, ALL WOMEN! are the enemies, there is no compromising. I never asked to be born into bondage and I am forced to deal with it, Fuck that!

No Redpill, fuck this kind of post.  It has been sent to the trash where it belongs, and I am willing to do the same with your username if you ever post this kind of garbage to my website again.

Look, once again, here’s the deal- for the tiny fraction of you that need to hear it. I don’t give a rats ass what feminists think about me, the MRM or this website.  In fact, as long as they are hating on all three I feel secure in the fact that me, the other writers and readers who comment are doing their jobs. The haters should hate us.

I don’t care what feminists try to use against us, or whether what is posted here offends mainstream sensibilities.  Mainstream sensibilities are about as cogent as the sensibilities you find in a crack house, so they are on my don’t give a shit list as well.

I have satirized violence several times, and it has of course been taken out of context and even drawn criticism from MRA’s and sympathizers.  I am fine with that, too.  If people don’t recognize satire or humor then let ‘em stew.

So it should be clear that there is a lot of latitude here for both writers and those who comment.

But the bottom line is that I am vehemently against violence.  So if you make reference to it, and your intent is satire or humor, it needs to be crystal clear that this is the intent.

When I read comments like the above, though, they, and if need be the one who made the comment, are going bye-bye.

I don’t even mind the shit about men being made in the image of God and women being made in the image of Satan.  It’s straight up stupid, but at least it is non violent. so I am not going to make a fuss over it or other res ipsa loquitur postings.

Why this stance? Because I say so.  It is the one area I am calling the trump card of ownership and leaving it at that.

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  • Tasha

    @WD–

    An afterthought really, but if you’re looking for some science regarding the biology of homosexuality, this is a good link to an interesting study about how the brains of straight women and gay men are similar to one another, and dissimilar to gay women and straight men (who both share similar structures with each other).

    There are also links for further reading.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403

    I’m not trying to move goal posts or push my agenda, Im a bit of a science nerd and think these thinks are interesting, wanted to share them, if you have anything interesting that runs counter to this and would like to share, I’d love to read it.

  • Eoghan

    Well I just don’t get it WD. The guy next door is an accountant who goes on bird watching trips 3 times a year, his lifestyle choice is not for me and like you I do have a right to say I that I disagree with his lifestyle, but there is little point in my giving it much thought or energy.

    I also think, and this is slightly off topic that there is value in transcending the politically correct dividing of people into groups along the various lines and feel that when we do it too, we are feeding and in a way conforming to their ideology.

  • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

    @ Snark,

    Yes it does. Thought the content has made a slight shift (anti government) it appears to be going along unscathed, and retains that MRA principles and goals.

    I am out of the loop, so I have no info on this, but it appears the demise of MND was greatly over stated.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com Denis

    “Speaking of the demise of MND, it appears to still exist”

    @Snark, if that’s what you want to call it, but it’s not worth visiting anymore.

  • Whitney Dodman

    @Tasha

    Thanks for the link and thank you for your opinion. Will read.

  • Snark

    “@Snark, if that’s what you want to call it, but it’s not worth visiting anymore.”

    I haven’t visited in some time but I still see that it is being updated on other people’s blogrolls, etc.

  • http://fatalplanet.blogspot.com/ Theodore Labadie

    For crying out loud, not another reference to insignificant similarities between the brains of women and gay men in a thinly veiled attempt to show that homosexuals are feminized men. Where are all the studies to show how similar the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men are? Why are bisexuals never included in these studies?

    ***

    I remember Red Pill’s original comment, and later, him musing in Peter’s ban post that perhaps he should remove himself from the MRM before he does harm. I hope he doesn’t do that, because I want to hear what he has to say. Even when he’s railing against “biologically backward, queer-ass culture.” Homosexuality can’t be seen as biologically backward unless you’re a Creationist who believes that homosexuality is not part of God’s plan–as if an omnipotent Creator of a universe over 13 billion years old with more stars in it than there are grains of sand on this planet could possibly care what men do with their dicks. Why is it never possible that evolution is God’s tool for creation? Homosexuality is quite common in social animals as diverse as giraffes, dolphins, some ape species, etc. Nature recycles a lot of behaviors for secondary purposes and so sex in complex animals has a lot more uses than simple procreation.

    Still, a gay man can possibly ensure the survival of the genes he caries in an intact culture via kinship selection–by working to ensure the survival of children related to him who carry some of his genes. However, now that feminism has demolished the family and extended family this is no longer possible. Gays are only now genetic dead ends not because of their nature, but because of feminism.

    I do agree with many criticisms of mainstream gay culture, however, and there are many gays (largely silent because they’ll be shouted down) who share this view. Mainstream gay culture is vapid, solipsistic, and has allowed sex to be completely co-opted by consumer anti-culture in order to coerce homosexuals into buying more and more useless product, squandering our human birthright and promoting soulessness, so gay culture can do nothing but remain silent on the freedom of men, in general. It’s also used as a tool by feminism to drive a wedge between men over issues of no importance like gay marriage and to promote a new standard of masculinity designed to harness men completely to the interests of women and corporations. (For the record, I’m not anti-corporation, but I believe society should be run by a brotherhood of free individuals and not harnessed for the benefit of an oligarchy.)

    But I’m not just interested in how homophobia affects gay men but also straight men. I point out Peter’s earlier comment on young British men throwing off the traditional proscriptions against public displays of affection between men. This is not a “gayification” of straight men but men beginning to reclaim acknowledgment of the beauty of men and their worthiness of love and affection that does not have women as its center.

    Here is a section from one of the oldest poems in the Anglo-Saxon canon, almost 1000 years old, The Wanderer:


    Then sorrow and sleep
    both together
    often tie up
    the wretched solitary one.
    He thinks in his mind
    that he embraces and kisses
    his lord,
    and on his knees lays
    his hands and his head
    ,
    Just as, at times, before,
    in days gone by,
    he enjoyed the gift-seat (throne).
    Then the friendless man
    wakes up again,
    He sees before him
    fallow waves
    Sea birds bathe,
    preening their feathers,
    Frost and snow fall,
    mixed with hail.

    True enough, the bolded text is reminiscent of rituals of fealty but it is also at the same time evidence of a tender physical expression of love between two men without any sexual subtext. Modern men in the anglosphere have zero opportunities to express this kind of affection without their sexuality coming into question by feminists and pro-feminist men and where gay and straight men meet there is always the assumption of “conversion.” Why? Because this type of affection is power and feminists will fight to the death to make sure you
    never have it.

  • Eoghan

    Sorry Theodore, I thumbed you down instead of up.

  • Carlos

    I understand where Paul is coming from and respect both his right to make the rules and the rule itself, but I totally understand where Redpill is coming from too.

    It’s not always easy to make the distinction between women and feminists. Feminists themselves do their best to blur the line between the two with their constant claims of being the true representatives of ALL women. Not to mention their stranglehold on politicians. It also doesn’t help that, certain exceptional women like Tasha aside, most women are blissfully ignorant of the hatred that is promoted in their name as they enjoy the ever increasing privileges of being women and call men who criticize feminists misogynists or whiners.

    I’m a white Hispanic and I’d be lying if I said my ethnicity has not helped me from time to time… and also hurt me — same with my skin color. What I resent though is the idea that someone might look at my accomplishments and attribute any part of them to affirmative action, white or male “privilege” (I was actually often embarrassed as a boy for being so white looking in urban America amongst my mostly non-white peers.)

    It amazes me that more women don’t feel the same way. Every time I look at a successful woman I can’t help but think she might not be there if not for the pussy pass. Not that I don’t think women are capable, but I’ve seen them get preferential treatment far too many times to believe that they haven’t been helped tremendously by their sex. Adding insult to injury they often claim that they have succeeded “in spite of sexist efforts to oppress them…” as if almost every large organization doesn’t bend over backwards trying to find and promote capable women to insulate themselves from false claims of discrimination for women’s lack of interest in hard work, hard sciences or the sacrifices necessary to make it to the top. How can it not bother more women that people look at them and wonder if their achievements are the results of AA or fucking their way to the top?

    One of the goals of the MRM needs to be informing men like Redpill that feminists don’t represent women and are bringing us all down. For my part I believe that once the majority of women see post-modern feminism for what it is they will reject it as the hate movement it is.

  • http://fatalplanet.blogspot.com/ Theodore Labadie

    On that note, I have to wonder if the wave of self-mutilation afflicting women isn’t the fault of feminism forcing women to accept lifestyles and career paths that are completely contrary to their nature. I suspect so.

  • Tasha

    Ok Theodore, then by all means, don’t read it. I never said it was the end all be all of research or theory, didn’t even say I endorsed it necessarily, just that it was interesting.

    Everybody calm down now, it’s only a link ;)

  • Tasha

    @Carlos–

    “How can it not bother more women that people look at them and wonder if their achievements are the results of AA or fucking their way to the top?”

    It does bother me. It used to bother me a lot more. Then I realized that I was spending wayyyy too much energy giving a shit.

    I dislike AA. I resent the fact that I have been given things because I’m a woman. I hope that I am where I am today because I’ve succeeded on my merit and performance, not on the fact that I’m a woman.

    But, in the end, to the people sleazy enough to wonder if I fucked my way here, I say keep wondering, I’m not going to play into it or waste any more of my time on your bullshit. I’m not out to prove I can do anything a man can do, or that I can “have it all”, having it all seems exhausting and unfulfilling, I have what I want for the most part and don’t feel like I’m settling.

  • http://fatalplanet.blogspot.com/ Theodore Labadie

    I’ve likely read it already.

    And I am calm. Please note that my comment had no invective or inflammatory rhetoric of any kind and no ALL CAPS.

    When you have struggled for nearly 30 years to be accepted as a man and watched the men around you wither away from loneliness and isolation and the pervasive notion that their sexuality makes them pigs, watched their families stolen from them or even the ability to begin a family, then maybe you can gain the right to tell men to calm down.

  • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

    @ Theodore

    On that note, I have to wonder if the wave of self-mutilation afflicting women isn’t the fault of feminism forcing women to accept lifestyles and career paths that are completely contrary to their nature. I suspect so.

    I suspect that your suspicion is correct. Consider this scene from American Beauty, the most misunderstood masterpiece in movie history. And note that in the storyline, her arch competitor is a man, whom she later ends up fucking behind her husbands back.

  • Tasha

    @Theodore–

    “I’ve likely read it already.”
    Ok

    “And I am calm. Please note that my comment had no invective or inflammatory rhetoric of any kind and no ALL CAPS.”

    Noted and agreed.

    “When you have struggled for nearly 30 years to be accepted as a man and watched the men around you wither away from loneliness and isolation and the pervasive notion that their sexuality makes them pigs, watched their families stolen from them or even the ability to begin a family, then maybe you can gain the right to tell men to calm down.”

    Agreed. I don’t have any experience as a man. I only have the experience of being a woman who has, in my lifetime (and continue to) love men..both individually and as a group.
    I find it reprehensible that a man who explores his sexuality, finds satisfaction in being a sexual entity, ‘samples from the buffet’ or otherwise has fun with and embraces sex, is viewed as a pig or a dog or a sleaze…especially when women who engage in the exact same behaviors are hailed as sexually aware and comfortable with her sexuality and all manner of other positive labels. It’s insanity.

    When I said calm down, I wasn’t meaning calm down about the issues, Theodore. I meant that it’s only a link. It itself it has no power. If you or anyone else finds it terrible, then please, label it such and if you want to have an exchange discussing why its terrible, then I’d love to join in and hear you out. If you’d rather ignore it, thats great too. I only thought some people might find it interesting…a description that carries no endorsement of it whatsoever.

    I don’t, however, think it’s okay to infer that I’m anti men, or anti gay men or anti sexual men of any orientation when that’s not what I am or claimed to be — especially given my previous posts on this thread re homosexuality and sexuality in general.

    So, bottom line, no Im not a man, but that does not mean I am not cognizant of and sympathetic to the plight of men…if I was, I’d be a feminist.

  • http://fatalplanet.blogspot.com/ Theodore Labadie

    Flawless. And scripted by a gay man. Ima go out and see if I can find a used copy. Like, right now.

  • Mickey T

    If I could just but in with my take on the subject of this discussion (redpill’s violence references) , I’d like t to point out there are many accurately expressed truths in the comment. Truths which may indicate experience.

    None of us here know what pain and horrors the man and his family might have been, and is going through at the hands of women. And he has every “right” (as in MRA) to express his opinion (violence after warning excluded) without being called a drug tripper or whatever.

    I’ve read much of what he has written, and athough I don’t agree with some of what he has expressed (as I do with all people here) in his comments, I generally see him as a logical, perceptive and articulate contributor. I focus more on the man, rather than the lifestyle, whatever that may be. Obviously, the guys here are more than capable of reacting with effective rebuttal.

    I see some pretty shabby treatment of redpill here, which, to me, seems some men only help a brother in need when he agrees with their politics.

    Pity a comment with merit has to be scraped for one sentence. I’m sure he gets the message loud and clear, and he will act accordingly.

  • Eoghan

    I view Spacey’s character in American Beauty as an mra, Great movie.

  • http://www.vcclan.org/forums/view.php?pg=someni_index&styleid=29 Wayne

    “Theodore Labadie asks –as if an omnipotent Creator of a universe over 13 billion years old with more stars in it than there are grains of sand on this planet could possibly care what men do with their dicks. Why is it never possible that evolution is God’s tool for creation?”

    Some have faith that carbon-dating is an accurate theory of measurement. Some don’t. I’m sold on that theory as much as I am on the man-made global warming theory. Some people do in fact believe that evolution is God’s tool for creation. Some don’t. Evolution presents modern man as an improving animal whereas creationism presents modern man as a degenerating descendant of a perfect man. I don’t believe that evolution and creation are compatible with each other. Many would disagree with my personal view. Thank goodness it’s still legal to have a personal view. I suspect it won’t remain that way for too much longer should that ‘degeneration’ or ‘evolution’ continue on its current path.

  • http://fatalplanet.blogspot.com/ Theodore Labadie

    You can also measure the age of the universe by the speed of light and the distance to the furthest celestial objects. In any case, your personal view is yours. I might argue against it but I will fight for your right to have it.

  • keith

    @ Theodore

    It may smack of fealty, but there is much more that is sublime. I have a six year old son who is autistic (because he is I am and so is his older brother by choice)
    My younger son whenever I would come home would greet me by kneeling with his face to the floor fully prostrate and he would not get up until I touched him. He started doing this shortly after he started to walk. I never knew why, I just assumed he saw something in me or himself that compelled him. I started doing the same thing to him whenever he came home and I was there. He would come to me and place his hand on my head and I would rise and we would embrace each other. He never ceases to amaze me with what I have come to believe is the expression of his own divinity. Its very moving, like being around a six year old adept. When he finishes with his sublimation rituals he is just a regular kid.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com Denis

    @Mickey, I think RedPill is high on god and his arguments have no merit. “All women re the enemy” is just baseless stereotyping. Many women on this site and elsewhere have proven that false. NAWALT.

    Red Pill or Blue Pill, both require accepting beliefs and ideology, rather than independant thought.

  • Mickey T

    May I respectfully request to the management, that he request to commenters that they refrain from voting up/down to a comment which they already obviously agree/disagree with by their own comment. As this skews the overall picture of the number of approvals/disapprovals of their peers.

    It’s like voting on your own comment.

    I could be wrong, but that’s just my way of looking at it.

  • keith

    As far as women mutilating themselves and I refer to dieting and the like, I believe it is an attempt to rule by sympathy. “I’m not worthy” “somebody make me worthy” to which I can only say your not worthy!

    Re Redpill: I think he’s pissed and hasn’t sorted out his feelings yet so he can’t express them definitively, but he will. Regarding violence, I have survived it, I don’t condone it. I don’t need to survive it again.

    Regarding brain size and sexuality. Yes. You can’t have one without the other.
    If shrinking a man’s brain makes him gay does shrinking a woman’s brain make her a feminist.

  • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

    Sorry, Mickey, but they would not pay attention to me on that one anyway. And I can’t very well put out a comment vote feature and then tell people they can’t use it if they also make a comment.

    Too much of an impossible nightmare to manage something like that.

  • B. R. Merrick

    Gosh. So many comments about one tiny sentence in Redpill’s rant: Is it biological or learned? Does God approve or not, or does God even exist? Should gays ask for acceptance or expect it? Should we tolerate the rantings and ravings of men who are deeply hurt? What should we do with traditionalists and their “outdated” values?

    I have no answers here. What I do know is that I would be perfectly happy to sit down to dinner with Tasha, !!Sparta!!, Paul, Theodore, Whitney, Wayne, Redpill, Peter, Denis, and just about everybody else. I’ll make as much room as I can. If you don’t like me for whatever reason, go sit on the other side of the table. Peace and love. And pass the casserole, please.

    :)

  • Eoghan

    Mickey T

    I did jump right in there and was critical. My own position is this, I see the vocal minority of people that speak like that on mens rights forums as a threat to the movement. I view us as a political movement or political party, if members of our party as talking like that, they will be used to suppress the legitimate issues. Death threats, religion and homophobia have little to do with the mens rights movement as I see it.

  • Whitney Dodman

    @B. R. Merrick

    Praise the lord and pass the gravy! That is exactly what I was trying to say!! I’ll cook some Pissaladiere. It’s my new favourite dish!

    @Eoghan

    You need to find Jesus. Soo judgemental! What other rules would you like to lay down for the rest of us?

  • http://www.vcclan.org/forums/view.php?pg=someni_index&styleid=29 Wayne

    “B. R. Merrick said: I have no answers here. What I do know is that I would be perfectly happy to sit down to dinner with Tasha, !!Sparta!!, Paul, Theodore, Whitney, Wayne, Redpill, Peter, Denis, and just about everybody else. I’ll make as much room as I can. If you don’t like me for whatever reason, go sit on the other side of the table. Peace and love. And pass the casserole, please.”

    I bags Tasha does the dishes :p

  • http://avoiceformen.com Paul Elam

    @ Keith

    As far as women mutilating themselves and I refer to dieting and the like, I believe it is an attempt to rule by sympathy. “I’m not worthy” “somebody make me worthy” to which I can only say your not worthy!

    Yet more grist for the article mill. Between going under the knife, emaciating diets, diet drugs, eating disorders, shoes and clothing that are literally damaging to the body, etc., there is something FUCKED UP about women and their attempts at a worthy enough self and public image.

    I am not so sure it is an attempt at sympathy as much as it is power. On the other hand, where it concerns women, one is generally associated with the other.

  • keith

    @ Paul

    “I am not so sure it is an attempt at sympathy as much as it is power.”

    absolutely it’s about power, the best power to possess is the power that surrounds and encompasses. political power. men for the most part rely on personal power. women rely on everyone elses. which I personally refer to as the slut-hero faction or hero-slut, its interchangeable I think you might known them as white knights. In fact I’m mostly surrounded by people that broker power this way. It’s the whole equation of third party communication. She said he said they said we said your a piece of shit. otherwise known as the “everyone agrees that I am the victim here” cause I told them so. Sympathy is power. Didn’t you know that all I am is a head sitting on a chair with two fingers graphed to my skull reaching in absolute pain at the keyboard, while each keystroke requires me to mash my face into the seat of the chair. Feel any sympathy yet. No! Well then there’s the paper clip that some thoughtless asshole left behind that sticks in my eye every time my skull rocks back and forth. How bout now? No? That’s just cause I’m a man, no wait it’s cause your a man, no wait its cause I’m a vegtable, no wait its cause your vegetarian, no wait its because I’m being objectified as a vegtable, no wait its because I look fat in this chair. no wait it’s fucking hypnotic rhetoric.

  • Eoghan

    Whitney Dodman

    I know I’m judgmental about it. I’d respond the same way to anyone mixing islamism, buddism, white supremacy, christian fundamentalism or any other unconnected ideology in with mens rights issues, or anyone that thinks that the mens movement is a safe space to engage in violent threats. We have fathers rights interests in our movement, the interests of abuse victims and a great many other important issues, I guess what irks me is the slopism of one person thinking that its ok to discredit the whole movement like that.

    I know there is a certain amount of

  • Whitney Dodman

    I agree with the threat issue. Anything that can sound like a threat or cause somebody else to go postal should not be allowed.

  • Whitney Dodman

    And it look as though you hit the submit button a little too

  • Whitney Dodman

    soon :)

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/ Denis

    “cause somebody else to go postal”

    WTF? Blaming others? How about just personal responsibility?

  • Tasha

    @ Wayne–

    “I bags Tasha does the dishes :p”

    Ok…paper plates all around ;)

    (I’d actually rather bartend for you lot…THAT would either be nightmarish or hillarious)

  • !!SPARTA!!

    Dunno about that…
    We’re MEN
    and alcohol makes us like REALLY VIOLENT TOWARD WOMEN
    sure you’d chance that?

  • Mickey T

    @ Eoghan

    “jump right in………..”??

    Sometimes things are not that simple. I see him as ally who needs a little time and friendship. Or better yet, a brother in distress who needs our help.

    Not that we don’t need rules, and if we ever organize enough we will have stated rules. But for the moment we should forgive him for not being aware of, and not abiding by your rules.

    How do we know the man is not talking some medication his Dr perscribed because of what some evil woman did to him? Don’t some men come here for help and GUIDANCE??

    Simplistically, counterpoint and warning would have sufficed.

    I must say, in my opinion, it was a inconsiderate and thoughtless remark. Not only that, JUST LOOK AT THE UP VOTES.

    What political party?? I’ve been trying to encourage men in these groups to organize and put political pressure on their lagislatures for a long time, but I’m basically stonewalled. If you have the time, go back to the MGTRW discussion, and take note of the reception I got there.

    Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate your explanation.

  • http://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com Denis

    @Mickey, votes are meaningless and can be manipulated.

    I’d be satisfied if Redpill recognized the fault in violent thoughts and agreed to the that one and only rule. Otherwise, as you know, everything is on the table for discussion.

    I’m not about to take the Redpill and join the christian army to save unborn babies.
    That’s why welfare and child support is so generous to baby-mamas.

  • Whitney Dodman

    @Denis

    “WTF? Blaming others? How about just personal responsibility?”

    What I mean is that Paul could be personally liable if OPs or comments on this site were linked to a violent act. I’m all for personal accountability and responsibility, but this site has to cover its collective butt as well.

  • Jonathan Mann

    Thats a terrible shame that Redpill feels so much hatred right now and I hope he gets help. While I feel empathetic towards his anger, however, I think we MRAs should never condone violence against anyone simply because of their sex or sexual orientation. In the end I’m glad Paul removed Redpill’s comment.

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